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mgthorvaldsen
01-21-2008, 01:12 PM
:wave: HI! All, I'm bring this floral here to ask about shadowing in this painting.

on the garden wall:http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Jan-2008/94985-mandavilla_b.jpg

the ref:RIL photo, courtesy Lisilk:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Jan-2008/94985-Ril_Photo_Li.jpg

While the comp is different and there is less foliage and shadow on the leaves and flowers, the dilemma is in the foundation background which is somewhat mottled. I've tried different ideas for the shadows but kept coming back to this version. Any suggestions? Thanks for having a look and your time. Regards, Marianne

jaytee
01-23-2008, 12:16 AM
Marianne... your blossoms are beautiful :)

Ive taken the photo and exaggertaed the contrast in photoshop

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jan-2008/4661-jt_contrast_Li.jpg

I think It makes it easier to see that , for me at least, the darks on the wall need to be where the 'depth' in the planting is greatest..... because thats where less light penetrates.. and will help with the 3D effect without necessarily being 'shaped' shadows....

but its a while since Ive paintd flowers so better advice wil come along soon, Im sure :)

painterbear
01-23-2008, 05:52 AM
Marianne,
Your flowers are lovely. I like the way you combined the pink flowers with the blue ones in your painting rather than have them separate as in the reference photo.

In the reference photo (enhanced nicely by Jaytee), it looks as if the light is hitting your flowers from the front and slightly up on the right side. You can follow that when adding your shadows, or you could move the light source even higher on the right and make your shadows be on the left and under the flowers and leaves on that side.

You could also deepen the tones of the flowers on the left that way to give them more shape and variation.

Sylvia

olliewood0702
01-23-2008, 10:55 AM
Marianne, your flowers are great but I'd add a hint of maybe some stone or brick so that they don't just look like there are hanging in the middle of no-where. Great advice about light from Sylvia.

mgthorvaldsen
01-23-2008, 03:21 PM
:wave: HI! Jaytee, Sylvia and Darla.
Jay Tee, I almost fell off the chair when I saw the darling RedHead, you painted, she's the image of my neice, pointy chins run in their family!

Thanks for having a look and your suggestions for this and refining the image, I agree about the shadows and the detail of something in the background grounding the image. I've done up 2 w shadowing and am leaning toward a diagonal shadow r-l in a v...i think that incorporating a wall at that point could be worked in with the shadow...giving a little horzontal as well. Here's what I've done:
shadowshttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Jan-2008/94985-shadows_a.jpg with color http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Jan-2008/94985-shadows_c.jpg

I have time so there's no hurry, and lots of printable paper! thanks, Regards, Marianne

Brian Barnes
01-23-2008, 04:56 PM
Have you considered this idea? ;)

The photo seems to indicate these plants are trailing IMO. Turning your painting upside-down gives the following manip. I've added some shadowing to indicate sources of shadow that would be both in and out of view.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Jan-2008/33172-flower-shadowing.jpg

Love your BG colours. :)

BrianB

mgthorvaldsen
01-23-2008, 08:09 PM
:wave: HI! Brian, thanks for having a look. We're pretty well all on the same the same page about the shadowing which gives me confidence, but I never would have thought to hang them as they grow since mine are on a lattice. Good idea, i'll play around on it a bit. Thanks much, Regards, Marianne

lyn lynch
01-24-2008, 07:28 AM
Nice adaptation by Brian...that's what I would follow. Good job on your petals.

mgthorvaldsen
01-24-2008, 04:22 PM
:wave: HI! All, Thanks for having a look and your thoughtful feedback, I had time to work up the suggested changes. Thanks much for your time and the good advice, all, I'll have to do a redo at some point and am thankful for the work up, have ideas now for the kind of pictures I'll need to take when the mandevilla blooms again.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jan-2008/94985-changes.jpg

mgthorvaldsen
01-25-2008, 10:27 AM
:wave: HI! all, I had time to finishe this up yesterday working with the original. I anchored it by winding vines, for this comp, no more floating flowers and made the shadows atmospheric using the manganese blue on the raw sienna. Thought I'd give this color a try since I used it on the flowers. Thanks much for the sage advice and encouragement over the last year, a very good place and great people! Regards, Marianne

On the Garden wall:http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jan-2008/94985-on_the_garden_wall.jpg

painterbear
01-25-2008, 11:25 AM
Beautiful finish, Marianne. :clap: I like how you deepened the tones and added some of the same colors onto the wall surface.

Sylvia

BTW, if you put a space before and after the picture, you won't have the writing pushed to the side as above. ;)

mgthorvaldsen
01-25-2008, 11:48 AM
:wave: HI Sylvia, Thank you much! Enjoy the day. :) Regards, Marianne

KarinaRose
01-25-2008, 11:12 PM
Beautiful job Marianne! I did a version of this Reference photo and had the same problem with the shadow or lack thereof! I really like the way you have manipulated the composition. Well done!
Karen

mgthorvaldsen
01-27-2008, 11:01 AM
:wave: HI! KarinaRose, thanks for having a look and sharing that. I think it was Tony Couch who said something about the surprise and delight of a painting succeeding on the first try, but the sheer joy of completing one that did not, we learn so much more. Regards, Marianne