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Hiraeth
07-19-2008, 09:32 PM
Here's one I've been working on today. I made a HUGE mistake (originally had an 's' on the end of commandment in line 7--edited it out of the scan) so it'll need to be lettered again.

Next time through I plan to pick out 'law of the Lord', 'testimony of the Lord', 'precepts of the Lord', 'commandments of the Lord', 'fear of the Lord', and 'rules of the Lord' in color--in the traditional red, blue, red, green, red medieval color pattern.

My question for you, Rosemary: is there a place for some simple knots in this design?

Also, I am thinking about extending the bottom of the 'P' to just below the last line of text next time.

Constructive criticism is definitely what I'm looking for.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jul-2008/144882-Psalm_19_wip.JPG.
(I bought the paper in a large lot, 24 x24 tablet, unlabled. Pretty sure it's watercolor paper. It has a rough tooth, so I'm surprised at how well the ink laid down. It looks oddly discolored in the scan, probably because it is bigger than the scanning bed. I used Calli burgundy and Calli black acrylic ink. Osmiroid B4 for the large letters and medium nib for the text.)

marie_d
07-20-2008, 03:47 AM
Nice verse Kim, neat clean lettering... the 'P' I think would look better extended as you say to keep the text together,like an ornate margin. Cant wait to see the coloured pieces in the text. Talking about colour, would you not fancy putting gold dots around the 'P' instead of the body colour?
Will be watching for your next step.

TessDB
07-20-2008, 08:04 AM
My question for you, Rosemary: is there a place for some simple knots in this design?

hee-hee~ There's *always* room for knots! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hope you don't mind, I pulled your image into photoshop to show you what I think might work really nicely...

If you elongate the stem of the "P" (love the red dots, btw-- *very* nice & authentic touch) past the text, you could create a braid (3 bands) or 4 band plait (see the running borders tutorial) to wrap around the text (the poorly done black lines. :rolleyes: ) & create a frame of sorts. You'd need to allow for more space at the side, but it would work really nicely. If you didn't want to mess with cornering, you could easily just do bars that almost meet. And if you left the ends of it open, so you have 3 or 4 distinct bands, you could do each band in one of the colors you're going to use on the text. And by leaving the ends open, you won't make yourself crazy trying to get it to be one band...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jul-2008/46497-Kim1.jpg

You could also move the Psalm 19:7-9 up, and run a braid/plait between it & the text, as well as one at the bottom. And you could easily box it in on the side, too. (although I didn't here)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jul-2008/46497-Kim2.jpg

Make sense? Clear as mud? :lol: Just shout if you have any questions!
Settling in to watch your progress!

Rosemary

Hiraeth
07-20-2008, 08:05 AM
Hi Marie,

I was tired and frustrated last night, so I didn't have another go at lettering the whole thing, but I DID play around with gold on the versal. (great minds run in the same track, I guess)

Here's what I came up with. Lettering is dashed off--don't look too close.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jul-2008/144882-psalm_gold_dot.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jul-2008/144882-p_gold_in.JPG

Nice verse Kim, neat clean lettering... the 'P' I think would look better extended as you say to keep the text together,like an ornate margin. Cant wait to see the coloured pieces in the text. Talking about colour, would you not fancy putting gold dots around the 'P' instead of the body colour?
Will be watching for your next step.

Hiraeth
07-20-2008, 08:11 AM
Hey! Pull them into photoshop whenever you want! I'm here to learn!

Oh, I really, really, really like the second one and it seems like something that would be easier for me to attempt.

Why couldn't I see that before? Was it because I didn't think about incorporating the knots at the same time I was considering the layout for the lettering?

Oh, I can't wait to get home from church today! : D I can't wait to get back to my drawing board.

Speaking of drawing board. I was thinking about starting a new thread about workspace. I love to see other people's studios/scriptoriums. Think anyone except me would be interested in posting up pictures of their studios/workspaces?

hee-hee~ There's *always* room for knots! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hope you don't mind, I pulled your image into photoshop to show you what I think might work really nicely...

If you elongate the stem of the "P" (love the red dots, btw-- *very* nice & authentic touch) past the text, you could create a braid (3 bands) or 4 band plait (see the running borders tutorial) to wrap around the text (the poorly done black lines. :rolleyes: ) & create a frame of sorts. You'd need to allow for more space at the side, but it would work really nicely. If you didn't want to mess with cornering, you could easily just do bars that almost meet. And if you left the ends of it open, so you have 3 or 4 distinct bands, you could do each band in one of the colors you're going to use on the text. And by leaving the ends open, you won't make yourself crazy trying to get it to be one band...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jul-2008/46497-Kim1.jpg

You could also move the Psalm 19:7-9 up, and run a braid/plait between it & the text, as well as one at the bottom. And you could easily box it in on the side, too. (although I didn't here)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jul-2008/46497-Kim2.jpg

Make sense? Clear as mud? :lol: Just shout if you have any questions!
Settling in to watch your progress!

Rosemary

Hiraeth
07-20-2008, 08:27 AM
OK, I'm still thinking about this. Once I get the braid in place, I'll probably need help in figuring out where to put the color.

TessDB
07-20-2008, 08:29 AM
Glad to get your idea fairies all excited! :D And just shout if you need help (color or otherwise :) )

And sure! Start a new thread for workspace. I can *always* use new storage/organizing ideas.

Rosemary

TessDB
07-20-2008, 09:22 AM
Forgot to comment on the variations of the "P"! :eek:

I like the one with gold for the body & the red dots surrounding it. Although, for this verse, it might be too much? maybe? Restraint is *not* one of those things I'm good at! Hubby frequently walks past my drawing table while I'm muttering to myself and whispers "stop gilding the lily". Darn him. he's usually right... (once again, do *not* tell him I said that! :lol: )

There's a celtic artist you might like to peek at:

Michael Carrol (http://www.mccelticdesign.com/gallery.htm)

Now, he *is* aiming for historical accuracy (uses quills! :eek: )... But lots of good eye candy. :D

Rosemary

Hiraeth
07-20-2008, 01:17 PM
Thanks for the link. Fabulous work, indeed, and historically accurate--as far as it goes. He's reproducing them with thoroughly modern techniques, (giclees).

We will never be able to truly produce work in the exact same manner or with the exact same materials. However, that does not in any way limit us as artists and craftsmen:

"Endeavoring to attain this freedom we may make Rules and Methods serve us, knowing that Rules are only Guides and that Methods are suggested by the work itself; from first to last our necessary equipment consists in good models, good tools, and good will. Within the limits of our craft we cannot have too much freedom. . ." Edward Johnston, Writing and Illuminating and Lettering



Michael Carrol (http://www.mccelticdesign.com/gallery.htm)

Now, he *is* aiming for historical accuracy (uses quills! :eek: )... But lots of good eye candy. :D

Rosemary

marie_d
07-20-2008, 02:35 PM
Just a quickie, got a couple of minutes to myself.

I like Rosemary's second idea with the braid running underneath the title and
across the bottom.

I like your red 'P' with the gold, I think the design of the letter fits better with the verse lettering.

Hiraeth
07-20-2008, 04:51 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jul-2008/144882-psalm_19_one_braid.JPG

OK. Here's what I've got so far. Obviously, I haven't lettered in the Versal/title and I'll have to copy the braid under the last line before I do that, but I wanted you to take a look.

I have no earthly idea how to color the braid. I ran a copy of my pencil work and played around with it but I don't like any of the things I've tried so far. :eek: I'd like to keep it to a maximum of three colors--red, green and blue.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jul-2008/144882-braid_colors.JPG

HELP!!! I am SO out of my league here! :o (and my comfort zone)

Hiraeth
07-20-2008, 05:19 PM
Do you mean the red one with the gold filling? That's the one I'm leaning toward.
Just a quickie, got a couple of minutes to myself.

I like Rosemary's second idea with the braid running underneath the title and
across the bottom.

I like your red 'P' with the gold, I think the design of the letter fits better with the verse lettering.

TessDB
07-21-2008, 07:21 AM
Your plait looks good, Kim! :thumbsup: And you've got big points for making it all one band! :D

As far as color... What about something like this? (please excuse the sloppy photoshopping! :rolleyes: )

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Jul-2008/46497-Kim07.21.jpg

Rosemary

Hiraeth
07-21-2008, 07:29 AM
OOOooo! I like the way you distributed the color! I'm going to copy it just the way you have it.

(By the time I get this piece done, I'll have to give you attribution even though I physically rendered it. Your help has really made this piece distinctive.)

TessDB
07-21-2008, 07:43 AM
(By the time I get this piece done, I'll have to give you attribution even though I physically rendered it. Your help has really made this piece distinctive.)

:o :o :o Kim, I'm just nudging you to follow what was already in your head! And you were ready to step out of your comfort zone before I said a word. Isn't that what made you start looking around for info on gouche in the first place and brought you to WC? Can't remember where you said it, but you *are* an artist. (stop squirming, it's only the truth!)

Really looking forward to seeing which "P" you decide to use. :)

Rosemary

Hiraeth
07-21-2008, 08:19 AM
You are very kind. :)

TessDB
07-24-2008, 11:11 AM
Thought I'd post a link to the finished piece so it doesn't get missed by anyone:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=507994

You did a great job, Kim!

Rosemary

Hiraeth
07-24-2008, 01:28 PM
Thanks for thinking of that, Rosemary! :thumbsup: