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serenasocean
11-01-2009, 04:05 PM
Happy November everyone!

Below are the reference images for this month's challenge. Both pictures are from the RIL. Thanks to maritajill and jocelynsart for the pics. The first is from a japanese garden, and the second is a still life of apples.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Nov-2009/65034-applecourt_036.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Nov-2009/65034-greenapples.jpg

Enjoy!

GOSH
11-01-2009, 04:10 PM
I couldn't wait till November to start, you've got great photos for the challenge this month. I'm looking forward to see how I and everybody else will handle these two subjects.:wave:

Pat Isaac
11-01-2009, 04:59 PM
Thanks, Serena for hosting this month. These are great images.

Pat

oldrockchick
11-01-2009, 07:18 PM
The apples should be interesting to do esepecially the basket.

but that Japanese garden is definatley one I must do!
Reminds me of some of my Arbury Hall studies.

Thank you for hosting. Count me in!

kazuki
11-01-2009, 09:25 PM
Count me in for the first photo. I've just started my tree study and have been experimenting with those greens quite a lot. This one would be a great challenge for me.
Second photo looks delicious. I'm not much of a 'still life' artist but that's exactly why I purchased my 7in x 5in watercolor pad. Cropping the photo to this size would make it interesting enough for me.

Can't wait to see what others are doing with these images :-)

truck driver
11-02-2009, 02:44 AM
I think I just might do the apples, maybe if I can find time. We shall see what transpires..

P.S. I believe there might be a under-drawing of the apples in graphite, on a piece of 10x10 illustration board with a coating of Goldens Pastel Grounds over it. right over there on the fireplace. Maybe but I'm not sure.


RG

rjmarchitect
11-02-2009, 11:48 AM
Hello! I am new to WC as of today. I haven't really done anything in the fine arts for over 30 years (and that was 1 painting) and more like 40 years in high school. I have become interested in OP's and have been playing for a month. I have been looking at this site and have enjoyed the work and the encouragement you all give each other. I am going to attempt one of these. I look forward to you C&C's.
Russ

oldrockchick
11-02-2009, 01:27 PM
Hello! I am new to WC as of today. I haven't really done anything in the fine arts for over 30 years (and that was 1 painting) and more like 40 years in high school. I have become interested in OP's and have been playing for a month. I have been looking at this site and have enjoyed the work and the encouragement you all give each other. I am going to attempt one of these. I look forward to you C&C's.
Russ

Hi Russ :wave:

Wonderful to meet you.
Welcome to the happy OP family. We all look after each other here. Great choice for your comeback to fine arts. If you need help with the medium or get stuck we will help you through.

I joined WC a few months ago and already feel like i live here. The amount of help, encourgament and inspiration I have picked up here has really helped me to progress. I am sure it will for you too.

Look forward to seeing your work.

halthepainter
11-02-2009, 02:00 PM
Hello! I am new to WC as of today. I haven't really done anything in the fine arts for over 30 years (and that was 1 painting) and more like 40 years in high school. I have become interested in OP's and have been playing for a month. I have been looking at this site and have enjoyed the work and the encouragement you all give each other. I am going to attempt one of these. I look forward to you C&C's.
Russ

Hi Russ welcome aboard. I'm one of the geezers in the forum (71) and started painting in my mid thirties. So don't feel you are out of place here. We are quite an eclectic group of artists all trying to figure out how to make this devilish medium work. My last two challenge paintings are the first ones I've been half way happy with. :thumbsup:

Russ, the architect: we expect some tight art work out of you and Pat and Lin will have to encourage you to loosen up. :wink2: :evil:

Also join us in our weekly talk thread "Oil Gusher" and we can commiserate about our geezer pains and other life trivia. :D

truck driver
11-02-2009, 03:11 PM
Hi Russ welcome aboard. I'm one of the geezers in the forum (71) and started painting in my mid thirties. So don't feel you are out of place here. We are quite an eclectic group of artists all trying to figure out how to make this devilish medium work. My last two challenge paintings are the first ones I've been half way happy with.

Russ, the architect: we expect some tight art work out of you and Pat and Lin will have to encourage you to loosen up. also join us in our weekly talk thread "Oil Gusher" and we can commiserate about our geezer pains and other life trivia.

and you should those where some pretty nice looking pieces of art .......
.... anybody notice theres a bunch of old people around here ....

RG runs off knowing aint nobody gonna catch him..


:):evil: :evil: ;) :evil: :evil: :) :clap: :) :evil: :evil: :rolleyes: :evil: :evil: :)

truck driver
11-02-2009, 03:26 PM
Work in progress... Whats wrong with it.. Tell me now.. Plz.. B4 its to late..

HELPP!!!!!!!

RG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Nov-2009/136518-apples-green-nov-challenge-v1.jpg

halthepainter
11-02-2009, 03:52 PM
Thank you RG.

RG if you were doing a minmalist painting, you could call them done and they look pretty darn good.

Who painted in this style, I seem to remember a fruit study in a minimalist style, much like this by one of the big kids.

Pat Isaac
11-02-2009, 04:03 PM
Hi Russ, and welcome to the OP forum.....:wave: We are a friendly supportive group and look forward to having you join us.

RG, I think that is a great start....

Pat

GOSH
11-02-2009, 04:25 PM
Hello, Russ and welcome :wave: Happy to have you aboard!

truck driver
11-02-2009, 04:31 PM
Thank you RG.

RG if you were doing a minmalist painting, you could call them done and they look pretty darn good.

Who painted in this style, I seem to remember a fruit study in a minimalist style, much like this by one of the big kids.

Umm is this a compliment? I'm not quite sure. I think it is though..

RG

GOSH
11-02-2009, 05:19 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Nov-2009/143278-S7300969_.JPG
Garden is done and the apples are almost finished.
Senneliers on Colorfix 9"x12", used a colorshaper.

Pat Isaac
11-02-2009, 05:31 PM
WOW, you are quick this month, Gosh....lovely rendition of the image.

Pat

truck driver
11-02-2009, 07:42 PM
WOW, you are quick this month, Gosh....lovely rendition of the image.

Pat

I guess I shouldnt tell you she is about 3/4 done with the apples as well.

RG

Pat Isaac
11-02-2009, 07:46 PM
Probably not....:lol:

pat

halthepainter
11-02-2009, 11:04 PM
By gosh, Gosh you are quick. Wonderful job.


Yes RG it is a compliment. :thumbsup: I know, I almost never give a compliment buy in your case I made an exception. :wink2:

Ok, ok, I made an exception for Gosh too. :D

shamanmoon
11-03-2009, 12:00 AM
Hi Russ,

I think its a good start. It does sort of remind me of a Matisse.

You might try varying the values of the yellows and greens more strongly and define the shapes with darker shades of the colors or their complementaries. Oil pastels allow you to pile on the color and scrape it off if necessary.

Peace & Blessings,

Shy

serenasocean
11-03-2009, 12:28 AM
Yay! I'm so glad everyone likes the pics :)

Gosh, I love the reflection in the water. Very nice!

RG, I think the apples look great. They are well defined. Maybe some shadows to ground them?

Can't wait to see what everyone does this month!

GOSH
11-03-2009, 01:35 AM
By gosh, Gosh you are quick. Wonderful job.


Yes RG it is a compliment. :thumbsup: I know, I almost never give a compliment buy in your case I made an exception. :wink2:

Ok, ok, I made an exception for Gosh too. :D

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Nov-2009/143278-S7300970iii_.JPG

:cool: Thanks, hal.
I prefer my "done too fast" little garden in black and white but still you can see I struggle with the vegetation because the values and the definition are not well put together.

truck driver
11-03-2009, 02:06 AM
Yay! I'm so glad everyone likes the pics :)

Gosh, I love the reflection in the water. Very nice!

RG, I think the apples look great. They are well defined. Maybe some shadows to ground them?

Can't wait to see what everyone does this month!

Shadows on the way, I'm trying hard to take my time, and not just finish this in a couple of hours. Working with the slow and methodical Pat Isaac method instead of the 1 hour to completion, trying to get a lot more depth and realism into it. Kinda branching out as an artist and working with new methods you see..

RG

kazuki
11-03-2009, 04:14 AM
Hi Russ, welcome to the forum. I'm pretty new here myself, but I know that these people here are awesome and they support each other so well. You've reached the right place.

RG, the apples look great so far.
Beautiful garden and reflections, Gosh. Love the lamp post.

truck driver
11-03-2009, 05:10 AM
Hi Russ,

I think its a good start. It does sort of remind me of a Matisse.

You might try varying the values of the yellows and greens more strongly and define the shapes with darker shades of the colors or their complementaries. Oil pastels allow you to pile on the color and scrape it off if necessary.

Peace & Blessings,

Shy

Shamanmoon, I'm not Russ, however since the only image here thats yellow and green is mine. I will assume you actually meant that for me. What your seeing is the first layer of what is at this point 6 in various places. Oil Pastels allow you to work in so many ways, quick and dirty as my wonderfull wife did with her guitar shaped pond scene. She did that while I was drawing my apples, then she started on her apples, and had a couple layers down on those before I finished my drawing :). I almost decide to finish the apples in graphite, and do another one in op. Finally though I broke down and covered the graphite with a couple of layers of Goldens clear pastel ground. That Isolates the graphite, the next problem is getting enough yellow on top of the graphite that it doesnt show through. Well the answers there are pretty simple. Layers lots of em. There is another way, though and we did use some of that as well. That is to use a brand of ops thats yellows arent near as translucent as the senneliers. in this case since between the two of us, we dont have a single yellow holbein in the house, nor a yellow caran'd'arche, or any erangis. We do have however a couple of yellow specialists, and a few yellow expressionists, so the yellow you see for the first layers is the specialists, they will be covered by the more transparent senneliers. The greens so far are specialists. Now for the fun part the shadow colours, I'm using a gray thats a mix of a light green holbein, and a #216 parme violet sennelier. I also use some cretacolor oil pastel pencils for shading, the only shame is these guys dont come in more colours. So dont worry it wont look like something Matisse did for long, not that there is anything wrong with Matisse's work.

RG

GOSH
11-03-2009, 05:41 PM
Blah Blah Blah :cool:

truck driver
11-03-2009, 05:55 PM
Blah Blah Blah :cool: you know your cute when you do that?

RG

GOSH
11-03-2009, 05:57 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Nov-2009/143278-S7300980_.JPG

Combination holbeins-senneliers, some sgraffitto, on10"x10" illustration board without primer, no color shapers were used just fingers and a key.
The whole thing looks darker in person, the photo doesn't do it justice, but I can see the basket needing more shading, at least. I began to fear touching the apples after a while.
Basket has pink (holbein), purple (holbein), orange (holbein), red (senn), white (senn), green (holbein) and black (senn).
Please feel free to critique and suggest improvements :wave:

GOSH
11-03-2009, 06:03 PM
you know your cute when you do that?

RG

You're the apple of my eye. Oh, wait, where are yours?

truck driver
11-03-2009, 06:05 PM
You're the apple of my eye. Oh, wait, where are yours?

Waiting patiently for you to get your cotten picken wonderfull hands off of the senneliers so I can use them to finish my apples.

Sweatheart...

RG

GOSH
11-03-2009, 06:12 PM
Waiting patiently for you to get your cotten picken wonderfull hands off of the senneliers so I can use them to finish my apples.

Sweatheart...

RG

Busy with blah blah blah but I don't see your finished apples...
dear

halthepainter
11-03-2009, 07:57 PM
Allright, someone get a bucket of cold water to throw on Gosh and RG. :evil:

And Gosh please share the Senns. :rolleyes:

Gosh, you're a roll. You've finished the challenges before most of us have even thought about starting. Your apple painting is just great.

GOSH
11-03-2009, 08:11 PM
Allright, someone get a bucket of cold water to throw on Gosh and RG. :evil:

And Gosh please share the Senns. :rolleyes:

Gosh, you're a roll. You've finished the challenges before most of us have even thought about starting. Your apple painting is just great.

I'm a roll? :confused:
:evil:

seejay
11-03-2009, 09:02 PM
First time in for one of your challenges... I've been playing a little with OPs lately so jumping in here.

Mi Tiente paper, smooth side, about 19 x 20 cm. Things are just starting to get smudgy and hard to fix so I'm calling it quits.:cat:

Cheers
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Nov-2009/6409-november_project_Medium.jpg

GOSH
11-03-2009, 09:16 PM
First time in for one of your challenges... I've been playing a little with OPs lately so jumping in here.

Mi Tiente paper, smooth side, about 19 x 20 cm. Things are just starting to get smudgy and hard to fix so I'm calling it quits.:cat:

Cheers
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Nov-2009/6409-november_project_Medium.jpg

Hi seejay! Nice to have you around. I love your palette and how you decided what was the focus of attention by blurring the background with nice fluid strokes.:clap:

GhettoDaveyHavok
11-03-2009, 11:09 PM
man, i haent done oil pastels i such a while, i mgiht try the apples... mmm

halthepainter
11-03-2009, 11:12 PM
I'm a roll? :confused:
:evil:

Sorry Gosh, I'm laying on my side trying to type. Obiviously, I typed badly. Perhaps I can blame the pain pills for making me duller than usual.
:rolleyes:
You're on a roll, you're on cruise control, Scotty has beamed you up and you're accelerating to warp speed.:thumbsup:

halthepainter
11-03-2009, 11:15 PM
Seejay nice take on the lantern.

GhettoDaveyHavok
11-03-2009, 11:20 PM
I'm a roll? :confused:
:evil:

*snickers*

serenasocean
11-03-2009, 11:29 PM
Y'all are cracking me up :)

Seejay, very nice detail on the japanese statue.

Gosh, I don't know which I prefer, the apples or the garden. Great depth on the apples. They look luminous (sp?)... er, glowing.

:)

truck driver
11-04-2009, 12:13 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Nov-2009/136518-green-apples-v2.jpg

Still a work in progress, didn't want you all to think she hogged all the ops and I didn't get anything done.

RG

Spice3514
11-04-2009, 03:21 AM
Hi GOSH, just wanted to say I like your apple picture very much - its very appley and very baskety. I too am impressed with your speed, this would have taken me a couple of weeks.

Serena, I'll be trying to join in this month and keeping an eye on what the Gang are up to.

GOSH
11-04-2009, 04:15 AM
Sorry Gosh, I'm laying on my side trying to type. Obiviously, I typed badly. Perhaps I can blame the pain pills for making me duller than usual.
:rolleyes:
You're on a roll, you're on cruise control, Scotty has beamed you up and you're accelerating to warp speed.:thumbsup:

Sorry to hear you're in pain, hal, hope you're feeling better. Why take pain pills to have pain, I don't understand :rolleyes:
Don't you have the "feel good pills" around?

Thank you, spice, serena (the holbeins made them even more radioactive looking). Ghettodaveyhavoc - looking forward to see them there apples.

I'm toying with the idea of picking up the garden again and do it better. I think Colorfix is not my favorite paper to work with, now that I've been using smoother surfaces. I think I took too long with the apples, messed with them too much, instead of having the "dry pastel" approach of Less Is More.

RG, I don't hog the materials like you do :p but nice work, sweety. I didn't think you had it in you to paint such lifelike billiards balls.
:music: :angel: :music:

seejay
11-04-2009, 05:19 AM
Thanks for the kind words folks.:cat:

Cheers

halthepainter
11-04-2009, 09:47 AM
Sorry to hear you're in pain, hal, hope you're feeling better. Why take pain pills to have pain, I don't understand :rolleyes:
Don't you have the "feel good pills" around?

:angel: :music:

Instead of cuddling and readig together, My DW and I are into sado Machoism. She wields the whip and I take the pain pills to enhance the effect. :crying:

Beside feel good pills are illrgal. :rolleyes:

Shirl Parker
11-04-2009, 10:13 AM
Gosh, GOSH, those are some terrific apples :clap:

halthepainter
11-04-2009, 01:05 PM
RG I really was complimenting your apples.

Here's some Matisse oranges:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Nov-2009/140488-matisse_oranges.jpg

I know I'm comparing apples and oranges :lol: but I prefer your WIP apples to Matisse's oranges.

VladK
11-04-2009, 02:01 PM
To Truck Driver: I think the straws on a basket are too thin in proportion to apples. compare with original photo.

VladK
11-04-2009, 02:07 PM
Very interesting rendering. Great job!

VladK
11-04-2009, 02:14 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Nov-2009/143278-S7300980_.JPG

Combination holbeins-senneliers, some sgraffitto, on10"x10" illustration board without primer, no color shapers were used just fingers and a key.
The whole thing looks darker in person, the photo doesn't do it justice, but I can see the basket needing more shading, at least. I began to fear touching the apples after a while.
Basket has pink (holbein), purple (holbein), orange (holbein), red (senn), white (senn), green (holbein) and black (senn).
Please feel free to critique and suggest improvements :wave:

Veru nice job. As well as fountain!

Pat Isaac
11-04-2009, 04:31 PM
This thread is moving fast...:eek: Great apples, Gosh and I like the basket weave.
Seejay I really like your color and strokes in this painting. Letting the OPs set up for awhile allows you to go back and work on it some more.
I'm watching the progress RG.

pat

GOSH
11-04-2009, 04:37 PM
Hal: ;)
Shirl: Thank You :)
Vlad: Thank You and welcome to the Oil Pastel Forum :wave:

I foresee some great work with Serenas references this month.

GOSH
11-04-2009, 04:45 PM
Hal: ;)
Shirl: Thank You :)
Vlad: Thank You and welcome to the Oil Pastel Forum :wave:

I foresee some great work with Serenas references this month.

GOSH
11-04-2009, 04:55 PM
This thread is moving fast...:eek: Great apples, Gosh and I like the basket weave.
Seejay I really like your color and strokes in this painting. Letting the OPs set up for awhile allows you to go back and work on it some more.
I'm watching the progress RG.

pat

Thank you, Pat.:wave:

truck driver
11-04-2009, 07:13 PM
This thread is moving fast...:eek: Great apples, Gosh and I like the basket weave.
Seejay I really like your color and strokes in this painting. Letting the OPs set up for awhile allows you to go back and work on it some more.
I'm watching the progress RG.

pat

Watching the progresss, hmm is this good, or bad :wink2:

Gosh says its good. is she lying to me :)

RG

rjmarchitect
11-04-2009, 07:14 PM
It seems I need another post prior to loading my first pass on the apples.
So after this I will follow with the image (I hope!)
It is 9" x 12" (23cm x 30cm) on Uart 400, with Sen's and Holbeins.
Russ

rjmarchitect
11-04-2009, 07:15 PM
We'll try again!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Nov-2009/204144-Apples_1.jpg
Russ

halthepainter
11-04-2009, 07:39 PM
Watching the progresss, hmm is this good, or bad :wink2:

Gosh says its good. is she lying to me :)

RG

RG I'm sure she's sincere, my DW is my toughest critic. :rolleyes:

GOSH
11-04-2009, 07:40 PM
We'll try again!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Nov-2009/204144-Apples_1.jpg
Russ

:eek:

halthepainter
11-04-2009, 07:42 PM
Wow Russ, you've set an incredibly high mark for your first posting. It is fantastic.

rjmarchitect
11-04-2009, 08:31 PM
Thanks Hal. I just hope the basket and bottom right don't throw me. I'm pondering how to attack them.
Russ

truck driver
11-04-2009, 10:22 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Nov-2009/136518-apples-final.jpg

Final version:

10x10 craypas specialists, holbeins, senneliers, and a touch of cretacolor oil pastel pencils. Support is heavy duty illustration board, coated with Goldens pastel ground.

RG

oldrockchick
11-05-2009, 07:43 AM
GOSH - cool apples, nice and emphatic. Specially detailed work on the basket. Not sure if I have already commented on the water feature, but I love the colours - especially the purple reflections :P

Seejay - Chris - I'm glad you joined us in our challenges and nice first piece. I think you r problems with layering could be due to the paper. I have used similar including the similar W & N Tints and find not enough tooth. Whilst I like a nice even texture I find the smooth papers dont' hlad much and do smudge and layer. Maybe try a paper with a little more tooth next time? There are one or 2 good threads on here that can offer advice. I've recently started to coat paper with Colourfix primer. Only dont a couple of piece on it yet - but I like it.

RG - this is coming on great - the basket actually looks more like one of those traditional sculptured bowls .. and I like it.

Instead of cuddling and readig together, My DW and I are into sado Machoism. She wields the whip and I take the pain pills to enhance the effect.

Beside feel good pills are illrgal.
:eek: :eek: TMI!!! lol :evil:

Hal - thanks for the Matisse you posted. It's odd because I love realist art so much, but I do LOVE Matisse. He is so flamboyant and .... bright!

Vladk - hi :wave: and welcome to OPs. I think you will like us folks although we can be a little eccentric at times :lol: Why not join us on the Oil Gusher in our talk froum and get to know us.

Russ - also :wave: Welcome to you too. It's great to have new people dropping by and joining our OP family. I'm impressed with your work so far - love those apples!



You are all doing so well and I haven't even started yet!

halthepainter
11-05-2009, 08:53 AM
RG I love your subdued treatment of the apples. Well done.

Pat Isaac
11-05-2009, 08:56 AM
Beautifully done, Russ....jaw dropping even....
RG, I ditto Hal's remark. I like the minimalist feel to this.

Pat

truck driver
11-05-2009, 03:20 PM
Beautifully done, Russ....jaw dropping even....
RG, I ditto Hal's remark. I like the minimalist feel to this.

Pat

I agree Russ is off to one heck of a start!!!

heres the deal and what I was trying to accomplish with mine.


1. More attention to composition:

When I cropped the image I was looking to put the big yellow apple in one
of the sweet spots on the page. Then I moved the apple stems and stem
holes to follow the curve of the basket. Thinking about repeating the line of the basket, and the line of the apples just above it.

2. More detail:

The brown and white cloth underneath the apples, the folds in the cloth, and the second bowl in the apples. Where things I wanted to get right, as well as the apples themselves.

3. No reliance on black for shadows and shapes:

I did use some, but most of what looks like black is either indigo or a pale green, and a purple. One of the major ideas to keep this from happening was to stay with really bright apples, expeccially the big yellow one up front. Leonardo Da'Vinci says keep the main object the brightest and lightest, this will allow you to get more relief. The other technique I wanted to explore was sfumato (smokey) which is where the lighter shades, and over all blending to avoid hard edges comes into play.

Things I learned:

If you are going to shade your graphite underdrawings, shade smooth with the graphite. This will keep individual pencil lines from showing through the yellow and save you a bunch of trouble.

Paying better attention to composition pays off big time.

My photography sucks :)

RG

halthepainter
11-05-2009, 03:50 PM
My goodness RG you're starting to sound like me (heaven forbid). I always have to write paragraphs to go along with my paintings to try to explain what I'm trying to accomplish.

I do like your painting. Your yellow apple, center of interest, does have a Van Gogh feel. You did repeat the yellow color elsewhere as you should and your painting has a wonderful impressionistic feel.

In my Opinion, Russ's painting is ultrarealistic which is also wonderful. They both have different feels and they both work very well.

Every artist should put a bit of his personality and feelings into his or her art and hoooray fot the differences.

serenasocean
11-05-2009, 07:58 PM
Hello everyone,

Welcome to the folks who are going to try the challenge for the first time this month. I'm looking forward to seeing what you all produce.

RG, I see dramatic improvement with each version you've posted. The final version has good highlights. I especially like the apple in the lower left corner -- very realistic.

Russ, I think your painting looks better than the reference photo! I can't wait to see it done.

I'm on call a lot in the next few weeks, so I may get a late start to the paintings, but I can't wait to begin.

:)

kazuki
11-05-2009, 11:20 PM
Great work RG and Gosh. Love the apples.
Russ, I have to ditto Pat's and Gosh's comments. Jaw dropping!!!!!

My Japanese garden WIP: Top half is done so far. Hope to complete edge of the pathway, water and reflections today.
Art paper (trying various surfaces)
Pentel student pastels
Gouche underpainting
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Nov-2009/109571-Nov09_038_Medium.jpg

Planning to scrap out the disastrous trees in far behind and redo it. What do you guys say?

kazuki
11-05-2009, 11:58 PM
Another WIP. The apples.
This is the picture I'm working on.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Nov-2009/109571-65034-greenapples_Small.jpg

Some serious sketching this time. Went art shopping yesterday and bought canson paper for painting.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Nov-2009/109571-Nov09_040_Small.jpg

Can't wait to use my new 15 colors of senneliers. Should be able to start it today or on monday...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Nov-2009/109571-Nov09_042_Medium.jpg
They didn't have white pastels in stock. :-(
Thinking of using with pentel white pastel. No other way until I find another art shop with better supplies.

rjmarchitect
11-06-2009, 12:15 AM
Thanks to all for the comments. As I mentioned the basket is giving me issues to get it to work with the apples. I'm just not sure how to work it as I am still new to the OP's. I am totally taken aback by how it has turned out, nothing like the first few pieces I have tried.

Again thanks to you all for the encouragement!

Sue your work on the garden looks great!

RG and Gosh I do enjoy the styles you have employed.

Hal, did I do it too tight?

truck driver
11-06-2009, 12:28 AM
Thanks to all for the comments. As I mentioned the basket is giving me issues to get it to work with the apples. I'm just not sure how to work it as I am still new to the OP's. I am totally taken aback by how it has turned out, nothing like the first few pieces I have tried.

Again thanks to you all for the encouragement!

Sue your work on the garden looks great!

RG and Gosh I do enjoy the styles you have employed.

Hal, did I do it too tight?

RJ can I call you that? I seem to like two letter names :)

First dont worry about it. Second remember you can scrape away op, or push it to where you need to go. Third that basket aint easy. I would reccomend a practice piece for the basket texture. For the blacker details think either pencil, oil pencil, or right now my current favorite cretacolor neros heck of an oil pencil. Easier to control the edges.

Good luck and look forward to seeing it.

RG

VladK
11-06-2009, 12:35 AM
This is what i did tonight:wink2: i pictured the process in 3 steps basically, there were breaks. tried to show light and mood...
Tell me what you think:confused:

truck driver
11-06-2009, 02:52 AM
Great work RG and Gosh. Love the apples.
Russ, I have to ditto Pat's and Gosh's comments. Jaw dropping!!!!!

My Japanese garden WIP: Top half is done so far. Hope to complete edge of the pathway, water and reflections today.
Art paper (trying various surfaces)
Pentel student pastels
Gouche underpainting
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Nov-2009/109571-Nov09_038_Medium.jpg

Planning to scrap out the disastrous trees in far behind and redo it. What do you guys say?

umm where are the disastrous trees?

rg

truck driver
11-06-2009, 02:55 AM
This is what i did tonight:wink2: i pictured the process in 3 steps basically, there were breaks. tried to show light and mood...
Tell me what you think:confused:


Looking good Vlad, what size, support, and what brand of ops?

RG

truck driver
11-06-2009, 03:00 AM
Another WIP. The apples.
This is the picture I'm working on.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Nov-2009/109571-65034-greenapples_Small.jpg

Some serious sketching this time. Went art shopping yesterday and bought canson paper for painting.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Nov-2009/109571-Nov09_040_Small.jpg

Can't wait to use my new 15 colors of senneliers. Should be able to start it today or on monday...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Nov-2009/109571-Nov09_042_Medium.jpg
They didn't have white pastels in stock. :-(
Thinking of using with pentel white pastel. No other way until I find another art shop with better supplies.

Theres a couple of ways.. do you have any white colored pencils? you can add highlights with them. You can use your pentel white, with just a smidge of the gray that it looks like you have. you can arrange your color scheme so the grey looks white on the dark paper you have. Using just a bit of the sennelier with the pentel will soften the pentel a bit, and make it easier to work with. Hope this helps

RG

truck driver
11-06-2009, 03:06 AM
First time in for one of your challenges... I've been playing a little with OPs lately so jumping in here.

Mi Tiente paper, smooth side, about 19 x 20 cm. Things are just starting to get smudgy and hard to fix so I'm calling it quits.:cat:

Cheers
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Nov-2009/6409-november_project_Medium.jpg

SeeJay, I am really enjoying the way you did this, I really like it.

RG

truck driver
11-06-2009, 03:07 AM
First time in for one of your challenges... I've been playing a little with OPs lately so jumping in here.

Mi Tiente paper, smooth side, about 19 x 20 cm. Things are just starting to get smudgy and hard to fix so I'm calling it quits.:cat:

Cheers
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Nov-2009/6409-november_project_Medium.jpg

seejay I really enjoy the way you did this, great job.

RG

kazuki
11-06-2009, 03:16 AM
umm where are the disastrous trees?
rg

Does that mean a compliment? :D ;)

I actually meant the tree in the center above the mantle piece (or lamp post, whatever) and the 2 shrubs below it. They were all done in same strokes only with a little bit of color change.
Anyway, I scraped away the bottom most of the 3 and redrew it. This is what I have now.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Nov-2009/109571-Nov09_046_Medium.jpg

The corrected shrub now looks like fireworks! No longer a disaster. It's a symbol of celebration LOL.

Somehow, I am not very happy about correcting pictures. I feel lazy and disinterested. Wonder why!!!!!

kazuki
11-06-2009, 03:22 AM
Somehow missed yours Chris. Beautifully done.

And Vlad, I love your pic. The basket is great.

kazuki
11-06-2009, 03:33 AM
Theres a couple of ways.. do you have any white colored pencils? you can add highlights with them. You can use your pentel white, with just a smidge of the gray that it looks like you have. you can arrange your color scheme so the grey looks white on the dark paper you have. Using just a bit of the sennelier with the pentel will soften the pentel a bit, and make it easier to work with. Hope this helps

RG

I don't have oil pencils. But I have a set of regular colored pencils that I got as freebie with some stationery. Pelikan brand. Did you mean regular color pencils?????

Oh wow the idea of grey sounds great. I didn't think of it that way. I merely looked at the photo and wanted to copy the colors. But I started painting a while before seeing your comment. Here's what I've got.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Nov-2009/109571-Nov09_048_Small.jpg

I was half way through the 2 apples when son woke up and I had to stop. This is my first experience with canson paper and also senneliers.

Used the greens that I had in senns and pentel white, pentel naples yellow. I started blocking the body of the apples and somehow managed the dark areas with my senns but when it came to the bright portion and I put the pentels in it, my colors start pushing each other. Really, I'm not sure which one of these is pushy, but once the white is in the paper, it creates a mess there.
HELPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!

Pat Isaac
11-06-2009, 07:55 AM
Yikes, I miss half a day and here are all these great paintings. It is really great to see all the variety of apples. Look at those luscious Senns...you may be having trouble with them pushing each other around as the Pentels are harder and therefore don't tend to layer well on top of the Senns. Let them set up for a day and see what happens.

pat

halthepainter
11-06-2009, 09:02 AM
Hal, did I do it too tight?

You did exactly what I expected. :thumbsup: Beautiful job. As I Said thank goodness for all our different styles, else we would only need one artist. :D

VladK
11-06-2009, 09:10 AM
RG: I used canson pastel paper 9x12, oil pastels are Pro-art or something, just bought to try (going to buy Sennelier this weekend):cat: .
I like your apples very much, nice color gamma.

Kazuki: thank you, i love your fountain, and apples look veeeeery promising:thumbsup: .

oldrockchick
11-06-2009, 10:00 AM
Great work RG and Gosh. Love the apples.
Russ, I have to ditto Pat's and Gosh's comments. Jaw dropping!!!!!

My Japanese garden WIP: Top half is done so far. Hope to complete edge of the pathway, water and reflections today.
Art paper (trying various surfaces)
Pentel student pastels
Gouche underpainting
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Nov-2009/109571-Nov09_038_Medium.jpg

Planning to scrap out the disastrous trees in far behind and redo it. What do you guys say?
I will be interested to see how you get on with this odd looking paper. Does it have enough toothe to hold the layers?

The tree in the top right is very good, I would keep that. The dark ones on the left could benefit from a few tonal variations. It's a WIP so you will see it differently as you go along.

Great start on the rocks and water feature and the grasses in the midground are good.


They didn't have white pastels in stock. :-(
Thinking of using with pentel white pastel. No other way until I find another art shop with better supplies.

This could be a problem. Student grades tend to be hard and crumble too. They are fine underneath Senns but as Senns are incredibly soft they are nto too good as lower layers to anything other than themsleves. They can be tough to blend with harder ones too as they tend to smudge over the harder ones. Especially on a smooth paper.
If you have to use a harder white use it under the Senns. - it might be tricky. Might be hard for highlights but what you could do for bodywyr is to lay down the Student white and use the light grey you have there to blend with it.

Nice selection of colours on the Senns

oldrockchick
11-06-2009, 10:23 AM
Vlad - Nice bold start and love the dark 'breaks'


Kazuki - good changes, love the wall work around the back of the 'fountain?' thingy. Stilll say a couple of tonal variations at back left would help. I am drawn to a big 'dark bit'.
You have soom great darsk in your palette of Senns btw.
Apples are looking great! i just bought some Canson and I've never used it so let us know how you get on with iit.
I think the problems are the softness of the Senns. Because they are considered to be 'the best' a lot of people start with them. They are not the easiest. Their softeness can make them very hard to manage especially on papers with not much tooth. They don't play well with the other kids, either sometimes. They treat harder pastels like a support and can take over.
I only use Senns for top coats and glazes myself.

I'm not sure what to suggest, maybe some of us that have more experience with Senns can help.

A lady at my art group wants to start in Oil Pastels and ordered herself a set of Daler Rowney artists as they are artists quality and good value. I said I thought this was a good move for a beginner in OPs. She then said as 'Senns were the best' she was going to get a full set. I explained that because of their reputation and the desire to want the best a lot of people do that and then give up on OPs as 'too difficult'. I advised her to get a set of Neopastels.... cheaper and better for a beginner. DRs are quite firm (not as firm as cheap students grade thought)

the thing is Neos are fantastic and artists pro quality but so much more user friendly. They dont' crumb and are compatible with softer and harder OPs They will layer over DRS well and under Senns and blend well with Senns.

A mix of hard OPS and Senns is troubleswome for an experienced OPer but extrememly difficult for a beginner,.

My advice to beginners is to NOT buy Senns but a medium hard artists grade OP -like Neos which are much more forgiving.


A good student but almost artists quality too is the Gallery Inscribe- I started with these and used them for 2 years. I only upgraded to artists quality 6 months ago when I bought my DC Neopastels... which I love! They are also long lasting and do not break or 'melt' like the Senns.

I think some of your issues Kazuki may be as Pat said - trying to work with incompatible materials. Especially on a surface with little tooth.

rjmarchitect
11-06-2009, 11:03 AM
RG, Lin and Pat - thanks for the encouragement and tips. I too have had the blending/layering issues.

RG - RJ works OK. I did scape away my initial basket work, discovered I may have done it too hard as the "sand" came off with the OP's so I now have a "smooth" surface to work over. I have Prismacolor pencils, will they work or cause a conflict with the OP's?

Russ (RJ)

truck driver
11-06-2009, 04:54 PM
RG, Lin and Pat - thanks for the encouragement and tips. I too have had the blending/layering issues.

RG - RJ works OK. I did scape away my initial basket work, discovered I may have done it too hard as the "sand" came off with the OP's so I now have a "smooth" surface to work over. I have Prismacolor pencils, will they work or cause a conflict with the OP's?

Russ (RJ)

Russ,

prismas are one of the brands Pat likes the most for working with op.

there a wax based not oil based pencil but they are strongly pigmented and go together nicely.


RG

Pat Isaac
11-06-2009, 04:56 PM
They do work nicely together and I also use Walnut Hollow oil pencils and the polychromos work well also.

Pat

truck driver
11-06-2009, 04:59 PM
I don't have oil pencils. But I have a set of regular colored pencils that I got as freebie with some stationery. Pelikan brand. Did you mean regular color pencils?????

Oh wow the idea of grey sounds great. I didn't think of it that way. I merely looked at the photo and wanted to copy the colors. But I started painting a while before seeing your comment. Here's what I've got.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Nov-2009/109571-Nov09_048_Small.jpg

I was half way through the 2 apples when son woke up and I had to stop. This is my first experience with canson paper and also senneliers.

Used the greens that I had in senns and pentel white, pentel naples yellow. I started blocking the body of the apples and somehow managed the dark areas with my senns but when it came to the bright portion and I put the pentels in it, my colors start pushing each other. Really, I'm not sure which one of these is pushy, but once the white is in the paper, it creates a mess there.
HELPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!

oil pencils are different than colored pencils, color pencils tend to be wax bases oil pencils tend to be oil based, either will work with op. Thouhgh some of the harder colored pencils tend to scratch the op surface more than others. Once the op starts to push each other around, let it set for a while, generally means its gotten to warm, one trick you can use is to put it in a paper bag, and stick it in the freezer, should blend nicely upon removel.

RG

truck driver
11-06-2009, 05:25 PM
I don't have oil pencils. But I have a set of regular colored pencils that I got as freebie with some stationery. Pelikan brand. Did you mean regular color pencils?????

Oh wow the idea of grey sounds great. I didn't think of it that way. I merely looked at the photo and wanted to copy the colors. But I started painting a while before seeing your comment. Here's what I've got.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Nov-2009/109571-Nov09_048_Small.jpg

I was half way through the 2 apples when son woke up and I had to stop. This is my first experience with canson paper and also senneliers.

Used the greens that I had in senns and pentel white, pentel naples yellow. I started blocking the body of the apples and somehow managed the dark areas with my senns but when it came to the bright portion and I put the pentels in it, my colors start pushing each other. Really, I'm not sure which one of these is pushy, but once the white is in the paper, it creates a mess there.
HELPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!

stick it in a brown paper bag, and stick it in the freezer for 30 minutes. Or let it set for 24 hours, once the senneliers cool down it will be much easier to mix the harder op with them :) (op trick #21)

RG

truck driver
11-06-2009, 05:28 PM
RG: I used canson pastel paper 9x12, oil pastels are Pro-art or something, just bought to try (going to buy Sennelier this weekend):cat: .
I like your apples very much, nice color gamma.

Kazuki: thank you, i love your fountain, and apples look veeeeery promising:thumbsup: .

In that case very good work, with those hard as a rock ops :)

RG

truck driver
11-06-2009, 05:44 PM
I will be interested to see how you get on with this odd looking paper. Does it have enough toothe to hold the layers?

The tree in the top right is very good, I would keep that. The dark ones on the left could benefit from a few tonal variations. It's a WIP so you will see it differently as you go along.

Great start on the rocks and water feature and the grasses in the midground are good.




This could be a problem. Student grades tend to be hard and crumble too. They are fine underneath Senns but as Senns are incredibly soft they are nto too good as lower layers to anything other than themsleves. They can be tough to blend with harder ones too as they tend to smudge over the harder ones. Especially on a smooth paper.
If you have to use a harder white use it under the Senns. - it might be tricky. Might be hard for highlights but what you could do for bodywyr is to lay down the Student white and use the light grey you have there to blend with it.

Nice selection of colours on the Senns


Define student, vs artist grade oil pastels for me? Until we have some kind of idea of what those words mean there useless. I wrote a very long msg regarding this subject and somehow it got erased before I could finish it browser closed the window or something..

1. cheap ops and expensive ops are compatible. there are some tricks that may need to be employed to work together.
2. cheap ops should not be used as underpainting for expensive ops
3. Manufactures today decide what we call artist grade, professional grade, and student grade ops.
4. In every other medium you choose one of the things that everyone will tell you to look for is color index names on the product. There is a major brand of op that does not do this, and further demonstrates that there colour names do match the pigments they are named after. For example there burnt umber is not lightfast (pbr 9) is burnt umber iron oxide, lightfastness of I, existed for thousands of years on cave walls. This company also claims there ops are toxen free, while using names like cobalt, chromium .. etc. IN ANY OTHER MEDIUM THIS BRAND WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED TO BE ARTIST GRADE. REGARDLESS OF COST!!!

I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.

RG

oldrockchick
11-06-2009, 07:17 PM
Define student, vs artist grade oil pastels for me? Until we have some kind of idea of what those words mean there useless. I wrote a very long msg regarding this subject and somehow it got erased before I could finish it browser closed the window or something..

1. cheap ops and expensive ops are compatible. there are some tricks that may need to be employed to work together.
2. cheap ops should not be used as underpainting for expensive ops
3. Manufactures today decide what we call artist grade, professional grade, and student grade ops.
4. In every other medium you choose one of the things that everyone will tell you to look for is color index names on the product. There is a major brand of op that does not do this, and further demonstrates that there colour names do match the pigments they are named after. For example there burnt umber is not lightfast (pbr 9) is burnt umber iron oxide, lightfastness of I, existed for thousands of years on cave walls. This company also claims there ops are toxen free, while using names like cobalt, chromium .. etc. IN ANY OTHER MEDIUM THIS BRAND WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED TO BE ARTIST GRADE. REGARDLESS OF COST!!!

I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.

RG

I get ya. Ops still remain pretty much a grey area. I think a lot of 'grading' is also based on 'reputation' as much as spec.

Bill probably coudl elucidate on OPs and grades.

rjmarchitect
11-07-2009, 02:43 AM
Sue: Your start on the apples looks great. The way your building the shadows and shapes is so well controlled. Keep up the good work (especially with a little one around)-
Russ

serenasocean
11-07-2009, 06:58 PM
Wow, this thread is moving so fast I can't keep up!

First, I'd like to say I'm impressed with the way everyone is handling the basket. I thought that would be the most difficult part.

Sue, your apples are coming along beautifully. Great color and texture on them.

Vlad, very nice work! Thanks for sharing your WIP. It's always interesting to see how people work on their pieces.

:)

VladK
11-07-2009, 09:16 PM
This is a final version. I decided to stop as I'm afraid to overdo this. Again, size is 8x10 on 9x12 canson pastel paper. Pastels are still student grade, waiting for my Sennelier order to arrive:wink2: . Tools: finger, tortillions, small brush, toothpicks, pieces of paper. I love ops:thumbsup:

Thanks everybody for your input and sharing. It is really exciting to participate in this forum.

Next is a fountain;)

VladK
11-07-2009, 09:19 PM
RG, yes, they are really hard:lol: :lol: :lol: and crumbling:D .

halthepainter
11-07-2009, 11:06 PM
Well done Vlad. Looks as if you had a lot of fun with this one...

I fully expected to see a worm crawl out of the blemish in the lower left apple! :lol: :lol: :thumbsup:

Just a small thing. Your yellow apple, at the center of focus, at least to me, the dark shading right of center reads as a sunken areaa rather that an area with a positively curved surface. It just might be these old eyes. :confused:


Your basket is gorgeous.

rjmarchitect
11-07-2009, 11:51 PM
Vlad:
Your apples and basket look great.
Russ

kazuki
11-08-2009, 05:29 AM
Sorry guys. I seem to have lost my radar. But it happens every weekend, when I don't do much online, neither do I paint.

Pat, it's been 48 hours now and I still haven't touched it. Hopefully I'll be able to do a better job tomorrow.

Vlad, thanks. And your final version has come out really well.

Yeah, Lin, the paper is really strange. But I was satisfied with painting on it with my pentels. I'm even planning to try senns on it, that is, when I become conversant with senns on regular watercolor papers.
I can't say anything about canson yet. Since I started Senns and canson in the same painting for the first time. May be after 3 or 4 experiments, I'll have a good answer :-)
You give me hope to continue painting even without having a big set of senns. Probably I'll stick to what I have for now plus one white senns. And learn to manage the softness of senns first....

RG, I havent got a chance to make any changes yet. I'll definitely try the color pencils and keep posted.

Thanks for the encouragement, Russ and Serena.

robertsloan2
11-08-2009, 08:31 AM
Wow! Great references and in only a week so many beautiful versions of them. Every one of these is spectacular.

Kazuki, there's another temperature trick you can use for Pentel over Sennelier that might work. Let the Sennelier set up overnight and then put it in the freezer for 20 minutes like RG said. Then warm the Pentel. Try putting it in a plastic bag into hot hot hot water for a while, to soften it, till it's warm in your hand but not melted. Or nuke it for maybe 10 seconds, try short times at first like even just five seconds, test it on paper, work up to where it's softer but isn't actually melted gradually to know the actual time for your microwave.

That maximizes the temperature softness changes, nuke the stick and then take the art out of the freezer or fridge and you might have enough texture difference to keep from moving the Senneliers around.

All of these are so awesome. RG, yours went through some serious changes and I'm so glad that at the end you got the modeling shadows and values true, was itching to say that and then I'd see your next stage and next, the final stage is so gorgeous.

Wonderful challenge. A bit tough to try in my noveling month, unless I just crop the apples brutally, but I might do that. Or I might do one late, get the noveling done first.

oldrockchick
11-08-2009, 10:08 AM
Vlad - I'm rather impressed with your apples piece especially with hard and crumbly OPs. The basket is excellent.

Sue - I learned through experimenting - in fact I am still learning. It has taken me 2 years to decide which OPs i like using and which for what.

VladK
11-09-2009, 01:39 PM
halthepainter, thank you, and, yes, this is my bad - i didn't use reference picture at the end:o , let's call it sunken area:wink2:
also my thanks to rjmarchitect, kazuki, and oldrockchick:cat:

Pat Isaac
11-09-2009, 03:40 PM
Yes,Vlad great finish especially with those OPs.


pat

VladK
11-10-2009, 12:44 AM
Thank you Pat, and these are my tonigt's work pics. Pastel paper 9x12, student grade pastels.

rjmarchitect
11-11-2009, 12:18 PM
Here is my final pass at the apples. The basket took a while. I didn't use any pencils ( I appreciated the input from everyone on that subject ), all line work was with the OP's.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Nov-2009/204144-Final_Apples.jpg
Thanks again for all you help and encouragement. C & C's welcome always.
Russ

oldrockchick
11-11-2009, 12:19 PM
Vlad - you are really getting the hang of OPs

Russ - your apples are so amazing at first glance I thought it was the ref!. Excellent work on the basket too!


It's about time I got myself into gear and started doing one of these....

Apples here I come!

halthepainter
11-11-2009, 12:54 PM
Russ, what can anyone say, it's perfect.

truck driver
11-11-2009, 01:19 PM
Russ, I dont know what to say. Incredible, awesome, fantastic, the only nitpick I can come up with is you have a couple edges that are perhaps a bit
harder than they need to be. The overall affect is very, very GOOD!

I wouldnt change a single thing.


Vlad: hell of a job there bro...

Great work for a couple of "rookies".


RG

VladK
11-11-2009, 01:59 PM
Russ, the aples are radiant and full of life, feel the juice.
RG, thanks for everything, you supported me and gave me a courage :wink2:
oldrockchick, thanks, i practice a lot now, have a lot of new ideas, just trying to find time:D between work and sleep
thanks everybody:) i really liked this first challenge and hopefully, will improve with a time.

truck driver
11-11-2009, 04:18 PM
Russ, the aples are radiant and full of life, feel the juice.
RG, thanks for everything, you supported me and gave me a courage :wink2:
oldrockchick, thanks, i practice a lot now, have a lot of new ideas, just trying to find time:D between work and sleep
thanks everybody:) i really liked this first challenge and hopefully, will improve with a time.

The curious thing about art is this, it gives you back exactly what you are willing to give it. There are some things that no matter how much effort you put into, it just seems you never get better. Art is one of those things that if your willing to put the time in to draw, and to learn how to do things. It gives you back what you put in, in spades. Keep working ..

RG

Pat Isaac
11-11-2009, 04:34 PM
Right on, RG

Russ, this is an absolutely fantastic painting. Everything about it is great. Color and texture. You are a master with the OPs.

Pat

oldrockchick
11-11-2009, 04:39 PM
Well, I doubt I can beat the standard of the others on this page - but I made a start at least.

Here is my sketch and underdrawing (so far) with FC Polychromos.
Now to add some OPs.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Nov-2009/179312-OP_Nov_Apples_WIP1.jpg

this is my first piece using a paper coated with clear colourfix.
I got a piece of WC paper, coated both sides with gesso then on the 'front' I added a coat of clear Colourfix... NEVER used CF before either paper or primer so this will be totally experimental for me.

Pat Isaac
11-11-2009, 04:41 PM
This is a great start, Lin. Nice drawing.

Pat

rjmarchitect
11-11-2009, 06:22 PM
Thanks all for the nice comments. I am afraid I won't be able to keep this up. But I have fallen in LOVE with the OP's.

Lin, I believe there is "no keeping up" in art, at least that is what I have been told. I think your start is really great! Full speed ahead and remember have fun.
Russ

truck driver
11-11-2009, 07:40 PM
Thanks all for the nice comments. I am afraid I won't be able to keep this up. But I have fallen in LOVE with the OP's.

Lin, I believe there is "no keeping up" in art, at least that is what I have been told. I think your start is really great! Full speed ahead and remember have fun.
Russ

wont be able to keep this up, there is no keeping up in art...

/me starts scratching his head looks at rj......


nope this one is done.. only one question now...

NEXT :) Really looking forward to seeing more of your work. No I dont expect everything you do will look as good as this. On the other hand a year from now I expect you to look back at this one and go... That really isnt as good as I thought it was.... Not that i'm saying its bad work at all.... because its not. Just in a year you will be better than you are now, and see things you dont see now, Even though your doing a heck of a job of that already.



RG

serenasocean
11-12-2009, 09:48 AM
Hello!

Russ, your final product is amazing! It is very vibrant and detailed.

Lin, great start and can't wait to see more!

I think the great thing about seeing everyone's work in progress is that we can see the work you put into the paintings, beginning with the drawing, then blocking out the colors, then the details.

Thanks everyone for sharing!! :)

oldrockchick
11-12-2009, 10:39 AM
This is where I got to before I went to bed last night.
I finished the pencil underpainting on the basket
I decided to sit the basket on an old wooden table so I've doen the wood grain.
Then I started with the apples and first added in all the white highlights and dark recesses.
I then started to form the apples individually starting from the back.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Nov-2009/179312-OP_Nov_apples_WIP2.jpg

halthepainter
11-12-2009, 11:27 AM
Great start Lin, nice depth.

rjmarchitect
11-12-2009, 11:45 AM
Lin I agree with Hal, it is really looking good.
Russ

VladK
11-13-2009, 12:09 AM
Lin, it looks very good:thumbsup: . keep going:clap:

kazuki
11-13-2009, 11:20 AM
Love the vegetation in your painting, Vlad. They are accurate and closer to the reference than mine, which makes clear that I was not looking at the reference photo as much as I should!

The apples AND basket are awesome, Russ. I have no words.

Lin, The apples are coming along so well. Can't wait to see the results :-)


Now, here's what I did today.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Nov-2009/109571-Nov09_283_Medium.jpg

I painted the apples, thought they are done, did the baskets, felt content, took some photos and then started a new painting. Only when I see the photos on computer, I realize that it is still not done. C&C welcome. Suggestions too.

halthepainter
11-13-2009, 01:27 PM
Love the vegetation in your painting, Vlad. They are accurate and closer to the reference than mine, which makes clear that I was not looking at the reference photo as much as I should!

Sue there is no reward for exactly copying a photo. Why bother, the camera has already done a good job, other than perhaps making the darks too dark. If you're going for an exact copy just to see if you can do it, that's great but the artist is a god. Use the photo as a reference, put your feeling and soul into your painting. What would you like your reality to be. Make your painting a reflection of you.


Now, here's what I did today.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Nov-2009/109571-Nov09_283_Medium.jpg

I painted the apples, thought they are done, did the baskets, felt content, took some photos and then started a new painting. Only when I see the photos on computer, I realize that it is still not done. C&C welcome. Suggestions too.

Sue there is nothing wrong with your apples. Your painting has a wonderful loose feel, a certain light airness. If the apples reflect your feelings on the subject, then they're done and nothing else is required. It is possible to tweek a painting forever. I like your painting.

Pat Isaac
11-13-2009, 02:39 PM
I really like the crop on this painting, great job. I do thisk the white on the left apple could have a little yellow or green as it turns. Nice loose feel.

Pat

VladK
11-13-2009, 02:56 PM
Sue, I agree with Hal - this is really good job:thumbsup:

truck driver
11-14-2009, 08:13 PM
Looks great to me. My apples don't look like my wifes, or anybody else's for that matter. Yet I believe its one of the best I have done. JUST BECAUSE it doesn't look exactly like the reference doesn't mean you didnt do a good job !!!!!

I love the triangular composition you used, and the soft painterly feel you accomplished. Completely different than what everybody else has done. Great work. Part of the deal with the challenges is to see how other people approach the same subject. Another part is to learn how to express yourself within the confines of a given image. You did great....



RG

In other words I agree with Hal :)

truck driver
11-14-2009, 08:16 PM
A example of what i'm talking about is I think the august challenge, and Gosh's (my wife) version of the chicken. Also Hals version is I believe what got my wife thinking that way.

RG

halthepainter
11-15-2009, 11:00 AM
Well RG, here I go again. Once again my challenge painting requires paragraphs of explanation.

I made no attempt to duplicate the photo. I want the painting to be my art and not someone else's photo. The reflection in the photo is quite nice but I wanted the painting to emphasize the garden lantern. Hence I changed the composition and color scheme. I did like the near compliment, touch of pink and I kept that in.

I've been wanting to try the Swedish painter, Anders Zorn palette in a painting and decided this was it. The Zorn palette is black, white, red and yellow.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Nov-2009/140488-ref_zorn,_anders.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Nov-2009/140488-ref_zorn_landscape.jpg

I used Sennelier yellow, white, red, and black from the introductory set because they are soft and I could mix them with a palette knife. The yellow in the introductory set is obiviously a lemon yellow where as Zorn's yellow was a warmer yellow. This lemon yellow allowed me to mix in a smidge of black in the yellow to make an acceptable green. White with a smidge (technical term) of black produces a bluish tint.

The next image was my set up: Paper palette, my four pastels from the introductory set, palette knife, color shaper. I rubbed pastels on the paper palette, one into another and picked up the pigment with the palette knife and spread it on the canvas. The color shaper softened areas of the pigment and smeared it around a bit. The only direct application of pastel sticks were on the lantern and on the stones, all the rest was with palette knife.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Nov-2009/140488-Nov_Wip_lantern.jpg

I used neither solvents nor linseed oil. The painting is on canvas panel, black gesso with a top layer of black gesso and marble dust. Image size it 8 by 10 inches.

This was my first attempt at mixing OPs this way. I would be happy to know if the big kids here in the OP Forum have techniques that are better. As always suggestions appreciated.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Nov-2009/140488-lores_Garden_Lantern_2.jpg

Pat Isaac
11-15-2009, 11:13 AM
Nicely done, Hal and no one technique is better than another. It is what works for you and what you feel comfortable with. The color palette and the mixes you made work well through the painting and I like the subtle color in the water reflections. How did you like doing this?

Pat

oldrockchick
11-15-2009, 11:17 AM
Kazuki - great job on your apples!

Hal - that zorn palette reminds me of my pics when my colour cartridge has run low..... very effective though. It's good to use the refs as you see them and develop something of your own. I often never think of that. I have this pre-programme built into my brain from my past educational and familial development that screams at me to make things look exactly as I see them.... it is so hard to get out of and stunts my creativity. It comes from my childhood and strict academic upbringing where anythign that didn't look exact was considered rubbish and I was admonished. Any attempts at creativity were met with contempt. Also having to do scientific renditions of stuff and getting low marks for poor representation. Now I'm conditioned to reproduce accuracy.... I am trying really really hard to escape from it.
I admire your ability to do so!
I have used that palette technique with experiments in the past. Also the make crumbs and squash them together technique. I like the direct to support method better myself although I do use varied techniques for landscapes.

I have been considering some plans for this ref that I would like to try after the apples. I'm striving to make them very realist.

I tried to use my OPs for a WDE work last night and I'm having problems. Since we've had the central heating on they are getting way too warm. They are lifting off other colours when I apply them. Melting all over my hands and making a horrid mess. The Senns became unworkable. All of my pastels have started to break at 1/2 " down when I hold them.

I've stopped all my OP work temporarily and put all my OPs in the fridge. Problem is after they have been out a couple of hours they go too sft again. I've even been putting the painting I'm working on in the freezer for 20 mins.

My desk is close to the radiator. I have nowhere cool to work... and I'm not going to turn off the heating...

so its frustration and head scratching atm.

halthepainter
11-15-2009, 11:24 AM
Nicely done, Hal and no one technique is better than another. It is what works for you and what you feel comfortable with. The color palette and the mixes you made work well through the painting and I like the subtle color in the water reflections. How did you like doing this?

Pat

Pat, I had a ball. It came out much better than I expected it to. Had that yellow stick not been a lemon yellow, the results would have been much different. I'm fascinated with what can be accomplished with limited palettes.

I don't do monochromes but I love seeing other artiats' monochromes.

SammyH
11-15-2009, 02:08 PM
You guys really went to town on this months challenges. Nice selections, Serena.
I saw some really nice Japanese gardens by GOSH, Chris, and Sue. And great apples by GOSH, Vlad, RG, Lin, and Russ. Russ those apples and basket are wonderful and so super realistic.
Hal, love your experiment with a very limited palette. You were able to get some very nice greens with the yellow and a smidge of black. The black paper worked well to give you depth in the foliage and the bg foliage at the top left really stays back where it belongs. I also like the reflections in the water. Very nice results using an interesting experiment. (my spell check challenged the word smidge probably because it's such a high tech word)

halthepainter
11-15-2009, 02:26 PM
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(my spell check challenged the word smidge probably because it's such a high tech word)[/quote]

Hi Sammy, thank you and it's good to hear from you.

Yes "smidge" is quite technical and it requires a special spell check program to recognize it. :D

truck driver
11-15-2009, 02:31 PM
Pat, I had a ball. It came out much better than I expected it to. Had that yellow stick not been a lemon yellow, the results would have been much different. I'm fascinated with what can be accomplished with limited palettes.

I don't do monochromes but I love seeing other artiats' monochromes.

Its no fun if you cant talk about it at length :) at least the discussion isnt on the philosophical meaning of the colours you used. :)
Interesting technique, your paper pallette, was that the same as the paper palletes that are used for oil painting? or just a piece of paper? Its great to be able to take advantages of the effects of colours mixed with black. The paintings that you do in these styles work very well. Because of your knowledge of colour mixing. I appreciate the chance to learn from these.

RG

halthepainter
11-15-2009, 02:39 PM
Its no fun if you cant talk about it at length :) at least the discussion isnt on the philosophical meaning of the colours you used. :)
Interesting technique, your paper pallette, was that the same as the paper palletes that are used for oil painting? or just a piece of paper? Its great to be able to take advantages of the effects of colours mixed with black. The paintings that you do in these styles work very well. Because of your knowledge of colour mixing. I appreciate the chance to learn from these.

RG

Thank you RG. The paper palette is a typical palette pad for acrylics and oils with a slick non absorbant surface.

serenasocean
11-17-2009, 11:29 PM
Hiya everyone,

We are past the midway point, and I still haven't started! But I am in awe of the work that has been posted :)

Kazuki, great work! I love the softness of the apples and nice work on the basket.

Hal, the japanese garden is terrific. The foliage in the background is nicely developed.

I'm going to try to lay out some sketches tonight, so hopefully I'll have something to contribute soon.

:)

truck driver
11-19-2009, 08:12 PM
Yep past the midway point, and I still havent finished the stuff on my drawing board. Apples V2.0, and the garden. Though I have almost finished drawing them.

RG

kazuki
11-20-2009, 01:45 AM
Sue there is nothing wrong with your apples. Your painting has a wonderful loose feel, a certain light airness. If the apples reflect your feelings on the subject, then they're done and nothing else is required. It is possible to tweek a painting forever. I like your painting.


Thanks for the words HAL. In my past oil painting life, I used to try to get the exact copy of the reference. WHen I started these apples, I actually wanted to do a loose representation but somewhere down the lane, I found myself following the previous rules. It's like starting somwwhere and ending up somewhere else. I still need to learn to focus on what I want.

Thanks, Pat. I agree about those whites. I was trying to copy the photo!!!

Thanks, Vlad and RG, for agreeing with Hal. Now you can read my reply to Hal. LOL. (just kidding. Thanks a lot for your kind words.)

Thanks, Lin, Sammy and Serena.

RG, I checked for August challenge. I wasn't around here then. I couldn't find either your chicken or Gosh's. Still searching.

Hal. Thanks for the info about Anders Zorn. Unbelievable that somebody's pallette had only 3 colours. Now, that makes your painting a real challenge. Great work on the vegetation, stones and the mantle piece.

halthepainter
11-20-2009, 09:03 AM
RG, I checked for August challenge. I wasn't around here then. I couldn't find either your chicken or Gosh's. Still searching.

Hal. Thanks for the info about Anders Zorn. Unbelievable that somebody's pallette had only 3 colours. Now, that makes your painting a real challenge. Great work on the vegetation, stones and the mantle piece.

Hi Sue Here are links to the August Challenge:
The Challenges: http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8035797

Gosh's response: http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8174320

My entry: http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8054253

To find them you they are under the heading: "Challenges"

oldrockchick
11-20-2009, 12:43 PM
Hi all... just checking in.... Have temporarily stopped on my apples but will be returning.
I've been considerign ways ofr getting out of my 'must replicate at all costs' mindset by thinking of ways to re-compose the water feature work.

Keep up the great work guys.

oldrockchick
11-20-2009, 12:47 PM
Hi Sue Here are links to the August Challenge:
The Challenges: http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8035797

Gosh's response: http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8174320

My entry: http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8054253

To find them you they are under the heading: "Challenges"

I dont' remmebr seeing GOSH's chicken... glad you posted that here... I thought I'd got them all!

GOSH - apologies for not seeign your superb answer to my challenge... it's fantastic! an abstract chicken....how creative..:thumbsup::clap:

marionh
11-21-2009, 04:41 AM
I've been looking and lurking in this thread for a few days - There's some really good work going on here. As I can't use my soft pastels at the moment because of health reasons, I decided to jump in.

I've tried oil pastels in a haphazard way before - just playing around really - so am a relative newbie to them. I only had a limited palette, some bits of Caran d'Arch and W&N (have some others somewhere as I'm sure but couldn't find them) and an unopened trial pack of Senneliers. As a result I only have two greens and both of them relatively bright - Really need to find where those others are hiding.

Here is my attempt at the apples - 20x20c in Fisher sanded paper (sandy colour), used a wc under painting.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Nov-2009/42113-Green_apples_in_basket_800x600.jpg

Slightly lighter IRL. What do I do about the 'gunky' bits of OP on the painting. Should these be blended in or lifted off? Or will they settle in over time.
Should some sort of fixative be used when finished?

Off to try the Japanes garden now.

halthepainter
11-21-2009, 08:55 AM
Marion, wow, fantastic job, especially for a newbie to OPs.

No kidding a beautiful job.

The gunky bits should be lifted off and fixative is unnecessary. Frame under glass as oil pastels never become as firm as oil paint. The final surface is a frim wax surface and must be protected.

Use that introductory set of Senneliers. They can be mixed and a limited set of hues can be mixed to create secondaries.

My entry in this month's challenge (Japanese Lantern) was done with the introductory set of Senneliers; just using black, white, red and yellow.

You obiviously have a great artistic background and you did a fantastic job with the oillies. For health reasons, I've not used the dusties in a long time either.

Welcome aboard. Hope to see more of your work.

Pat Isaac
11-21-2009, 09:02 AM
Welcome, Marion...and you did a great job with the apples and basket. Never would know you were a newbie to OPs. Hal is right about the fix and crumbles...
Let's see more...

Pat

marionh
11-21-2009, 10:18 AM
Thanks for the welcome Hal and Pat and for your comments.

I've found my other OPs and although not great do give me a few more options. I can see an on line order coming on. My previous attempts at OP were hit and miss. The first time I used them about 5 years ago, I painted an art deco style iris and I was very pleased with it - even looking back now I still like it, but I think it was the luck of the beginner because any other time I've tried to get into them I was disheartened as they would not play.
Now I've decided to really get into them and just went for it. Of course I now have more experience so that has helped.

I've been reading lots of the help and threads so I am picking up lots of good tips. There's a wealth of info available.

Here is where I have got to with the Japanese garden. Need some more work, not least being the straightening of the reflection, but I would like any input anyone may have.
20x30cm on Fisher sanded paper.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Nov-2009/42113-japanese_garden_800x600.jpg

halthepainter
11-21-2009, 10:36 AM
Very nice job Marion.

Pat Isaac
11-21-2009, 06:41 PM
Nice work, Marion. one thing I always find helpful with reflections is to drag a few water ripples across the reflection. Just a hint of water.

Pat

kazuki
11-22-2009, 10:32 PM
Thanks for the links, Hal. I did see your chicken previously. The chicken has landed, Houston. It cracked me up. Wonderful creation. Gosh, you've got a nice abstract chicken. Man, you people are real adventurous with your paintings....

Marion, Both of your oil pastel paintings are great, that too with a limited palette. Awesome job.

halthepainter
11-22-2009, 11:22 PM
It's late (2315) The Eagles are beating the Bears and as I said in this weeks oil gusher, I hate painting apples, I don't care how good an exercise painting apples is Pat. :lol: :lol:
The Geezer is tired so I'm going with it as is.

Suggestions are welcome. Just be nicer than I have been. :evil:



http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Nov-2009/140488-Apples_Challenge_lores.JPG

OOPS, almost forgot. The painting is 8 by 10 inches, on canvas board, black gessoed with added marble dust. All Senneliers and all finger blending. (fingers sore right now)

Bears just lost, now I can go to bed.

hollyga
11-23-2009, 06:23 AM
Love the added red apple and red basket, Hal. Wondering where the golden retriever nose is (stealing an apple, of course). :lol: You've done a good job on this one, especially considering you weren't "inspired" to do it. I've seen several folks say they painted op's on canvas board and I've never tried it. I am working on the Japanese Garden on canvas board, so I hope I can do as well as you have done on it. :thumbsup:

- - Holly - -

halthepainter
11-23-2009, 08:30 AM
Thank you Holly.
Sorry I didn't think of putting Gus's nose in there somewhere. He is certainly curious enough and sticks is nose in everything. :lol:

Archival canvas board is my preferred surface for almost all my art.

marionh
11-24-2009, 11:17 AM
Hal, like the red apple touch and how you've used that same colour in the basket. Are you thinking about a highlight on the red apple? I think that would set it off nicely.

Do you always gesso the canvas board? I've got a couple that I would like to try.

halthepainter
11-24-2009, 11:30 AM
Hal, like the red apple touch and how you've used that same colour in the basket. Are you thinking about a highlight on the red apple? I think that would set it off nicely.

Do you always gesso the canvas board? I've got a couple that I would like to try.

I may do a little more work on the apples after the Senns set up a bit. I did rush the apples.

Yes I always add an extra coat of gesso if only put put a colored ground on the canvas. I don't like working on a white canvas.

For oil pastels, I put on a couple coats of gesso to fill in some of the texture of the canvas weave and a top coat of gesso and marble dust to give a little give a little extra grip for the oil pastels.

Pat Isaac
11-24-2009, 11:57 AM
Nice touch with the red apple, Hal, also like the basket weave....

Pat

halthepainter
11-24-2009, 12:00 PM
Thank you Pat.

asarkis
11-24-2009, 08:19 PM
Everybody did a great job in this forum, regardless of the skills in OP.
Here is my attempt to do something in it. I am just learning on my mistakes with this medium. The only thing I have figured out so far, you cannot cheat here and the work should be planned ahead, otherwise the whole painting is lost. Well, I am just exploring colors, the blending technique, and really very excited about this medium, because of the challenges it offers. The work seems to be messy slightly, but it is OK for me.

halthepainter
11-24-2009, 11:09 PM
Hi Anna, welcome to the forum.

You've made a very nice addition to this month's challenge.

rjmarchitect
11-24-2009, 11:10 PM
Have been away for a while, Hal the basket and apples are great, I thought of putting in a red one and chickened out, nice job. Anna as a newbie myself to OP's I did find them a bit difficult at first to work with. It makes a big difference as to which brand of OP's you are using and in what order you apply them. Keep up the good work and keep experimenting.
Russ

Pat Isaac
11-25-2009, 08:38 AM
Welcome to the forum, Anna....and that is a very nice first OP..

Pat

halthepainter
11-25-2009, 11:59 AM
Have been away for a while, Hal the basket and apples are great, I thought of putting in a red one and chickened out, nice job. Anna as a newbie myself to OP's I did find them a bit difficult at first to work with. It makes a big difference as to which brand of OP's you are using and in what order you apply them. Keep up the good work and keep experimenting.
Russ

Thank you Russ.

Anna, don't believe Russ. Go back in this thread and take a look at his apples. He's a consummate professional, just pretending to be a newbie. :thumbsup: :evil:

asarkis
11-25-2009, 09:48 PM
Hal,

I have checked Russ's work as you suggested, and it was the most outstanding one.
Russ,
Your work is fabulous, it is rich in colors, full of light and the apples seems so real. What brand of OPs do you use? Is there any link or book you would suggest to read? My painting was a complete guess and play with OPs.

truck driver
11-26-2009, 04:21 AM
Hal,

I have checked Russ's work as you suggested, and it was the most outstanding one.
Russ,
Your work is fabulous, it is rich in colors, full of light and the apples seems so real. What brand of OPs do you use? Is there any link or book you would suggest to read? My painting was a complete guess and play with OPs.



I'm not Russ, but well the three most popular brands are sennelier, holbien, and caran d'ache. Followed closely by Cray pas specialists. The best way to figure out oil pastels is to play with them and ask questions. The group around here is more than willing to help in any way they can.

RG

halthepainter
11-26-2009, 12:18 PM
Marion suggested highlights and Sandra, whom I've been secretly corresponding with via private messages suggested more defination. So I revisted the dreaded apples. I put in a little more modeling and a couple of highlights.

If it helps, I'll take all the credit, if it doesn't, remember Sandra and Marion made me do it. :D



http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Nov-2009/140488-Apples_Challenge_rev2_lores.jpg

Pat Isaac
11-26-2009, 12:38 PM
Nice additions, Hal.

Pat

marionh
11-27-2009, 02:53 AM
Hal, this has made a great difference. Love that red apple.

marionh
11-27-2009, 02:54 AM
Anna, looking good so far.
Welcome from one newbie to another.

hollyga
11-27-2009, 06:29 AM
I am working on the Japanese Garden but it is clear that I won't be able to finish it on time. :( I will at least post progress on Sunday evening.:wave:

Holly

halthepainter
11-27-2009, 08:57 AM
I am working on the Japanese Garden but it is clear that I won't be able to finish it on time. :( I will at least post progress on Sunday evening.:wave:

Holly

Holly it is OK to post your final result later, after the deadline. It is often done and a few of will continue to monitor the challenge for awhile after the deadline.

rjmarchitect
11-27-2009, 11:16 AM
Anna, RG mentioned the three leaders, I used Senneliers and Holbeins. As far as books are concerned, and I (as a "newbie", really Hal!) have learned so much more from the past threads and demos than the 2 books I have found.

There are some great demos by Pat, a really great encourager and teacher, just browse the site and you will learn a ton.

Everyone here is so great in their support and comments I truly appreciate you all.

Russ

oldrockchick
11-27-2009, 02:17 PM
Well i finally got my piece finished for this month - not sure if I'll have time to work on the water feature.

Apples (ref jocelynsart)
A4 Langton CP wc paper 300gsm
Gessoed both sides and Colourfix on workign surface.
OPs: DR Artists, CD Neos with a couple of Senns for glazing highlights
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Nov-2009/179312-OP_Nov_Apples_by_jocelynsart_-_finished.jpg

Thanks to Serena for the challenge this month.

halthepainter
11-27-2009, 02:40 PM
Nicely done Lin. Great basket too.

Pat Isaac
11-27-2009, 03:11 PM
I do like that basket, Lin with all the variety of color. Great job!

Pat

ElenaM
11-28-2009, 05:49 PM
THis is my first oil pastel challenge on wet canvas and here are my apples. Last night I admired all the works posted and I couldn't resist the temptation of trying those gorgeous apples.This is a drawing in Pentels on canson Mi-teintes white pad 8x11in.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Nov-2009/136516-apples.jpg

Pat Isaac
11-28-2009, 06:04 PM
Lovely, Elena....

Pat

ElenaM
11-28-2009, 06:13 PM
Thank you, Pat.

halthepainter
11-28-2009, 06:34 PM
Beautiful Job, Elena.

ElenaM
11-28-2009, 09:23 PM
thanks so much, Hal.

marionh
11-29-2009, 02:21 AM
Lin, Love your basket and the way you've captured the light on the yellow apple.

Elena, Nice work. I like how you've achieved the reflections and highlights.

marionh
11-29-2009, 02:33 AM
Here is my update of the Japanese garden.

I don't really like it, but quite pleased in one way as it gives me and idea of what can be done with OPs - one think I'm learning is not to be so heavy handed in the beginning. :lol:
20x30 cm on Fisher paper - I wish I had done this larger.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Nov-2009/42113-japanese_garden_800x600.jpg

C&Cs welcome

oldrockchick
11-29-2009, 07:09 AM
you have done a splendid job with the path and masonry and getting the angles right so that the path is nice and flat. Visually yoou can see it is 90 degrees to the walling of the water feature. Technically good drawing there. Nice shadows and reflestions and good work on the foutain thingy. Well done.

I had planned to do this one but it's been a busy time for me and I ran out of month.

btw - like the black cat on the edge of the pic :D:evil:

halthepainter
11-29-2009, 08:34 AM
Wonderful job Marion. You have done very well.

ElenaM
11-29-2009, 01:17 PM
this is a great piece, Marion. Love the water effects and reflections.

hollyga
11-29-2009, 03:41 PM
Great job, Marion. I really like that you reversed the picture - that gave it a very different look. The added ripples in the water at the made the reflections great!

I'm working on this piece to, but it will probably be next weekend before I finish it - I will post tonight, though, if I get enough of it finished to show.

Holly

Pat Isaac
11-29-2009, 04:05 PM
Looks great, Marion and I really like the reflections...

Pat

truck driver
11-29-2009, 08:20 PM
Marion suggested highlights and Sandra, whom I've been secretly corresponding with via private messages suggested more defination. So I revisted the dreaded apples. I put in a little more modeling and a couple of highlights.

If it helps, I'll take all the credit, if it doesn't, remember Sandra and Marion made me do it. :D



http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Nov-2009/140488-Apples_Challenge_rev2_lores.jpg


I like this version a whole lot better bro. The red apple really stands out, and is really well done.

RG

truck driver
11-29-2009, 08:21 PM
THis is my first oil pastel challenge on wet canvas and here are my apples. Last night I admired all the works posted and I couldn't resist the temptation of trying those gorgeous apples.This is a drawing in Pentels on canson Mi-teintes white pad 8x11in.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Nov-2009/136516-apples.jpg


Great work Elana

truck driver
11-29-2009, 08:22 PM
Well i finally got my piece finished for this month - not sure if I'll have time to work on the water feature.

Apples (ref jocelynsart)
A4 Langton CP wc paper 300gsm
Gessoed both sides and Colourfix on workign surface.
OPs: DR Artists, CD Neos with a couple of Senns for glazing highlights
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Nov-2009/179312-OP_Nov_Apples_by_jocelynsart_-_finished.jpg

Thanks to Serena for the challenge this month.

I really like the bronze look you have achieved, great work
RG

truck driver
11-29-2009, 08:24 PM
Here is my update of the Japanese garden.

I don't really like it, but quite pleased in one way as it gives me and idea of what can be done with OPs - one think I'm learning is not to be so heavy handed in the beginning. :lol:
20x30 cm on Fisher paper - I wish I had done this larger.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Nov-2009/42113-japanese_garden_800x600.jpg

C&Cs welcome


I'm rather light handed all the way through, I build values through layers, not pressure. You have done well with this. Looking forward to more great work from you.

RG

truck driver
11-29-2009, 08:30 PM
Everybody did a great job in this forum, regardless of the skills in OP.
Here is my attempt to do something in it. I am just learning on my mistakes with this medium. The only thing I have figured out so far, you cannot cheat here and the work should be planned ahead, otherwise the whole painting is lost. Well, I am just exploring colors, the blending technique, and really very excited about this medium, because of the challenges it offers. The work seems to be messy slightly, but it is OK for me.

Great work, and it does help to at least have a plan when you start, and of course you can cheat. the only problem is figuring out how to cheat. :) any kind of image painted or drawn on a piece of paper is nothing but a lie, artists are full of trickery and deciet, as they lie to the eye, to tell it that it see's something that isnt there, and that is the wonder of art.

RG

serenasocean
11-29-2009, 08:31 PM
Hello!

Sorry to be MIA throughout the holiday, but Happy Thanksgiving everyone :)

I love the red apple in the center, Hal, and the reflections you added definitely work.

Marion, great work! I love the reflection of the japanese statue in the water.

Elena, I really like the smooth texture you've acheived in the apples. Nice :)

Lin, good detail on the apples and basket. I especially like the stems and the shadowing around them.

:)

halthepainter
11-29-2009, 09:01 PM
RG, Serena, thanks for the nice feedback.

RG check out my aviation photos in our RIL.

VladK
11-29-2009, 09:37 PM
Hal, the red one is really something:thumbsup:, not only it stands out it's also balanced by a basket. Looks great together:clap: great vision you have:music:

Lin, your final version is superb:thumbsup:
Marion, love your fountain reflection:thumbsup:
Elena, apples are well done:thumbsup:

This was a nice challenge. And I'm proud to be part of it:cat:

halthepainter
11-29-2009, 09:42 PM
Thank you Vlad.

Thank you Serena for the challenges. I hate doing apples but it was a good learning experience for me.

marionh
11-30-2009, 04:58 AM
Thanks everyone for your kind comments on my Japanese garden.

Lin - great that you noticed the path. I worked hard on that to get it 'flat'.

Thanks Serena for hosting. I'm looking forward to next month's challenge.

hollyga
12-06-2009, 05:08 PM
Finally - but, late, as usual! THis is 9 x 12 on canvas board. And, thanks Marion, for the info on the free re-sizer software - it seems to work great!!

Holly

Pat Isaac
12-06-2009, 05:22 PM
Very nice, Holly. I love the soft dreamy feeling of this painting.

Pat

halthepainter
12-06-2009, 05:47 PM
Well done Holly. Glad you finally got it in.

hollyga
12-06-2009, 07:48 PM
Thanks Pat & Hal. I really hurried with this one to finish it today - I had a lot done already but not as much as I had hoped. It's a tad bit too squishy to do any more on it, but there are a few things I want to touch up before I call it done. Thanks again.

Holly

SammyH
12-06-2009, 07:50 PM
Holly,
Lovely Japanese garden. Nice colors and textures.

halthepainter
12-06-2009, 08:08 PM
It's a lovely painting Holly. I'm going to make a suggestion for future paintings. It's not a criticism but just a matter of style.

Rather than having you light source face on to the painting, if you make it come from either the right or left you can lay in some shadows that can make your center of interest and rocks, etc... pop. It's just an idea.

hollyga
12-07-2009, 06:35 AM
Thanks Sammy!

Hal - I agree totally - about half way through the folliage and rocks, I realized that I didn't really have a defined light source and then couldn't figure out how to fix it - - so I just finished it anyway! - - LOL -- Your suggestions are always a help and a learning tool for me. Thanks for your attention.

The Christmas season is always our busiest and most hectic time of the year at the post office and in my new position, I am totally overwhelmed. I'm not sure if I will have the time or energy to work on the December challenge but I'm still working on the water lily.

Holly