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01-31-2008, 10:55 PM
Hi everyone, hope you are motivated to do one or both of these for the February 2008 Oil Pastel Challenge.

Larger versions of both images can be found in the Reference Liabrary. Please do a search on usename AngelaF.


Linda Shantz has a good article in the Oil Pastel Primer articles at the Oil Pastel Society site on painting a Haflinger which may be of help if you choose to do this winter pony. Don't let all the white intimidate you!

Happy Valentine's Day!


01-31-2008, 11:57 PM
Great photos, Angela. The horse will be a study in white (good practice for seeing subtle colours) and the rose is full of wonderfully saturated reds, pinks, purples, etc. Should be fun - I'm looking forward to getting started on one. Jane

02-01-2008, 02:00 AM
YIKES!!!! These are some tough references.... but I will give them a go!!!! So count me in too!!!!!

02-01-2008, 06:22 AM
AWWWwww love 'em both! I do hope to tackel one at least. Thanks for hosting.

02-01-2008, 10:27 AM
Thanks, Jane, I am looking forward to what you do -- your crop on the January challenge was very interesting and well done.

Stacey, the flower should be right up your alley!

Lori, glad you like them, I hope you get the time to participate.


Pat Isaac
02-01-2008, 01:30 PM
I certainly hope to get one in also, Angela. I may try the horse as that is really out of my comfort zone.


02-01-2008, 03:04 PM
:eek: If this is out of Pat's comfort zone then that probably puts me somewhere outside the solar system.

However, I keep putting off facing up to the fact that you have to learn to crawl before you walk; sooooo, unless I chicken out I'm going to try this out! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Of course, I may need some periodic encouragement to do more than talk, as I have done so far. :angel:

LOL's are fine, but only in private!!

GULP! Do I hit submit or pull back into my shell???????? Oh, what the heck?


Pat Isaac
02-01-2008, 03:16 PM
Go for it, Bill. What solar system are you in??:lol:


02-01-2008, 03:28 PM
I would say somewhere just beyond Pluto, but I don't think we count that as a planet anymore. Although the reference might still work with regard to Walt Disney's Pluto:lol: :lol:

Thanks for the encouragement!!

:cat: Bill :wave:

02-01-2008, 08:39 PM
I hope you go for it, Bill. I started back into art here in July of 06 after being away from it for about fifteen years. I did a horse that inspired me here first. But then there was a flower -- I was really scared to do it -- but it actually turned out better than the horse. You just never know how it is going to come out if you let yourself go. Looking forward to your giving it a go!!! Angela

02-01-2008, 10:27 PM
Lovely, tempting images!
I have several things on the go now, but I do want to give that rose a go. Maybe in a couple of weeks....

02-02-2008, 06:01 AM
these are great!!! think ill try the pony:wink2: !! tyree:wave:

02-02-2008, 09:49 AM
:eek: OMG, it's already february... :eek:
I'm very busy at the moment, but I'll try to paint the dapple gray. It is such a beautiful photo that I cannot resist. :lol:

02-03-2008, 10:35 PM
Looking forward to seeing your paintings, Wendy, Tyree and Silvia!!! Angela

02-04-2008, 11:49 AM
Hi Angela,

Here's my version of a close crop of the flower. 9x12" Sennelier on Ingres paper.



Pat Isaac
02-04-2008, 03:03 PM
This has such a nice abstract feel, EP. Nice color and shapes.


02-04-2008, 04:31 PM
EP, I agree, interesting colours and abstract shapes.

I took a different approach and did this as one of my larger slower paintings for 2008. Found it impossible to get the saturation levels found in the photo, so the colours are not copies, but attempts to achieve the overall brilliant effect. On white Artspectrum Colourfix, 9" X 10 1/2" using Senns, Holbein Artist, and Cray Pas Specialist (found their more saturated red/pinks good for this). The darks in the flower are not showing up properly in the photo for some reason; they are not this transparent in real life. Jane

Pat Isaac
02-04-2008, 04:53 PM
OMG, Jane. This is drop dead gorgeous......I'm picking my jaw up off the floor.
Just stunning.


02-04-2008, 05:41 PM
Wow, Jane, your sure did achieve alot of realism in this painting. I like the pinks better than the red/lavenders in the photo. You sure have achieved alot of mastery in a variety of of subjects over the last year. I may borrow your crop. When I tried zomming, the center looked a more droopy than I liked. But your composition close-up is really great. I agree with Pat, this is dorp dead gorgeous. Angela

02-04-2008, 05:43 PM
EP, I commented, but it didn't appear for some reason. This is a great abstraction. I like how you achieved so much variet of colors and some depth of field while mainting an abstract composition. Nice job. Angela

02-05-2008, 03:27 PM
The first time that I participate to the monthly challenges.

Eyepaint and LJW, wonderful roses. Love them both!
Angela, very well chosen the ref.photos. I had a great time painting this rose.

I have an aunt that used to paint roses well with oil. At this moment she is too busy to paint with her farm house. I always admired her painted roses.
The other day I went through my childhood drawings and there weren't any flowers. I just never drew/painted flowers.

02-05-2008, 03:51 PM
Pat - thank you
Angela - thank you
Jane - thank you. Wow! Your flower is stunning! Did Angela say it was ok for you to repost the ref photo a bit less saturated? Only joking. That's what I would like to be able to do some time, some time, but I need waaaaay more practice :)
moscatel - thank you. You have a delicate flower with lovely purple shadows under the petals.

02-05-2008, 03:55 PM
Pat, EP, and Angela, I really appreciate your positive responses to my new way of working, and thanks, Angela, for providing such a great rose photo.

Moscatel, this is a great interpretation. I love the way you provided the bush in some detail for your lovely rose to grow on. Nicely done.


02-05-2008, 04:11 PM
Moscatel, so glad you decided to participate -- you have done a wonderful painting. The foliage against the dark background is especially stunning. The light quality and rendering throughout the painting is very well done. Have you been doing OP long? What size is it, what kind of paper and OP's did you use? It takes alot of courage to post here for the first time -- I hope you are proud of yourself -- you should be! Angela

Pat Isaac
02-05-2008, 04:34 PM
Lovely painting, Moscatel. So delicate and I like the addition of the leaves. Good light and color.


02-05-2008, 04:35 PM
The size is 30X33 in. I'm using Van Gogh OPs, the paper is a normal white drawing paper. My OPs are quite new. I haven't used them a lot yet. After this painting the black oil pastel is a lot shorter than the others. (Next time I will choose black paper instead.) :)

I've been painting with OPs the last few months. I used to do more with oils but I like OPs as well. - Thanks everyone -

02-05-2008, 04:57 PM
Angela, you're right. It takes a lot of courage to post the very first time. I used to be a member of Wetcanvas about 2 yrs. until posting the first oilpainting.
I've now posted total eleven (11) paintings the past year mostly oils and a couple of oil pastels. But this is the first time to a challenge.

02-06-2008, 10:39 AM
Welcome from beyond Pluto, earthlings. This is a sketch I did this morning as a first attemp at the pony. :lol:

Neopastel with NeoArt Underpainting on Canson Mi-Tientes Black Paper (no time to get colorfix yet. I took liberties with the photo to simplify the job and did this in about 1-1/2 hours this morning (after several days of playing around with sketches and manipulating the image on the computer. You asked for it, so please sit down and take any medication before you look:eek: :eek: :eek:

This is a considerably different approach than most of you use. I blend very little and allow the paper to show through the OP and contribute to the final image. I plan to do a full version if I get the time, this 12x9 sketch was meant to test out the paper since I first tried a small canvas board and it didn't work out too well.

Please be gentle, but honest and let me know how I could improve this. I feel like the neck proportions got a little too thick for the body and I wasn't sure how to handle the hay.

Anyway, I cannot believe I have actually posted this for all these eyes to see. I feel so incompetent and amateurish, but I really want to get to a point that I can feel like I am producing work that is displayable, even if not salable. Money isn't my goal, satisfaction is what I seek. I didn't get interested in art until the past 5 years or so and feel like I'm never going to get caught up.


:o :o :o

02-06-2008, 10:43 AM

The following image shows the colors I used on the black background (I will try and label them later, but couldn't read some of the names (don't they have any smaller type than what they use?????) Perhaps I'll take them to school and use a [email protected]


:o Ok, so I didn't exactly use a limited pallete or coldly calculated color scheme. I'm a newbie! Comments on colors welcome, I can take it!


02-06-2008, 10:49 AM
Sorry for being a babbler, but I kept waiting for someone else to do the pony and all I kept seeing were roses! However, what beautiful roses they all were and I wanted to commend all the submissions so far.

I hope you will forgive me since I don't remember all the names like all the "old timers"! Quite different approaches to the same subject is what really makes this an interesting thread!

I'm wondering if anyone can tell me why I flipped the pony picture horizontally????


02-06-2008, 11:15 AM
EP- I like your colors very much and the work has a pleasing feel. I have to admit that I personally am not as great a fan of abstraction as some other styles, but I hope you don't take offense at this. That's what art is all about, everyone doing and SEEING what they wish to in works of art. Good job.

Jane- What can I add to the kudos given already! You are on a different plane!!

Moscatel- I like your interpretation VERY much. I like the somewhat looser, grainier style (probably due to the harder textutre of the VanGogh pastels than some other brands). You have done a very realistic image with enough of an "impressionistic" feel to give it great appeal. I really like the way you did the lighter edges of the rose petals.

WOW, I'm a runt among giants. I have to look up to all of you. I have fallen in love with this place. There are still lots of nice people in the world!!!!

(If I talk too much somebody PM me and tell me to cool it! It is one of the drawbacks of having a hefty case of adult ADD. Thanks!)

:thumbsup: :clap: :wave: Bill

02-06-2008, 11:19 AM
Bill, congratulations on posting the pony - it gets easier to post the more you do it. I really love the colours you used; you've created quite a lively painting as a result. The horse's neck is somewhat too thick near the head and I think his/her chest should be a little deeper. But the overall effect of the painting is great, very painterly. You should be pleased with the result. Flipping the scene and cropping has created a good composition in my opinion. Jane

02-06-2008, 11:30 AM
Bill - welcome to the challenge. You have a great pony. Are you left handed? Maybe that contributes to the horizontal flip. Good idea to leave the colour of the paper for the horse's spots. Thank you for your comments. It's funny that I wasn't trying for abstraction but that's how it came out. I'm using only 6 colours of pastel and I'm such a non-blender person that my pieces look 2D and not 3D.

Here's my take on the pony. Again, limited palette of Sennelier on 9x12" Ingres paper.



02-06-2008, 11:51 AM
Thank you for your comments Jane. I realized the proportions were off. What did you think of eliminating the background clutter by extending the red barn wall? Do you have any suggestions for deling with the hay in a better way??

EP- I like your pony. In retrospect I think it is the almost fluorescent colors that give the abstract feel, now that you mention it! And no, I'm not left handed. Actually I intend(ed) to do a full scale work of the whole pony and as I looked at the picture our culture's tendency to read from left to right kep me starting at the pony's head and ending up looking at the other end! It seem more pleasing to start at the tail and end up looking at the head with those huge eyes!!!! Kinda weird????


02-06-2008, 11:57 AM
Bill - I love your colors and your composition. The overall effect is very pleasing. The background additions are well done and the yellow in the coat is done well and I agree with Jane that it was great how you used the paper for the spots. Horses are notoriously difficult to draw. You did a great job on the legs --which can be especially difficult. The neck is a little thick where it meets the jaw and perhaps difficult to correct because the head is a little large for the body too. A little light curving on the neck juxiposed with a little more dark to show that it is curving back towards the body a little may help a little. I think you may have flipped the pony so that it would read better left to right which is my understanding of how the eye intially scans a painting. Congratulations on posting. I have not used the Neopastels, but they look lustious (and tempting) on the black paper. It is great that you took the leap with such a difficult subject. Did you have fun doing it? It must have been very absorbing for an hour and half. I have spent about two hours thus far just doing my intial sketch. I hope to eventually do horses alot, so am practising understanding the anatomy I am drawing as much as I can. As I said, horses are generally considered difficult to draw. Hope to see you participating regularly. Angela

02-06-2008, 12:01 PM
EP -- I love this. I like the painting you have on your signature and I think this has the same kind of qualities. Your crop is good and you captured a very good eye -- she really does have great eyes, but it doesn't show in the photo -- so all the more remarkable that you did such a great eye-- which really gives your painting a lively quality. I love the yellow with the blues. I think my paintings have a colorful quality -- but I am not as premediated about achieving that quality as you and admire your ability to pull it off like you do. Angela

02-06-2008, 12:16 PM
Bill and Angela - thank you :)

Pat Isaac
02-06-2008, 12:19 PM
To get a different composition??? Bill, I like your take on the crop and your impressionistic style. The head and neck do seem a little large for the body. I am very glad that you posted and you should feel good about this piece. It has good color and lots of energy.

EP..what a great pony head. Love that bold color.


02-06-2008, 01:26 PM
Thanks to everyone for their comments, honest critiques and encouragement. I really can't believe I'm posting a painting on an art forum!!! This has to go down in the Guiness book of Records as the quickest post by the shyest "artist" in the word.

I don't usually make New Year's resolutions, but I'm going to attempt one!! As we say back home, God willing and the creek don't rise, I am going to attempt every month's challenge for the rest of the year!! And then I want you all to honestly assess if you think I've improved!!!!


:angel: Bill
(I must be crazy!!!)

02-06-2008, 01:36 PM
By the way, Angela, that hour and a half did not include nearly all of every day since you posted the photo's looking and trying to figure out how to handle this. Sometimes that' is the most challenging, but also enjoyable. I have to confess I used a digital computer screen tablet by Wacom to trace the outline as a separate layer and add in some elements to form a preliminary sketch. I'm curious as to how this group views using loose "tracing" to help compose a piece. I know many artists view it as "cheating", but I've found that even making light prints of pics I like the composition of and overlaying OPs sometimes helps me learn how to handle the colors and some of the more difficult passages.

Any thoughts?


02-06-2008, 02:15 PM
EP, great colours as usual, and a very good rendering of the horse's head. Nice work.

Bill, I have done a lot of drawing in the past, but at the moment I want to concentrate on painting and using my OPs to develop shading, etc. I often do an initial trace, so I can get into using my OPs straightaway. There are a number of artists who frown on using tracing, but I feel that the results are what counts. I use Painter (and I have a tablet) to play around with cropping, eliminating aspects of a scene, cloning in new features, etc. particularly with landscapes. I feel no guilt about this whatsoever, despite attempts by many to deride this type of approach. Until I become a seasoned enough artist to do this on the fly, I will continue to use a computer in this fashion. If it works to improve the result, why not? I continue to do pencil sketches of objects to keep my hand-eye coordination working, but that's just practise for me and I don't post them. Jane

Pat Isaac
02-06-2008, 02:15 PM
It's a DEAL.....
I say if overlaying helps you learn go for it. There was a big discussion about this a while back and I can't find the thread. When I do I'll give you the link.


02-06-2008, 02:45 PM
Thanks Pat and Jane! This is turning in to serious Fun!

Jane-I splurged and got the new Cintq 12WX. Basically a Wacom Intuos tablet behind a 12" widescreen monitor [lcd].It's great because you are using the stylus directly on the monitorimage. ALSO upgraded to Painter X and am looking forward to using it. I also think the result is what is imppotant! If not it seems we would all still be using sillverpoint and none of those new fangled media like graghite pencils and oil paint since that would be cheating since they made it easier to do some things!

IN FACT, digital image manipulation is not "easy" and can be an art form in itself, in my opinion.

Crazy Bill

02-08-2008, 10:19 PM
ep....wonderful crop and colour design to the rose, and your horse of many colour is superb, got to be one of my favorites of your work....~~~jane....all i can say is ..wow....this is such a stunning work..bravo....~~~moscatel...welcome!!! i love what you did with this rose and those beautifully done leaves...very very nice....bill...i like the reversal of the horse, and youve done a fine painterly piece with him...good job!!! tyree:wave:

02-08-2008, 10:24 PM
Tyree- Thanks for the kind words. I'm just starting but am determined to learn!!

02-12-2008, 05:41 PM
Here is my painting of the pony at winter pasture. I used mainly Holbeins with some CraPas Expressionist and a little Sennelier on 9 by 12 Mi Teintes grey paper. I have never used it for the OP before. I was inspired by Linda Shantz's demo to use it. I don't know whether she used the rough or smooth side in her painting, but I used the rough side. Will try the smooth side. There is some oil on the back side, but not enough to discourage me from trying this paper again. C&C very welcome. Angela


Pat Isaac
02-12-2008, 06:00 PM
You did a wonderful job with your horse, Angela. The color is just great and I think you did and super job on that paper It is not my favorite. I find it very hard to blend. He looks just fine.


02-12-2008, 07:14 PM
Wow, Angela, this is a terrific painting of your pony. It's obvious you know your animals, because he is so well drawn. Great work. Jane

02-12-2008, 09:39 PM
Thanks for the excellent reference photo -- maybe I'll attempt the pony next. :) Here's my OP of the rose; it's not completely finished, but very close. I thought I'd better go ahead and post it before February becomes March becomes September...!

I really enjoyed working on this painting and am pretty happy with how it turned out so far. It was one of those magical pieces that go so well, they seem to paint themselves... pure joy start to finish! Don't you wish every painting would be like that?!



02-12-2008, 09:46 PM
Jen, this is lovely. Great sense of light on the leaves. Jane

02-12-2008, 11:26 PM
Pat, Jane, and Tyree - thank you

Angela - oh what a lovely pony!!

Jen - oh, my, what a lovely flower!

02-12-2008, 11:33 PM
Jen- Your flower is lovely. I love the colors you used and really like the realism of the broken leaf below and to the right. Makes it look like it comes from a real plant and not a perfect specimen from a photo shoot.

Angela - Your rendition of the pony is great. Yours somehow lost the overly fat neck and skinny body that mine had!!!:o I really like the continuity of the blues in the snow also incorporated into the pony's coat. Very nicely done.


Pat Isaac
02-13-2008, 08:32 AM
Beautiful flower, Jen. It does appear as if you painted it from your garden. Nice sense of light on the petals and leaves.


02-13-2008, 08:39 AM
angela...that pony is fabulous, looks like hes soaking in that winter light...!!!!~~~jen, gorgeous work, the petals are so well done, and i love the colours...tyree:wave:

02-13-2008, 01:05 PM
Thanks alot, Pat. I was unable to blend with my fingers as can on the colorfix (my hands kept turning up blue anyway). But there is something I like about Mi Teintes -- maybe a hangover from soft pastels. At any rate it is much more accessible and cheaper than the colorfix. I plan to try it some more and hope it works out.

Thanks, Jane -- I worked on the sketch quite awhile -- still had some problems with the head and neck once the painting was well underway. I feel the eye is too big and parts of the eye and face could use better definition, but I didn't feel I could do anymore with them without make mud.

Thanks, EP.

I like trying to get that light quality tyree, I am glad you found it successful.

Thanks, Bill.

Beautiful flower, Jen. I like how you achieved so much modelling in the petals with limited colors. The leaves are very well done. I like the addition of the blue -- it makes the composition pop! What kind and size of paper did you use?

02-13-2008, 04:22 PM
Thanks everyone for your kind words! I realized last night after I posted this that I forgot to mention paper, size, brand of OPs, so here are the specs:

It's slightly smaller than 12" x 9 ", since I used that size paper but left a margin all around. The paper is actually a piece of dark green cardstock from the scrapbooking section of the craft store. It's pretty slick and not at all meant for OPs, but since I kept the layers of OP to a minimum it seemed to work just fine. It's acid free, at least! As for the OPs, I used some very old Grumbachers (20+ years old!), and assorted newer Van Goghs, Holbeins, Cray Pas, and Senneliers.

By the way, I absolutely love what everyone has done so far. You all inspire me! :clap:


02-16-2008, 02:49 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Feb-2008/119075-16-02-2008_2-57-38_p.m._0003_resize.jpg :cat: Here is my attempt at the rose. Done on 300gsm
ungo ops. I am not sure about this I have not done a rose before Bars:wave:

02-16-2008, 09:56 AM
Hi Bars. I think you've done well in defining the form with shadows. Maybe add just a few highlights where the sun is hitting the central petals of the rose. Jane

Pat Isaac
02-16-2008, 03:09 PM
This is a nice interpretation of the rose, nice color and good definition of the petals. I agree with Jane that you could use a little more light on the petals.


02-17-2008, 04:10 PM
Beautiful vibrant colors, Bars! What brand of OPs did you use?


02-17-2008, 08:12 PM
Bars, Glad you joined the challenge. As other have said, you used some nice colors. The pinks look especially good against the reds. Angela

02-17-2008, 08:47 PM
Bars - great job - love the purpley-reds against the blue-green of the leaves.

02-17-2008, 11:00 PM
Hi all, I've not done this before but here goes:386268

I had a heck of a time deciding the background. After I threw in the trees and added the hay I had to make the colors a little more "with the rest of the painting" meaning adding violets, blues etc.

This is 9 x 12 strathmore cream with senns.

02-17-2008, 11:22 PM
Mark, welcome to the Oil Pastel forum. You've done a great job on the horse, he's very well rendered. You really caught the gesture of his grazing on the hay in the snow. The background works well, as it doesn't draw too much attention - it fits the scene. Nice work. Hope to see more. Jane

02-17-2008, 11:26 PM
Thanks Jane,
I just put a couple more from this week on the weekly sketch.

It does a person good to see your flag. Just came from the hockey rink here and I guarantee there's more than a few Canadians to be found there.
Unfortunately got stomped on and lost 4 - 6.

Thanks for the encouragement

02-18-2008, 02:03 AM
:cat: Pat and Jane, thanks for the suggestion, I have done that, the rose looks much better.
Jen, The pastels were brands you probably never heard of. Shoestring art that's me. Gallery by MUNGO aand Faber-Castell. Bars Thanks everone for your kind comments, very encouraging. Bars:wave:

02-19-2008, 10:25 AM
E.P. ... A great abstract, lovely colours.

Jane... A fantastic painting,absolutely beautiful.I would love to be able to produce a painting of this quality. Maybe one day. :)

Moscatel... A great rose. You have caught the light very well and created a good background.

Bill... A great pony, yours reminds me of the type of style the old masters would use. Well done.

E.P. ... A great pony, again I like your choice of colours.

Angela... A great painting, the colours are great and I like how you used the blue for the shadowed area.

Jen... A lovely flower and great background.

Bars... Great painting, lovely colours.

Mark... Great pony the drawing is especially good.

02-19-2008, 10:34 AM
Well here is my attempt,
Its 12 X 10 on Mi-Teintes rough side using the Sennelier oil pastels I have just bought and can thoroughly recommend. The oil pastels I was using before are now in the bin.
C & C welcome.


02-19-2008, 10:53 AM
Awesome job on the pony. I really like the tail and mane. I had trouble with those.

This scene reminds me of the elk situation here. They are feeding them from Helicopters to keep them alive. Way too much snow compared to a normal year.

02-19-2008, 11:18 AM
Paul, great job with your new Senneliers. You've done a wonderful job on the horse, excellent use of colours. And I love the wide open pasture-land that you've created. Jane

02-19-2008, 12:18 PM
Bars - Nice job on the flowers. I still have trouble with them.

Mark - Welcom to the OP forum. You have found the friendliest people on the web! Your pony is great! and I love the meadow setting and the way you handled the grass. You got a much better rendering of the proportions than I was able to. One thing caught my eye though, and that is the left front leg. Its heavy shadow close to the value of the right front leg confused me for a second. Would lightening it up a bit make it make some sense since it should be facing the light source as the head and rear leg?? Just a thought.

Paul--I love the thread of blue that runs through your picture from sky to snow to the pony's coat. Great shadowing and I like the spikey vegetation in the midground. Good handling of the hair in the mane and tail.

I think I commented on everyone else earlier. If I missed anyone, please forgive me.

Angela- Great ref photos and what a great turnout of wonderful interpretations and only a little over half way through the month. It was my first posting and I'm really glad to see some others taking the leap. I hope I can keep my resolution to try every challenge this year!! Maybe others with join in, too??

What a blast to see how different people interpret the same thing!!

Paul- You are more than generous. I'm getting old, but I've a long way to go to hit Master. Thanks for your encouragement and for whatever it may count, I am a diehard Anglophile and have thouroughly enjoyed my two visits to England. We were there the day the Tubes were bombed and the way the Londoners were back in the saddle the next day was inspiring to me.

:music: :heart: :music:

Shirl Parker
02-19-2008, 12:33 PM
Actually Bill, I think Paul's light source is going from lower right to upper left, so that leg on the right front would probably be shadowed by the horses rear quarters. Artistic license, came with Paul's new Senneliers. In the actual photo it is coming from right to left and both legs are shadowed, especially the right.


02-19-2008, 01:06 PM
Actually Bill, I think Paul's light source is going from lower right to upper left, so that leg on the right front would probably be shadowed by the horses rear quarters. Artistic license, came with Paul's new Senneliers. In the actual photo it is coming from right to left and both legs are shadowed, especially the right.


I see your point, Shirl, and certainly found Mark's rendering superior to mine, artistic license or no. This may be obvious, but I am using left and right in an antomical context, not relative. I guess the point you made regarding both legs being shadowed, "especially the right", was really what I was getting at. It seemed that the medial (inner) face of the right front leg we see would be more deeply shadowed than the lateral (outer) face of the left front leg.

Bottom line, the drawing is wonderfully done and certainly I meant in no way to distract from that, Mark. I'm relatively new at this and trying to learn. Looks like you have great skill and I like the rendering shadow or not!! Also I think it was a great example of use of the colored support as an integral element of the composition.

:music: :heart: :music:

02-19-2008, 01:44 PM
Mark, great rendering of the pony. I like how the cream color shows through and highlights the whites in the pony. I am glad you participated in the OP Monthly Challenge.

Paul, I love your blues. The landscape is very well detailed for being made up. I like the rendering of the pony and how your completed painting seems so interesting and majestic with the pony in the interesting landscape. It was my understanding that Senneliers will bleed through the Mi-Teintes, so I used them very sparingly in my painting -- did you find any bleed through?


Pat Isaac
02-19-2008, 02:09 PM
What wonderful ponnies, Mark and Paul. I like the different way that everyone has interpreted the background for the pony.


02-20-2008, 06:03 AM
The pastels were brands you probably never heard of. Shoestring art that's me. Gallery by MUNGO aand Faber-Castell.

I use these OPs too, as well as the senn's and van gogh, asI am saving up the money and buy a senn every month. These are good beginners OPs and do work quite well for the various techniques, HOWEVER, they are slightly harder (well really harder than senn) than van gogh's but they work well for washes and practicing the various techniques.

You can always save money and buy one at a time too!:thumbsup:

02-20-2008, 06:08 AM
EVERYONE's works are fantastic, sorry to say this month I could not join, but have been watching them come in and LOOOOOVE seeing the different pieces.

WELCOME to the new players and hi to all :wave:

02-20-2008, 09:39 AM
Mark... Thank you, the tail wasn't to bad but I struggled with the mane too.

Jane... Thank you, the new Sennelier are terrific and so much easier to work with than the cheap sticks.
I would advise anyone starting out in this medium like me, to buy a small set of good quality oil pastels and avoid the cheap sets. Your experience and enjoyment will be greatly enhanced.

Bill... Thank you, I put the blue through the whole painting because I thought it would help tie the picture together and give it continuity.

Angela... Thank you, I actually managed to get a photo from the RIL of a snow landscape and used this as a base for the background.
The Senneliers did indeed bleed through the Mi-Teintes, mainly around the pony where most of the work went on.

Pat... Thank you.

Stacey... Hello and thank you. Sorry you can't participate this time, hopefully next month will be better for you.

02-22-2008, 11:29 AM
I actually agree with you and decided against trying to lighten the leg. It is too dark. The next one I'm working on is on the heavy colored sanded pastel paper, sorry, can't remeber which brand, and I could easily just layer over it if I had used this type of support. I'm shocked at how much it will hold.

02-22-2008, 01:14 PM
Mark- thanks for your comment. I really like the horse and am glad you didn't take the remark as anything other than an observation. I've been there, too. Gets too dark and the more you try to fix it the worse it gets. After all, my pony either has a goiter with its bulging neck or is growing a lot faster at the head end than the other! I like the way you work and the feeling that the paper itself is an essential element of of the composition (which I really liked in your piece)!

Hope to see lots more of you around here. I only started posting a couple of weeks ago and am addicted. I've learned more and learned that getting constructive criticism is good, even though we often find it takes time to get over being embarassed as I was about it.


Good to have you joining in the nicest place on the web!


02-23-2008, 10:32 AM
Great work everybody! :thumbsup:

Unfortunately I didn't have enough time this month to finish my challenge, but at least I started it. And that's what it is looking like right now (the background is almost finished, but there's still much work to do on the pony). Well, I think you'll get the idea.


Pat Isaac
02-23-2008, 11:09 AM
Really nice background, Silvia. Like the fading moon. I ma not finish mine either, but I still have next week.


02-23-2008, 11:26 AM
Silvia, nice composition, like the vertical format and the well done, imaginitive background. Looking forward to seeing it finished -- looks like a winner! Angela

02-23-2008, 11:47 AM
Silvia, very interesting interpretation - great nocturnal feel. Love the way you handled the moon. Jane

02-23-2008, 12:13 PM
:clap: :clap:
To you it may not be finished; to me, I'd be glad to be able to stop there and sign off. I agree that you really have a different take with the nocturnal view and Jane is correct, the softly done moon really adds a mystique to the work.

Pat -- Don't spend too much of your boat time on Pony! Just an excuse not to deal with that obstreperous pile of wood and metal?

Hasta la vista, Amigos y Amigas.
Yo soy hombrero de donde crece las palmas; at least para un week!


02-24-2008, 01:58 AM
Thank you very much, Pat, Angela, Jane and Bill. I'll try to finish it in time :).

02-26-2008, 01:53 PM

a great painting, I like the background you have put to this it really sets it off. Hope you get to finish it.

02-29-2008, 01:44 PM
Thanks a lot Paul. I hope to finish it this weekend.

Talking about this weekend, it will be March 1st tomorrow and it's Pat who is going to host next month. Hello over there Pat :wave: aren't you going to give us curious folks here a little sneak preview of what is going to be next month's challenge? :D :lol: :lol:

Shirl Parker
02-29-2008, 02:44 PM
I started mine, and was even taking photos to show WIP, but my art club has its show tonight, tomorrow and Sunday, and it has taken up all my time. I have 33 pieces of art on the wall and hopefully something will sell. Otherwise I will be one depressed puppy.

Pat Isaac
02-29-2008, 02:47 PM
I'll cross my fingers for you, Shirl. That is a lot of work. I haven't finished mine either, but hope to at the beginning of the week.
I'll put the new one up later today or in the am.


02-29-2008, 03:17 PM
Best of luck on your show, Shirl. Will be watching for yours and Pat's paintings. Jane

02-29-2008, 04:44 PM
Good luck Shirl. Some of hope to maybe reach the point where we can produce work that is displayable. It is always inspirational to see the more adept artists face challenging projects with zeal and determination. It is motivational to those of use still struggling to push enough paint around that we begin to get better at it.

Paraside ending soon. Back to the snowbound north.:crying: (Cue the violins, Pat).


Pat Isaac
02-29-2008, 04:51 PM
Okay, they are cued.....:lol: In fact, they have been playing a lot this week....
I haven't finished this but will next week...just wanted to let you all know I did start it....:angel:
Senns and Holbeins on cream colorfix, 9" x 12"


Shirl Parker
02-29-2008, 05:09 PM
Here's my barely started underpainting.

Pat Isaac
02-29-2008, 05:18 PM
Well, we are in this together, Shirl. Nice start.


02-29-2008, 08:06 PM
Shirl and Pat, good beginnings. Be sure to finish and post. Jane

03-01-2008, 09:54 AM
Good luck for the show Shirl! Hope that you'll sell many paintings :)!

03-01-2008, 09:59 AM
Sorry, I forgot to mention: very good beginnings, Pat and Shirl!

03-03-2008, 09:27 AM
Pat -- lovely start, I think your drawing looks great. I like how the tan paper is working -- using it for some highlights looks like it would have a very good effect. I like you slight differentiation between horse and snow with white and grey at this point, too.

Shirl, I hope your show went well. Looks like your are off to a good start, too.

I hope you both finish and post when you do, Angela

Shirl Parker
03-03-2008, 03:09 PM
Well, the show is over (sort of) and I sold two pictures, not very high priced ones. But they were my first sales, so that's something.

Before the show, I sent a friend a Yahoo message asking her to wish me luck, and she wrote back that if I was selling she wanted to buy. She has picked 4 others she is deciding on. Two are OPs.

When I say "sort of" over on the show, the main show is over, but we decided to keep the paintings up and have open house on Wednesdays when we paint there, and sell art if anyone comes in. Now we have to do more advertising.

Pat Isaac
03-03-2008, 03:12 PM
Congratulations, Shirl on your sales and may there be more!

Thanks for the comments on the start of the pony....


03-03-2008, 05:19 PM
Congrats on the sales from me, too :)!

03-03-2008, 07:44 PM
Congratulations, Shirl. I hope there will be lots more. Jane

03-03-2008, 10:21 PM
Sylvia, great change on the background. I think that may be the funnest part, using artistic license to make it something more exciting. Like my reference photos, there's always something wrong in the picture.

Pat and Shirl, I love the beginnings, I hate to say it, but I like how they look now. Do you have to actually finish a painting? My wife keeps trying to get me more "impressionistic". But how would I know, when it's impressionistic versus not done. This whole process is fascinating.

03-05-2008, 09:30 AM
Mark--That's why it's art and not photography. The beauty of painting is you can create views that could never be seen in reality. As for finishing a painting, I like to view it as a number of authors I've read...A painting is like a journey with stops along the way, some short, some longer, and eventually it stops when the artist decides to work on it no more. Paintings are never finished, they are simply frozen at some point in time when the artist decides that it is satisfying as it is. Very much like the sentiment you expressed to Pat and Shirl that you like their paintings like they are!!

Pat-- Great progress. I agree that you should think about letting some of the tan support show through and become part of the picture. Your rendering is beautiful (but the neck is a little skinny, isn't it:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: )?

Shirl--How exciting to make sales of your work. Even if we paint for our own satisfaction it has to be rewarding to have someone else express appreciation for your work by buying it. That is such a marvelous thing and I am very happy for you. Your beginning on the pony is also great!

:music: :heart: :music:

Pat Isaac
03-06-2008, 09:06 AM
Skinny neck....:rolleyes: maybe if you compare it to another.....:lol: Not sure I'll finish this this week, as life is getting busy.


Shirl Parker
03-12-2008, 11:34 PM
In the category, BLTN, I offer:
9x12 AS Colorfix White cheapies underpainting, Sennelier on top


Pat Isaac
03-13-2008, 09:01 AM
Nice pony shirl and the expression on his face looks as if her is really enjoying the hay. I think mine is going into the never done pile...


truck driver
03-31-2008, 10:39 PM
In regards to the tracing issue, Da Vinci and Michealangelo cast images on the wall and traced them, Vermeer used the camera obscura to trace his images onto canvas. Are any of these less in your mind because of this?