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JayD
11-21-2004, 11:03 PM
Basic 101: Class 5
Drawing Spherical Objects


Balls, Balls, Balls, Balls and more Balls. We all remember “The Cain Mutiny” with Humphrey Bogart insanely scrambling those steel balls around in his hand. Insane.

Balls are spheres. Simple enough. Balls are spheres and spheres have 3 dimensionality and depth (see figure 1). Going back for a second to the class on the cylinder we remember that to construct and object using a cylinder we first look for the geometric shape then sketch it and finally add the detail that make the cylinder turn into “the object”. Simple enough.

It is the same with spheres. Spheres can be Bogey’s steel balls or they can be marbles or basketballs or the planet Mars—HEY! How about your head!--all are spheres. Let’s look at the incredible edible egg for a simple demonstration:

Step 1--Draw your circle—be sure to indicate depth

Step 2--Add detail. In this case, draw and extension from the existing sphere to make the egg

Again, very simple. Let’s do a nut:

Step 1--Draw the sphere and indicate depth

Step 2---Draw the line that divides the nut into two halves

Step 3--Add the “tail” to the nut

So the idea is to always draw the sphere first.

Let’s do a cup of coffee

Step 1—draw the ENTIRE sphere—indicate the depth of the sphere

Step 2—draw and ellipse through the center of the sphere

Step 3—Add detail (the handle and the base of the cup (keep in mind that the base of the cup is also an ellipse.

Keep in mind that a sphere IS NOT A FLAT DISK –this is extremely important.

Exercise 1—Go about your house and see if you can find and sketch evidences of spheres living among you. What about on the streets—do you see anything there and HOW about in nature—look about and sketch spheres in ALL of these environments.
Exercise 2—Draw the M&M dispenser—I want all of you to do this one as a class project. In this Exercise not only are you to draw the spheres but I want you to help each other draw this subject as a CLASS PROJECT. Remember to start out simply and then build details once you have the basic shapes down.

Exercise 3. Listed below are are a series of photographs. See if you can spot the spheres an then using your new found spheres—draw the pictures—be on the lookout for other class subjects as well.



Good Luck and Happy Drawing!!!

JayD
11-21-2004, 11:04 PM
And here are the rest of the excercise pieces:

Note from the Editor: This thread continues with the recent posts. The older posts can be found in this closed thread:
http://wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=231940

oviyam
11-23-2009, 02:03 AM
Dear Arnoud,
Hope things are fine with you.
Here I'm posting my Class 5 Assignments. kindly review it.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Nov-2009/200707-Class_5-001.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Nov-2009/200707-Class_5-002.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Nov-2009/200707-Class_5-003.jpg

Some of my studies too

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Nov-2009/200707-Class_5-004.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Nov-2009/200707-Class_5-005.jpg

Thanks & Regards
Jarish

arnoud3272
11-23-2009, 04:16 AM
Jarish -
Very nice work :clap:.
A few useful pointers for the future:
M&M: the outlines of spheres are always drawn as circles, in whatever perspective, although mathematically incorrect. But features on the sphere do follow the perspective. The nameplates look as flat plates, sticked-on, but on the reference they look like painted. To distort features you can use a modified "gridding", where the target grid is drawn in the desired distortion. In this case the target grid is following the longitude and latitude circles:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Oct-2009/142886-class5-M.jpg
Man Ray: very nice. Again, with this extreme perspective, the iris should be more an ellipse, less a circle. Eyes are extremely important in portraiture. Any detail counts. For instance, eye lashes do not grow from the very edge of the lid, that would be very irritating :lol:. Look at this detail of another Man Ray photo from the same session.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Nov-2009/142886-manray-closeup.jpg

In general, but it struck me in particular in the kid's head, don't be afraid of the dark.
You did very well in these introductory classes :clap:. You may now choose the classes in any order :thumbsup:.
Keep up the good work :).

oviyam
11-23-2009, 04:25 AM
Thanks alot Arnoud for your valuable instructions. I will do my level best to follow the principles.

Please do let me know which class will be better for me to start.

Thanks & regards
jarish

arnoud3272
11-23-2009, 12:28 PM
Jarish -
Please do let me know which class will be better for me to start. The setup of this classroom is well structured. That means that there are still several classes that address general skills. Later; let's say from class 14 on, come specific subjects. IMO classes 7, 8 and 10 are very important; they introduce you to the basic principles of composition and to realistic shading.
Afterwards, most pupils have a good idea of which classes appeal to them.

oviyam
11-24-2009, 01:39 AM
Alright Arnoud.
thanks for the knowledge. Anyway Im gonna continue the following classes on the right order. See you in the Class 6.

Thanks & Regards
Jarish Muhammed

Heatgain
12-09-2009, 04:44 PM
Hiya Arnoud and whoever's looking in here,

Just got back from a small trip to New Mexico and Colorado, which is why I haven't yet done my Class 5 drawings. I did sketch a few eclectic things while I was out there, and dozens of circles. Funny, I feel the sketches look like they were done by a child. When am I going to became an artist?!! :)
Anyway, while I was in the airplane, thinking about circles, I look out the window at the ground, and what do I see? Circles! Apparently, the farmers do this on some plots, I don't know why. I thought you might find it interesting:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Dec-2009/206585-IMG_0653Crop.JPG
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Dec-2009/206585-IMG_0655Crop.JPG
Apologies if this is off-topic. (Although they ARE circles, in perspective :)). I'll get busy in the next few days with my assignment.

arnoud3272
12-09-2009, 05:49 PM
Gary -
Interesting
Grain circles ? :lol:
Circles! Apparently, the farmers do this on some plots, I don't know why
The result of one kind of large scale irrigation system
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_pivot_irrigation

Heatgain
12-13-2009, 07:23 PM
Good evening Arnoud,

Finally! I'm back on assignment mode. After my mini-trip to New Mexico, what with all the RL stuff that piled up while I was gone, it's been a slow climb for me back to drawing for class. At least I did a few sketches out there....but nothing with circles :). Here's my drawing of the Man Ray eye, complete with two blobs that are supposed to resemble drops.
I'll finish the rest of the assignment tomorrow, I hope.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Dec-2009/206585-Class501.JPG

arnoud3272
12-14-2009, 05:20 AM
Gary -
Your pre-class drawing is a portrait, so I take it that's where your main interest lies. Then correct proportions are very important. There is no shortcut: practice, practice, compare, don't rush.
Putting reference and sketch side by side can help already a lot to see where you deviate: width of the eye, height of the brow, gap between the eye and the "blobs", form of the iris. BTW, the angle is an important artistic concept in this surrealist photo.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Dec-2009/142886-gary-eye-corr.JPG

An even stronger software tip is described in this article (http://wetcanvas.com/forums/../Articles2/2921/521/).

Then after the correct forms and proportions come the line quality and shading. That is for later classes, but I think you could start paying more attention to it. I wonder whether your pencil is kept sharp. So that you can draw crisp lines with the point and broadly shade with the side (in underhand position :wink2:). There is a good explanation in this post (http://wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7971627). If you hate sharpening, you could use a 0.5 mm mechanical for the sharp lines :lol:.

Cinnamon2010
01-18-2010, 11:18 AM
Here are my class assignments. I did the eye because I really drawing eyes. They seem to be the personality of the portrait. Unfortunatly, the scan didn't come out like I hoped. I am also doing the WDT this week and it is eyes also so I am including my sketch with that also. It took quite a while to do the M&M's I kept messing up where the eyes and mouth should be in the sphere...http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Jan-2010/210164-Class_5_MMs.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Jan-2010/210164-Class_5_egg.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Jan-2010/210164-Class_5_eye.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Jan-2010/210164-WDT_17.jpg

arnoud3272
01-18-2010, 06:10 PM
Laurie -
Very nice work. Only a few remarks, all to do with "draw what you see", which actually means learn to see.
Although the cup stands on a flat table, the bottoms of cylindrical objects show as an ellipse, don't draw it straight.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Jan-2010/142886-cin-cup-corr.jpg

There are 2 errors of perspective in the drawing of the ManRay eye. No geometrics here, just look.
A. because of the low viewpoint the lower lid is almost straight. Think of the latitude lines on a globe, the equator looks straight, towards the poles they become more curved.
B. When seen straight on, the iris and pupil are circles. But seen sideways - which means in perspective - circles become ellipses!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Jan-2010/142886-ManRay.jpg

Ken will comment on the second eye in the WDT. For the benefit of other pupils, not necessarily reading the WDT, just one point: eyelashes on the upper lid do not grow straight down. They start downwards, then curve up. It is not very clear in this particular reference, but look at the other photos, or your own eye :lol:. Choose the direction of your pencil strokes consciously, the funny effect of the eyelashes is very apparent because they taper off downwards.Here is a blowup of the reference:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Jan-2010/142886-wdt-blowup.jpg

You see that they taper off upwards.
You finished the introductory classes succesfully :clap:. You may now take your favorite classes in any order.

Cinnamon2010
01-18-2010, 06:57 PM
Thank you Arnoud, you have been very helpful. It is amazing how now when I look at things I see, cubes, cylinders, elipices, globes, horizons, vanishing points. I am really enjoying these lessons. My challenge is to get it on paper. :)

mnsrc
01-22-2010, 10:43 AM
Hello, Arnoud. Here are my exercises for class 5. The first is a sketch of a piece of black glazed pottery that we brought back from a trip from Oazaca, Mexico.

Thanks, Martin

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jan-2010/207742-black_glazed_pottery,_oaxaca.jpg (http://mail.google.com/mail/?attid=0.1&disp=emb&view=att&th=12654cdd67249272)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Jan-2010/207742-man_ray_study.jpg

mnsrc
01-22-2010, 11:58 AM
Sorry, typo there. Its "Oaxaca" (pronounced wa-HA-ka).

arnoud3272
01-22-2010, 12:15 PM
Very nice Martin :clap:.
I saw the confusion about the tears in the Portraiture Forum :lol:.
You are on a very high level, move on to any class you like :thumbsup:.

mnsrc
01-22-2010, 12:45 PM
Thanks, Arnaud! Since its Friday and the next class deals with cones, I'm thinking a sketch of a martini glass might be in order...:D

Samira Humaid
01-29-2010, 06:37 AM
Hi Arnoud,
Here are my assignments for Class 5. :lol: Sorry labelled them class 4 by mistake!

arnoud3272
01-29-2010, 08:37 AM
Samira -
The forms and proportions are generally very well observed. It does not matter very much on the cartoonish M&M figures. Let's look closer to the surrealist eye picture. The iris is too large, she seems to suffer from a terrible disease :lol:. Also the ellipse is not smooth enough at the left upper corner. The subject of this class is spheres. Although the contour of a sphere will always be drawn as a circle, whatever the perspective, the features on the sphere do follow the perspective. The lower eyelid is seen almost straight because of the very low viewpoint. It is like the latitude circles on a globe, the equator is drawn as a straight line.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Jan-2010/142886-samira-corr.jpg

A general remark: all your assignments were rather light. As you start on a higher level now, it is good to try to "push the darks". Possibly you are hampered by the choice of paper and/or pencil grade. The paper texture was always very visible. It can be a choice of style, but it is useful to try out all styles, so that you can choose knowingly.
You did very nice, you may now move on to any class of your choice :).

Samira Humaid
01-29-2010, 09:23 AM
Hi Arnoud,
Thanks for your suggestions. The eye does look very diseased :o when seen along with the actual picture. About the paper I use, yes your observation is very right. I am not happy with the drawing paper that I have. It is rather too textured for drawing details. I would definitely want to change the paper. The other paper that I have is very smooth, almost like printer paper. Can you suggest a paper which is good for drawing and sketching? See you in class 6.:wave:

kiffays
02-20-2010, 09:45 AM
Hello arnoud,

It's going to take a while to draw the M&M's and the eye. So, I'll post this drawing first. :)

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arnoud3272
02-20-2010, 10:09 AM
:thumbsup:

kiffays
02-22-2010, 05:24 AM
Ok, here's my drawing of the M&Ms. It's harder to draw this than I thought and also I have no idea on how to shade it. :lol:

473149

arnoud3272
02-22-2010, 09:11 AM
kiffays -
The shapes are well done :clap:.
As for shading. There are 2 aspects on it: A: where to put the darks. That will be treated in depth in class 8; for the time being try to see it on the reference. I have cranked up the contrast to have more detail on the spheres.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Feb-2010/142886-MM-hdr.jpg

B. the second question is how to make it dark. If you choose for tonal rendering ("realistic") instead of hatching, go slowly, work in many layers, put the graphite down lightly in the beginning. Aim at putting the lines close together, without gaps. Changing the angle of the strokes between the layers helps to smooth out the individual strokes. But follow the form contour in the first layer, think "slinkies".
Use the underhand grip, hold the pencil some distance away of the tip, and use the side of the lead. Look here (http://wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7971627) for an illustration.
A good preparatory exercise is as in class 1, drawing lines, but this time varying the pressure, barely visible at the start of the line, getting smoothly darker and ending the line as black as you can. And the other way round. There are several techniques, but this is the "traditional way".

kiffays
02-22-2010, 10:39 AM
Thanks for the explanation, arnoud. I can't wait to learn more in class 8. :)

As for the shading technique from the link, do I need to use those kind of pencil? My drawing tools is very basic right now. Currently I'm using normal 2B pencil and mechanical pencil. I used mechanical pencil for most of my drawing. I'm just wondering if it's suitable to apply such technique using mechanical pencil?

..and, here's the eye drawing.

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arnoud3272
02-22-2010, 04:47 PM
kiffays -
Nice work :clap:.
There is only one comment, and that is kinda broken record :lol:, push the darks.
The shapes are very good, but the all gray drawing does not catch the attention.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Feb-2010/142886-kiffays-eye.jpg

Shading with mechanical pencil is a bit different - unless you mean the 2 mm pencil, aka "clutch" pencil. With the thin leads you have to put the strokes much closer together. Most artists will make very short strokes or else use "circulism" (http://wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=323221) (post 2).
You finished the introductory classes, now move on to any class of your choice :thumbsup:

qeenbee
02-22-2010, 11:22 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Feb-2010/120613-101_0037.JPG http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Feb-2010/120613-101_0038.JPG http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Feb-2010/120613-101_0036.JPG http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Feb-2010/120613-101_0039.JPG http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Feb-2010/120613-101_0040.JPG http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Feb-2010/120613-101_0041.JPG

These are my examples of spherical objects. This was fun.

kiffays
02-23-2010, 01:43 AM
Thanks again, arnoud. I think I will take this the class according to the order. There are still lot to learn. :)

arnoud3272
02-23-2010, 08:27 AM
Bobbie -
Well done. You understand the basic forms.
You may now choose any class of your liking :thumbsup:.
If you intend to go beyond preparatory sketching and/or "underdrawing" for other media, I'd advice you to start paying attention to a more sensitive pencil handling.
Many higher classes focus on "realistic" drawing, i.e. smooth shading. But you may as well take them to improve on seeing the exact shapes and proportions.
Keep up the good work :).

qeenbee
02-23-2010, 09:35 AM
Thanks arnoud for all your help,

m50paul
03-12-2010, 11:29 AM
Here are my class 5 sketches:

arnoud3272
03-12-2010, 04:42 PM
Paul -
I think it is time for you to get a clear understanding for yourself of what exactly you want to gain from these classes. Do you want to improve your sketching, as a preparation or an underdrawing for other - painting - media? Or would you like to make drawings that are "finished" in their own right. And if so, whether in a "realistic" style - which in this context means: tending to look as photographs- or with clear emphasis on the linear quality of the medium?
But in any case, "draw what you see", not what you think it should be. If you keep on sketching what you think you see, you may sketch until the cows come home, but you will not improve.
The M&M characters are cartoons anyway, so using your own imagination is OK with me.
The ManRay eye is surrealist, but follows the normal physical laws. You have read that "the iris is a circle", so you draw what you think it should be, a circle. If you look carefully, you will see the effect of the uncommon angle of the photo, the circle in perspective is an ellipse :evil:.
Observe also that you drew the eye too elongated, and that you missed the outside corner.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Mar-2010/142886-paul-eye.jpg

You finished the assignments for this class, but I strongly advise you to continue with the remaining "foundation" classes 6 and 7, before wandering around :thumbsup:

m50paul
03-13-2010, 04:34 AM
Arnoud,

Thanks... I do plan to take 6 & 7 in order...

Arnoud, my only purpose for taking these lessons is to learn about art and drawing.. No interests or desires beyond that. I have no illusions about my skills or abilities. I am retired and have been for 6 years... It wasn't until recently that I realized that there was more to life than just completing the race --- that I have done... So I am now smelling the roses along the way, nothing more nothing less... You should have seen my drawings 4 months ago when I started... although you may not see any improvement in my drawings I do, and you are making a difference by the way. I do appreciate that you take the time to provide your comments I do take them very seriously. You may think I am not listening to you but I have and I am listening. This is all new to me and all though I think I am drawing what I see it is obvious that I am not.... That is something I hope to learn with time

arnoud3272
03-13-2010, 07:53 AM
Paul -
This is an exercise that I found very useful for improving my sketching: when finished sketching, search for the errors and correct them - no erasing, don't care about the mess :D. Then throw it away, or at least lay it out of sight, and sketch again from scratch. And repeat.
A modern tool to look for errors is described in this article. (http://wetcanvas.com/Articles2/2921/521/) (It is described with Photoshop, but it works as well with GIMP, only slightly different menu structure)
Keep up the good work :thumbsup:.

m50paul
03-13-2010, 08:09 AM
Arnoud,

Super..... I have GIMP and trying to learn how it works so this is great...
Thanks

Steven1
03-17-2010, 01:25 PM
Hi Arnoud :wave:
I have attached my drawings for Class 5 if you would be kind enough to have a look at them.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Mar-2010/215697-spheres1.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Mar-2010/215697-spheres_2.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Mar-2010/215697-spheres_3.jpg

Thanks again
Steven :)

arnoud3272
03-17-2010, 06:54 PM
Steven -
All very well done :clap:.
You may now move on to any class of your liking :thumbsup:.

Steven1
03-18-2010, 03:42 AM
Hi Arnoud
sincere thanks for all your help - look forward to hearing from you in the other classes.

Kind Regards
Steven

Tailspin
03-22-2010, 12:41 AM
Hello

Here are my assignments for class 5. Looking forward to your assesment!

The egg, nut, and coffee. Interestingly enough, not far off my breakfast menu this morning.:lol:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Mar-2010/217014-L5-1.jpg

The M&Ms. I probably could have given these guys a little more attention with the finishing stages. Hope they are ok as is.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Mar-2010/217014-L5-2.jpg

This is a cartoon character in Japan. As he is made up of mostly spheres, I figured he would make a good practice subject. I couldn't get the shading of the white areas on his face and belly right though. In the end I just whipped a pencil across lightly and gave up. :(
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Mar-2010/217014-L5-3.jpg
Yes, he is a cat.

Tailspin

arnoud3272
03-22-2010, 08:04 AM
Tailspin -
Nice job :thumbsup:.
Take your time. I don't have to tell you that pupils are black, do I ?:D.
As for shading white areas, "push the darks". If you make the darkest patches as dark as you can, you will have a larger range of midtones, so that you can show the "form shadow" in the light part without losing the strong contrast with the dark area.
You finished the preparatory classes, now you may choose the classes on the media or subjects that interest you most :thumbsup:.

Tailspin
03-22-2010, 11:27 PM
Tailspin -
I don't have to tell you that pupils are black, do I ?:D.

Ahhhh, I didn't even see that! :rolleyes:

I'll keep going numerically with the classes.

Thanks Arnoud!

marie_d
04-06-2010, 04:51 PM
Here are my first few basic shapes.....

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Apr-2010/102905-lesson_5_basic_shape.jpg

arnoud3272
04-07-2010, 03:55 AM
:thumbsup:

marie_d
04-07-2010, 07:18 AM
Basic rough sketch M&M's.....Arnoud would you give it a quick once over before I put any detail in.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Apr-2010/102905-m_and_m_rough_sketch.jpg

Thanks....

ps. just spotted there are no eye lids, will define them when detailing.

arnoud3272
04-07-2010, 07:53 AM
Marie -
Outlines look good :thumbsup:.

marie_d
04-07-2010, 01:06 PM
Finished M&m's......

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Apr-2010/102905-mandm_finished.jpg

arnoud3272
04-07-2010, 04:55 PM
Marie -
This is nicely done :clap:.
But it would have been a lot more realistic with more varied tones (values). The spheres look very flat with those even tones. It is the subject of class 8, but I know you understand, because I see it in several paintings in your signature. Photos tend to compress the range of values (digital photos in particular, the old B&W photos had a much larger range). But if you crank up the contrast, the differences become clear:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Apr-2010/142886-MM-hdr.jpg

Observe in particular his eyelids, a spherical form, not a painted-on line.
Of course, all this depends on the intention of the artist, "flat" spheres are quite acceptable in comics or in illustration of children books.

You finished the first classes, you may now choose any higher class, in any order.
Keep up the good work :thumbsup:.

marie_d
04-07-2010, 05:13 PM
Thank you Arnoud...I can now see the shape of the eyelids as you have cranked up the contrast. Thanks for the tip.

Will do a couple of lessons from each class in order I think...so see you there:thumbsup:

joetrece
04-21-2010, 06:26 PM
Thanks for looking at these. I'm sorry the images are fuzzy. I've been using the image-processing suggestions, but can't get the images any clearer.

Joe

arnoud3272
04-22-2010, 01:04 PM
Joe -
It is rather difficult to judge, but as far as I can see, it looks as if you understand the sphere well :thumbsup:.
I am puzzled by the bad quality of your pictures. I asked before, but you didn't answer: what size have your drawings? And I'd like to know how you digitize it? scanner? cell-phone?

joetrece
04-22-2010, 02:35 PM
Thanks for your comments, Arnoud. I'm sorry I didn't answer your earlier question. Here are some details on how I process my drawings:

- I digitize with an inexpensive Kodak digital camera. The original file size of the digitized drawings, before cropping, is 1024 by 768 pixels. My image processing program, Gimp, reports the image sizes to be about 361 by 271 millimeters--before cropping. Gimp also reports 72x72 dots per inch.

- I usually light them with low-wattage, incandescent lighting -- which I think is part of the problem. I think sunlight might light the drawings more evenly.

Part of the problem was that I was too close to some drawings when I photographed them. I've fixed that. Also, I was simply drawing too small. I need to draw bigger.

Thanks again, Arnoud. Should I move onto the next class?

Joe

arnoud3272
04-22-2010, 03:24 PM
....I digitize with an inexpensive Kodak digital camera. The original file size of the digitized drawings, before cropping, is 1024 by 768 pixels. Thank you for the prompt answer :). But I was not clear enough, I meant the real size, of your drawing on the paper :lol:. And I'm curious about the size after cropping (in pixels, yes :D).
And yes, you may choose any of the next classes, in any order :thumbsup:.

joetrece
04-22-2010, 05:30 PM
Thanks for sending me to the next class, Arnoud! Here are more details about the images I'm working with.

The paper I draw all images on is 8.5 by 11 inches (22 by 28 cm). The cropped images are sized as follows:

- M & M image: 14 by 12 cm, 778 by 585 pix
- Time machine: 10 by 11 cm, 640 by 606 pix
- Light bulb: 13 by 9 cm, 750 by 603 pix

Thanks again.

Joe

arnoud3272
04-23-2010, 09:34 AM
Thank you for the details, Joe.
Well, I don't see what can be wrong, the pictures should be much better with these characteristics :(.

Frinthy
05-27-2010, 07:00 AM
Arnoud -

I really enjoyed drawing the eye of Man Ray. Thank you :cat:

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arnoud3272
05-27-2010, 01:21 PM
Frinthy -
Well done.
The surrealist quality of the eye stems mainly from the extreme point of view. That results in an extreme perspective "distortion", which you missed a bit: the eye ball is a sphere, obviously :D. A "great circle" on a sphere looks straight if looked directly upon, think of the equator - the lower eyelid is drawn too curved for this very low POV. And the iris is not shallow enough.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-May-2010/142886-frinthy-eye-corr.JPG
Otherwise, you did get a good representation of the forms :clap:. Also the M&M cartoon is well drawn.
You finished the introduction, you may now choose any class in any order :thumbsup:. I think it is time now to reflect on what you want to achieve. Is it sketching and "value studies" for other media, or do you want to include "finished" drawings in their own right? In the latter case, I'd advice you to work on your "line quality". It is a rather confusing concept, but here is at least an introduction (http://daphne.palomar.edu/design/line.html) to it.
Keep up the good work :wave:.

Frinthy
05-28-2010, 04:42 AM
Arnoud -

Regarding the eye, I tuned the picture to see the different levels of shadows more or less. Do you think it is cheating? How different in relevance is the method of drawing photos from actually drawing from life?

I would like to aim at finished drawings in their own right. It would be great to have technically correct representations. I am going to follow your advice on lines.

THANK YOU Arnoud

By the way my green tea tastes like fish. :o

arnoud3272
05-28-2010, 06:19 AM
Frinthy -
Cheating ?:lol:.
If you search the forums on "cheating", you will find that it is an ongoing discussion :D. What would be cheating is running a photo through some Photoshop filters and presenting it as a "photo-realistic graphite drawing". Don't worry about technical means that assist you in learning to draw better :).
Likewise, there is a permanent discussion on the relative merits of working from life against working from photos. Working from life will teach you the most, but it is very frustrating for beginners because of the time constraints. The exception here is still life. So normally you would start with photos. But also, many teachers stress the importance of copying old masters. If you want to learn to paint, copy paintings; if you want to learn to draw, copy drawings. You will learn subtle "tricks" - to put it unceremoniously - to represent the scene in an artistic way.

Frinthy
05-28-2010, 07:50 AM
Arnoud -

True, I was a bit worried about this. It makes sense now.
Thanks a lot

Frinthy :heart:


Frinthy -
Cheating ?:lol:.
If you search the forums on "cheating", you will find that it is an ongoing discussion :D. What would be cheating is running a photo through some Photoshop filters and presenting it as a "photo-realistic graphite drawing". Don't worry about technical means that assist you in learning to draw better :).
Likewise, there is a permanent discussion on the relative merits of working from life against working from photos. Working from life will teach you the most, but it is very frustrating for beginners because of the time constraints. The exception here is still life. So normally you would start with photos. But also, many teachers stress the importance of copying old masters. If you want to learn to paint, copy paintings; if you want to learn to draw, copy drawings. You will learn subtle "tricks" - to put it unceremoniously - to represent the scene in an artistic way.

Sercei
06-02-2010, 11:38 AM
Arnoud,
Thanks so much for your comments at the end of lesson 4. They are really appreciated.

Here are my class 5 exercises. I'm surprised at how long it took me to draw the M&M dispenser. Their hands were really difficult for me, I couldn't figure out the fingers that were pointing towards me at all.

I'm not happy at all with Bat Masterson. I think I'll have to try him again.

I got pretty discouraged drawing both the M&Ms and Bat, I know it takes lots of practice. I'm trying to draw what I see. I take lots of time to look at my subject, but getting it onto the paper is harder than it seems.

Thanks again,
Melanie

PS - be gentle :lol:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Jun-2010/223647-class5.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Jun-2010/223647-mms.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Jun-2010/223647-batmasterson.jpg

arnoud3272
06-02-2010, 05:42 PM
Melanie -
Nice job :thumbsup:.
The general exercises are well done; and you got a convincing M&M cartoon.
Heads, even without achieving the likeness, are very difficult. The old advice is to step back frequently, it is easier to see the proportions from a distance. And put the proportions right before getting serious on the shading. The high tech variant of stepping back is to put a scan and the reference side to side on the screen:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Jun-2010/142886-melanie-batmasterson.jpg

The subject of this class is the sphere, not portraiture, so for me you may consider this class as finished. That means that you may choose any higher class, in any order :).

Sercei
06-02-2010, 07:03 PM
Thank you!! :clap:

Artra
06-10-2010, 06:33 PM
Hi Arnoud :)

Well I certainly hope I do better in this class but not holding up much hope. On top of my obvious lack of skills, I seemed to have some scanner issues.:( I played with highlights, mid-tones and shadows as well as gamma on the first three sketches, then gave up and posted the other sketches as they came through the scanner. I think I was making things worse :lol:.

Take a deep breath, say ohm a few times, then peek please.

arnoud3272
06-11-2010, 06:03 AM
Grace -
Nicely done :clap:. One point to look out for. the motto of this class is "draw what you see", i.e. take care that you don't draw the standardized, remembered forms. For instance an eye has an almond form, and the iris is a circle. In this surrealist photo the extreme low point of view causes a strong perspective distortion: the lower eye lid follows a slight S-curve, and the iris (and the pupil as well) is more an ellipse than you drew it.

485429.

I like the drawing of the watch with the reflections very much.
You did very well in these first classes, you may now choose any class, in any order :thumbsup:.
Keep up the good work :)

Artra
06-11-2010, 03:29 PM
Thanks so much Arnoud. I really do appreciate your critiques - they help such a lot.

No doubt I will be seeing you around :D
Thanks again!

CharlieD
07-14-2010, 06:17 PM
Class 5 Sphere, Egg, Nut, Cuppa and Eye

arnoud3272
07-15-2010, 09:18 AM
Charlie -
Well sketched :thumbsup:.
A few tips to improve, in particular if you aim at "finished" drawings.
Sphere: I'm a bit confused by the second highlight at the top, but OK, the correct "shading formula" will be studued in class 8. But I think you could have avoided the "dimple".

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Jul-2010/142886-charlie-sphere.JPG

Good to know: an eraser is not only for correcting, it is a drawing instrument, in particular the kneaded eraser - the best (http://www.sibleyfineart.com/tutorial--erasing-pencil-blu-tack.htm) for graphite is poster putty e.g. "Blu-tack" (TM)

Avoid taking the easiest way for the direction of the shading strokes, like children in a coloring book, parallel to the outline. Instead try to strengthen the 3D illusion with a consistent stroke direction and form - straight for flat planes, curved for rounded.
You did it very well on the cup :clap:.

The eye is a difficult picture, but it is one of the subjects where getting the correct form is critical. People are too well acquainted with the correct form :evil:.
Before the PC era, and still now in drawing from life, comparing reference and drawing is by stepping back. On the PC, you can put the scan and the reference side by side to compare. (My highlighting of the main difference is a bit superfluous :D)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Jul-2010/142886-charlie-eye.JPG

This comparison shows also very clearly that your drawing lacks sufficient darks, it looks bland with only mid tones. Achieving good darks needs working in layers, don't try to put it down in one go.

You are now ready to choose freely among the other classes :thumbsup:.

CharlieD
07-15-2010, 12:13 PM
Hi arnoud.

The Sphere dimple confused me too tbh. Not quite sure of the cause, but I think the camera is picking up something on paper and exaggerating it.



Thank you arnoud

Maggie_M
07-28-2010, 07:18 PM
It was nice to have time to draw while on vacation - but I'm back now to the real world. I forgot to take a print with me of the M&M's so I hope the apple will substitute.

arnoud3272
07-29-2010, 07:48 AM
Maggie -
Very nice job :clap::clap:.
You have a good eye for the forms, both contours and "sculptural" form (shading).
Move on to any of the remaining classes, you may take them in any order :thumbsup:.

Maggie_M
07-29-2010, 11:06 AM
Thanks Arnoud

I'm looking forward to exploring more.

silvabl
08-01-2010, 07:26 PM
Here are some eyes I drew for practice a week ago. I believe they pertain to this class. I will work on the egg, nut, etc. if needed.

The last eye is off. The cornea is more oval than circular. I noticed this right away, but again I had no idea it would pertain to this class and it was just for fun and practice. Also there is too much shadowing on the right side of the cornea on the first eye, or I may be mistaken.

arnoud3272
08-02-2010, 10:56 AM
Brian -
Nice job :clap:. I have no comments in strict relation to this class, but I will diverge a bit on your drawing in the main forum. You received very good advice on what would be good to change, but not so much on how to achieve it. I reckon your chosen style for this drawing is "realistic", that is, in the interpretation of this forum as an abbreviation for the postmodern "photo realism". The secret is patience, take your time. Build up the dark tones gradually, in many layers, without pressure. You should see the difference only after 3 or 4 passes. Hold your pencil back from the point, so that you cannot apply pressure. It is also expedient to make some passes where you don't try to darken, but look for white spots to correct. Caution! don't turn them into black spots :evil:.
It takes P & P -- practice and patience .
Coming back to this class, I think it would boost your confidence if you try this first on an egg. Try to really "sculpt" with the shading, suggesting the 3D form. And in a "realistic" style, the separate pencil strokes should not be discernible, it is one smooth gradation.
(Observe how on the cup in class 4, and on the eyes here, many separate strokes are visible; often that is when you want the final tone too soon, and press too hard on the pencil)
Keep up the good work :thumbsup:.

silvabl
08-02-2010, 11:07 AM
Thank you very much. I do tend to rush and when attempting darks I go right for it, not layering (which is actually a new term to me but I think I understand what is meant by it). Lately I have been holding my pencils near the end, making my strokes very light.

So with layering, should I maintain direction with my strokes or, for instance, left>right then second layer up>down, and so forth?

Wow. I'm learning alot here. I can't wait to utilize what I've learned and what I already know and create a flawless (to me anyway) drawing in the future. patience patience. Right, I'm going to work on the egg first chance I get.

arnoud3272
08-02-2010, 11:20 AM
....
So with layering, should I maintain direction with my strokes or, for instance, left>right then second layer up>down, and so forth?
Brian -
Yes, change the direction often. There are many personal preferences, some artists use relatively long strokes, other very short, many prefer a kind of small "C" shapes "circulism" (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=303634) is the jargon. It is good to experiment :).

silvabl
08-02-2010, 02:09 PM
I use short strokes but I sometimes use the circular method. I heard of this from JD Hillberry, an artist from Colorado, USA, in a book he compiled with tips, tricks and lessons. A bit too much going on for me but a few things like ciculism I remembered. I'm going to attempt this on the egg. I think that motion working towards a curved shadow will work wonders.

silvabl
08-02-2010, 06:37 PM
arnoud - here are my egg, nut and m&m's. The m&m was tough to do with the only image I could find being in high contrast. I would do one of the picture images but they are absent from JayD's original post. I did find the eye floating around though. Are the eyes I posted sufficient or would you like me to attempt this threads eye?

arnoud3272
08-03-2010, 07:19 AM
Brian -
I would do one of the picture images but they are absent from JayD's original post. Yes, the migration is a nuisance :(. But did you forget that the assignments are also available in PDF (http://www.atreesse.com/home/wetcanvaspdf.html)?

Two remarks on the M&M:
1. Push the darks :evil:.
2. The outlines of spheres (real spheres, not baseball balls) are always drawn as a perfect circle. Your M&M figurines look rather squashed.

Did you try to emulate Columbus with the egg :lol:?
Apart from the impossible pose, the egg is very well drawn :clap:, definitely on a par with the requirements of this class.
But as you took an interest in the drawing style of J.D. Hillberry, Mike Sibley and the like:

It takes a lot of practice, but it is also a matter of learning to see, so here is a bit of sensitizing:
1. There are no edges on a smoothly curved surface, so the transition in several places is too harsh:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Aug-2010/142886-brian-egg-corr.JPG

2. You are still going too fast. Putting too much pressure on the pencil too soon. Observe how many individual strokes are still showing:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Aug-2010/142886-brian-egg-corr-2.JPG
You finished the first classes successfully :clap:. You may now choose any class in any order.
:wave:

silvabl
08-03-2010, 07:56 AM
Thanks arnoud.

My bad habits are, hopefully, being broken on the Matrix WIP. I've transfered that to Bristol which lets me experiment with what you see posted in the main forum. I think the main thing holding me back is the fear of overdoing something and completely ruining a drawing. Of course, that is necessary for a person to become better. By learning from ones mistakes. I just need to let go and make it fun, not a chore.

My main focus is realism. What classes, apart from the realism class, would you suggest I do from this point? Definitely a shadowing class. Thanks again.

arnoud3272
08-03-2010, 01:19 PM
Brian -
IMO important classes would be, first 101 - 8 (the "shadow formula' and a first "realist rendering" assignment) also class 102 - 8 ("push the darks") further class 101 - 10 (general principles, applied to still life) and class 101 - 16 (folds are everywhere).
Remaining classes are clearly oriented on specific subjects, c.q. other media -- choose as thought interesting.
:wave:

Marie-réunion
08-29-2010, 08:25 AM
Hi arnoud, here are my exercises of class 5 :
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arnoud3272
08-29-2010, 10:30 AM
Marie-Noelle -
Good job :thumbsup:.
I'd advice to revisit my last comments in class 4. The foreshortening of top and bottom ellipses is again as you think it is, not as you see it - do the suggested exercise, without moving the object, our mind has the knack to fool us :evil:.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Aug-2010/142886-marie-vase-corr.JPG

I gather from your pre-class drawing that you are particularly interested in portraiture. This is not yet a class on portraiture, but I'll offer you 2 pointers already.
1. Putting reference and drawing side by side at the same scale helps a lot to see where you're off. Perhaps bizarre, but this works much better on the computer screen than IRL :D.
2. Look in the mirror for the position of your ears in relation to the other "landmarks".
Even allowing for your changing the tilt of his head, you drew the ear much too high. No worries, this is one of the most common errors in portraiture :lol:.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Aug-2010/142886-marie-bat-corr.JPG

You worked very well in these introductory classes, now you can choose any of the remaining classes, in any order :thumbsup:.
Keep up the good work.

Marie-réunion
08-30-2010, 02:41 AM
Thank for your help arnoud,
I try to remember and put into practice the 2 points on portraiture.
About the ellipses more of practice, I will do again the exercises... see you in the class6.

renzolw
09-27-2010, 12:54 PM
Well, here are my assignments for this class.

Renzo

arnoud3272
09-27-2010, 03:05 PM
Renzo -
Very good job :clap::clap:.
The basic forms are carefully reproduced, and you know already how to "model" with the shading.
You're ready to start in any of the next classes :thumbsup:.

muvs32
09-30-2010, 04:23 PM
Have taken some time to do some pencil work and here it is:http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Sep-2010/228972-circles_001.jpghttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Sep-2010/228972-eye_ball_001.jpghttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Sep-2010/228972-pencil_man_001.jpghttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Sep-2010/228972-mm_people_001.jpg

arnoud3272
10-01-2010, 05:48 AM
muvs -
I'm a bit confused. I think you have used the wrong mode when scanning, "line art" or "text" instead of "gray" or "color". There are only some ugly patches where I expected shading. In general the outlines have the correct shape, but everything looks flat, "cut out", because of the lack of shading. But the eye is a good example of "drawing what you know it should look like". The surrealist angle results in an unexpected line of the lower eyelid. It is due to :evil: perspective: the equator on the globe is also a straight line in 2D presentation.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Oct-2010/142886-muvs-eye_corr.jpg

You are ready to move on to any class that you fancy. My advice is to search more for the 3D form, don't rely too much on outlines, they tend to flatten the form. Look more to masses of light and dark. When recognized, they can very well be expressed in lines, smooth shading is definitely not the only artistic style.

muvs32
10-03-2010, 11:21 AM
Thanks for the critique arnoud. My scanner is about to blow up I think, there was much more shading going on in the pics for certain. If I can I will take a picture from cam that might be better in future.

As for where I'm heading I am starting to see the value in still life :) I need to work some things out.

Weatherman
10-03-2010, 03:51 PM
Time to do another lesson.

The first is eggs from my kitchen. The chap with the hat I changed a bit, but it was fun, so I´ve put portraits on the list of classes I want to do. Einar
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Oct-2010/216509-img128_800.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Oct-2010/216509-img131_800.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Oct-2010/216509-img132_800.jpg

arnoud3272
10-03-2010, 05:45 PM
Einar -
Excellent work :clap::clap:.
There is only one remark, and that is already on a higher level than this class: push the darks :lol:.
Even white eggs on white drapery have deeper shadows than one would think.
On the M&M's there are some nice dark details, but the variety in the mid tones is lacking, it makes the drawing rather bland.
The portrait has nice darks, but there is some inconsistency: our left side of the hat is in the shadow, but that side of the face and neck is in the light :confused:. Other than that, the portrait is very well executed :clap:, the quality of the photo makes it very difficult to obtain a good likeness.
See you in one of the higher classes :thumbsup:.

Weatherman
10-04-2010, 05:27 PM
Arnoud !

Thank you for your remarks !

Lesson 7 is next on my list. I´m looking forward to that one. But right now I´m planning a tree study.

Einar

LittleBear
11-29-2010, 02:09 PM
Hi!
My submissions for this class.

I had some trouble rendering the texture of the orange (if you can even tell that's what it's supposed to be) and I think it interfered with showing the form. Should I re-do? Or perhaps try another subject?

Thank you for looking!
Alex

LittleBear
11-29-2010, 04:29 PM
Hmm, and I seemed to have mislabeled all of my drawings as Class 4 when this is Class 5. Really, I know where I am. :rolleyes:

arnoud3272
11-29-2010, 04:53 PM
Hmm, and I seemed to have mislabeled all of my drawings as Class 4 when this is Class 5. Really, I know where I am. :rolleyes: :lol::lol:

Well done in class 5:clap:.
A few remarks:
-- it is really the subject of a higher class, but look at the drawing of the egg, the lighting is very confusing: for the highlight the light comes from top left front, the cast shadow on the ground comes from a light top left back, and the cast shadow on the wall looks as from a low front light!
-- remembering the motto of this class "draw what you see":
the surrealist eye by Man Ray has a very extremely low viewpoint, so that the lower eyelid is more or less in the position of the equator, i.e. almost straight, not as you'd expect from the "concept eye"

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Nov-2010/142886-alex-Eye-corr.jpg

You did a good job, and you finished the introduction. Now you may choose any higher class in any order :thumbsup:

LittleBear
11-30-2010, 06:45 PM
-- it is really the subject of a higher class, but look at the drawing of the egg, the lighting is very confusing: for the highlight the light comes from top left front, the cast shadow on the ground comes from a light top left back, and the cast shadow on the wall looks as from a low front light!


The shadow on the "wall" is actually my misguided attempt to create an edge without a line. :o And I see your point about the light-source. I see now that I made the same error on the orange as well. I think I was trying too hard to create roundness with the shadow, and overdid it. Thank you for your feedback! Perhaps I can re-attempt the egg in the appropriate higher class.
Alex

iqaluit
12-11-2010, 09:57 AM
Hello Arnoud, here are some exercises from class 5. Thank you for your review.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Dec-2010/216117-class5c.jpghttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Dec-2010/216117-class5b.jpghttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Dec-2010/216117-class5a.jpg

arnoud3272
12-11-2010, 06:16 PM
iqaluit -
Well done :clap:.
These are nice drawings. You have a good understanding of the basic forms. From here on you may choose any of the following classes in any order :thumbsup:.
Keep up the good work :)

newkidontheblock
01-03-2011, 07:37 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Jan-2011/500681-5spherical1.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Jan-2011/500681-5spherical2.JPG
This is my first ever portrait so am quite happy with it although of course it looks nothing like the subject! Once again my perspective and proportions are wrong. Hat too tall, top shape wrong etc. Will keep practicing those suggestions of proportion exercises you gave Arnoud. Now need to investigate a software program to assist with comparisons to original.
Thanks, Lyn OOps sorry this is so HUGE. Need to look at changing size :)

newkidontheblock
01-03-2011, 10:02 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Jan-2011/500681-5spherical5.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Jan-2011/500681-5spherical6.JPG
Sorry these are still so big. Once on the computer I can see faults in the work a lot easier.
Thanks Arnoud for your criticque.
Lyn

chaddukes
01-03-2011, 10:07 PM
Here is my attempt at the eye/tears. This is the only part of this that I've done so far, but I'm trying to focus my efforts more on the areas where I need help.

The drawing got a little smudged on the scanner. You can see some areas where it looks smudged.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Jan-2011/553031-Glass_Tears_-_small.JPG

arnoud3272
01-04-2011, 05:45 AM
Lyn -
Good job :clap:.
You have a good basic understanding. Now you are ready to jump around in the classroom, choose any class in any order :thumbsup:.
For software, I refer you to the following informative threads:
Free programs (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203090)
Powerful method of comparing (http://wetcanvas.com/Articles2/2921/521/) (described for Photoshop, but works also in GIMP, with slightly different commands.
:wave:

newkidontheblock
01-04-2011, 06:13 AM
Thanks Arnoud. Seeing I am so new at all this I will continue onto the next lesson. See you there.

arnoud3272
01-04-2011, 07:05 AM
Chad -
Nice work on the surroundings of the eye :clap:.
Comparing side by side in the same size, you see that the details are not always in exactly the same proportions. Most are only important if you see it as an exercise. But two shapes are essential for the surrealist spirit of the photo: you've changed the perspective, the viewpoint. The photo was taken from an exaggerated low angle: the lower eyelid is about on the equator of the eyeball, nearly straight. And the iris (circle in perspective: an ellipse) is still not narrow enough.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Jan-2011/142886-chad-Glass_Tears-corr.JPG

The subject matter in this class is the sphere. But the eyeball, the sphere, is the detail that you neglected, it doesn't feel as a sphere, it looks rather flat, cut out. It needs a lot more shading. Don't assume that the "white" of the eye is white :lol:. In realistic drawing, and that is clearly what you intended, only the highlights are white.
:wave:

chaddukes
01-04-2011, 10:27 PM
Thanks for pointing some of that out. The reason why I posted it here is because I knew I'd get some constructive criticism that I could work with.

There are two things that you said that I anticipated. I knew that the shape of the lower eyelid wasn't quite right. The eye was a little too "open" if you know what I mean. Though I wasn't sure how to fix it. I spent a great deal of effort trying to get the shape of the upper and lower eyelids correct and this was the best that I could come up with.

The second was that there wasn't much shading on the eye ball. Some of that was because my one year old attacked the photo with a pencil when I wasn't looking and I had to use white charcoal to cover those errant (and rather dark) marks. Some of it was because I was afraid to mess it up at that point. I though that if I ended up making it too dark I wouldn't have much recourse in fixing the mistake.

But, there are a couple of things that I didn't anticipate. I didn't anticipate what you said about the perspective of the eye not being correct. The second was talking about the ellipse of the iris. I'm still not quite sure that I understand those things that you're saying there. Before doing this drawing I actually attempted to draw an eyeball (without the surrounding tissue) to see if I could get a better idea of how it was supposed to look. But, it didn't turn out very well. The biggest struggle was the iris. I still struggle with drawing an ellipse.

I have a lot more basic work to do. I'll be going back to the class on ellipses and cylinders before doing more with this lesson.

Thanks for your help!

EJN
02-08-2011, 02:47 PM
Hello Arnoud,

here is my spherical objects.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2011/178170-Cup__5.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2011/178170-Lemon_5.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2011/178170-Teapot_milk_5.jpg

EJN
02-08-2011, 03:25 PM
/http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2011/178170-Egg__5.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2011/178170-Eye_5.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2011/178170-Hot_air_balloon__5.jpg

arnoud3272
02-08-2011, 04:12 PM
Elena -
Well done :clap:.
These are nice drawings.
One remark, for future practice: comparing with the hand written date, I think you draw rather small :(. I'd certainly advice to draw much larger; the level of detail that you attempted on the Man Ray eye does not come out all too well in that small scale.
Also, as you are interested in portraiture, eyes are the first thing that people look at - take care not to make them too large proportionally, kinda popping out :lol:.
You have a good understanding of the basic forms. From here on you may choose any of the following classes in any order :thumbsup:.
Keep up the good work :)

EJN
02-09-2011, 08:07 PM
Thank you very much Arnoud for all your help. Yes, I made an eye drawing too small. I could not make it look right :eek:. It had an evil :evil: or sick :( expression all the time, and then I decided to give it a last try. I have measured it time and again and squeezed this eye is a small squire, because I already didn't like it so much. :lol:

inkslinger427
02-20-2011, 03:53 PM
Hey there Arnoud! hpoe your having an awesome day. I've been working on this for a good while, and something just isn't right and I can't quite put my finger on it. I know that its crap for a portriat, but this was never my strong suit, but aside from the general, over-all crappiness, there's still something wrong mechanically or mathimatically. Can ya' help me? Please! :o

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Feb-2011/556291-bat_2.JPG

arnoud3272
02-20-2011, 06:04 PM
Tim -
The upper half is almost correct :thumbsup:. But look how the ear should be a bit lower. And the shape of the eyes is less what "you think an eye should look like". And as in all old portraits, he is looking straight into the lens.
The problem start from the mouth down, all features are sinking down :(.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Feb-2011/142886-tim-bat_2.jpg

:wave:

inkslinger427
02-20-2011, 06:11 PM
After staring at this on the previous post, I saw a bunch of stuff and fixed it. still alot more is wrong, I reckon I'll sit and stare at it some more.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Feb-2011/556291-A1_bat.JPG

inkslinger427
02-20-2011, 06:16 PM
I must have been doing my last post while you were replying, arnoud. I'm going to work on all that you just mentioned and try again. thank you for your time and effort in doing this. It shows a true love for art and a humanitarian spirit to give so freely of your time for no more recompensation then the joy and excitment of your students. My hats off to you, Sir.

inkslinger427
02-20-2011, 08:34 PM
Here is the latest and greatest on my portrait endevor. I think I might be sneaking up on it. Sure do hope so.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Feb-2011/556291-AA1_Bat.JPG

looks a bit like young Teddy Roosevelt, doesn't it?

arnoud3272
02-21-2011, 05:36 AM
Tim -
The proportion errors have been flattened out, but now the whole face is too small:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Feb-2011/142886-tim-Bat-corr.JPG

Do you draw with your paper flat on the table? It is much easier to avoid this problem by using a drawing board, e.g. a piece of hardboard, under an angle, as resting in your lap, propped up against the table.
Keep up the good work :thumbsup:

inkslinger427
02-21-2011, 12:22 PM
I see what your saying about the face is to small. Sometimes I think that i try to hard and don't step away enough to get a fresh prespective. looking at it earlier this morning was a diffrent view then last night. I will re-do this, but I think after I work on something else for a while. never have been any good at portraites, this is actually my best ever. Thank you again for the guidance and advice, it is much appreciated and aknowledged.

inkslinger427
02-21-2011, 01:45 PM
I decided to do one more thing before i leave it alone for a while. I made a tracing and used my divider on my laptop screen to get proportianal relationships, and made corrections on it. If you don't mind, and at your lesiure, would you set this tracing/ sketch up beside the photo reference and use your marvelous comparitor software to let me know if I'm in the relm of reality.Thank you! :crossfingers:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Feb-2011/556291-A_clear_bat.JPG

I really hope I'm at least sneaking up on it!

arnoud3272
02-21-2011, 04:38 PM
Tim -
:lol:
Well, tracing from a photo is not so straightforward, particularly when low quality. Computers are not hampered by "interpretation", and are sometimes better in deciding where the outline should be located.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Feb-2011/142886-tim-bat-corr.JPG

You see that you did not bad at all with respect to the general proportions :thumbsup:. Only some detailed shapes are off: eyes are too large and not correctly oriented, moustache is drooping too much. The shadow of the chin is too broad for the program to interpret, but I would draw the chin a bit higher than you did.
Now take heart :heart:, portraiture is one of the (many people will say THE) most difficult subjects :).

inkslinger427
02-21-2011, 09:30 PM
I wasn't clear about what I did in my erlier post. I traced the outline of my first drawing and used my dividers on a clear picture on my laptop, because my printer is giving me some problems. I made my corrections on the tracing paper, which is the image I asked you to compare to ref. photo.
I very much agree that portraiture IS the hardest aspect of drawing, and that is why I fully intend to come at least semi competent in this area. What program is that that you are using?

arnoud3272
02-22-2011, 08:11 AM
.... What program is that that you are using? Oh well. The program is GIMP, but there is no ready-made filter that works well enough on its own :(, I used a judicious mix of 4 or 5 filters in sequence. Too much off-topic to treat in depth here :lol:.

inkslinger427
02-23-2011, 02:27 PM
Well, I'm back. Had some real nasty virus in computer, and it was a bear. some of that malware is TOUGH! anyway, I'm re-doing my Bat Masterson drawing, will post soon. If I want to ask something thats off topic, do I PM the individiul?

arnoud3272
02-23-2011, 02:53 PM
.... If I want to ask something thats off topic, do I PM the individual? It depends. First of all, it is OK as long as it does not result in a long discussion.
And in many forums there is a "chat" thread for anything that people like to discuss. For instance "The Drawing Room" (D & S), "Go Figure" (The Figure), "Weekly Brayer" (Printmaking), "The Ink Well" (Pen and Ink), "Quick Dry Cafe" (Acrylics), "Outside the Lines" (Colored Pencil), etc. etc.

inkslinger427
02-25-2011, 01:07 AM
Thank you for the info. After our brief discourse on workshops and your mentioning metalworking, I wonder if you are familiar with Lindsey publishing and "uncle" Dave Gindrich?

arnoud3272
02-25-2011, 04:16 AM
I wonder if you are familiar with Lindsey publishing and "uncle" Dave Gindrich?
:confused: No, not even a clue :).

inkslinger427
02-25-2011, 10:04 AM
www.lindsaybks.com is thier web address. Daves last name is gindrey, I almost always get that wrong. These folks publish alot of interesting and inexpensive books dealing with a miriade of diversified subjects, alot of which deal with machining, casting metal, forging, building machinary etc. catalog is free, check it out! If nothing else, there is some very entertaining diolog through out this little catalog.

inkslinger427
02-25-2011, 10:23 AM
I guess theres no better time then now to post my latest attempt at portriature. Hope this one is coming along better. :D I know there are still issues, and any advice/ critisisim is appreciated. Thanks!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Feb-2011/556291-1_fine_bat.JPG

arnoud3272
02-25-2011, 10:32 AM
:thumbsup:
Thank you :heart:.

inkslinger427
02-25-2011, 01:37 PM
Had enough time to make some more progress on Bat. Think I might really be going in the right direction now......hope so, anyway. All comments, advice help etc. appreciated. Thanks!!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Feb-2011/556291-1A_bat.JPG

arnoud3272
02-26-2011, 07:27 AM
Tim -
Very well done :clap::clap:. You've shown a big improvement throughout this class :thumbsup:.
You finished the foundation classes successfully, you may jump to any class in any order now :).
Keep up the good work.

inkslinger427
02-26-2011, 09:01 AM
thanks! Appreciate the uplifting encouragement. Have a great day, see you in class 6.

Magdalena Ladwik
05-13-2011, 10:09 AM
Hello, Arnoud could You review my class 5 assignment, please?
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/../Community/images/13-May-2011/952977-egg.JPG (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/../Community/Uploader/upload_image_save2.php#)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/../Community/images/13-May-2011/952977-cup.JPG (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/../Community/Uploader/upload_image_save2.php#)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/../Community/images/13-May-2011/952977-mm.JPG (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/../Community/Uploader/upload_image_save2.php#)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/../Community/images/13-May-2011/952977-eye.JPG (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/../Community/Uploader/upload_image_save2.php#)
Thank You for your helpful and kind instructions.
Magdalena.

arnoud3272
05-13-2011, 03:42 PM
Magdalena - Nice work :clap:. You got a good grip on the spheric form. I think you exaggerated the sphere of the Man Ray eye:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-May-2011/142886-magdalena-eye.JPG

The reference is a surrealist picture, but still shows a normal human eye. You made her suffer from some terrible disease :lol:.
After all careful measuring and comparing, it is a good idea to apply some common sense: does it look right? Sometimes you have to deviate from the reference to produce a believable drawing. Cameras, particularly small snapshot cameras - or cell phones!, do distort.
You did very well in these introductory classes, you may now continue in any class in any order :thumbsup:.

Magdalena Ladwik
05-13-2011, 04:10 PM
Yes now I can see that she suffers from some terrible scary disease :lol: I should have compare it as You did (I like this idea, I mean comparing side by side with lines).
Arnoud thank You for your time and patience in introductory classes. I would love to do class 8 next but I feel that I should do 6 and 7 before.
See You in next class :wave:

Sandra39
05-18-2011, 10:36 AM
Hello Arnoud;
Here is the exercise for class 5, kindly review it for me. Hope you are enjoying your day. It's very nice here at the beach.

Sandi C.

Sandra39
05-18-2011, 10:38 AM
The images didn' take. Will try again.

Sandi C.

Sandra39
05-18-2011, 10:40 AM
Here they are.

Sandi C.

arnoud3272
05-18-2011, 05:18 PM
Sandi - Good job everything :clap:. The surrealist eye is a tad more open in the reference, but otherwise very well done. You may choose any class in any order now :thumbsup:.

maisygrrl
06-11-2011, 08:24 PM
Just a quick post -- I've got a couple finished exercises for this class and will post them (and the one I'm currently working on) in the morning after I get them photographed. But I had to put this up now since I was all excited by the difference in the two drawings.

I've had this egg sitting in a folder of random reference photos for quite a long time, ever since I drew it nearly a year and a half ago while I was working through some shading exercises I found online somewhere. I redrew the same egg today. Guess I really am getting somewhere :lol: I'm trying to get away from having visible outlines and am ending up with some messy edges instead, but it looks light years better than the older version.

Jan 2010:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Jun-2011/968565-2010-01-31-egg-resized.jpg

June 2011:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Jun-2011/968565-2011-06-11-egg-resized.jpg

arnoud3272
06-12-2011, 05:52 AM
Daisy - :thumbsup:
it looks light years better than the older version.
As to the blurred edges, that is because they get the same texture from the paper as the shading. For "realistic" drawing, most artists prefer a smooth paper. The choice of pencil grade (softer grades follow the texture more) is also of influence, and keeping your pencil sharp when doing the edges. Most important however is still practice.
:)

maisygrrl
06-12-2011, 11:51 AM
I was eyeing the bristol board while at the art supply store buying pencils yesterday. I'll have to try some of that soon and see how it goes with the smoother texture. I've recently started trying to get in the habit of layering the darker areas instead of just going at it with a 4B, and from what I've done of the eye drawing so far it looks like that's helping some, too.

Here's what I've got so far -- the eye is still in progress. I really didn't give the clock/thermometer gadget as much attention as I should have. I was watching the temperature go up and up while I was drawing it and was unable to think about anything but how hot it was in here, so I kinda rushed through it :o

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Jun-2011/968565-2011-06-11-clock-resized.jpg

(Huh. Looks like I forgot the decimal point - it wasn't really 816 degrees in here :lol: )

I struggled with this watch for a while -- I think the closer half (the part without the highlight) looks flat, but I couldn't work out how to fix it.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Jun-2011/968565-2011-06-11-watch-resized.jpg

And this is the eye so far:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Jun-2011/968565-2011-06-11-eye-wip-resized.jpg

arnoud3272
06-12-2011, 03:27 PM
Daisy - Very nice practice :clap:.
To get accurate proportions: painters (at the easel) will frequently step back to compare. With the PC we have a comfortable alternative: put a scan of your work and the reference side by side on the screen, resizing to the same size if needed. To strengthen the effect, you can add "plumb lines" for the important landmarks. The proportions on the eye itself are very good, but you can see how the iris is off.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Jun-2011/142886-daisy-eye-wip.jpg

Keep it up :thumbsup:.

maisygrrl
06-18-2011, 11:27 PM
Arnoud, thank you so much for all your advice and your time! Going through these classes is wonderfully helpful.

Been a bit short on time this week, but I've been working on the eye drawing a little bit every day. I think it's finally finished -- or at any rate I think if I keep fussing with it I'll start making it worse instead of better! I ended up spending a long time trying to get the angles of everything right. Eventually I printed out the photo about the size I was drawing it so I could lay a tracing overtop of it to check it faster since I was making so many mistakes :lol: and that proved helpful. I do think the iris is still slightly off-kilter, but much closer than my first try.

(I might well come back with a better photo in the morning. I was so excited to have finally finished it that I couldn't wait, but it's nighttime and the photo was taken under a halogen lamp. There's a bit of glare, especially across the top part of the iris.)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Jun-2011/968565-2011-06-18-eye-resized.jpg

arnoud3272
06-19-2011, 05:32 AM
Daisy - Very nice :clap:.
You finished the foundation classes successfully, you may jump to any class in any order now :).
Keep up the good work :thumbsup:.

RVT
06-20-2011, 06:10 PM
Thanks, Arnoud.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jun-2011/962581-IMG_2930.JPG http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jun-2011/962581-IMG_2929.JPG http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jun-2011/962581-IMG_2928.JPG

arnoud3272
06-21-2011, 05:38 AM
RVT - Nicely done :clap:.
You are now ready to take any of the next classes in any order :thumbsup:.

ArtbyPeggy
10-07-2011, 01:33 PM
Hi Arnoud :wave:
If you have the chance, can you please review these before I finish them with details.
Thanks!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Oct-2011/977655-exercise015.jpg

arnoud3272
10-07-2011, 03:16 PM
Peggy - Off to a good start :thumbsup:.
The outlines of spheres are always drawn as circles, although theoretically they would follow the rules of perspective. It pays to practice drawing correct circles. The M&M's are rather squashed. Of course, they are "comics" characters, so who cares.
But eyes are very important, they should look natural. Man Ray, as surrealist photographer, chose a bizarre shooting angle, but it is still a human eye. As said, spheres do not change under perspective, but features on the sphere do. The iris in this case becomes an ellipse, more than you thought:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Oct-2011/142886-peggy-eye-corr.jpg

The pupil is not visible in the photo, but can be made so with a bit of pixel tweaking:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Oct-2011/142886-manray-closeupHDL.jpg

You see, it is much smaller and lies more towards us. If you draw it like this, more than half of knowledgeable people will say you are wrong, the pupil is in the middle of the iris:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Oct-2011/142886-ManRay.jpg

But that is only true when viewed straight on. The explanation is rather technical, I won't bother you with it. You may draw it either way, :lol: you can't please everybody.
Keep up the good work.

ArtbyPeggy
10-07-2011, 06:30 PM
Corrected Man Ray eye...I hope :crossfingers:http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Oct-2011/977655-exercise017.jpg

arnoud3272
10-08-2011, 10:47 AM
Peggy - Well done :clap:.
I see you started on the fur class, good choice, keep up the good work :thumbsup:

ArtbyPeggy
10-08-2011, 10:54 AM
Thanks so much for all your help Arnoud!
I'll be back for the darkside classes! Need to learn to "push the dark" more :-)

Gingerbread
10-26-2011, 08:27 AM
Arnoud,
Here's my drawings. Please take a look.

My M&M is somewhat slanted.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Oct-2011/978288-Class_5_nut_egg_mm.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Oct-2011/978288-Class_5_eye_man.jpg

Thanks,
Jennifer:)

arnoud3272
10-26-2011, 05:08 PM
Jennifer - Good job :clap:. Your understanding of the basic forms is generally correct. You are ready to tackle the more advanced classes :thumbsup:. You may choose any class in any order.

Gingerbread
10-26-2011, 05:43 PM
Great, thanks for the feedback. See you in the next class, Arnoud.

Jennifer
:)

latedrawer
11-16-2011, 01:51 PM
Greetings! Below is my first drawing, a still life of eggs. I attempted to include some shadows and shading. Am I on the right track? Thanks, Carole
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arnoud3272
11-17-2011, 05:39 AM
Carole - Good forms :clap:. As for the shading, details are for class 8, but some general comments:
-- don't be timid :). The darkest shadows should be drawn really dark. That gives you the room to use the whole range of grays.
-- there is a big division in drawing styles, either in lines or in light and dark areas. Try to keep it consistent: when drawing in lines, accents or suggestions of shading are an enrichment. But when drawing in fully shading, strong outlines nullify the desired 3D effect.
:thumbsup:

latedrawer
11-17-2011, 03:07 PM
Here are some sketches I did of objects in my house. I started all with a sphere and experimented with different ways to show dimension.
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I did the globe on 12X18 paper, so only part of it was recorded by my scanner. In the future, I'll explore how to merge scans so I can show larger drawings, but I'm not quite ready to tackle that yet! This was done on newsprint.

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I did the next drawing on Strathmore 300 vellum Bristol using the same pencils. My scanner doesn't seem to do as well with drawings on this kind of paper. I'll experiment more in the future using guidelines on the threads that suggest ways to deal with this issue. But I'd like to go through Class 7 before I start working on that skill.

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Thanks so much for your input. Carole

latedrawer
11-17-2011, 03:21 PM
Arnoud, I think I need some critique before I continue working on the M&M dispenser. Although my goal is to draw realistic sketches mostly from life, I definitely need to develop some different types of strokes. In my first post to this class, you said:
"...there is a big division in drawing styles, either in lines or in light and dark areas. Try to keep it consistent: when drawing in lines, accents or suggestions of shading are an enrichment. But when drawing in fully shading, strong outlines nullify the desired 3D effect."
I tried to apply these suggestions to this drawing, but found I probably don't understand how to be "consistent." I tried to use hatch marks to indicate depth when "drawing with lines," but I also included some solid areas that seem necessary to sketch the dispenser. So I have several questions:
1) Can I use a solid dark when "drawing with lines," in this case for the black background.
2) When "drawing with lines," is it "consistent" to have a little shading along lines or over hatching to suggest depth?
Perhaps I'm trying to push for to much detail that a sketch should have:confused:
694276

arnoud3272
11-17-2011, 05:38 PM
Carole -
So I have several questions: Possibly a few examples will clarify the advice.
This is line, outlines, - and a few patches of shading. The important point is that the forms are defined by lines.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Nov-2011/142886-dancer.jpg

The linear style can be very developed, it is the traditional (western) style in Pen & Ink

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Nov-2011/142886-mill.jpg

This is by shading. The forms do not show outlines, they are completely defined by values. This can be developed much farther, into "photo-realist" style.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Nov-2011/142886-lighthouse.jpg

Hope it will be clearer now :)

latedrawer
11-17-2011, 08:11 PM
Thank you for the examples that relate directly to my questions. This was very helpful! I'll finish the M&M dispenser using the middle example of the linear style of traditional pen & ink. I'll post again as a WIP to see what you think.
Carole

latedrawer
11-17-2011, 10:42 PM
Hi Arnoud...Here is my attempt at a linear drawing of the M&M dispenser:crossfingers::crossfingers:
Carole
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latedrawer
11-18-2011, 04:30 PM
Arnoud, here is my sketch for Masterson. I changed the settings on my scanner and this setting seems to scan better. So far, I've been using Infraview to edit. I did download GIMP, but felt overwhelmed by all the information available. I'll look at it more in the future with the suggestions posted by WC members in hand!

In this sketch, I tried to indicate the forms with values, not lines. I'm going to try the buttons and the eye next.
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arnoud3272
11-18-2011, 05:00 PM
Well done, Carole :clap:. You're very dedicated, and that is the best way to learn - practice, practice, practice :)
I did download GIMP, but felt overwhelmed by all the information available Indeed, GIMP has a rather steep leaning curve, and the Help function assumes a "signal processing" background :(. But there is a very good tutorial on line (http://gimp-savvy.com/BOOK/index.html). [Can also be downloaded if you know how to "unzip" a tar archive -- OK, sorry :(:lol:]

latedrawer
11-18-2011, 07:23 PM
Greetings! Okay, here's some more practice. In my next sketches, I'm going to try some different pencils to see how that affects the quality of pencil line in my scans. The buttons presented many interesting challenges. I think I'll try the same kind of study with a pile of actual buttons.
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latedrawer
11-18-2011, 11:19 PM
Arnoud, I did two more drawings for this class. Both were drawn from actual objects in my house. Any critiques are welcome.

Do you think I'm ready to start class 6? If not, what should I work on next?
(Besides learning how to scan pictures better:lol:)
Carole

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arnoud3272
11-19-2011, 02:52 AM
Carole - You did very well in the foundation classes :clap:. You may choose any of the next classes in any order :thumbsup:.

Jelleau
11-25-2011, 10:46 AM
Hello Again Arnoud :) Here are my class 5 drawings


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Nov-2011/980243-Egg_Class5_800x583.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Nov-2011/980243-nut_class_5_800x583.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Nov-2011/980243-coffeecup_class5_800x583.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Nov-2011/980243-MMs_719x800.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Nov-2011/980243-eye_800x761.jpg

arnoud3272
11-25-2011, 03:38 PM
Gabriela - Well done :clap:. Nice pencil handling and a good understanding of forms.
One minor point, although not yet for this class, your darks are rather timid. Unless the scan came out too light, that is.
You're ready with the foundation classes, now you may choose any next class in any order :thumbsup:.

Jelleau
11-25-2011, 04:03 PM
Thanks Arnoud! These drawings were all done with a mechanical 0.5mm pencil. Now I will be expanding to actual graphite drawing pencils ... off to shading class I go. THANKS!!:wave:

muldi
12-22-2011, 07:15 PM
Hi Arnoud, Here are my first spherical objects: Egg, Walnut, and Cup. I am working on the others. They are the most complicated I've drawn, so taking some time with them. Diane
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Dec-2011/215828-P1000331.JPG

Thank you.

arnoud3272
12-23-2011, 07:15 AM
Diane - Well done :clap:.
A general remark prompted by your egg drawing: with an extended shading - more than just a suggestion as on the walnut - take care to get rid of the strong outline.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Dec-2011/142886-diane-egg-corr.JPG

Outlines work fine in stylized drawings with areas of flat tones, as in comics and illustrations. But if you tend to realism, there is no place for outlines: you cannot see emphasized outlines in nature, it is an interpretation.

muldi
12-23-2011, 09:04 AM
Thanks, Arnoud, I wondered about that and will correct the drawings to come.
I will turn them in soon. Still having lots of difficulty with them. Diane

muldi
12-23-2011, 01:20 PM
Arnoud, Here are more drawings.
The Pez dispenser was very hard to draw freehand for me and get all the spheres and arcs correct. I could see I made the radio ? too wide and have an extra section. That threw off my squared floor with the black and white tiles.
The paperweight was fun, but hard to provide the three dimensional representation on the non-shadow side. I can see that for a finished drawing, I'd need to clean it up a little.
The eye was the first time I used a blending tool. I think it helped a lot. I'll need to learn more about using it.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Dec-2011/215828-P1000338.JPG
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Dec-2011/215828-P1000339.JPG
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Dec-2011/215828-P1000335.JPG

arnoud3272
12-23-2011, 02:47 PM
Diane - Very nice :clap:.
You did a good job in this class, as in the previous classes as well.
You may now move on to any of the next classes that interests you, in any order :thumbsup:

muldi
12-23-2011, 07:23 PM
Thank you, Arnoud. I appreciate your instruction and comments. I have learned a lot. I wish you a good holiday season as well. I look forward to choosing a new class. Diane

wendyc1276
01-12-2012, 01:37 PM
Here are my objects and the M&M dispenser. Her legs got a little washed out in the scan.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Jan-2012/201691-sphere_objects.jpg

The uploader seems broken, or i may have to do a separate post...this is just the objects

wendyc1276
01-12-2012, 01:43 PM
Here is the M&M guys. I'll work on the Man Ray photo next.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Jan-2012/201691-mandms.jpg

arnoud3272
01-12-2012, 04:35 PM
Very good job Wendy :clap::clap:.

wendyc1276
01-14-2012, 06:50 AM
Here is the Man Ray....looking at the thumbnails side by side, I can see errors, such as the lower lid not being straight enough, the eyebrow not positioned correctly (it was cut off in my reference print)...but overall I am pleased and seeing improvement. Thanks so much for your help.

Can you outline the basic procedure you use when comparing our scans to the reference photo? I have photoshop, but unsure what specifically you are doing to show the side by side analysis. Thanks!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Jan-2012/201691-ManRay.jpg

arnoud3272
01-14-2012, 08:14 AM
Good job, Wendy :clap:
Can you outline the basic procedure you use when comparing our scans to the reference photo? I don't know Photoshop, I use Gimp. A quick search in Google gave me the impression that it is not so straightforward in PS as in the free Gimp :(.
Anyway:
-- load the two images on their own layer
-- scale one of both to get them the same size
-- size - not scale - the whole to have enough room, and move one layer aside
-- now you can add another (transparent) layer to draw the comparaison lines.

You did very well in these foundation classes. Now you can move on to any class of your liking :thumbsup:.

wendyc1276
01-14-2012, 09:10 AM
Thanks - I can always get Gimp and play around with it. I also like the article about using photoshop to overlay and find errors. Both work equally well, but I think for portraits, using the lines may be better.

See you in class 6!

LindaGal
01-14-2012, 08:47 PM
Had two goes at the eye - it is quite tricky! and i am not happy with the cup. Will try the man when i get time.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Jan-2012/974162-spheres.jpg

arnoud3272
01-15-2012, 06:40 AM
You're are doing very well, Linda :clap::clap:.

LindaGal
01-18-2012, 06:57 AM
and the bowler hat man - must clean the scanner!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Jan-2012/974162-bowler_hat.jpg

arnoud3272
01-18-2012, 12:28 PM
Nicely done, Linda :clap:
You finished the foundation classes in beauty, now you may move on to any class of yourt liking :thumbsup:

LindaGal
01-19-2012, 05:13 AM
think will just go along in order - thanks for the encouragement

Felisa
02-16-2012, 03:05 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Feb-2012/122109-ms.jpg Hello, Arnoud. Here are my exercises for class 5
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Feb-2012/122109-exer.jpg




http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Feb-2012/122109-Drawing.jpg


Thank you for your comments.

arnoud3272
02-16-2012, 04:39 PM
Hi, Elisa :)
I was a bit astonished by your skipping the first classes. But it is all my fault :(, typing error in the pre-class reply. What I meant was move on to class 1. Seeing your results here, I think it is OK to skip class 1. It looks like you could profit from taking class 4. And unless you're confident re perspective, I'd certainly advice classes 2 and 3.
Sorry for the confusion.
The work for this class is well done :clap:.

lisaastrup
02-21-2012, 12:28 PM
Hi.

Here is some work for class 5, looking forward to hear your comments.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Feb-2012/79005-egg.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Feb-2012/79005-plant.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Feb-2012/79005-eye.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Feb-2012/79005-clementin.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Feb-2012/79005-papir.jpg

arnoud3272
02-21-2012, 05:15 PM
Lisa - Well done. One remark on the eye - but it depends on your intentions. When in "learning mode" it is most useful to try to copy exactly. Learning to draw / paint is largely a matter of learning to observe accurately. That eye is an iconic picture of a surrealist photographer. It was taken from an extremely low standpoint. The result is that the lower eye lid is almost straight. That is the effect of the perspective of lines on the sphere, think of the equator on the globe. You completely lost that special character of the reference, drawing what you knew about eyes (not wrong, taken by its own).

lisaastrup
02-22-2012, 05:25 AM
2 more, really tricky ones I think :)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Feb-2012/79005-mm.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Feb-2012/79005-mand.jpg

arnoud3272
02-22-2012, 07:37 AM
Good job, Lisa. You've finished the first foundation classes. Now you may choose between the following classes in any order. Please move on. BTW, the grades of graphite are discussed in class 102 - 8 (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=372514).

Karshia
02-22-2012, 12:02 PM
Here are some spheres. This is the most difficult class yet for me. I had a very hard time with the M&Ms especially. Thank you!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Feb-2012/337891-Spheres_01.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Feb-2012/337891-Spheres_02.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Feb-2012/337891-Spheres_03.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Feb-2012/337891-FirstEyeEdit.jpg

lisaastrup
02-22-2012, 12:39 PM
Good job, Lisa. You've finished the first foundation classes. Now you may choose between the following classes in any order. Please move on. BTW, the grades of graphite are discussed in class 102 - 8 (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=372514).

Thank you Arnoud, glad you are giving the classes :clap: :clap: :clap:
I'll move on, and also take
a look at the thread about graphite.

arnoud3272
02-22-2012, 03:06 PM
Katie - Very good job. I like the eye in particular. Now move on to a next class of your liking. You can take any of the remaining classes in any order.

mayana
03-04-2012, 04:21 AM
Hello Arnoud,
Here are my HW, thank you for guidance!:cool:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Mar-2012/164039-eyenew.jpeg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Mar-2012/164039-cowboy.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Mar-2012/164039-mm.jpeg

arnoud3272
03-04-2012, 10:27 AM
Excellent job, mayana :clap::clap:
So you finished the foundation classes. Now you may choose any of the next classes in any order :thumbsup:.

mayana
03-04-2012, 05:53 PM
Hello Arnoud,

Finish my foundation class!!!!wow...good.... great...see You in next class!
Thank you for your super CnC :heart::clap::wave::wave::wave:

astropaint
03-07-2012, 09:31 PM
Hi Arnoud,

Here are my drawings for this class. Please provide your critique and comments. Thanks in advance for all your help!

arnoud3272
03-08-2012, 08:04 AM
astro - Well done :clap::clap:. You've developed a good eye for basic forms.
Please choose one of the next classes to continue :thumbsup:.

astropaint
03-08-2012, 08:35 AM
Hi Arnoud,

Thank you very very much! :) I will see you in the next class.

netta13542
05-27-2012, 03:22 AM
Assignments for class five

arnoud3272
05-27-2012, 09:54 AM
Netta - You've finished the basic classes now :clap:. You understand the forms that allow you to interpret the objects around you.
I have the feeling that you really rushed through, a bit "OK, they ask an egg, here is an egg, what next?". If you want to learn the craft, to improve your skills in the following classes, I think you'd better practice slowly, trying to copy the form correctly.
First learn the craft, then you have a good foundation to let your creativity work.

See you in one of the other classes :thumbsup:.

Panth
05-31-2012, 10:45 AM
Hi Arnoud, here are my drawings for Class 5 homework. I drew a mango instead of an egg, as it is mango season in India. The eye was a challenge, I drew grid on the downloaded picture, and also on my paper, and tried to copy the shapes in the same squares. This is the first time I've done that, I usually draw free hand. Bye, Prabha :wave:

arnoud3272
05-31-2012, 05:29 PM
Prabha - Good job :clap:.
You finished the foundation classes successfully, you may jump to any class in any order now :).
Keep up the good work :thumbsup:.

Panth
06-01-2012, 03:43 AM
:clap: Thank you Arnoud for your help and guidance. I would like to take the classes in order, I think, unless something else looks interesting. I have really improved my perception and understanding - thanks to you and your instructions! See you soon. Best wishes, Prabha

ElleZ
06-12-2012, 07:54 AM
Hi Arnoud,

Here are the practice pieces, plus the ManRay Eye....
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Jun-2012/150751-class5-spheres-practice.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Jun-2012/150751-class5-egg-post.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Jun-2012/150751-class5-walnut-post.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Jun-2012/150751-class5-spheres-yoyo-spintop.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Jun-2012/150751-class5-spheres-Bowl.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Jun-2012/150751-ManRay_Eye-Class5-.jpg

I am attempting to do this photo of this horse's eye, his name is Tyson and in the photo the whole eye reflects a scene, but when I print the photo out, even after fiddling around in PSP, his eye is dark from the bottom to just over the halfway mark, do you have any suggestions, please Arnoud?
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Jun-2012/150751-tyson-eye.jpg. Thanks heaps.:crossfingers:
Cheers,
Elle :wave:

arnoud3272
06-12-2012, 05:01 PM
Elle - Very well executed in general :clap:. One crit about the top of the bowl, that ellipse is rather wonky.
I don't quite understand the problem with the horse picture. I assume that it is a digital photo, you wouldn't need to (scan and) print out an analog photo? But printing a photo should not be a problem with a half-decent printer? Anyway, the printout that you have is useful enough for the big shapes and proportions. The details can be filled in working from the screen display?
:wave:

ElleZ
06-12-2012, 08:29 PM
Hi Arnoud,
Thanks.
Cheers,
Elle

docxart
06-20-2012, 12:12 PM
Hello
Here are my drawings for this lesson. I thought that I might try my hand using color pencils on this assignment. What do you think?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jun-2012/1074922-eggcup_001.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jun-2012/1074922-Soccer_Ball_001.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jun-2012/1074922-watch_001.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jun-2012/1074922-apple_001.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jun-2012/1074922-MM_001.jpg

Qadir

arnoud3272
06-20-2012, 04:49 PM
Qadir - Well done :clap:. I like how you avoided the linear outlines on the colored pieces. If you want to develop you skills in graphite (or charcoal), you could do the same in your B&W drawings :thumbsup:.
You finished the basic classes, now you may move on to any class in any order :music:.

ricksherny
07-02-2012, 08:46 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Jul-2012/1072372-spheres.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Jul-2012/1072372-eye.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Jul-2012/1072372-mm.jpg

arnoud3272
07-02-2012, 05:49 PM
ricksherny - Well done in general :clap:.
The eye drawing is a good example of what is meant in the book of De Reyna, and in "Drawing on the right side" and many others with less catching titles: when training for realistic drawing, do not draw stereotypical symbolic shapes, but "draw what you see". So not something resembling this:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Jul-2012/142886-eye-symbol.jpeg

Compare what you drew with the surrealistic photo by ManRay:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Jul-2012/142886-rick-eye.jpg

The lower lid is almost straight, the iris is not round and not at all in the center.

The other drawings are well done, the M&M is fantasy, so anything goes :).
You finished the foundation classes, so you may now tackle any class in any order :thumbsup:. But my advice would be to take class 8 as one of the first.
:wave:

ricksherny
07-02-2012, 09:57 PM
Thank you for your advice, it has been a struggle, but one I have been enjoying very much. I have looked through some of my sketches that I have done before finding this forum and amazed at how much better they have become even if they are not 100% correct.

I just glanced at lesson 8 and learning to shade properly excites me, the tree scares me to death though :lol:. It will be good practice. If you don't see me here for a little bit it is because I am working on the tree. Thank you for the encouragement!

crafor
07-19-2012, 08:47 PM
What does WDT mean?
Ella

ElleZ
07-19-2012, 11:39 PM
Hi Arnoud,
I have been away for a bit, I didn't relize that I hadn't posted my M&M figures, so here they are.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jul-2012/150751-class5-mm.jpg
Thanks for looking.
Cheers,

Elle

arnoud3272
07-20-2012, 09:27 AM
What does WDT mean?
Ella Weekly Drawing Thread
A common drawing event, run from June 7, 2004 through March 19, 2012
Example (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1025782)

:wave:

arnoud3272
07-20-2012, 09:29 AM
Elle - Well done :clap:.
You finished the foundation classes with success.
You may tackle any class in any order now :thumbsup:.

ElleZ
07-21-2012, 07:33 PM
Thanks Arnoud,

see you in the next class.....

Cheers,
Elle

crafor
07-23-2012, 05:51 PM
Hello, Arnoud,
Here are some of my drawings. More to come later.
Thank you for your guidance.
Ella
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Jul-2012/978289-P7230025.JPG

arnoud3272
07-24-2012, 03:44 AM
:thumbsup:.

meganj
08-08-2012, 12:45 PM
Here are my images for class 5.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Aug-2012/67498-spheres_105.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Aug-2012/67498-105_mm.jpg

I don't feel ready for real faces yet. My tea cup didn't look like an egg until I uploaded it!

meganj
08-08-2012, 01:06 PM
I fixed my tea cup. Sorry for the duplicate picture.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Aug-2012/67498-teacup_105.jpg

arnoud3272
08-08-2012, 03:10 PM
Well done, Megan :clap:.
After these foundation classes, you may now choose any class in any order :thumbsup:.

crafor
08-12-2012, 01:43 PM
Gotta question here. And I know MY answer, (I think, lol) just want to know what you would prefer, Arnoud. We're learners/beginners (I am, at any rate) It occurred to me that balls have a shape: round. Is it fair, cheating, okay, not okay, to use templates or a compass to get the round shape, rather than drawing it free hand at this stage?
Thanks,
Ella

arnoud3272
08-12-2012, 05:15 PM
Is tracing cheating, Ella? It all depends on what you want to do. Technical draftsmen use templates and compasses and "french curves" all the time. (OK, did, it is all in the computer now). If you feel the urge to paint, use any shortcut you know to get the underdrawing ready. If you want to develop your drawing skills, take the time and draw freehand.
Remark: when drawing freehand, it will almost never be correct from the first stroke. DO NOT erase, you'll put yourself back at square 1. Use the wrong lines as a guide to inching in.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Aug-2012/142886-cirkel.gif
:thumbsup:

crafor
08-12-2012, 08:29 PM
Thanks, Arnoud.
I know one of my major frustrations when I started painting years ago was due to inability to draw. A goal now is to learn to draw, even well.
Here's the rest of my drawings for this class, unless you want me to do more. These were done freehand, except after most of the watch was finished, I did check the roundness with a template. It was only a litle off. :)
Thank you for your help.
Ella
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Aug-2012/978289-P8120072.JPG

arnoud3272
08-13-2012, 02:57 AM
Ella - Very well done :clap:.
after most of the watch was finished, I did check the roundness with a template Checking is OK, on the contrary, it is one of the best methods to learn. It is as a tutor correcting you in real time :). You should not wait until the end, check regularly. In the traditional academic training (19th century), beginners measured after each line! Draw freehand, measure and record in your mind what is the error, take away the measuring means, correct freehand, measure again, etc. Fast progress guaranteed :thumbsup:.
After these foundation classes, you are free to choose any of the next classes :music:.

crafor
08-13-2012, 10:02 AM
Thank you. I'll see you in class 6.
Ella

edwardII
08-13-2012, 03:00 PM
:wave: Hey there arnoud and the rest of class, I had just returned from a brief beach holiday and was looking at/reading some of the more recent threads. I have made it a practice as was discussed by arnoud of drawing freehand and using light construction lines to achieve a round, square or any other shape, but something I hardly ever do is use measurements during the progression. I won"t say that I never have, if I am doing the under-drawing for a watercolor I would use a compass for a true circle possibly and using rulers for straight lines for city scenes is normal for me as well but to get a nice likeness freehand of a coffee mug etc. always gives me a better sense of satisfaction then when I use an instrument.I do not consider it cheating though to use instruments, I only consider photo shop cheating :D

All this said, the draw/measure/correct method is probably something I should hold onto when trying for a nice finished pencil or charcoal piece and I will go ahead and put that into practice from now on.

Here are a couple sphericals I had drawn last week. The egg is a strange bird because I had already drawn a shadow to the left but shaded for highlight from leftish source...it is wrong but I started to use a white chalk pencil on the egg and was just playing around, the shading effort seems ok to me if shadow is ignored :lol: Thanks!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Aug-2012/1033622-sphere_study.jpg

edwardII
08-13-2012, 03:08 PM
One added note, I do understand the directions for class are to use a graphite pencil and I did that for walnut but I had a charcoal in my hand for others. I am drawing almost exclusively with a charcoal pencil now that I have found how wonderful they are...after all these years :) makes easy the realistic tones we see all around!

At any rate I will draw up some M&M people with a 4B tonight. I am looking forward to the class on charcoal use. Thanks for the lessons once again arnoud.

arnoud3272
08-14-2012, 11:12 AM
Very good work, Edward :clap:.
Other (dry drawing) media are OK. "Pencil no 2" was specified because everyone has one, so no costs involved for beginners :).
:wave:

Mahbubani
08-20-2012, 04:15 PM
Hello Arnoud,
Here are my drawings of the spherical objects:crossfingers:

arnoud3272
08-20-2012, 05:12 PM
All very nice, Mona :clap:.

Mahbubani
08-21-2012, 01:01 PM
Hello Arnoud,
here are some more attempts:crossfingers:

Mahbubani
08-21-2012, 03:26 PM
I reworked a little on the eye.But the eyelashes are still off.

arnoud3272
08-21-2012, 04:52 PM
Well done, Mona :clap:.
Did you notice that there is a recent thread (tutorial) on drawing eyes (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1220632) in the main D&S forum?
You did very well in these foundation classes. Now you may take any next class in any order :thumbsup:.

Mahbubani
08-21-2012, 04:57 PM
Another one

arnoud3272
08-21-2012, 05:45 PM
Very well done indeed, Mona :clap:.

pratya.amrit
08-27-2012, 02:30 PM
hey guys,
sorry for nt being able to attend the classes.. as i was having my graduation tests.. :D
here are my attempts for class assignment more will b addin soon.. :)
(tht zoomd eye i drew as it struck my mind when was zoomin to see the details of M&M.. :))
thnx.. :)

arnoud3272
08-27-2012, 05:24 PM
Good understanding of the forms, Pratya :clap:.
The photos are rather dark, there is a very good tutorial on how to "post-process" your pictures here (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=572823).
:wave:

pratya.amrit
08-27-2012, 09:58 PM
sorry for the dark pictures Arnoud nd thnx for ur suggestion.. :D
reposting them.... :)

pratya.amrit
08-28-2012, 06:18 AM
here r some more of 'em for assignment.. i havent shaded m&m coz i thought of shading them after the class on shading..:D
plz correct my faults.. :)

arnoud3272
08-28-2012, 01:01 PM
Very well done, Pratya :clap::clap:.
You did a good job in these first classes, you may now choose any class, in any order :thumbsup:.
Keep up the good work :)

pratya.amrit
08-28-2012, 03:02 PM
Very well done, Pratya :clap::clap:.
You did a good job in these first classes, you may now choose any class, in any order :thumbsup:.
Keep up the good work :)
thnx Arnoud..... :)
i will go step by step.... :D
coz still a lot to learn from u nd the other experts.... :thumbsup:

pratya.amrit
08-29-2012, 04:02 AM
hey Arnoud here is the sketch of the eye plz review it.. thnx.. :)

arnoud3272
08-29-2012, 06:03 PM
Pratya - Well done, you're very dedicated :clap:.
This reference picture is really a trap :(. The motto of the classroom is "draw what you see", but even when avoiding the typical "eye icon", most people draw what they think they should see. Curved eyelids and a circle for the iris. This surrealist photo is taken from a very unusual angle, as obvious from this uncropped version:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Aug-2012/142886-manrayfull-B.jpg

The lower eyelid is like the equator on the globe, it becomes almost straight; and the iris is now seen in perspective, an ellipse:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Aug-2012/142886-pratya.jpg

Apart from these forms, your drawing is nicely rendered :thumbsup:.

pratya.amrit
08-29-2012, 09:46 PM
hmm thnx Arnoud for such a nice illustration.. :)
u knw i drew tht lower tricky lid straight but thn i thought it should b a little curved nd the result is tht.... :(
i really got tricked by my mind.. :D
i will redo it.... :crossfingers:
thnx again for giving ur precious time.... :clap: :)

pratya.amrit
08-31-2012, 05:33 AM
hey Arnoud
how r u?? :)
here is another try of the man ray's eyes :crossfingers:....
plz review it..
thnx....

arnoud3272
08-31-2012, 11:22 AM
Very well done Pratya. A big improvement :clap::clap:.

pratya.amrit
08-31-2012, 12:06 PM
thnx Arnoud :)
are the forms right??
should i move on to next class or should i practice some more?????