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ryster007
02-01-2009, 12:54 PM
Welcome to the February free topic where we will be looking at Mythology.:wave:

Hopefully we can look at some paintings inspired by mythology learn about the story behind the work and also get inspired to create some work ourselves.

This is my first hosting and I'm by no means an expert and I hope we can all contribute to learning as we go. So please jump in and get involved with the group.

Anyway to get started we'd better first define the term: Mythology

The term comes from the Greek term 'μυθολογία mythología' and this translates to 'a story-telling, a legendary lore'.
In the Oxford English dictionary it is defined as the study of myths: a traditional story containing ideas or beliefs about ancient times or natural events...
So to start the debate..

Why do classical artists have an interest in painting these legendary stories?

What relevance do they hold in todays' modern society?

Do you know any good examples of modern works (or even better, examples your own work) that are inspired from mythology?

artbyjune
02-01-2009, 05:27 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Feb-2009/106623-pygmalion1a5k.JPG

A recent small drawing of mine, doodled just after watching a DVD called 'Pygmalion'....A film about the flower girl transformed into a high society lady by Professor Higgins. It was based on an older story about a scuptor who fell in love with his carved statue of a woman and wished to bring her alive. I think from Greek mythology. I would need to check up on it.

I think the pre-Raphaelites painted this subject. Was it Edward Burne-Jones, if memory serves me right? I will check up on it .

Many thanks for starting this project, Ryan. It would be rather interesting to attempt a painting based on a classical myth.

ryster007
02-02-2009, 05:26 AM
... It was based on an older story about a scuptor who fell in love with his carved statue of a woman and wished to bring her alive. I think from Greek mythology. I would need to check up on it.

I think the pre-Raphaelites painted this subject. Was it Edward Burne-Jones, if memory serves me right? I will check up on it .

Many thanks for starting this project, Ryan. It would be rather interesting to attempt a painting based on a classical myth.

First of all congratulation on being first to post work:clap: . Sounds an interesting myth that I've certainly not heard of, please do share some of the background if you find more info.

I agree that it would be interesting on a particular myth and see how everyone does their own version of it.

Here are some options for participating in the project:

1. Choose a painting of a classical myth and try to copy it (extra points awarded for showing WIP and explaining the story:wink2: ).

2. Choose a mythical story or character and create your own composition. this can be:
a) in the classical representational style, telling the story in your own composition (as June has already demonstrated excellently- trophy in the post:lol: )
b) try taking the classical myth and setting in modern time, perhaps making the moral of the story relevant to some current problem (this is the tricky option and a special Gold Star will be awarded those attempting it! :angel: )
c) using this as a starting point and developing something contemporary and abstract:cool:

I'm off to surf out some examples to use and will add these today- in the meantime get your thinking hats on!

Ryan

trafford
02-02-2009, 08:22 AM
This is such a good subject. Haven't gone into it too deeply yet, but did find this link:
http://www.artcyclopedia.com/feature-2000-05.html.

azulparsnip
02-02-2009, 08:23 AM
This looks like a good opportunity to combine classical with imagination. The story aspect will be a fun tack.

trafford
02-02-2009, 08:30 AM
Here is one more, and then on to painting........
http://www.humanitiesweb.org/human.php?s=g&p=a&a=i&ID=1134

artbyjune
02-02-2009, 01:06 PM
Here's a link to the pygmalion story.

http://www.pygmalion.ws/stories/greek2.htm

And a link to an art gallery of Pygmalion and Galatea.

http://www.loggia.com/myth/gallerygalatea.html

:thumbsup:

ryster007
02-02-2009, 04:40 PM
Here is one more, and then on to painting........
http://www.humanitiesweb.org/human.php?s=g&p=a&a=i&ID=1134

Trafford- good links and thanks for sharing them. The artcycopedia one is really good for an intro into mythological painting. There are some great works referenced in this too (including Titian's Diana and Actaeon- one of my favourites- more of this later:wink2: ).

ryster007
02-02-2009, 04:43 PM
This looks like a good opportunity to combine classical with imagination. The story aspect will be a fun tack.

Absolutely Azulparsnip. The story telling aspect should make this entertaining, enlightening and importantly- FUN:lol:

Hope to see some imaginative works:wave:

ryster007
02-02-2009, 04:45 PM
Here's a link to the pygmalion story.

http://www.pygmalion.ws/stories/greek2.htm

And a link to an art gallery of Pygmalion and Galatea.

http://www.loggia.com/myth/gallerygalatea.html

:thumbsup:

Hi June

Great story- honestly hadn't heard that one. Good narrative on love, obsession and a happy ending too!:heart: With Valentines day coming up this may be a good one for people to try?

Ryan

ryster007
02-02-2009, 05:23 PM
Ok I think June has supplied a good myth to tackle and this has to be one of the suggested myths for people to tackle. A story of love, creation, obsession and relevant for Valentine's!! June has provided a good example of the second category- taking a myth and making her own composition and story-telling of it:thumbsup:

I will suggest two others for people to try:

I am going to attempt to copy a Titian:eek: I will attempt to do this as a realistic copy, looking at his approach, technique and how he has used composition to tell the story. I'll try to post WIP as I go.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Feb-2009/83841-649px-Tizian_001.jpg
Titian
Diana and Actaeon
190x207cm
National Gallery of Scotland
(note: image from Wikipedia- confirmed in the public domain http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tizian_001.jpg )

The final example is Achilles, the legendary Greek hero. This example takes the abstract contemporary approach that you could try :evil:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Feb-2009/83841-Achilles_2.JPG
Achilles
(by me!!)
Oil and gold leaf on canvas
20x18 inches

As some of you Classical forum regulars may remember I've posted this previously. I took a classical Greek sculpture relief as my starting point and developed this into an abstracted vision. I did not concern myself with the 'story' element here, but concentrated on trying to push and integrate the beauty of classical mythology with a contemporary approach.

You could further delve into the Achilles myth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achilles
He sort of treads a fine line between myth and legend. According to myth he was the son of the nymph Thetis and Peleus, and she dipped him into the river Styxx to give him immortality. However she held him by the foot and hence his dodgy ankle was not protected, (personally I think she could have called him Elbow so as not to draw attention to his weakness:lol: )

Other aspects of his life would be interesting story painting- he was taught to fight by the Centaur Chiron. Finally he was a hero of the Trojan war until he was hit by an arrow in (you've guessed it..) the achilles heel and was killed. Great story potential here I'm sure you will agree:D

(note: there are other versions of the myth, check out the link. In my version I went for the story that the hero Asteropaeus attacked him with two spears at once one damaging the elbow and the other weakening the ankle- you can see the ominous spears behind him)

trafford
02-03-2009, 09:40 AM
I'm hooked on Orpheus and Eurydice. I saw a Jean Cocteau movie years ago, which was a modern version of the myth and haven't forgotten it. Think I'll putter around the web and see if I can find any paintings, or maybe just make up my own.

http://www.hipark.austin.isd.tenet.edu/mythology/orpheus.html

ryster007
02-03-2009, 11:02 AM
I'm hooked on Orpheus and Eurydice. I saw a Jean Cocteau movie years ago, which was a modern version of the myth and haven't forgotten it. Think I'll putter around the web and see if I can find any paintings, or maybe just make up my own.

http://www.hipark.austin.isd.tenet.edu/mythology/orpheus.html

Hi Trafford

This is another great story with some juicy painting possibilities. Please feel free to paint us your version of this!:thumbsup:

Ryan

artbyjune
02-03-2009, 12:08 PM
Hi Ryan, I like the various possibilities you've given us as ways of tackling a mythological art piece.

I may stick with Pygmalion as I know the story...and do it maybe in a more classical composition as well as a modern approach.

I can see mythology is a huge subject matter for our paintings for the future. I have hardly delved into mythology myself...knowing only the popular myths...Jason and the argonauts and so forth. What fun to try and get an education in Greek and Roman mythology!!

WildGoose
02-03-2009, 03:21 PM
This is going to fun , Ryan...I"ll be tryin' for a gold star!;)

ryster007
02-03-2009, 04:18 PM
Hi Ryan, I like the various possibilities you've given us as ways of tackling a mythological art piece.

I may stick with Pygmalion as I know the story...and do it maybe in a more classical composition as well as a modern approach.

I can see mythology is a huge subject matter for our paintings for the future. I have hardly delved into mythology myself...knowing only the popular myths...Jason and the argonauts and so forth. What fun to try and get an education in Greek and Roman mythology!!

That will be great June- I liked your original drawing, it was very intuitive and now that we know the story, it helps us connect with it. For the modern approach maybe you could work it up like a Modigliani?? Relatively flat but vivid colours, keeping the draughtmanship simple and loose??

Ryan

ryster007
02-03-2009, 04:19 PM
This is going to fun , Ryan...I"ll be tryin' for a gold star!;)

Just remember and share your work with the group or you'll be on the naughty step!:evil:

Ryan

ryster007
02-03-2009, 04:46 PM
Okay I've prepared my panel and I'm about to start my attempt at reproducing the Titian painting Diana and Actaeon.

Before I jump in though I thought it would be useful to explain the myth and demonstrate the tricks Titian has used in his composition to tell the story. This is the tricky part because unlike film or writing, painting is a static image from one point in the story.

Hopefully if you've got a story in mind this will give you some hints and tricks as to how you can get the viewers eye to follow YOUR telling of the tale.

Okay here is the original painting
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Feb-2009/83841-649px-Tizian_001.jpg

Diana and Actaeon is a painting by the renaissance master Titian, finished in 1556-1559. It is part of a series of seven famous canvasses, the "poesies", depicting mythological scenes from Ovid's 'Metamorphosis' painted for Phillip II of Spain.

Its massive, weighing in at around 190 x 207 cm. My version will be a humble 38 x 38cm- but size isn't everything:crying: .


This painting means a lot me as its forms the centre-piece of the Scottish National Gallery's collection, and in my humble (and biased:) ) opinion is one of Titian's greatest works. I have been luckly enough to have studied painting workshops directly with the original. This epic work was saved for the UK's public and can be seen for free! Just this week the painting was saved from being put on sale in the auction houses by an amazing appeal which managed to raise the whopping £50 million to buy it from the owner.
you can read the story here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana_and_Actaeon_(Titian)

First of all I should point out that along with a lot of ancient mythology, there has been a fair amout of change through history. Originally a Greek myth using Artemis (goddess of the hunt) later his myth was attached to her Roman counterpart Diana. Actaeon was a Theban hero and thought himself something of the master hunter.
According to the Latin version of the story, having accidentally seen Diana (Artemis) while she was bathing with her nympths, Actaeon stumbles onto the scene and boasts of his hunting prowess:cool: . Diana is obviously not impressed :mad:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Feb-2009/83841-649px-Tizian_001main_characters.jpg
Look at how Titian has portrayed the two main characters. Actaeon is in full flow describing how big a stag he's killed. Diana is grabbing a sheet to cover her modesty and shows her displeasure.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Feb-2009/83841-649px-Tizian_001interactions.jpg
Titian shows interesting interplay with the other characters in the scene
1: Actaeon appears to be boasting towards the pretty nymph behind the pillar (I bet this riles Diana even more!)
2: Diana show's her displeasure, can't even look Actaeon in the eye- I think she is looking at the dog behind him, perhaps giving a signal (more later!)
3: The nympth to the right of Diana is looking at him but see how she ominously points to the dog below almost setting the dogs on the hapless huntsman??:wink2:
4: The other nympths are fairly oblivious to the drama and continue their chores (they are necessary or we wouldn't recognise Diana as the focus of their servant attention)

Diana's had enough:evil: , she forbids him to talk any further or she will turn him into a stag!! Actaeon has lost the plot a bit and when he hears the rest of his hunting party nearby he calls out to them with his discovery.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Feb-2009/83841-649px-Tizian_001downfall.jpg

Titian illustrates this with masterful composition, as you can see above. Diana turns him into the stag, and he is then pursued and killed by his fifty hounds.

Quite a story huh?

When you break it down like this, Titian shows how a static image can show multiple parts of the story using crafty composition tricks.

There are other elements such as:
1- the pillar being positioned on the golden mean (supporting the stag head) draws attention;
2- repeating strong red colours to move the eye around;
3- branches, arms, arches and lines of sight all help direct your eye around the picture to the main story elements.

Hope this is helpful, and I welcome comments/questions

Right I've procrastinated enough, I better get to work!!:o

Ryan

artbyjune
02-04-2009, 09:06 AM
That was so interesting. I enjoyed the myth and also the compositional interpretation. Looking forward to seeing your study.

ryster007
02-05-2009, 05:46 PM
Thanks June.

Ok the last coat of gesso dried and I lightly sanded it back for a smooth surface. Time to start drawing. Old master painters were first and foremost excellent draughtsmen. Before even thinking about getting the paint out, Titian would have drawn out many examples to get composition spot on. Then this drawing would be painstakingly transferred to the canvas.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Feb-2009/83841-sketch1.JPG
To start the drawing I took two measurements. Firstly I measured the golden mean (roughly 1/3rds vertically) and worked out the halfway horizontal. I drew these lines in first. These (hopefully!) will be my only actual measurements and from here on I'll just check accuracy using angles and comparing potision against these. The stags head is on the golden mean and I'm drawing lines outward from this to other critical points. Again it becomes apparent how many objects are placed on these lines.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Feb-2009/83841-sketch2.JPG

Okay this is where I'll leave it today!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Feb-2009/83841-sketch3.JPG

WildGoose
02-06-2009, 06:45 PM
Will be watching your progression with interest Ryan!
Question about your underdrawing...pencil or charcoal?
Looks like some shading where some figures are sitting.....will you be using a fixative after it's finished, or as you go?

ryster007
02-06-2009, 07:54 PM
Will be watching your progression with interest Ryan!
Question about your underdrawing...pencil or charcoal?
Looks like some shading where some figures are sitting.....will you be using a fixative after it's finished, or as you go?

Hi Wildgoose

Underdrawing is pencil, mostly down to the scale I'm working at- at this size charcoal would be too loose (though I would use charcoal on anything bigger than 15 x 15inches) for the amount of detail I need I have used 2B and 4B pencil.

Here is the roughed in sketch
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2009/83841-sketch5.JPG

Now I need to decide last alterations/simplifications. I'm going to sleep on it tonight, then make any fixes in the morning with a fresh eye.

The 'shading' is a combination of me smudging lines I'm not quite happy with and also reminding me that although I am sketching a line drawing with edges, some of these edges in the final painting need to be soft or lost edges.
I will be painting over this drawing with acrylic using glaze medium. I don't need any fixative as the image is stable enough. If on a larger scale I had used charcoal then this might be necessary to protect the clarity of the drawing.
:wave:

Cheers
Ryan

ryster007
02-06-2009, 08:22 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2009/83841-sketch_4.JPG

I've posted this as a guide as to how I worked out the drawing for anyone looking to improve their drawing. The vertical line is in the golden mean of my canvas and the horizontal is halfway line. These are the only two lines I've measured with any precision.

From here I've looked for lines that intersect as many objects in the painting. I work out the angle using the side of the pencil, then draw the line. If I'm not sure of the position of a knee or arm I'll compare the angle with another fixed point of the drawing and connect them with a line. If you compare this example with the final rough sketch you can lightly see my lines for this process.

Other techniques for transferring a drawing accurately onto canvas and scaling up might be using the grid technique or measuring distances with a pencil.. Whichever technique you use, for copying an old master accuracy is key (as I previously said these guys are master draughtsmen who might spend weeks getting this just right).

I'm hoping that this is accurate enough for me to get on with the painting stages. Any eagle-eyes out there have the next day and a half to point out any glaring errors if I'm going to fix them :D

As I said previously I'll be using acrylic for this principally so I can use the glazing technique and get this finished by the end of the project. Building up glazes in oil would take too long between layers though to me would be the preferable method. Titian apparently took 2-3 years to complete this work (though it is massive, completed in oils and would have been one of many commissions on the go at one time) due mostly to the glazing time- his results speak for themselves I'm sure you agree.


Hopefuly we'll see some of your work and ideas or indeed comments, please feel free to contribute whatever your level- get stuck in and everyone can learn and improve together:)

jannetie
02-09-2009, 07:43 PM
The movie you saw is called 'Black Orpheus' and is one of my all time favorites. I believe it was made in 1959, and directed by Marcel Camus. I'd be interested in knowing if you had any luck in finding a classical painting of this legend!

[quote=trafford]I'm hooked on Orpheus and Eurydice. I saw a Jean Cocteau movie years ago, which was a modern version of the myth and haven't forgotten it. Think I'll putter around the web and see if I can find any paintings, or maybe just make up my own.

trafford
02-10-2009, 11:16 AM
Hi Jannetie,

Black Orpheus was a wonderful film, but not the one I meant. My Orpheus was part of a trilogy by Jean Cocteau.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphée

Then hollywood made What Dreams May Come with Robin Williams not long ago. Sort of an Orpheus film, that was interesting, but ruined at the end.

I got some reproductions out of Google's images, but not exactly what I want yet. May have to make it up.

Janet :cool:

ryster007
02-10-2009, 04:14 PM
Hi Jannetie,

Black Orpheus was a wonderful film, but not the one I meant. My Orpheus was part of a trilogy by Jean Cocteau.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphée

Then hollywood made What Dreams May Come with Robin Williams not long ago. Sort of an Orpheus film, that was interesting, but ruined at the end.

I got some reproductions out of Google's images, but not exactly what I want yet. May have to make it up.

Janet :cool:

Hi Trafford,

I'm looking forward to your take on it. I found this link on Wikipedia which shows some really good paintings, though most are based on finding his severed head- ouch!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orpheus
Maybe you could watch the movie and find a still from it that has a composition you like. Use this as a start and add element to enhace the further story- get sketching some ideas down!!

Ryan

ryster007
02-10-2009, 04:23 PM
Okay here is my underpainting.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Feb-2009/83841-painting2.JPG

Here I've used ultramarine blue and burnt umber for fairly neutral grey. Using acrylic glaze medium I've done three layers in different values leaving the white of the gesso to show on the brightest lit areas.

Note I haven't gone too dark as even the shadow areas will have other colours glazed over making them subsequently darker. The other advantage of my choice of pigment is their transparency- I can still see my pencil marks at this stage

Ryan

PixelDust
02-10-2009, 04:50 PM
Wow - what a co-incidence. My current project at college is all about Ovid myths and looking at modern interpretations of the stories. And even more of a co-incidence the first one I have chosen to focus on was the Actaeon myth. I would be really interested in what people have to say about this myth.

ryster007
02-10-2009, 06:22 PM
Wow - what a co-incidence. My current project at college is all about Ovid myths and looking at modern interpretations of the stories. And even more of a co-incidence the first one I have chosen to focus on was the Actaeon myth. I would be really interested in what people have to say about this myth.

You've come to the right place PixelDust- welcome!!:wave:

I've posted a summary of the story in previous posts, though I've kept it basic. I'm obviously using Titian's interpretation as a study, as its one of my favourite's- I'm going to see it on Friday here in Edinburgh:thumbsup: , it had been away on loan to London as part of the fund raising effort to save it.

Please post your thoughts on the story and also any of your studies for college, this is a good forum for advice and ideas- and honestly we don't bite!
Are you looking at the Greek or Roman version of the tale?

Ryan

PixelDust
02-11-2009, 09:38 AM
Actually I am looking at Ted Hughes's reinterpretation of the poem and compairing it with Ovid's Roman version.

Thanks for the welcome. I am a little uncertain about posting things up yet but I am sure I will get there.

trafford
02-11-2009, 02:25 PM
Ryan, I've been watching your progress and have learned a lot. I'm sure the finished work will be very good, but for some reason, right now I'm very partial to the underpainting itself. I can't tell you exactly why, sketchy, translucent and color doesn't cover it. Oh, well, I just like it.

Thanks for the site of headless Orpheus. I'm thinking more of 'turn to look at your wife and she drops dead, AGAIN' Not as messy.

ryster007
02-11-2009, 03:17 PM
Ryan, I've been watching your progress and have learned a lot. I'm sure the finished work will be very good, but for some reason, right now I'm very partial to the underpainting itself. I can't tell you exactly why, sketchy, translucent and color doesn't cover it. Oh, well, I just like it.

Thanks for the site of headless Orpheus. I'm thinking more of 'turn to look at your wife and she drops dead, AGAIN' Not as messy.

Definitely less messy!!

Try sketching some ideas and post them I'd be happy to help you get a composition:thumbsup:

ryster007
02-11-2009, 04:15 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Feb-2009/83841-painting3.JPG

Okay underpainting done- time to plunge into the main painting!:eek:

Working from far distance to closest I've started with the soft sky and mountain range

Ryan

PushingPixels
02-16-2009, 08:56 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Feb-2009/106623-pygmalion1a5k.JPG

A recent small drawing of mine, doodled just after watching a DVD called 'Pygmalion'....A film about the flower girl transformed into a high society lady by Professor Higgins. It was based on an older story about a scuptor who fell in love with his carved statue of a woman and wished to bring her alive. I think from Greek mythology. I would need to check up on it.

I think the pre-Raphaelites painted this subject. Was it Edward Burne-Jones, if memory serves me right? I will check up on it .

Many thanks for starting this project, Ryan. It would be rather interesting to attempt a painting based on a classical myth.


June this drawing of Pygmalion is wonderful, I like the shapes and how they seen to meld together into one mass. You might try simplifying it into a line drawing just to see what comes of it. Nice work.

artbyjune
02-16-2009, 11:48 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Feb-2009/106623-pygmalion1a5k.JPG

Here's a first attempt at the Pygmalion & Galatea image. Acrylics, 8 by 10 ins. I used underpainting with glazing on it. It took about 5 or 6 hours to do.

I've added a few bits and pieces to suggest Pygmalion making the statue. Not certain if it 'works' like this. (The arm position on the RHS needs changed, I think).

I used a photo programme to remove the arm. Is it better like this I wonder. And with crop.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Feb-2009/106623-pygmalion1a5ktrial4.jpg

ryster007
02-16-2009, 03:19 PM
I've added a few bits and pieces to suggest Pygmalion making the statue. Not certain if it 'works' like this. (The arm position on the RHS needs changed, I think).



Hi June

I love the addition of the sculptors' tools they really add to the telling of the story:thumbsup: . The whole thing is well painted too!

As to the position of the arms one suggestion as to how they would add to the story is this (sorry for my rough Photoshop revision!)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Feb-2009/83841-106623-pygmalion1a5knew.jpg
This way might help express his feelings of love towards the statue, by resting his head on his hands and looking at it adoringly, while the other is on the sculpture helping illustrate how it was made by his own hand.

I realise this would be a fairly drastic reworking, but compositionally might further increase the story-telling

I hope its helpful:wave:

Ryan

artbyjune
02-16-2009, 05:13 PM
Hi Ryan, the re-position of arms you suggest is also interesting. I will put that into my thinking cap.

I also did another one with a repositioning of hands. I can see I could be at this for ages!!:lol:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Feb-2009/106623-pygmalion2g5k.JPG

ryster007
02-16-2009, 05:29 PM
More progress (all be it slow!!) with the underpainting. Wow it really is making me appreciate the time Titian would have spend working up this painting- I'm building up the painting in gradual layers.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Feb-2009/83841-painting5.JPG

Worked at it for an hour or so tonight- trying to redifine some of the accuracy and edges of the drawing. I'm now a bit happier with the values across the middle ground, Actaeon and the top left area.

I think next I have to tackle the top right area that I've neglected so far, then redine the values of Diana and the nymph to the right of her.

Ryan

ryster007
02-16-2009, 05:41 PM
In between layers if my copy of Titian's Diana & Actaeon, I've started thinking how I can use this as a starting point for a more abstract/contemporary work of my own design.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Feb-2009/83841-sketchabstract.JPG
This is a quick sketch I've done of some of the main elements I want to capture of the story. Actaeon (obviously!!), the dog, stag head and nymphs/Diana. I've tried to capture a bow coming out of the antlers (but not too sure about it at the moment. You see in the sketching process I've continued some of the sketch lines extending out. I'll use some of these to connect to other key focal points and make abstract coloured/textured shapes out of these.

Please feel free to comment or question- I'm still finding my way with it.

Ryan

WildGoose
02-19-2009, 07:01 PM
June-

IMHO I find your last penciled rendition the best , showing just the hand lowered and at rest...there's then no distraction of encompassing arms, and the central statue of his "dream woman' creation is the natural focus for us visually as it is the primary focus for him psychologically!

I think it's also a very natural position for him to in, ( his grand creation is there before him, realized...now he can relax a little, like God on the seventh day :D )!

Think your chosen colour scheme is very attractive, and your tones of light/dark really well balanced in your original painting!

Regards,
Chris/WildGoose

azulparsnip
02-19-2009, 08:33 PM
Ryan - I like watching you work toward the goal, This painting is a momumental piece.

June - I just love the stuff you do with your imagination. I like the colors alot too. It kinda has a bright glow but has earth tones too .

artbyjune
02-20-2009, 09:38 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Feb-2009/106623-pygmalionoils1.JPG

Many thanks for the comments, wildgoose and azulparsnip! Much appreciated.

I decided to go with the last drawing and this is where I got to..8 by 10 ins, oils. Still wet, so glare etc.

In painting, I found his head turning round and so had to do a bit of overpainting to accomodate him!!

May do more in the way of glazing but I am 'pooped'.

How did those old masters do all their work? I know...they had wives to do the cooking and housework. Just joking.

I've enjoyed trying to do a mythological subject in a painting.:D

An Old Lad
02-20-2009, 01:18 PM
How sad you guys are all following Classical Greece and Greek Mythology which is really cool but how about broadening the scope and incoorporating Norse Mythology! Odin, Thor and the others also have galleries to them as well and their stories are just as intriguing and interesting! The Romans merely copied the Greek Pantheon!

Don't forget Beowulf The Dragon, Grendel, and Grendel's Mother--

Artist's interested in Modern Mythology may want to take a look at the origin of Hell through works by Dante, and Milton THE INFERNO, PARADISE LOST

Don't forget the Summarians/Babylonians and THE GILGAMESH EPIC which greatly inspired the Biblical Book of Genesis

Just a few thoughts to ponder in regards to Mythology--

Though the image below is copyrighted I will use it for inspiration. My medium will incoorporate graphite, charcoal, and Oil Pastels--Think William Blake! This is an illustration from Milton's Paradise Lost

The Source: http://www.artsycraftsy.com/dore/dore_milton_miserable.html

artbyjune
02-20-2009, 02:11 PM
Hi an old lad,
'mythology' can incorporate tribal myths from peoples as far flung as Australia, the South Pacific, Asia, and so forth. Any myth inspired work, including 'personal' myth is good material for painting.

William Blake's poems and illustrations are indeed inspiring.

Can't wait to see what you come up with!:thumbsup:

WildGoose
02-20-2009, 07:26 PM
An old lad,
What a moment of regret for that fallen angel!
But a great choice for an artist to potray!:angel: :thumbsup:
Not hard to think Blake!:D

Wouldn't worry too much about copyright; as Gustave Dore' died around 1885 or so...and this engraving is probably from a bit before that.....hard to believe it's not in the public domain at this point...

Look forward to seeing your work!

trafford
02-23-2009, 08:50 AM
June, Pygmalion and Galatea look equally good in each hand change, though oddly enough I'm partial to your original one.

I can see that this mythology thread could go on forever and why doesn't it. There are so many stories and so many gods to do. We do have beasties coming up. :)

Hopefully, will get mine done this week, but it will be a quickie, a poster perhaps. Trying to imagine something besides the usual exit by Orpheus and Eurydice, though that's the best part.

Ryster, coming on well. Really looking good.

Wonderful print, an old lad. Will be looking forward to your post.

OK, back to Orpheus :evil: ....Janet

ryster007
02-24-2009, 05:36 PM
Hey June- I like this version.
The hands look more naturally positioned.

You've done a great job in creating this vision of the story from your imagination

Ryan

ryster007
02-24-2009, 05:41 PM
An Old Lad- What a great reference image!

I absolutely agree that these other sources of mythology are great sources of inspiration. The project is by no means limited to Greek/Roman myths so please share more on any myth you like!!

Just be sure to share the story so we can learn and appreciate the background of the work:)

Ryan

ryster007
02-24-2009, 05:44 PM
I can see that this mythology thread could go on forever and why doesn't it. There are so many stories and so many gods to do. We do have beasties coming up. :)

Hopefully, will get mine done this week, but it will be a quickie, a poster perhaps. Trying to imagine something besides the usual exit by Orpheus and Eurydice, though that's the best part.


I guess there is no reason to set a stop date for the project if its still inspiring people to post.

Looking forward to seeing your work Janet:thumbsup:

ryster007
02-24-2009, 05:51 PM
Okay I'm starting to get to the final stages of my Diana and Actaeon. I've worked to resolve the upper right area of trees and shrubbery. Finding it tough due to the difference in scale between my 15x15 inch panel and Titian's 2m x 2m canvas:eek:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Feb-2009/83841-painting6.JPG
Next I've also started to work up the left side Actaeon and his hound. Leaving it for tonight so I can appraise it with a fresh eye

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Feb-2009/83841-paintings7.JPG

Ryan

artbyjune
02-26-2009, 12:14 AM
Great to see the update Ryan.

Here's a site I stumbled on with info on mythology. Might be worth a look.:thumbsup:

http://www.pantheon.org/

WildGoose
02-28-2009, 07:00 PM
Hi Ryan.

Here's my study for/ take on Flora.. Roman Goddess of Flowers....

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Feb-2009/120243-Flora_j_for_Wc_classical.jpg

Trying to combine a classical style/subject- my charcoal drawing of a woman with upswept hair that I"ve always liked, and have wanted always to place in another context..... with a modern and somewhat abstracted background.....in this case about 6 layers of various floral scans and manipulations from photos I have taken from flowers in my own garden.

Thanks for the opportunity to do this!
It's given me a great deal of pleasure to work on!

If you continue this thread into the next month, I think I'd either work on Pomona, the Goddess of the Harvest/ or on the Greek legend of Icarus in a similiar way..

Why written as study?
....one realization maybe to be the basis for a painting in mixed media/ acrylic someday..Hope so!

trafford
03-03-2009, 06:39 AM
Here's my effort.... I got a little carried away. More like Orpheus and Eurydice in paradise, then darkness and death.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Mar-2009/42757-DSCF0796.jpg

artbyjune
03-03-2009, 01:29 PM
Hi wild goose. I love those colours. Excellent effect. It would be great in paint.

Hi Trafford, I think your caught the look of the tunnel into the underworld very well. Marvellous illustration of the story.

Did the ending of that story have the lovers walking in a paradise after all their effort? Or were they forever separated?

trafford
03-03-2009, 03:02 PM
Thanks June. There are some pictures of maidens holding Orpheus head (that's a head detached from his body) so the outcome doesn't sound too happy.

Wild Goose, like your layered lady a lot.

azulparsnip
03-04-2009, 11:21 PM
Ryan -glad to see it shaping up, and the colors coming on

Wild Goose - that is lyrical and dreamy - definitely has that Goddess look

Janet - Your work often reminds me of Chagall . This is so full of images but uncluttered and deep.......a great work or art....congrats.

ryster007
03-07-2009, 01:03 PM
Great to see the update Ryan.

Here's a site I stumbled on with info on mythology. Might be worth a look.:thumbsup:

http://www.pantheon.org/

Hey June that's a good link for ideas- well found!!

ryster007
03-07-2009, 01:08 PM
Wildgoose- Good work!!! Flora is stunning! You've done a great job on this- it looks very contemporary but draws its inspiration from classical mythology. You definitely get a gold star!
Is this a digital image?

Ryan

ryster007
03-07-2009, 01:11 PM
Trafford- good job on relaying a story. You've managed successfully to integrate many elements of the story.

I agree with Azulparsnip about it having the look of Chagall

Well done!
Ryan

ryster007
03-07-2009, 01:15 PM
Apologies for being absent for a wee bit- work commitments I'm afraid:crying:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2009/83841-painting7.JPG

Here's where my Titian copy is at. Starting to work up the nympths and feeling like I got somewhere today.

Ryan

WildGoose
03-07-2009, 04:19 PM
June, Azul and Trafford-
Thank -you very much for your comments!

Trafford-
The look of your piece is indeed timeless- could be 1870, 1970 or 2010!
Very romantic feel...

Ryster-
Know the original is more toned down, but I like the predominance of the red cloth at present...dramatically frames the action!

Thanks for your comments on my Flora; the wonderful original mural from Pompei has always been one of my favorite works of figurative art from any time...:heart:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2009/120243-FLORA-6_resize_for_wet_canvas.jpg

...She is why, I think, I usually am drawn to drawing life studies from the back; love that graceful turn of her head, and knew I would have to do her from a similiar viewpoint !


My potrayal is indeed digital, but taken only from my own work...back-ground photographs I manipulated , overlaid with a transparent view of a charcoal figure drawing I did...
....I hope to take a mixed media painting course at our local Art college this Spring; and to realize this digital study then as a painting...

WildGoose
04-05-2009, 11:09 PM
RYSTER-

Looking forward to how your painting is turning out!

Thought others interested in this thread and the whole topic of potrayals of Myth in Art might find these additional websites of interest to puruse sometime:

First, Joseph Campbell's myth Blog-

http://www.jcf.org/new/index.php

...if you go to that month's artists heading on the right, it will also let you select archives of artists whose work is concerned with Campbell's wish for one to "follow their bliss'...they do here! Interesting links!

The second link is of a Canadian Photographer and Digital Artist who worked on a very modern take on familiar Mythological figures in a series of Images over a 2 year period from 2006-2008; and has a Gallery posted here. ...and also posts the Classical paintings that inspired his work..

http://www.williampitcher.ca

Enter his Ancient Myth and Modern Metaphors Gallery

The 3rd is The web-site of the Journal of Mythic Arts; which also has an arts section that displays various artist's use of Mythology or Fantasy in their work.

http://www.endicott-studio.com

Choose Journal of Mythic Arts from the menu, and it will take you to where you can select Artist's archives.

Cheers!:wave: