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rca
02-20-2010, 10:25 PM
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Hi WetCanvas, where Painting began for me some years ago, it's good to be back.

Here I am again with a study I am making about my hero: Singer Sargent, wich I wanted to share with you.

Please remember this is JUST A STUDY, I cant compare with the great Master Sargent was.

LADY AGNEW, by John Singer Sargent.
http://www.illusionsgallery.com/Lady-Agnew-L.jpg

And, in fact, I am also trying a new color arrangement system proposed by Howard Sanden.

Lets begin.
:closedeyes:


Title: Studyng Lady Agnew
Height: 120 cm
Technique: Oil on Canvas


Step on: transfer the drawing using a grid in charcoal.

A very simple step, nothing really to explain.


http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy193/RuiManuel3/ag1.jpg

http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy193/RuiManuel3/ag2.jpg

http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy193/RuiManuel3/ag3.jpg

rca
02-20-2010, 10:32 PM
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Next I slighly cleaned the canvas surface with a rag, removing most of the charcoal dust.

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http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy193/RuiManuel3/ag4.jpg

rca
02-20-2010, 10:50 PM
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My first aproach will be the head. The reason is because it really is the only dificult and very hard area the orignal painting offers us to paint. The expression on Lady Agnew's face is something extremely peculiar. If that fails, the entire painting will fail. If we suceed on that head, it is most likely the whole painting will also suceed.

:)

So, shadows blocking in first.


http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy193/RuiManuel3/ag5.jpg

rca
02-21-2010, 09:28 AM
Continuing, this was my next step:

http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy193/RuiManuel3/ag6.jpg

rca
02-21-2010, 09:29 AM
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The point is to follow this order: 1. Paint the Shadows 2. Paint the Half Tones 3. Paint the Lights. Come back to point 1 and follow the EXACT order again.

Everytime one gets back to point 1 is called a "Restating".

So, after 3 "restatings I got the head done. Coudnt avoid the glare, it is still very fresh.

http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy193/RuiManuel3/ag7.jpg

TheBaron
02-21-2010, 09:36 AM
How do Rui.

Very nice work here :thumbsup:

I see you're quoting H.Sanderson,you got the book or Video?

rca
02-21-2010, 09:40 AM
you got the book or Video?

I tryed the video. I found it great.
:)

Another photo:

http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy193/RuiManuel3/ag8.jpg

rca
02-21-2010, 11:53 AM
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Now, the chair.

http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy193/RuiManuel3/ag9.jpg

insomb
02-21-2010, 11:39 PM
Jeez, he seems like he would be such a hard artist to copy, but looking really nice so far. I'm going to subscribe and watch.

TheBaron
02-22-2010, 03:44 AM
Jeez, he seems like he would be such a hard artist to copy, but looking really nice so far. I'm going to subscribe and watch.

He's not really,purchase his book and it will give you step by step approach to demo's of how to paint the portrait at the back of the book.

It is good reading and so is the video.
The Book is called...portraits from life in 29 steps.

Lady Agnew only features on the video,and is the work of John Singer Sargent.

insomb
02-22-2010, 10:45 AM
He's not really,purchase his book and it will give you step by step approach to demo's of how to paint the portrait at the back of the book.

It is good reading and so is the video.
The Book is called...portraits from life in 29 steps.

Lady Agnew only features on the video,and is the work of John Singer Sargent.

I meant Sargent, because of the confidence and immediacy of his strokes. I have viewed that book briefly, but I don't remember the sargeant demo, will have to take another look.

rca
02-22-2010, 09:28 PM
The Book is called...portraits from life in 29 steps.


I wouldnt buy the book, actually: who on earth would have the patience to paint something in 29 steps???? And even if one did, would one be capable of applying those same 29 steps on a completly new subject? No.

I saw some videos and enjoy them alot. And there are 3 basic steps for painting everything:
- step 1 - paint the shadows
- step 2 - paint the halftones
- step 3 - paint the lights
and "restating", meaning you return to point 1.

Do repeat this procedure until youre happy with whatever youre painting.

Its a really pitty I dont have more photos on the progress I did on Lady Agnew's face. I had them but a little accident ocurred.

:angel:

rca
02-22-2010, 09:32 PM
I meant Sargent, because of the confidence and immediacy of his strokes.

Exactly. Thats the reason I am making these study.

The freshness of Sargents brush strokes is something amazing. A real Master, he was.

TheBaron
02-22-2010, 09:39 PM
I saw some videos and enjoy them alot. And there are 3 basic steps for painting everything:
- step 1 - paint the shadows
- step 2 - paint the halftones
- step 3 - paint the lights
and "restating", meaning you return to point 1.



Sandon repeats this in all his vids and the book.

29 steps is a portrait of the head.

Freesail
02-23-2010, 06:42 AM
I am a huge Sargent fan and I am following this thread with interest. Nice work so far.

rca
02-23-2010, 10:27 AM
Sandon repeats this in all his vids and the book.

Of course he does, thats why I found the videos so interesting and usefull. Anyway, the "29 steps" story is maybe good for cooking, but too complicating for painting.

Here is my first aproach to the chair.

http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy193/RuiManuel3/ag11.jpg

rca
02-23-2010, 03:38 PM
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Enough of flowers, I know original has some more, but onde must keep in mind this is just a study.

Now for the dress: painting shadows first and trying to findthe blues and violets.

http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy193/RuiManuel3/ag12.jpg

TheBaron
02-23-2010, 04:59 PM
Excellant. :thumbsup:

Have you finished the face? as its looking a tad dark to the original?

rca
02-23-2010, 05:09 PM
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Hi Baron, you are rigth, it's a bit too dark since I cant go outside and take a photo on daylight.

We are facing terrible weather these days around here (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/portugal/7301442/Madeira-floods-tourists-urged-not-to-cancel-holidays.html). I am planning to photograph it outside when it's finished.

Dallen
02-23-2010, 05:20 PM
This is an amazing study you are doing! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Excellant. :thumbsup:Have you finished the face? as its looking a tad dark to the original?
the face does looks a biit dark, but actually IMO, it is a bit hot, because red undertones were used instead of dark blue, (which Sargent used as the 1st layer). No way to change that now.

I also think it is impossible to judge from a photo posted with the face next to an all white dress area, it gives a distorted sense of the colors. I will reserve judgement on the face till the gown is in, without it, you really can't judge the face coloring accurately.

Can't wait to see this finished! It is gorgeous!

TheBaron
02-23-2010, 05:31 PM
Victorian/early 1900's women were of pale complexion,I'm not saying its not right and it does look quite good as it is.

rca
02-23-2010, 06:04 PM
Victorian/early 1900's women were of pale complexion

yes, you are right on that.

rca
02-24-2010, 07:37 AM
For some reason this photo turned out too dark

Anyway, the progresses on the sleeves.


http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy193/RuiManuel3/ag13.jpg

Dallen
02-24-2010, 11:58 AM
I love watching this painting grow, Thanks for sharing the journey with us all.

rca
02-24-2010, 08:44 PM
Thanks guys, coudnt paint today, buy I think tomorow I will finish this study.

:)

rca
02-25-2010, 02:39 PM
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sorry for the bad photo, but here is the next step:


http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy193/RuiManuel3/ag14.jpg

Rose Queen
02-25-2010, 04:31 PM
I'm a huge Sargent fan, too, and it's such a pleasure to see you bring Lady Agnew to life!



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TheBaron
02-25-2010, 10:20 PM
I have the same video,how have you found it?

I watched it and found myself starting to doze off because he spent more time shifting the camera to the source for practically every stroke of the brush marking,I wouldn't mind but it stayed on the source photo for at least 20 seconds in parts...you don't make a painting tutition video and do something like this...the viewer wants to see the action not the still life. :mad:

rca
02-25-2010, 10:40 PM
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Baron, I saw the video for the first time announced on Sanden's website (www.johnhowardsanden.com).

Actually, I am not following his video while I'm painting: I saw it one or two times and got the main idea: first paint the darks, then the half tones and finally the lights. That was enough.

Besides that, one must know only two things:

1 - Values, how to measure and apply them - using a gray scale, for instance.

2 - Hard edges, soft edges and lost edges, being the former the ones that occur under direct light, the middle the ones thar appear on shadows and the later being the ones you dont see at all.

With this you can paint whatever you want, no matter if it is a Lady, a dog or a boat.

Finally, read what's available about Sargent's methods, specially about economy on brush strokes.

jennf
02-26-2010, 03:37 PM
Hi,

This is beautiful . . . I am really enjoying watching it develop.:clap:

Could you please tell us what you are using for medium?

Also, is there a particular book about Sargent's methods that you would recommend?

Thanks so much for sharing!

Jennifer

rca
02-28-2010, 07:03 PM
Hi,
Could you please tell us what you are using for medium?

Also, is there a particular book about Sargent's methods that you would recommend?


hi, thank you for watching.

as for the mediums, I dont use any medium besides the oil paints already carry on them inside its tubes. Remember Sargent: "the thicker you paint, the more the color flows".

I dont know any book about sargent cause one have so many great resources about him nowadays on the web. My favorite is this website:

http://jssgallery.org/

please have a look on it.

I already finished this study, i hope I can post here the final photos in the next hours.

:wave:

rca
03-02-2010, 08:44 AM
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Finished my study.

:wave:

http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy193/RuiManuel3/ag18.jpg

TheBaron
03-02-2010, 01:38 PM
:clap::thumbsup:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Mar-2010/107353-ag18.jpg

rca
03-02-2010, 01:43 PM
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lol, thanks alot for that!!!

:) :) :):lol: :lol: :lol:

Dallen
03-02-2010, 07:48 PM
BRAVO!!!!! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: BRAVO!!!!

Keya
03-11-2010, 08:49 AM
well done!
An excellent study. You really captured the loose and fresh style. Only a little remark: The contrast between the face and shoulders is too great in my opinion

lovin art
04-01-2010, 02:13 PM
Beautiful rendering on this and I do agree with Keya above there is a slight over contrast between them I think if you were to tone down her face a little it would really make this outstanding....:thumbsup: :D

derek123
04-28-2013, 07:40 AM
good drawing, color, and sfumato (blurring) of the strokes. well done eyes.

AllisonR
05-02-2013, 04:16 AM
I have thoroughly enjoyed your painting and your notes on the progression. Wonderful final painting. Can you please explain how you got from this step to the next? (post 4 and 5). The 1st is very dark, hair lamost black, flesh tones quite dark. Then suddenly everything is much lighter and softer. Did you add pale flesh tones with zinc white, all over, blending wet on wet, until it was all better blended and light? That is my guess, but I would much rather you explain.

Slightly off topic - Interesting note about how Sargent used cool blue underpainting and you used warm red, hence the difference. But I don't see you making an underpainting at all, nor an overall color wash, so I wonder what you mean, or if I misunderstood your comment? I often make an underpainting in burnt umber plus ultramarine, and then I make some of the underpainting more cool, and other areas more warm, sometimes the opposite of what the layers on top will be. So cool under warm and vice versa. Maybe I should use cool under cool, warm under warm...?

Continuing, this was my next step:

http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy193/RuiManuel3/ag6.jpg


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The point is to follow this order: 1. Paint the Shadows 2. Paint the Half Tones 3. Paint the Lights. Come back to point 1 and follow the EXACT order again.

Everytime one gets back to point 1 is called a "Restating".

So, after 3 "restatings I got the head done. Coudnt avoid the glare, it is still very fresh.

http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy193/RuiManuel3/ag7.jpg

derek123
05-11-2013, 01:28 AM
that is an awesomely drawn copy