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gdlantz
04-11-2010, 01:16 PM
Has anyone used Pan pastels on Velour paper? Does it work well as a underpainting? How do you apply the pan pastel onto the velour paper? I have the full set of pan pastels and am excited to try it, but I only have velour paper in my art room. Any help will be great.

Thanks
Ginger Lantz
www.artdabblers.com

Ruthie57
04-11-2010, 01:33 PM
I say, go for it and try it! I haven't a clue how/if it'll work. Let us know the outcome!

ourcassidy!
04-11-2010, 02:03 PM
I haven't tried it, but I think Robert will chime in here pretty soon, if memory serves me correctly he has tried that combo.

May find some info in the very informative, but huge file on this site about the PanPastels, Lots of stuff in there.

Pam

Colorix
04-11-2010, 04:43 PM
Pans (and any really soft stick pastel too) falls off velour. And you do not get that fluid look, as the velour grabs pigments. Might work as an underpainting, never tried that.

Here's an article I wrote on how Pans perform on different types of papers (http://pastelguild.eu/Scribbler/Pastel_Scribbler_Nov09.pdf). Page 5, so scroll down a bit. Velour is the first paper tested, marked "V".

These are all papers available in Europe, but most of them exist all over the world. The Fisher 400 paper is a sanded paper similar to Uart 400, and Wallis.

I just learned that the Clairfontaine PastelMat doesn't have cork in it (as previously said by Clairefontaine), instead it is cellulouse fibers.

Charlie

robertsloan2
04-11-2010, 07:06 PM
Velour is a funny surface. It works great with medium soft pastels and sometimes hard ones, but it can be problematic with really soft ones sometimes. Pans are softer than anything else and the velour lets go of the powder too easily. So what I'd suggest is that you try your Pans in your sketchbook.

I am not kidding. If that's what you've got around, Pan Pastels actually take on sketchbook paper. You can't put as many layers as pastelmat or sanded papers, but I've gotten some really nice effects just sketching with Pans on white sketchbook paper. Or watercolor paper.

On plain white paper like that, Pans may start looking transparent and later layers take off previous layers. I started to work with that, loading my sponge more often and using reserved whites the way I would with watercolor. Then letting the load wear off doing deep dark areas and work into medium and light areas gradually as there was less on the sponge. It's a pretty economical painting method, doesn't use much of the Pans, covers a lot of area and has its own spectacular look.

Also, areas you've just laid in a thin light application of a darker color and then adding a full load of another color over it, that can be beautiful and modify the later color a little or a lot depending on the load. I'll use that technique of loading heavily only for the deepest darks and using midtones and lights by going in after it starts naturally lightening up for the first layers on almost all my Pans paintings, because it won't fill the tooth and will give a very strong tonal layer for the start of the painting. Then I know where everything is, can make changes easily with a kneaded eraser and keep going with more colors.

Paynes Grey is a good tonal color for that, but any of the Deep Dark Shades will work.

pastel lover
04-11-2010, 08:48 PM
Hi,

I have tried pan pastel as an underpainting on velour without much luck. I didn't have any problems with it staying on the velour, but it is very blotchy & blending with the tools is out of the question. You can blend it with a hard pastel. I also had trouble getting additional layers to stick to the pan pastel, almost as if the pans had stuck the velour fibers together. This was just my experience (I only tried it once), you might have better luck.

Tanja

gdlantz
04-12-2010, 04:33 PM
Thanks for all the great advice everyone. I have been teaching myself pastels for the last few years and need all the help I can get. Since velour paper isn't cheap, and I use it for all my animal/wildlife pastel artwork, I think I will skip using velour and order some other paper like pastelmat, or Uart. Meanwhile I will try what Robert said and try the pan pastels in my sketchpad. Thanks again for all you help.
Ginger
www.artdabblers.com