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aolaranora
04-01-2010, 10:02 AM
Good morning, everybody!

How our Pat just freshly reminded to be this and a beginning of new month already and I sort of should start with our new challenge... :thumbsup:

I wanted to play with you April full's day, and let you think that I forgot or went on vacation, or something, but doesn't look our wonderful moderator will let me to do so. Therefore I better have it up and running SOON!

Still, I want to keep you wandering what it will be and make you check back on this thread often. I promise you all pictures will be here today... sometime. But now It is a time for my coffee ( I hope you had yours already!)

Stay tuned!

Pat Isaac
04-01-2010, 10:14 AM
:lol: Tatiana....I had several cups already.

Pat

aolaranora
04-01-2010, 11:57 AM
Good for you, Pat, and I still didn't have mine working like busy bee with all those pictures! :lol:

OK. Here we go!

First of all - RULES :eek:

No specific rules. :smug:

You are free to use any of posted images, resize it, modify it and do whatever you want with it so far the end result will be a your own version of OIL PASTEL painting what you will post on this very forum and this very thread.

Use your imagination and all oil pastels you have.
Use any support of your choice, do any underpainting you like, experiment, experiment, experiment!

If you feel, you may use some help, feel free ask for it.

Feel free to post your WIPS (work in progress), if you think it may benefit you.

Most importantly - have some fun!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2010/177144-duo.jpg

This one is for you, flower-lovers! Enjoy!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2010/177144-betty.jpg

This one is more for animal lovers and has some elements of landscape too. Please be careful here... This is Betty, my favorite horse. It is very personal too me! :o

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2010/177144-portrait.jpg

I know, I know!... I checked image library several times in hope to find portrait reference what I would like to practice with... I didn't have a big luck with it. Therefore, for those of you, starving to find a model, here is a one - my niece Veronika. (My favorite object for portrature, BTW!)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2010/177144-koi.jpg

And after all for those of you who wants to share my misery of painting of koi pond... Warning! For me it took about 6 to 8 month. (Of course I'm painting at night only about from 12AM to 2 AM). You will have time till the end of April! Are you ready ?!...

If so - lets paint!

Pat Isaac
04-01-2010, 02:38 PM
Thanks, Tatiana, Great images.....

Pat

oldrockchick
04-01-2010, 03:25 PM
FOUR to choose from - how cool is that - thanks Pat for allowing 4 - I like more choice.

Posting this from the studio atm so willprint them off when I get home and join in... I have a house full of relatives and away for a weeks but i'll get something done.

Pat Isaac
04-01-2010, 03:56 PM
I do too and they are here until Monday....be around when I can.

Pat

PsyQuestor
04-01-2010, 10:01 PM
The koi pond is a wonderful subject to work with. Thanks for posting it!

bchlvr
04-02-2010, 07:13 AM
Love your photos! I'm definitely going to try some!

robertsloan2
04-02-2010, 10:05 AM
Tatiana, wow, thank you! These are amazing. I'll probably try either the koi pond or your favorite horse... though be warned, under my unskilled hands she may turn into your favorite cow, mule, dog, mutant cat...

oldrockchick
04-02-2010, 04:13 PM
Thanks for the images Tatiana and for hosting.. Busy month for me - have rel;atives here then I'm off to Essex next week. Will try to get something done before the end of the month though.

aolaranora
04-02-2010, 05:46 PM
I'm glad, you like my references!

I'm also sort of behind with everything. And today on top of other things my Mom-in-law was admitted to the hospital. So I have even lesser time. But don't worry, I'll be watching over all of you and checking on everybody's posts!

Now I'm just waiting who will be the bravest one to show his work first! (not me this time for sure!)

Scarefishcrow
04-02-2010, 09:09 PM
Tatiana, great ref pics and most of all great rules!!!!!

Thanks so much for hosting this month's challenge.

Bill
:heart: :music: :heart:

aolaranora
04-02-2010, 10:41 PM
Tatiana, great ref pics and most of all great rules!!!!!

Thanks so much for hosting this month's challenge.

Bill
:heart: :music: :heart:

Thank You, Bill!

I was looking forward to do it. Unfortunately I lost whole bunch of great reference photo with my old computer. But,, something I still have was enough (I hope!)

I love our WC reference library, but I think that for challenges different photos are much better, since it is something totally new and nobody played with it yet. ;)

silvermoss
04-03-2010, 10:41 AM
Sorry, pressed the button too early. See below.

silvermoss
04-03-2010, 10:43 AM
Thanks for hosting the challenge Tatiana.
I am trying out my new supplies and decided to do the koi pond. Like you, I draw in the wee hours of the morning, when the little one is in bed. Here is where i'm up to... and now I'm going to bed (yawn).

A5 sketch pad. No underpainting - I'm going to use this as an "underpainting" as it needs more refinement and detail.

I know my end product won't even compare with yours Tatiana, but posting it for C&C gives me motivation to keep working on it.

Pat Isaac
04-03-2010, 10:44 AM
Where's the pic, Cath?

Pat

Pat Isaac
04-03-2010, 10:46 AM
We cross posted...here is the pic. Good start, will be looking for updates.

Pat

silvermoss
04-03-2010, 10:47 AM
And, I forgot to say, a beautiful reference photo! When I studied it, there were wonderful curves in the shadows at the bottom of the pond, and forming the stems of the lillies. There is also a nice curve in the lilly pads going round like a "c" to the bottom green things. I've exaggerated them a bit.

aolaranora
04-03-2010, 11:58 AM
Aren't thos koi fun?!..

Thanks for posting, Cath! I really like what you did with the silver fish. And as for adding more layers... It is oil pastel, you just may keep going and going. Usually I will be told by several people that my painting IS finished, before I will come to the same conclusion. Very tempting thing - to put another layer on! :-)
BTW, what brand of pastels you are using?

Scarefishcrow
04-03-2010, 03:04 PM
Cath,
Great start on the Koi.

Tatiana, sorry you lost pics when you lost your computer.

Did you save the hard drive from the old computer. There is software that can read and recover damaged drives if they still run.

Hope you MIL is ok!

Bill
:heart: :music: :heart:

aolaranora
04-03-2010, 11:42 PM
Cath,

Tatiana, sorry you lost pics when you lost your computer.

Did you save the hard drive from the old computer. There is software that can read and recover damaged drives if they still run.

Hope you MIL is ok!

Bill
:heart: :music: :heart:

Oh, Bill, it is very complicated with my files. I had the computer crash and then local computer store restored my old HD and copied everything on brand-new external one. I used that external one with another computer for about 6 month or so... then it suddenly crashed. I still see date there, but I have no way to restore it, even I played with few programs, that should do the trick... So back to computer store it went, since I only have so much of time and wish to work with it myself. It looks like mechanical failure to me.. I hope they can figure out something and restore it to another external hard drive. I gave them about a week to figure things out and let me know, what my options are... It is too bad, I had a great collection of reference photos and just goo photos.
My mom in law still in the hospital. Till next week we will not no much. Hopefully, whatever it is, it will not be too hard on her. She is ancient lady.

rsatish
04-04-2010, 07:56 AM
Tatiana, thanks for hosting. I like all the photographs and I see you have covered quite a few genres.

Cath, your koi pond looks good.
Tatiana, I painted Betty, hope it looks like your favorite horse.
Surface is Canson - Papier Blanc(9"X12"), first layer using Pentel pastels and later layers using Sennelier.

-Ram
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Apr-2010/215875-P1010496.JPG

aolaranora
04-04-2010, 11:21 AM
Happy Easter to everybody who is celebrating!
No offence to the rest of artists.

Ram, you did pretty good job with Betty. Eye is looking great and generally head is done very well. Halter and lead rope is looks wonderful too. The only thing what is slightly off would be her neck. hers is shorter and stronger, but once again - what we do with this challenge is all about OUR OWN interpretation of reference photo. And you did very well with it. Congratulations!

:clap: :thumbsup: :clap:

Scarefishcrow
04-04-2010, 07:57 PM
Ram: Great job on the horse.

I did a quick sketch of the portrait last night, about 8x10 on watercolor paper using CD Neocolor I's wax pastel crayons. It didn't come out very well and as you can see I gave up on the hand on the shoulder and went for the easy way out: cropping.

Whole thing:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Apr-2010/108067-_00015-2010-04-03_17-31-50.JPG

Looks a tad better IRL, but never reall tried a portrait and the nose mouth area gave me trouble as you can see.

Here is a cropped version.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Apr-2010/108067-_00018-2010-04-03_17-32-44.JPG

Only spent a couple of hours on this, but have not done anything in so long I just wanted to get something done!

Bill
:heart: :music: :music: :heart:

aolaranora
04-04-2010, 11:44 PM
Only spent a couple of hours on this, but have not done anything in so long I just wanted to get something done!

Bill
:heart: :music: :music: :heart:

Oh, Bill!
So nice of you! Thank You!

Veronika will be glad to see that you decided to do her portrait! She likes you. We all do. I'm not kidding.

I think for the quick sketch-like work it is just fine. I think I'
I'll need collect everything you painted, guys and just keep it. It is going to be so cool!

I hope everybody had enough of holiday food and fun and now we all will grab our pastels and paint like crazies! :wink2:
Looking forward to see more works!

Scarefishcrow
04-05-2010, 11:17 AM
Thanks so much, Tatiana. I really like the pose and especially the 3/4 view and the shadows with the Cap she had on. I may work on it some more and try to make it more closely approach the beauty your lovely niece has. I hope she isn't grossed out by my wrecking her mouth and chin in the painting.

It was fun, though. And even though I traced the basic image, this is the closest I have ever come to getting tones rather than cartoon like lines around all the features like the nose!

Thanks for the great references and I always enjoy your humor and spirit!

Bill
:heart: :music: :music: :heart:

rsatish
04-06-2010, 03:55 AM
Thanks, Tatiana. You are right the neck is long.

Pat Isaac
04-06-2010, 07:42 AM
Great color and attitude for the horse, Ram. I agree about the neck too.
Bill fine quick sketches, be careful about not making her look cross-eyed. Like the colors you used.

Pat

rsatish
04-06-2010, 07:48 AM
Thanks Bill for your comments. I like your quick sketch of Veronika :clap: . You may be adding more layers on it, will be watching out for that.

rsatish
04-06-2010, 10:51 AM
Thanks Pat!

aolaranora
04-06-2010, 01:03 PM
Thanks so much, Tatiana. I really like the pose and especially the 3/4 view and the shadows with the Cap she had on. I may work on it some more and try to make it more closely approach the beauty your lovely niece has. I hope she isn't grossed out by my wrecking her mouth and chin in the painting.

No!She is not unhappy.
She says "He gave me Angelina Jolie leeps!" She likes it (happened to be her favorite actress after all!)

It was fun, though. And even though I traced the basic image,

I dodn't have any problem with tracing of images. I can draw free-hand, OR I may use a grid, OR I may trace too. All depends. I don't feel like it is cheating of anything of this sort. It clearly safes me a lot of time, so I can concentrait on painting. I never do tracing with landscapes, it is sort of pointless. So don't feel bad about your tracing ever. Many artists do it, not just Mr. Bill Scarecrow. :lol:

this is the closest I have ever come to getting tones rather than cartoon like lines around all the features like the nose!

You sure did. Once again - the same question, what brand of pastels?...

Thanks for the great references and I always enjoy your humor and spirit!

Bill
:heart: :music: :music: :heart:

Thank You, Bill!
Keep on scratching, how says our second famous groundhog of PA. Gus, I think ?...

:thumbsup:

gakinme
04-07-2010, 12:50 AM
Cath, good start to the koi painting. It's not that easy because there are so many different colors in there. Looking forward to seeing the next layer.

Ram, absolutely enchanting colors to the horse! It really pops against the background. It's very very pretty and the head is very realistic!

Bill, I'm not any better than you. I too have trouble with her nose. That's because I don't know how to do a draft with oil pastel. I like the sketchy look of oil pastel rather than coating it thick and I could only do it freehand along with its mistakes.

Canson Mi-Tientes salmon toned paper 9x12 inch
Caran D'ache oil pastel set of 48

Finally, I test drove my new purchase today. Love these oil pastels. They may not feel soft but they are very responsive. Now I wished I had bought the full set instead. LOL. But it's okay. I could always use the unspent money for Sennelier.

Tatiana, I made you niece slightly older. Thanks for the challenge.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Apr-2010/86669-op_aprilchallenge1.jpg

VladK
04-07-2010, 01:04 AM
Cath, nice start on pond.

Ram, wonderful job on horse. I like it very much.

Bill, I like your sketchy portrait, it needs some more work on nose and mouth indeed.

Sandra, nice work, some similarity is already there, I like it.

And I decided to start from a koi pond. I want to try oil paint underpainting and then all next layers with OPs. Here is my underpainting, oils on canvas panel, 11"x14". It'll be dry, hopefully, in a couple of days so I will be able to proceed with OPs.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Apr-2010/204616-IMG_3323.JPG

Scarefishcrow
04-07-2010, 01:40 AM
Thanks everyone for you comments and suggestions.
Sandra very nice portrait sketch.
Vlad I really like the underpainting (even withouth the OP).

Bill
:heart: :music: :music: :heart:

Pat Isaac
04-07-2010, 08:04 AM
Great color in the portrait, Sandra.
What a wonderful start, Vlad.

Pat

aolaranora
04-07-2010, 04:07 PM
Sandra, great work on this portrait!

Eyes are looking wonderful (BTW, she likes it!)

Vlad, Interesting start on those koi fish. Looking forward to see how you going to handle it from here. I hope your oils will dry fast enough for you to keep going.

robertsloan2
04-07-2010, 04:29 PM
Cath, great start on those koi. I haven't dared try them yet, though I want to. Yours is ambitious with so much of the background and so many fish included! Keep going!

Ram, beautiful version of the horse! I like the way you played with the background too, and great rendering of the tack. So much light streaming through yours.

Bill, good sketch of the girl! I like the crop and the way you fade out her clothes, it pushes attention back toward her face.

Sandra, striking colorful rendering of Tatiana's niece! I commented before on the all-media sketch thread, but this is magnificent. A lot closer to true once I looked at the reference again, the cheek line isn't as far off as I thought. Lovely loose texture and effective use of brilliant colors.

Vlad, great painterly start on your koi! Were you using a fast-dry alkyd medium or something to underpaint for OP?

Here's my start on doing Betty. I sketched in her outlines and then worked from the negative space to give her simple foliage for a background. Next comes the hard part, making her into a horse.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Apr-2010/70184-Equine-Stage-1.jpg
8" x 10" approx.
Cray-Pas Specialists
ProArt wirebound sketchbook paper.

I don't know if I'll get this to a portrait likeness. I'll be happy if I get her species right.

aolaranora
04-07-2010, 05:12 PM
So far so good, Robert!

I'm looking forward to see a progress on my Betty. I have a cold last two days and can't really get out to see her... Will be nice to see some paintings, if not an alive horse. :-)

Pat Isaac
04-07-2010, 05:19 PM
Nice start, Robert, really like the greens.

Pat

robertsloan2
04-07-2010, 05:57 PM
Thanks! I'm working on her again, though got set back for an hour because I got knocked offline and foolishly had not saved off the references. Now I've got them in my hard drive, so I can keep going if my access blips again.

Here's the next stage. I worked on her eye and got the darks roughed in with the deepest brown in my set. Unfortunately I think I got her eye a bit too large and will have to very, very, carefully work it down to size. A little error becomes a lot sometimes. A line width. Ow.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Apr-2010/70184-Equine-Stage-2.jpg

Scanning stages helped though, because opening the scan it was the same size as the reference and right next to it. Made for very easy comparisons to spot the eye size problem. Now for the really tough part, fixing... might have to get out the Walnut Hollow pencils.

robertsloan2
04-07-2010, 06:38 PM
Here she is again, with some values and colors blocked in. I'm going to need to keep working on the blended areas of her skin a lot, not really true to color at this point but values are getting close in some areas.

Eye is reduced, so at least she no longer looks like a My Little Pony or something. I hope that's enough reduction, though I think there's a broader highlight above the eye than I've done. I'll keep working on it.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Apr-2010/70184-Equine-Stage-3.jpg

Also this time I cropped off the ragged edges completely. I like it better without them even though I've got it in my sketchbook and did that to make it look okay on the page (and not have to worry about evening up the edges.)

gakinme
04-07-2010, 08:16 PM
Thank you, Vlad, Bill, Robert, Pat, Tatiana, for your comments.

Vlad, looking forward to see your completed piece.

Robert, your second piece is so good already. If it were me, it would satisfy me already. The sketchiness of it makes it so graphic! Your colored piece is looking good. It pops already against that background.

robertsloan2
04-07-2010, 09:26 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Apr-2010/70184-Equine-Finished.jpg
Equine
8" x 10"
Cray-Pas Specialist oil pastels on paper
Photo reference by aolaranora for April 2010 Oil Pastel Challenge.

Here she is, best that I can do her. A dark bay mare who may even be Betty. I'll leave the personal likeness up to the one person who knows her best. She's had some help in the last stage from Kitten the Farrier, who corrected several points about her eye and forehead and ear and mouth.

She is Equine. She is her correct species and age, that I'm proud of!

gakinme
04-07-2010, 10:57 PM
Beautiful piece, Robert. She looks so seductive too!!!! Beautiful finish really.

robertsloan2
04-08-2010, 12:51 AM
Thank you! Yes, you're right, she looks a bit sultry! It's those eyelashes. Horses have very long eyelashes.

VladK
04-08-2010, 10:10 AM
Bill, thank you, :lol: this is OP forum and I have to go over with OPs :wink2:
Pat, this is you who inspired me for oil underpainting with your beautiful last month's demo. So I decided to give it a try:cat: . Thank you, Pat.
Tatiana, thanks, yep, I touch it twice a day:lol: , before and after work, hopefully tomorrow night will be okay to continue. If I used only earth colors it would dry much faster...

Robert, first of all thanks for feedback. I used Copal medium to make it dry faster. Unfortunately, I was out of Galkyd at that time, used all for glazing. Galkyd is the best - it dries overnight. Copal will take a couple of days.
And Robert, what a beatiful work on horse:thumbsup: I like your greens, they helped a lot to pop the horse up. And now horse - you did a very good job starting from underpainting and going on with layers. I like the colors you've used.
Everything is very well done. Thank you for posting the stages.

Sandra, thank you, I too can't wait:lol:

Scarefishcrow
04-08-2010, 03:57 PM
Robert, thanks for the comments. Your step by step was vey informative and thd result great


:lol: Vlad, I knoe you will cover with OP but I still think it has some interesting dynamics in just the underoainting

Pat Isaac
04-08-2010, 05:21 PM
Thanks, Vlad. I will get back to that soon, but lots of other stuff going on right now.

Pat

aolaranora
04-08-2010, 09:15 PM
Super, Robert!
One more picture of my girl, I feel so lucky! :clap: :clap: :clap:

I made everybody's job hard, because Betty is black and it is not easy to work on paintings of black animals. But Robert done it so well!.. I personally would make some lines softer, but it is a cray-pass we are talking about. Some advantages and some limitations it is all here, depends of brand... :(


PS. Guys, I'm sorry, I probably making more errors then usually. But I'm sick and brain dead... so just take it as a part of this game. Brain dead hostess. :lol: :lol:

Pat Isaac
04-09-2010, 07:38 AM
Awesome horse, Robert.....sonehow I missed the finish. Nicely done.

Pat

VladK
04-14-2010, 12:07 AM
Before going to work this morning I tried my underaintind and, voila:clap: , it was dry and ready to paint on, so here is my final version:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Apr-2010/204616-IMG_3371_s.jpg

Thaks in advance for your feedback:music:

First image was too small, this one's about 800x600:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Apr-2010/204616-IMG_3371_s2.jpg

gakinme
04-14-2010, 12:34 AM
Beautiful piece, Vlad. Love the details on the fish, the speckles of white and green plants especially!

silvermoss
04-14-2010, 01:51 AM
Wow Vlad! I really like your koi. I gave up on mine, the colours weren't right and it just wasn't working. I've learnt a lot from the way you approached the subject. Beautiful! :thumbsup:

Pat Isaac
04-14-2010, 07:18 AM
Nicely dome, Vlad. Love your colors on the koi.

Pat

aolaranora
04-14-2010, 09:04 AM
Oh, WOW, Vlad, I love it! :clap: :clap:

Fish came out beautiful and the way how you did then water-plants on a front I love too... sort of out of focus... just a hint: " here it is, but use your imagination, I'm not going for you in details!". :)

I'm personally a detail freak when it comes to my own paintings and often it works for my disadvantage and makes my job only harder... :o

I adore your solution here.
Great job!

:thumbsup:

VladK
04-14-2010, 09:41 AM
Sandra, thank you
Cath, thanks, what I want to say - don't give up, try it again
Pat, thank you, you see, oil underpainting worked well.
Tatiana, thank you, I'm pleased you like it. Yes, I intentiaonally left out the details to make it look more "painterly".

What I want to try is to varnish it. I read somewhere that OP can be sprayed with fixative spray (I do have Sennelier OP fixative) and then varnish with about three layers of varnish. This way I'll try to avoid framing under the glass.
Sounds promising and logical. Did anybody tried this?

silvermoss
04-14-2010, 10:17 AM
Cath, thanks, what I want to say - don't give up, try it again

Thanks for the encouragement Vlad:). However, I couldn't face the fish right now, so decided to try something else. Instead of being so ambitious with the koi, I picked the flowers instead. I learnt from the koi that I was trying to do too much, so this time I cropped the picture more and only did a small painting.

Here it is, 10x10cm (about 4x4 inches). Sennelier on my Canson sketch pad (a smooth surface, but I find that it is ok for my sketches). C&C much appreciated.

By the way, Tatiana (or anybody else), what are these flowers called:o?

silvermoss
04-14-2010, 10:23 AM
What I want to try is to varnish it...

Sorry, I can't help you much with this question as I have never fixed/varnished my work. However, from previous threads other people have tried the Senn fixative and some have found that the colours changed a little, so it may be worth testing it on something else first.

aolaranora
04-15-2010, 09:50 AM
Hi, Vlad!
I'm sort of agree with Cath. The only brand of OP fixative I know is spray fixative from Sennelier. I tried it on some of my aseos just to fins out that think stinks awfully and giving a lot of reflections to your painting. However I know that some artists had good results with it (I heard about it anyway). I would recommend to do it ONLY outside on a warm day, read directions well and try on something small and not important first. (Do some sketches and play with it). I have plan on my list to do the same thing over this summer. Not like I have any problems to glaze my works under the glass, I'm just curious to see how bad that fixative it! :( :lol:

Cath, sorry, I'm not sure, what is the name of those flowers. They are sort of similar to Delphinium, but not exactly the same thing. :rolleyes:
I took this picture last summer during our visit to one of the biggest local nurseries... BTW, koi pond pictures are taken at the same nursery.

I like how you did those flowers. I was thinking about painting those myself, but not sure yet how to approach it... You gave me some idea what to do about it, thanks! :thumbsup:

Pat Isaac
04-15-2010, 10:07 AM
Nice flowers, Cath and they are Foxglove. I have many in my gardens and they are truly beautiful when in full bloom.
Vlad I would really hesitate to varnish that painting. The only spray fix I know of is what Tatiana, mentioned made by Sennelier. I am not sure it is meant to be a final finish. Your best bet is to frame under glass.

Pat

aolaranora
04-15-2010, 12:13 PM
I am not sure it is meant to be a final finish. Your best bet is to frame under glass.

Pat

It IS meant to be a final finish. It is a mix of vinyl resin with alcohols. However it has some very toxic ingredients and often will not form even film on the surface of painting (let face it - the surface is most of the time not even too). So it is complicated to use, harmful for health and often disappointing with appearance. Expensive too. I would go with the glass.

VladK
04-15-2010, 02:38 PM
I have a spray of Sennelier fixative and used it a lot earlier. Yes, Tatiana, I agree, it smells, and it puts nice protective coat on OPs. It has been designed exactly for this purpose. But it is not enough for a full protection.

I usually did 2 thin layers. I haven't noticed color change after it's dry on Sennelier. However, part of my underpainting was Erengi, and some colors were changed while wet, but returned almost;) back to "normal" when dried.

What I think, if fixative forms a thin film on the surface, it's should be safe to apply a one to tree coats of varnish on top of that.
I'll practice over weekend on small scrap paper with a heavy layer of OPs.

Thank you everybody for responses and advices:music:

aolaranora
04-15-2010, 03:01 PM
I think you are on something here, Vlad!

Probably some extra varnish should work. Keep us all updated on your experiments! ;)

silvermoss
04-15-2010, 10:42 PM
I did some extra blending and tried to get those white halos around the dots by using sgraffito. The latest attempt is posted second (with the previous post above that).

Thanks for the references Tatiana!

aolaranora
04-17-2010, 12:08 AM
I like tha latest version even better, Cath!
Your sgraffito sure was a good idea! :thumbsup:

idahogirl
04-17-2010, 02:53 PM
Well, THAT was a struggle. This is on watercolor paper with an acrylic underpainting.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Apr-2010/626-Oil-pastel-girl.jpg

Looking forward to more challenges.

:wave:

Dee

Pat Isaac
04-17-2010, 04:04 PM
Welcome to the forum, Dee. Nicely done and I find an underpainting very helpful at times.
What kind of OPs did you use.

Pat

idahogirl
04-17-2010, 06:15 PM
Thanks, Pat... yes an underpainting does help... I used mostly Cray Pas Specialists...

Dee

aolaranora
04-17-2010, 10:08 PM
Great job on a skin tone, Dee, and especially great job for Cray Pass!

Those things aren't easy to handle. At list for me... Our Pat had me spoiled about a year ago with offer to try out Holbeins!... (See, Pat - it is again your fault!) ;)

idahogirl
04-18-2010, 11:55 AM
I'm all ears :D How are the Holbein better? I really like working with oil pastel but have found them difficult to use...

Tell me more!

:wave:

Dee

aolaranora
04-18-2010, 12:11 PM
I would recommend you to get a small set of Holbein to try them.(This is much better, that trying to explaine how it feels like and what is the difference). Maybe you can find it from E-bay. Or maybe from any other online art store. Dick Blick, for example, always has it available.15 colors set is OK to try it out, but 40 is great.

Holbein are softer, easier to control, but not too soft (as some of Sennelier's). At my opinion those are superior to other brands. However when purchasing - make sure they are art grade, not academic grade. Academics are round is shape and art grade are square ones.
Most of people who are not used to oil pastels finding them hard to use, but when you know how to work with those they are lots of fun. OP Society web site has all sorts of information and tips what to do with them and so does this forum. Take your time and check it out. :-)

Scarefishcrow
04-20-2010, 04:32 PM
Dee, Vlad, Cath: You all did great work on the really challenging images Tatiana picked.

Cath, I like the way you focused on just part of the cluster. More and more I thinl that is something we should do more often; sketch out small parts of things that can eventually develop into a large "vocabulary" of "image pieces" we can use in creating larger works. Almost like a musician learns "riffs" or a few bars of music in a particular key that can be used in many different songs.




Bill

GOSH
04-21-2010, 04:28 AM
Hello again everybody! Everybody is doing great, the challenges this month are hard, especially the flower.

GOSH
04-21-2010, 04:34 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Apr-2010/143278-S7301100_.jpg

Holbeins and Senns and I'm still in shock. Primed canvas stappled on board.

Wait till RG gets home in a few minutes. It took me three hours to do this beginning to end, believe it or not.
It must have been that new tea I've been drinking...

hollyga
04-21-2010, 07:16 AM
WOW! - Gosh - This is fantastic - the shadows under the hat, the hair, the eyes, that gorgeous mouth - all are just perfect! :clap: :clap: :clap:

Holly :wave:

gakinme
04-21-2010, 09:42 AM
Cath, great foxgloves. I like the texture of the first version overall but the halos of the second one.

Dee, good going there with the portrait. How big was it? Good skin colors.

GOSH, wow, very nice portrait indeed. I've never even done something so painterly portrait wise. Very inspiring. Great shading and expression.

aolaranora
04-21-2010, 10:40 AM
Oh, my.... GOSH!.... :angel:

You sure did something slightly.... different. Outstanding, perhaps ?...

What kind of tea you were drinking?... I want some too! :lol:
(BTW, I like your background too, not just a portrait. Original reference shot was from construction site)

Bill, Bill!...
What "challenging images" ?... :D Don't you see what they do with those?... Next time I need to pick up something harder... Three hours - done!

:clap: :clap: :clap:

GOSH
04-21-2010, 04:20 PM
Now that I've had a few hours of sleep and the shock has worn off, I can recall my manners so here is the reply to Your posts:

aolranora: Thank you for hosting this month's challenge. They're wonderful photos and I promise to be careful with Betty :evil: . Veronika is a very pretty girl and a great portrait subject. I just wished I had painted her instead of a lost cousin that kinda looks like her. Ah! Koi fishies...they're so cute :evil:
Sorry to hear you have a cold and that your M-I-L is in the hospital. Wishing for a speedy recovery. :thumbsup:
(the tea is some cheap Earl Grey)
Silvermoss: Love your Koi pond and the colors you picked.
rsatish: Your horse is fantastic! The nose seems to come out of the canvas. Love the light of the background and how it shines on Betty. The elongated neck is how horses "really" look like. They have magical powers that extend their body parts to steal hay and grass from the other side of the fence. I think they also have a tongue like a chameleon's.
Scarefishcrow: Nice attempt at the portrait in free hand. I had the same issues with the nose and mouth. Next time I'll just put some dots in the corners of the mouth and only later I'll apply the color.
I began the painting by printing the image, making a grid and then making a grid on the canvas. Then I just used the grid as a guide with the proportions. Somewhere between drawing and laying down the color Veronika became someone else in the Caribbean, instead of a construction site.
Gakinme: You have given the portrait very clear eyes that glitter and I blame Pat for saying that Holbeins are great for skin tone.
VladK: Your Koi pond is lovely! I've used turpenoid to dilute blue to create a more even sky, and I'm finding it wonderful to use it with OP's. Your underpainting really created the depth in the pond.
RobertSloan: I like ProArt too. Not too bad for price. Which reminds me to get more of that canvas board they have at the supermarket or go to Home Depot and have a whole sheet of plywood cut so I can use it with some other canvas. Your horse is a real Beauty and I appreciate the step-by-step you provided
Silvermoss: the single, hardest challenge of all is the flower! You are very very brave! I like your use of sgrafitto for highlights.
DeeFox: You have a really nice nose and I like the light on the ear and hand. You made the earring shine.
Hollyga: Thank you, and it's not perfect: the figure resembles but is not Veronika (more like a lucky cousin) and I wish I added a yacht or a paraglidder to make it more interesting. I have a list of the materials used if anyone is interested. The figure is around a 9"x 12".

pragash
04-22-2010, 09:05 AM
hi,

beautiful reference images. beautiful renditions by all :clap: .

here is my version:

op(faber castel) on drawing paper, 7" x 10.5",watercolor pencils under painting.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Apr-2010/183483-op_apr_challenge.JPG

Pat Isaac
04-22-2010, 09:11 AM
Nicely done. This has a soft watercolor feel to it.

Pat

aolaranora
04-22-2010, 11:03 AM
Another WOW from me, pragash !

Very nice rendering and great likeness! I'm pretty sure my "model" will be pleased! :-)

GOSH
04-22-2010, 12:19 PM
WoW pragash! Beautiful rendition and likeness. The colors are so soft and dreamy.

GOSH
04-22-2010, 05:41 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Apr-2010/143278-S7301115_.JPG

Hello again!
Pre-primed canvas on board around 14"x10". Materials used were turpenoid, an old brush and plain old fingers, Senneliers. Time spent: 2 hours. As usual, critiques are welcome. Only regret: adding too much white...again.

rjmarchitect
04-22-2010, 10:51 PM
Gosh I really really like this!!! :clap: :clap:

Russ

aolaranora
04-23-2010, 12:11 AM
Once again - nice work, GOSH!

I like the silver fish the best. And I'm green with envy about the time it took for you. I didn't think I ever will finish my own Koi. I was so glad when i finally called it finished! :lol:

Pat Isaac
04-23-2010, 07:35 AM
Nicely done and i like your use of sgraffito.

Pat

pragash
04-23-2010, 11:30 AM
thanks pat, tatiana, gosh for your nice comments.

gosh -wonderful painting in such a short time. i like the white fish , porus stones and mossy stones. achieved a good perception.

pragash

VladK
04-23-2010, 01:23 PM
Cath, nice flowers, I like the crop you did and the way you used scgraffito.
Nice portrait, Dee, skin colors are great.
Gosh, your portrait is sunny, lively, and has high level of resemblance to a reference photo. I like how you handled shadows and skin tones. Great job
Pragash, well done. I like softness and likeness you achieved.
Gosh, your koi pond has a nice sunny feel to it. I agree here with you on too much white, but overall it's an excellent work.

By the way, I experimented a little with varnish. I did several tests.
1. Sennelier OP + 2 layers of Sennelier fixative spray + 2 layers of Golden MSA varnish. Results: very good, a little smudged in some places when applied the first layer of varnish. Needed to apply more layers of fixative.
2. Sennelier OP + 3 layers of Sennelier fixative spray + 3 layers of Golden MSA varnish. Results: excellent, can be framed without the glass.
Even more layers of varnish can be applied for better protection.

But when painting is done with cheaper OP (in my case Erengi), or they are not covered, fixative does not work well, and varnish remains wet (because of some kind of chemical reaction), and color is changed in some spots.

aolaranora
04-23-2010, 04:20 PM
Very Interesting, Vlad!

Thank you for shearing your results.
I only tried Sennlier fixative on small ASEOs, no, it was no problems with changing of colors.
I didn't try Erengy with it and/or Holbeins. It may or may not work, after all Sennelier spray was made for Sennelier OPs.
I think I'm going to try it with Holbein myself and see what will happen. :-)

rsatish
04-24-2010, 08:36 AM
Its been around 20 days since I visited this forum.
Thanks Sandra, Vlad, Robert, Gosh for your comments!
Sandra, nice bold strokes, I like your sketch!
Vlad, I love your koi pond version. I must admit it is very technical to me but was very educative. You have suceeded well in highlighting the fishes and abstracting out the details.
Robert, excellent colors and there is good energy flow in your version of horse. Indeed very beautiful!
Cath, nice flowers!
Dee, a different version of the portrait, I like it.
Gosh, nice portrait there. I like it, the lighting effect and the background came out really good. Your version of koi pond has a nice shiny look. I like it.
Pragash, nice work on the portrait, very painterly!

Here is my version of the portrait. I guess she looks like some cousin of Veronica. First I did a color pencil under-painting. Its done on Canson papier blank "C"A grain, sennelier pastels, size 9"x12" .

-Ram

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Apr-2010/215875-P1010506.JPG

truck driver
04-24-2010, 07:21 PM
Sandra, thank you
Cath, thanks, what I want to say - don't give up, try it again
Pat, thank you, you see, oil underpainting worked well.
Tatiana, thank you, I'm pleased you like it. Yes, I intentiaonally left out the details to make it look more "painterly".

What I want to try is to varnish it. I read somewhere that OP can be sprayed with fixative spray (I do have Sennelier OP fixative) and then varnish with about three layers of varnish. This way I'll try to avoid framing under the glass.
Sounds promising and logical. Did anybody tried this?


I havent replied to this. There are a couple of issues with this vlad. One is there is no way to remove the varnish to clean the painting. Second is not even Sennelier's, or Caran'Dache's chemists recommend using there own fixatives with oil pastels. This summer there will be a varnish that can be used with oil pastels. However at this point there is none that I can recommend with any confidence at all.

RG

rsatish
04-25-2010, 08:23 AM
I touched up the cap and hair a bit more...C&C are welcome.
-Ramhttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Apr-2010/215875-P1010510.JPG

aolaranora
04-25-2010, 09:48 AM
Hi, Ram!

VERY VERY NICE! :thumbsup:

In fact Veronika is sitting here by my computer and making comments how she loves the nose. Mean a lot, since it is a part what at her opinion nobody can get right! :lol: :lol:

I like a lot about your painting - skin tone, good 3-D effect, yes that very nose, lips... :music: :music:

Eyes, however can use some extra work on it. First of all they look at slightly different directions, secondly: I'm personally under impression that one what is closer to me looks smaller that second one... and it should be the other way around. :o

Otherwise, I think you really nailed it! Thank you for sharing.

oldrockchick
04-28-2010, 08:28 AM
Tatiana - I haven't forgotten about the challenge this has been a really busy and hectic month with folks here for a week and being away over a week, then having to catch up etc... It kinda wore me out so I've not felt up to much art. When all was done I just flopped in a chair in front of the TV.

I'm going to do 'Betty'? the horse and will post before the end of the week... all being well.

aolaranora
04-28-2010, 10:43 AM
Tatiana - I haven't forgotten about the challenge this has been a really busy and hectic month

Oh, Lin, you are telling me my own story! :o Did you see any of my own posts here on challange?... No!
So, don't feel too bad about it.

with folks here for a week

Once again - same here. Only folkes are moved in with us, both are 90+ and need all the help they can get (sometimes I feel it is I'm the one here in the need of all the help!..:lol: )

and being away over a week, then having to catch up etc... It kinda wore me out so I've not felt up to much art. When all was done I just flopped in a chair in front of the TV.

Sometimes it is only thing one can do... flop in front of TV (and possibly fell asleep!)

I'm going to do 'Betty'? the horse and will post before the end of the week... all being well.

That will be wonderful! We still have few days, so I'm very much looking forward to see one more painting of Betty here!

rsatish
04-28-2010, 12:41 PM
Tatiana, thanks for your comments, that was very encouraging. I am glad you and your niece liked the portrait. Coming to the eye, you are right, it needs correction. Overall, I enjoyed doing the portrait, I thank you for posting just wonderful pictures.

-Ram

aolaranora
04-28-2010, 07:18 PM
You are very welcome, Ram!

And as for an eye.. I'm working on her portrait myself, I hate what I did with her eyes! Usually I'm pretty strong with it, but not this time! :-) So by any mean it is not a reason to be unhappy. You painting is very well done and I can see right now that next one will be even better!

Scarefishcrow
04-28-2010, 08:52 PM
GOSH, RAM and PRAGASH..... All three created unique and excellent portraits of Veronica. My compliments on your efforts!

GOSH, you are always so "koi" about your artistic skills! I think the fish pond is great. My guess is that it is much brighter and dynmamic IRL than in the digital image! Great job.

BILL
:heart: :heart: :music: :music: :heart: :heart:

rsatish
04-28-2010, 11:39 PM
Thanks Bill.
Thanks Tatiana!

oldrockchick
04-29-2010, 08:55 AM
This is how far I have got so far...

I started yesterday

I used some wc paper with 2 coats of Gesso on working side and 1 coat on under.
I masking taped it to a board.

I used FC Poly pencils for the horse underdrawing.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Apr-2010/179312-OP_April_-_Betty_-_CP_ud.jpg
Scanned on board so not very flat and let light in but I'm sure you get the idea.

Then I used DR blue and some very muted greens and applied some Sansodor to try to get a smooth background. It took ages to dry. I thought it was sufficiently dry but when I went over the top of the sky with a Senn it was too moist and soggy. I couldnt' get the smoothness I wanted, even rubbing with my fingers I got so frusttrated I put it in the fridge and left it there.......
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Apr-2010/179312-Betty_OP_stage_2004.JPG
I want to get a very light and smooth background so that the horse stands out. It was annoying me...

Going to continue today and hope it will be better for it's cooling off (and mine :D :rolleyes: )

aolaranora
04-30-2010, 12:04 AM
Lin, it is totally lovely!

Have the most resemblance with the real Betty too! :-)

I'm very much looking forward to see how you play with it!

Pat Isaac
04-30-2010, 08:10 AM
What a great start, Lin. You certainly have the character of Betty.

Pat

oldrockchick
04-30-2010, 11:49 AM
I eft it yestereday. I finished off the sky and background with some Neos and topped with Senns. Senns are a little soft and not playing nice still.

Anyway I rubbed it all in with my fingers for the sky and then scumbled over using the texture for the grass.


I then concentrated on the horse and post. I put some tonal blocks in using Neopastels... trouble is I only have what is left of a 48 set so limited with colours and especially ones with a nice tonal range... I did what I always do... if in doubt ....use purple :D :lol:

Here is purple Betty.......

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Apr-2010/179312-Betty_-_purple_1st_layer_OP_April_2010.JPG

Next I plan to check out the forums and have my coffee while I wait for the neos to settle... in the fridge!!

Then to finish off in warm brown Senns

back soon and I have until midnight to finish and post to catch the deadline :D

aolaranora
04-30-2010, 03:28 PM
:lol: Oh, Lin, you know, this is so funny!... We took my Mom-in-law to the farm once... She is in that gentle age, that most of the time has not much idea on what she does... So somehow she managed to get to my camera while I was walking with Betty around. Whatever she did to that camera, but when my sister took some of our pictures, horse on that shots was PURPLE!!! Just like an egg plant!
No, can you belive it?! And you just painted that very horse at that very color!
You just made my day! :lol: :lol: :lol: :thumbsup: :clap:

oldrockchick
04-30-2010, 03:46 PM
tatiana - what an amazing story.. maybe Betty has a warm purple aura about her? It is a very spiritual colour

anyway that was first coat... here she is finished and looking a little less purple, although the hue does show through the 'glazes' a little.

Just made the deadline for this month's challenge... I hope you all like it and feel I have done justice to this lovely creature :)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Apr-2010/179312-BETTY_finished_-_April_OP.jpg

gakinme
04-30-2010, 10:51 PM
Pragash, you have a very alert looking girl there.

Ram, beautiful finish to the portrait. I hope to be able to one like that soon. Inspiring.

GOSH, wow, I never would have thought that oil pastel could be of this texture and color. It doesn't look like oil pastel at all. It's almost like acrylic. Love especially the silver fish looking up but all the rocks and fishes are very nicely done.

Lin, good horse there.

I have a question. Why do a few of you use color pencil to do the first layer? Is vine charcoal or light pencil mark not advisable under op's?

GOSH, is turp used in the first overall layer for the sandy bottom only or did you also use it for the fish?

aolaranora
04-30-2010, 11:08 PM
Lin, be proud!
This is EXACTLY how Betty's color look like at this hot summer days. (At cold time of the year she is more brownish-black).
Great job on this painting, I really like it!
:clap: :thumbsup:

Sandra, about colored pencils... I personally using it for making a sort of "color map" for my future painting. Charcoal for oil pastel is no good, it will be mixing with OPs and give it "dirty" look. Any kind of watermedia, or acrylics and oils are OK. Soft pastel could be used at some cases, but it is very complicated. I tried it once or twice, not too easy to use. Colored pencils could be basically used like any kind of it. I started with oil pencils and finished with watercolor pencils. Perhaps watercolor pencils I like the best.

Thanks again to everybody for participating in this monthly challenge and look like I'll be hosting another one in July... Till then!.. :heart:

gakinme
05-01-2010, 01:48 AM
Thank you, Tatiana, for hosting this month's challenge. I'll definitely be there when you host again. I didn't get to do the Koi fish nor the horse but those are good subjects for op's especially the horse.

marionh
05-01-2010, 06:52 AM
Tatania sorry I am so late. I have been working on the fish painting but still not finished. I seem to have had a couple of months where I've not been motivated to do much painting for some reason.
Here is where I am up to at the moment. I will post updates as I continue.

40x50cm on gessoed mountboard with colourfix primer.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-May-2010/42113-002_800x600.JPG

Still a long way to go though.

Pat Isaac
05-01-2010, 07:27 AM
That is a wonderful start, Marion.

Pat

gakinme
05-01-2010, 12:28 PM
That piece is so pretty, Marion. I can't believe it's oil pastel. It's like Chinese embroidery.

aolaranora
05-01-2010, 08:13 PM
Thank You, Sandra!

Marion, better late, then never! You have a grat start of those fish. Keep going!
BTW, what OPs are you using ?...

I hope to be back here in July with some new good references and hope you, guys, will love it.

But if somebody didn't finish something (as Marion), or just didn't have time to start, but love the reference - welcome to post at this thread.

Month of April is over, but thread is still open! :-)

Scarefishcrow
05-01-2010, 10:07 PM
Marion, what a lovely interpretation of the koi! Love your colors and background work.

Lin,
Great job on the horse and it is always so wonderful when you show the progression. I really think you should consider writing some of these progress series as articles for the OPS Oil Spiel newsletter. This is just the type of content that would enrich the publication and and provide insight on how particular artists achieve their results.

Seriously!:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

The horse is just great; maybe like Picasso you were in a "color phase" during the painting. Instead of your "blue phase" you had a "purple phase"!:lol:


And finally, Tatiana, thanks so much for being such a gracious and helpful host for the Challenge in April. It is dedicated users like you that prevent every month from being seascapes and landscapes, with only the country of origin changing if I end up doing them! :lol:

If anyone wants to get a chance to pick the ref images and play host for a mothly challenge, just let me know here:

http://wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=507021

Bill
:heart: :music: :heart:

oldrockchick
05-02-2010, 09:25 AM
Lin,
Great job on the horse and it is always so wonderful when you show the progression. I really think you should consider writing some of these progress series as articles for the OPS Oil Spiel newsletter. This is just the type of content that would enrich the publication and and provide insight on how particular artists achieve their results.

Seriously!:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

The horse is just great; maybe like Picasso you were in a "color phase" during the painting. Instead of your "blue phase" you had a "purple phase"!:lol:




http://wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=507021

Bill
:heart: :music: :heart:
Thansk Bill for your confidence.

I think my purple phase has been lasting over a year... I do it with CPs too. I hate greys and browns and never seem to find the right colour. I find using colours such as violets and purples give more warmth and better tonal contrasts.

I've jsut done 2 watercolour pieces for the WDE and I even used purple/mauve in the sea and sky. :eek::lol:

Pat Isaac
05-02-2010, 10:19 AM
Sorry I missed the finish of Betty, Lin. Just fabulous and I like the background. You always do such a great job with that.

Pat

aolaranora
05-04-2010, 03:39 PM
Thank You, Bill!

I hope to have something nice for July challange too.
However I see nothing wrong with seascapes and landscapes. Many people like it and I happened to be one of them! :)

idahogirl
05-04-2010, 06:53 PM
However I see nothing wrong with seascapes and landscapes. Many people like it and I happened to be one of them! :)

Me too :)

Dee

Scarefishcrow
05-04-2010, 08:46 PM
Me too :)

Dee

Me three!!