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BevL
11-16-2000, 08:39 PM
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These images are taken with a digital camera, so the colour and clarity is nowhere near what the painting is.

I think I'm finished this one. I have to highlight the wooden ball a little. I hope the composition is okay. It was the only thing I could think of. Remember, this is for the pet bird people, so they will relate to the end of a playstand and the toy.
I hope I haven't messed up here with this composition, at least I can maybe paint out a branch, but puleeese don't ask me to touch the feathers again! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/wink.gif

Is this passable? Feel free to use words like 'fantastic, awesome, wonderful'.

If it's really bad, I'll do it again. Someday.

Bev http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

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animal
11-16-2000, 08:47 PM
Bevl,
This is fantastic http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif I hope you keep posting here. I especially like the details you have in the feathers and it`s feet and it`s face http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
what brushed did you use for the feathers http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

dduchene
11-16-2000, 08:50 PM
The feathers need work Bev...lol
Just kidding..I think it looks fine as is and you should pat yourself on the back and move on to your next exciting project.
Really good work Bev.

darrell

BevL
11-16-2000, 09:05 PM
Really? There's nothing I could improve upon? You mean I actually figured out a halfway decent composition all by myself? If so, it's the first time. LOL

Animal, Thankyou for your nice comments.
I used a size 2 round synthetic/sable mix Windsor and Newton brush. For every stroke on the feathers. All 2,000,000 of them. (strokes, not feathers) http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/wink.gif

Darrel, Thankyou, too! I really appreciate hearing that I didn't make too bad a job of it.
Is there a really simple way to make that toy recede a bit? Even though it is hanging from the rear branch, to me it looks like it is right up beside the closest branch. Is the end of the nearest branch maybe a little too close to the ball.
(I should shut up and accept it, huh? Might save myself a lot of grief) http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/wink.gif

Rod
11-17-2000, 04:11 AM
Great work Bev,
nice composition and beautiful feathers,
Rod.

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LarrySeiler
11-17-2000, 10:01 AM
My take on it Bev is, a painting is never "good enough"....as good enough is never enough when you dream of being best. Such being said, there is always the possibility to take one more step up that mountain path.

Sometimes though, an artist has to figure on when its best to end a piece and move on. There is no shame in a piece being what it is, and representing one's best effort. Your best piece should be always, your next one!

I did tweak a few minor changes in your image. All in all, I'd say you did a fine job, and I believe this piece shows great progress. Bev is no longer the Bev she used to be! That goes for all of us too! I always feel that the issue of contrast lays before us, and I added more contrast in suggesting light exists to assist in making your perch more 3D. I beefed up the light therefore. Same with the wooden ball.

Finally, I took a bit of the background color and darkened it a hair to use to define a bit of the feather edges on the back of the bird's head...(minor) which I think helps the edges. We want the background to look further away as goes perspective, the bird to appear closer, and a separation of those edges becomes I think a bit more necessary. I did the same just above the beak on the feathers which receive less light. Again...nothing major, just subtle things... Great job Bev!

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iyoung
11-17-2000, 11:57 AM
I never post in critiques unless I think something is wonderful. I think Bev's original painting is wonderful. The slightly flat quality of the branches and ball are what make the composition work, imho, allowing the big areas of beautifully complimentary color between background and bird to hold the stage. It looks soft and affectionate and painterly ( I do like all your choices for the emphasis and edges)and modern. The additional emphasis on lights & darks added in the later image (sorry, but only my opinion after all, Larry, and I'm frequently a minority) make the branch and toy areas of the painting compete with the bird to its detriment and it becomes a more ordinary kind of painting to my eye, more photographic, demanding rather than inviting.

Ilene

LarrySeiler
11-18-2000, 12:05 AM
iYoung- proving once again the endearing and enduring quality that art speaks to the human spirit...

Certainly, as goes the subjective nature of art, you are right...what is not to like about Bev's fine bird here as completed?

There are many kinds of art...for many kinds of people. I was critiquing this from the standpoint of it being submitted to the many wildlife art competitions and considerations of many wildlife art publishers I have dealt with. I know from experience what they look at and those they take on as artists.

I certainly don't mean to sound demeaning or as if this work carries no merit. Bev, I hope you do not detect such from my intent.
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Larry


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BevL
11-19-2000, 09:42 PM
I want to thank you all for your comments, and also for the help I received from beginning to end with this painting. I know I have learned a few things this time around that I will utilize with all my future bird paintings. You must understand that I am a beginner. I have no background in painting, other than tole painting. I have forgotten all the lessons I learned in my highschool art program in the early '70s. When it comes to composition, colour and any of the other rules of art, I really am groping around in the dark. I simply paint these birds because I love these birds. So I guess you could say I paint from the heart. These are my chosen subjects. I don't imagine my work will ever be judged by, or even seen by, the art publishers, nor will it ever enter any competitions. Not that I wouldn't like that, but I don't think my subject matter would ever draw any interest in anyone besides the bird people like myself. Although, stranger things have happened... http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/wink.gif
Larry, if it wasn't for you, this painting would not be what it is. I didn't take your words as demeaning, but I did get the slight impression I should maybe put this one on a shelf and move on. It might not be gallery material, but to the bird lovers, I think it will be a hit. I say this because it brought tears to Fannys' owners eyes, and it caused the owner of a bird just like this one to stand there dumbfounded with her hand over her mouth- in awe. These are the people I paint for. And I want to give them my very best.
I hope you won't mind if I come back with my next project. If I am ever going to become an artist, I am going to need your (that's a collective 'your') help every step of the way. Thankyou!!

LarrySeiler
11-20-2000, 11:06 AM
That's really cool, Bev! That the piece brought such emotional response from these folks! That is reward in itself.

Getting one's work published, or attention from the wildlife art market machine is not in and of itself necessary, but for some it remains a sense of a standard of excellence that many or most ascribe to in their development. In a pluralistic "all art is good" age...most any sense of attempting to raise a standard bearer meets attack, insult, and resistance. In fact, that is true in this age trying to raise any kind of standard, period, and by that....I mean even outside the world of art.

btw....that doesn't mean I approve of all the standards the market machinery has in motion, for some of it comes at the sake of sacrificing creativity and the artist's autonomy. However....I see an undeniable overall level of excellence from the demands it has placed upon the artists. I have felt that heavy taskmaster upon my own shoulders many times.

Good luck to you...and it will be fun to see what things you do in the future. Glad I could be of some help and encouragement.

Larry

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BevL
11-21-2000, 09:03 AM
Larry
I can relate very well to what you are saying! While I was working on this painting, trying to use the new ideas you gave me, I did almost lose 'Bev' at one point. I was trying too hard to paint like someone else, and do it right. And I had to take a step back and tell myself to use the ideas, but don't lose your own painting style. The desire to learn is very great, and in trying to implicate so many new ideas at once had me feeling very awkward with the brush. It was like I was beginning all over again.
But the challenge drove me onward, even though a couple of times I wanted to just give up, or scream, or something. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/wink.gif
I expect perfection from myself. There is no painting that hasn't left me feeling like it couldn't have been better, but I just didn't know how to make it better. This work was a stepping stone to hopefully better paintings from here on in. And I know there is a whole world out there for me to discover!
I intend to start to paint other subjects besides the parrots. This is just one area I am concentrating on right now. But I find myself looking at everthing- scenes we pass by while driving, the snow outside my window right now on the trees and the ice on my pond. So much beauty to be captured!
Yep. I intend to stay right here and learn as much as I can!
Maybe someday I'll have a piece I can proudly enter in some competition. You never know...

Bev

iyoung
11-21-2000, 07:57 PM
Originally posted by lseiler:

I certainly don't mean to sound demeaning or as if this work carries no merit. Bev, I hope you do not detect such from my intent.
Larry


Oh Larry, good heavens, I didn't mean that! It's just that here in Bucks County PA there's a huge wildlife art market, many galleries, and paintings made for prints, usually are tweaked up to a great degree to ensure impact when printed. I do advertising & pr for some artists & shows around here and see a lot of these originals of paintings meant for prints - they have a certain sameness because of this. I certainly didn't think you were criticizing the painting unduly. I merely wanted to point out its qualities as a painting - not just as a painting for repro.

Ilene

sassybird
11-21-2000, 08:29 PM
I am impressed.

Even more than the feathers the claws really stand out to me. They look real.

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