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Wayne Gaudon
09-24-2002, 12:21 PM
what is the magic of mastic varnish and black oil .. is there any reason you couldn't use a damar varnish and black oil or is there something in the mastic that reacts with the oil?

Has anyone tried?

09-24-2002, 12:27 PM

you have two options -

try it yourself .

Or go to StudioProducts and talk to Rob Howard.
He has done a great deal of research on Maroger.
Good Luck,

09-24-2002, 12:49 PM
Wayne, Over in the general forums at Ceninni there's also a discussion of a verdaccio painting Verdaccio ( Michael George) did of two little girls with maroger. It's very interesting.


09-24-2002, 01:04 PM
I know many of us would like to hear what you find out. I use a w&n medium and add stand oil for two mediums of fatter value to use in final stages of the painting or if a high gloss is desired. I have read the posts in wc on the different mediums and find it interesting. Some mediums work for some people and other people are looking for something else.

09-24-2002, 02:19 PM
Damar sets up very quickly and drags on the brush. Having used a medium containing Damar, switching to Marogers was a wonderful experience.

When you combine Mastic and Black Oil, it sets up into gel (thicktropic?). If you work it with a knife, it gets buttery and when you leave it alone will gel again. I don't know that Damar would do the same thing.

I love Marogers. It is smooth on the brush hours after you apply it - passages stay workable all day and yet are dry enough to paint over the next. A queen of mediums, and Studio Products (www.studioproducts.com) makes the best Marogers available today.

09-24-2002, 02:49 PM
W, maroger is black oil and mastic varnish! yeah you could substitute damar with the b/o, but it wouldn't be maroger and the thixotropic, buttery qualities would be lost.........L

Wayne Gaudon
09-24-2002, 03:30 PM
Thank you all for yout time and explanations.

That answers the question .. sort of seperation of soul mates .. not good for either.