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07-31-2009, 03:55 AM



Title: Flowers in charcoal
Year Created:
Medium: Charcoal
Surface: Paper
Dimension: 70x50cm
Allow digital alterations?: Yes!

Just trying to fine tune my "value perception", I have sketched this pot with some flowers and a drapery behind. It took around 8 hours.

Basically, I'd like to know:<br>Is the composition correct? Would you change it?<br>Are the values right? Does the image read correctly? I am very conce<br>ed about this.<br>And finally, I know there are some drawing flaws. Do they affect the final effect too much?

07-31-2009, 06:03 AM
it's a very nice drawing


the perspective of the pot is a little out but you can easily correct it in charcoal so it's not a problem

I would emphasise some of the flowing lines on the flowers, just to give them a little more oomph as they are just very slightly lost, (bring them out from the background) and shouldn't be as they are the 'stars' of the piece

having said this, it's a lovely drawing which only needs tweaking a little - putting it into photoshop or Artweaver(freeware) and tweaking the contrast might help sort out what needs a slight 'push' to just take it up to the next level

07-31-2009, 10:18 AM
an extremely beautiful drawing! I do feel that the left hand stalk of flowers is too much lost to the intricate folds of the backdrop. There is a simple unbreakable law of seeing that comes into play here. Background lines or value edges are softer than those in the foreground. Soft lines and soft edged values recede, they move to the background and withdraw their presence visually. Hard edged values and lines proclaim themselves visually and advance. By working the two effects in their respective places the foreground is visually separated from the background. Lines are especially sensitive. Lines are like visual chains that bind images together on the same plane and make them one. Here I would pretty much break the lines and values and fade the backdrop lines out as they approach the flower. In real seeing we would not be able to focus on the flower and the background lines at the same time. For a natural effect it must be one or the other.


good :thumbsup: work


07-31-2009, 10:58 AM
You display a wonderful native understanding of use of line and tone and value here. It's a busy composition, but works quite well in spite of that.

08-01-2009, 03:12 AM
" the final effect ".......is lovely....yd

08-01-2009, 03:24 AM
really lovely ! i like everything about this but do agree the left bunch of flowers is a titch lost ... i put a little bit of lightness behind the flowers ... very subtle but it crisps up the area and brings out the flowers just a wee bit more ... can you see the difference? i think it helps :)


08-03-2009, 03:40 AM
It is a beautiful drawing--well thought out and drafted. What Corby has said is important information. The values look good--convincing. The composition is very effective. Remember that the eye will perceive light faster than shadow, so backlighting can usually pose some problems--making the viewer focus on the negative shapes more than the positive foreground shapes. I love the challenge of backlighting myself, but in this case the fact that the light shape is not as "interesting" as the forground, adds to the competing area of interest of the drawing.

08-04-2009, 03:47 AM
Vhere: Thanks for the crits. I think you are right about the lines. Maybe they are too much emphasized.
Corby: Thanks a lot for dedicating some time to tweakening the picture! And the advice is really useful. It can be seen a huge improvement applying the softening in the background. I'll try that in my next charcoal.
Allanom: Thank you! I was a bit concerned about the composition.
Yarddog: I am glad you like it...I only like parts of it, so it relieves me somehow.
La: Your picture shows a subtle but noticeable effect. As with Corby's picture, I think it is a great step forward for me. A million thanks for spending your precious time with my humble charcoal.
Tali: Good advices, I'll keep them in mind. I am glad composition seems to be fine. Thanks for the critics, it's what I needed.