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trafford
03-07-2009, 10:11 AM
The artist for the next two weeks is HONORE VICTORIN DAUMIER.

HONORE DAUMIER (1808-1879)

French painter, caricaturist, graphic artist and sculptor. Trained in Paris and attracted to lithography, Daumier made his living, from 1830, with cartoons in satirical journals.

When he attempted serious oil painting, around 1848, he found his fame as a left wing cartoonist hampered him.

Since his death he has been recognized as a pioneer, chiefly of Expressionism.

I picked two paintings, because I lwasn't sure which one I wanted to do, but please feel free to choose your own Daumier, and post for us to see.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2009/42757-Honoré_Daumier._The_Beggars.jpg

The Beggars-1845...and

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2009/42757-0301-0010_der_leser.jpg

Reader-watercolor and plume.

Here are some links:

http://www.daumier.org
http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/daumier_honore.html
http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honore_Daumier

and there is always Google images. Have fun...Janet

trafford
03-07-2009, 10:24 AM
Just a little aside...... My father was a lithographer, painter and cartoonist and Daumier was his favorite artist and inspiration.
A reproduction of this painting hung in our living room while I was growing up and used to scare me, I don't know why, when I was very little.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2009/42757-daumier65.jpg

I inherited eight books on Daumier, and I mean BIG BOOKS! Hauled them out to look through when I knew we would be doing this project. :angel:

artbyjune
03-09-2009, 05:37 AM
I am so looking forward to studying Daumier, Trafford.

azulparsnip
03-10-2009, 07:59 AM
Yes, Janet ...this is exciting. Your two selected are delectable. I love his printer/litho eye for shading and shape. Yipeeee!

artbyjune
03-15-2009, 07:55 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Mar-2009/106623-daumierstudy1a5k.JPG

Here's my Daumier study: which was great fun to paint. I used ink, and watercolour for the lemon touches.

WildGoose
03-15-2009, 01:50 PM
Nice tribute!
He really looks like he's blending into the whole scene...part of the whole living landscape at it's best.... an alive and breathing, aware one!
Like your subtle, reflective tones...

artbyjune
03-15-2009, 04:09 PM
Thanks wildgoose. I like this piece by Daumier. It was interesting to do the lines and then work with the shadow areas separately on top of the line drawing. Also interesting to see how much is not actually there..our mind fills in the 'gaps'.;)

azulparsnip
03-15-2009, 09:16 PM
lovely work, June- i hope to get something started tommorrow

trafford
03-16-2009, 08:13 AM
I love this watercolor, so well copied by June. Couldn't find any other watercolors by Daumier done in this flowing loose way, though I'm still looking.

Hope to get something posted this week, even if it's just one of the cartoons.

Meant to thank you June, for adding the Daumier to the thread title. Noticed the omission the minute after I posted.

Again, June, lovely work. :heart:

artbyjune
03-16-2009, 09:36 AM
Thanks azul and trafford. Hey hey... I am glad now I have my own Daumier (copy) to frame!!

Its a kind of side bonus.

azulparsnip
03-20-2009, 08:17 AM
Hi - am in a pinch to post this and dash to work-----

did this this morning - and will try and finish it this afternoon.

more comments and stuff this afternoon.....I :heart: Daumier

azulparsnip
03-20-2009, 02:55 PM
Yes, June that is a frameworthy piece:thumbsup:

Here's my finish......can't do much more without muddling......I experiemented with mixing the black on the paper technique....

artbyjune
03-20-2009, 06:35 PM
This turned out excellently azul! I love the golden glow of the figures.

trafford
03-20-2009, 08:05 PM
Good job Azul. I hope to get something up this weekend, but if nothing else, I've had a lot of fun looking at Daumier images and reading about his life.

One of the links I posted has a time line along side the events in D's life. It gives you an idea of what was going on in politics and the arts at that time. I really like the idea and wish they would do that on other artists.

I'll get up early tomorrow and post something. :angel:

azulparsnip
03-20-2009, 10:14 PM
Thanks June and Janet - I like the colors and faces well enough but the bodies do not meld into the cohesive lump like his do.

He has lots of work I would love to study.......definitely gotta revisit this one.

trafford
03-21-2009, 12:03 PM
Here is my Daumier. Not what I intended to do at first, but time caught up with me. This is one of the Don Quixote series.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Mar-2009/42757-scan_932195611_1.jpg

...and the original

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Mar-2009/42757-fond_ecran_daumier3.jpg

artbyjune
03-21-2009, 03:33 PM
Good one Trafford. Its got that Daumier flow.

azulparsnip
03-22-2009, 05:28 PM
Janet - well done, I've seen those drawings before not knowing it was Daumier. i have yet to read Don Quixote but hear talk about it alllll the time.

gakinme
04-21-2009, 02:46 AM
Thank you Janet, for pointing out Daumier. Again, my first time to see his work but I was so engrossed with his caricatures that I spent a whole day today saving all his pix from the internet. His works speak so much to me because that's the style I'm aiming for. Whimsical people. Absolutely love it.

I am also very impressed by his color work especially the darker color ones.

June, your piece of the reader is so good, so light. His shows a bit more somber feelings of heaviness and yours is a person in a more relaxed mode.

Robin, I like the bright yellow used in your piece. It brightens things up.

Janet, I haven't read Don Quixote yet and have just requested it from the library. I read today that he has done 29 illustrations for this book because he just like the subject so much. You have a good sketch there. Your horses are less mangy than his. :lol:

Here are my first three. I'll work on more tomorrow. These were all on one page of the Academie Heavyweight Sketchbook 8.5 x 11 inch and I ground my own ink today.

Chinese ink stick: black, yellow and Chinese brush
I couldn't get the light gray to work for me and in the end, reverted to my dry brush technique I used for Chinese paintings.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Apr-2009/86669-daumier1.JPG

Chinese ink stick: red, yellow, blue, and black.

Here is my original.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Apr-2009/86669-daumier3a.JPG

Here is my photoshopped copy for darker colors.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Apr-2009/86669-daumier3.JPG

This one is a tiny 2 incher and I ran out of space at the bottom for his leg. :p 2B pencil darkened with photoshop.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Apr-2009/86669-daumier2.JPG

trafford
04-23-2009, 10:20 AM
Sandra, I'm glad that you are enjoying Daumier. Isn't that man reading watercolor great. Couldn't find anymore in that flowing style. You did a good job with it, and the other drawings as well. He has a lot of good political cartoons for you to play with. :thumbsup:

artbyjune
04-23-2009, 04:15 PM
Hi Sandra, thanks for your comments. Daumier is a very interesting artist. I haven't looked at very much of his work though1

I like your work with chinese ink stick. I have some of those sticks..I never use them...I should get them out and try them. Good expression on the man's face...the climber. Will you be darkening the 2 men looking up as per your photoshopped version, or will you leave it in delicate colours?

gakinme
04-23-2009, 09:25 PM
Thank you, June, Janet, for your comment. Yes, I'm going to see how far I could darken the 2 person piece still using Chinese colors. It'll be a challenge. Will be back soon.

gakinme
04-24-2009, 08:45 PM
Actually, now that I have looked at it again, I would keep it light colored. It's actually quite charming.

Here are my Honore Daumier exercises on a newsprint scribble pad. I got 4 Daumier books from the library and am having a great time!

I gave her a head, hair and the left arm.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Apr-2009/86669-pencil_daumier.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Apr-2009/86669-pencil_daumier2.JPG


Gave this guy a younger look, longer legs and more fashionable hair and really did up his toes. I love doing toes!!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Apr-2009/86669-penciL_daumier3.JPG


Chinese ink and brush.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Apr-2009/86669-pencil_daumier4.JPG

Gave this guy a more oriental look and a bag instead of a coat on the rod.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Apr-2009/86669-pencil_daumier5.JPG

gakinme
04-25-2009, 05:16 PM
Here are more Honore Daumier exercises. Jean-Francois Millet has been compared to Daumier because they both had drawings dealing with emigrants, beggars, erotic poses and etc. In this book, I practiced on some of the samples of what other artists did that looked like Daumier's or vice versa.

I'm using my hardbound sketchbook and it has this annoying spine plus the drawings from underneath shows through.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Apr-2009/86669-sketch_daumier1.JPG

I do these to learn their poses.

The next one is a portion of Daumier's cartoon Locataires et Proprietairis.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Apr-2009/86669-sketch_daumier2.JPG

This one is Jean-Francois Millet of a beggar by the road and she has two children. It is much more powerful a piece than Daumier's which has a mother holding baby in front, and an 8 year old or so both facing the road.

Millet's piece

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Apr-2009/86669-sketch_daumier4a.JPG

Below, I redid Daumier's piece giving the woman a third child (in her tummy) and added a man and a scared little kid. I'm learning about drawing fabrics and this is all mine. And even legs!

Original works here (http://yfrog.com/0h76711870j).


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Apr-2009/86669-sketch_daumier3.JPG

azulparsnip
04-26-2009, 05:49 PM
Sandra - it is great seeing all these sketches. You are moving right along. Thanks for sharing your Daumier adventure. I think he has good humor.

artbyjune
04-27-2009, 08:12 AM
I think its wonderful to do all these sketches. I really like that page with all the reclining bodies!

gakinme
05-02-2009, 04:54 PM
Thank you, Robin, June, for your comments. I just couldn't stop doing his work. He is just so good in the figure work.

These 2 are done in the car park while I waited for my kids to finish their Chinese class this morning.

This one is Chinese brush and ink on newsprint. In the end, because my ink container was too dry today, I have to whip out my Pentel Pocket Calligraphy brushpen that gives me continuous ink on brush.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-May-2009/86669-daumier7.JPG

This one I really like. I've been studying how to draw horses in Chinese brush in the fewest strokes possible but today's exercise is good nevertheless.

I used General's charcoal pencil to start the horse outline on Japanese brown craft paper and then realize there are colors to this painting and not just black. :lol: My General's Pastel Chalk pencils of 12 didn't have the right color and so I used Inktense pencils. Then I highlighted the white with General's Charcoal white stick and then when I did the sky, it wouldn't go on because Inktense is waxy somehow or has some materials that resist it. I now dug out my pastel chalk white pencil. It was so white that I realize the charcoal pencil was not black enough. So I have to use pastel chalk black to redo a lot of the lines. The general black background was General's charcoal stick and it too was not dark enough. So yeah, in the end, I used more pastel chalk pencils.

For a moment, I wished I have perhaps Derwent's Tinted charcoal pencils but I think instead, I'll try bring my soft pastel set next time with me.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-May-2009/86669-daumier6.JPG

trafford
05-03-2009, 05:50 AM
Hi Sandra. I think these last two are really good...the expressions on the canvas looker's faces are wonderful and your horses have a much bigger sweep then the paper allows. Very Daumierish (have I invented a word)?

Have you taken a at look Francisco Goya? He was one of the Oldies and Goodies a while back. His characters are also great and I think you would enjoy him.

Keep drawing....Janet :heart:

gakinme
05-03-2009, 10:57 AM
Thank you, Janet, for your comment. No, not yet, I haven't surfed to page 2 yet of this section. But I will.

And of course, I'll do all the Daumier pictures that I find! hehe...

artbyjune
05-03-2009, 12:55 PM
I agree with Janet...these are terrific!!

gakinme
05-03-2009, 05:24 PM
Thank you, June.

Some more Daumier sketches. Really love his humor. These are all done with General's All Sketch & Wash Pencils with no wash except the middle one where the carriage was washed only. Equalize filter in Photoshop to make it look aged.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-May-2009/86669-daumier8.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-May-2009/86669-daumier9.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-May-2009/86669-daumier10.JPG

artbyjune
05-05-2009, 08:45 AM
I love the humour in these.

gakinme
05-09-2009, 06:16 PM
Me too, June. He has a lot of good subjects.

I started a new sketchbook of 8x10 inch from Aquabee Quick Rough Sketchbook 50 lbs for all my copy work of the Masters.

I used the General's Sketch and Wash and Ebony Pencil Extra Smooth.

This is based on Daumier's piece. Even with a wash, the paper hardly buckled! At 50 lbs, it's not bad at all. I could easily use graphitint with this paper I think. After wash, I had to go in and darken many times over to show distinct lines.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-May-2009/86669-daumier15.JPG


This is how far these pencils could go. It couldn't go darker than this gray tone even with a wash. But I like this piece for the light quality so I photoshopped it.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-May-2009/86669-daumier11_orig.JPG

To achieve this, I think next time, I'd use a 9B and my woodless pencils 6B-8B.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-May-2009/86669-daumier11.JPG


This is my favorite piece of sketch of Daumier's. He did this sketch for a relief sculpture and there is so much emotion in his depiction. I am wondering how he did it. Did he do the pen lines first and then the watercolor or the watercolor first, then the pen lines.

I did the pen lines first. I used the Yarka black watercolor and it was a mistake to use the waterbrush. There is no tone of difference in it. I had to revert to the no. 10 brush on the side.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-May-2009/86669-daumier13.JPG

artbyjune
05-10-2009, 04:59 AM
:clap: Excellent sketches sandra.

gakinme
06-02-2009, 11:10 PM
I am continuing to practice by copying Honore Daumier's work.

As you could see, I'm losing steam as it gets sloppier by the piece.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Jun-2009/86669-daumiersketch3.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Jun-2009/86669-daumiersketch4.JPG

But the last page, I perked up again. I'll draw my type of modern women but using his pose. :lol: Bottom 3 ladies are my creations using my shoes and my manikins to nail down the uncovered legs.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Jun-2009/86669-daumiersketch6.JPG

trafford
06-03-2009, 06:32 AM
Great stuff, Sandra...your drawings get better and better and I can see you are also having fun. :clap:

gakinme
06-03-2009, 04:45 PM
Thank you, Janet. At some point, I really want to do his oil painting piece.

azulparsnip
06-03-2009, 10:47 PM
Sandra - good for you!! these are delightful......definitely tell you are enjoying yourself.

gakinme
06-09-2009, 09:09 AM
Thank you, Robin, for your comment.

I have actually been practicing on Daumier but there wasn't any exciting stuff to post. But this girl attracted my attention today. Daumier drew a very stocky rectangular face farm girl. I've made her younger and gave her a partner :lol: :p :lol: It took me a while to figure out how that right hand of hers should be supported because Daumier just left it hanging without support. Obviously, it was a study of some sort for a painting. After a couple of false starts, I took my manikins out to help.

Derwent Metallic Pencils and Col-Erase Pencils. I didn't mean to make the guy look like a ghost with that tuscan red. :evil:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Jun-2009/86669-jamsuzie2_800.JPG

Here, I've turned it to black and white.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Jun-2009/86669-jamsuzie2_BW.JPG

trafford
06-11-2009, 06:54 AM
I'm glad you like Daumier so much, Sandra. I have quite a few books on this artist, and my favorites are the pompous lawyers and judges.

I think it's good that you use Daumier as a base for some of your drawings and make them your own......Janet :cool:

artbyjune
06-11-2009, 03:13 PM
:heart: Love those humorous cartoons!

gakinme
06-11-2009, 08:48 PM
I just can't stop drawing his stuff. At first I was drawn by his political caricatures but more and more I realize how detailed he is in the human figure for normal drawings.

Here are more sketches.

Daumier's horses but I put the girl in there instead of an injured man. Ballpen.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Jun-2009/86669-daumier_horses1.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Jun-2009/86669-daumier_horses2.JPG

gakinme
06-11-2009, 10:14 PM
Whoops, I forgot one of the legs on the top one.

And it was with pencil that I drew and then photoshopped for darkness. Not ballpen.



http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Jun-2009/86669-daumier_horsesa.JPG

gakinme
06-17-2009, 10:13 PM
I had a terrible time today doing a couple of Daumier paintings in acrylics. OMG, I made such a mess I have to use Inktense to cover it and it got even messier. I'll post them anyway for laughs. Perhaps I should concentrate on using pencils and watercolors.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Jun-2009/86669-daumier7.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Jun-2009/86669-daumier8.JPG

Here are the photoshop quickfix. :wink2:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Jun-2009/86669-daumier7_PS.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Jun-2009/86669-daumier8_PS.JPG

These will be the last of the Daumier pieces for the meantime until I move officially in mid-July. I've returned all my library books already.

trafford
06-18-2009, 05:55 AM
Sandra, the first paintings looked OK to me, but photoshop, makes them something wild. Which filter did you use?

Have a good move and not too tiring......Janet :heart:

artbyjune
06-18-2009, 06:26 AM
I love the sense of movement in the horses. The photoshop fix makes interesting images. i wonder if you could do photo-fixes and then paint the fix itself in a new work?

gakinme
06-18-2009, 12:53 PM
Janet, the first one has the fresco filter and the second one is ink outline filter.

June, yes, that's called cheating...haha...but I'm learning to put more layers and darker tones over the months because I see how after photoshop, the richer colors help a painting. I'll definitely try them again perhaps with watercolor or Inktense when I have time.

Thanks for comments.

And last night I did two more Daumier piece in color. (I have one more library book left behind :lol: until Friday.) This one started off with General's Pastel Chalk Pencil and then I put in some Graphitint. Groan. It wasn't going my way when I did the wash. I got some Crayola washable markers and borrowed the color with a brush and some water. By now I thought the paper would disintegrate. Aquabee 50 lbs sketchbook but it didn't. Three or four washes later. And when it dried, I outlined it with my Japanese Pocket Calligraphy Pen to give it an illustrative feel perfect for story books.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Jun-2009/86669-daumier15.JPG

This one, I was a bit smarter. I used Derwent Inktense all the way. :lol: Also outlined it and this morning, seeing that it was too bland, I put in more color without any more wash. These two are natural colors. Not bad.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Jun-2009/86669-daumier16.JPG

I have a habit of not drawing them totally rectangular. :o I guess I should draw a rectangular box next time.

gakinme
06-19-2009, 03:28 PM
Here is the mad rush last night to do a bunch of 1x2 inch thumbs from the Daumier book that I had to return today. I've done three of these before but trying to improve on them. Mostly pastel chalk pencils and the last one is calligraphy brush pen and pencil.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jun-2009/86669-daumier17.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jun-2009/86669-daumier18.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jun-2009/86669-daumier19.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jun-2009/86669-daumier20.JPG

gakinme
06-18-2010, 10:02 AM
I can't resist going back to Daumier these few days so I'll keep posting even though it's been over a year. If not for this thread, I would have never known him and feel so happy about copying a true master of caricatures.


Caran D'Ache neopastel
Image based on Daumier's The Washerwoman (http://www.fineart-china.com/upload1/file-admin/images/new9/Honore%20Daumier-854462.jpg)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Jun-2010/86669-daumier_washerwoman.jpg

This is a quick sketch of Daumier's Two Sculptors (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Honore_Daumier_Two_Sculptors.jpg)piece with Caran D'Ache oil pastel on Fabriano Artist Journal 7x9 inch.

Getting used to these new oil pastels more and more.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Jun-2010/86669-daumier_twosculptors.jpg

Here's the original image (http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=daumier+third+class+carriage&aq=0&aqi=g2&aql=&oq=daumier+t&gs_rfai=). The Third Carriage. I threw in some Asian features in them. Can't help it.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Jun-2010/86669-daumier_thirdcarriage.jpg

azulparsnip
06-23-2010, 10:16 PM
Sandra - you are really going great guns here.......good for you

gakinme
06-24-2010, 01:15 AM
Thank you, Robin. I learnt a lot from this artist.

trafford
06-25-2010, 06:16 AM
Sandra, you are doing great with your studies of Daumier. Most impressive is "The Third Carraige"

He was my father's favorite artist and influenced his own work. I ended up inheriting about six or seven Daumier art books...one is devoted just to lawyers.

Keep up the good work.