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TheBaron
11-01-2009, 11:21 AM
Hi all,this the start of a new monthly "Oils" sub-forum MIO(Masters In Oil),based around not so well known "Old Masters".

A little bit of info first on what its all about...
Basically its to do with head&shoulders and figure,one month it will be head&shoulders the next it will be a figure or two in a setting ie a sort of landscape with a figure or two in the landscape,room,city,village,beach ect.

This by no means is supposed to reflect on a portrait scenario which is why WC has a sole forum for portraits,it is generally to reflect on "Old Masters" that you probably would not know or heard of and its to give some "Oils" artist a kick start to relieve them of that blank canvas syndrome :-) each and everyone of us are welcome to take part,novice or experienced oil painters.

What size and ground you paint on is to your own requirements and would be appreciated with some WIP steps and info on what paint brands and mediums you used to achieve the paintings outcome.

You're not committed to do the whole painting when it comes to the figure/s subject ie you can isolate a part of it so long as one figures is present and either paint it tit for tat or in the style you're accustomed to.

Don't be shy to show your work because you will not get anywhere keeping your work hidden :-)

All are welcome to pass comment and helping out those who submit their work if you would care to do so as it would be appreciated.

Have fun/enjoy and above all its a learning curve and I do hope to please with the subjects I submit each month :-) and one final comment...get that drawing down on the canvas as good as you can muster as its the backbone for the grand finale. :-)


I had a good think and decided to add a William Bouguereau composition and one not so well known artist each month for a few months,since there's quite a number of Bouguereau paintings it will give us a choice.



Bouguereau's...
Modesty
http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/1/7938.jpg

Study of the Head of a Blonde Woman
http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/1/7981.jpg


And....
http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/1/8719.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Nov-2009/107353-Modestie.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Nov-2009/107353-7981.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Nov-2009/107353-Godward_Classical_Beauty_cropped.jpg

Marigold
11-01-2009, 12:20 PM
The third painting - who is the artist?

I like the Bouguereau blond girl head study. I might give her a try later this month.

Does anybody know more about how Bougereau achieved his skin tones?


Susanne

TheBaron
11-01-2009, 12:36 PM
How do Susanne,sorry forgot to name the Atrist...anyway its...


John William Godward

Bigger photo here...

http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=13122

As it happens some sites have smaller photos and vice versa,you'll just have to search google for higher definition should you require that?

bettythecat
11-01-2009, 01:29 PM
Good choice's , no 2 is my fav , gave up on last month's it just got to frustrating :mad:

stapeliad
11-01-2009, 03:01 PM
I also like number 2. Wasn't planning on doing the MIO this month, but that second one is really nice.

lovin art
11-01-2009, 03:39 PM
Thanks for hosting and Nice choice's George:) , I'm going to sit back and watch this month, as I'm still catching up with other MIOs I am wanting to finish, but of course if i was doing one the last 2 would be hard to pick from....cant wait to see everyone's work...:D

Sandra.

TheBaron
11-01-2009, 11:25 PM
Had a feeling ya'll would go for the simpler Bougy:D bearing in mind ya can always crop the first one at the head and shoulders and paint the head larger?

I've gone for the second one myself.

Bought a secondhand office chair with arm rest on it and swivel base,my back over the last few weeks has been giving me jip and has locked up once over the weeks(very painful if you have had this?) so what I'm gonna do is build an easel that I can fit/adapt to the arm rest? of the chair so that I can paint directly from the chair as its backrest is very comfy for my back,this easel will be for small canvas only and it will incorporate a small table to one side so to put the pallete and medium on. :)

I'be done the drawing will start to paint it as soon as i've made this easel.

kadon
11-01-2009, 11:35 PM
Really nice selection George. Kathy

TheBaron
11-02-2009, 01:10 AM
The third painting - who is the artist?

I like the Bouguereau blond girl head study. I might give her a try later this month.

Does anybody know more about how Bougereau achieved his skin tones?


Susanne

JL has a DVD that can be bought explaining and showing his technique? it can be rented from smartflix or bought on her home page.
http://smartflix.com/store/video/839/Le-Gouter-The-Snack

She's very good when it comes to being videoed at the easel and explains well.

trevors
11-02-2009, 04:14 AM
I am considering number two as all that cloth in the other two would drive me more insane than I already am!
I am glad you are going to participate George so get that easel made pronto:D

TheBaron
11-02-2009, 05:02 AM
I'm going to sit back and watch this month, as I'm still catching up with other MIOs I am wanting to finish.
Sandra.

Have you ever tried the Alla Prima techinque Sandra? I don't know how much time you spend on one session each time? but once you get into Alla Prima before you know it you have the face virtually painted in an hour and can come back to it the day after and finish it off,although AP is supposed to be in one session:D but I worked it out Glazing takes longer to do because of the waiting game for oils to dry on each layer.

Give it a go some time if you have never tried AP and see ow you measure up on it.

lovin art
11-02-2009, 05:49 AM
Hi George, i guess i have been abit slow with my catch-up work, due to my health, and the Alla Prima techinque that you have mentioned sounds pretty cool i have heard of this and maybe i should give it a go, i will try it with the second bougy just hope it dosen't turn out looking like a pile of mud:lol: well nothing ventured nothing gained hay, this does sound like fun splashing paint on in one sitting.....thanks George:)

Sandra.

dcorc
11-02-2009, 06:51 AM
Does anybody know more about how Bougereau achieved his skin tones?

Hi Susanne - I hope people won't mind if I repeat the info I posted back in the Sept MIO thread, as you may find it helpful:

Have a read of this 4 page article at ARC (it starts with a very general set of opinions, but if you stick with it, it starts getting to the point about WB's actual process about 2/3rds of the way down page 1):

http://www.artrenewal.org/museum/b/Bouguereau_William/mark_walker1.asp
http://www.artrenewal.org/museum/b/Bouguereau_William/mark_walker2.asp
http://www.artrenewal.org/museum/b/Bouguereau_William/mark_walker3.asp
http://www.artrenewal.org/museum/b/Bouguereau_William/mark_walker4.asp


Bouguereau, in common with many who had academic training in the tradition of JL David, is known to have done an ebauche underpainting. (This is one in which the paint is roughed-in, accurate to the drawing, but essentially to get a first layer of colour in, on which to then apply a top-painting.

JL David's "M Recamier":

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Nov-2009/30792-DavidMRecamier.jpg

is an unfinished painting abandoned at the ebauche stage (which is why it has that blotchy pastel-sketch type appearance!).

Tony Ryder's demo pages here:
http://www.tonyryder.com/demo/index.htm
show - in what he calls the "wash-in" and "form painting" stages what are essentially an ebauche and finis approach - though, as in common with many of the new "classical realist" painters, he's handling a little more "tightly" and "finished" than is often seen in 18th & 19thC work, which is often "looser" in execution, outside of focal areas such as faces and hands, than people often realise, if they've only seen small reproduced images.

Also - as discussed by (the, alas, late) Mark Walker, in the link I quote above, it was pretty standard practice among 19thC academic painters to do preparatory thumbnail-design sketches (perhaps as pencil drawings), small colour-studies, and detailed drawings (pencil, chalk, charcoal) of challenging areas of the painting - faces, hands, draperies, complex details.

These sorts of preparations mean that by the time the artist came to paint the actual painting, they had a very clear idea of how they were going to tackle it - and in particular had "rehearsed" features such as face and hands - this, I think, shouldn't be underrated, as contributing to the confidence and economy of brushwork seen.

Paint was applied relatively thinly, in layers, with a few days drying time between layers - its neither a "glazing" technique, nor an "alla-prima" technique, but something which sort of sits between the two, where semi-opaque "veils" or velaturas of paint may be used to modify and reinforce the preceding layer. As the painting is carried out in two or three passes, a month ought to be quite adequate to get the painting finished, it's not a slow technique, really. (WB used siccatives - dryers - to speed things along - but most commercial paint now includes driers anyway).


Dave

Marigold
11-02-2009, 11:54 AM
Hi Dave,

very good information, thank you! I guess you long-standing WC members must get tired sometimes of re-posting the same information over and over for us newbies, but it is appreciated!

The David example is particularly interesting - I knew the painting, and would never have guessed it was unfinished. Only the background might suggest thiat, maybe, but the figure is perfect!

Now I am too much of a beginner to distinguish between the various types of underpainting, ebauche, grisaille, what else... but I get the general idea.

Susanne

artbabe21
11-02-2009, 11:00 PM
George.....these are all gorgeous & worthy paintings to attempt. Thanks for all you do to set this up each month!! :)

TheBaron
11-03-2009, 02:29 AM
Sandra,I just think that its worthwhile trying to achieve the Alla Prima method and halve the time or less, it takes on the glazing side.
Sure glazing has its merit in the painting in respect to depth and colour.

Trevor,Can't work outside with my power tools as you know what the weather is like over here at present :D so its carry on with the painting regardless.

Cath,Your welcome and its no bother really.:wave:

TheBaron
11-03-2009, 08:21 PM
Taps fingers on desk...any progresses yet? :D

trevors
11-04-2009, 04:53 AM
Taps fingers on desk...any progresses yet? :D

Stop that tapping George its very irritating:rolleyes:

Grey toned canvas pencil sketch ( projected) lightened halo effect all round head and picked out in paint the main features 30 x40 cms
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Nov-2009/105971-blondie1.jpg

teabug
11-04-2009, 11:46 AM
Thanks George for setting up MIO Nov.
i'm quite new to WC and hv never joined MIO before.

i just get started on a 11"x14" canvas, "Study of the Head of a Blonde Woman".

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Nov-2009/200695-IMG_6287s.JPG
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Nov-2009/200695-IMG_6289s.JPG

I hope i can complete it.... :evil: appreciate for any CC so that i can improve.

lovin art
11-04-2009, 03:42 PM
Trevor, nice start to your lady, Im waiting for my canvas to dry.....:crying:
Teabug welcome to MIOS your off to a cracking start there and Im sure you'll finish in no time...

Sandra

Dan-007
11-04-2009, 06:44 PM
why are the pics so small?

Dan-007
11-04-2009, 06:45 PM
is this a competition?

TheBaron
11-04-2009, 07:18 PM
why are the pics so small? As it happens some sites have smaller photos and vice versa,you'll just have to search google for higher definition should you require that?

There are linksav above the photos which take you to their original size,some have to be clicked on to enlarge?

is this a competition?
No, its a sort of monthly practice session to help anyone to better their painting skills,also to ask questions and obtain help along the way.

bettythecat
11-04-2009, 07:20 PM
Trevors , nice start :thumbsup:

Teabug , also good start , like your drawing:thumbsup:

Sandra , i'm expecting good things

C'MON george where's yours:D

Dan , no it not a comp just a good way of understanding how the masters were painted by having a go yourself , are you going to have a go?

bettythecat
11-04-2009, 07:22 PM
George just explained it better:o

TheBaron
11-04-2009, 07:36 PM
Thats a good start there Trevor.

How do Teabug,welcome to WC and the MIO...glad you can take part and can't wait to see some colour applied to this.

Ah, I'm faster than you lot Leigh so I can paint it at my leisure:evil: no what it is Leigh I painted a whitish thinned ground on the face and neck and its become slippery and any other painted applied on top is not taking,can't understand this as its a mix of Flake white and Red oxide.

I'm thinking its the Red Oxide? as this is the first time I've used this so I'll wipe it of and start afresh.

Dan-007
11-04-2009, 07:37 PM
Trevors , nice start :thumbsup:

Teabug , also good start , like your drawing:thumbsup:

Sandra , i'm expecting good things

C'MON george where's yours:D

Dan , no it not a comp just a good way of understanding how the masters were painted by having a go yourself , are you going to have a go?

yes i will have a go....

bettythecat
11-04-2009, 07:55 PM
I have had that happen , I recken it's the White , mine changes like the wind , I tend to leave most whites till last now when I can, I use the canvas White to make do anyway blonde study just layer colours on a White canvas?

stapeliad
11-04-2009, 11:19 PM
Wow, looking great everyone! I'm definitely bowing out this month but will still follow with interest.
:)

TheBaron
11-04-2009, 11:41 PM
I'm definitely bowing out this month but will still follow with interest.
:)

Does Interest paint? :p:D

stapeliad
11-04-2009, 11:43 PM
LOL yes it does! I'm focusing on some of my own work this month. The MIOs have been great...just the jumpstart I needed to get moving again.

Plus I still have to finish Irene.

lovin art
11-05-2009, 12:12 AM
George, you crack me up:lol: your the best....

Sandra

TheBaron
11-05-2009, 12:21 AM
So I'm painting away there and something struck me about the pose of this "Study of the Head of a Blonde Woman" by Bougy...its virtually the same one here but with a different model.

http://videos.artistdaily.com/video/Lili-1
http://videos.artistdaily.com/video/Lili-2
http://videos.artistdaily.com/video/Lili-3
http://videos.artistdaily.com/video/Lili-4
http://videos.artistdaily.com/video/Lili-5
http://videos.artistdaily.com/video/Lili-6
http://videos.artistdaily.com/video/Lili-7

TheBaron
11-05-2009, 12:30 AM
Sandra,my other half thinks I'm crackers...I keep asking her why's she still with me? :evil:

lovin art
11-05-2009, 01:52 AM
Sandra,my other half thinks I'm crackers...I keep asking her why's she still with me? :evil:

Cause I'm sure she loves you George:heart: !, and yes your right the pose on Johnnie's is very similar to bougy's, maybe its a pose that is common for head studies....i guess

Sandra.

TheBaron
11-05-2009, 07:00 AM
Cause I'm sure she loves you George:heart:
Sandra.
Yes,its probably that...then again she's seen my bank statement. :evil:

Nothing special here at the mo been experimenting here and there...time to get it painted properly now...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Nov-2009/107353-Picture_334.jpg

mawdwyn
11-05-2009, 06:00 PM
Don't know if I'll be able to do this month's MIO, I'm still working on "Irene" :p Just wanted to pop in and see what's going on...

Looking forward to seeing everyone's progress,

Callie :wave:

MSegev
11-06-2009, 10:38 AM
George, how in the world did you discover Bouguereau's Blond Girl's Head Study? I've never seen it before and it is gorgeous!
I painted a textured sketch of it earlier today.
30cm x 40cm on dark toned canvas.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Nov-2009/178320-bouguereau_study_blond_girl_test.jpg

Is the image sharp enough? I shot it with self-timer, following your advice.

TheBaron
11-06-2009, 11:10 AM
George, how in the world did you discover Bouguereau's Blond Girl's Head Study? I've never seen it before and it is gorgeous!
I painted a textured sketch of it earlier today.
30cm x 40cm on dark toned canvas.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Nov-2009/178320-bouguereau_study_blond_girl_test.jpg

Is the image sharp enough? I shot it with self-timer, following your advice.

Go away mary this is for the less fortunate painters not the experianced. :D

I only supply thee best here Mary,have you considered going to the opticians? out of focus submission,can't find Bourgy head studies..:wink2:

Yes it spot on now and quite clear,good to know you can work the camera.:D

TheBaron
11-06-2009, 11:19 AM
I have to say...

I'm wasting my painting skill,reason...I'm working with poor quality oils(Daler Rowney/Georgian),so in the new year(providing I make it?) gonna get me some real beefed oils.

I have to add two layers with some colours as they're so opaque and thin on the ground with pigment.

:(

trevors
11-06-2009, 01:11 PM
Thats a lovely job Mary how long did that take you ?
George I know georgian aren't the top of the range but I always thought they were decent ( in my limited experience ) but I always buy W&N artists quality now although I still have a few georgian on my shelf;)

TheBaron
11-06-2009, 01:20 PM
I bought them in bulk Trevor at 3.50 per 255ml and 1.25 per 75ml.

The cheapest I've seen them on the net is 6.99

trevors
11-06-2009, 01:38 PM
At those prices George you can afford to slap it on thick :wave:

lovin art
11-06-2009, 06:28 PM
Wow Mary, that is a beautiful study of her, I'm also curious how long did this take you, as i'm up for a quick study of her also Alla Prima as they say, job well done...

Sandra.

teabug
11-06-2009, 10:41 PM
Mary, your work is fascinating! Same as Sandra I also want to know how long it takes :)

MSegev
11-07-2009, 12:08 AM
George, honestly, it never occurred to me to look for Bouguereau's (head or other) studies, and funny you should mention opticians, I do need new glasses.
Trevor, Sandra and Teabug - sorry I didn't time it! I had three breaks in between with other stuff, so I would say in net time it took me about 4 hours.

TheBaron
11-07-2009, 03:50 AM
Wow Mary, that is a beautiful study of her, I'm also curious how long did this take you, as i'm up for a quick study of her also Alla Prima as they say, job well done...

Sandra.

The thing about Alla Prima is not to be scared of laying the paint next to other colours ie you don't want to upset that fine line you have just made,the paint can be adjusted later or a couple of hours after the smudge and any detailing takes place well after the painting is near it completion stage.

If you'd like to attempt Alla Prima? don't give up at the first failure if it happens? and don't be scared to slap the paint on,try and get the colour right first or near to its shade which then can be corrected on the canvas if it doesn't look right.

TheBaron
11-07-2009, 04:03 AM
George, honestly, it never occurred to me to look for Bouguereau's (head or other) studies

I see you painted a Boury's(Chilly Girl) on your Blog,I was going to submit this further down the line in the MIO's but on closer inspection it started to dawn on me that there was something wrong with the composition ie looking at it gave the impression this was a womans head attached to a childs body.

So I ommited this from the MIO on those finds,Bourgy was a bit sloppy at times when it came to some parts of his figure studies.

TheBaron
11-07-2009, 06:58 AM
Bourgy made some female nude studies and was thinking of submitting some? do you obejct to this kind of study by Bourgy being in the MIO?

Ta

trevors
11-07-2009, 12:18 PM
Bourgy made some female nude studies and was thinking of submitting some? do you obejct to this kind of study by Bourgy being in the MIO?

Ta

I don't object as I spend most of my time in the figure forum and was a guide and later moderator for a short while :cool:

Georg J.P. Wowk
11-07-2009, 02:03 PM
Good Afternoon..!!

I did not think that I would participate this month but the longer I looked at the Blonde the more intriging she became. I also Though that I would give Mona a go.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Nov-2009/152088-jaro-Nov-7-2009-1.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Nov-2009/152088-jaro-Nov-5-2009-1.jpg

The blonde is driving me crazy as I am not that good at color mixing.

TheBaron
11-07-2009, 07:01 PM
How do Jaro
If your not good at mixing fleshtones then may I refer you to the "Johnnie Liliedahl" vids I've posted in this MIO,if you watch her video she explains/shows how to mix flesh tones and gives the paints on her pallete to achieve them.

Post 33 is were the vids reside.

A little bit of practice using her method will have you understanding them a tad better.

Dan-007
11-07-2009, 11:40 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Nov-2009/90087-girl_b.jpg started this tonight little less than 4 hours

TheBaron
11-08-2009, 12:39 AM
Nice one Dan,is it finished? what size and method of painting?

lovin art
11-08-2009, 06:34 AM
Hi Everyone, firstly nice and very fast work there Dan, well i'm done with mine, i took your advice George, and did this in one sitting, mined you it took me 6 hours in total which i not sure if thats good or should i be quicker, my first time at it, but i did have fun having a go at Alla Prima, its lots of fun. let me know what you think, sorry about the shine but its wet and i took the pic inside at night, bty this looks much nicer in person.......:D

Sandra.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Nov-2009/186639-DSCN3372.JPG

Dan-007
11-08-2009, 10:47 AM
Nice one Dan,is it finished? what size and method of painting?


oh its far from finished there are tons of mistakes....this is the underpainting really but a color underpainring....its oil on wood and its 10" x 10"

Georg J.P. Wowk
11-08-2009, 02:30 PM
Good Afternoon..!!

Thanks George for the lead it well help me greatly.

I can not believe how good you all are and fast.

I am giving Modestie a try as well.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Nov-2009/152088-jaro-Nov-8-2009-1.jpg

Dan-007
11-08-2009, 04:18 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Nov-2009/90087-girl_b2.jpg day 2

TheBaron
11-09-2009, 04:29 AM
Sandra it a good attempt in Alla Prima.

Alla Prima doesn't mean you have to finish it in one setting although thats its meaning,so long as the time the paint is still wet we can come back to it to clean up any discrepencies or areas we are not pleased with.

I do feel that there is a need to do this on yours Sandra ie nose,mouth,eyes.
I'm only saying this to make you realise that its best to stand back from our paintings and compare with the source for a short while and say to ourselves "Am I happy with it"? its there but as it stands you have put a few years on the study/girl.

Tweaking is the final stage of the painting and it is needed here,don't let what I say dishearten you as its exactly what I say to myself on my own paintings.

lovin art
11-09-2009, 06:09 AM
Hi George, i value your imput:D , and please dont worry about disheartening me your just saying your opinion, I understand what your talking about, i thought alla prima meant the messey look close-up, but looks more nicer from a distance and i guess this could be more played with but to tell you the truth i quite like it the way it is, i have taken a better photo of it to show you what it looks like without the shine. let me know what you think....:)

Sandra.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Nov-2009/186639-DSCN3379.JPG

TheBaron
11-09-2009, 10:29 AM
Well if you're happy with it Sandra then thats fine. :thumbsup:

Not been on this till now,spending some time around the lips and viewers right side of the face....

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Nov-2009/107353-Picture_345.jpg

lovin art
11-09-2009, 03:54 PM
Thanks George, i might do another softer version of her if i get time this month, yours is looking great i love how you do eyes George your very good at them:wink2:

Sandra

TheBaron
11-09-2009, 04:27 PM
I guess the paints are letting me down though,Sandra.

Time to go to bed...I've just slipped with the Mahl Stick and splattered her nose with red paint that was supposed to adorn her lips.

Arrrrgh!

lovin art
11-09-2009, 04:44 PM
I've never used a mahl stick how do you find them? other then your currant accident:eek: which im sorry to here of, its a bugger when paint gets where it shouldn't be...

Sandra.

TheBaron
11-10-2009, 12:45 AM
I've never used a mahl stick how do you find them?
Sandra.

I usually stand it in the same corner so I know where I put it.:evil:

I find it very good for putting paint where it normally should go(apart from the slippage recently) particulary when you're trying to paint when the area is still wet,its also relax's the nerves and paint those eye's you're on about.:)

Its just a stick of 3/4 dowling wood, bought from the local wood shop.

Dan-007
11-10-2009, 02:22 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Nov-2009/90087-girl_m.jpg here is where i am at....not happy...i see some of the mistakes though

TheBaron
11-10-2009, 02:56 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uMwLpocRhc (http://search.utorrent.com/search.php?q=Johnnie%20Liliedahl&e=http%3a%2f%2fgoogle.com%2fsearch%3fq%3d&u=1)

TruEnuff
11-10-2009, 08:45 PM
Dan,
I think it's a worthy effort. I really like the toned down background....very effective. It complements the subject rather than competes with it. If you set it aside for a day or two, the problem areas will be more obvious to you. One more session should be enough.....nice work.

Sandra,
Mahl sticks usually have a small leather bag at the end for resting on the canvas. I have one that has a rubber tip that seems to work also. That particular one is aluminum and screws together like a pool cue, making it portable with plein air equipment. You can order them from the mail order art suppliers. And by the way, your portrait has also turned out well, mahl stick or not!

Keep Painting! :wave:

lovin art
11-10-2009, 10:23 PM
Hi Bruce, wheres your effort this month!!!:D , thanks for the info i will have to get the hubby to make me one...and thanks for liking my effort....

Dan, the toned down background is much nicer, she looks lovely...........:thumbsup:

Sandra.

TruEnuff
11-11-2009, 12:59 AM
Sandra.....funny you should ask! I am sorely tempted by that incredible John Godward painting. I've even gone so far as to print out an 8 x 10 of it....just in case. It's really lovely, isn't it?

And here's a link to a pretty good article on how to make a mahl stick....
http://lindateachesart.typepad.com/linda_teaches_art/2005/12/mahl_stick_make.html

Keep Painting! :wave:

KansasBrad
11-11-2009, 04:08 AM
And here's a link to a pretty good article on how to make a mahl stick....

If one's located in Kansas, a curtain rod works.

KB

lovin art
11-11-2009, 04:51 AM
Sandra.....funny you should ask! I am sorely tempted by that incredible John Godward painting. I've even gone so far as to print out an 8 x 10 of it....just in case. It's really lovely, isn't it?

Keep Painting! :wave:

Bruce, Aren't they just divine, wouldn't it be nice to have a go, they just look so detailed and beautiful, and thanks for the link Bruce thats a big help:thumbsup:

Sandra

trevors
11-11-2009, 05:27 AM
Sorry I haven't had time to comment on everybody's work but I have been watching and they are all coming along lovely! Here is my effort so far maybe its finished maybe not ?
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Nov-2009/105971-blondie3.jpg

Marigold
11-11-2009, 06:38 AM
trevor and Dan:
I notice both of you used very strong red around her eyes - the same red as for the lips, or almost. Looks like she's been crying a lot... I am not sure but I think while there IS a similar red as in the lips, there should still be a difference in saturation, no?

Good work otherwise, Dan i like the softness in yours, trevor you made her mouth larger to me this makes her look friendlier, more approachable than Bouguereau's girl.

Susanne

TheBaron
11-11-2009, 08:10 AM
I've stated here and elsewhere on WC that Bourgy was sloppy with his figuritive and portraits,well...

By enlarging the "Head Study" we can see that the nose center above the lips is crooked and swings to the veiwers left.
:evil:

trevors
11-11-2009, 11:43 AM
I noticed that George he gave the girl in natures mirror a spot on her eye as well maybe he didn't think of women as being that perfect?
Susanne I cannot disagree with what you say but she has red eyes in the original I also think that the camera has picked up on the red as it isn't so bold in the painting.

TheBaron
11-11-2009, 12:02 PM
How do all.

Each and everyones Monitor will display different values and contrast/brightness and so will therefore decrease/increase the colours to that of the each of your/our submissions.

lovin art
11-11-2009, 03:27 PM
I've stated here and elsewhere on WC that Bourgy was sloppy with his figuritive and portraits,well...

By enlarging the "Head Study" we can see that the nose center above the lips is crooked and swings to the veiwers left.
:evil:

Hi George, you make a good point, so is that why i think my features are off abit in my copy as i enlarged and then used that as my referance, im still going to leave it as is but i think i may have another go at her:rolleyes: :evil: this painting's getting to meeeeeeeeeee.....

Sandra.

TheBaron
11-11-2009, 03:54 PM
How Do Sandra...

Nah,it just means I have a sharp eye and can see these things...don't ever come to an art Gallery with me. :evil::)

lovin art
11-11-2009, 04:40 PM
I would think having a sharp eye is a good thing where painting is concerned, so it would be ok to veiw at a gallery with you as you would see alot more than say me, the student who still has alot to learn.....:D

Sandra.

Dan-007
11-12-2009, 01:47 AM
i still see a few problems did another session 4 in totalhttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Nov-2009/90087-girlm2k.jpg

TruEnuff
11-13-2009, 11:33 AM
Dan,
I think it's done! You've done a nice job with a difficult subject. The skin tones in the original painting look odd to me...almost unhealthy...and you have made them a bit more conventional. I like what you've done very much. Good work!

Keep Painting! :wave:

TruEnuff
11-13-2009, 08:29 PM
I decided to give the William Godward painting a try. What an exquiste painting. Just look at the fabric of the lady's gown and the tapistry behind her. Wow.

I decided to crop it to just a head and shoulders view to try to have a fighting chance. I'm using a 16" x 12" linen on board canvas. It has an oil primer gesso. Here's the first evening's effort. I sketched directly using a small brush. I didn't tone the canvas. Then I blocked in the major color areas without too much detail. I spent a little more time on the head, but kept the colors to a minimum. Finally, to end the session, I added a little detail to the background, head and hair. Next session tonight or tomorrow with any luck.

Keep Paining! :wave:

lovin art
11-14-2009, 04:40 PM
Bruce, this is wonderful, she must of got to you hay! love the colour in this its lively and vibrant...great start...Dan yours is wonderful too a great effort....

Sandra

TruEnuff
11-15-2009, 12:08 AM
Hi Sandra! You're right, she got me! I couldn't resist.

Here's the end of another session. I mostly worked on the background because some of the work on the face was still wet from the last session, and I kept picking up the under layer. I decided I needed to give it some more time. I notice as the weather cools, the drying time increases considerably.

Here's where I am this evening.

Keep Painting! :wave:

kadon
11-15-2009, 01:56 AM
That's beautiful Bruce. Love it! You seem to 'see' a lot of edges etc. that ar not visible in the reference. Kathy

kadon
11-15-2009, 02:29 AM
So I'm painting away there and something struck me about the pose of this "Study of the Head of a Blonde Woman" by Bougy...its virtually the same one here but with a different model.

http://videos.artistdaily.com/video/Lili-1
http://videos.artistdaily.com/video/Lili-2
http://videos.artistdaily.com/video/Lili-3
http://videos.artistdaily.com/video/Lili-4
http://videos.artistdaily.com/video/Lili-5
http://videos.artistdaily.com/video/Lili-6
http://videos.artistdaily.com/video/Lili-7

These are great videos George.....thanks. Kathy

TheBaron
11-15-2009, 05:17 AM
You're welcome Kath.

I can recommend by the same artist...

Illuminations series 1&2 and Light and Shadows

She explains well and shows her pallette's colours,much to the dissapointment of quite a few established artist.

TruEnuff
11-18-2009, 10:32 AM
Hi Kathy,
Thanks for the kind comments. I've enjoyed tackling this particular Bouguereau. I want to try some glazing on this one...something I don't do much of....as soon as it drys thoroughly. I'm having to relearn some things because painting on oil primed linen is so much different than the acrylic primed cotton duck I've painted on for years. I'm growing to like the new (to me) surface, but it is going to take some time to get used to it.

Keep painting! :wave:

Georg J.P. Wowk
11-18-2009, 10:52 AM
Good Morning..!!

Have been working on the blonde for some time now, messed up the eyes,nose and mouth other than that the background is comming along just fine.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Nov-2009/152088-jaro-Nov-14-2009-1.jpg

lovin art
11-18-2009, 06:17 PM
Georg, i think you to hard on yourself there, this is a very good effort the nose i think is very well done i found for me that to be very hard to do, and yes the background is lovely and soft.....

Sandra

Marigold
11-19-2009, 02:26 AM
Hi,

I finally did the underpainting today. Get the feeling that November will not have enough days to allow me to finish. I have no idea what I am doing. Hope the monochrome underpainting will help with the color stage.

Susanne

lovin art
11-19-2009, 03:13 AM
Hi Susanne, this is looking good, and i think you will find that doing the base work meaning monochrome is a good guidence for the colour stage, can't wait to see what she looks like with colour!

Sandra

TheBaron
11-19-2009, 12:30 PM
Hi all
I think this Nov MIO should be extended to Dec as this is the run up to the holiday period and new year and people will be busy.

So what do you think?

Georg J.P. Wowk
11-19-2009, 03:11 PM
Good Afternoon..!!

This is my latest effort at Modestie.
It is 24 X 36

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Nov-2009/152088-jaro-Nov-19-2009-1.jpg

Dan-007
11-19-2009, 03:15 PM
Good Morning..!!

Have been working on the blonde for some time now, messed up the eyes,nose and mouth other than that the background is comming along just fine.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Nov-2009/152088-jaro-Nov-14-2009-1.jpg

i think it looks great!

bettythecat
11-19-2009, 04:52 PM
Sounds good george as i want to have a go but got to finish one first :D

TheBaron
11-20-2009, 02:33 AM
Sounds good george as i want to have a go but got to finish one first :D

Yes I think its the most logical thing to do as Dec is a busy period for all of us Leigh.

Sorry all but this months MIO is extended to Dec as well:p:)

Thanks for being here:thumbsup:

Georg J.P. Wowk
11-25-2009, 06:36 PM
Good Afternoon..!!

Still working on the Months stuff.. 24 X36
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Nov-2009/152088-jaro-Nov-25-2009-1.jpg

TruEnuff
11-25-2009, 10:51 PM
I've done a little more work, including some glazes on the background, hair and even a little on the face. Now I think it's time to call it quits on this month's effort. I've really enjoyed attempting this masterwork by John William Godward. What a magnificent painting.

My copy is oil on a 16" x 12" linen panel. Most of the oils are Utrecht. The glazes were done with Utrecht Glazing Medium. WIP pictures were posted earlier in this thread.

I've enjoyed watching everyone try to capture the essence of these masters. Thanks to TheBaron for his work in posting the paintings, links and historical information.

Keep Painting! :wave:
Bruce

kadon
11-26-2009, 12:21 AM
Looking really good Jaro....look forward to the completed work.
Bruce, that is really lovely. Kathy

lovin art
11-26-2009, 06:02 AM
Very lovely Bruce, i love the richness of the background against the figure which in turn makes her vibrant,...very nice...

Sandra

TruEnuff
11-26-2009, 12:01 PM
Thank you Sandra and Kathy, for your comments. I find painting these masterworks to be a real learning experience in so many ways. I never fail to discover something I didn't know or hadn't tried before.

Keep Painting! :wave:

TheBaron
11-27-2009, 12:40 AM
Well done Bruce,a fine piece :thumbsup:

Jaro,she's glowing :) I'd clean up the edges of the trees and maybe add a few specks of green randomly close to the trees themselves?

Georg J.P. Wowk
11-29-2009, 01:37 PM
Good Morning..!!

Thank you George, I am not sure which side to fix the trees, can you tell me wich side..??

I have worked on Modestie some more. 24 X 36

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Nov-2009/152088-jaro-Nov-29-2009-1.jpg

oilyman
12-01-2009, 06:58 AM
As promised George i've started blondie , I do find bourgy skintones such fun to do because when you think you are on the right path to victory the rug gets firmly pulled beneath your feet and its a visit to the bin again:lol:

26x18

TheBaron
12-01-2009, 08:51 AM
The thing is Leigh...when I know I'm making a hash of Bourgies skintones I just go my own way and paint it in my own skintones rather than dump it.

lovin art
12-01-2009, 08:04 PM
Nice start and drawing Leigh, why the name change in your posting....or are going incognito...:D

Sandra

oilyman
12-02-2009, 06:33 AM
Hi sandra , i'm in disguise :lol: no just felt like changing me name , that said my wife had a few suggestions:lol:

Here's my update of today , got the hair roughed in and a few face colours down:D

TheBaron
12-02-2009, 08:14 AM
Looking good Leigh:thumbsup:

Mines on the backburner till my Maimeri Classico Oils come through the post.

Should be here before the weekend?

oilyman
12-02-2009, 09:13 AM
Cheers George

Thought i would take a picture outside as its stopped raining , more true colour as the prev post over exposed

lovin art
12-02-2009, 04:46 PM
Leigh, i'm loving the colours in this and her lips are already beautiful shapeing and all:thumbsup: , i made a hash of my lips on her made her to meanmouthed so to speak:lol:

Sandra

oilyman
12-02-2009, 06:10 PM
Thanks Sandra , i like the expression meanmouthed , :lol: the lips are an odd shape but also look how long her nose is .

Does anybody know who this woman was because she crops up alot in his paintings ?

lovin art
12-02-2009, 06:51 PM
Thanks Sandra , i like the expression meanmouthed , :lol: the lips are an odd shape but also look how long her nose is .

Does anybody know who this woman was because she crops up alot in his paintings ?

Your not kidding me:lol: 'Leigh, i could ski jump of that thing:D ..... I have no clue who she is but he must have liked somthing about that nose:rolleyes: ....she does have soulful eyes though....

Sandra

oilyman
12-03-2009, 06:59 AM
Bit more today , started getting the darks done for neck area , then got to lighten up when dry , trying to get a good photo of this today is proving hard as it is wet any really overcast

oilyman
12-04-2009, 05:21 AM
:d

TheBaron
12-04-2009, 08:31 AM
Was going to work on this with the new paints but will have to wait a little while longer now.

Anyway working on the lower half ie neck and I think the garment is finished?

I've noticed no one has implemented the lift in the garment on her left viewers shoulder,this indicates there's a rise in the garment inbetween her body and garment as shown here....
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Dec-2009/107353-Picture_005.jpg

TruEnuff
12-04-2009, 08:08 PM
:wave: Hi Leigh!
The Bouguereau that you are attempting strikes me as a particularly difficult one (not that ANY are easy!). You are doing a great job with a very challenging assignment! Nice work.

Keep Painting!

oilyman
12-05-2009, 03:47 PM
Cheers bruce:thumbsup:

Done a bit more today , blended the face which is not how i want it to be so will change that and done some more to the neck bringing it up to the face temperture. sorry about the image quality as it was taken at night

TheBaron
12-05-2009, 05:56 PM
You're doing well Leigh and this is a hard subject to copy of Bourgie's.

I'd take the edge of the viewers top right of the lip and put a hint of blue in the eye's,thats up to you though?

oilyman
12-05-2009, 06:57 PM
Cheers George , as you say a few things need refining also the chin is to pointed on reflection so should have this done soon but its been another learning curve .

Have you tried your new oils yet , i know you had hassle with them containing to much oil , i'm replacing my student oils one by one each week so could take me a while

lovin art
12-06-2009, 05:48 AM
Looking good Leigh!

Sandra

oilyman
12-06-2009, 09:01 AM
Thanks Sandra , well i'm done , as ever his paintings get the better of me but again you learn a great deal from them , thanks George for for picking this as it was a great example:thumbsup:

TruEnuff
12-06-2009, 01:27 PM
Leigh,
This is an amazingly successful effort. It's even more so, in my opinion, because of the very challenging work it is based on. I know that you have posted a number of WIP updates on this, but I would love to hear a little more description about your technique if you have the chance. Just as you learned a little from M. Bouguereau, I think I could learn something from you!

Keep Painting! :wave:

oilyman
12-06-2009, 02:17 PM
Cheers Bruce , i'm not good at explaining processes but i will give it a bash,

I study the paintings colours , blow it up , pick apart the pallette and order of application , which i now apply to every painting i do because bourgy must have had a process himself and the trick is unlocking his combo of events , dont get me wrong it has taken me a long while even to get the skin to look sort of like it but this guy has a final application secret and i'm hooked on how to solve it.

Application is not strokes of paint its dab of paint , i would say 80% of this painting is dabbed on but the order of colours is crucial , with such a light pallette in general it is easy to just get lost early on , check last month irene i started as bettythecat and i just gave up because i couldn't find a formula in application , so it beat me but this guys work is addictive because when you get near to a good copy you want to have a go at another one of his .

The bottom line is bruce paint as thin as you can and build slowly everywhere , i think maybe 5 colours on top of each works when you can see them all which in turn give the skin a real and living complextion

Well i hope that helps but as i said i'm not good at tech terms and thankyou for the above remarks , coming from yourself and seeing your art it was a lovely compliment

Regards

Leigh

Georg J.P. Wowk
12-06-2009, 03:41 PM
Good Afternoon..!!

Leigh, Oilyman and George, you are all doing great on the Blonde. I have put her aside for awhile, well get back to her some time this week.
I have been working on Modestie what a chore she.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Dec-2009/152088-jaro-Dec-05-10-02.jpg

Marigold
12-07-2009, 08:03 AM
Hello Leigh,

Cheers Bruce , i'm not good at explaining processes but i will give it a bash,

I study the paintings colours , blow it up , pick apart the pallette and order of application , which i now apply to every painting i do because bourgy must have had a process himself and the trick is unlocking his combo of events , dont get me wrong it has taken me a long while even to get the skin to look sort of like it but this guy has a final application secret and i'm hooked on how to solve it.

Application is not strokes of paint its dab of paint , i would say 80% of this painting is dabbed on but the order of colours is crucial , with such a light pallette in general it is easy to just get lost early on , check last month irene i started as bettythecat and i just gave up because i couldn't find a formula in application , so it beat me but this guys work is addictive because when you get near to a good copy you want to have a go at another one of his .

The bottom line is bruce paint as thin as you can and build slowly everywhere , i think maybe 5 colours on top of each works when you can see them all which in turn give the skin a real and living complextion

Well i hope that helps but as i said i'm not good at tech terms and thankyou for the above remarks , coming from yourself and seeing your art it was a lovely compliment

Regards

Leigh

I also think your girl is perfect! Good work! I especially like the cheek. I have read your explanations with great interest. I have my own attempt on the easel, but still in green-earth underpainting with not much of an idea on how to go on. I was wondering about your layers.

1) Do you let the paint dry between layers?
2) I have trouble with layering light colors because that means I have to add white, which (I use titanium) covers up previous layers almost completely, so what is the use of layering? How do you build light layers?
3) How do you achieve "as thin as you can" layers - just by thin application or do you add much oil/medium?

I hope you don't mind my questions, I thought as MIO is a project focused on learning I might as well ask - feel free to ignore.

Anyway. I will work some more on her tonight.

Susanne

Marigold
12-07-2009, 08:19 AM
Good Afternoon..!!

Leigh, Oilyman and George, you are all doing great on the Blonde. I have put her aside for awhile, well get back to her some time this week.
I have been working on Modestie what a chore she.


Jaro,
the Modestie sure is an ambitious project, being not just head and shoulders but a full body portrait (well, without feet but still). She is looking better and better, I like how the colors of her dress are now softer and a bit toned down compared to the "radioactive" green in the beginning stages. Maybe you could have another look at the hands.
Susanne

Georg J.P. Wowk
12-07-2009, 11:09 AM
Good Morning..!!

Thank you for your comments Susanne, I thought that nobody would notice how bad I am with hands and fingers, I knew that this would be a challange. I am working on another Masters portrait by Godward (Classic Beauty) It is 30 x 40http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Dec-2009/152088-jaro-Nov-26-2009-2.jpg

lovin art
12-07-2009, 05:55 PM
Leigh,
This is an amazingly successful effort. It's even more so, in my opinion, because of the very challenging work it is based on. I know that you have posted a number of WIP updates on this, but I would love to hear a little more description about your technique if you have the chance. Just as you learned a little from M. Bouguereau, I think I could learn something from you!

Keep Painting! :wave:

You just said it all Bruce, totally agree!....your up there with the best of them!....Leigh!:wink2: ....and George your Godward painting is truly lovely....

Sandra

oilyman
12-07-2009, 06:52 PM
Thankyou Susanne :D i dont know how much help i can be because i dont do an underpainting as such i work in a circle so the time i get round to doing the same area it is dry so yes the layer has to be dry , i dont use that much white only on the last coat i mix some with liqiun and fan brush some on but again gently gently as this could disturb the lower layer as i paint very thin , have a look at the neck area in one of my updates and see how dark the colours are but are placed where the tone needs to just show through once the white goes on , sometimes i tint the white a green/yellow (just a little tint)to warm certain areas .

The paint thin question is straightforward , do not use any oil/med only for the white tint as this takes the longest to dry , its a case of dipping the brush in the desired colour and then taking nearly all of it off again leaving the lightest of film on your brush , easily as that , that why if you work in a circle the face hair neck will all pretty much take shape together giving a better overall progress and error finding exercise.

I hope that helps a bit and am looking forward to seeing your bourgy:D

Jaro , you are a paintaholic but power to your paintbrush they all are great:thumbsup:

Thankyou Sandra :o :thumbsup: :D


George you have not told me how these new oils are shaping up yet , was it a bad question to ask .

TheBaron
12-07-2009, 07:35 PM
George you have not told me how these new oils are shaping up yet , was it a bad question to ask .

How do Leigh.

I havn't really tried them as of yet but since I've emptied a percentage of the oil they seem to be thicker in pigment than my Georgians,they are still upside down so as to make the oil find its way through the oil fof eveness.

The Georgian 75ml are slightly cheaper than these 60ml classico's but I must admit the Classico is more pigment than the Georgians,so I'd say they're worth the money in respect to student grades.

I've given up on the Bourgie and have started to try my hand at the layering technique,my old favourite has been given a new lease of life after being left so long in the corner:( I'm working on the arm in a grey-scale underlayer and will post a pic as soon as its done.

Here's what it looked like back then:D
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=556627

TruEnuff
12-07-2009, 10:51 PM
Hi Leigh,

Thank you for taking some time to review your process with me (us). I'm so impressed with the success you had on your most recent Bouguereau that I had to ask. Your explanation to Suzanne about "dabs" of paint was great. I get it, I think. One thing's for sure.....I'm gonna try it!

I look forward to your next effort!

Keep Painting! :wave:

lovin art
12-07-2009, 10:52 PM
Wow George, just took a look and read your thread, it will be wonderful when you do finish this, those Robes and metal are just lovely, great detail going on in this peice....

Sandra

TruEnuff
12-07-2009, 10:53 PM
Hello, Jaro!

Your painting glows! It's like there's a light behind it showing through somehow. Nice work!

Keep Painting! :wave:

oilyman
12-08-2009, 05:18 AM
Keep us informed on these new ones george when there ready to go , checked out your link you posted , very cool painting , always fancied doin a ceiling in the house with something similar just to see if it worked but the mrs isnt keen:eek:

TheBaron
12-08-2009, 07:08 AM
Jaro,you certainly have some time on your hand:) good start to the Godward:thumbsup:

Thanks Sandra,Bourgie was never my forte so maybe I should give them a miss?

Leigh,I'd say the classico is worth the money.
In my early 20's I painted a whole wall in my bedroom depicting the battle of waterloo...god I must have been bored back then. :D

lovin art
12-09-2009, 04:22 PM
In my early 20's I painted a whole wall in my bedroom depicting the battle of waterloo...god I must have been bored back then.

Wow, thats sounds pretty cool George, must have been nice to lay back in bed and look at!

Sandra

TheBaron
12-09-2009, 05:11 PM
The joy was painting it Sandra,as I had a lot of energy to burn back then.

The biggest figure/s where about 7" at the forfront of the painting and went smaller into the distance.

Can't remember what I sealed the wall with? but the painting was done with loads of pots of modellers enamel based paint.

The wall was 9'x10' allthough it wasn't completely covered I left a border round the painting.

Georg J.P. Wowk
12-11-2009, 05:22 PM
Good Afternoon..!!

Still struggling with the Blonde.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Dec-2009/152088-jaro-Dec-11-09-01.jpg

Roxie Real
12-12-2009, 05:03 PM
I thought I would try this one. I wish I didn't start that background....now I have to finish it. oil on canvas 16x20 c and c welcome please. Roxiehttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Dec-2009/129150-000_00042.jpg

TheBaron
12-12-2009, 10:56 PM
How do Roxie.

Welcome to the MIO and you are off to a good start. :thumbsup:

You're not obliged to paint the background as is and if you feel its not going well then don't depsair as the background can always just be plain or scrumbled to suit. :)

Roxie Real
12-12-2009, 11:10 PM
How are you George? Thank you for your comment. It is funny, as soon as I got this on, I see something I need to change. I like the red in the background so will stay with it. Roxie

TheBaron
12-13-2009, 12:18 AM
How are you George?

As well as to be expected under the circumstances,so far so good not ended up in hospital up to now,usually at this time of year I do.

Thanks for asking:thumbsup:

Keep up the good work and it'll shine through if ya don't rush it.

lovin art
12-13-2009, 12:45 AM
Roxie, good to see you joining in:thumbsup: , theres to many males:evil: , us women are out numbered on here:D the more the merrier. Only joking George....i love doing MIO'S its the best thread on here!

Sandra...

TheBaron
12-13-2009, 12:50 AM
How do Sandra.

I have an additional concept to add to the MIO each month,this will be revealed later on today as I'm busy at the mo to explain what it is.

:thumbsup:

oilyman
12-13-2009, 05:40 AM
Good on ya roxie , looking good:thumbsup:

George , new concept!!! , sounds interesting:D

Georg J.P. Wowk
12-13-2009, 01:32 PM
Good Morning..!!

Roxie: You have a good start on this painting.

I have been at odds end with Modestie, I am going to call it finished and go on to my other Paintings. Her hands have been a test.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Dec-2009/152088-jaro-Dec-13-09-01.jpg

TheBaron
12-13-2009, 01:46 PM
Good Morning..!!

Her hands have been a test.



:lol::lol: Probably because your work is not often the hands Jaro? I find hands interesting to paint and a lot of you hate doing Fabric/Garments which I also like doing.

Yer won't get anywhere if you have pet hates. :wink2:

Its very good Jaro:thumbsup:

TheBaron
12-14-2009, 06:18 PM
George , new concept!!! , sounds interesting:D
Yep!

How do folks I havn't thought this out as of yet but...

The new additional concept would be "Glaze along with George":D
This would entail me setting out a masters painting,drawing the painting and painting it in grayscale one month and the next month adding the colour layers,
This will continue for two or three months along with the normal/coventional MIO if you choose not to take part in the layering concept.

The only rule is you go along with the grays and colour skintones I put forward ie I'll name the colours to mix or pallete and we/you will stay with those for the duration it takes to complete the painting.

The MIO as I said will stay the same 3 different paintings each month but the new addition will carry through those months until finished.

What do you think? it's all in your interest and mine. :thumbsup:

lovin art
12-14-2009, 06:34 PM
Well no harm on foul hay George, I'll give it a go, but what happens if we dont have the same colours as you pick, guess i will have to make do.... sounds like a good idea....

Sandra

TheBaron
12-14-2009, 06:39 PM
Just to add(told yer I hadn't thought this out yet):D

I'll post two photo's of the intended painting,one will be Grayscale and another will be Greyscale Posterised

The Posterised image will let you know where the tonal range starts and ends so as to paint different greys in those areas and then you can blend the edges together.

The Gayscale one is just a source as to what it should more or less look like for the colour stage.

Here an example....

Grayscale
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Dec-2009/107353-test.jpg

Grayscale Posterised
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Dec-2009/107353-tet.jpg

oilyman
12-14-2009, 07:38 PM
Nice idea george , good way to learning glazing/layering if you have never tried it but not to sure about the pallette idea , but of course you could set a guide pallette down and if people wished to follow that by all means, not all people may have the colours you have or are confident on mixing them colours .

I like it thou:D

Started a still life today doing this method :eek: good fun thou

TheBaron
12-14-2009, 07:52 PM
but what happens if we dont have the same colours as you pick,Sandra

Ok point taken but I'll set out a pallete or two?
:p

TheBaron
12-14-2009, 07:57 PM
not all people may have the colours you have or are confident on mixing them colours .

I like it thou:D

Started a still life today doing this method :eek: good fun thou

I'll try a way of measuring a ratio to mix and post a swatch even though not all computer screens will display the correct colours and as I said to Sandra one or two palletes.

Thats the best way to do the layering/glazing technique using a still life(I hate em meself):evil: but its a different kettle of fish with skintones.

oilyman
12-14-2009, 08:23 PM
Sounds good:D

I cant say im to keen on still life but its all good practice , fed up with portraits at the moment

trevors
12-15-2009, 03:01 PM
Hi everybody just to let you know that I am still lurking and will be joining you again in January your glazing idea sounds good George so I will join in that as well, I have done a little glazing but it turned out too dark cos I got the grisaille too dark to start with !!!!
Happy holiday to all of you :wave:

TheBaron
12-16-2009, 12:30 AM
fed up with portraits at the moment

That is why its good to take a break from the norm simply because sometimes it gives us more vigour when we come back to portraits and helps us see the portraiture in a better understanding we didn't see before.

Would you like a composition similair to the Grayscale I posted?

lovin art
12-16-2009, 01:01 AM
I like it George, but can we still cut the comp to suit oursleves or maybe not, i dont think that would work....:confused:

Sandra...

TheBaron
12-16-2009, 01:13 AM
I like it George, but can we still cut the comp to suit oursleves or maybe not, Sandra...

I'm summizing you mean painting a portion of the composition? yes you can do that if you feel there's too much invloved in the photo.

I heard you say in another thread that you have trouble painting glass? there is no mystery in painting glass,its about drawing the correct shape and using a very light grey to begin with and painting in what you see in/through the glass,the glass then comes to life when you put in the correct highlights where captured.

oilyman
12-16-2009, 02:50 AM
Would you like a composition similair to the Grayscale I posted?

I will have at go at what you suggest , in for a penny and all that:D

TheBaron
12-16-2009, 04:28 AM
Ok.

You'll want want a fairly smooth canvas/material? for layering and I can't emphasise this enough...a good detailed drawing can make or break the finished painting.

So in a couple of days I'll post the reference photo so anyone wanting to take part can draw the photo at their leisure upto 1st January 2010 and then I will start the process.

:thumbsup:

trevors
12-16-2009, 11:17 AM
You'll want want a fairly smooth canvas/material?

Now that makes me a little nervous George as I recently double primed some canvases with oil primer on supposedly already primed canvas and rubbed down each coat until the surface was really smooth and then had difficulty getting it to accept paint as each brush pulled off the already applied paint!
I was using liquin, mainly to speed drying! Any comments would be appreciated !

BTW thanks for your efforts in putting up these threads this year you really are an inspiration :clap: :clap:

TheBaron
12-16-2009, 12:18 PM
Trevor,Can't say I've had a problem with the paint taking to a smooth vanvas surface and I do it the wet&dry stylie way.

Rough the surface with fine sandpaper and try that.

Thanks for the comps.

oilyman
12-22-2009, 05:47 PM
Any update on this image your posting george ? :D bit bored need something to do

TheBaron
12-31-2009, 12:59 AM
How do Leigh and one and all,sorry that I havn't been present....had chest pains before and after xmas...not too bad now...think I'll be seeing the new year in. :)

Will get back on track soon. :thumbsup:

Roxie Real
12-31-2009, 09:29 PM
Hi George, hope you are feeling better and have a great new year. At last I got to work on my painting after Christmas. c and c welcome please. Roxiehttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Dec-2009/129150-000_0002.jpg

lovin art
12-31-2009, 10:49 PM
Good to hear your doing better George, looking forward to the new year, Roxie, your version is lovely, and the detailed background is very well done....great job on this....

Sandra

pameladallaire
12-31-2009, 11:17 PM
Since I am a newbie to the oil painting group I was hesitant to add my transition to oil painting here, but it is a Bougereau, so here goes.

This is the image I used as a reference. (http://www.bouguereau.org/Gabrielle-Cot-1890-large.html) It is the portrait of Gabrielle Cot.

Here are my steps so far in ACRYLIC, on a canvas slightly smaller than the original 14 x 11" painting. (The finishing steps will be in oil as I have recently switched all my painting to oils.)

Gridding the facial features in place:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Dec-2009/47782-Copy_a_Master_Challenge_step_1.JPG

Adding a very dark background to start:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Dec-2009/47782-Copy_a_Master_Challenge_step_2.JPG

Doing the underpainting in a variety of colours:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Dec-2009/47782-Copy_a_Master_Challenge_step_3.JPG

Adding shadows but still have to correct the eyes, mouth, and nose as I go:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Dec-2009/47782-Copy_a_Master_Challenge_step_4_sm.JPG

Now I add oils. :D

Pam

lovin art
01-01-2010, 12:12 AM
Hi Pam, welcome, this is looking good, no need to be hesitant here! look forward to the next post of this!

Sandra

TheBaron
01-01-2010, 12:50 AM
How do all and a prosperous new year for 2010(Don't time fly) :-)

Roxie,gotta think this must be your best yet for the masters side,thanks for the well wishes,alas it was a small stroke and has left me with a deadness on my left hand little finger and ring finger plus the lowerpalm area :-(
It sure does feel funny not having any sense of feeling there.

Thank you Sandra,hopefully we'll get the ball rolling again very soon.

How do Pam

Gonna have to tell you off here :wink2: the MIO is for posting only works supplied each month at the begining of each months MIO.
However as your new to the MIO we can oversee this in this months MIO because January's MIO will appear soon.

You can still bring this one up as you progress with your Bourgy to let us see the progress which is coming along nicely.:thumbsup:
Best you bookmark this thread as it will soon be replaced with January's MIO or start another thread soley based on this work your doing in the main"Oils"forum.

Roxie Real
01-01-2010, 07:57 AM
Thank you Sandra and George for your comments. George I am sorry to hear you had a stroke, hopefully it will get better. Roxie