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AlaskaBoers
02-11-2009, 12:43 AM
first equine post here...an arabian...no ref, took me about an hour and half-ish

so i did this on Strathmore watercolor paper, with crayola (hehe) watercolor paint.
C&C welcome...i really love this style, any way i could make it even better?

The pic isnt that great...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Feb-2009/171417-katrinas_020.jpg

moodymand
02-11-2009, 10:08 AM
lovely, especially for no ref, that's a brave angle to attempt I think. I like the brownish and blue combination :)

AlaskaBoers
02-11-2009, 10:14 AM
thank you!
any thing look odd to you guys?

jody007
02-11-2009, 10:20 AM
Welcome to WC! Beautiful painting!
Jody

SecludedDream
02-11-2009, 09:28 PM
I'm always impressed with what people can get out of watercolors, and this is no exception. :D I'm curious about how you got the image on here, did you take a photograph at an angle? That can sometimes distort what we see. Anyway, since you asked, I think the muzzle appears to be on a different plane (what's the term, viewer's eye?) than the rest of the face, as if you were looking down on it, while you saw the rest of the face head on.
http://wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7583121&postcount=47 The first grey seems to have a similar angle.

One thing that I personally like to do when drawing Arabians (or any horse with a dip or dish in its head) at head on or close to it, is to take the center line and distort it a bit so it doesn't look like it is traveling straight. This usually creates the illusion of a dish. For example, this painting has a blaze that does what I am talking about (big image ahoy): http://www.arabianknights-shivak.com/darkness.htm

My favorite part is the eyes you did, although they are a little forward facing, I think the expression is very soft and collected, and the angle works to the piece's advantage.

I hope that's what you were looking for. :D

Hoofnpaw
02-11-2009, 11:21 PM
Love the style!

The only suggestion i would make would be to add more connection between the ears and the head....hope that make sense!

Welcome to the forum! Great piece! Can't wait to see more!

Sean

AlaskaBoers
02-12-2009, 12:09 AM
jody007
thanks, and for the welcome

thanks for the tips SecludedDream
that makes sense, i'll do that next time around, and yes i did take it with a camera...and it ended up in an angle.

HoofnPaw
Yeah i see the whole ear thing, looks a little -stretched away? idk exactly but i do see it.

i really enjoyed it, hmm, anyone have any more refs of arabians portraits?
doesnt need to be head on. gotta get the crayolas out!
anyone want to reccomend a paint brand?...thing is, i like the pans.

oh btw, i'm coming here from DA, found this from MoodyMands artblog. thanks Amanda!

Snuzin Susan
02-12-2009, 12:13 AM
I too feel that the nose/muzzle area is off. It reads more like a cow then a horse to me. A horse's nostrils are more to the side, not a great deal more then you have them, but they aren't facing forwards they way they've been painted. Let me try to explain myself better. The need to be angled in more. If you compare photos of cows to horses I think you'll see what I'm talking about. I just have such a hard time expressing myself. I'm not saying your horse looks like a cow! The rest is lovely..I would suggest using my ref. photos for now though until you have the horse's anatomy down pat. Many here have been painting/working w/ horses for years and I'm sure they need to refer to a ref. at least every now in then since they are such difficult creatures. Continue working with them though! Nice job!

-Susan

SecludedDream
02-12-2009, 12:15 AM
There are lots of beautiful Arabians in the stickied horse topic. :D I'm from DA as well, I knew about this place, but only showed up when MM mentioned the equine challenges.

AlaskaBoers
02-12-2009, 12:42 AM
thanks snuzin.
i dont own horses, my friends and neighbors have them, i'm more of a goat person....lol. i love goats.:heart:

anyways, thanks for the critique!

fran2
02-13-2009, 12:50 PM
Dear Alaska

I don't agree with Snuzin.. The nostrals are fine for an 'excited or curious' horse.. and go well with the ears postioning.. If I had sussed out yet how to attach a picture, I would attach a photo of an excited horse for you. I think it is an absolutely outstanding work without a ref photo to work on.

Keep up the great work!

moodymand
02-13-2009, 03:09 PM
Have a look in the stickied HORSES Photo Library thread, I'm sure there's some arabian refs in there!

I like to think I've done my bit recruiting members to WC :D

AlaskaBoers
02-13-2009, 07:02 PM
well, i'm trying this again, different ref (thanks for leading me to the horse pics!), i'll probably go for blue bg again...

i'll study the muzzle and ears a bit more...

Mand. - thanks, and yes you have done a good jpb recruiting! lol

on the WC i found this photo, the pose looks similar the my painting. does the nose still look off to you guys?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/RefLib/data2/20/medium/IMG_2335.JPG (http://www.wetcanvas.com/RefLib/showphoto.php?photo=83709&size=big&cat=)

i want to paint:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/RefLib/data2/579/medium/Costume.jpg (http://www.wetcanvas.com/RefLib/showphoto.php?photo=77691&size=big&cat=)
but maybe cut part of the rider off?

SecludedDream
02-14-2009, 12:10 AM
Yes, the muzzle still looks off to me. I did a quick overlay that may help you see.

http://i43.tinypic.com/2holr1c.gif At that angle you will still see more of the upper lip, and usually there will be some hint of the lower lip. Typically the muzzle has a near even ratio between the nostrils and the upper lip, especially when flared.

artistsoul
02-14-2009, 12:41 AM
Hello!

Thought I would post this photo -although the neck is in a different position to your painting- the head is in a very similar position, showing eye and nostril angles, as well as other details, such as bone and vein structure. Hope it helps too.

I do love your style and technique and your use of watercolour! I would suggest using a ref pic, but not to copy or depend on; but rather to help you with correct positioning, bone/muscle structure and details.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Feb-2009/105700-MustangsMagnum.jpg

FaeLynn
02-14-2009, 12:54 AM
I love your style! Wow, I didn't know Crayola made a watercolor. Hey, I know their colored pencils work nicely in a pinch!
Keep up the good work!

AlaskaBoers
02-14-2009, 01:49 AM
wow, thanks alot for the refs. that overlay thing, is awesome.

and now i do see the muzzle. eureka! well i know what to do next time.
thanks!

artistsoul- beautiful horse there, gorgeous. they must oil the hairless parts of the face to bring out the features?

The overlay thing scared me...that ref looks almost like the painting , except the nose. but like the neck and eyes are in the same place....creepy. but cool. thanks alot!