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alhagi
07-01-2008, 04:07 AM
Hello everybody,
here I am with a lot of colorful tulips from my garden to welcome you to France:wave: for July Challenge. The second photo is a traditional house of Alsace region.
Unfortunately I can t upload the larger versions now as the RIL is not yet functionning. I ll do it as soon as possible. In the meantime I can probably try to send you the larger versions as a private message at your request.
Have a nice stay in France:)
Elena

Pat Isaac
07-01-2008, 08:05 AM
Thanks, Elena for hosting this month. Love those tulips. I'll stickie this thread.

Pat

alhagi
07-01-2008, 11:04 AM
I have managed to upload a little bit larger versions.
Elena

Scarefishcrow
07-01-2008, 12:09 PM
Elena, Thanks for hosting the challenge and providing such challlenging subject. I second Pat's comments on the tulips, but love the house as well.

Being of French descent (Acadian/Nova Scotia), I hope someday to visit France. My brother says it is lovely and so much history!

Bill
:music: :heart: :heart: :music:

ElleZee
07-02-2008, 01:19 PM
Beautiful references, Elena!!! I just hope I can get it together to participate this month. I am a huge fan of the Alsace architecture!!

Merci!!!!
Lori

alhagi
07-04-2008, 05:48 AM
Pat, Bill and Lori
thanks for your comments.
Lori, the house on the photo is a typical " maison a colombage" - a half-timbered house. This particular one was built for the International Exhibition held in 1909. Since then it can be seen in Sainte-Marie Park in Nancy.
Pat, you have asked me about the tree in front of the house. I quess it is a Weeping Deodar Cedar. This one must be very old. Its spirally arranged branches are absolutely fascinating!

Scarefishcrow
07-04-2008, 01:01 PM
Pat, Bill and Lori
thanks for your comments.
Lori, the house on the photo is a typical " maison a colombage" - a half-timbered house. This particular one was built for the International Exhibition held in 1909. Since then it can be seen in Sainte-Marie Park in Nancy.
Pat, you have asked me about the tree in front of the house. I quess it is a Weeping Deodar Cedar. This one must be very old. Its spirally arranged branches are absolutely fascinating!

Arlene, Thanks very much for the info on the house. It is always nice to get some added insight into the images. And though I didn't mention it, that tree really is very interesting and I love the soft, velvety appearance of it in the photo!

Bill
:music: :heart: :music:

arlenebc
07-04-2008, 02:05 PM
Bill, whoops, I think you mean Elena. I hadn't read the previous, post just your comment and I was thinking "What house did I talk about?" It's getting a little confusing with 2 Elenas and an Arlene! :)

Arlene

Scarefishcrow
07-04-2008, 11:53 PM
Bill, whoops, I think you mean Elena. I hadn't read the previous, post just your comment and I was thinking "What house did I talk about?" It's getting a little confusing with 2 Elenas and an Arlene! :)

Arlene

My apologies to Arlene and Elena:o :o

You are right, it can get confusing. However, I, will gladly experience what Pat lovingly refers to as a "brain cramp" as I did here if it mean we have so many people participating it is hard to keep them straight!!!

I am just thrilled so many folks seem to be hopping in and getting involved with OP these days.

Thanks for correcting my mistake.

Bill
:music: :heart: :music:

arlenebc
07-05-2008, 11:47 AM
Absolutely -- I for one am very glad I found this forum and seems that a lot of others agree!

Arlene

alhagi
07-05-2008, 12:41 PM
We say in France "qui (who) propose - dispose". So I quess I must be the one to start:) . Here is my version of the first photo.
Senns, pastel pensils, 30 x 40 cm, canvas board.
Thank you for looking:cat:

Scarefishcrow
07-05-2008, 07:27 PM
Elena..I have been looking at the ref photo trying to figure out how to simplify all the details, a problem I often have, and you have handled it beautifully.:clap:

I love the way you use the radiating strokes to draw the eye into the flowers, which are well rendered. Very good work!

Also, thanks for the additional info on the house, and forgive my "brain cramp", as Pat calls them, for mixing up your name and Arlene's!:o :o

BILL
:music: :heart:

alhagi
07-06-2008, 02:26 AM
Thank you, Bill. I am looking forward to see other possible versions.
As for the names mixing, please, don t worry. In fact I didn t even notice it:)
Elena

RainySea
07-06-2008, 12:40 PM
That is lovely Elena! I wasn't aware that one could combine pastel pencils and oil pastels! How cool . . what is the method to do that?
Rainy

alhagi
07-06-2008, 01:32 PM
Thanks, Rainy
I use a lot pastel pencils over a layer of OP for the small details which require sharp fine lines, you see. It works perfectly for flowers and animals (fur etc). Try and you will surely love it:)
Elena

Scarefishcrow
07-06-2008, 08:19 PM
Thanks, Rainy
I use a lot pastel pencils over a layer of OP for the small details which require sharp fine lines, you see. It works perfectly for flowers and animals (fur etc). Try and you will surely love it:)
Elena
Great tip, Elena. Thanks. I know Pat frequently uses a brand of oil based pencil in a similar way. Wonderful effects.

Bill
:music: :heart: :music:

Pat Isaac
07-07-2008, 04:21 PM
Thanks for the info on the tree, Elena. It is an interesting tree.
Your flowers are beautiful and delicate and you have captured the bright color well. I often use oil pencils made by Walnut Hollow or prismacolors or polycolors. These all work well.

Pat

truck driver
07-09-2008, 03:22 PM
Decisions.... flowers are the house... hmmm ...... o.k. figured it out. I also have and have began using in my op drawings the walnut oil pencils..and just a few normal pastel pencils..

details are nice..

RG

wabbitt
07-16-2008, 01:15 AM
Elena, excellent job with those flowers. I admit I tried them and failed because of the yellows over this dark gray. So I turned the paper over and did this crop of the house picture. Unfortunately the paper is Canson, so it ended up on the textured side. About 30 min with Pentels only.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Jul-2008/76057-julyop1.jpg

Scarefishcrow
07-16-2008, 01:37 AM
Julie, nice sketch of the tree in front of the house. I'm a little intimidated by both, so don't feel bad about the flowers!

I guess I have to get my courage up and try one of the two!!

Bill:thumbsup:

Pat Isaac
07-16-2008, 09:26 AM
What a great tree, Julie. I love the form you have created and the rich application of color.

Pat

alhagi
07-18-2008, 03:29 AM
Julie, thanks for participating and hello to everybody:wave:
Sorry, I was away for about a week. In fact I have had an unexpected opportunity to visit Venice. Oh, it is so very wonderful!!!!!
I want to share with you some photos I made there. Maybe they will inspire you for an OP drawing
Elena

Scarefishcrow
07-18-2008, 11:40 AM
Elena..Welcome back.:wave: I'm sure no one will begrudge you taking a week trip to Venice. I have never been to Italy, but my nephew married a wonderful Italian lady that is marvelous. I hope some day to make it to Venice myself.

Thanks for sharing the beautiful photos.

Bill:thumbsup:

Pat Isaac
07-18-2008, 12:33 PM
How exciting, a week in Venice. Thanks for the wonderful photos. I was in Florence last fall and I just love Italy. wonderful country.

Pat

Scarefishcrow
07-25-2008, 06:56 PM
Well, with time running out and still squirming und the onus of being "outside my comfort zone!", an excuse "borrowed" like a funny gif file from Saint Patricia:angel: , I had to do something or Pat would never forgive me for breaking my resolution to do all the remaining challenges this year!! I readily admit this is not my most stunning achievement, and welcome C&C, but don't be surprised if it gets filed away for future reference rather than expended on changing this one.

So for what is is worth, here is my take on "Twolips On The Green"; mostly Sennelier's over Cretacolor Aquastic underpainting on rough Strathmore watercolor paper (140lb., I think). Also my first attempt at using my newly acquired "Color Shapers" and I think I might grow to like them. Picture area approx. 8" x 10"


Bill:thumbsup:

I guess you might consider these sort of "In Your Face" twolips. I don't think its is quite as "bright" IRL.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jul-2008/108067-Small7-25-2008_3-52-03_PM_0008.jpg

wabbitt
07-26-2008, 12:32 AM
:clap: Yay, Bill !! :clap: :clap:

I like the texture you've got in the painting. You're trying alot of new things at once and going out of your comfort zone in many ways. Good for you :thumbsup:

Did you wet the aquatastics to spread them or did you just smooth them out with the color shapers? If you wet them and let it dry, how was it putting OP's on top? I find that putting OP over portfolio or Neocolor II's feels slippery. That was my intent originally but I find it doesn't work for me.

Scarefishcrow
07-26-2008, 12:58 AM
:clap: Yay, Bill !! :clap: :clap:

I like the texture you've got in the painting. You're trying alot of new things at once and going out of your comfort zone in many ways. Good for you :thumbsup:

Did you wet the aquatastics to spread them or did you just smooth them out with the color shapers? If you wet them and let it dry, how was it putting OP's on top? I find that putting OP over portfolio or Neocolor II's feels slippery. That was my intent originally but I find it doesn't work for me.

I have to confess that my original intent and attempt was to do a monoprint using the Aquatic to color over a print of the cropped image and transfer by pressing wet wc paper into it. To be kind, it did not come out as hoped!:lol:

So I tried adding some Aquastic to the funk wet monoprint. More heartache. (Problem not the Aquastic's fault but mine). In a last ditch effort I rinsed entire thing under running water and left just a ghostly image of the Aquastic.

After pondering my options, trying a couple more things, I ended up deciding to cover over using senns and the color shapers. They seem to work great for a first go. I was running out of time and thought about trying to develop some foilage in the background, but in the end found a chunk of bright green senn and decided to ultrasimplify the background to green and set the Twolips as sort of abstractions floating on this sea of bright green.

I find the Aquastic is indeed different in consistency and texture than either the Neocolor II or NeoArts which are quite waxy. These are not what I would call creamy, but they are certainly not the crayon like waxy of the Neos. I sort of place them between Specialists and the Erengi as far as working characteristics, except they are water soluble.

I think they might well work under the OP because they do seem to be more toware the oily end than hard waxy, crayon end of the spectrum. I like the variety of colors and they really "dissolve" quickly and brilliantly when exposed to water.

Just quick initial observations, will let you know as I use them more.

Thanks for the comments. I felt kind of like you with the Canson not working out with the tulips and flipping it over. If at first you don't succeed, back up, gun your engine and giver her one more try. Not my best stuff, but I did learn some things along the way that I can put to good use on another day!!! Guess that's really what it's all about.

Bill:thumbsup:

alhagi
07-26-2008, 03:19 AM
Bill, getting "outside one s comfort zone" - that is a real Challenge!!! Thanks for sharing with us the results of your bold experiment. I find your remarks on using different mediums very helpful.
Elena

Pat Isaac
07-26-2008, 06:42 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Jul-2008/35760-cheers.gif to you Bill. You certainly are trying lots of new things. I like the bright color of the twolips and and the texture. Sounds as if you enjoyed the color shapers, I really like them.
You might have to give the monoprint another try. Sounds interesting. I took a monoprintmaking class awhile back and did some prints with just senns on plexi then through a press. Worked quite well.
Thanks also for all the info on the aquastics.


Pat

Scarefishcrow
07-26-2008, 12:33 PM
Bill, getting "outside one s comfort zone" - that is a real Challenge!!! Thanks for sharing with us the results of your bold experiment. I find your remarks on using different mediums very helpful.
Elena

Elena, Thanks so much for hosting the challenge this month. I joke about my problems, but one of the great things I've learned from taking part in the OP forum, and especially making that resolution to do all the remaining challenges is that it makes me try things I ordinarily wouldn't, and even if I end up producing something that is not as good as I would like, I still learned something in the process that will carry over into whatever I do next. Sometimes we need something to "force" us to push our own envelope. I kid Pat about the "comfort zone", but if we get too comfortable and avoid anything outside our zone we run the risk of becoming complacent and "stale".

Thanks for giving us what this is supposed to be...a CHALLENGE.

BILL

Scarefishcrow
07-26-2008, 12:46 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Jul-2008/35760-cheers.gif to you Bill. You certainly are trying lots of new things. I like the bright color of the twolips and and the texture. Sounds as if you enjoyed the color shapers, I really like them.
You might have to give the monoprint another try. Sounds interesting. I took a monoprintmaking class awhile back and did some prints with just senns on plexi then through a press. Worked quite well.
Thanks also for all the info on the aquastics.


Pat

Thanks, Pat. You know, it was interesting because I had NO IDEA how to even go about doing a monoprint and it was just seemed like a neat idea. I realized right away that I had done some things that pretty much destined it to be a flop, but it got my juices flowing.

I think the big thing is you really do need some sort of "press" to really put pressure on whatever you are working on and a really smooth, non-absorbent surface to apply the Aquastic to. Secondly, there is another approach that was suggested that might work better and that was to wet the Aquastic and work it then quickly press it with dry paper. Also, I think the paper needs to be lighter weight (maybe 80lb) and lightly sized to make it more absorbent! Do these things make sense? I'm really working blind.

I did like the shapers. They gave me a sense of having a brush in my hand; and I have to confess I really have always liked the feel of working with a brush. Just something about the responsiveness of the tip to pressure and ease of producing calligraphic, flowing marks that you don't get using the sticks directly. I really began to understand the appeal of the soft senns for those using the shapers.

It almost struck me that, in a vein similar to the arrival of soft pan pastels, you could produce a line of very soft creamy OP's in pan form specifically for use with tools like the shapers. I may try taking some older pieces of senns and melting them into small metal pans to work with. This would also allow you to produce color mixes that might not be available elsewhere. Other brands could be used that are firmer by adding just enough oil to them to soften them.

what do you think??

BILL!

PS: remember you also made a connected resolution;;objective assesment of my progress at the end of the year!!! So we both have dates with destiny.

wabbitt
07-26-2008, 05:20 PM
Thanks for your thoughts, Bill.

AnnieA
07-26-2008, 11:53 PM
Elena: What a fun challenge; those are gorgeous photos! I really wasn't familiar with that type of architecture, so I also appreciate the additional information about the house. It's beautiful, as is the unusual tree in front. Thanks for hosting this month. :) Your painting of the tulips is beautiful too. The shading of the petals is lovely and I especially like the way you painted the lavender tulip on the left. Very nice! It's a wonderful photo of Venice too. I haven't seen photos of areas of the beaten track (or canal, as the case may be) as your's seems to be. What beautiful landscaping! And how lucky for you to have been able to travel there.

RG: Where's your painting??? Enquiring minds want to know... :lol:

Julie: What a great crop! You captured the otherworldly beauty of the tree really well. Nice job!

Bill: The tulips are really very nice. They have the look of the work of your avatar-sake, VanGogh. All that wonderful impasto. Nice job! I tried a monoprint a while ago (well, years ago really). I tried painting with OP on mylar with the idea that I would then place a piece of paper over and use the back of a spoon (a method suggested by a monoprint book I read) to transfer the image. Didn't work! The OP just wouldn't stick to the mylar very well, so by the time I got to the transfer part I was left with an extremely fuzzy and faint image. I've thought about using an iron (for the heat) but haven't tried that yet. I've also thought of trying to use my pasta maker as a press (the actual presses are expensive!) Your ideas about what might work better sound reasonable. I hope that, even though your "experiment" didn't work, you enjoyed yourself while trying. It is good, as you've said, to challenge oneself. Thanks for the info on the Aquatastics. Both Wendy and Jane posted some excellent info on making OPs that you might refer to if you decide to try the "pan OPs." The threads must be in the OP Library now.

Scarefishcrow
07-27-2008, 01:29 AM
Annie, thanks so much for you kind comments. I DID have fun playing with the monoprint idea even if it flopped this time. I still learned some things I can use on another day. I have read the threads regarding making op and in fact have puttered with that too. That's part of what I have to clean up in the basement for my wife!!!

Loved you wonderful cherries.

Bill

eyepaint
07-31-2008, 03:24 PM
Hello!

Here I am on the last day ... working to deadline ... with my version of the lovely tulips.

Senneliers (limited palette - 6 colours) on 7x10" smooth Strathmore "Art" paper.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Jul-2008/96240-IMGP4829.jpg

Cheers,

Pat Isaac
07-31-2008, 03:30 PM
You do such a great job with a few colors, EP. I like the movement of this across the paper.

Pat

Scarefishcrow
07-31-2008, 05:22 PM
EP..
Not deadline, dramatic last minute entrance!!!

I love your background. How did you get that effect. I covet (may I be forgiven) your leaves because I so wanted to do them :envy: ). And I wish I could get the depth feel that you have in the insides of the tulips.

And all this accomplished when you apparently are running low on BLUE again!!!!:lol: :lol:

I have been wanting (ok I won't lie, trying) to do a flower dedicated to you EP, but I just cant get it to work since flowers are one of those "comfort zone issues) so I'm going to share the images of some photos I took that show what I wanted to do:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Jul-2008/108067-smep1.jpghttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Jul-2008/108067-smep2.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Jul-2008/108067-smep3.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Jul-2008/108067-smep4.jpg

You are welcome to use them if you wish.

Bill:thumbsup:

Pat Isaac
07-31-2008, 05:28 PM
Gorgeous, Bill. but.......are those twolips?????:lol:

Pat

eyepaint
07-31-2008, 05:35 PM
Pat and Bill - thank you

Bill - to achieve the bg I coated the page yellow. Then I applied blue horizontally, lightly. Then I used the colour shaper vertically in the centre and radiating outwards towards the corners. Does that make sense? I was going to omit the leaves and then thought "I won't learn if I don't try" so I added them at the end.

A blue flower just for me? How cool!! :) Let's see it in OP!! :)

Scarefishcrow
07-31-2008, 05:44 PM
Pat and Bill - thank you

Bill - to achieve the bg I coated the page yellow. Then I applied blue horizontally, lightly. Then I used the colour shaper vertically in the centre and radiating outwards towards the corners. Does that make sense? I was going to omit the leaves and then thought "I won't learn if I don't try" so I added them at the end.

Thanks EP, I really like the effect.

A blue flower just for me? How cool!! :) Let's see it in OP!! :)

That's my problem EP, I just can't seem to get anywhere with it!
It evolved from an idea that started out like this which I thought was a really cool contrast of "grays' with a burst of color, then saw some of your Blues and got inspired Help me, Obi Wan!!http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Jul-2008/108067-grey.jpg



Now that's a change. Just got an error message that said my message was TOO SHORT and lengthen it by a character! Now that's a first!!!!!:lol: :lol:

Bill:thumbsup:

Pat Isaac
07-31-2008, 05:55 PM
That's a challenge, Bill....

Pat

wabbitt
07-31-2008, 07:57 PM
Just got an error message that said my message was TOO SHORT
:lol: LOL, the techies came up with a message just to mess with you :lol:

EP - that's a lovely rendition of the flowers. Excellent rendering of the petals, nice work on the leave. The background looks like grass, so it works for me.

Scarefishcrow
07-31-2008, 08:57 PM
Gorgeous, Bill. but.......are those twolips?????:lol:

Pat

Guess I got caught up in the moment, Boss! If I'd known EP was going to put this in Sketch I would have done it there. :o :o

Ask your DH what my act of contrition should be:crying: .

Bill:thumbsup:

Pat Isaac
08-01-2008, 07:44 AM
:lol: No problem.....I meant that I think those are roses....not twolips..the joke didn't come through....:D :evil:

Pat

Scarefishcrow
08-01-2008, 09:05 AM
:lol: No problem.....I meant that I think those are roses....not twolips..the joke didn't come through....:D :evil:

Pat

I've never been as good at recognizing dry, subtle humor as I am at dishing in out. Rmember the old story of the mule and the 2x4 to get his attention. Nuff said.:lol::lol:

Bill:thumbsup:

Shirl Parker
09-04-2008, 12:05 AM
Way late...

8x10 White Richeson's Unison 140# Premium Pastel Surface, Sennelier OP

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Sep-2008/113427-CCF09032008_00001.jpg