View Full Version : The Fishermen
09-20-2008, 05:55 PM
Alright, I've been working on this for a while now, and I'm down to the end of it... and decided that now is the time to really look for any C&C folks are willing to give.
Gonna do it as a sort of WIP, though... I've been taking pictures all along (and a number of them have been in the What's on your Easel thread), so thought I'd show the progess...
Got the trees laid out in NY when we were up visiting the family:
Getting more shadows and highlights into the trees:
Then, onto the reflections!
Getting the shadows and highlights into the reflections:
Onto the cattails! Also getting some of the foreground grasses set up:
And then, working on the near rocks/bank:
Alright then... gonna put where I'm at right now in the next post...
09-20-2008, 06:10 PM
I love seeing it created as I scroll down. :) It's beautiful and tranquil, so still. Well done!
09-20-2008, 06:19 PM
This is where the painting is at now... my goal for today is to get the far bank done, rocks and all... then finish up the near bank, and start on the people:
And, for reference... the reference!
So... nervous about the people, of course. heheh My main issue right now is this: The hubby said there's something about the reflections of the background and the near grasses that doesn't 'match' in his mind... and he also thinks the near grasses are too bright...
I'll happily take any other C&C folks might have for me... Remember, I may or may not do it, but I'll happily listen to it all... This painting is a gift for my best friend and her husband, and is of her husband and their only son,... It is also being entered into a competition being done my my company and has to be delivered Friday for that competition... so, not lots of time to be playing with stuff, but still some time...
Oh, and any of the pictures I put up can be clicked to get a bigger version of the picture... and I'm fine with anyone that would like to do photoshop suggestions, too. :)
09-20-2008, 06:21 PM
ohhh wow! gorgeous! :clap: I will definitely check back for the addition of the people~
09-20-2008, 07:46 PM
Kat, I think if you brighten up the lightest green reflection (the one right at the edge, just "under" the water surface), the grass will "reflect better", though frankly I think it will all drop into place once you put the people in.
I wouldn't worry about the near grasses being too bright. Put the people in and then see what you think. You can always tone it down later.
This is gorgeous as it is. :clap:
09-20-2008, 08:25 PM
Thanks folk! I've gotten most of the rocks on the far bank done now... wow, they went rather fast! Course, that just brings me closer to the people. heh
Maybe I'll finish up the far bank and do the sign next. :P
Thanks, Angela... which edge, the far bank edge or the near bank edge?
I will say this... it's easier for me to do commission work as opposed to presents for folks... I worry more about the presents! I don't know why... in this case, though, it's probably because it is my best friend, and Jason is one of the few kids I really like. :p
09-20-2008, 08:33 PM
Ok...now that I see the ref...I remember this! How quickly we forget...:)
I think the reflections are ok...cause you are gonna have the people on top? All I have ever questioned, and now that I see the ref, I still do....the color of the nearest grasses are pretty dark and have alot of blue in them...to me. Whereas the ref seems to be a yellower green just a hair darker than the next. If blues recede..and yellows are forward (I always forget the color progression....:o) that might be where the confusion is???
Don't know if this helps or not...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Sep-2008/51170-katlake.jpg it is not perfect but maybe it will give you the idea? Wish I could do trees like you can...they are good!
09-20-2008, 09:44 PM
Outstanding work here!!!! Looks just like a picture!!!!
09-20-2008, 10:42 PM
Thanks Bizkit. I appreciate that! :)
Thanks, Susan, that actually helps... they're not as dark as they look (just can't get a good pic that shows the right lightness overall), but they are blue... I could do a yellowish wash over them and see how that works... might just make it work a little better... Cool!
I've got the rocks on the far bank about how I want them... tonight will be the sign, and the ducks... and maybe sketching Skip and Jason to see how it turns out... I'll be honest, I'm sketching them on paper, and if they come out right, I'm tracing them on the painting. heheheh
Part of me is saying 'You've done people before in your preschool painting, you did them right on the canvas, you did great with them, working them all out as you went!'
Then another part of me is saying 'Oh, shut up. You're not gonna be that lucky twice.'. :lol:
09-20-2008, 11:18 PM
Wonderful Kat!! you have done an excellent job on this.. realy is great!! dont forget the ripples in the water.. helps break up the reflections in the water a bit and give sence of the surface of the water.:thumbsup:
09-21-2008, 08:04 AM
:wave: WoW Kat! I was impressed from shot number one!!!!! Awesome greenery and water and reflections. I remember this reference from a while back; I think you were debating on a composition if my memory serves. I understand your nervousness about putting in the figures but I have no doubt you'll pull it off just as well as you've done so far. As for suggestions, I agree with Kathie's though I understand you're still tweaking, the ripples and distortions in the water and the reflections will take this to the next level. Can't WAIT to see more! :D
Wonderful work. Thanks for sharing your process.
09-21-2008, 12:21 PM
This may be weird, but I really like the trees in the very first picture. But seriously, you're doing great. Keep listening to the first voice.
09-21-2008, 03:33 PM
Thanks folks. :)
Yeah, the ripples will be one of the last things I put in... I wanted to have all the reflection done first (including the people) so I could then put the 'stuff' (algae or weeds or whatever is poking up through the water) in and have it consistant throughout the whole water, not have to try and match.
And yeah, I was worrying about the composition... I think it's turned out ok... I would have liked to have them lower on the canvas a bit, but I didn't want to lose so much of their reflection...as it is, I think I'll still be losing a little bit of it, but it'll be alright... might put the log across there (as Roger suggested) if it looks like it will be cut off... course, might put it in there anyway,... I think it would look really good that way.
I'm also thinking of playing with the far away tress and 'breaking them up' a little bit... not having so much clumping... not sure yet, though. They look good, so that would be a 'I have time to play with it' thing. heh
Got the sign mostly in yesterday and will finish it and the ducks before taking another picture (got confirmation that they are ducks and not geese. heh Had to carefully get her to tell me that one! :lol:)
Thanks, folks... y'all's input helps more than you know. :) (and yes, the first voice is starting to win out. heh)
09-21-2008, 04:36 PM
Hi Kat - these paintings with a lot of green are difficult to pull off, so well done in getting a nice range of greens. However, there is something a little bit out of kilter with the painting at the moment - I think this is because the reflections are more detailed and have a greater tonal variation than the actual trees and grasses themselves. You could help this by putting a glaze over the pond to "deaden" both the detail and tonal variation - and as Kathie, I think was, suggested-- add some horizontal ripples to break up the reflected image.
09-21-2008, 07:57 PM
love the progression and WOW the reflections really pop!!
09-21-2008, 08:51 PM
Kat, I was talking about the far bank edge. Sorry it took so long for me to get back here :)
09-21-2008, 09:07 PM
I will be, Walter... and thanks! I love working with lots of green... I think because I like the challenge of all the different types. :)
Thanks Holly. Don't know that I'll be doing reflections for a while again because they are so hard, but I'm pleased everyone likes this one...
No problem in taking time, Angela... wasn't that long anyway, and I've still got time on this. I think I see what you mean now, too... Let me get the reflections of the rocks in there and brighten up that grass some and get a picture of it, and let me know if I still need more brightness.
Ducks... bah... Can't make them too detailed because then they won't 'match', but need to make sure they look like ducks... how annoying is that! I'm thinking if I make one or two of them obvious mallard males that will help with that... I hope. heh
Thanks for looking and commenting folks!
09-22-2008, 10:03 AM
This is so pretty, you just want to sit down and fish. You are doing a great job :)
09-22-2008, 11:26 AM
Ok, new picture to show... never got back to the reflection of the sign after I got Skip and Jason sketched and then transfered onto the canvas... I just wanted to get started on them!
(click for a bigger image)
It's weird how odd they look with only part of them painted, but the outline in there. heh
Only real question I have here is... do the ducks look too big? I didn't get to mallard-izing any of them yet because I wanted a little time to make sure their size was right... and I haven't decided if it is yet. heh.
09-22-2008, 11:40 AM
The ducks do look slightly big. In the reference none of them "touch" the bottom of the tall grasses behind them. But it's not a big difference, and whether you have to change them or not depends on how nitpicky you are, lol.
09-22-2008, 02:12 PM
That helps a lot, actually... They looked big to me, but I wasn't sure why... now I'm wondering if my light, shorter grass might be shorter than in the reference and that's why... easy enough to fix either way, though, especially since I'm not done with them anyway. Thanks! The hubby says they're too evenly spaced, too, and look 'shooting gallery like' as he put it... That's my OCD kicking in, I guess... didn't even realize I'd done that till he mentioned it! :lol:
09-22-2008, 03:22 PM
This is excellent so far. The only thing I notice that is a bit off is the reflection of the largest tree near the center. Some of the leaf bunches look a little solid. I think the ducks look fine.
09-24-2008, 11:16 AM
Getting close to the end on this one... and I'm thrilled with how it's going! Might have to trim the ducks down because I think I made them bigger when I was 'fixing' them... :o But I'm thrilled with how Skip and Jay have come out,... a little refining to them, add in their reflection (and the ducks reflections) and then it's all ripples and water adjustment! (the tree reflection has driven me a little nuts, too, and I'm hoping to fix that with the ripples and a little work)
And a detail shot of the people:
(click for a bigger image as usual)
The color is a bit off... didn't have time this morning to put them on my computer at home, so I'm dealing with the work computer and basically adjusting them in a program that has little features and that I'm not familiar with at all.. but at least they're here. heh
Any C&C is welcome.. have to deliver this on Friday, so time is short...
09-24-2008, 11:44 AM
The people are excellent! I think the grasses behind them could use more variation and blending of colours, if that makes sense. Mix them up a bit rather than having two such distinct areas of colour.
And the background trees may be just a little to fuzzy looking.
09-24-2008, 12:41 PM
This is really coming along Kat...can't wait for more!
09-24-2008, 01:26 PM
Yes indeed - this is finalizing into a right grand painting... :thumbsup::thumbsup:
09-24-2008, 01:39 PM
You are doing great, you've been given alot of good advise. It's a beautiful painting as it stands, but what a personal touch once the people come in. Have to admit I'm curious what the sign says though. Can't wait to see the finished one.
09-24-2008, 01:43 PM
ooooo terrific! you are GOOD! :clap:
09-24-2008, 04:40 PM
Kat, oh you were worried about the figures, they're fantastic! This is absolutely wonderful, all I'm waiting for is the "bobber"..LOL
Seriously a winner!
09-24-2008, 06:47 PM
It has been a pleasure to watch the progression of this picture. It is definitely a keeper and I'll be among those watching for the final shot.
:clap: Great going!
09-24-2008, 07:17 PM
Thanks folks... Yeah, I was worried about the people, but they came together nicely. Might play around with the grasses behind them, and with the background trees... Just have to see what time allows... thankfully, with the people almost done, I can concentrate on their reflection, and then the water. The nice thing is, now that the reflection and the background mostly match, and with all the weedy/algae/ripples that go in the water, if I adjust the background trees, I won't need to mess with the reflected trees all that much.
And yay for Golden Open! That's what I'll be doing the ripples and all that with... both so I have more open time with it, and also so if I don't like how it looks, I can sorta wipe it off and start over. heh
09-25-2008, 12:43 PM
Sharon, the sign says no fishing beyond this point. If you haven't noticed yet, clicking her pictures will open them bigger.
09-25-2008, 12:46 PM
THis is so very, very good. The textures, values, reflections are all fantastic. Makes me want to go skip some rocks. Well done!
09-25-2008, 01:03 PM
Oops, I knew I was missing a question... Yeah, Michelle's got the sign right... I had to have that in there, it was just too funny and cute to me.
Thanks Artchristy... go enjoy outside while you still can! :D
09-25-2008, 01:05 PM
Gosh Kat, this is just splendid.
Weren't you giving this one as a gift?
(Who thinks that the recipient will be thrilled)
09-25-2008, 02:59 PM
Yeah, it will be a Christmas present for my best friend and her husband (I don't know that their son will love it nearly as much as them, but he does like art, so I can hope. heh). Entering it in a show that runs from Monday till Decemter 3, so I've gotta get it in tomorrow...
09-26-2008, 09:51 AM
Yay! Actually finished this up lateish last night... I'm mostly pleased with it, but please remember, while I have to put it in the show, it won't be delivered to the owners until Christmas so I'm more than happy to get more C&C on it, and can still make adjustments, so don't hesitate just because I'm saying 'finished'. heh
As usual, click on the image for a bigger version. For a REAL big 'oh my goodness' version, click right here. (http://www.curtumevexas.com/images/ArtPieces/TheFishingTrip/InProgress/TheFishermen092708.jpg)
The only thing I'm not totally pleased with is the father's face... it doesn't look bad, per se, but it doesn't look quite right to me.. at least, it doesn't look like him... so if anyone has any insight, I'm happy to hear it.
The ripples are a little hard to see in the photo... Mostly obvious when you're standing and looking at it... I might try to get a better picture later in the day..
Thanks for looking!
09-26-2008, 10:05 AM
It looks fantastic. You'll have to let us know how it does in the show. I'm pretty sure your friend's son will love it, after all that's him in there. I really like how the fishermen's reflections came out.
09-26-2008, 10:05 AM
Yay! Great finish!!! :clap: The figures look perfect.
09-26-2008, 11:18 AM
Thanks! Yeah, Sharon, that's what I'm hoping... I want him to enjoy it as much... and, ya know... wouldn't mind encouraging a little creativity in him. hehhe His dad has him doing sports, so I think a little art might balance that. :D (yes, I love this little boy, he's one of the few that I really like!)
Thanks, Linda... people just worry me, but I might be getting over that some.. heh
09-26-2008, 12:44 PM
Kat - Bravo! This is just marvelous, from start to finish.
Everything definite where it should be an subtle where is needs to be to make it come alive, I love it!!
09-26-2008, 01:31 PM
That is one very enjoyable painting to look at... :thumbsup::thumbsup:
09-26-2008, 01:31 PM
Kat, this turned out beautifully! I love the trees and foliage in the background and great job on the figures!
09-26-2008, 04:56 PM
:clap: :clap: :clap: WOW! Kat, this is absolutly beautiful.
09-26-2008, 05:11 PM
it's really really beautiful...i cannot imagine one thing needs to be changed! :clap:
09-26-2008, 05:45 PM
:clap: Thanks so much for showing us all your steps to the finished painting. I've closely followed the progression in each picture and admire your final picture. A little boy and his dad spending one-on-one time together will be a treasured memory through the years to come. -- I'd not worry about the dad's face, the beautiful theme is a dad and his little son spending time together, a theme that cannot be improved upon. Great going and what a Christmas present! I'd like to be on your Christmas list!:lol:
09-26-2008, 08:27 PM
:clap: :clap: :clap: Very beautiful!
09-26-2008, 09:21 PM
09-27-2008, 11:44 AM
You did a great job on this one too ,Kat.i love the way you rendered the trees,the reflections in the water,the people.I enjoyed your Wip.
09-27-2008, 01:57 PM
*blush* Thank you, all of you... It's nice to get such rave reviews from the people I respect on here. Y'all make me feel better about the whole thing! :) *hugs*
09-30-2008, 12:15 PM
I almost missed the finish. Great job Kat!
09-30-2008, 12:48 PM
Yeah, it got bumped off the first page pretty quickly... heheheh Thanks, Michelle!
09-30-2008, 03:06 PM
Kat, this turned out just great! Especially good job on the figures! I only notice the ducks after looking to see what the man points to, that's good painting. Very nice.
09-30-2008, 08:20 PM
:wave: How perfect is THIS! WoWoW! Absolutely awesome Kat!!!!! :clap: :clap: :clap:
09-30-2008, 08:41 PM
Great job. They should be very happy. :)
Fantastic work! You have created a beautifully tranquil painting, a pleasure to view.
I've been watching this one---Great finish! Ruthie
09-30-2008, 09:52 PM
:) Thank you all so much... I almost wish I could keep it... hhehehe Naaa, not really... it'll be all the better knowing it's hanging in the house of someone that will cherish it.
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