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BevL
11-13-2000, 11:12 PM
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Hopefully both of these post okay and not too large. I get confused when resizing, so bear with me.
If you're not already sick of seeing the many faces of Fanny the 'too, here is my most recent attempt. I have to admit I started her from scratch again. I really mucked up her feathers the last time, so here she is once again. The photos are a little grainy due to bad lighting, but you should be able to see the highlights okay. Larry, I compromised. I couldn't live with the thalo green background, so I went with a light greenish blue. More green than blue, actually. There is more space below the bird than you can see, enough room for a tail to show below the perch she will be sitting on. I want to add some kind of toy or something for interest, but am not sure how to go about it compositionally. For instance, birds play with coloured pvc chain, but the chain would hang down, leading out the bottom of the painting. I don't imagine this would be correct? Can the perch lead into the painting from the left, but end just past the right of the bird? And what could I put there to balance things out? She is a little off center, to the left.
How did she turn out this time?
(yup, it is too grainy looking. Sorry. BTW, the body feathering is far from complete)

Bev (hoping I got it right this time...)

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LarrySeiler
11-14-2000, 04:01 PM
Pretty good I'd say Bev...!!!

You know..for an exercise sometime, do a piece like this totally in black and white. Then, scan it in and mess around with Photoshop using the layers palette.

You can lay one colored transparent layer upon another, paying attention to what happens with each. With the layers...if you don't like something...just delete it which gets rid of that one layer, and do it again.

Then...with acrylics, you could literally prepare washes of transparent color and merge them as you would the final photoshop image.

The main thing here Bev..is you used the green side of this color mixture which worked I think well. I would imagine you feel better about this now than before. Least I would hope so.

I'm off to Green Bay to bring my wife, whom takes a plane in the morning to Florida...so, no immediate thoughts on the perch thing. Sorry.

Larry

animal
11-14-2000, 08:24 PM
Bevl,You re improving every time you do one of your birds. I really haven`t practiced much but I like the bird so far http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif I guess I better practice more http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif. I also looked at your website and thought your birds were really well done.What surface are you doing them on?

Larry , How would you do the black and white exercise,(would black be darks and whites be the lightest with grays in the middle? can this excercise only be done for practice of birds or other animals too?Can this excersice be done on canvas board(canvas on board??)



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BevL
11-14-2000, 09:04 PM
Hi animal
Thankyou! I really do think that each time I do another painting I have a little bit more to add to each one. Especially this one, because without Larrys' expertise I may not have ventured out of my 'comfort zone' of plain blue/grey or white backgrounds.

I use masonite board, which I coat with three coats of gesso using a sponge roller. If i am going to colour the background, I paint it on with a 1 inch brush, adding some darker mix of the colour near the outer edges. Sometimes I sand between gesso coats with a very fine sandpaper, but I have also left it without sanding. This leaves a really nice texture, that gives some 'tooth' to the surface. Not too much, though. I tried ot paint on canvas once, but it was a little too rough for me to get the high detail I wanted. Then again, I am not experienced. I know that someone who knows what they're doing can achieve very detailed work on canvas.
Yes animal- practice! When I compare my very first bird paintings to what I am now doing, there is a huge difference in my results now! It has taken me about a year to get this far, and I can only wonder what I will accomplish in another years' time.

animal
11-14-2000, 10:20 PM
Bevl,
thank you for your comments http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
I haven`t tried masonite yet but what side of it do you use? How do you do the backgrounds of your birds(gesso with colour in it??)Have you ever drawn any birds, not just painting them??

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LarrySeiler
11-15-2000, 12:36 AM
Masonite is really a nice and versatile board to work with Animal. Actually, you can do some very nice and sensitive conte crayon drawings on white gessoed masonite board. Charcoal tends to fall off easier, but there is a good binder in conte that helps it hold the board better.

Sand the masonite down...use the smooth side. Sand after several coats smooth, or texture with a tootbrush or sponge and paint on it rough.

I've heard of some adding pumice to gesso and using it for pastels. If I learn the right way that that is to be done, I might try pastels with it.

Most your big time wildlife artists have used masonite Animal. Robert Bateman on down!

Larry

LarrySeiler
11-15-2000, 12:37 AM
As far as the black and white, yes...mix your black and white together to get all sorts of grey values, with white for the brightest highlights.

Most keep it a bit lighter because the layer of glazes over it darken with each laid.

Larry