View Full Version : Next reproduction from Russia : a copy from a picture of Alma-Tadema

08-07-2008, 12:36 PM
Last process of my painting you can see here: http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=501953
And now i talk about next painting - reproduction from picture "A Coign of vantage" of Alma-Tadema.
For this work i used canvas 40x70cm. I go to that way, which artpapa showed.
It's multilayer old-flemish technique.

The 7 layers are as follows:
- Imprimatura
- Umber underlayer 1
- Umber underlayer 2
- Dead layer
- Color layer 1
- Color layer 2
- Some transparent layers. :)

It has been made on March, 5th 2008. :rolleyes:
And it's the first layer above a contour on canvas, imprimature. I mixed light ochre, prussian blue, burnt umber, and a little black, and more white. Yet it did not become
tone so light like a light part of the sky.


08-07-2008, 12:45 PM
2. Umber underlayer 1.
After 7 days of drying.
Burnt umber with linseed oil+ 2/3 pinen, +1/3 damar varnish.
I have spent 4 hours for the first part, and 3 hours for the second.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Aug-2008/144896-making_of_alma_02.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Aug-2008/144896-making_of_alma_03.jpg

08-07-2008, 02:43 PM
This is amazing, Olga!

Once again, I am watching and look forward to your updates!

I am only using the 7 layer technique now, and my umber layers aren't nearly as successful as yours from the look of it.

08-08-2008, 04:40 AM
Wow, this is not to be missed ...

08-08-2008, 04:46 AM
3. Umber underlayer 2. Burnt umber.


08-08-2008, 05:04 AM
4. Dead layer. Consists of ivory black, Burnt umber, prussian blue, white.
I deliberated some time, in what color to color, and have chosen prussian blue, because it on half of picture. If I shall write it once again - I shall try other way. :o
I was making this layer some days because folds, faces and hands.:rolleyes:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Aug-2008/144896-making_of_alma_05.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Aug-2008/144896-making_of_alma_07_2.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Aug-2008/144896-making_of_alma_07.jpg

08-08-2008, 05:10 AM
It is necessary to tell, that a format of a source not the 40x70cm, but at home the canvas stood idle and I have thought:rolleyes:... why to not add a few sky and a balcony from above and from below. I think, Alma-Tadema have not taken offence.:cat:

08-08-2008, 05:20 AM
5. Color layer 1.
I have started to paint with the sky, counting in the future to paint blue in different shades transparent layers, in more cold on sky and more warm on sea.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Aug-2008/144896-making_of_alma_08.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Aug-2008/144896-making_of_alma_08_2.jpghttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Aug-2008/144896-making_of_alma_09.jpg

08-08-2008, 05:53 AM
6-7... Color_layer_2 and some transparent layers.
Some things to me have ceased to please also I them has recoloured in general, it are pink and yellow dresses, red scarf, sky. :(
Layers it has turned out much more than it would be desirable....much more!:rolleyes:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Aug-2008/144896-making_of_alma_09_2.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Aug-2008/144896-Copy_of_alma-tadema_3girls.jpg

08-08-2008, 06:01 AM
I have varnished the finished picture and have inserted into a double frame.:thumbsup:
I hope, you liked my history. Thanks that have read up to the end. :wave:


Rose Queen
08-08-2008, 11:51 AM
Olga, your work is simply fantastic! Bravo!!

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08-08-2008, 02:39 PM
:clap: Thanks, I hope someone it will useful. :angel:

08-09-2008, 03:37 PM
Thank you again for sharing your work, Olga!

It is very helpful to the rest of us to see this process painted by such a practiced and talented hand!

08-10-2008, 04:22 AM
Thanks you! Next a process will the next Bouguereau. :)

08-11-2008, 03:21 PM
Beautiful work, Olga, looking forward to the Bouguereau.

08-12-2008, 02:22 PM
Yes, Olga... we are always very grateful when artists produce a step by step like this. Thanks very much for taking the time to do so and for any future progressions you post. :)

Grace and peace,


08-13-2008, 01:57 AM
Thanks :)

08-13-2008, 02:44 PM
Wonderful, wonderful work! Fantastic quality. Thanks for sharing...I completely enjoyed this fascinating demo.

08-24-2008, 06:11 PM
Thank you, Olga, for taking the time to post this thread. Your work is excellent and has helped me to understand that I was missing a process when doing my own work - the dead layer! But, please, is this layer completely opaque or is it transparent?

08-24-2008, 09:23 PM
Olga, this is a wonderful WIP! I'm only vaguely familiar with oils, just did a few amateur paintings, so forgive me if my question sounds silly:) WHy do you need TWO undercoats, first brown and then black???? If I was to paint anything in oils I wouldn't use any undercoats at all LOL (but that's because I don't know why one needs it:))

08-31-2008, 01:40 PM
To malcolmuk:
When you paint dead layer- it looks completely opaque. But after 2 weeks it becomes less bright and more transparent. The black becomes more light, and white is more dark.

To TBond: It is good question. Each time I do not know, how many underpaintings I should make. Certainly, it would be desirable less.:cat: And when I paint the underpainting, I hope that it is last. But after already 2х weeks of drying it becomes so transparent that if on it to paint a dead layer, it all the same what half to do work anew from nature. To do tone is more dark faster умбра than paints of a dead layer.
I tried to paint a dead layer without umber: after some days the layer became half transparent and non-uniformly and stains, and I had to paint a second dead layer on this fragment.
TBond, you should to try pass the stage in a small picture - and the understanding will come. :)

09-06-2008, 10:46 AM
wow wow wow wow thats is an amazing painting! I'm jealous!

09-07-2008, 10:46 AM
Wow, you are really great!

09-08-2008, 03:12 AM
Beautiful, Olga. I looked into this forum just by chance, and have a book from the library with a photo of the painting you have just done! :clap:

09-17-2008, 01:27 PM
:wave: Olga,
I have so much enjoyed your painting and learning from you too.:music:

Thank you for posting.

Your work is fantastic!:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

10-16-2008, 03:54 PM
Absolutely wonderful work, Olga! Thanks for showing us step by step how you got to the finished painting, very educational. Looking foward to the next painting!
:clap: :clap:

10-26-2008, 08:15 PM
Thanks for documenting your work here Olga.

A question, what is pinen?


indira kumar
10-26-2008, 11:22 PM
I am a new member to wet canvas .com .It is very informative and interesting site .I do oil painting and tanjore paintings ,which is a traditional art from south of india .

10-27-2008, 03:48 PM
Hi Indira, welcome, so pleased to meet you, and happy that you've found us.

You should post a self-introduction on "Welcome Forum-New Users."

We look forward to seeing some of your paintings.

10-27-2008, 08:03 PM
A great achievement.

Kind regards,

11-05-2008, 05:39 AM
It seems that you do a lot of under paintings working with thin layers...How long does it usually take you to finish a piece?

12-08-2008, 11:14 PM
Olga, your work is breathe taking. I am not an oil painter, I am an airbrush artist that is trying to convert to fine art. I am getting ready to take some lessons in January and hada few questions regarding your technique and materials.

1. In your third layer, you mix burnt umber and burnt umbe to achieve the darker tones? How much time did you allow between this layer and the previous?

2. I am trying to understand the purpose of layers 2 and 3. I tlooks like you covered everything you did in these layers with the dead layer. I could understand if you would have left the skin tones untouched and just highlight them in this layer.

3. What is pinen?

4. How does Damar varnish differ from final varnish?

I am sorry for the very ignorant questions but I have such a strong desire to jump in but don't have a ton of money to burn in wasted materials by doing things the wrong way.

Thanks for your time,
Santiago Perez

02-21-2009, 12:52 AM
"what is pinen?" - it was usual pinen, made in Russia.
"How long does it usually take you to finish a piece?"- Usually I spend for the person near 5 hours of persistent work, and I try to choose time that nobody distracted me. Now I paint the small copy - the girl with animals, i spend for one layer 2-3 days.

02-21-2009, 01:06 AM
To santperez:
1. It is usual umber underpainting. I can't to talk about time, in summer on sun it may be 3 days.
2. I cover skin too.
3. Except for the top glazes, it is not important for me what pinen.
4. Final varnishs are different.

Thanks by quastions :)

02-24-2009, 05:04 PM
Sorry for late comment, but I have just seen your work and had to say something, some methodical painters ,go mechanically about there paintings even thought it looks grat , But yours is beautiful,and speaks, I love the way you painted the reflected lights, the ones that I can see anyways. :) :) :) :) :) :music: :music: :music: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

03-01-2009, 05:39 AM
Nice to see that more people are using Alexei's methode! Great work Olga! :clap:

03-18-2009, 10:59 PM
Wow Olga, you have done such an amazing job. :clap:

I have question about the two umber underlayers. Do you add white and black to burnt umber for the highlights and shadows in the underlayers ?

04-09-2009, 03:53 AM
Olga, WOW, you've absolutely mastered the classical techniques. I can only dream of being able to paint like that and honestly, despite it being such a long and heartfelt dream of mine, I don't know if I have the necessary patience. Might I ask how long it took to make the initial drawing? (Ya tak voskhishayus vashey rabotay, shto dazhe slov ne nakhozhu). -- Mary

04-22-2009, 02:52 PM
To Monty87: No. Only burn umber.
To Msegev: It is reproduction by Alma-Tadema, therefore I has transferred drawing through a carbon paper. (через копирку)

Sana Almimar
04-25-2009, 10:37 AM
Hello Olga
Your painting is really amazing .Thank you very much for sharing.
May i ask you one question please ;
Is there any other name to the pinen ,is there any thing equivalent to it ,please???
Thank you very much for answering

04-28-2009, 10:44 AM
It seems to me, pinen have different names in other countries.
Venetian pinen is not our pinen. :)
Last time i can to paint using lines oil only and understand that the pinen is not most important.

05-28-2009, 07:48 PM
Such good painting.

06-03-2009, 02:29 PM
You can see my next lesson of 7-layer Flemish techniques here http://www.ribakova.com/lessons?id=17

06-06-2009, 07:06 PM
rally thanks alot
i hope be like u Tomorrow

06-09-2009, 01:04 AM
Thank you so much Olga for sharing with us. I am awestruck by your work. :)

06-09-2009, 05:58 PM
Ah, so pinen is Russian turpentine.

06-11-2009, 03:16 AM
My be.
It is not similar on Venetian turpentine absolutely.
It is so solvent. It is liquid and transparent as water.

09-23-2009, 02:17 PM
Dear Olga! I love all of your works! u r amazing! :) could u tell me the skin colours what did u use? :) 10k u :)

10-04-2009, 02:35 PM
I haven't a concrete solution for skin colors every time. I am searching a new mix for new copy and new light. Usually there are light ochre, sienna, burnt sienna, neapolitan pink, neapolitan skin, neapolitan orange, violet cobalt, burnt umber, blue cobalt, swamp paint and so on. Thank you for question.:)

10-15-2009, 09:27 AM
Thankyou it is beautiful to see your work.

I have worked pretty much in isolation using the old masters glazing techniques (as I have interpreted them) for 35years. In my 'world' it has not been the fashionable thing to do... It is a lifetime journey is it not!

my avator is the painting that I copied at the beginning of my observations and practice.

I will share with you my copy of Holbeins' Sir Thomas Moore -oil on masonite

love your work

10-16-2009, 10:02 AM
Olga thankyou for sharing.

How long did this painting take from start to finish?

10-16-2009, 05:48 PM
This is unbelievably beautiful. What awesome painting you have done. Each color, each stroke is perfect.


10-19-2009, 08:34 AM
I spend for one picture 3-6 monthes usually. I am painting some pictures simultaneously.

10-31-2009, 03:10 PM
Great job, Olja! Love your painting!

11-07-2009, 11:27 AM
Hello Olga,

I love your work! It is absolutely beautiful. Thank-you so much for posting your process. I enjoyed your thread and you are truly an inspiration. :)

11-10-2009, 11:54 PM
Olga, How marvelous you are to explain how you are planning and layering and showing us your process. You do exquisite work!


bruce johnson
11-29-2009, 07:05 PM
Wow.. thats very impressive Olga.. amazing work.. :clap: :clap:

lovin art
02-04-2010, 03:13 PM
This is gorgeous Olga, i do love the richness of this painting, and it looks wonderful framed.......very inspiring, im working on a Bouguereau at the moment and its scareing the hell out of me.......thankyou for shareing this beautiful peice of artwork..!!!

02-16-2010, 08:43 AM
Thank you Thank you! Beautiful-exquisite!!!

03-28-2010, 03:36 AM
wow breathtaking!

03-28-2010, 09:06 AM
Pinen(Pinene) is basically a solvent,Turpentine contains 60% of it.

04-26-2010, 04:23 PM
Hi! :clap: :clap: :clap:

This is new video about my last painting:

Music, FX, HD-quality. :music: :thumbsup:

05-15-2010, 05:29 PM
hello you are dawing very good

05-19-2010, 11:39 PM
That is spectacular!!!!! You're a really good artist and kind to show us your progress. I can only wish I could do that. thank you

truck driver
05-21-2010, 01:00 PM
"what is pinen?" - it was usual pinen, made in Russia.
"How long does it usually take you to finish a piece?"- Usually I spend for the person near 5 hours of persistent work, and I try to choose time that nobody distracted me. Now I paint the small copy - the girl with animals, i spend for one layer 2-3 days.

pinen is turpentine in english.

literal translation oil of pine ;)


05-28-2010, 04:51 PM
hi do you very good drawing

09-04-2010, 12:07 PM
olga- i was writing in some thread earlier about these guys in china who work full time doing repros
you should be getting a lot of cash for that- hope you sell your work for thousands-

09-14-2010, 06:43 PM
olga- i was writing in some thread earlier about these guys in china who work full time doing repros
you should be getting a lot of cash for that- hope you sell your work for thousands-

She has a website where she does sell, and it has some gorgeous paintings on there

Maria del Valle
10-15-2010, 05:58 PM
Olga, just I can to say... wowww!!:thumbsup:
Your work is amazing!!!
Thanks by sharing

10-29-2010, 01:04 AM
Hello Olga,
I am new to this webpage, and was jumping around looking at different artist works. I must say that I am stunned at the beauty with which you put to canvas. Your layered style really impresses me. I am 70 and I paint wet on wet were most of my colors are blended on canvas to get the tones of color I want. I am going to study a little and try layering as you do, What percentage of your paints are of a transparent color. I have been to your website, and all your work is so fantastic. I wish I could read Russian to understand what you have writen.. Thank You for posting such great work...

11-15-2010, 04:24 PM
WOW.....a masterpiece.... the seven layer method really seems to build it up nicely....is this method from the Russian/flemish Masters.....will do some research. You must be very happy with the result.

Monet monster
04-07-2012, 07:29 AM
Olga, I visted your website and wow! your work is amazing.Alma tadema is one of my favourites and the Cherries one with the tiger skin his wife lies on is fantastic.Inspirational!

04-08-2012, 02:31 PM
hi wow amazing work in progess you ended up with a stunning piece of art i really enjoyed seeing this one comming together from paula

04-10-2012, 05:45 AM
Beautiful. love the way you explain how you create your paintings

04-29-2012, 05:04 PM
Extra ordinary. Just beautiful work. Jan 5

11-28-2012, 04:23 AM
Wow, well done!!! You are very talented.

12-03-2012, 09:37 AM
Simply amazing! perfect! I like a lot this oil painting, excellent technique! Congratulations, I hope someday to apply this technique.

12-15-2012, 06:04 AM
What perseverance! And what patience!! Inspiring indeed.

04-07-2013, 12:55 PM
What beautiful work....thanks:)