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jackiesimmonds
05-19-2010, 03:31 AM
Hi folks

I have been asked to write an article about how to create underpaintings for pastels. I would like to know how I can find threads which show how you all technically create your underpaintings (I tried the search option but it didn't help)........dry, wet, with rubbing alcohol, whatever...I know people often mention their underpaintings, but I need to know about METHOD. If you can point me to a thread which discusses this, that would be just great.

Or alternatively, please feel free to let me know inside this thread...I would be really grateful.

thanks a lot
Jackie

JPQ
05-19-2010, 04:11 AM
actually one idea what i tested and going use more aquarelle paints in aquarelle paper. i least pastels what i have works well with this way.

Mary Y
05-19-2010, 04:50 AM
Hi Jackie,
Is this any help. HEREhttp://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=600711
Mary

*Deirdre*
05-19-2010, 05:26 AM
Is this (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=477449&highlight=underpainting)the sort of info you're looking for Jackie?

Or this (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=553015)
Or this (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6166608#post6166608) one?

I cheated....searched the Learning Centre! Thanks Kat!:wink2:
Also, I've moved this to Talk as it's hopefully more about specific talk than a painting.

jackiesimmonds
05-19-2010, 06:12 AM
I LOVE WETCANVAS!!! And I love you too Deirdre! Such a wealth of info, I am chuffed to bits, thanks VERY much everyone, and all the sub-contributors in the threads too.

I cannot wait to crack on with doing the article and the paintings that I have to do to illustrate all these techniques.

ANOTHER QUESTION THO:

I did buy, when in the USA, the liquid pure pigments from Createx, which Kitty Wallis uses for her underpaintings. Do any UK members know if there is an equivalent here in the UK? I have only found inks to be as powerfully strong for colour, but even those are not the same as liquid pigment.

Jackie

jackiesimmonds
05-19-2010, 06:13 AM
thanks a LOT Mary, yes,this is very helpful.

I now seem to have two threads on this subject, which is a bit embarrassing, so if anyone wants to pursue this, do look at the other thread too, which was moved from the gallery forum!

Jackie
Moderator's note...threads now merged!

*Deirdre*
05-19-2010, 06:40 AM
Main thanks due to Kat...who found all these threads and put them in the learning centre!

More searching- on the Creatix site...UK & Ireland

SM Designs
Enfield Farm, 11 Doctor's Road
Ballymena, Co. Antrim
Northern Ireland
BT42 4HL
www.smdesigns.co.uk

Looks like an agent for the liquid pigment...

Potoma
05-19-2010, 12:30 PM
Hi Jackie,
I like to use underpaintings as well as see demos which have underpaintings. My watercolors are a simple Pelikan kit.

Here are some blog entries which do more than mention underpaintings. There are watercolor, pastel (with water or with gin or rubbing alcohol), and what I call paper towel underpainting (= Richard McKinley's Field Sketch). I've seen water soluble oils, but not blogged it. In the next few days, I'll blog acrylic under a pumice mixture.

http://bfbutler.blogspot.com/2010/03/beehive-oven.html
http://bfbutler.blogspot.com/2010/01/see-no-evil-hear-no-evil-speak-no-evil.html
http://bfbutler.blogspot.com/2009/11/pastel-underpainting.html
http://bfbutler.blogspot.com/2009/10/finishing-touches.html
http://bfbutler.blogspot.com/2009/10/occoquan-glow.html
http://bfbutler.blogspot.com/2009/10/richard-mckinleys-watercolor.html
http://bfbutler.blogspot.com/2009/10/candyland.html
http://bfbutler.blogspot.com/2009/10/richard-mckinley-pastel-underpainting.html
http://bfbutler.blogspot.com/2009/10/richard-mckinley-field-sketch.html
http://bfbutler.blogspot.com/2009/01/underpainting-with-pastel.html

I think an important consideration is how sloppy the underpainting is. Some watercolor underpaintings are almost complete paintings unto themselves. Other underpaintings are drippy and sloppy. I usually go for the latter, but the former has its place as well.

Potoma
05-19-2010, 01:53 PM
Hard to tell with the URL's truncating, but most of the bottom half is Richard McKinley's usages of underpainting.

Deborah Secor
05-19-2010, 06:18 PM
Jackie, I had a thread on this last year: UNDERPAINTING PASTEL--your techniques?? (http://wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=553015&highlight=underpaint) Lots of folks added to it--it's pages long. Hope that helps, if you hadn't found it already (I didn't click the links...).

Deborah

sundiver
05-19-2010, 09:24 PM
Here's (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86325&highlight=Underpainting) an older thread, has a lot in it, including a few posts from you, Jackie.:)

jackiesimmonds
05-20-2010, 01:33 AM
thanks so much everyone, I have enough info to keep me reading till doomsday! When will I have time to do the pics, and write the article, I wonder!