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robertsloan2
04-01-2009, 01:09 PM
Welcome to the challenge!

I have taken over the challenge as a substitute, knew this for days and kept my mouth shut about it. But somebody in last month's thread wished there were more images -- your wish is my command, enjoy the three that I picked! Ari Cat is blowing his coat, so he sheds many Cat Hairs of Inspiration on you.

I've gotten up today at the crack of noon to bring you a trio of colorful, detailed, beautiful references from the RIL. Everyone is welcome, even if you are new to oil pastels.

Take one or any of the three references below and paint your interpretation in oil pastels. You can crop, photomanipulate, tweak, alter the format, do whatever you want to the source image to set it up for your painting. Just use your chosen references as inspiration, then post the results here for viewing.

Please include the kind of support (type, brand, weight) used, brand or brands of OP used, and the size of the painting and any other informtion about special techniques you might have used. Any other comments welcome.

And now for our three wonderful references from the RIL:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2009/70184-WC_MajesticElkhornCoral_lisilk_permission.jpg
Majestic Elkhorn Coral by lisilk

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2009/70184-WC_NectarinesAndGrapes36990Fruit_in_a_bowl_Cherylyn_Gaiter.jpg
Nectarines and Grapes by Cherylyn Gaiter

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2009/70184-WC_grapeslightened_mustcreate_permission.jpg
Grapes by mustcreate

Happy April! I meant to post these at midnight to reach those in other time zones, but thanks to our wonderful spring weather in Kansas, I passed out instead. Sorry about the noon wakeup thing. You can find larger images in the RIL at these links:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/RefLib/showphoto.php?photo=62397 Majestic Elkhorn Coral by lisilk
http://www.wetcanvas.com/RefLib/showphoto.php?photo=29150 Nectarines and Grapes by Cherylyn Gaiter
http://www.wetcanvas.com/RefLib/showphoto.php?photo=13299 Grapes by mustcreate.

oldrockchick
04-01-2009, 01:28 PM
Thanks Robert,
I shall enjoy having a go at those. I've already considered how I will do the first one.

First i must finish something I'm working on in oils and I still have my portrait to do.

Barbara WC
04-01-2009, 02:10 PM
Thanks for hosting Robert. You picked some fabulous images!

Is it just on my computer, or are all the images upside down?

Barbara

robertsloan2
04-01-2009, 02:22 PM
Thanks, Barbara! Why would you think the images are upside down? Don't you usually nail still lifes to the ceiling to take pictures of them?

April Fool!

I did that on purpose as a gag, was going to post 100 pixel square avatar versions of them and even had them prepared. But then I realized posting them upside down was a better one.

It has a point.

If you try realism and you want an accurate sketch rendering of something, look at the reference upside down and then sketch it upside down. It's a lot easier to forget what it is and get the lines right. I'll repost them here right side up for anyone who wants to see what their painting will look like when they turn it right side up.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2009/70184-WC_MajesticElkhornCoral_lisilk_permission.jpg
Majestic Elkhorn Coral by lisilk

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2009/70184-WC_NectarinesAndGrapes36990Fruit_in_a_bowl_Cherylyn_Gaiter.jpg
Nectarines and Grapes by Cherylyn Gaiter

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2009/70184-WC_grapeslightened_mustcreate_permission.jpg
Grapes by mustcreate

Hee hee, I was waiting for someone to notice that. :D

wabbitt
04-01-2009, 03:24 PM
Either they were turned right side up before I got a look or my computer has an anti-joke filter installed.

The images are fabulous, Robert. Thanks to you and Ari for hosting this month.

robertsloan2
04-01-2009, 03:30 PM
Someone among the mods must have gone and turned them right side up. They were upside down when I posted them. I think WC may have an anti-joke filter. Purr glad you like the images! I'm looking forward to all three.

I hope someone takes me up on that grapes one with the cut crystal bowl. I picked that for something showoffy for a realist.

Pat Isaac
04-01-2009, 03:41 PM
I didn't turn them around and when I got here now they were right side up. Don't know..Good joke though.
I do like those grapes and crystal...not sure of my time frame though.
Enjoy

Pat

Barbara WC
04-01-2009, 04:13 PM
Robert- Glad I saw the joke before it went away! I totally forgot it was April Fool's day! Someone usually gets me every year- this year the award goes to you!

I'll take you up on the grapes! I took a photo of fruit in the sunlight on crystal while I was in Houston (my brother wondered why the heck I was taking picture of it!). This would be good practice, although the image you choose is much nicer than the one I took! It will probably take me a couple of weeks until I get to it- I'm deep in two other projects at the moment.

Barbara

robertsloan2
04-01-2009, 04:20 PM
Must have been one of the moderators at large who thought I just goofed rather than deliberately did a joke. Hope you do get time to try the crystal and grapes!

Barbara, I am looking forward to yours. That reference fascinates me and I know you and Pat and anyone who does it will handle it differently. It's going to be so beautiful.

eyepaint
04-01-2009, 04:29 PM
Either they were turned right side up before I got a look or my computer has an anti-joke filter installed.



LOL!!

I was just reading that in France and in French-speaking Canada they have Poisson d'avril where kids pin drawings of fish onto their victim's backs without being noticed and run away giggling "Poisson d'avril!" - Ha!

From wikipedia:
The April 1 tradition in France and French-speaking Canada includes poisson d'avril (literally "April's fish"), attempting to attach a paper fish to the victim's back without being noticed. This is also widespread in other nations, such as Italy (where the term Pesce d'aprile (literally "April's fish") is also used to refer to any jokes done during the day). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisson_d'avril

Pat Isaac
04-01-2009, 04:33 PM
:lol: I just read that this morning also, EP. Never heard that before.

Pat

Scarefishcrow
04-01-2009, 04:36 PM
Someone among the mods must have gone and turned them right side up. They were upside down when I posted them. I think WC may have an anti-joke filter. Purr glad you like the images! I'm looking forward to all three.

I hope someone takes me up on that grapes one with the cut crystal bowl. I picked that for something showoffy for a realist.

Actually, Robert, I would guess you edited the images to rotate them, saved them with the same filename and uploaded again.

Once you use a filename to upload an image, for the rest of the day any new image uploaded using the same filename will replace any images previously uploaded under that name! I guess the April Fool's joke was on you!:lol:

Anyway, thanks for agreeing to step in and host the month. Great images!

Bill:clap: :clap: :clap:

Pat Isaac
04-01-2009, 04:42 PM
Of course, that is probably exactly what happened....

Pat

robertsloan2
04-01-2009, 04:47 PM
I just realized what happened. I turned the references right side up to post them in the second post and it has the same file name of course. I should have done a Save As with them upside down to make the joke stick. Ah well. It was fun and I zapped one person with it at least!

Here's my initial study of the crystal and grapes. It's rough and inaccurate but it serves to figure out some of the color combinations. Gallery Mungyo oil pastels on sketchbook paper. This is not my version of realism.

I think I may go sketching it out in great detail on Colourfix and then go at it with Neopastels if I want to try for realism on the crystal.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2009/70184-GrapesCrystalStudy1.jpg

Also, thank you for stickying this thread! Much appreciated.

oldrockchick
04-01-2009, 06:59 PM
Robert - nice work on the bowl :thumbsup:


Well I didn't go for realism, just nice bright colours. As is quite natural for a reef.

This is my take on the Reef
Majestic Elkhorn Coral by Lisic
Daler Rowney for wash and undercoat
Topped with Neopastels, Sennelier and a little of the Gallery Artists Metallic here and there for a little sparkle.
On cool blue DR Murano pastel paper 12" x 9"

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2009/179312-April_OP_1_reef_enhanced_600_p.jpg

Will have a go at the others later in the month, I also have my Martine portrait to work on.

Pat Isaac
04-01-2009, 07:20 PM
This is really awesome, ORC. Rich strong color and a great impasto feel.

Pat

robertsloan2
04-01-2009, 07:35 PM
ORC that is magnificent! I love the overwhelming rich color and motion of your version of the elkhorn coral. It's so wild and free. I can feel the current looking at it. You captured everything in the reference and gave it a lot of detail yet it still has that impressionist vigor to it.

Wonderful painting! Great accuracy and I think the little bit of sparkle helped even if the effect is subtle in the scan.

Whoo hoo! Looking forward to seeing your others too, but I think this one will be my favorite among your works for a long time.

truck driver
04-01-2009, 09:42 PM
Nice work with the coral reef ---

Now to business grapes and fruit, or grapes, or a coral reef all from the RIL..

hrmm we shall see... what we shall see :P

RG

Scarefishcrow
04-01-2009, 11:26 PM
I just realized what happened. I turned the references right side up to post them in the second post and it has the same file name of course. I should have done a Save As with them upside down to make the joke stick. Ah well. It was fun and I zapped one person with it ateast! l

No problem Robert, I was glad I was able to explain the mystery to yor as it is a quirk people should be aware of when posting images as this commonly caused confusion a number of times and resulting in users thinking there is a bug or some moderator or admin changed their post.

I'm glad I was able to explain what happened to you. I'm quoting my post explaining what caused the confusion for the benefit of other user's experiencing the same phenomen!

Actually, Robert, I would guess you edited the images to rotate them, saved them with the same filename and uploaded again.

Once you use a filename to upload an image, for the rest of the day any new image uploaded using the same filename will replace any images previously uploaded under that name! I guess the April Fool's joke was on you!:lol:

Anyway, thanks for agreeing to step in and host the month. Great images!


Again, you are most Welcome for the assistance and always glad to be able to help!


Here's my initial study of the crystal and grapes. It's rough and inaccurate but it serves to figure out some of the color combinations. Gallery Mungyo oil pastels on sketchbook paper. This is not my version of realism.

I think I may go sketching it out in great detail on Colourfix and then go at it with Neopastels if I want to try for realism on the crystal.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2009/70184-GrapesCrystalStudy1.jpg
Very nice compositional study of the grapes in the crystal bowl. The bowl is quite challenge and you have a good start!


Also, thank you for stickying this thread! Much appreciated.

ORC- Your quick treatment of this with such wonderfully bold and harmonious color is fabulous! Your experience in working with oils is making your OP work progress rapidly!!


BILL:clap: :clap: :clap:

robertsloan2
04-01-2009, 11:41 PM
Yep. Actually I was a little out in the fog today and missed your post. You put your finger on it though!

I suppose I could put the joke back up but then I'd need to be able to repost the images right side up in yet another one -- well, it was fun. I liked the poisson d'avril idea too. I'd never heard of pinning paper fish to people's backs for it. That'd be funny.

Also a lot safer than the ones that go "your bank account's been hacked and you owe eight thousand dollars for women's shoes" or "you're being fired" and that sort of thing. Some jokes wind up giving people heart attacks.

If I'd known about poisson d'avril and its variations I would've included a reference of a fish, or a photo of an Origami fish in a still life.

Scarefishcrow
04-02-2009, 12:05 AM
No Problem. Mainly wanted to reinforce the explanction of the quirk in case it happens to others!

Bill:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

truck driver
04-02-2009, 12:34 AM
No Problem. Mainly wanted to reinforce the explanction of the quirk in case it happens to others!

Bill:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Thats not a quirk, its a bug :) or better known as an unplanned design feature..

RG

PiscesWoman
04-02-2009, 04:19 AM
Robert - nice work on the bowl :thumbsup:


Well I didn't go for realism, just nice bright colours. As is quite natural for a reef.

This is my take on the Reef
Majestic Elkhorn Coral by Lisic
Daler Rowney for wash and undercoat
Topped with Neopastels, Sennelier and a little of the Gallery Artists Metallic here and there for a little sparkle.
On cool blue DR Murano pastel paper 12" x 9"

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2009/179312-April_OP_1_reef_enhanced_600_p.jpg

Will have a go at the others later in the month, I also have my Martine portrait to work on.

Wow Lin!! Not only are you 'quick off the mark", but excellent result! I love tropical blue. And as Robert as said, you can feel and see that current!

Karen:clap:

oldrockchick
04-02-2009, 11:57 AM
WOW!
Thanks to Pat, Robert, RG, Bill and Karen for your comments. This is so encouraging.

From great artists of your calibre you have no idea how much your appreciation means to me.

I do feel so comfortable with OPs. What is more I really enjoy working with them.
Just lately I have not been able to do so much oil painting due to health issues, and can only do a few hours at a time at my easel. I can do OPs at my desk here, even while having the TENS machine working, which I can't when I'm doing easel work. too much stretching and twisting. Makes me tired and ache too much.

There are techniques I am still learning in Oil Painting, but ones I have developed to date, do come quite naturally and work well in developing OP techniques.

Mainly, the use of underpainting and blocking in. Like in CPs I sometimes have had trouble layering, previously due to lower quality tools. So I've had to adapt my style. I think sometimes when it is necessary to spend a long time working with lowly materials and tools, we have to learn to adapt to get the best from them. Whereas if we always start with the best, we get used to things working out better and may not learn as much.

I have to go out to 'work' tonight to do one of my radio shows. I still have my Martine portrait to finish and the CP challenge, so I'll see how I feel and what I fancy doing if I'm not too tired later. I have a whole month to do these, but when I saw that coral reef I just HAD to do it there and then!

Pat Isaac
04-02-2009, 12:13 PM
Nice start to the grapes, Robert. This would be my choice to do but not sure I'll get to it, at least not this month.

Pat

truck driver
04-02-2009, 12:33 PM
WOW!
Thanks to Pat, Robert, RG, Bill and Karen for your comments. This is so encouraging.

From great artists of your calibre you have no idea how much your appreciation means to me.


Umm how did I get included in the list of great artists? Theres a mistake there..

RG

Scarefishcrow
04-03-2009, 08:09 PM
WOW!
Thanks to Pat, Robert, RG, Bill and Karen for your comments. This is so encouraging.

From great artists of your calibre you have no idea how much your appreciation means to me.


Umm how did I get included in the list of great artists? Theres a mistake there..

RG


No mistake RG! Don't tell me I have to add modesty and humility to your lengthy list of characteristics and talents!:eek: :eek:

BILL:thumbsup: :wave:

aolaranora
04-03-2009, 08:15 PM
Robert - nice work on the bowl :thumbsup:


Well I didn't go for realism, just nice bright colours. As is quite natural for a reef.


Will have a go at the others later in the month, I also have my Martine portrait to work on.


This is a SO great work! I love it, totally love it! Colors, detailes, all of it!
Congratulations! :clap: :clap: :clap:

tyree
04-04-2009, 05:21 PM
:wave: orc....really love it...great vibrant colours!!!! .....:wave: robert....terrific study!!!! tyree

GOSH
04-04-2009, 11:46 PM
No mistake RG! Don't tell me I have to add modesty and humility to your lengthy list of characteristics and talents!:eek: :eek:

BILL:thumbsup: :wave:

I can vouch my middle finger on his characteristics and talents:evil: : I'm almost without skin on the tip of my finger because I basically destroyed my blender with the Wallis Sanded Paper and then I used the finger. He's been my inspiration today as I've been painting all day long. Waiting for HRH to come home. With his set of blenders.

Scarefishcrow
04-05-2009, 01:35 PM
I can vouch my middle finger on his characteristics and talents : I'm almost without skin on the tip of my finger because I basically destroyed my blender with the Wallis Sanded Paper and then I used the finger. He's been my inspiration today as I've been painting all day long. Waiting for HRH to come home. With his set of blenders.

Thanks, GOSH:lol: :lol:


I found some blenders in Michaels the other day. They actually are called "Paint Erasers" and in one of the craft sections/ They were in a set of 4, inexpensive and are "Donna Dewberry One Stroke" brand.

They had BLACK rubber tips that are considerably harder than the FIRM Colour Shapers you can buy in white (soft) or gray (firm). The set had 3 wedge shaped (#'s 0, 2, 5 and 1 pointed # 2). Thought some might be interested.

Will take quick pictures. Hold on a sec.......

OK:
Set with #6 color shaper Wedge and #2 color shaper wedge for comparison:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2009/108067-setcomp2.jpg

Same as above but showing tips:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2009/108067-settipcomp.jpg

Donna Dewberry One Stroke Set Whole:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2009/108067-set.jpg
Same as above; but just showing tips:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2009/108067-settip.jpg

Following pics show #2 color shaper firm wedge and #2 Donna Dewberry Paint Eraser tips with firm downward pressure on both tips of approximately equal force:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2009/108067-2sside.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2009/108067-2s.jpg

Same two as above side by side but flat:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2009/108067-2sflat.jpg

Herb
04-05-2009, 02:22 PM
Bill, I hope I'm not hijacking the Challenge thread, but I thought I would add to your previous post about the Donna Dewberry shapers. I appreciated your post because I've been debating whether the artist's color shapers would be harder or softer. I have been using the Donna Dewberry, too. Here's a shot of mine after a number of drawings, mostly on watercolor paper.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2009/71766-Shape_Tools.jpg

They have worn considerably. Each of the veiws shown above should be the width of the chisel tip. I have also noticed that they shed tiny black shavings in the drawing if you rub too hard. And they tend to collect the oil pastel and need to be cleaned. Still, they have served me well for the $9 or so that I paid for them.

The other two items are my current favorite blending tools. The black is a piece of polyurethane and the red is, I think, latex rubber that I liberated from work. I'm not sure what durometer these are but they have not shown any wear so far and the oil pastel wipes off very easily.

An industrial supply house isn't the first place most of us would look, but I think a 1/4" diameter by 6" long rod of the polyurethane might be a terrific tool that could be cut and shaped to suit. They are only about $8 plus shipping from McMaster-Carr. Look here: http://www.mcmaster.com/#polyurethane/=1be294. You may have to select "rods..." then "catalog pages" and scroll down to find the details on the rods.

Anyway... Back to the challenge.

GOSH
04-06-2009, 02:31 AM
I guess HRH is back home and I can safely say that I found the color shapers were at home after all, buried under piles of other art material, as he pointed out so pointgnantly:rolleyes:
So, here are two of my contributions for this month so far. And I am admiring ORC's coral reef. I didn't have the courage to tackle this subject so I got stuck with the grapes.
Wallis Sanded Paper, Senneliers (oops, I forgot which ones), and some skin of my finger, plus one color shaper gone bye-bye.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2009/143278-S7300573_.JPG
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Apr-2009/35760-143278-S7300566_.JPG
and this is how the second picture was before I decided to overdo it:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Apr-2009/35760-143278-S7300562_.JPG

Pat Isaac
04-06-2009, 07:59 AM
I turned your images around, I hope you don't mind. The grapes in the crystal bowl is looking great and I like how you have carried the color throughout the painting. I don't think you have overdone the the second one at all. I would lighten the leaves a little.

Pat

oldrockchick
04-06-2009, 10:44 AM
These look quite big? Actually I like the more advances fruit work. these are rather stunning and well worth the skin and bone thatyou sacrificed.

Scarefishcrow
04-06-2009, 01:46 PM
GOSH, you tackled the tough ones. The Fruit still lifes look good although I agree with Pat about the leaves!


BlLL:clap:

GOSH
04-06-2009, 09:21 PM
I turned your images around, I hope you don't mind. The grapes in the crystal bowl is looking great and I like how you have carried the color throughout the painting. I don't think you have overdone the the second one at all. I would lighten the leaves a little.

Pat

Thank you, Pat, I don't mind at all - I appreciate it. You are absolutely right on the mark: the grape leaves need some work. I am having trouble drawing and coloring leaves in every media I've been playing with and OPs are no exception. When I was a kid I could do them so much better :o Now all I can manage is a green blob instead of trees and bushes.
Thank you all for your reviews. I'm not the worlds greatest poster but I always pay attention to each month's challenge.

oldrockchick
04-06-2009, 09:26 PM
Ok I am going to try and post here, if I can. Frankenstein doesnt' have the software to resize and I had terrible trouble trying to post my Green Meanie yesterday.

This is my take on the grapes and Nectarines.


A4 sheet of Arches HP
Background was done with a very ligth colour application of OPs and wash.
Mostly Neopastesl with a couple of odd DRs and Senns
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Apr-2009/179312-April_OP_Nectarines__Grapes_in_a_bowl.jpg

GOSH
04-06-2009, 09:28 PM
GOSH, you tackled the tough ones. The Fruit still lifes look good although I agree with Pat about the leaves!


BlLL:clap:

Thanks, bill. I thought the tough one was the coral reef because it's so easy to make it unrecognizable with OPs. BTW, nice little blending tools tutorial.

GOSH
04-06-2009, 09:31 PM
Ok I am going to try and post here, if I can. Frankenstein doesnt' have the software to resize and I had terrible trouble trying to post my Green Meanie yesterday.

This is my take on the grapes and Nectarines.


A4 sheet of Arches HP
Background was done with a very ligth colour application of OPs and wash.
Mostly Neopastesl with a couple of odd DRs and Senns

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Apr-2009/179312-April_OP_Nectarines__Grapes_in_a_bowl.jpg

Damn, ORC! That is great! You got the texture of the glass tabletop and your composition is full of light and detail.

Weezy
04-07-2009, 11:31 AM
I love your fruit one! The table is wonderful! This is the one I would have done, had I the time.......well there's still month left, right? Maybe.......

But it'll have to go some to be as nice as this one!

Pat Isaac
04-07-2009, 11:55 AM
Really nice painting, Lin. You did such a great jb with a very difficult subject. The rendering of the table is fantastic, looks just like textured glass and the subtle color reflections are perfect....:thumbsup:

Pat

oldrockchick
04-07-2009, 02:35 PM
I'm so glad you like my work :D. I'm also glad I shelled out for the Neos.:)

Hardest I found in that pic were the grapes, I struggled to find just the colour I wanted and ended up using a mix of a crimsony red, black :eek:, a v dark blue and the deepest purple I had. I used a v light bluey grey sen from my portrait set for the bloom on them.

Will do the last piece later. I want to do one for the CP challenge and also try to get to finish Martine.

truck driver
04-07-2009, 04:00 PM
I guess HRH is back home and I can safely say that I found the color shapers were at home after all, buried under piles of other art material, as he pointed out so pointgnantly:rolleyes:


Umm if you are going to use my title plz use the full title thats

HI&RH

next. you decided to reorganize all the art supplies, and to list and detail yours. When you did that you removed a jar from the table, That jar had nib holders with nibs in it, and all of my colour shapers. What I dont understand is you destroyed yours, and are now looking for mine?

Leonardo Da Vinci, Called Michealangelo a plow hand over less :cool:

umm Michaels bill says.. down towards oregon city, you could have some pretty new paint erasers..


oh well.. hope to see you soon
RG

truck driver
04-07-2009, 04:04 PM
ORC, I think its lynn? right? hey look great work here Table is awesome.

RG

oldrockchick
04-07-2009, 07:24 PM
ORC, I think its lynn? right? hey look great work here Table is awesome.

RG
Lin , it is. Thanks

Keep on truckin':thumbsup:

robertsloan2
04-07-2009, 08:57 PM
Ok I am going to try and post here, if I can. Frankenstein doesnt' have the software to resize and I had terrible trouble trying to post my Green Meanie yesterday.

This is my take on the grapes and Nectarines.


A4 sheet of Arches HP
Background was done with a very ligth colour application of OPs and wash.
Mostly Neopastesl with a couple of odd DRs and Senns

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Apr-2009/179312-April_OP_Nectarines__Grapes_in_a_bowl.jpg

Lin, this is spectacular. I love the glass table. You captured its texture. You captured the sheen on the blue grapes. You captured the light. You captured the bowl's metal texture. You improved on the reference. This is gorgeous. I love it.

robertsloan2
04-07-2009, 09:01 PM
I guess HRH is back home and I can safely say that I found the color shapers were at home after all, buried under piles of other art material, as he pointed out so pointgnantly:rolleyes:
So, here are two of my contributions for this month so far. And I am admiring ORC's coral reef. I didn't have the courage to tackle this subject so I got stuck with the grapes.
Wallis Sanded Paper, Senneliers (oops, I forgot which ones), and some skin of my finger, plus one color shaper gone bye-bye.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2009/143278-S7300573_.JPG
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Apr-2009/35760-143278-S7300566_.JPG
and this is how the second picture was before I decided to overdo it:http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Apr-2009/35760-143278-S7300562_.JPG

Gosh, these are great. I can see why you got frustrated and think of the second one as overworked, but it should be possible to restore some of that looseness with a little scumbling if you let the Sennelier layers set up for a couple of days and then dash over them loosely with Senneliers to restore strong highlights.

Sometimes when something's overworked it's perfectly easy to save as long as you don't go heavy with the fix layers. Just touch in a few highlights, not much, and it'll get that freshness back IMO.

I do love the first version of it but think you can get that feel. I like the way you did the colors on the table, it's very jazzy in the second version.

Your grapes in crystal bowl are spectacular. You picked on the tough one and did wonders with it. Love that bowl!

robertsloan2
04-07-2009, 09:37 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Apr-2009/70184-ElkhornCoralNotan.jpg

Bad, inaccurate notan of the Majestic Elkhorn Coral, done partly just so that I wouldn't have an oil pastel sketch coming up under a delicate charcoal sketch that'd be harmed by oil seeping through. Still somewhat useful for identifying value areas even if the branches have some major errors. I can be more careful in doing the good OP version.

I might want to work larger than this 4" x 6" though. Start of a challenge piece. I hope posting sketches and notans is okay in this forum.

aolaranora
04-08-2009, 12:06 AM
Ok I am going to try and post here, if I can. Frankenstein doesnt' have the software to resize and I had terrible trouble trying to post my Green Meanie yesterday.

This is my take on the grapes and Nectarines.


A4 sheet of Arches HP
Background was done with a very ligth colour application of OPs and wash.
Mostly Neopastesl with a couple of odd DRs and Senns

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Apr-2009/179312-April_OP_Nectarines__Grapes_in_a_bowl.jpg


This is very beautiful painting, for sure one of my favorites!!! Congratulations!:clap: :clap: :clap: :thumbsup:

eshokler
04-08-2009, 06:00 PM
really nice!

Scarefishcrow
04-08-2009, 07:04 PM
Lin, so much for this "beginner" stuff! That is an incredible job on the grapes andnectarines!

:clap: :clap: :clap:
BILL

oldrockchick
04-08-2009, 08:50 PM
Well thank you all for the lovely comments.

Actually I was not happy with the nectarines as I think they look more like apples.
WhenI was doing the table I treated it as if it was water - like a swimming pool. In fact thats what I thought the first time I saw the ref pic. lol That it was a dish of fruit suspended over a pool:D

The grapes were a pain in the neck. I struggled to find the right colour. I need MORE OPs :lol: !!

As for beginner, well, I was when I first arrived, but I've done so much OP work since I got here, and now I have some new decent OPs, and got the hang of clay shapers, I guess I've progressed a little. I have sitll a LONG way to go to reach the standards of some of you pros.:wink2:

Certainly more than I ever could have done without all the help and enccouragement of you guys!

So thanks!!! :clap:

robertsloan2
04-09-2009, 12:12 AM
Well thank you all for the lovely comments.

Actually I was not happy with the nectarines as I think they look more like apples.
WhenI was doing the table I treated it as if it was water - like a swimming pool. In fact thats what I thought the first time I saw the ref pic. lol That it was a dish of fruit suspended over a pool:D

The grapes were a pain in the neck. I struggled to find the right colour. I need MORE OPs :lol: !!

As for beginner, well, I was when I first arrived, but I've done so much OP work since I got here, and now I have some new decent OPs, and got the hang of clay shapers, I guess I've progressed a little. I have sitll a LONG way to go to reach the standards of some of you pros.:wink2:

Certainly more than I ever could have done without all the help and enccouragement of you guys!

So thanks!!! :clap:

Good OPs help so much! But I disagree, your nectarines look like nectarines. Unless when you do apples they come out looking like nectarines, there is always that.

Of course you need More OPs. I need more OPs. Everyone needs more OPs. Bill has all the OPs and he needs more OPs too, which is why they need to make more OPs.

Scarefishcrow
04-09-2009, 11:38 AM
:thumbsup: Good OPs help so much! But I disagree, your nectarines look like nectarines. Unless when you do apples they come out looking like nectarines, there is always that.

Of course you need More OPs. I need more OPs. Everyone needs more OPs. Bill has all the OPs and he needs more OPs too, which is why they need to make more OPs.

Actually, Robert, to be honest we should probably change "need" to want!:lol:

We will always want more whether we "need" them or not. Of course it depends on how we define "need"!:lol:

Bill:)

robertsloan2
04-09-2009, 01:59 PM
Yep. You're right, Bill, it depends on definition of need. If they came out with two dozen new colors in Senneliers, especially good new lightfast colors, more quinacridones or something, then we'd need them. We'd wind up doing things that could only be done with those colors. Thus the word "need" as in "need for the work."

Not quite on a par with air or water or food but still need like work clothes or something. We would find real needs if they put out a 525 color range and there'd still be that teeth-gnashing moment of not finding the right hue in the right value for the mix that would be perfect. We just all always improvise and make do without colors we need.

The nuns defined "needs" as food & water, clothing, shelter and religion. Need has a lot to do with cultural values.

Scarefishcrow
04-10-2009, 12:10 AM
Very true, Robert. And our concept of Need changes over time and as circumstances change !

robertsloan2
04-10-2009, 01:01 AM
Very true, Robert. And our concept of Need changes over time and as circumstances change !

Yep. The better I get with them, the more I need. I thought I only needed 50 Holbeins but by the time I got around to getting them, was much happier with 100 of them. hehehe... it's fun though. It really is. Besides, you know they do sometimes sit around in labs thinking "I wonder if this weird chemical would make a pigment... nah, it killed the rats."

"Yeah, but they don't care if it's toxic, those artists are still using Cobalt and Cadmium."

"It killed the rats in the next building and gave superpowers to the colormen."

"Yeah, but they're glowing such a clean pure shade of violet. Maybe we can do something to mitigate the side effects..."

Scarefishcrow
04-10-2009, 06:34 PM
The thing is that as long as one educates themselves on the materials they use and handling safely, then the should have no problems. But one must learn about their materials.

BILL:cat:

christinemlr
04-12-2009, 02:15 PM
I am emerging, slowly, and probably briefly, from a period of intense house refurbishing. An out of the blue opportunity came along which couldn't be passed by. Closing my eyes and taking very large breath, I submerged myself in repairing and redecorating a spacious 3 bedroom flat in appalling state, (but not damp and basically sound). The great news is I now have a room dedicated to art,:) :) well I will have when I get finished. But the end is in sight now, and all the work has been well worth it.

Strangely the last week I have been feeling very low, and thinking about art has been like trying to remember a fading dream. Logging in to Wet Canvas is helping me recapture something of it. So here's my first piece, not finished really, I think it would be better to try again as I've got the drawing of it so wrong, Basically I just gave up it was so difficult. :(

I did an underpainting in watercolour (the table top is watercolour only) and I found this method to be an interesting way to work.

Done on basic white drawing paper A4 with Neopastels

I feel like I've lost everything i was learning and right back at step 1. but better to be on a step than off all together.

I have really been enjoying looking at everyone's work and reading all the posts over last days.

xina

Xina

robertsloan2
04-12-2009, 03:09 PM
Xina, despite the problems you have with it, this piece is gorgeous. I don't see any glaring dramatic problems and you caught the feel of the glass beautifully. Those dark grapes with their blue haze are wonderful. Your nectarines have a gorgeous shine and the bowl is nicely rounded.

I know sometimes it's inevitable to see only the flaws in your work, but this is beautiful in itself and it's okay to make changes from the reference. The ellipse on the bowl is nice and the glistening reflection on it is perfect.

If you feel a need to redo it, go ahead -- I'd love to see the picture in your mind and why you thought this one didn't work. But for me, I like this one exactly as it is. Beautiful painting of the grapes and nectarines!

Pat Isaac
04-12-2009, 03:11 PM
Hi Xina and welcome back....:wave: :wave: What an ambitious project you undertook, but a room for art is a plus...
I think you did a great job with a very difficult subject and you definitely have not lost it all.....I find that under paintings are a great boon and help a lot in the finished paintings. You have good modeling of the fruit and nice strong color.

Pat

JTMB
04-12-2009, 04:14 PM
Hi everyone,

It's been some time since I posted in this channel, as I'm working on a couple of other mediums as well, but here goes. I like doing the monthly challenges in several forums as self-imposed homework to get out of my comfort zone (to the extent that I actually have any yet!) and this month's certainly did that. Still lifes are a challenge for me and so probably something I should spend more time on. Anyway, this one is 9x12" on Bristol vellum using Senns. C&C welcome.

John
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Apr-2009/165640-1415-S3-StillLifeOPChallengeAprilWC-Apr,09-WS.jpg

oldrockchick
04-12-2009, 04:40 PM
Xina - I can't see anythign wrong with your work. It's beautiful. I like the effect produced from using the OPs for the main work over the wc. Very original.
It is fantastic that you now have a room for art. Now you have space and can organise yourself you will soon get back into the swing of things. I have done so much since visinting WC as I have done projects Iwouldn't normally do and forced myself to finish them. You may be feeling a little lost at first after your time out and all your work, but think.... most of the best artists in history had to make sacrifices for their art!


John - Nice piece, bright and cheerful :)

Pat Isaac
04-12-2009, 06:57 PM
I do love the cheeriness of this painting and you have nice bright color. I like the reflections in the bowl and on the table. This is a difficult piece and I think you did a fine job.
Don't be a stranger, nice to see you back.

Pat

christinemlr
04-13-2009, 04:22 AM
Thank you Robert, Pat and Lin for your positive comments. It feels so good to be back participating again. There's LOADS I want to have a go at, but SO short of time...

John, sorry I can't find anything to critique here. What I really like are the strong shapes throughout, I can see some really nice negative shapes. Is this a natural ability or have you worked at it? Its something I'm really bad at.
xina

Spice3514
04-13-2009, 05:29 AM
Hi everyone,
I thought I would try the April challenge and here is my first attempt. I like most of my grape colours, but I've never tried to paint crystal before and found that very hard, but I think I noticed an archived thread somewhere on painting glass so I'll look at that for advice.
My drawing skills are not so good, so I have to confess that I traced this out in order to get the position of the grapes right.
Hope thats OK - I am continuing to practice!

Fabulous nectarines and grapes everyone - I really love the way that different styles somehow bring out a different aspect of the subject.

Robert - thank you for the photos and for making me try something different.

Canson Mi-teintes white paper; pastels Faber Castell with Neopastel and Sennelier on top. 10.5 x 8 ins.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Apr-2009/183415-Grapes-with-crystal-bowl-OP.jpg

christinemlr
04-13-2009, 06:05 AM
Wow Brenda, what a lovely translucency you've achieved with those grapes.
I've been looking at this ref too and can't figure out how to even attempt that cut glass, you've done really well with this. I'm curious about the Faber Castell pastels, I didn't know they did OPs or were they the other type? Is it possible to use OPs on top of soft pastels/charcoal? Must experiment and find out.
xina

Spice3514
04-13-2009, 07:26 AM
Hi Xina,

Thanks, I'm coming round to think that orange/terracotta/ochre is my favourite colour because you can achieve good luminousity with it.

The pastels are Faber Castell Creative Studio Oil Pastels (They describe themselves as Studio quality oil pastels, and their ad. says "Excellent value for students and aspiring artists"). They are relatively hard, though I didnt know that when I got them, and fairly cheap but I think they have a nice range of colours (I've got the set of 36). Bought in my local art shop. After trying a few Neopastels - I bought just a few colours online to try - I have ordered a set of 48 and I these will be a lot easier to work with. I just hope they come with a nice vivid orange/ terracotta.

Isnt it a nice day today? What am I doing on this computer? The garden calls.

I hope all goes well with your flat and do enjoy your dedicated art space. I've just had a new utility room installed and its turned out to be perfect for doing OP work.

Best regards, Brenda

Pat Isaac
04-13-2009, 08:51 AM
Brenda, what a great first attempt. You have really captured the light in this subject and the glass looks like crystal. Glass is just a matter of shapes and values. If you just look at those it ends up looking like glass.
I'm not sure OPs would work over the softies. I would think the OPs would just push the pastel around as it is a soft surface.
Hope you join us again, Brenda.

Pat

oldrockchick
04-13-2009, 10:17 AM
Brenda that is really good and the grapes have a lovely luminosity, like light passign through them. Wonderful. I havent' done this piece yet and still no idea how to do the glass.


Re OPs...

No oil pastels really do not adhere well over 'dusties' or any powdery medium, although excessively soft ones like Senns might get a little bit of adherence.
They do work over water colours and water colour pencil washes though and also ink.

I worked for over a year using purely 'student' grade pastels. They are harder because they contain more binder and less pigment. Artists tend to be softer and Sennelier are so soft that I sometimes only use them for top layers as they can be tricky to overlay.

Others may argue, but as one who has had to work with purely student pastles for so long I feel all grades and hardnesses have their merit.

Harder student ones are great for underdrawings and blocking in and to make as an underlayer wash with turpentine. They can also be 'crumbed' for textural effects. (One technique I like to use.) ( I skim bits off with a blade, mix them up them squish them on with a shaper - good for pebbles stones etc.) I have done a lot of work with Student grades. Now as I have progressed and would like to be more adventurous, and maybe even start to do some more archival work I only just moved up to Neopastels and Senns, starting with smaller sets to see how I like them.

I am on a limited budget, so I mostly actually use students for washes and underlayers, before then applying the better ones, and finally topping off with Sennelier.

I guess it is simialr to oil painting techniques (my first medium is oil painting), where a 'fat over lean' approach is needed. Lay down harder fist and get progressively softer.

Many of the more experienced people here will have different views, but like an old Indian saying... 'there are as many recipes for Garam Masala as there are Indian chefs'!

A good, but inexpensive range that can be bought in open stock from art shops and Jacksons on line are the Daler Rowney Artists. good lightfast, excellent range, includding tints, good lightfastness and very workable. Slightly harder than Neopastels but softer and better quality than Student Grades. Up until recently I have happily been working with a make called 'Gallery Inscribe', these produce a sort of intermediate between artists and high-grade students and are probably on a par with the FBs. Mine have now worn down to stubs lol

Some of the ones our American friends prfer are either not available in the UK, or only worth the considerable import duties and expense if you intend to perhaps display or sell your work.

Also in the last 4 months I have started to use 'Clay Shapers'. these are great for fine detail, blending, effects and pushing pastel around. Might be worth investing in some but I suggest you get the black tipped 'Ex-Firm' as they both last longer, and work better with the harder pastels that you have.

I though as I have been Oil-pastelling about 18 months now that I could pass on my experiences with OPs available in the UK.


....and it's cool to have some more Brits aboard :clap:

Spice3514
04-13-2009, 11:07 AM
Dear ORC / Lin,
Thank you for the helpful post. As a Brit, I am finding it hard to track down some of the products mentioned in WC so the recommendation of Daler Rowney is very helpful (at 0.55 per stick, this is good value).

Did you ever find any 'oil pastel pencils' which I've heard mentioned? I think Pat Isaac is a fan of Walnut Hollow, but I have not found them, or anything sounding similar, anywhere online in the UK (and I'd like as much help as possible for creating detail).

Thanks for mentioning clay shapers. I have one dark grey wedge shaped colour shaper which I use all the time, so this is something to expand on.

Brenda

Spice3514
04-13-2009, 11:13 AM
Dear Pat,
Thank you for your words of encouragement on this piece (and also your advice on my orchid pic. in another thread). I REALLY appreciate this. I'm hoping to improve over time ....
BTW IRL it doesnt look like crystal, but its on my list of 'could do better' topics which need to be addressed.
Have a good Easter (dont you ever take a day off?).
Kind regards
Brenda

oldrockchick
04-13-2009, 11:23 AM
Dear ORC / Lin,
Thank you for the helpful post. As a Brit, I am finding it hard to track down some of the products mentioned in WC so the recommendation of Daler Rowney is very helpful (at 0.55 per stick, this is good value).

Did you ever find any 'oil pastel pencils' which I've heard mentioned? I think Pat Isaac is a fan of Walnut Hollow, but I have not found them, or anything sounding similar, anywhere online in the UK (and I'd like as much help as possible for creating detail).

Thanks for mentioning clay shapers. I have one dark grey wedge shaped colour shaper which I use all the time, so this is something to expand on.

Brenda

Yes I heard them discussing 'Oil Pencils' and was on the hunt. We discussed it on this thread

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=545429

You will need to go to the last couple of pages as it is very long and indulgent, but somewhat amusing. You might find info re other comparible products there amongst all the banter too.

I have now deduced that there are 2 suitable at a reasonable price in the UK.

the Lyra and ones I found the Poly Chromos. I also found a good place to buy them over 30 GBP cheaper than anywhere else. So I will be jumping in when my monthly money goes in next Tuesday :lol:

They seem like ordinary Coloured Pencils and I worked hard to try to get the right descriptions. Even from the Company's own product site it isn't easy.

Bill, Robert and Howard helped put me right though and suggested some and I reckoned I would give these a try... I'll post the link in a minute. I do suggest you check out the art supply thread though as you may lean to one of the other suggestions.

http://www.faber-castell.com.au/19138/Products/Fine-Art-Hobby/POLYCHROMOS-Colour-Pencils/default_news.aspx

55 GBP for tin of 60 RRP is abotu 80

Hope this helps

robertsloan2
04-13-2009, 12:48 PM
John, congratulations on that bright, lovely still life with all the interesting reflections on the metal bowl. It's cheery and I love the way you simplified the background, that made the grapes and nectarines more dramatic. Nice reflections on glass too.

Brenda, your grapes are gorgeous. Crystal's not too bad though if you're looking for hard-edged perfection in rendering crystal it takes a noodly sketch and colour shapers and all sorts of trouble. It gives a good impression of the crystal as it is but I know the sorts of things you're striving for and that's tough.

Lin did a good job describing all the products you can find in the UK easily. Walnut Hollow pencils are great but they're a USA product. Lyra Rembrandt and Polychromos are both good, the Lyras come closer to the Walnut Hollow texture.

I've got a good earth red in my 48 color set plus a lovely range of bright oranges and an orangish yellow that's good and light. It's frustrating not to have a true yellow ochre but I found that I could mix colors better with the Neopastels than many other brands.

48 color set has a full spectrum of brights with many intermediate hues, some great darks and a spectrum of tints that are very light and help a lot when trying to get the right color in the right value. Lots of greens too for landscapes.

Spice3514
04-14-2009, 02:14 AM
Robert and Lin, thank you very much for all the advice. I'm interested to hear what you think of the Polychromos Lin, when you get them. I'm looking for something to use with the OPs for details.

Back to work today, so I have to return the laptop and revert to normal mode. Hope to do some more OP work this week and post again next weekend.

Best wishes to you all.

Scarefishcrow
04-15-2009, 02:43 AM
Brenda, You did an excellent job on your grapes and crystal!

John, I like the bold and bright colors your painting sings with!

Xina, Your painting looks very nice! Remember, there probably is NEVER a painting that can't be made better. That's not the point. I kind of like to think of it as playing golf, which I'm not good at. Rather than get hung up on the overall score I have, I try to think of each shot as a challenge and goal and no matter how many it takes for a hole, if I made some pretty good shots getting there then I'm happy.

I totally understand how you feel and get caught in the same slump sometimes of having so many ideas and not being able to do them all and getting frustrated and feeling I've "lost" it.

I'm setting up a studio and know how much work that is as well. You haven't lost it, you are not alone in feeling at "loose ends" from time to time. And with or without some painting to post, you are always welcome here among your OP family just to comment or just say hello and touch base with folks that understand!

It is good to see you back. Have been thinking about you!

Bill:clap: :wave: :heart: :music: :heart:

truck driver
04-15-2009, 02:58 AM
Hi Xina,

Thanks, I'm coming round to think that orange/terracotta/ochre is my favourite colour because you can achieve good luminousity with it.

The pastels are Faber Castell Creative Studio Oil Pastels (They describe themselves as Studio quality oil pastels, and their ad. says "Excellent value for students and aspiring artists"). They are relatively hard, though I didnt know that when I got them, and fairly cheap but I think they have a nice range of colours (I've got the set of 36). Bought in my local art shop. After trying a few Neopastels - I bought just a few colours online to try - I have ordered a set of 48 and I these will be a lot easier to work with. I just hope they come with a nice vivid orange/ terracotta.

Isnt it a nice day today? What am I doing on this computer? The garden calls.

I hope all goes well with your flat and do enjoy your dedicated art space. I've just had a new utility room installed and its turned out to be perfect for doing OP work.

Best regards, Brenda

I like the faber castell's though they are much harder to blend than the senns, and holbeins.

rg

oldrockchick
04-15-2009, 08:30 PM
Well guys, as i got as much doen on my Arch WIP, and as I had OPs out all over my desk I thought I'd do the final image from this month's OP challenge:

Grapes by MustCreate

Oil Pastel on Arches HP paper
Neopastels and Senneliers

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Apr-2009/179312-April_OP_Grapes_finished.jpg

robertsloan2
04-15-2009, 09:04 PM
Lin, that is spectacular! I love the way you captured the highlights within the shadows, the light in this is gorgeous. The crystal is spot-on perfect and the grapes shine from within. Go you! Whoohoo this is great!

Pat Isaac
04-15-2009, 09:58 PM
Wonderful painting, Lin. The crystal sparkles and you really captured the feeling of light.

Pat

Scarefishcrow
04-16-2009, 12:35 AM
Lin, your painting is so beautiful I'm not sure I want to post my sketch of the grapes and nectarines. But, why not!

This was done ENTIRELY FREEHAND, sketched WITHOUT reference to the RI since yesterday, so based entirely on my memory of the still life, thus it is more of a study than painting! Done on standard 11x15 Canson Field Sketchbook paper with initial sketch using Derwent Graphtint pencils then colored with initial blocks of Holbein neutrals.

The shapes wer modeled quickly using a combination of Specialists and Neopastels, and some Erengi and and Erengi blender stick.


The entire process took about 1 to 1-1/2 hours from memory sketch to this point!

I did not attempt to refine any of the shadow patterns since my memory was beginning to be stressed at this point!

C&C welcome.

Bill:wave:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Apr-2009/108067-smallgn.jpg

Pat Isaac
04-16-2009, 07:31 AM
I do like your interpretation of this still life. It has a totally different feel to it and I like the strong color and added composition pieces. Has somewhat of a Cezanne feel.

Pat

Scarefishcrow
04-16-2009, 10:41 AM
I do like your interpretation of this still life. It has a totally different feel to it and I like the strong color and added composition pieces. Has somewhat of a Cezanne feel.

Pat

Thanks, Pat. My objective wasn't just to rush, but strangely I wanted to see if I could do something remotely recognizable from just my memory of the reference without being bound to it as I always try to do.

There are certainly some flaws, such as the world's largest cluster of grapes, but was surprised at what I could do freehand. I NEVER could have done this when I started here last year!


Bill:wave:

oldrockchick
04-16-2009, 10:47 AM
Wow Bill. You have a better memory than I do! Doing it this way is cool because we get a different composition. You have extrapolated the environment very effectively.

Rather than see us all do the same almost verbatim composition you have expanded it to somethign different. The pictures arre after all a REFERENCE, not carves in stone so we have the freedom to use it as just a reference and do our own thing, which you have.

i wish I could interpret so well - and from memory. I have a compulsion for accuracy that borders on the obsessive and I envy anyone who can expand beyond the confines of what is seen.

I agree with Pat - it does have a Cezanne-like feel to it.

robertsloan2
04-16-2009, 12:48 PM
Wow, Bill! I am impressed that you did this entirely from memory. It looks good. I like some of the changes you made to the composition including the world's largest pile of grapes -- that's one of the cool things you added. It reminds me of some long-ago summer fruit bowls when we'd just gotten a ton of grapes from the store and nectarines and other fruit and would pile it up in a bowl on the kitchen table -- it's very real that way, they lay solidly on the other fruit.

Also, another point -- your ellipses on the bowl are spot on perfect!!

I know you've had trouble with ellipses in the past, but that metal bowl just sings. The ellipses are perfect and so it has great three dimensional depth. Also really like the metallic effects you got.

Very cool painting especially since you stuck your neck out doing it entirely from memory!

Scarefishcrow
04-16-2009, 03:56 PM
Lin and Robert,

Thank you both for you very kind comments. I really didn't set out to even do this last night but was lying in bed and had this big sketchbook and wondered if I could do an even recognizable work. I remembered the "big" things and tidbits of the basic background and just worked from that.

Interestingly, Robert, I started with the bowl because I couldn't see how I would ever get it. I have to say that it is one of the things I am most pleased with. Your noticing the ellipses is gratifying.

I knew I couldn't create the detail and simply didn't try, but went instead for suggesting forms and once done leaving them alone.

The major things I had trouble with was getting the grapes in reasonable perspective (although drawing the cluster was surprisingly simpler than I though, just overlapping imperfect circles and ellipses with some empty space here and there. The color needed a bit more red to give more of a purple feel than the dark navy blue and the stems somewhat disappeared as dark masses.

I didn't even try to remember exact positions or sizes of nectarines but basically placed overlapping circles initially filled with an appropriate orange more or less uniformly then used the blender stick over most part of the composition.

Then I dropped some random reddish tones and lightly smudged them into the orange of the tangerines.

The table ellipse did give me much trouble and I added some "swooshes" of green to the right to suggest some sort of foilage there, russet on the ground suggested a bricked patio and then the wall in the back with a couple of generic bushes for some midground.

Your comparison with Cezanned is flattering, but I don't think I'll be knocking him out of the museums anytime soon.:lol:

I have to say that this was sort of spur of the moment and never even thought I would post it. I see things that I would change, but I frankly surprised myself at what I was able to do completely from memory (although I have been looking at that reference for quite some time and thinking about it).

I'm glad you think it is presentable as a study. I enjoyed doing it quite well and felt I was expressing my "impressions" rather than trying to create a picture of the picture (not that there is anything wrong with that either).

I agree, Lin, this is what makes the challenge so interesting is that we get to "look through other people's eyes at the same objects and get an idea of how they each see them slightly differently!

Thank you all for you kind words!

Bill:wave: :heart: :music: :music: :heart:

gakinme
04-17-2009, 01:18 PM
Thank you, Robert, for the reference photos. The grapes from all of you are so good. I have a hard time getting it translucent like some of your work here.

Here's my attempt. Cray Pas Junior oil pastel on Japanese brown wrapping paper.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Apr-2009/86669-op_grapes.JPG

I like my photoshop version better.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Apr-2009/86669-op_grapes_PS.JPG

Lin, so you are the only one so far who tackled the reefs! Very nice reef. I could feel the current swishing around me. I couldn't tell it's oil pastel because it is so fluid in the background, all those stringy seaweeds! Very nice interpretation.

Shirl Parker
04-17-2009, 02:24 PM
I like your photoshop version too :thumbsup:

Pat Isaac
04-17-2009, 03:50 PM
Me too....but I also like the OP version and what a nice crop of the ref picture.

Pat

robertsloan2
04-17-2009, 06:01 PM
Sandra, you did achieve translucent luminosity in your oil pastel grapes! Though I like your photoshop variations, this time my favorite is the OP version. It's gorgeous.

Bill, on looking at yours again I can see what the problem with the table ellipse is. The table is parallel to the top of the bowl. Therefore the ellipse of the tabletop would be the same as the bowl top edge, not the bottom edge. The next time you do something like that, it may help when constructing something you remember.

christinemlr
04-17-2009, 06:40 PM
I have been very much enjoying these challenge posts.

Bill - Thank you for your warm words to me. I'm so happy to be back working with my OPs again even if only in short bursts as yet. But especially thank you for posting your absolutely lovely painting. (I also saw Cezanne in it when I saw it) And brave indeed to do a memory piece. What you write, about how you set about this and worked on it, is really interesting. And here is a true lesson about art, how to see, imagine, visualise and interpret with colour and strokes of hand. Like you say, a swoosh here and some smudges there, and its the world of creation all vibrant and alive. I really love this painting.

Lin - your crystal and grapes are just stunning. I just don't know how you did this, and it looks so fresh and bright as if it was no labour to you at all. A very gorgeous piece.

Sandra - I'm going to disagree with others here for I prefer the painting to the graphic photoshop. The colours in your painting are so much more subtle and interesting. Two things about it though, the grapes are all a bit separate, which makes them look odd, because grapes like to cluster, so maybe thats why the photoshop one seems to work in its 2D form. I just wonder if you warmed it up and just did a touch of blending to decrease the lines a little you might get more of the effect you were after. I think you have delineated the round form of the grapes with the lines, but they are too many and too distinct. IMHO

:thumbsup: great work everyone

Scarefishcrow
04-17-2009, 06:45 PM
Thanks Xina, Robert, and everyone for your kind words and advice.

Sandra, I like both, but I really like the OP version like Xina!!

Bill:clap:

christinemlr
04-17-2009, 06:50 PM
Robert, you have a good eye and good understanding of these technical aspects. I couldn't have worked that out at all, only thing is I only half understand what you are saying about that table ellipse. I'm trying to get what you mean. Looking again at Bills painting though, I'm wondering, with this kind of imaginative work, getting it technically right doesn't matter. I think the circular SHAPE of the table is great in the composition, I can't imagine it any other way.

gakinme
04-17-2009, 06:52 PM
Thank you, Shirl, Pat, Robert, Bill and Xina, for your comments.

I sprayed it with final fixative because I don't want to do anymore of it. The paper was too smooth and I had too many layers on and it just got worse and worse as I blended it with my finger. Yeah, next time, I should cluster them a bit closer. But if you stay around 10 feet away from the monitor, it would look slightly better. LOL.

Scarefishcrow
04-17-2009, 06:58 PM
Thanks again, Xina!

Bill:wave:

truck driver
04-18-2009, 02:59 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Apr-2009/136518-grape1-overlay.jpg

My drawing of the grapes overlayed on the image, i'm working on getting the colors of the grapes right on a seperate piece of paper..

RG

Mario V
04-18-2009, 07:41 AM
hello oil pastelists :wave:

I haven't posted here in a while, but the works here were so inspirational that I could not resist this time :D:D:D

Thanks Rob for hosting and for the great selection.

I used student grade Louvre OP on Sanfix sanded paper. Size is 9x11"

C&C welcome. thanks for looking

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Apr-2009/133719-0904op_grozdje.jpg

Pat Isaac
04-18-2009, 07:45 AM
Nice to see your post, Mario and glad you joined us. This is a wonderful painting of the grapes and you did a great job with the crystal. Nice sense of light.
Looking forward to the grapes, RG.

Pat

oldrockchick
04-18-2009, 09:14 AM
Hello Mario :wave:
Nice to meet you

Lovely rendition there of the hardest of the refs :thumbsup:
I love the colours of the bowl

Can't wait to see your version RG

Shirl Parker
04-18-2009, 10:08 AM
Well done, Mario.

Scarefishcrow
04-18-2009, 03:42 PM
Mario, this is a lovely job. I'm glad you have dropped in again. Welcome back and hope you will share some more works with us. If it has been a while since you posted, things have been reorganized a bit. Just in case you need an overview of how things are organized or quick links to forums and other info I'll give it below:

Just to help you get oriented to this place, click on the link in my signature line called <GO FIRST> (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7172380&postcount=1) and it will take you to a thread that contains links and overviews of all the subforums in this Channel and what is in each one. There are also links to basic OP info and guidelines about posting, critiques, etc.

The following link contains an annotated list of links by topic discussed for recent threads that deal with issues commonly asked by people starting out in OP. Looking through those with give you some additional insight into materials, techniques and various issues dealing with OP:

<FAQs LINKS> (http://wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7494753&postcount=1)

That should save you some time searching around.

This place is great because there are people of all experience levels and we try to have everyone help everyone else. So if there is any way we can help, we will do our best to assist you.

If you have any questions, just start a thread in the OP Talk (http://wetcanvas.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=432)forum and ask away. In the OP Talk forum is a weekly thread called the Oil Gusher which is a thread started each Monday that is a"no topic" thread. People can just say hi, let others know what's going on in their life, catch up on what going on with others, or just meet folks.

Hope you share the fun of working in OP with us! Lots of
Look forward to seeing your work around the forum!!

Welcome to the OP Family!

Bill:thumbsup:



hello oil pastelists :wave:

I haven't posted here in a while, but the works here were so inspirational that I could not resist this time :D:D:D

Thanks Rob for hosting and for the great selection.

I used student grade Louvre OP on Sanfix sanded paper. Size is 9x11"

C&C welcome. thanks for looking

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Apr-2009/133719-0904op_grozdje.jpg

Scarefishcrow
04-18-2009, 03:42 PM
Looking forward to seeing this develop, RG. :clap:


Bill:wave:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Apr-2009/136518-grape1-overlay.jpg

My drawing of the grapes overlayed on the image, i'm working on getting the colors of the grapes right on a seperate piece of paper..

RG

robertsloan2
04-19-2009, 06:16 AM
RG, your sketch is so impressively accurate. That's great! You're taking your time with this one and I know it's going to come out well. With this approach even the crystal won't be too insane for you.

Mario, that is breathtaking. I love the way you handled the crystal, the luminous quality you brought to it and that soft pale cool light is wonderful. Your grapes are gorgeous too. This painting is so good you deserve to win a big box of Senneliers for it somewhere or something like that. Sanded surfaces are so great to work on, it helps a lot to layer.

I tried the Louvre and this is even more impressive given their texture. Wow.

Spice3514
04-19-2009, 01:53 PM
Dear everyone,
I am afraid I dont have a finished work to show you but I wanted to put something up this weekend, so here is the first painted layer of the nectarines and grapes picture (if this isnt appropriate, Pat, let me know). It took me ages to draw this out (this time, I drew a grid over the original picture and used that to scale it up onto my paper).

Lin and Mario - I wanted to say that your grapes/crystal paintings were really excellent - I am especially going to study how you both achieved your wonderful crystal. I find it easier to see how its possible to represent the structure of the glass from your painted versions than from the original photo.

I will struggle on with the nectarines/grapes.

Faber Castel OPs on Canson Mi-Teintes white paper. 8.5 x 11 inches.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Apr-2009/183415-Grapes-and-nectarines-first.jpg

robertsloan2
04-19-2009, 02:41 PM
Excellent use of the grid method, Brenda! I love the reflections on the table, you captured the look of the glass well. Also the look of the bowl and the interesting base it's sitting in. Good painting! Looking forward to seeing your next one.

Pat Isaac
04-19-2009, 03:32 PM
It is perfectly fine to post a work in progress. Nice job with the drawing and beginning stages. Looking forward to your progress.

Pat

sundiver
04-19-2009, 10:05 PM
I saved an image and worked on it bit by bit. I didn't want to peek in here in case I was too influenced by what I saw . Which means that now I'm over 100 posts late!:eek:
I just had a very pleasant browse through the thread and want to say kudos to all participants!:clap: :clap: :clap:
I'm especially impressed by people like oldrockchick, robert, spice and GOSH who did two or even all three of the images! There are wonderful versions of the peaches by Xina, John (like the strokework!), and Bill (from memory, holey-moley!). I like the pinks on Sandra's grapes(and the digis too) and the translucency of Mario's grapes, and am looking forward to RG's.
I did the crystal-and-grapes maybe 5 years ago in some WetCanvas event or other, maybe a Pastel Strokes before we OPies had our own forum. I don't know where it went; think I sold it.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Apr-2009/6393-crapes_old_drw_event.jpg
The grapes I did this past week or so on dark red suede paper, 8x10.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Apr-2009/6393-Apr_OP_challenge_grapes_and_peaches.jpg

robertsloan2
04-19-2009, 10:47 PM
Wendy, both of these take my breath away! Thank you so much for your comments. Yours are well worth waiting for! I may do another one later on, the one with the reef still calls to me but I haven't gotten a day good enough to really focus on it yet.

Scarefishcrow
04-19-2009, 11:12 PM
Brenda, you have a wonderful start to your painting! Looking forward to seeing how it develops.

Wendy-These days you miss a day of two and good luck catching up with everyone. Thanks for looking and commenting. Some great works and all sorts of different takes!

Yours are, as always, so well done. I had fun doing the memory thing and was weird to see how I remembered relative sizes compared to the real thing. It was surprising how much better I did than I thought I would!

Bill:clap:

Pat Isaac
04-20-2009, 07:28 AM
Thanks for dropping in Wendy and these are stunning. I like the crop of the grapes and crystal and the still like is perfect on that paper. A nice rich feel.

Pat

oldrockchick
04-20-2009, 08:43 AM
The grapes I did this past week or so on dark red suede paper, 8x10.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Apr-2009/6393-Apr_OP_challenge_grapes_and_peaches.jpg

This is absolutely wonderful! That paper/ background has helped to give the whole thing a beautifully soft but realistic look.

I am not familiar with the paper, but if it is suede it must have been hard to work OPs on it. fantastic effect though.

Shirl Parker
04-20-2009, 10:15 AM
Wendy, great and greater.

truck driver
04-21-2009, 02:16 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Apr-2009/136518-S7300622_800x600.JPG



O.K. Not the greatest picture in the world, batteries went dead on the camera, and I havent installed a scanner driver yet.

7X9 watercolor paper, senneliers, and a whole lot of time..


RG

Pat Isaac
04-21-2009, 07:40 AM
This is just great, RG. You really have captured the grape color and the feeling of light.

Pat

Scarefishcrow
04-21-2009, 09:45 AM
RG, I think it is one of best! It really caught the sense of light behind the grapes!

Bill:clap: :clap: :clap:

robertsloan2
04-21-2009, 09:50 AM
RG, this is one of the best. I love how you captured the crystal and light, the grapes are luminous and translucent. Your warm color cast is inviting and lush. Beautiful rendering! Wow!

The photo is a touch blurry but the painting is spectacular. Go you!

oldrockchick
04-21-2009, 12:43 PM
Beautiful and natural grape colours RG :thumbsup:

truck driver
04-21-2009, 03:51 PM
I'm glad y'all liked the colors. I used the following:
9"x7" watercolor paper 130lbs
Palette knife
Pencil
Resin Gel

And a whole bunch of Senneliers:

#11 Blue Grey
#15 Brown Grey
#3 Cerulan Blue
#23 Black
#1 White
#217 Cobalt violet light
#76 Violet Alizarin Lake
#13 Yellow Grey
#4 Cobalt Blue
#203 Delft Blue
#21 Naples Yellow
#7 Prussian Blue
#207 Ash Blue
#30 Red Deep
#31 Ruby Red
#18 Bright Yellow
#205 Moss Green
#223 light Grey

The Picture doesnt do it any where near justice: per GOSH

RG

sundiver
04-21-2009, 08:35 PM
RG, my mouth literally watered when I saw those juicy-looking grapes!

truck driver
04-21-2009, 11:20 PM
Thanks for all the great comments.

RG

Spice3514
04-22-2009, 10:05 AM
Dear everyone,

OK, so I'm not supposed to be posting during the week because I'm actually at work ... but here goes.

First of all, congratulations on wonderful pictures to Wendy and RG.
Wendy - I am amazed at the tactile effect you have got on the fruit, I feel I can actually touch it. How hard is it to work on 'suede paper'? (which I have nevery heard of) and does the OP stay on, or rub off easily, or do you fix it?
RG - I love the grapes colour, its so very transluscent almost luminous. You listed a lot of pastel colours but it looks so very fresh.

Finished the grapes/nectaries last night - or at least stopped work. Grape colours were a nightmare as I just couldnt decided whether to go with purple, blue, black, dark red .... and just ended up dabbing on lots of colours almost at random.

Anyway here it is and thank you for looking.

Mostly Neopastels now, with a few Senneliers on highlights. Canson Mi-Teintes white paper, 8.5 x 11 inches.

Here is my underpainting, followed by the final.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Apr-2009/183415-Grapes-and-nectarines-first.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Apr-2009/183415-Grapes-and-nectarines-OP-Ap.jpg

I MIGHT try the underwater scene, but very sketchily and not do detail - I have a sort of plan involving the iron (and I would like to thank CJ Crichton-Kelly for that tip).

oldrockchick
04-22-2009, 12:22 PM
Oh Brenda this is REALLY good. I especially like the reflections and texture of the glass table and on the bowl. The lovely rich deep colours of the nectarines complement the grapes and hint of blue of the table.

Beautiful :thumbsup:

GhettoDaveyHavok
04-22-2009, 12:51 PM
i should never be too late to be checking these challenge threads... cus im missing out on too much beautiful works! :eek:

Spice3514
04-22-2009, 01:32 PM
Hi Lin,
Thank you so much, that means a lot to me.
:)

Pat Isaac
04-22-2009, 03:24 PM
What a beautiful finish, Brenda. I like your nice strong color and the table reflections are fantastic.

Pat

truck driver
04-22-2009, 04:14 PM
Each grape contains no more than 3 colors. But there is a lot of variation in the grapes.

RG

robertsloan2
04-22-2009, 10:30 PM
Brenda, that is a gorgeous finish! I love the way you transformed your underpainting into such a rich, beautiful painting. Well done!

Scarefishcrow
04-23-2009, 12:35 AM
Brenda,

Your piece is great and, as Lin mentioned, you did a great job with the table reflections and texture!

Bill:thumbsup:

paul444
04-23-2009, 10:03 AM
Hi everyone, some really impressive work done this month, well done to all.
I have started this really late in the month so I'm not sure how far I will get, hopefully I'll be able to finish on time.
Any way this is how far I have got so far.
C & C Welcome.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Apr-2009/82968-2009_0423photosnew0003_2.jpg

oldrockchick
04-23-2009, 11:22 AM
Looking fine to me so far Paul :)

Scarefishcrow
04-23-2009, 11:55 AM
I think your piece is look great, Paul. Really captures that translucency of the grapes.

Bill:clap:

Pat Isaac
04-23-2009, 03:04 PM
this sure is a great start.....fantastic grapes both in color and translucency.

Pat

robertsloan2
04-23-2009, 05:10 PM
Paul, those grapes are magnificent. I love the light filtering through them and the way you varied the colors on each grape so that they are so vibrantly real. Can't wait to see what you do with the crystal!

Spice3514
04-25-2009, 08:51 AM
Dear everyone,
Here is my attempt at the elkhorn coral ref.

My original plan did not work out - I traced it out (roughly) in reverse, then put thick OP over the tracing, then tried ironing it on the other side hoping to transfer across a very hazy image which would now be in the right orientation. Failed! the pastels didnt transfer.

So then I quickly drew it again very sketchily and layered lots of thick colour in roughly the right places. Then laid greaseproof paper over the top and ironed it. This seems to melt out some of the oil in the OP and blurs the image a little though not by much. (CJ Crichton-Kelly mentioned this as a method to set underlayers - I dont suppose I'm telling you anything you dont know, but I thought it sounded like a good short-cut to try instead of leaving the paint to set overnight).

This is the result

Canson Mi-teintes white paper, all Neopastels, 11 x 9 inches.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Apr-2009/183415-Elkhorn-coral2-OP--Apr-09.jpg

Now I will wait to see what May brings ...

Thank you for looking.

oldrockchick
04-25-2009, 10:16 AM
Interesting effect. Very soft. Lovely colours and that current swept atmosphere. It has a sort of underwater feel to it. So that is really good.

I see you have white dotitis. I would have had to fill them all in myself. I hate white dots - but that is just me.

Although your plan didn't work out as you would have liked, remember that is how we learn, if we dont' try we dont' adapt. I have some horendous failed experiments I still keep to remind me of what needs to be developed further.

robertsloan2
04-25-2009, 11:37 AM
Dear everyone,
Here is my attempt at the elkhorn coral ref.

My original plan did not work out - I traced it out (roughly) in reverse, then put thick OP over the tracing, then tried ironing it on the other side hoping to transfer across a very hazy image which would now be in the right orientation. Failed! the pastels didnt transfer.

So then I quickly drew it again very sketchily and layered lots of thick colour in roughly the right places. Then laid greaseproof paper over the top and ironed it. This seems to melt out some of the oil in the OP and blurs the image a little though not by much. (CJ Crichton-Kelly mentioned this as a method to set underlayers - I dont suppose I'm telling you anything you dont know, but I thought it sounded like a good short-cut to try instead of leaving the paint to set overnight).

This is the result

Canson Mi-teintes white paper, all Neopastels, 11 x 9 inches.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Apr-2009/183415-Elkhorn-coral2-OP--Apr-09.jpg

Now I will wait to see what May brings ...

Thank you for looking.

Interesting experiment! The results are loose and powerful, I like how you did this. I can see the Mi-Tientes texture here and there, looks like you used the wove side for it. The size is so large the texture is just interesting, if it were small it would break up the forms but at this size it's just a pleasant variation in texture. White dotitis isn't always a bad thing, not when it adds more variation to something in an abstract sense.

Great depth in the coral especially and good contrasts. I like how you handled this. Thanks for describing your experiments with transferring and heat. I'll have to try that sometime too.

Pat Isaac
04-25-2009, 11:57 AM
Beautiful colors in the coral and it has good depth.

Pat

sundiver
04-25-2009, 01:30 PM
Dear everyone,
Here is my attempt at the elkhorn coral ref.

My original plan did not work out - I traced it out (roughly) in reverse, then put thick OP over the tracing, then tried ironing it on the other side hoping to transfer across a very hazy image which would now be in the right orientation. Failed! the pastels didnt transfer.

So then I quickly drew it again very sketchily and layered lots of thick colour in roughly the right places. Then laid greaseproof paper over the top and ironed it. This seems to melt out some of the oil in the OP and blurs the image a little though not by much. (CJ Crichton-Kelly mentioned this as a method to set underlayers - I dont suppose I'm telling you anything you dont know, but I thought it sounded like a good short-cut to try instead of leaving the paint to set overnight).

This is the result

Canson Mi-teintes white paper, all Neopastels, 11 x 9 inches.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Apr-2009/183415-Elkhorn-coral2-OP--Apr-09.jpg

Now I will wait to see what May brings ...

Thank you for looking.

Something you might try is to put the OP on the back of your printout, then transfer it to the paper by tracing over it. This can push the OP onto your paper, just like transfer paper.
Turned out great anyway!

Spice3514
04-25-2009, 01:49 PM
Dear Lin, Robert, Pat and Wendy,
Thank you for your comments.
This was an experiment - usually I take a lot (too much) time refining things and I definitely did not on this one.
It was not blended in the same way as other pics I have shown here, thus the white dots, but in this case I think it makes it look more under-watery so I am not displeased.
(I have done other things on NOT watercolour paper, and I find that even harder to smooth out).

On the whole, I rather like this Canson Mi-Teintes paper.

Robert, once again thanks for the refs. Trying them out is really helping me to explore and so learn.

oldrockchick
04-25-2009, 08:00 PM
Brenda - by the look of it that paper is simialer to the DR Murano which I have found to be a really nice paper to work on which a rich selection of colours. It also has a smooth and textured side.

Dont' worry about the white dot things, its just one of my own perosnal things that drive ME nuts when I dont want them. :rolleyes:

paul444
04-26-2009, 04:10 AM
Great painting Brenda.

paul444
04-26-2009, 04:14 AM
Finished this this morning.
Its 12 X 9 on watercolour paper using Sennelier O.P.s.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Apr-2009/82968-2009_0425photosnew0002_2.jpg

Spice3514
04-26-2009, 07:18 AM
Hi Paul,

I'm not very good at superlatives but I would like to find some to describe how I react to this painting. Its just superb. I can only say that I admire it tremendously and aspire to one day produce something approaching this quality. Though I'm not confident I'll ever get crystal to work.

Thank you very much for showing it to us.

truck driver
04-26-2009, 07:28 AM
Paul .. Awesome

RG

oldrockchick
04-26-2009, 10:32 AM
I'm loving this Paul,. The light the colours the shadows, the realism of the fruit.
Awesome work on the crystal.
Excellent piece :thumbsup:

Pat Isaac
04-26-2009, 10:40 AM
Stunning....and that crystal is just great...:clap:
Beautiful painting.

Pat

robertsloan2
04-26-2009, 05:59 PM
Paul, that is breathtaking. You are the latest to do the crystal so well it makes my jaw drop. Lucent, that's the word that comes to mind. Your grapes are alive, your crystal sharp and clear, the whole unified and beautifullly rendered. I like your version of the shadow of the crystal bowl too, it's interesting and different from the other ones I liked.

You got it all perfect and then made it uniquely yours. Strong values and high contrast are a big plus here. I think you pushed the value range out farther than the reference in a really good way and then unified the colors beautifully. Wonderful. Makes mine look like the scribbly sketch it is.

Not that I couldn't spend an entire week fussing over it and do better than a scribbly sketch, I just haven't done so this month and love it that you have. You're making me so glad I found this reference!

Shirl Parker
04-26-2009, 11:04 PM
Paul, you are inspiring me to take a stab at that bowl of grapes. I started a version in water mixable oils some time ago, and never finished. I wonder about finishing in Oil Pastel. The only think that makes me hesitate is it was started on canvas.

oldrockchick
04-27-2009, 09:26 AM
Paul, you are inspiring me to take a stab at that bowl of grapes. I started a version in water mixable oils some time ago, and never finished. I wonder about finishing in Oil Pastel. The only think that makes me hesitate is it was started on canvas.

Try putting a flat board behind the canvas. Maybe slip it in between the two corner stretchers for the area you are doing and move it to the others when you do that bit. This is what I do if I have to pre-mark a canvas prior to painting. You can always adjust the keys after.

I think it shuld work quite effectively. I have often been tempted to try an OP on canvas but concerned about the harsh texture and white dotitis (which is a personal condition I have lol ). However, with an oil paint already worked on it I think this problem would not arise as you would have a sound base to work on. i'd be interested to see how it works.

Scarefishcrow
04-27-2009, 11:27 PM
OMG! Paul!

Look so REAL I can taste them! Magmarnifvolous!!!!!:clap: :clap: :clap:


Bill:wave:

GhettoDaveyHavok
04-28-2009, 01:28 AM
Finished this this morning.
Its 12 X 9 on watercolour paper using Sennelier O.P.s.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Apr-2009/82968-2009_0425photosnew0002_2.jpg

Sorry to intrude in the these threads again fellas, but oh HO HO look at this! Paul, this is really amazing grape work!

paul444
04-28-2009, 01:22 PM
Wow, thank you all very much, I did not expect such a generous response.

I enjoyed doing this one, thank you for choosing this as a reference.

oldrockchick
04-28-2009, 06:16 PM
Sorry to intrude in the these threads again fellas, but oh HO HO look at this! Paul, this is really amazing grape work!

You are not intruding, you are very welcome :thumbsup:

truck driver
04-28-2009, 07:10 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Apr-2009/136518-oranges-grapes-wc.jpg

Hopefully I can get this finished b4 the first ... this is where its at right now, black and white watercolor underpainting in progress

RG

oldrockchick
04-28-2009, 07:13 PM
Looking forawrd to it RG. Your last piece was beautiful and I'm sure this piece will be too.

truck driver
04-28-2009, 11:11 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Apr-2009/136518-peaches-grapes-wcfv1.jpg

Underpainting complete 20 hours into this project at this point..

four hours to get from last post to this post..

RG

robertsloan2
04-29-2009, 01:01 AM
RG, your value underpainting is gorgeous! I know the painting will be too. If it takes longer than the days left in the month, please, keep posting progress! Most of us have run out of month sometimes and still kept working on something good like that.

Scarefishcrow
04-30-2009, 01:41 PM
RG, some other thread you asked the question if you were improving!

WOW, how can one look at the great job you did on the grapes and this exquisite grayscale underpainting and even ask that question. I say your "playing around" is "paying off" big time!

Ditto Robert on keep posting even if you don't finish b4 first.

Ditto Lin, Crys you are no intruder and just as much part of the OP family as the rest of us!




Bill:clap: :wave: :thumbsup:

oldrockchick
04-30-2009, 05:18 PM
Can't wait for tomorrow.... wonder what will be in store for us for May challenge .

Scarefishcrow
04-30-2009, 07:33 PM
:thumbsup: Can't wait for tomorrow.... wonder what will be in store for us for May challenge .

Already up! Check it out!

Bill

oldrockchick
05-01-2009, 08:55 AM
Woo hooo.... *off I go*

robertsloan2
05-01-2009, 06:48 PM
Oh I need to check out the new one too! Just did the WDE challenges (for sketch thread) and now to look at our own special challenge... now that my Pentels are warmed up...

truck driver
05-01-2009, 11:30 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-May-2009/136518-grapes-peach-cs1.jpg

Working on grapes and peaches colors. Not trying to create something that looks great..

RG

oldrockchick
05-02-2009, 08:54 AM
Oooh nice lively colours RG. Looks promising.

Pat Isaac
05-02-2009, 09:22 AM
I agree, nice strong color.

Pat

Scarefishcrow
05-02-2009, 06:21 PM
Ditto on colors!

So,RG, if you aren't trying to create something great but it comes out good, is that considered a failure??:confused: :confused:

Gotta' think on that one!

Bill:eek:

robertsloan2
05-04-2009, 03:20 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-May-2009/136518-grapes-peach-cs1.jpg

Working on grapes and peaches colors. Not trying to create something that looks great..

RG

Nice. I like the colors you've got, very strong blue/orange balance there. It's cool that you're working out colors on a sketch but the sketch is pretty good in its own right. Was that over a grisaille underpainting or not?

truck driver
05-04-2009, 04:42 PM
No, the sketch is plain, paper, nothing drawn, Just working on colours for the peaches and grapes


RG

Mario V
05-05-2009, 06:10 AM
You can see how beautiful works were for this month when you put them all together!!!

Fantastic work everyone :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-May-2009/133719-apic.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-May-2009/133719-gpic.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-May-2009/133719-spic.jpg

Pat Isaac
05-05-2009, 08:10 AM
Thanks so much for doing that Mario. They certainly look wonderful all together.

Pat

paul444
05-06-2009, 10:06 AM
A fantastic set of pictures.
Congratulations to everyone involved .

robertsloan2
05-07-2009, 09:36 PM
Thanks for putting that together, Mario! It's great to see all of them together. I think everyone who participated outdid themselves!

truck driver
05-12-2009, 12:37 AM
This isnt over yet.. you all do know that right :) I'm just slow


RG

paul444
05-15-2009, 06:09 AM
Looking forward to it RG.

truck driver
05-27-2009, 12:38 AM
O.k. I know its been almost a second month but dont take this thread away yet.. soon... I promise.. soon..

RG

truck driver
06-10-2009, 08:26 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Jun-2009/136518-fun_stuff_034.jpg

It progresses, slowly but it progresses

RG

Pat Isaac
06-10-2009, 08:32 AM
Yes, it is progressing and looking quite well. This is such an ambitious subject.

Pat