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JayD
12-06-2004, 12:21 AM
Basic 101: Class 7
EXAM: PUTTING IT ALL TOGETHER

Congratulations class! You have made it this far and you could not have made me prouder. Not only have I gotten to meet some great people but I have met some extraordinary and special artist. ALL of you deserve a round of applause. I have learned a lot from you as well. I see from your work enthusiasm and inspiration for my own work for years to come.

This week we are going to take everything that we have learned and put it all together.. This is going to be deceptive short. Here is this weeks assignment:

Below you will see a single still life that was personally picked out by WC Guide Stoy Jones. You may post your work here and on Stoy's weekly drawing thread. Here is what you need to do:

1. VERY carefully establish the basic geometric shapes.

2. VERY carefully establish the centerlines

3. VERY carefully create any ellipses and make sure that you have them balanced - remember that this one point (the ellipse) will make or break your drawing.

4. Make your first drawing - don't worry about detail and post it to the class

5. You must do the folds!

NEXT

Part I: Do the drawing directly from the still life photo

Part II: Add something personal about yourself to the still life - it can be a cherished object or a symbolic object. Be prepared to explain your choice.




Good luck. I am very proud of all of the work that you all have done thus far.

Happy drawing!!!


Note from the Editor: This thread continues with the recent posts. The older posts can be found in this closed thread:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234762

wedhatted
07-02-2009, 05:12 PM
Sorry for jumping around, as I have also started class 8.
Here's my submission for class 7. Regretably I did not scan the outline drawing before I started to shade in.
Best I can do if nesc is a rough sketch of the apple and a line drawing of the pot. Let me know if you want to see them.
The personal item is the last dog tag that my favorite dog had before she passed away.

Thanks
Diane

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Jul-2009/125661-coffepot_apple.jpg

arnoud3272
07-03-2009, 03:46 AM
Diane -
No worries about the outline, it is still very clearly seen at this stage. This class is in the first place about form, and you managed that very well :clap:. But the shading is very high key, a bit as an overexposed photo. I don't think it is the scan, because there are nice black areas. The mid tones are missing. There are several versions of the reference photo, but even the lightest one has a lot more gray values than your rendering.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Jul-2009/142886-Examgrayscalephoto.jpg
Of course, it could be artistic license. But as an sports instructor of mine used to say: did you choose to do it that way, or was it just happening?
As you work on the class on shading, why not use this as additional practice?

wedhatted
07-03-2009, 12:51 PM
Your sports instructor was very wise :)
It really didn't look that light to me on the paper when I scanned it, but yup, when i went back and looked at it again, it sure is washed out.

How is this?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Jul-2009/125661-teapot-apple3.jpg

arnoud3272
07-03-2009, 01:38 PM
Diane -
Much better :thumbsup:. The background is a lot more convincing. As "folds" are the subject of a much higher class, we will leave that for now. But look how the two vertical bands on the pot should be a lot darker than the "real" highlights (on the apple and the upper left of the pot).
And talking about shading, observe how the apple is much more suggesting a roundness than the coffeepot.Your strokes on the apple follow the contour, whereas they go straight up and down on the pot. OK, the contours of the sides of the pot are straight, but that is a poor excuse :evil:.
But no doubt, you passed this examination :clap::thumbsup:

Pasqueflower
10-28-2009, 07:00 PM
4. Make your first drawing—don’t worry about detail and post it to the class

5. You must do the folds!


Hi, Arnoud! Thanks so much for your kind words about my last drawing, I truly appreciate your encouragement. This is my first submission for Class 7 -- I'm reading JayD's instructions as meaning a line drawing or rough-out sketch of some sort in order to establish the forms.

Is this OK for a start?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Oct-2009/25293-Form2.jpg

This was a tough set-up to try to depict, so before I hurl myself at it again, I'm going to wait for your comments!

Pam :)

arnoud3272
10-29-2009, 06:24 AM
Pam -
This is a very good start.
Forms and proportions are generally correct. There are some problems with :evil: ellipses.
-- The bottom corner is too sharp. It is hidden in the shadow, but one should draw the complete ellipse in a study, also the part that cannot be seen. That will guard against this error. I have manipulated the reference a bit. You see that the corner is nicely rounded off. There is even a extra bead, caused by the tinsmith's seam.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Oct-2009/142886-bottom-detail.jpg


-- The ellipses of the lid are at about the same distance from the (implied) EL as the top of the pot, so they have the same perspective and their curvature should be comparable. They are too flat for the moment.
With these little corrections, you'll have a very solid foundation to continue :thumbsup:.

Pasqueflower
11-10-2009, 02:15 AM
Hi, Arnoud --

Life has been interfering with Art this week: too many items on the Gotta Do list :p

But here's what I have so far.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Nov-2009/25293-Still_Life.jpg

I need further work on the top & bottom ellipses of the coffeepot, and the lid's too light of course, it's not finished yet. I've selected my personal item but don't think it'll require rearranging anything, so at this point I'm planning to add it last.

Pam :)

arnoud3272
11-10-2009, 08:28 AM
Pam -
This is coming along nicely :thumbsup:.
A tip: don't be afraid of improving on the reference photo :). That one fold in the bg that continues the line of the spout is bad composition :evil:. It is like those snapshots where twigs are growing out of peoples' ears :lol:. It is easy to shift that fold a bit. Several examples can be found in the WDT (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234849) that run parallel with the start of this class.
It is very good to avoid hard outlines, but long stretches where the bg and the subject coalesce make it difficult to "read". An often used method is making the bg darker on the light side (and brighter at the subject's shadow side, which is already the case here).
Keep it up :)

uneekfish
11-10-2009, 07:38 PM
Well, I finally got a chance to spend some time on this! I forgot that you were suppose to add something, so I put in a pencil at the end.

Thanks for looking...http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Nov-2009/198920-examclass.jpg

arnoud3272
11-11-2009, 05:20 AM
uneekfish -
Nice drawing :clap:.
Of course it is never perfect :o. The handle is a bit deformed, it is much straighter in the reference, and I think that is more logical as a design too. The ellipses are almost correct, the bottom right is too pointy (yes, still :evil:). On the subject of ellipses, do you realize you changed the Eye Level? It is halfway the teapot in the reference, and far above it in your drawing. If in doubt, take a glass or mug and move it up and down before your eyes. Observe how the form of the top rim changes.
Your shading is becoming very good; I like very much how you rendered the different textures :clap:.
Move on to a next class :thumbsup:

Pasqueflower
11-22-2009, 01:48 AM
Hi, Arnoud!

Sorry to be so slow with this: a great deal of interference lately!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Nov-2009/25293-Still_Life_3.jpg

I've tried to incorporate all the corrections you suggested. In working on the personal object, my St. Michael the Archangel medallion, I found that it may have been unwise -- well, maybe just inexperienced :o -- of me to try to use a lightweight object like a necklace in a still life with two such chunky objects as the apple and the coffeepot. C'est la vie! But it's incredible what I've learned about composition by wrestling with this picture!

As ever, I will be looking forward to your C & C --

Pam :)

arnoud3272
11-22-2009, 07:06 AM
Pam -
wrestling with this picture! It was well worth the effort :clap::clap:. This is a very nice job.
I like particularly how you rendered the reflections. And the drawing of the apple is outstanding.
Move on to a next class :thumbsup:

Pasqueflower
11-22-2009, 11:33 PM
Thank you so much, Arnoud.

I'm going to go into #8 for Light and Shade -- it looks like a great class!

oviyam
12-01-2009, 01:22 AM
Dear Arnoud,

Good Day to You.
Posting my Class 7 assignment for your kind review. please check this.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Nov-2009/200707-Class_7-001.jpg


Regards
Jarish

arnoud3272
12-01-2009, 05:58 AM
Jarish -
Nice job :clap:.
It does not really matter for this kind of subject, but as a reminder for subjects where accurate proportions are important (figure, portrait, etc.) putting reference and drawing side by side is of great help to see your "artistic license":

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Dec-2009/142886-jarish-Class_7-corr.jpg

An even stronger software tip is described in this article (http://wetcanvas.com/Articles2/2921/521/).
Taken on its own, this is a very fine drawing, beautifully rendered :clap:
Move on to a next class :thumbsup:

oviyam
12-01-2009, 06:13 AM
oh arnoud!!
I was using photoshop for the last 7 years but i never think about this kind of technique!!!!:( !! thanks alot for the guidance. I will use this trick for my further drawings!!!

Thanks alot.

See you in the class 8.

Regards
jarish

andartarius
12-04-2009, 01:26 AM
OK i was too lazy to do my personnal object.... im so sry, i felt too eager to go eat so i finished this quickly , took around 30 minutes, its very sketchy and maybe not worth commenting but feedback is always appreciated!

jaxmacau
12-10-2009, 07:14 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Dec-2009/186253-image-1.jpg Hi, everyone,
I start doing the drawing class months ago, but this is my first drawing post. Im love seeing all the diffirent styles that coming up. All so diffirent you can't help but take something from each share...its amazing.

arnoud3272
12-11-2009, 07:20 AM
Jacky -
I start doing the drawing class months ago, Then why didn't we see any previous homework?
Commenting on this drawing:
-- Putting the drawing and the reference side to side you can see that the proportions are rather far off. Nobody will realize it without the reference, but, seen as an exercise, this would be a glaring error on subjects as animals, humans, portraits, etc.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Dec-2009/142886-jacky-image-corr.jpg

-- Common for beginners is to be afraid of the dark :lol:. I admit that it could be the scan, but there are a few dark patches, so probably you kept it too "washed out".
-- The bottom right is too sharp, ellipses are smooth, even at the ends they have no points.

You did very well in unifying the outline with the shading :thumbsup:.
You are now invited to render this drawing more personal, e.g. by adding an object that means something for you.

jaxmacau
12-11-2009, 06:00 PM
Thanks Arnoud, I am feeling like a bad student for not posting the other lessons. It was quite awhile ago now. I think I was just abit scared about putting myself out there.:eek:But I can see the benefit of your comments.

I saw parts weren't right but couldn't figure out what. :lol: see posting is helpful.

Can you please explain the "being afaird of the dark"?

Thanks again
Jacky

arnoud3272
12-11-2009, 06:55 PM
Jacky -
Can you please explain the "being afraid of the dark"?
Well, look at the general impression of your drawing, it is gray. Do you remember B&W photos? They are called black and white, not gray and white :lol:. Likewise, a drawing with punch contains a fair proportion of black areas. Aim at obtaining real white (don't smudge!), real black and a good variety of shades between.

jaxmacau
12-12-2009, 01:07 AM
yep that makes lots of sence...thankyou

jaxmacau
12-28-2009, 12:10 AM
Hi Arnoud,

Hope you had a lovely christmas : )

I've decide I would have a 2nd attempts at the exam over my christmas break...I've added a glass and also a necklace of mine as my personnal item.

I feel the base drawing is abit better than the last, but it does always look diffirent once its on the puta screen.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Dec-2009/186253-image.jpg

arnoud3272
12-28-2009, 05:44 AM
Jacky -
This is fine :clap:.
Looking forward to your shading :thumbsup:.

Cinnamon2010
01-27-2010, 04:43 PM
I finished the first part of the exam. I really appreciate your feedback. I would like to add my personal object after you c&c so I can correct it.

Boy I really struggled with the material. Getting it to look like folds is very challenging.

I did try to layer everything. I started with 4HB then 2HB then HB. I found that the graphite would kind of glob so I used my finger to smooth it out. I know that is a no no but it did blend it better. Anyway here is is....
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Jan-2010/210164-exam.jpg

arnoud3272
01-27-2010, 06:39 PM
Laurie -
Well done. You got the correct forms, smooth ellipses. Folds are treated in depth in class 16, but you managed already very well :clap:. You also observed highlights and shadows accurately. What could be improved while adding your personal item is the range of values (tones). It is the subject of next class, but it is important enough to start already paying attention to it. "Push the darks". But while making the darks darker, use all the intermediate mid tones. Compare with the reference:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Jan-2010/142886-cin-corr.jpg

Blending: it is very easy to roll your own tortillion (http://share3.esd105.wednet.edu/sotelops/tortillion.htm)
Blotchy shading can have several causes: poor quality paper, going too fast, wrong sequence of soft and hard pencils. The last point is partly a matter of style: if you want to show the texture of the paper, start with soft, if working more realistically, use smooth paper and start with hard.
Keep up the good work :thumbsup:.

Cinnamon2010
01-29-2010, 04:03 PM
Thank you for your kind words...The object I added is a gift from my granddaughter. I absolutly adore horses. It is bronze and it sits on my desk so everytime I look at it is think of her.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Jan-2010/210164-class_7_2.jpg

arnoud3272
01-30-2010, 04:05 AM
Laurie -
Nicely done :clap:. But remember for next classes:
push the darks

Samira Humaid
01-31-2010, 01:56 AM
Hi Arnoud,
This s the first part of the assignment. Does the second part need to have us redraw the picture, or will shading in this same one with the additional object be enough?

arnoud3272
01-31-2010, 04:48 AM
Samira -
The text of the assignment is indeed not very clear, but the idea is to post one finished drawing. Making a first line drawing and then changing it gives you a beginning of insight how to try out several sketches before committing to the final composition.
Your line drawing is fine:clap:. Look forward to your final work.

Samira Humaid
02-02-2010, 12:39 AM
Hi Arnoud, :wave:
This is my finished assignment. I have added my ring, which was given to me by my brother, and which holds a very special place in my heart.

arnoud3272
02-02-2010, 07:23 AM
Samira -
You have a good eye for forms, both outlines and shades :clap:.
You would make a big improvement in realistic drawing if you would no longer be afraid of the darks. Even if the reference photo is too dark to your liking, there is still a very large gap.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Feb-2010/142886-samira-corr.jpg

Your achievement in this class is very good on all other points, move on to acquaint yourself with the darks in class 8 :thumbsup:.

qeenbee
02-24-2010, 08:19 AM
[IMG]http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Feb-2010/120613-20100223_2.JPG http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Feb-2010/120613-20100223_1.JPG

Wow, I didn't realize we were gonna be tested. I really feel like I'm back in school now. Do we get a certificate?:lol: :lol: :thumbsup: Well heres my exam with a pre sketch.

arnoud3272
02-24-2010, 09:00 AM
Bobbie -
Nice job. Good analysis of the basic forms, and nicely worked out.
Only one remark, on composition. I know it is conform to the reference, but you even strengthened the effect, where it would have been better to use your artist's license. That one fold in the bg that continues the line of the spout is blurring the distinction between positive and negative spaces. It is like those amateur snapshots where twigs are growing out of peoples' ears :lol:.
You passed the "test" :lol::lol:. Well, I think "refresher" would have been a better title.
Please move on :thumbsup:.

mindbender
02-28-2010, 08:22 AM
Hi again,
here is the "presketch" for my still life assignment :):
(Derwent 4B on Canson sketch paper)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Feb-2010/186698-Lesson7Sketch.jpg

arnoud3272
02-28-2010, 09:14 AM
Magnus -
Well done :clap:.
Just two comments:
-- the bottom ellipse is not really symmetric, left and right ends have a different curvature. I think it is too round at the right. That is, if I follow the bold line. There is faint line that I feel is the correct one.
-- not important, just as an exercise: look again at the form of the spout. And remember to shift the fold a bit, see comments on previous posts.
You're off to a very good start :thumbsup:.

mindbender
02-28-2010, 04:17 PM
Thanks for feedback, will follow each advice and look forward to starting to shade soon :)

kiffays
03-02-2010, 03:53 AM
hello arnoud,

here is my initial sketch. can't decide what extra item to add to the sketch yet. :)

474074

arnoud3272
03-02-2010, 06:52 AM
kiffays -
You observed the forms and proportions very well. There is only a bit of confusion in the lower right of the pot: you took the shadow for the bottom of the pot. The image is not clear, but that is also why it is advised to draw the complete form, also the hidden parts. If you draw the complete bottom ellipse, you will see the difference. Here is a blow-up of the that corner:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Mar-2010/142886-bottom-detail.jpg

Look forward to your shading :thumbsup:.

kiffays
03-03-2010, 01:35 AM
ah, i missed that out. thanks for your comment. to be honest, i'm really scared to do the shading. :lol:

kiffays
03-06-2010, 01:20 AM
ok, done. the cloth shading is very confusing. :(

474482

arnoud3272
03-06-2010, 04:06 AM
kiffays -
Your rather suggestive shading of the background folds is very effective, it must not take the focus away from the main subject. For the other shading, you hear it already, don't you :evil:, push the darks. The texture of the paper will always show, but you can achieve a better contrast with the highlights. In particular for reflecting surfaces, where you can see deep shadows right next to highlights. A second remark is about the direction of the strokes. You used a consistent 45° stroke. One gets a better impression of volume by following the form. "Latitude" circles on the pot, "longitude" circles on the apple give the best result. On both points, you did very well in class 6, so you can.
The forms are very well observed. That is the main subject of this first series of classes, so yes, move on to a next class :thumbsup:.

m50paul
03-15-2010, 09:36 AM
Here's my shot at class 7 :(

arnoud3272
03-15-2010, 12:12 PM
Paul -
You're progressing well, in particular in observing the light and dark patterns :clap:.
It does no harm in still life, but the proportions are rather off.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Mar-2010/142886-teapot.jpg

That would look very "modern" in say a figure or a portrait.
I like the impressionist mood. Of course, that was a smart move, now the ellipses are hidden :D.
Move on to a next class :thumbsup:.

m50paul
03-15-2010, 01:07 PM
Thanks :D

Tailspin
03-31-2010, 09:12 AM
Hello

Here is my base sketch of the shapes. There are a few little details I couldn't see clearly like the lid latch. The lid itself looks to have a slight tilt in the photo, so I tried to get that in too.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2010/217014-L7-1.jpg

Tailspin

arnoud3272
03-31-2010, 09:37 AM
Tailspin -
Well done, correct proportions :clap:. Take care to avoid the point at the end of the ellipse, at the bottom right it is a tad too sharp. At the top it is very good.
Keep up the good work :thumbsup:

mindbender
04-11-2010, 06:45 AM
Hi again,
finally ready to upload my drawing (got sidetracked doing some other art projects). Added a pencil as "personal thing that means a lot" :)

arnoud3272
04-11-2010, 01:34 PM
Magnus -
Nice job :clap:.
A few points to pay attention to for future work:
-- some of your sketch "construction lines" e.g. for the bottom ellipse, are not blended away in the shading. If you anticipate that problem, lighten, c.q. erase them before shading. Lightening them with a normal eraser can cause smudging, but dabbing with "Blu-tack" (TM) or similar is a very good technique (http://www.sibleyfineart.com/tutorial--erasing-pencil-blu-tack.htm).
-- beware of lines if you are aiming at a tonal rendering: e.g. the outlined edge at the left side of the spout is not consistent with the general style of the drawing. In principle the difference in value should be enough to define an edge; small interruptions are not detrimental, on the contrary - the jargon here is "lost and found edges".
You did very well in this class, move on to a next class :thumbsup:.

mindbender
04-11-2010, 03:37 PM
Thanks a lot. Will try to think about these things for future projects. Thanks for another great class. :clap: See you in the next one :wave:

Tailspin
05-01-2010, 10:21 PM
Hello

Here is my much much delayed final drawing. Sorry about my absence for the past weeks. Getting the new school year rolling is always hectic.:(

Those are my groucho glass in there. An indepensable teaching tool at work. The picture didn't turn out as well as I had hoped, but I had a good time with it.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-May-2010/217014-L7-2.jpg

Tailspin

arnoud3272
05-02-2010, 05:59 AM
Tailspin -
Well done :thumbsup:. Real good fun :lol:.
One point to remember: avoid a - light or dark - halo around the objects. For instance at the upper left of the apple. That occurs very easily when your shading strokes of the background follow the contour of the object. Try always to direct your strokes in a logical way, instead of the most comfortable way. It is also (often) easier to avoid by shading the background first.
Nice job, move on to a next class :thumbsup:.

joetrece
05-07-2010, 06:35 PM
I thought I'd never get this done. Thanks for looking at this.

Joe

joetrece
05-07-2010, 06:36 PM
I meant to explain the shoe: this is a subject I've been trying to draw well for some time. I included it here to get more practice drawing it.

Joe

arnoud3272
05-08-2010, 05:11 AM
Joe -
Nice work. Very well done :clap:.
One comment: you've probably heard already the D&S mantra "push the darks" :D. You have some real darks, but the mid tones are too much concentrated in the light part of the histogram:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-May-2010/142886-histogram.jpg

You get a more powerful expression by stretching the range of mid tones.
You may move on to a next class :thumbsup:.

joetrece
05-08-2010, 04:09 PM
Thanks, Arnoud. Yes, I can definitely see the lack of contrast in my drawing, and the need to push the darks. Discerning values feels a bit challenging to me; I can't wait to really learn how to shade.

By the way, how do you generate that histogram?

Joe

arnoud3272
05-08-2010, 06:16 PM
Joe -

By the way, how do you generate that histogram?
It is one of the functions in most image manipulation programs. (Then "screen grabbed" for uploading.)

joetrece
05-09-2010, 06:01 PM
Thanks, Arnoud! I found the correct function in Gimp.

Joe

Maggie_M
08-21-2010, 12:13 AM
I started this weeks ago. I found that I couldn't seem to get the pot and apple to separate from the background, everything seemed to be all one similar shade of grey. I think I finally solved that problem. I've never tried to draw folds in fabric and found myself spending time practicing and then coming back to this drawing. I think drawing fabric is what I'm going to work on next.

arnoud3272
08-21-2010, 05:14 PM
Maggie -
Excellent job :clap::clap:.
A better understanding of folds is the subject of class 16. Drawing or painting folds is essentially a matter of light and shade, So my advice is to refresh your insight in the "shading formula", for instance well summarized here (http://wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8476861&postcount=4). Or see this very extensive tutorial (http://www.artinstructionblog.com/drawing-lesson-a-theory-of-light-and-shade).
Keep up the good work :thumbsup:.

Maggie_M
08-22-2010, 01:40 PM
Thanks Arnoud.

The extensive tutorial is very good. It is very thorough and informative.

I'm moving on to fabric folds.

muvs32
11-02-2010, 03:38 PM
Hello Around, here is what I have done so far. I need more practice with shading, especially fabric:) I will be checking out the tutorials you referenced in the previous post. Thanks for your time.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Nov-2010/228972-tea_pot_001-1.jpg

arnoud3272
11-03-2010, 08:13 AM
Mark -
Very nice drawing :clap:.
A pity that the image is so small, it is not easy to appreciate it.
As to the forms, the proportion is a bit off as you can see if you put reference and drawing side by side. In particular the spout. A teapot won't complain, but except in caricature, changing one's nose like that would not be appreciated :lol:.
Your shading skills have progressed very well :thumbsup:. Shading is not the main subject of this class, only one remark about visible outlines: outlines are symbols, they show what we know, we can't see outlines, it is an interpretation, or as some people say, we feel them. Drawing outlines is fine when used alone - that is mostly the domain of documentary, technical diagrams, - or combined with a suggestion of shading, either linear (hatching) of tonal, but only accents. If you go for realism, with a complete representation of light and dark, adding outlines (= symbols) means a lack of unity. In some places, e.g. the bottom rim of the pot, what looks like an outline is the narrow dark shadow caused by the form of the seam. But I have indicated a few places where there should not be a darker line between the shadow on the background and the side of the pot:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Nov-2010/142886-tea_pot-corr.jpg

You have without doubt the expected level for this class :thumbsup:.

muvs32
11-03-2010, 11:49 AM
Thanks for the C&C Arnoud. I have picked up some bad habits early on, like thinking that comic book artist were using paper the size of the finished product. :) I was 9-10 and did not know better and began drawing on a small scale. My tea pot and apple is roughly 8x8 but I'm fairly certain that I can do a better job, even with my limited knowledge of shading technique by drawing in large scale. As for the hard edges and outlines, well, that probably comes for the inked comic's artwork, everything had an outline :(

Over-all I am fairly satisfied with my tea pot, though the nose is rather one dimensional...but I intend to do another rendition, with your C&C and my bad habits kept in mind to see if I can improve. Thanks again for your help and praise Arnoud. My skill set is broadening and I'm enjoying the challenges here as well. Great program and site...huzzah for WC!

arnoud3272
11-03-2010, 01:51 PM
.... As for the hard edges and outlines, well, that probably comes for the inked comic's artwork, everything had an outline :(

... though the nose is rather one dimensional... Mark -
Hard outlines "flatten" the enclosed plane indeed. That is OK if there is no intention to "sculpt" the form, as for instance in comics. You can find other examples, from the "fine" arts, in several paintings by Picasso, with very pronounced outlines, but flat color fields inside the outlines.
:wave:

Marie-runion
12-02-2010, 03:02 AM
Hi arnoud, here is my attempt and thanks for looking at this.

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arnoud3272
12-02-2010, 08:31 AM
Marie-Noelle -
You have a good handle on the forms :clap:.
A few hints for improvement:
-- almost all people need careful measuring to put vertical and horizontal sizes in the correct proportion;
-- I lightened the lower reference to show it better. But you can see at the right how you can "push the darks" a lot before coming near the values of the reference;
-- adding the few highlights would render the picture a lot more interesting;

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Dec-2010/142886-marie-noelle-corr.jpg

-- the "washed out" impression could be a scanner artifact, but when I tried to correct it (see here (http://wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=572823) for a good tutorial on it), the strong outlining became very apparent:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Dec-2010/142886-marie-noelle-corr2.jpg

It is a choice of style, but aim for a unity of style: either defined outlines with accents of shading suggesting the forms, or thorough "sculpting" the forms with careful shading. But outlines have no room in the latter case, on the contrary they tend to flatten the form again.
:wave:

LittleBear
12-02-2010, 05:16 PM
I'm looking forward to this class, putting it all together. :) I really like Marie's go at rendering the speckles on the pot, I can see that not many people have attempted them. Are there any tips for those speckles, Arnoud? I'd like to try them myself in addition to the basic shapes. But I'm just not sure how to go about them...

Alex

arnoud3272
12-03-2010, 03:16 PM
Alex -
Are there any tips for those speckles? My tool would be an eraser, such as a "click eraser" or a small piece cut in a chisel edge or a kneaded eraser formed in a cone. I would not advice to try and draw "negatively" around them. It is extremely difficult to make them look believable in that way. In any case, try it out on a scrap of paper (the same paper and pencils you use for the real thing).

LittleBear
12-03-2010, 09:33 PM
Thank you for the advice, Arnoud. I will give it a go. :thumbsup:

Here's my work so far. Any errors in shape (or anything else) before I continue?

Alex

arnoud3272
12-04-2010, 04:36 AM
Alex-
You're off to a good start :thumbsup:.

LittleBear
12-04-2010, 01:03 PM
Another in-progress shot, the first layers of value.
I tried to simulate the stipples on the pot by indenting the paper and then applying graphite over that. It's not as visible as I'd hoped though, so I think I'll end up going back in with the eraser for more definition.
Thanks for looking. :)
Alex

Edit: Forgot to attach the picture, duh. :rolleyes:

arnoud3272
12-04-2010, 02:28 PM
Looks good, Alex :thumbsup:

LittleBear
12-04-2010, 05:12 PM
Thanks Arnoud,

Here's my latest (and maybe final) update. I'm not really satisfied with it, but the paper has started getting saturated and the whole thing is taking on an overworked quality, in my opinion.

With that said, I'm ready for my critique, Teacher :cat: .

Alex

arnoud3272
12-05-2010, 04:55 AM
Alex -
Very good job :clap:.
It is normal that the texture of the paper shows through. Artists who want to avoid that (aiming at "photo-realism") use very smooth paper. But you need a very good technique to draw smoothly on slippery paper, it is easy to result in blotches.
You did a good job with dark shadows, bright highlights and a good range of middle tones :clap:.
I like your "personal note" :lol::lol:.

LittleBear
12-05-2010, 12:03 PM
I don't mind the texture of the paper showing, I definitely am not a photo-realistic type, this paper just wasn't able to take enough correction, I think. It's a new paper I was trying out for the last couple of lessons. I need to find something else, though, I think.

Thanks, as always, for your feedback! Oh, and I'm glad you liked the worm. :) Not exactly a personal object, but I couldn't resist. ;)

Marie-runion
12-07-2010, 02:28 AM
thank you arnoud. I'll try to improve my drawing by following your advice.
It's true that my pictures are not good. thank you for the tutorial, it 's interesting.
I prefer the speckles of littlebear with gum, it's better.

newkidontheblock
01-07-2011, 01:15 AM
Here is my drawing. Done with 2B, 4B and 8B in visual art diary. I can see that the lid is not the correct angle. Are there sufficient dark values? Please tell me where I can improve upon this.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Jan-2011/500681-IMG.jpg
Thanks, Lyn

arnoud3272
01-07-2011, 08:42 AM
Lyn -
Very nice :clap:. Proportions are mainly correct. Only some small details, just FYI, if you aimed at a literal copy:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Jan-2011/142886-lyn-7-corr.jpg

the apple is a bit small; the total width of the pot (spout to handle) is correct, but the body should take a larger part of it.
As for the darks, these are OK in itself. But using only very soft pencils has a double effect, it accentuates the grain of the paper, and you cannot get clean sharp edges. Two aspects that you'd want to avoid when aiming at realistic drawing. But it depends on what you want to achieve, for preliminary designs and "underdrawings" for painting it is quite OK.
Please move on to a next class :thumbsup:.

newkidontheblock
01-07-2011, 07:12 PM
Thanks Arnoud
Yes I can see now about the apple size and lower measurements of pot. Thanks. Which pencils then would you suggest please? I would like to achieve a more realistic effect, especially sharper edges.
Lyn

iqaluit
01-11-2011, 10:40 PM
Here is my basic form drawing. All comments welcome and appreciated http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Jan-2011/216117-class7_forms.jpg

arnoud3272
01-12-2011, 05:51 AM
iqaluit -
Good job :thumbsup:.
Without comparing to the reference, there is a slight problem of perspective: the ellipses are very good, but they are too deep (round). This corresponds to a uncomfortably short distance to the viewer.
If we consider it as an exercise, your drawing is narrower than the reference. Or longer :lol:, but the common advice is to correct the width, not the height.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Jan-2011/142886-iqaluit-class7_forms-corr.jpg

You certainly are off to a good start.
:wave:

iqaluit
01-12-2011, 10:39 AM
thanks Arnoud, I will make the changes and start with the tonal values

iqaluit
01-14-2011, 10:07 PM
My submission for class 7. Looking forward to learning and working on light and shadow. It may not be clear, the personal addition is a chess pawn.
Thanks for any comments orhttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Jan-2011/216117-class_7.jpg corrections

arnoud3272
01-15-2011, 05:05 AM
iqaluit -
Nice finish :clap:.
I feel some places would gain by being rendered darker, but that will be treated extensively in class 8. Very well, move on to next class :thumbsup:

inkslinger427
03-01-2011, 05:23 PM
and here we have the layout sketch of my pot/apple still life. Hows it coming? proportions and structure ok?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Mar-2011/556291-A_FINE_POT_SKETCH.JPG

inkslinger427
03-01-2011, 09:37 PM
I've managed to get some more done on this still life. tell me what you think.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Mar-2011/556291-A_FINE_POT2.JPG

arnoud3272
03-02-2011, 03:36 AM
Tim -
proportions and structure ok? Construction is well done :clap:. As to proportion, strictly speaking the pot is too fat :).

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Mar-2011/142886-tim-POT-corr.JPG

Is it important? Not really for still life, but most people tend to exaggerate always in the same sense, too broad or too narrow. So it is good to learn to observe it. Teapots won't complain, but people will :lol:.
The shading is coming along fine, but take care not to loose the highlights, keep the paper free. You lost the brightest highlight on the apple, upper left.
:thumbsup:

inkslinger427
03-02-2011, 10:03 AM
Thanks for the constructive input, I need to stay more cognizent of the size issue and do better with that. Meantime, if its acceptable to you, I'm going to leave this pot "fat" and call it good. I made some changes and think its much better ;) :clap: :lol: Hope you like it! :thumbsup: I do need to improve my shading skills, to get a broader value range to define more areas.:D

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Mar-2011/556291-1_coffee_pot.JPG

my printer is running out of ink, and when I printed the ref. photo, it printed MUCH lighter then original. I intended to use original for shading definition, but the more I looked at it, the more I liked the extreme value difference in the backdrop cloth. I surly do hope this meets with your approval. By the way, did you get a chance to check out that web site for Lindsay publishing?

inkslinger427
03-02-2011, 02:10 PM
i guess I should've waited to post. heres the final go, do or die, stand or run, etc. etc. etc. Hope ya' like it. All my friends do!! the improvement in my skillset and level is awesome and we're just getting started! It's all thanks to you arnoud, and I want to thank you once again. :music: :thumbsup:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Mar-2011/556291-1__astounding_pot.JPG

arnoud3272
03-02-2011, 03:10 PM
Tim -
Nice result :clap:. Yes, well done.
I do need to improve my shading skills, That is exactly the subject of class 8 :thumbsup:.
Please move on :music:
---------------
did you get a chance to check out that web site for Lindsay publishing?Yes, but the publications are only on "real" paper, and trans-ocean mail has a minimum cost, relatively too expensive.
:)

Magdalena Ladwik
05-23-2011, 05:05 PM
Hello :wave:
Arnoud could You take a look at the outline please and let me know if that's ok? I uploaded 2 because first is very fade (I used lightly HB pencil) and second is a "fixed" version :wink2: (is that all right for You?).
And there is one thing that I want to ask You...before the outline I draw few lines which helped me with proportions and sizes (You can see them, I didn't erase them yet). I wondered if that's the good way for now on as I am a beginner or should I measure proportions with pencil and forget about the lines? Sorry if I confused You :)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/../Community/images/23-May-2011/952977-one.JPG (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/../Community/Uploader/upload_image_save2.php#)http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/../Community/images/23-May-2011/952977-two.JPG (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/../Community/Uploader/upload_image_save2.php#)

Thank You in advance
Magdalena

arnoud3272
05-24-2011, 02:36 AM
Magdalena - Nice job.
It is a very good idea to "box-in" the large shapes. The best way to practice to draw accurately is to first put down these guidelines (and later the outline) on sight, then measure and correct. Measuring with a knitting needle or so is more accurate than a pencil.
As to the current drawing, you'd better used some more guidelines:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-May-2011/142886-magdalena-7.jpg

You're doing very well, keep it up :thumbsup:.

Magdalena Ladwik
05-29-2011, 04:28 PM
Hello, I used some more guidelines. Arnoud could You take a look and let me know if now is correct, please? Thank You!


http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/../Community/images/29-May-2011/952977-EPSON035.JPG (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/../Community/Uploader/upload_image_save2.php#)

arnoud3272
05-29-2011, 05:00 PM
Very good, Magdalena - please carry on :thumbsup:

Magdalena Ladwik
06-07-2011, 05:27 PM
Hello :) I think that class 7 assignment is ready to upload, anyway I do not know what else could I change/add/delete. I would be delighted if You review what I have done, Arnoud. Thank You!
Magdalena
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/../Community/images/07-Jun-2011/952977-EPSON036.JPG (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/../Community/Uploader/upload_image_save2.php#)

arnoud3272
06-08-2011, 09:53 AM
Magdalena - Very well done :clap:. Good forms and a very nice "modeling" in the shading.

In general - not at all related to this class - I'd suggest to consider two things. And I really mean consider, it is a question of choice.
-- You did use the complete range of values, but mostly the lighter values, your drawing is in "high key". Experiment with using more of the darker mid tones, observe how that changes the mood of a drawing.
-- Consider your choice of paper. You chose to draw in a "realistic" way, with smooth gradations, no traces of individual strokes. I'd prefer to use a less textured paper for that style. IMO showing a strong paper texture is more consistent with a loose "painterly" style, with strong lines and expressive marks.
See you in one of the next classes :thumbsup:.

Magdalena Ladwik
06-09-2011, 05:48 AM
Thank You for Your review and helpful advice. As usual I will keep it in mind and remember in future. For this class I used watercolor paper, I wanted to try how it looks like :) When I watch other people's "low key" drawing I really like this effect. Honestly, I tried a few times to do dark dramatic drawings but always ended up much lighter than my intention was :) I am going to experiment soon and also get less textured paper :wink2: (so my next assignment is going to be not on the watercolor paper :lol:

Sandra39
06-11-2011, 08:21 PM
Dear Arnoud;
I skipped to do Class 8 and now coming back to take the Exam just because I like to do still life. I usually used other medium such as Acrylic or Watercolor, I found doing it in color pencils is more difficult. I have problem in not being able to cover the white paper. It shows white holes here and there. I figure I may have to do more layers of pencils but my fingers get so tired I had to stop. I happen to have Carpal Tunnel Syndrome on both wrists so I better not choose color pencils as my favorite medium.

For this painting, I used Walnut Hollow pencils because I already have them. I also used Lyra color pencils, regular 2B and 4B when needed.

My own addition to this picture is the little plum. I love to do plums,grapes and peaches in oil.

Thanks again Arnoud for reviewing my pictures and those of other people. You are selfless and dedicated in helping us to do better.

Sandi C.

Sandra39
06-11-2011, 09:32 PM
Hi Arnoud;
I just saw some flaws in the apple and the plum, there are some lines that shouldn't be showing, I will fix them and take pics. to upload in the morning.

Thanks,
Sandi C.

arnoud3272
06-12-2011, 06:57 AM
Sandi - Good job :clap:, even before the last corrections.
As to some white of the paper shining through, why not accept it ? The sculptor Henry Moore was a fervent fan of the "truth to materials", stone should not be made to look like flesh. Colored pencils do not need to look like acrylic. BTW, there is a class on colored pencils here: class 32 (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=316172)
:).

Sandra39
06-12-2011, 08:26 AM
Thanks so much Arnoud for reviewing and for your info. on color pencils class. Will check it later.
Here is the corrected picture. Please note I have added the reflected lights on the apple, plum and the kettle. Still not happy with the fabric folds. I want them to be softer but will try again on my own or maybe after checking out the color pencil class.
All in all it has been a very good experience for me drawing under your eyes. Will continue with these classes as far as I can go.
Have a wonderful weekend Arnoud. Hope it is warming up in your neck of the wood.

Sandi C.

arnoud3272
06-12-2011, 09:13 AM
Looks very good, Sandi, nice job :clap:.

maisygrrl
06-22-2011, 11:14 AM
Here's my preliminary drawing. I think I need to scale it down a bit when I transfer it -- the coffee pot is sort of overwhelming the page, and the bristol board I'm going to transfer it to is the same size as the sketchpad. I'm also not sure the spindle is working out where I put it. It's longer than the depth of field in the original photo would allow for -- I thought about trying to make it look like the end of it's hidden in a fold of drapery instead but was concerned it might just look like I forgot to draw the end of it. The far end looks as though it's levitating, so maybe I just angled it poorly?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jun-2011/968565-2011-06-21-still-life-wip-resized.jpg

arnoud3272
06-22-2011, 03:48 PM
Daisy - Well done, the forms are correctly copied, save for a small point: the bottom ellipse is not symmetric. If you sketch the complete ellipse, also the hidden parts, it becomes obvious:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jun-2011/142886-daisy-still-life-ellipse.jpg

For the spindle: it is a perspective issue. Now there are no cubes to guide you in this picture, but compare top and bottom ellipses: the EL must be somewhat between them:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jun-2011/142886-daisy-still-life-EL.jpg

And so the end of the spindle must be somewhere under the EL, just take a guess:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jun-2011/142886-daisy-still-life-moved.jpg

:thumbsup:

maisygrrl
07-21-2011, 12:40 PM
I'm not really sure whether this is finished or not, but I've been fussing over it off and on for weeks. At this point I think I'm starting to make things worse, so I figured I'd post what I've got and get some feedback.

I think the background blends in with everything else too much, and that maybe goes back to what you were telling me about trying to show different textures. I just haven't quite worked out how to do that yet.

I like the way the apple turned out. The spindle is really messy. I was drawing it from memory most of the time, since I wound the yarn off it and started spinning something else without thinking to take a photo first. I ought to rework it entirely from whatever I've got on it now. The drapery is probably at least half done from my imagination -- I kept losing track of which bit I was drawing and ended up making up a lot of it.

This is on smooth bristol, so I think any remaining weird texture in the shading is officially poor technique on my part :lol: I know I need to practice a lot more. My shading is sort of haphazard - I'm planning on doing the shading class after this one and hopefully that will help me improve things.

Thanks for looking!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Jul-2011/968565-2011-07-21-still-life-resized.jpg

arnoud3272
07-21-2011, 02:56 PM
Daisy - Nice work :clap:. You learned a lot with the practice in this class. You might not be completely satisfied, but I think this is very good. After all, this class is still primarily about shapes.
I think the background blends in with everything else too much I like it, it is artistic :thumbsup:. A drawing or painting where all outlines are clearly defined - even only by value, without using lines -, is less interesting than one with "lost and found" edges.
Please move on to the next class :music:.

Weatherman
08-06-2011, 12:39 PM
Time to do another class. Heres the outline. Hope it will suffice.

Einar
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Aug-2011/216509-img142.jpg

arnoud3272
08-06-2011, 05:55 PM
Einar - Very good job on the outline and shadow mapping :clap:.
I show here an emphasized version for the benefit of other pupils :thumbsup:.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Aug-2011/142886-einar-cmp.jpg
Keep it going.

Weatherman
08-11-2011, 05:01 PM
Heres the drawing - slightly out of focus.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Aug-2011/216509-IMG_1324.JPG

arnoud3272
08-12-2011, 05:36 AM
Extremely well done, Einar.:clap::clap: Correct forms, exquisite shading and a nice suggestion of texture.
There is only one thing that bothers me a bit, of a more general level, not directly related to the subject matter of this class. This drawing, if restricted to one of the objects, would be a very fine illustration, e.g. in an encyclopedia. But here we have a still life, a composition, and it is strange that these objects seem to float in outer space. Some base to rest on would be nice. Particularly because the apple casts its shadow on the pot, and is then "cut out".
As the final assignment of this class is about adding a personal touch, you could design a base/background different from the folds in the reference.
:thumbsup:

Weatherman
08-13-2011, 07:11 AM
Arnoud !

Thanks for the comments. Yes I can see that now - it is "floating in space" - I will add a background and repost. By the time I got this far I was tired, having used a lot of time with a new way of drawing with this one. You see, I just recently bought Anthony Ryders book - after reading a thread abount "slinkies" here at the forum a few weeks ago. I have tried to use his approach to drawing with this one, except for the hatching. I constantly keep falling back to "circulism".

Einar

arnoud3272
08-13-2011, 07:17 AM
:thumbsup:

Weatherman
08-29-2011, 12:24 PM
I`ve added a background. I had to hurry a bit with it, but at least its given the teapot and the apple a world to live in.

Einar
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Aug-2011/216509-IMG_1376.JPG

arnoud3272
08-29-2011, 02:44 PM
Very nice, Einar, this completes it perfectly :clap:. Well done, you're ready for a next class :thumbsup:.

Weatherman
08-29-2011, 05:53 PM
Thank you Arnoud for your help with the lesson.

Einar

Gingerbread
10-29-2011, 08:36 AM
Arnoud,
Below is my sketch of the still life. I'm struggling to make it look straight and once you look at it I'm going to work on shading it in. I'm going to try better line quality like you mentioned. Let's see if that works out. :crossfingers:

Thanks,
Jennifer
:)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Oct-2011/978288-Class_7_Still_life.JPG

arnoud3272
10-29-2011, 01:11 PM
Jennifer - Well done :clap:. The utmost accuracy is not critical for a still life, contrary to for instance a portrait. So you may go ahead with the shading :thumbsup:.
But it gives me the occasion to show you one of the methods to improve accuracy. I applied it to the photo, but it is equally useful in drawing from life - use something like a knitting needle. Check with horizontal and vertical "plumb lines" which features should correspond. Look also for the "negative shapes" between the object and the plumb line.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Oct-2011/142886-jennifer_Still_life-corr.JPG

Keep up the good work :thumbsup:

Gingerbread
10-29-2011, 10:06 PM
Arnoud,
Thanks for the feedback. I will try to use one of my knitting needles, in the future, to improve accuracy in portraits. I've left it as it is for now and here is the shaded version. I had some trouble with the apple and the folds but liked using the blending tools.

Here it is.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Oct-2011/978288-Still_Life_12.jpg

Jennifer :)

arnoud3272
10-30-2011, 09:01 AM
Jennifer - I'm a bit confused... does this correspond more or less with the real work, in terms of tone (light and dark)? If so, I don't think it's finished. It is a very good "underpainting", with the general shapes of tonal areas. But it is all too much the same tone. Now is the time to make it "pop", with dark accents and highlights. Don't forget that erasers are not just for correcting, they serve as valuable drawing implements. "Kneaded" erasers are good for drawing gentle lights, while standard erasers are very good for the reflecting highlights - with their sharp edges and high contrast.
If your drawing is much lighter IRL, then I'd say it misses the necessary dark areas. A drawing with realistic shading should show a good range of tones, with mostly subtle mid tones, but not without some really dark and white accents.
Keep it up :thumbsup:.

Gingerbread
10-30-2011, 09:12 AM
Arnoud,
I had a lot of issues with scanning the image. At first, it wast first too light and then the image I uploaded was too dark. UGH!:crying: This image is closer to what it looks like but I'm going to lighten it more to see if I can add the mid-tones and make it look a little better.

Thanks so much for looking at it. :)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Oct-2011/978288-Still_Life_9.JPG

arnoud3272
10-30-2011, 10:28 AM
Jenifer -
add the mid-tones and make it look a little better.
:thumbsup:.
And apply some dark accents as well. Also, observe how some highlights are very bright and clearly delineated - the so called "specular", from Latin speculum, mirror, highlights.

:wave:

Gingerbread
10-30-2011, 11:16 AM
Arnoud,
Here's my update. I've added more darks and used the eraser a great deal on the image. I didn't do the folds very well at all. :(

Thanks :)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Oct-2011/978288-Still_Life_24.jpg

arnoud3272
10-30-2011, 01:34 PM
Jennifer - :clap::clap: Very nice result. You may be proud of it. As to the folds, that is a chapter on its own (there is even a separate class for it).
Please move on :thumbsup:.

Gingerbread
10-30-2011, 03:17 PM
Super, thanks, Arnoud. I will try another class. :)

latedrawer
11-21-2011, 12:06 AM
Greetings Arnoud. Here is a preliminary sketch. I experimented with "drawing" lines on a copy of the photo displayed on my monitor. I placed similar lines on my paper plus a center line. I was able to make corrections to the apple after reading your suggestions to Jennifer. I didn't think to use more sighting checks until I read it:o I think the proportions are correct:crossfingers: There might be too much line between the apple and the spout. Any suggestions would be welcome. Carole

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arnoud3272
11-21-2011, 12:43 PM
Carole - Good job so far :thumbsup:.
The sketch is too narrow in proportion, compared with the reference.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Nov-2011/142886-carole-coffeepot-corr.jpg

And a caveat on an aspect of composition: move that fold that seems to come out of the spout. It is important to avoid confusion between positive and negative shapes (roughly translated as object and background). It is like those amateur snapshots with a branch growing out of the ear of the girlfriend :lol:.

latedrawer
11-21-2011, 01:57 PM
Arnoud, thank for the input!

What software program are you using to compare the drawing to the reference? (Photoshop? GIMP? )

I've been trying to print the reference and use that to check my proportions. Obviously, this hasn't been as successful as your procedure. I think that involves scanning the drawing and comparing it to the reference photo. So I'm becoming interested in a good software program--even though I said I didn't want to get into a lot of tech stuff:D
Carole

arnoud3272
11-21-2011, 05:39 PM
What software program are you using to compare the drawing to the reference? (Photoshop? GIMP? ) Carole - I use GIMP.
In overview:
Open the scan. Scale down to about 400 pixels. Size the canvas to double width and height. Twice Open as Layer the reference. Twice Scale Layer to get the main vertical dimension equal on reference and work. Move layers into alignment. New Layer for the "plumb" lines.

In Photoshop some commands will be different.
:wave:

latedrawer
11-22-2011, 02:46 AM
Thank you for the information about GIMP. It gave me the overview I needed to give it a try.

Attached is the drawing for class 7. The coffee pot still seems too tall for the apple, but I think I'll have to start over to fix that.

I looked ahead to class 8 on shading and tried to apply some of those techniques. But the result doesn't really capture the smoothness of the pot or the apple. The scan seems a bit grainy, but the drawing isn't really much better.:( I'll just have to keep practicing:D
Let me know if you think I should give it another try.
Carole
694386

arnoud3272
11-22-2011, 11:21 AM
Carole - Well done. This is a nice drawing for the level of this class :clap:.
Most subjects do not require a very accurate copy, but it is good to train it, to be ready for e.g. portraits where you'll need accuracy to capture the likeness.
On the subject of shading, details are for next class, but it is a fact that choice of paper and / or pencil grades / types have an important influence on the texture of the drawing. On the other hand, it is a matter of style what you prefer :thumbsup:
Please move on to the next class, I assume it will be class 8 :)

eBatas
12-12-2011, 04:28 PM
Im new to this class and to the forum as well. So first of all, Hi :)

eBatas
12-12-2011, 04:29 PM
I've been drawing for about 2 weeks now and i still don't know much about drawing. But the classes are really helpful, as i am preparing to go to art academy. I need all the help i can get.

eBatas
12-12-2011, 04:30 PM
This is my first ever still life :smug:
(sorry for triple posting but thats the only way to upload my work)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Dec-2011/983110-class7_full.JPG http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Dec-2011/983110-class7_part1.JPG http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Dec-2011/983110-class7_part2.JPG

arnoud3272
12-12-2011, 05:41 PM
I've been drawing for about 2 weeks now and i still don't know much about drawing. But the classes are really helpful, as i am preparing to go to art academy. I need all the help i can get. Welcome to the classroom :).
Did you read the "Start Here!" (http://wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=582502) thread?

eBatas
12-13-2011, 01:17 PM
Oh, sorry :o i guess i got ahead of myself. I will introduce myself properly there.

LindaGal
01-25-2012, 04:19 AM
I started this and tried to do everything properly - got 3/4 way through it and realized I was out in the length - so obvious when you stand back:evil: . Dont want to re do it now!
:(
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jan-2012/974162-pot.jpg

arnoud3272
01-25-2012, 07:19 AM
Linda - Good job :clap:. Well done for this class.
On another note, observe how difficult it is to conclude what the drawing is about. For your further development, try to make the main subject stand out, for instance by better contrast to the background, or better contrast in its different features, or so. Note: this does not mean that there must be a clear edge with the background all around.
Please move on to a next class :thumbsup:.

LindaGal
01-25-2012, 07:01 PM
thanks Arnoud - agree that it needs more work to bring out the features. On to the next challenge!

wendyc1276
02-04-2012, 07:56 AM
Here is my attempt. I really botched the front of the lid, but when I tried to correct, the graphite was going on really coarsely, so I just reshaped the lid. The ellipse at the bottom also got out of shape as I was doing the shading...funny how things grow and shrink from the original drawing, no matter how carefully we placed everything.
I've found that I need better light, a better table, and updated glasses to draw better :-) I've been just sitting on the couch in the living room, using the table lamp - probably not ideal for posture or accurate drawing.
A few things I really DID like about this drawing...I like that I was able to convey a sense of the rolled metal bead around the bottom and the edge of the spout. I like the way the apple came out, especially the stem. I like the way some of the background came out...it's been eons since I've tried to draw folds. This finished size is about 5x7, the paper is 11x14 cut in half.

I also experimented with different paper for this, rather than using my sketchbook. I thought the bristol would smooth things out, since my sketchbook paper is very rough, but oddly enough, the bristol looks about the same "roughness" even though it feels a bit smoother - I have vellum bristol, but I may end up getting some smooth as well. There is one out now that is vellum on one side, smooth on the other. Nice idea!

My next drawing will probably be on Stonehenge, I'm trying out a lot of different papers.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Feb-2012/201691-img058.jpg

arnoud3272
02-04-2012, 08:43 AM
Wendy - Very nice :clap::clap:. Exquisite shading, both on the apple and the pot. As for the shortcomings you saw yourself, I think the crooked lid is acceptable, result of heavy use. The pointed bottom is less acceptable.
But all in all, this is a very good job, please move on to a next class :thumbsup:

Felisa
02-29-2012, 11:00 AM
The teapot. Not too happy with it.

Thank you for the links they were really useful. I could not find the click eraser but I found the kneaded eraser that is quite useful.

As always thank you for your help.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Feb-2012/122109-teapot.jpg

arnoud3272
02-29-2012, 05:36 PM
Elisa - Nice work :clap:. The forms are very well defined, and a good start on the shading. You are completely on the level for this class.
A slight remark on the subject of outside edges. You did very well to avoid the linear indication of the outline, but even when determining it only by the difference of shades, don't be afraid of "losing" the edge occasionally. It is rather disturbing if you clearly darkened the background for no other reason than to show the edge (of the apple, here).
Well done, please move on :thumbsup:

mayana
03-14-2012, 08:55 AM
Hello Arnoud,
I found out my paper is rough, so this is the result...and I still struggle a lot to do the fold!!!HELP!!!!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Mar-2012/164039-exam.jpeg

arnoud3272
03-14-2012, 01:59 PM
mayana - Very nicely done :clap:. Only one crit: the pot (=cone) is not rigorously symmetrical:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Mar-2012/142886-mayana-exam.jpeg

The shading is very well executed, even the folds are not bad for the level of this class :thumbsup:. Folds are really only an applicarion of "modeling" with light and shade, I'd recommend class 8 for the basic principles, and there is class 16 specifically on folds.
Keep up the good work :).

Panth
06-06-2012, 03:18 AM
Hi, this is the outline of the picture. Please let me know if the basic lines are okay, or else if I need to change them. I will then go on to shading it in! thanks, Prabha:)

arnoud3272
06-06-2012, 05:35 AM
Prabha - Well done, you're off to a good start :clap:.
One remark though, look again at the bottom right of the pot: there is a sharp point instead of the rounded end of an ellipse.
It is hidden in the shadow, but one should draw the complete ellipse in a study, also the part that cannot be seen. That will guard against this error. I have manipulated the reference a bit. You see that the corner is nicely rounded off. There is even a extra bead, caused by the tinsmith's seam.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Oct-2009/142886-bottom-detail.jpg
Keep up the good work :thumbsup:.

Panth
06-06-2012, 09:52 AM
Thanks Arnoud, yes I see it now, and will correct my drawing accordingly. Will post the finished work after shading. See you soon, Prabha:wave:

Panth
06-08-2012, 10:56 AM
Hi, this is my drawing for the test. I put in another apple as it would go well with the other, and put black dots not white on the can. As usual the photo does not show the drawing as clearly. Prabha:wave:

arnoud3272
06-08-2012, 02:59 PM
Prabha - Well done :clap:. Nice shading, and your "personal" addition is well thought out.
One thing to guard against - that is, when intending to draw realistically - is to put explicit outlines around the objects (that is identifying what you know about the object, not what you see). In particular when not needed to identify the edge, e.g. because the background is already darker than the object.
Please move on to a next class :thumbsup:.

Panth
06-11-2012, 11:01 AM
Hi Arnoud! Thanks. I now understand about the outline of objects which you have pointed out, and will look out to avoid it. See you soon. Prabha:wave:

docxart
07-06-2012, 09:02 PM
Hello,
Here is my attempt at the exam drawing. I am having difficulty doing the cloth folds. Any suggestions?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Jul-2012/1074922-Class_7_001.jpg

Qadir

arnoud3272
07-07-2012, 05:11 PM
Qadir - As you indicated when starting that you are a water colorist in the first place, I understand that your interest is in the outlines - as a guide for painting. For finished drawings in a realistic style, there should be no emphasis on outlines.
But as an exercise to improve your drawing skills, you'd better try to copy the forms exactly. For instance, the top ellipse of the pot is nicely drawn, but you invented it. Remember the motto of this classroom, the book by de Reyna , is "draw what you see, not what you think there is".

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Jul-2012/142886-qadir-Class_7.jpg

If you're good at computers you can use this overlay technique (http://wetcanvas.com/Articles2/2921/521/) to check your work.
:wave:

docxart
07-08-2012, 09:24 AM
Thanks Arnoud,
I did not notice the inverted ellipse until you mentioned it. Can I do the overlay technique with any program other than "photoshop" -- like "paint" for example?

arnoud3272
07-08-2012, 10:24 AM
...Can I do the overlay technique with any program other than "photoshop" -- like "paint" for example? Not "any" program :(.
But it works very well with the free program GIMP, original is for UNIX, but here (http://gimp-win.sourceforge.net/stable.html) is a port to Windows. It is very powerful, but a bit difficult to understand with only the built-in help. However there is a very extended tutorial (http://gimp-savvy.com/BOOK/index.html) available on line :thumbsup:.

docxart
07-08-2012, 12:02 PM
OK, thanks.

ricksherny
07-20-2012, 07:07 AM
I decided to take a shot at this, it was more difficult than it looked, but I had a LOT of fun working on it.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jul-2012/1072372-still.jpg

arnoud3272
07-20-2012, 09:39 AM
Rick - Well done :clap:.
I like your "personal touch".
Please move on to a next class :thumbsup:.

ricksherny
07-20-2012, 09:54 AM
Thank you I am glad you like it. I have done class 8 already, which one would you recommend that I move onto next?

arnoud3272
07-20-2012, 03:24 PM
... which one would you recommend that I move onto next? It is your choice really, it depends on whether you like to try other drawing media besides graphite and/or your interest in certain subjects: portrait, figure, animals,...
That said, I think that class 10 - if you follow the 3 stages as indicated - is important in teaching you the "academical" sequence of drawing (or painting): first the correct big shapes (often as line drawing), then the general planes of light and dark, and only in the end stage the small details, dark accents, highlights.

:thumbsup:

meganj
08-09-2012, 01:10 PM
Here is my line drawing, I think I'm going to add an eraser as a personal item!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Aug-2012/67498-107__stilllife.jpg

meganj
08-09-2012, 02:09 PM
Here is the drawing, no eraser. I call it "still life with mouse."

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Aug-2012/67498-107_still_life_with_mouse.jpg

arnoud3272
08-09-2012, 03:06 PM
Megan - Well done :clap:.
You've a nice sketchy style :thumbsup:.

Mahbubani
08-23-2012, 02:59 PM
Hello Arnoud,
Hope you are having a good day.
Here is my initial sketch of the assignment:crossfingers:

arnoud3272
08-23-2012, 04:04 PM
Mona - Well done, very accurate line drawing :clap:.
One remark on a general principle (of composition) not something for this class. Don't copy the fold that prolongs the spout of the pot, move it more aside.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Aug-2012/142886-mona-pot.jpg

It is best to get a clear distinction between positive and negative (in this case the background) shapes. Think about those snapshot photos where leaves seem to grow out of peoples ears :lol:.

Mahbubani
08-23-2012, 04:16 PM
:lol: got it. Just made the change .I'll post my finished assignment soon.
Thanks for all your help.:D

Mahbubani
08-24-2012, 11:04 AM
Hello Arnoud,
Here is my assignment.
I had a hard time figuring out the folds in the backdrop.
hope the kettle and the apple turned out ok.
Regards

arnoud3272
08-24-2012, 04:19 PM
Mona - Nice drawing, well done :clap:.
I like how you added the shading. But one thing to guard against - that is, when intending to draw realistically - is to put explicit outlines around the objects (that is identifying what you know about the object, not what you see). In particular when not needed to identify the edge, e.g. because the background is already darker than the object.
A good example is at the right side of the apple, see how it is the reference.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Aug-2012/142886-lost-edge.jpg

Please move on to a next class :thumbsup:.

Mahbubani
08-24-2012, 04:29 PM
Thanks for pointing it out. That outline was not required.

pratya.amrit
09-11-2012, 03:52 AM
hey Arnoud
hope things are well with u....
m really sorry for not posting for so long.. i was a bit busy with my college assignments nd tests.. :)

got some free time today so jst sketched my first try at the assignment.... :D

plz review it..
waiting for ur comments so can move on.. :D

arnoud3272
09-11-2012, 04:43 PM
Pratya - Well done :clap:.
One remark - not important in still life, but it is for instance for portraiture:
Observe how the apple is not in the correct proportion to the pot, compared with the reference: as a fast check while drawing: look how the right side of the apple is on the same plumb line as the left top of the pot.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Sep-2012/142886-pratya-pot.jpg

Keep up the good work :thumbsup:.

pratya.amrit
09-13-2012, 01:17 PM
hey arnoud thnx 4 ur valuable advice.... here is how far i have reached after spending 4 consecutive hours with the apple nd a bit with the handle.. :)
w8in 4 ur reply.... :D

arnoud3272
09-13-2012, 05:35 PM
You're very dedicated, Pratya. Very nice rendering :clap::clap:.
Clearly you're not afraid of the dark :thumbsup:. But take care that you keep a good balance of light and dark. It is still OK now, but don't loose the lights :).
You're on the right track, keep it up :thumbsup:.

pratya.amrit
09-13-2012, 10:04 PM
hey Arnoud
actually i didnt used the gray scale image may be thts y i went tht dark.. :(
but as ur guidance i have corrected it as far as i can..
plz have a look of it.. :D

arnoud3272
09-14-2012, 03:20 AM
:thumbsup:

pratya.amrit
09-14-2012, 06:14 AM
so far so good.. near 2 complition.. plz let me knw any area of improvement..
thnx..
pratya.... :)

arnoud3272
09-14-2012, 03:09 PM
Pratya - Very well done as it stands already:clap::clap:.
plz let me know any area of improvement.. My only concern has no relation to this class, it is of a general nature for all visual arts: the principle of balance in variety. On both B&W copies of the reference in this thread, the apple and pot share the same basic shade:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Sep-2012/142886-graypot.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Sep-2012/142886-teapot-apple-gray.jpg

OK, I prefer the lighter version of the two :).
:wave:

pratya.amrit
09-15-2012, 12:17 AM
thnx arnoud
i tried to match them as close i could.. :)
hope u like it now.. :D

i also added the personal touch.. there were a lot of things going in my mind abt tht frm fairies 2 naughty devils :evil:
i even thought of drawing a self caricature.. but tht wud take a lot of reshadin nd i think the paper had enough :lol:
after lot of darkness light nd shadowes this little naughty creature came as an angel.... :angel:
so i decided to draw it there..
let me introduce him..
his name is MITTHU.... my pet parrot.... :D :)

i was to call it finished bt nw m seeing there indeed need of bit more shadin.. :|

plz let me knw ur opinion..
u r really helpful..
i really appreciate ur selfless efforts.. :clap:
:wave:

arnoud3272
09-15-2012, 02:47 AM
Pratya - Very nice :clap:.
I wouldn't touch it, at least wait a few days before you look at it again :thumbsup:.
Please move on to a next class :music:.

pratya.amrit
09-15-2012, 05:07 AM
ok arnoud nd thnx.... i will look at it again after i complete the next class...
see u there....
:wave:

crafor
09-20-2012, 04:41 PM
Hello Arnoud,
Here is my test paper. My personal item is a small booklet I was given: JOY, THE PERFECT GIFT. I realize now the size of the booklet is off--it's a bit small. Not by much, but small.
Nonetheless, some things I'm learning are to see better, take more time, pay attention to details. I'm learning to measure more carefully. That an eraser is a drawing tool. Thanks for your help in my learning.
Ella
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Sep-2012/978289-P9200127.JPG

arnoud3272
09-20-2012, 05:46 PM
Well done, Ella :clap:, nice shading.
Please move on to a next class :thumbsup:.

lajale
10-07-2012, 01:07 PM
Here is my line drawing, I hope its fine.
Im still not sure about the personal item :wink2:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Oct-2012/1049812-Sketch.jpg

arnoud3272
10-07-2012, 03:08 PM
Chris - Very well done :clap:. An accurate contour drawing :thumbsup:.

lajale
10-10-2012, 04:57 AM
Hi Arnoud,

here is my assignment for the exam:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Oct-2012/1049812-Still_Life_Fertig.jpg

The personal item is something I found on the walk with the dog yesterday and it reminds on a movie Three nuts for Cinderella. They show it on the German TV every Christmas and I saw it many times. Although these are not nuts (it is acorn), I think someone used the nut for the wedding dress already because the biggest one is missing. ;)

arnoud3272
10-10-2012, 08:39 AM
Very nice rendering, Chris :clap:.
Please move on to a next class :thumbsup:.

ElleZ
01-06-2013, 07:10 PM
Hi Arnoud,
I hope you had a great Christmas and New Year, I have returned to continue with these lessons. I have been spending time in the Pastel forums, mainly reading through heaps.
Anyway, (excusing the bad photo) here is my sketch for this lesson.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Jan-2013/150751-lesson7Exam_Stage1.jpg

When I hear from you, I'll move onto the shading stage.
Thanks.

arnoud3272
01-07-2013, 05:38 PM
Elle - You're off to a good start :clap:. The forms are well interpreted.
For your education, the width to height proportion of the pot is not correct, compared to the reference.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Jan-2013/142886-elle-outline.jpg

Keep up the good work :thumbsup:.

ElleZ
01-08-2013, 12:26 AM
Hi Arnoud,

'blush' I fixed that up after I posted it, because I could see the errors, but forgot to post my fixed up one, I should learn to name the same, if I have that fact right, my newer one would show up...ummm will check that out sometime.
Anyway, I checked this one in PSP last night, then today did the shading, X'ing fingers it's ok....no personal item. Also need to find some blu-tac, as my poor old putty eraser's chockas of graphite.
I scanned this image, not sure that I like the scan but....
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Jan-2013/150751-Lesson7-shadedFixed.jpg this is done on canson 220gsm "C" grain, with progresso 2b & 4b only.
Anyway, will wait on your insightful C&C.

arnoud3272
01-08-2013, 01:05 PM
Looks good Elle :clap:,
that is as far as I can judge, because the image is highly pixelated :(.
I'm sure your scanner can do better. I think you scanned in low resolution, 72 dpi or so. Try to find how to change the setting to 300 dpi. Or perhaps you saved the "preview" ?
Anyway, I have the impression that your artwork is very well done :thumbsup:.
:wave:

ElleZ
01-08-2013, 03:07 PM
Thanks Arnoud, see you in the next class.

Mike_Art
02-26-2013, 11:31 PM
Hey Arnoud,

It's been a while since I've been able to attend these classes, or designate any time to art, for that matter. Hopefully I'll be able to stay on track from now on.

Here is what I have so far. Please let me know what you think.

Thanks for your time and patience with us! We all appreciate it. :clap:

- Mike_Art

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Feb-2013/1074162-Basic101_Class_7.jpg

arnoud3272
02-27-2013, 05:35 AM
Michael - Welcome back :).
It looks good. I don't know your aim about improving your skills in drawing the accurate forms and proportions - essential for portraits. If you want comments on that, you'd better avoid obvious camera distortion. The bottom part of your drawing is clearly too narrow, but what is the camera contribution?
Hold the camera square to the paper and in the center. A very sensitive check is a little mirror - you need the camera on a tripod, which is advised anyway. Adjust until you see the camera in the mirror.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Feb-2013/142886-centering.JPG

Keep up the good work :thumbsup:.

Mike_Art
02-27-2013, 08:10 PM
Arnoud,

Thank you for the response.

I'm sorry about the first image I uploaded. :angel: I did not realize that it was distorted. I have since acquired a tripod and it seems that the digital camera I am using has some major issues with barrel distortion. (I've been researching how to avoid / fix the distortion). The best I could get is the following image. Please let me know if it is adequate. :crossfingers:

Thank you,

Mike_Art
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Feb-2013/1074162-Basic101_Class_7.jpg

arnoud3272
02-28-2013, 12:38 PM
Very well indeed, Michael :thumbsup:
A few keys to accurate drawing:
-- start with the correct height / width proportion of the complete drawing (yellow). Of course, the assignment includes the addition of a personal item, that could change the proportion. Correct the width, not the length.
-- look for "plumb lines" (also horizontal :lol:) (red)
-- look for angles (blue)
Now, in all these cases, make your best guess first, then measure.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Feb-2013/142886-mike-pot.jpg

The important point is to learn what your "customary" deviation is, so that you can anticipate.
Look forward to your shading :).

Mike_Art
03-17-2013, 07:09 PM
Arnoud,

Sorry it has taken me so long to respond.
After your last comments and suggestions, I see now how obvious some of my errors in proportions were. I have taken your suggestions and have redone the assignment. I have tried to pay particular attention to Plum lines, both horizontal and vertical. I have also tried to be aware of angles as you suggested. I have also come to realize that I need to slow down when laying out the initial rough drawing. I have found that I tend to rush the initial steps of drawing.

Here is my most recent attempt at this assignment. I look forward to your critique.

Thank you,

Mike

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Mar-2013/1074162-Basic101_Class7_ReMake.jpg

arnoud3272
03-18-2013, 06:22 PM
Very well done, Mike :clap:. It's a big improvement :thumbsup:.
Looking forward to the next stage.

Mike_Art
03-25-2013, 01:29 AM
Arnoud,

Here is my finished product. Please let me know what you think.
With your help, I have learned a lot in this class and have come to recognize some common errors I tend to make, and for that I thank you.

The personal items I have added are a pencil, a pencil sharpener, a "needed" eraser :lol:, and my new favorite a General's Tri-Tip Eraser. I chose these items because it represents my attempt to include art more often in my everyday life, so it seemed fitting to include them here as my personal items.

Once again, Thank you Arnoud. I look forward to the next class.

Mike_Art

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Mar-2013/1074162-Basic101_Class7_Final.jpg

arnoud3272
03-25-2013, 02:18 PM
Very well done, Mike :clap:.

NemoPS
06-09-2013, 06:13 PM
Here is my attempt!
I wonder: is it because of the paper texture that I get that.... texturish look? Or is it mostly because of the soft pencils I use (8b for the darkest shadows)?
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Jun-2013/1130582-my_lesson_7_sketch.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Jun-2013/1130582-my_lesson_7.jpg

Anyway, I tired to exploit the paper texture to get those dots on the ...teapot? coffee pot? pot.

What's the best 'type' of paper suggested to get smoother textures?


And, my personal item is a rosary that was given to me by a nun, a friend of my grandma, and represents the difference between what I was and what I am now (since I changed a lot since when I got it)

Cheers!
Fabio

arnoud3272
06-10-2013, 05:54 PM
Well done, Fabio :clap:, very nice work.
The texture of the paper always plays a big role. You can 'counteract" the paper texture up to a point by layering with different grades of pencil. There are two schools, from soft to hard - and from hard to soft. Anyway, soft leads have bigger flakes and tend to skip the valleys; going over them with a hard grade will break it up and force them down. Starting with hard grades will fill up the texture and change it into a more uniform tooth. Try for yourself what suites you.
Of course a smoother paper will show less texture. The problem of very smooth papers is the lack of tooth, with a blotchy application as result.
Many super-realist artists prefer "Mellotex". But it is a paper for the printing industry (http://www.tullisrussell.com/our-products/premium-paper-board/usages/business-stationery.html), very difficult to find in retail quantities. Mike Sibley (http://www.sibleyfineart.com/shop.htm) is the only source I know.
Keep up the good work :thumbsup:

NemoPS
06-11-2013, 05:18 PM
Very valuable info Arnoud! Didn't know about the grade variations to change the paper texture. Must try it right now! Thanks!

Richd82
07-21-2013, 11:28 AM
Hi Arnoud, here is my rough layout for class 7. Ive really struggled with this photo. I seem to be having a hard time wrapping my mind around the ellipses and how they should be constructed. this is my 3rd time roughing it out. The 1st 2 i did the ellipses in perspective and it didnt look like the photo. On this draft i tried to block out some of the perspective rules and just draw what i saw. Something still feels off about the layout so i wanted to upload to get your feedback. Thanks for your time!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Jul-2013/1153376-Wc_class7.JPG

arnoud3272
07-21-2013, 02:50 PM
Richard - Well done, it is very accurate as you can see: :thumbsup:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Jul-2013/142886-richard.JPG

The 1st 2 i did the ellipses in perspective and it didnt look like the photo. Perspective constructs (also "measuring") should better not be used at the start. You learn much faster by drawing freehand first, then check with whatever tools you know - and that includes tracing, or its digital equivalent as explained here (http://wetcanvas.com/Articles2/2921/521/).
Even experienced illustrators, working from imagination, sketch freehand first, and only check when almost finished.

Richd82
07-21-2013, 07:40 PM
Perspective constructs (also "measuring") should better not be used at the start. You learn much faster by drawing freehand first, then check with whatever tools you know - and that includes tracing, or its digital equivalent as explained here (http://wetcanvas.com/Articles2/2921/521/).
Even experienced illustrators, working from imagination, sketch freehand first, and only check when almost finished.

Thanks Arnoud, your info is so valuable and makes perfect sense. It felt so much more natural to freehand it. I read that article about the digital check method in the past and completely forgot about it. I saved the page:thumbsup:

bigskycountry
08-22-2013, 10:55 AM
Hi -- hoping the site is back to good working order. Don't know what happened to my post before, but went ahead and finished the drawing in the interim.

Here is the preliminary drawing. I chose the small candle because it's always on my kitchen counter and was a small gift from a grandchild; but as you'll see in the drawing I changed my mind.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Aug-2013/1055472-wcClass7Prelim.jpg

Here is the finished drawing. I replaced the candle with a crochet hook because the rest of the scene reminded me of a pleasant morning (and the candle said the opposite to me)-- a morning just right for a leisurely but productive activity, and crocheting is something I enjoy doing.

Lee

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Aug-2013/1055472-WCClass7Draw.jpg

arnoud3272
08-22-2013, 05:36 PM
Very well done, Lee :clap:.
I saw your post, several times even, it was switched on and off :lol:.
I really like your rendering.
Please move on to a next class :thumbsup:.

Richd82
09-03-2013, 01:21 PM
Hi Arnoud, here is my class 7 assignment. I posted a few weeks back when the forum was going batty. It looks like everything is up to par so here it is. My personal piece is a scrimshaw cuff link done on whale bone by my grandfather in the 70's. I live in new bedford which had a historic whaling/fishing port. C&C plz.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Sep-2013/1153376-2013-09-03_12.52.18.jpg

arnoud3272
09-03-2013, 03:44 PM
Very well done, Richard :clap:.
One small point, in a highly realistic drawing, outlines are detracting. It is correct for seams and so, because there is indeed a very narrow shadow, but there is no logic for the accented edge in the upper right quarter of the apple.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Sep-2013/142886-lost-edge.jpg

In realistic drawing and painting, don't be afraid to "lose" some edges :thumbsup:.
Well done, please move on :music:.

Richd82
09-06-2013, 02:21 PM
Very well done, Richard :clap:.
One small point, in a highly realistic drawing, outlines are detracting. It is correct for seams and so, because there is indeed a very narrow shadow, but there is no logic for the accented edge in the upper right quarter of the apple.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Sep-2013/142886-lost-edge.jpg

In realistic drawing and painting, don't be afraid to "lose" some edges :thumbsup:.
Well done, please move on :music:.

Hmmm...thanks for that tip. To be honest i never seen or realized that outline until i read your comment. Its amazing how things look normal at first until someone with more knowledge and experience points it out to you. Thanks again Arnoud see you in class 8.

monarch
09-28-2013, 04:01 PM
My personal object is a toy giraffe that my 3 children had loved very much when they were little. It managed to survive the decluttering while moving 4 times through the years, and now I have two grandbabies who love this giraffe just as much.

And I have learned from this drawing that folds are evil. :evil:

edit: Now that this drawing is posted, I notice some fingerprint smudges on the giraffe's neck. I've taken care of them IRL. :wink2:

arnoud3272
09-29-2013, 03:16 PM
Very well done, monarch :clap:.
Correct forms, and nice rendering of the 3D forms. I like your personal note :thumbsup:.
Please move on to a next class :music:.

Delofasht
01-27-2014, 10:55 PM
"Carefully" measured line work:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Jan-2014/34519-Test-L-p.JPG

Used a measuring system I've been learning over the past 5 years to try to establish all my measurements by way of relationships and visualizing plumb lines and a lot of other technical jargon that pretty much boils down to doing it by way of eyeball, but a bit more methodically than just scribbling it down. This was by far the best use of the skills I'd pick up over the years and felt really good to be using them like this, thank you for having this class up here, I might have never really used these skills but having done so now. . . I can't even imagine ever doing a drawing now without using this measuring first.

Finished:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Jan-2014/34519-Test-p.JPG

Took a lot of artistic license here, altering folds in the background, inserting reflections based on my added content, doing it with the colored pencil that I've been meaning to get rid of for years. These classes really have helped me grow so much, I wouldn't have felt so confident in this stuff just last year, I owe a lot of my successes to what I have learned here, even if what I learned wasn't so much from what the class taught but what I learned by doing the classes.

Extra Credit ?:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Jan-2014/34519-Test-E-p.JPG

I had started with a thumbnail quickly establishing the general feel of the pieces in their places with my pencil to see how they should look, this was more because I was bored and wanted to draw something but didn't know what at the time. It turned out to be quite useful for the more completed piece to come and I had done it several months prior to the line work and finished piece which I did this evening from around 4pm till 8pm with breaks every 15 minutes due to a tiny bladder and 4 cups of coffee. (48 oz of liquid caffeine is a lot)

I certainly hope that using colored pencil isn't against the rules, I didn't see anything against it, and besides it was just what I had in my sketching supplies while I was at the coffee shop. Didn't want to risk running out of my black colored pencil which is a little smaller than a nub (I've literally cut the wood casing off and am holding it with tweezers clipped close with my wife's hairband).

Hope I pass! :crossfingers:

Edit: Awww man, the apple should have been a bit bigger, should have checked it against my thumbnail better before I had gotten to rendering. = / And the angle of the spout side of the kettle is off and the lid doesn't seem to be sitting quite right. Tsk. I guess it was close though. . . better than if I hadn't done the measurements. Guess I should take a cue from the carpenters and "Measure twice, cut once".

Forgot to mention why I added a sketchbook, it's one of the driving forces of my life. In fact, it's why I added the red to the apple only in the book, it's where my life is really at. . . in my art!

arnoud3272
01-28-2014, 08:50 AM
Delofasht -
Very nice job :clap::clap:. Your careful practicing pays off.
Please move on to a next class :thumbsup:.

Delofasht
01-28-2014, 11:41 AM
Thanks! I am actually rather surprised how well my eye is improving to pick up differences from photo and life, I am starting to see angles and relationships better. My visual memory is improving because of all this too, I remember more details than I used to.

arnoud3272
01-28-2014, 12:47 PM
:thumbsup:

pixel blender
05-25-2014, 01:04 PM
Hello!

Here is the first exercise:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-May-2014/1782941-2014-05-25-18.52.17.jpg

I have a question about the second one. I think i am translating it wrong.


NEXT

Part I: Do the drawing directly from the still life photo

Part II: Add something personal about yourself to the still life - it can be a cherished object or a symbolic object. Be prepared to explain your choice.

Part I means to draw it again but without measuring and get the basic shapes first?
Part II I understand is to add an object that isn't there to what I've drawn during Part I, is it?

Thanks a lot!

arnoud3272
05-26-2014, 04:02 AM
pixel blender -
You're off to a good start :clap:.

About the confusion: from the beginning, when JayD was still commenting the class personally, it has always been thought that the part before NEXT is explaining how to tackle it, the actual assignment is introduced by NEXT.
As to "directly", one of its meanings (http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/directly) is "exactly", which I think is meant here. And yes, add something personal (see examples by other pupils).

Speaking of exactly, you did a good job on the basic forms, and most details are correctly copied. But the first problem to tackle when a believable likeness is essential is the over all width to height proportion.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-May-2014/142886-pixel-test.jpg

Keep up the good work :thumbsup:.

amyloulie
07-06-2014, 02:24 PM
Attached is my first sketch. I see that it is difficult to photograph because the lines are so light. I am learning, thanks to you and your helpful criticisms.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Jul-2014/1443497-kettle_3_800x665.jpg

Nancy

arnoud3272
07-06-2014, 05:51 PM
Very well done, Nancy :clap:. Very close to the reference. In fact more than enough for most subjects.
For your development - because not good enough for a portrait e.g. - observe how the width - height proportion is consistently off.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Jul-2014/142886-nancy-coffee.jpg

Most people err always on the same side. So it is good to know yours, so that you can pay more attention to it :thumbsup:.

amyloulie
07-08-2014, 06:16 PM
:wave: Here is my class 7 project. I haven't got the energy to add a personal touch. Usually, it would be an apple or pear. You can probably tell that I started with the apple and finished with the background.

Thanks, Arnoud!

Nancy

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Jul-2014/1443497-apple_and_kettle_2_800x640.jpg

arnoud3272
07-09-2014, 03:24 AM
Well done, Nancy :clap:, very nice.
Please move on to a next class :thumbsup:.

Sarosna
08-14-2014, 01:32 PM
OK here's mine. I was so excited to go through with this that I forgot to scan my outline version. I was surprised by how well I pulled this off. The drapery wasn't easy to render and I've never done anything like that. I was supposed to add the white spots to the pot but I forgot and didn't want to try and add white paint on top of the fixative after so much hard work.

I added a my cats' toy mouse into the picture since my cats tend to "help" me with my art a lot.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Aug-2014/1364585-exam.jpg

arnoud3272
08-14-2014, 05:08 PM
I was surprised by how well I pulled this off. You may be proud of it, very well succeeded :clap::clap:.

naglel
01-22-2015, 10:40 PM
I wasnt sure where I wanted to start in the course, so I did a review of some of the material from 1-7. Here is my coffee pot with the addition of my grandsons baby spoon (yes its orange). Wow, a lot of shading and I realize that I will have to try to upgrade my art supplies http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jan-2015/1034772-img081_edited-11.jpg(8x11 photocopy paper 2b,6b,8b, stubby and my grandkids pencil crayons!) Some details on the pot I struggled with, it was hard to make out from the photo, not sure if its quite right??

arnoud3272
01-23-2015, 05:15 PM
Good job, Raini :clap:.
You got a good handle on the shapes.
What I'd consider for improvement is trying to suggest more different textures. The battered pot is a nice touch, but I'd prefer a more tasty apple. Of course it all can be a matter of stylization. But then, as a sports instructor of mine used to ask "Did you choose it that way, or was it just happening?"

Keep up the good work :thumbsup:.

naglel
01-23-2015, 05:35 PM
I struggled with the shading in pencil, overworked it. I should have used a lighter midtone. I would like to learn how to use texture etc in pencil work! I'm glad to hear my shapes were ok, thanks Arnoud

Godoggo
02-10-2015, 02:01 AM
Here is my outline. I haven't put in my personal item yet. I'll do that when I know the outline is ok.

http://i1039.photobucket.com/albums/a476/ashafer_bucket/Mobile%20Uploads/image_8.jpg (http://s1039.photobucket.com/user/ashafer_bucket/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_8.jpg.html)

arnoud3272
02-10-2015, 02:57 PM
:thumbsup:

Tut
02-25-2015, 09:10 PM
My personal object doesn't need explaining :angel:

tonybbc
02-26-2015, 10:44 AM
Arnoud
Thank you for your praise from last class.
Spent lots of time measuring the picture. Although I have to admit that I have had to guess many points (Could be my screen and printer) although upon careful looking, the attachment on the handle cannot be seen very well.
This is the general outline of the project. I will continue with the shadows and then hopefully the folds.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Feb-2015/93964-exam.jpg

arnoud3272
02-26-2015, 05:24 PM
Justine - Well done :clap:.
Sighting the drawing and the reference side to side, you'll see that the spout is too short and the apple lies too low.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Feb-2015/142886-justine.jpg

The apple is not an issue, but the spout looks strange - and technically it makes it awkward to use the pot :lol:.
:thumbsup:

arnoud3272
02-26-2015, 05:25 PM
Tony - Very well done :clap::clap:.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Feb-2015/142886-tony.jpg

:thumbsup:

Tut
02-27-2015, 03:58 AM
Now you've pointed it out it looks very weird!! Justine

tonybbc
02-28-2015, 09:57 AM
Try as I might, I cannot shade. This is one of my sticky areas. I need lots of practice. Now that I have finished (Hope) this exam I will be spending time to struggle my way into shading.
I have used HB through to 6B for the blacks on plain photocopy paper. It is a lot cheaper than dedicated drawing paper. Later when I get better I will then change to a paper with a toothed surface.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Feb-2015/93964-Exam_1_001.jpg I still have to add something extra. Will do that next.

arnoud3272
02-28-2015, 04:11 PM
Nice work, Tony :clap:.
Now don't say you cannot shade, you're already doing very well. Particularly considering the unfit paper. Important cause of your frustration is the paper. If you're dedicated to realistic drawing, and I'm sure you are, switch to a good paper now. Probably you'll have to try several types before finding one that answers your expectations.
Another advice for realism: don't leave outlines in. Lines are only appropriate where there is indeed a linear shadow, as at the bottom. But top of the apple, or side of the spout are "imagined" not there in real life. Don't be afraid of "lost edges". Or you can also darken the folds in the background at those places,
:thumbsup:

Dutchpen
03-01-2015, 04:37 AM
Arnoud
Would you kindly review my Exam work and add any corrections Thank you

I really hope there is some improvement at this short stage of my class work ...its been very enjoyable and a learning curve to date with your help
so again Thank you for your endeahttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Mar-2015/1772578-m_IMG_0001.jpg vours

tonybbc
03-01-2015, 11:47 AM
Final drawing. Oil paint and two oil paint brushes added.
Reason - as I am learning to draw I am using pencil and erasers. I also wish to learn to paint in oils and as this is a learning drawing I am adding what I want to learn when I have enough experience.

Also now that I have (hopefully) finished this exam I will redo this exercise as a starter in oil painting. At least is should be much more realistic.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Mar-2015/93964-001.jpg

Dutchpen
03-01-2015, 01:02 PM
Good Luck Tony with your Painting in the Future..............:thumbsup: :wave:

arnoud3272
03-01-2015, 02:53 PM
Well done, Mike :clap:, you're developing in the right direction :thumbsup:.
I guess you're still using your "thin" paper. I urgently advise you to switch to a "serious" paper for class 8. Trying to shade realistically on paper only good for sketching is very frustrating. Besides, you'll never develop the correct skill. Nobody will succeed to learn playing classical music on an old piano out of tune.
220 gsm is a good weight.

Please move on to the next class :thumbsup:

arnoud3272
03-01-2015, 02:55 PM
Very well done, Tony :clap::clap:.
Please move on to a next class :thumbsup:.

Dutchpen
03-01-2015, 03:03 PM
Well done, Mike :clap:, you're developing in the right direction :thumbsup:.
I guess you're still using your "thin" paper. I urgently advise you to switch to a "serious" paper for class 8. Trying to shade realistically on paper only good for sketching is very frustrating. Besides, you'll never develop the correct skill. Nobody will succeed to learn playing classical music on an old piano out of tune.
220 gsm is a good weight.

Please move on to the next class :thumbsup:

Arnoud
Many thanks...........I,ve found a Canson Medium texture art block on the front but smooth texture on the rear its300g/m2 ..140lbs is that satisfactory
Await your reply......

arnoud3272
03-01-2015, 03:15 PM
Sure :thumbsup:.
And try both sides to see what you like most.

Tut
03-08-2015, 08:06 PM
The edited drawing again, I had previously forgotten to draw the main shape, then find common points, ie. the top of the apple is roughly the bottom of the handle, the top of the spout is just under the top of the handle etc.

Many thanks, Justine

arnoud3272
03-09-2015, 11:59 AM
Much better, Justine :clap:.
One point where you can improve on the reference :). Don't let that fold run as a continuation of the spout. It is like tree branches growing out of people's ears and so :lol:.
:thumbsup:.

sapf
04-29-2015, 12:31 PM
hello here is my drawing, I added a sea shell- candle because I love the light and the sea.

arnoud3272
04-29-2015, 05:49 PM
Good job, sapf :clap:.
One point to consider when drawing in tone ("shading") is to avoid mixing non-existing outlines in the tone. It is not consistent. To be sure, outlines do not exist in nature, they are an interpretation when drawing in lines. Some lines seem to be there, but they are small regions of a darker tone.
The heavy line that I emphasized in red is disturbing, as it is really the edge of a shadow. The one in green is too heavy IMO.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Apr-2015/142886-sapf.jpg

But in general, very well done, please move on :thumbsup:.

Mimi007
05-26-2015, 01:26 AM
Sending you my outline of the apple and pot. I tried a small one a then a larger one. In the larger outline the apple looks small and the pot looks fat! Is the little outline better? Thanks, Kathy

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-May-2015/1970295-image.jpg

Mimi007
05-26-2015, 10:29 AM
Well it appears as though this mornings pot removed the ones I posted last night. Oh well, this one is more complete. Thanks as always for your time and sharing your talents. Kathy. I forgot to say that I added my poor mangled eraser to the picture !