View Full Version : The Darkest Darks.

08-31-2010, 09:58 AM
Hi Everyone, I'm looking for soft pastels in really dark darks especially greens. The dark greens I have now, Schmincke, Rembrandt and even Ludwig still look too light on black paper. Does anyone know what brands have really dark greens that would be effective on black paper?

08-31-2010, 10:59 AM
I can't think of anything darker than Terry Ludwig's V100. Why not just let the paper show through if that's the color you are looking for?

Deborah Secor
08-31-2010, 11:49 AM
Check out Diane Townsend's darks (http://www.townsendpastels.com/SFDK12conts.html). Nothing beats 'em! Her 55 is the darkest green I've found.

08-31-2010, 12:22 PM
Wow Deborah, those Townsend darks look fabulous! Julie, do you have Terry's Intense Darks II? This is a fabulous set of darks also. The Greens G560 and G620 are DARK green.


Paula Ford
08-31-2010, 12:45 PM
Try Mount Vision #700. It's a really, really dark green.
The one on the left

WC Lee
08-31-2010, 01:32 PM
Mount Vision 390-393 are also dark greens


Art Spectrum D570 Phthalo Green and Sennelier 177 Black Green are quite dark too, especially the Sennelier

08-31-2010, 01:42 PM
you can also take the color you like, and smash it up with a small amt. of a black rembt. pastel, roll it and let dry. or simply cross hatch and weave some black into whatever stick of green that's closest to what you're after.

09-01-2010, 12:11 AM
Julie, I just purchased a six pack of art spectrum darkest darks, and it includes the D570 Phthalo Green mentioned by WCLee. It also has:

N550 Raw Umber
N526 Ultramarine Blue
D520 Flinders Blue Violet
D517 Flinders Red Violet
N518 Pilbara Red

They cost me AU$22.75 but I suspect that might have been old stock price. They're really good darks and of course, readily available here in Oz! It's often hard to get any US sticks without importing them and the freight can sometimes be prohibitive.


09-01-2010, 02:37 AM
Hi Julie,

I have found the Sennelier #277 and #279 to be the darkest greens that I could find in my pursuit of great darks. Good luck!

09-01-2010, 08:27 AM
Thank you all so much for all the pastel references and pictures. I'm doing a series of still life, mainly flowers. I've used dark blues over the greens, I'll try hatching over some black as well (thanks Chris!).
I think I'm going to have to get a sample of every green that everyone has mentioned here, I love getting new colours and you don't know if you like a colour till you try it do you!

09-06-2010, 12:34 PM
Hi Julie, just wondering what you ended up ordering and what the verdict is. Lots of super darks here.

In fact, after seeing Deborah's suggestion of the Townsend "Almost Blacks," I had to order a set! :lol:

One born every minute....

09-07-2010, 05:44 AM
Hi Chaus, I haven't ordered anything yet. I told myself that I've been buying to many supplies and books lately, but I think that I'm going to order the "Almost Blacks" as well.

The last few days I've been trying to decide whether to go to the IAPS convention next year, it's a long way to fly from Australia. I just registered and booked into some of the classes. I'm so excited now, I can't wait for next June to come around now!

09-07-2010, 12:02 PM
Julie, it will be good to meet you at the IAPS convention! I am going for the first time and am so excited! Mostly to meet everyone here on WetCanvas!


09-07-2010, 11:40 PM
Sara, Looking forward to meeting you too! My husband is going to be coming with me as we are going to travel on to Europe after the convention. He is going to be doing an awful lot of sightseeing on his own while I'm taking classes.

09-09-2010, 12:54 PM
Ok folks, I got my Townsend "Almost Blacks" yesterday and boy howdy, those are DARK! In fact, I can't tell what base color they are, I had to print the color guide.

I still love my Ludwig Darks II, but I'll definitely be using these if I paint a bottomless pit.

Deborah Secor
09-09-2010, 01:44 PM
I was amazed at how dark they are, too, Chuas, but they've been invaluable in so many ways. I find that because of the texture I can lay down a fat swath of the color and it will somehow both stay in place AND influence the colors I layer over the top, at least on Wallis paper. Hope you enjoy them.