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BevL
01-23-2001, 10:53 AM
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A couple of you know the nature of my work; Larry, you do. Maybe a couple of others.
Here is my problem.
I am trying to come up with a background colour that will work with my next two subjects (which is the pet parrot, painted for the enjoyment of parrot keepers).
They will be two separate paintings, however a lot of people have both of these birds- the male and the female, and might want to have both pieces. The female of this species is a cool red. It also has a lot of blue/violet.
The male is a bright green however, with a little bright red (warm red) and a bright blue. I want to paint them so that anyone who displays both peices will have something that compliments each other. (this is my reason for most of my bluish/grey backgrounds in my previous work- most people have more than one species and collect more than one piece of work).
Where should I go with a background for these two birds that have such completely different colours of feathers, and still let allow them to be a matched pair?
I figured that rather than have to paint out a background colour of my own chosing (y'all know I'm not very experienced with colour), that I'd ask your opinion first. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/wink.gif
I suppose I could just leave the background white, but I'd really like something more than that. Don't suggest foliage. I am painting the pet parrot, not the wild parrot. Although foliage would be the perfect answer and solve all my background problems! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif
Bev, (who is trying to grasp this colour thing). ~sigh~

Roan
01-23-2001, 11:13 AM
Bev,

Just a thought and please bear in mind that this is a horrible image -- the painting is much better than this looks. It's one of my older ones.

Anyhow, when I this portrait of my two collies in 1999 I had the same type of problem. Kahless, the white collie, is very warm-colored around the head and Gaelan, the tri, is very cool-colored. I didn't want to lose either of them into the background, so I did it "two-toned":

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My idea is to do two different backgrounds, but gradient them out into the other background. Does that make sense? I have prussian blue behind Kahless and burnt umbers behind Gaelan -- they sorta meet and overlap each other and could work as two separate paintings. Dunno if this would work for you and I'm sure you could handle it much better than I did.

Just an idea :P

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LarrySeiler
01-23-2001, 11:31 AM
I'm in between classes for the moment, and don't have a great deal of time to reflect more and advise, but quickly a thought....

You really can't go wrong with a neutral background. For example, he grays behind the green parrot would work with the red as well.

The grey takes on a sense of the bird's complimentaries because our eyes cast that onto it, and being neutral simply works with every color. You have a choice of warming up the grey or having it cool, and since the idea is one's affections for these birds, I would vote in favor of a warmer neutral grey.

The kind of grey I'm speaking of is not mixed with black and white, but opposites/complimentaries...plus a bit of white to tint and make opaque.

For example fool around with variations of blues and oranges, which in theory are opposites of the RYB color wheel. Mix them so that neither the blue nor orange can really be seen or sensed. That means each color has done its part to effectively neutralize the other. Then..to get a cool variation, you add a bit more blue. To get the warm variation, you add a bit more orange. Add white to bring to the desired value or tint.

The same could be done of green and red, or yellow and purple. However...I would use blue and orange to experiment with this and I don't have time to go into a whole lot why right now. Perhaps someone else might be able to expound. Gotta run....!!

Larry

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arlene
01-23-2001, 01:29 PM
beige or taupe

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Roan
01-23-2001, 01:40 PM
Originally posted by BevL:
THanks, Roan!
This is certainly a beautiful image! You really have a good idea for a background here.
For me, it is all those colours that parrots have that confuse me. One bird can have everything from blue and green and red and orange and yellow. When I start thinking of backgrounds I just get lost!
Gosh, if only I had paid more attention in school! All those boring colour charts! I would give my eye-teeth to have those assignments again!
Thanks!
Bev http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

Heh :P

I suck at backgrounds, as anyone will attest to, so you're in good company :P



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BevL
01-23-2001, 01:58 PM
Arlene
I actually did use a taupe for the painting of the greencheek conures (birds that are green with yellow, maroon, royal blue and dark brown). It ended up being one of the paintings that people seem drawn to. I don't know why it worked, but it did. I get a lot of comments about that particular painting and two of those I sold was to people who don't have this species. They just liked it, I guess. Heck, i'm not going to complain! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/wink.gif

LarrySeiler
01-23-2001, 09:01 PM
A taupe will be close to that neutral grey with a slight warm hint to it I was talkin about. We just be speakin diffwent languages iz all...

Larry

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BevL
01-24-2001, 12:13 AM
LOL!
S'okay Larry. You could disappear for a week, as it would take me that long just to decifer what you told me here. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/wink.gif
I'm going to print it out so I can look at it and play around with the colours you suggested BEFORE I put it on my board.
Thanks, my friend!

Bev

BevL
01-24-2001, 12:17 AM
THanks, Roan!
This is certainly a beautiful image! You really have a good idea for a background here.
For me, it is all those colours that parrots have that confuse me. One bird can have everything from blue and green and red and orange and yellow. When I start thinking of backgrounds I just get lost!
Gosh, if only I had paid more attention in school! All those boring colour charts! I would give my eye-teeth to have those assignments again!
Thanks!
Bev http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

arlene
01-24-2001, 01:35 AM
Originally posted by lseiler:
A taupe will be close to that neutral grey with a slight warm hint to it I was talkin about. We just be speakin diffwent languages iz all...

Larry



hey larry,
youse gots ta learn to say it wid less woids.

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LarrySeiler
01-24-2001, 08:13 AM
Can't help it Arlene....its that educator in me. "Taupe" was easy, cures the symptoms...but I'm trying to get minds to think the color wheel...the process of mixing thru. Get those mental gears workin'. It's hard at first, but it eventually leads to greater freedom and license for the artist...and that cures the disease. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Gotta admit though....we work good together!
LOOKIN' GOOD TOO !!!! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/wink.gif

Larry

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pixelscapes
01-24-2001, 03:11 PM
This might sound a little trite but... what's wrong with a sky / sky blue background? I know it's a pet bird but it might be next to the window.

I'm not talking about a cartoon sky with 1950s wallpaper clouds, I mean just like a chunk of real sky, perhaps no clouds, just a gradient.

If you're planning to depict the whole bird (head to tail) then they have to be perched on something or other, also... you could have each perch on a branch. I mean a branch without foliage -- the kind that people use in parrot cages.

If you wanted to tie the two separate together a little more you could paint it in such a way that they're clearly sitting on the /same/ branch, and it passes through one painting and on to the next one as a continuation. Something other than a branch would work for that continuation effect too, like say, maybe they're perched on the handle or edge of a basket for example.

If you were going to paint a bird in a more natural setting, I would say maybe the branch is from a hibiscus or something -- there's leaves on her side of the branch, and some red flowers on his side. That way each has red and green as a contrast/balance, and there's still the clean blue background. But. You're not painting a wild bird, so forget I said that. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

Just a thought. I love Eclectus.

-=- Jen "Eclectic" de la Cruz
http://www.Pixelscapes.com and http://www.BewareOfArt.com

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BevL
01-24-2001, 03:35 PM
Hmmm. Jen, you see, it's like this. I used to use a blue background. Sorta a blue/grey one with it lighter around the bird. But then, I came here for help and Larry mentioned that the blue is cold, therefore keeping the viewer out of the painting. Blue was so easy, yes. But, I trust Larry to know what he's talkin about, so we tossed the blue in favour of warmer backgrounds. Right Larry? http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/wink.gif
However, your idea of the basket handle is brilliant! Oooh, that excites me! And to continue a branch or basket handle from on to the other is a wonderful idea! Many pet bird people use big baskets as a portable perch, so it makes perfect sense!

I wish I wasn't so stubborn about using foliage. I mean, it would be so much easier for me to set the bird amongst brances and leaves and flowers! But, every other avian artist paints the 'wild bird', and I hadda be different. Of course, if I could paint like Richard Sloan, I would sure as heck be painting leaves! I just want to offer something a little different than what the others are doing.
I also offer my work to help with raising funds for avain causes, as do some other avian artists. But where they focus on avian disease research and conservation of the rainforests, I am wanting to help the pet bird (such as sanctuaries/rescue organizations). Therefore is one of the reasons I keep my art geared to the pet bird.
Um, is it possible to warm up a blue?
Yes, eclectus are wonderful! These two particular birds shown above are amazingly docile! Aboo is the male, Ruby is the female. These are the only two I've ever seen in person, and I don't think there is a more beautiful parrot!
Bev http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

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pixelscapes
01-24-2001, 03:46 PM
I was bored at work so I did a sketch to show what I meant about a continuation across both pics. But by the time I got here to post it, it's clear you already have the right idea. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

Here it is anyway:

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Anyway, I know what you mean about everybody painting wild birds. If you want to make things really visually interesting for the basket idea, have it be a basket of fruit or yarn or... bird toys, or something?

I'm not sure if you're interested in a somewhat more complex background, but... you could also paint them on either side of a windowsill (indoors) or sitting on the back of a Windsor chair, or the edge of a drawer, or climbing the curtains vertically... you know, the kinds of situations parrots usually manage to get themselves into. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

-=- Jen "The Eclectic Slide" de la Cruz

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LarrySeiler
01-24-2001, 08:50 PM
But, I
trust Larry to know what he's talkin about, so we tossed the blue in favour of warmer
backgrounds. Right Larry?

Well...Bev...hee hee hee....I'll let you guys decide if I know what I'm talking about. I'm pretty confident, but that's besides the point.

Blue skies have their place....or, where would landscapists and wildlife artists doing full scenes be afterall? However, where you are doing mostly a vignette...subject being limited, a blue background plays a key and major role in color psychology.

Cool colors are isolating...distancing...sometimes depressing, repelling; whereas warm colors are inviting, produce fuzzy feelings, come forward, thought provoking, joyful, etc;

If you are paying homage to one's pet, you add to the attractiveness of the piece psychologically to the patron/viewer by implimenting a warm overall color scheme.

(I know Arlene...words...words...words!) http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/eek.gif http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/wink.gif

Larry

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BevL
01-25-2001, 08:05 AM
Thanks so much Jen, for taking the time to show me this! This will be the perfect solution for any of the sexually dimorphic pairs.
I can't wait to get started!

Larry, thankyou also! Your help has been invaluable to me. And since finding WC, I am wanting to branch out (no pun intended) from birds, and do some other things. I've got a few canvases and a box of oils tucked away in numerous closets I am thinking of pulling out. My own confidence is beginning to grow. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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bruin70
01-26-2001, 03:44 AM
i don't think you should worry about the background colors. paint whatever you want, to make either a great piece, distinct from each other. don't sacrafice for the sake of the whole.

all you have to do to make them a pair is to do them the same size, on the same size canvas. that's it. that they are both colorful birds done in the same format is all anyone would need to connect the two.....{M}

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bruin70
01-26-2001, 04:19 AM
i used radically different backgrounds.

but the formating and conceptualization are the same.....{M}
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BevL
01-26-2001, 07:31 AM
That's interesting Milt. (it is Milt, isn't it?)
When I first started doing birds and asked people what they'd like best, (as far as framing, etc), I found a lot of people seemed more concerned with how it would match thier decor. These of course aren't art collectors, they are bird enthusiasts who like to collect anything to do with birds. So I tried to stay with something neutral that would suit everyone. When I used to sell my tole painted items at craft shows, so many people would fall in love with a piece, but ask "do you have this in blue?" ( I actually had a woman ask me if I'd do the same piece with brown roses for her)
It drove me crazy. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/wink.gif
So, I'm looking for what will work with pretty much all of my bird paintings, because these people do have usually more than one species, and like to display them grouped.
But personally, I do like your idea.
Thankyou!
Bev

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pixelscapes
01-26-2001, 10:39 PM
Hey again. Not highly related to your painting, but I figured as a fellow bird enthusiast, you might find this toy amusing... http://www.polly-robot.com/home.html

It's made by the same people who make that robotic dog that was the hot toy this Christmas.

I wonder if my pionus would get jealous? Probably! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

-=- Jen "Toribird" de la Cruz
http://www.Pixelscapes.com and http://www.BewareOfArt.com

BevL
01-27-2001, 10:10 AM
Jen
Oh gosh, that's hilarious! LOL
I wonder if it bites?
What kind of pionus? I don't see many around here- only a few white capped, and a couple of maxis. Gorgeous subtle colouring!

Bev