View Full Version : Oldies but Goodies-Helen Frankenthaler-Oct 30 - Nov 13

10-30-2009, 07:48 PM
Well, ya'll......this bi weekly feature artist Helen Fraknethaler is a first in two ways.....

first, and most importantly is she is still ALIVE!!!!!!!!

second, she is a notable abstract painter


so, this will be a first for ME.........Her abstracts remind me of of what Betty Edwards (author of Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain) calls analog drawing........

here are a couple of links that show analog drawings and a quotations describing analog drawings. I have done them as a therapy in the past. I'll dig up some and post them soon......meanwhile, we have two weeks to study this artist and imitate her approach to the world around and within us.



a definition +++++++++ analog drawing is a symbolic drawing expressing one's emotions, ideas, and feelings, often used to identify and help solve problems. A framework of art education and art therapy research and practice was used. The central research question was whether the subject, along with the other inmate art students, could be taught analog drawing and then be taught how to interpret the meaning of their drawn symbols. The results of the study suggest that teaching analog drawing in a constrained prison setting is possible, and that art students can learn to formulate a problem, draw it in an artistic way, and then interpret their analog art and understand its meaning in relation to their life.

If you are new - this is a two week thread where we study the featured artist - read about, imitate, discuss etc the artist. Please join us as we become acquainted with Helen Fraknethaler......any medium.

10-31-2009, 02:02 AM
I am intrigued!!

10-31-2009, 06:19 AM
Watched a documentary the other night on artists, done in 1972. Mostly in black and white. Interviews with DeKooning, Newman, Jasper Johns, Robert Rauschenberg. Motherwell and Helen Frankenthaler (the lone woman, though Lee Krasner was around then)

It convinced me that artists should never talk about their work :lol: Barnet Newman droned on and on. Now that artists are stars (Jeff Koons) they seem to have become slicker in interviews and artist's statements. The docu would be worth having, just because so many of the artists are now dead.

Love Frankenthaler's work and very curious about analog drawing...won't let this oldie pass me by. :heart:

11-01-2009, 12:00 PM
wonder if they have that documentary on Netflix? I'll go look just now. Back again and they have it I think but the availability is unknown so it is on save.....don't know when or if they'll have it......titled Painters Painting starring Emile De Antonio and Andy Warhol

11-01-2009, 01:18 PM
Here's an interesting You-tube. I'm getting more and more excited by Frankenthaler.


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11-01-2009, 01:33 PM
I'm soooooooooo glad to see Frankenthaler featured here!

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11-01-2009, 01:35 PM
Guess what, Robin? While looking for Frankenthaler on You-tube, I found the documentary I saw. It's called "Painters Painting" Here's a link to part II, because Part I is mostly Barnett Newman droning on and on. But part I is in the sidebar if you want to see it.

Youtube has everything.

11-02-2009, 03:01 PM
Janet - thanks for the link, I watched alot of them. It is a good idea to search around on U tube, never occured to me.

Here is one I did yesterday when thinking about a girl friend of my daughter's who spent the night. It was not a pleasant memory - Watercolor and ink

11-03-2009, 01:23 PM
Robin, that's really wild.

Found a class on stain painting on YouTube...I'm going to give it a try and then do something. I'm hanging out on the PC too much.


There is a Part II to this in the sidebar :)

11-07-2009, 01:49 AM
Interesting work Robin. I am off to check the video, janet

11-09-2009, 01:15 PM
I am trying to think thru Helen's creative process. Sometimes she abstracted landscapes one site said, and some of them it seems are abstract of places like this one Paris Review 1996 looks like a gallery hall

I don't have any canvas or oils. I think I'll just mimic with watercolor.

I thinking about doing one of my current toothache since it's foremost on my mind. It's not excruciating (yet)

11-10-2009, 07:16 AM

Thought I'd try acrylics with flow enhancer. I think watercolour wet on wet would be better.

This was done thinking of the oystercatcher birds at Kawakawa Bay, NZ. Not sure if that idea comes across. I'll do a scan of it later when its dry.

Hi Robin, hope the toothache's not too bad!! I just had X-rays at the dentist...I hope my teeth are OK!! Get better soon. Looking forward to the 'tooth-ache' abstract.;)

11-10-2009, 08:21 AM

Here's the scan. Right way up, I think. The pink bird (middle, bottom of page) is the oystercatcher maybe? I didn't plan on that but I see a bird there, do you?

This is 8 by 12 ins, acrylics, on cartridge paper.

11-10-2009, 09:01 AM
Looks pretty good to me June. I have some small pieces of canvas that I'm going to play with today/tomorrow? I'll use the flow also. Heard she also used detergeant??? That should be fun. Wonder if water based oils would work. OK, Janet, stop wondering and do something. :heart:

11-10-2009, 01:02 PM
Looking forward to the experiments Janet!

I think detergent would act just like the flow enhancer.

11-11-2009, 09:58 PM
looks just like a duck with oysters, especially after a couple of drinks!!! but is it legal to give drink to ducks??

one is also advised to use detergent on monoprints or lino prints to keep the paint from drying too fast. I think experimentation is healthy as long as it doesn't involve lead or radioactive atomic particles!!!

11-12-2009, 04:33 PM
Just come onto this interesting thread!

Will refer this thread to my 18 year old ( building her portfolio for Art college entry next year ), as she's now indicated an interest in checking out Art Therapy as well !

Detergent and monoprints:

I usually coat the base/matrix-I use glass- with concentrated liquid dish-washing liquid and let it dry -usually-overnight..

Next day I"ll paint on top with either Water-colours or acrylics to which I"ve added some kind of retarding/slow-dry medium.

When the picture is finished and dry, I place damp paper -usually rice or mulberry-over the base and brayer..

11-12-2009, 04:58 PM
Thanks for that info, wildgoose. I haven't tried that yet...i usually just paint on glass and then use dry paper to transfer. But I've only done 1 or 2.

We are hoping to do projects on printing (in this forum)- monoprints, etc- starting next year!!

11-13-2009, 06:31 PM
I had the tooth pulled yesterday. The dentist tried to save the tooth but it was cracked all the way down the root. Healing is progressing smoothly.
I've got a strong image I want to get down for this thread though I'll be late in submitting it.
Wild Goose - Thanks for the monoprint guidelines. I :heart: monoprints, think I'll try that tommorrow. I'm off to coat some plexiglass with detergent. :)

11-17-2009, 06:40 AM
Here are my beginning attempts at staining. I brushed some flow mixed with a lot of water on to scraps of canvas and then flowed some acrylics around. Didn't get exactly what I wanted but it's a start.

Did find a book of Frankenthaler prints among my art books, which made me want to make prints again. YouTube is loaded with print classes...so I browsed through them for a while :)



11-17-2009, 10:25 PM
Hi Janet, the first looks like a doorway to me and the second reminds me of a landscape. I like that watery look you achieved.

Print classes on utube...that's an idea.

11-18-2009, 01:28 AM
Janet, these are interesting. The first looks like a modern birthday cake. The second looks like a cartoon duck hiding under a blanket to me. Did you have any specific image in mind when you put these down?

Boy, print videos on utube sound great to me.

11-18-2009, 01:41 AM
June has aptly named this Tooth Exorcism - monoprint with gesso & pencil tooth

11-18-2009, 06:01 AM
I didn't have anything in mind...just experimenting. Now that I see how the wet canvas soaks up the paint, I'll try some more with richer colors. Used acrylics but would like to try some other mediums.

Robin...that must have been a painful visit to the dentist and I love your monoprint.

Yes, I'm having a ball in YouTube. Found a reduction class , silk screen, lithos, with stone and without and lots more. My son is interested in leather mask making and beleive it or not they have classes in that too. :heart: