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Carey Griffel
01-04-2008, 01:03 PM
A new year (albeit a few days late :) ) and time to start some new MOMs (Masters of the Month)!

Many of our membership here are new enough to WetCanvas that you do not remember the MOMs from their "heydays" a few years ago. There is quite a lot of good information archived in past MOMs (Index can be found here (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203669)) with many great artists which have already been studied.

Since the MOMs have been going for several years now, I thought it might be time to go a bit retro and study some of the masters that have been done in the past. There is always more to be learned, and with new members here, always a chance to learn from each other.

One thing I would stress from the beginning is do not be intimidated by studying one of the masters! Even those with hardly any (or none!) oil painting experience can learn a great deal by studying great artists. Of course we will all fall short in some level when studying such artists...they are masters and most of us at least will readily admit that we are not! But that's okay. Everyone has to begin somewhere, right? There is a long tradition in painting of learning by doing copies of masters. Vincent Van Gogh did this himself.


Everyone is welcome to post in this thread concerning any discussion regarding Vincent Van Gogh, his painting style and techniques, and the times in which he lived, anything relevant to him or his art. If you've done a copy in the past, we'd love to see it. We'd love even more to see some current work. :) (Please keep it to copies in oils, as this is the oil painting forum, though it's perfectly acceptable to post studies in other media as long as it is *leading up* to a copy in oil paint.)

You are welcome to study anything in particular that appeals to you in regards to Van Gogh's work. You can choose to do a direct copy of any of his paintings. You can choose to do a copy of *another* artist's work (always keeping in mind copyright issues, so please choose an image that is in the public domain, for example, anything over a hundred years old is free game while Richard Schmid is out of the question) and do it "in the style of" Van Gogh. You can take one of his pictures and do it in a different style. You can use your own image (or one from the reference library here (http://wetcanvas.com/RefLib/) which houses entirely copyright free images) and do it in his style. Etc.

It would be great to see some creative ideas come out of this! :)

My suggestion is to focus on something that Van Gogh excelled at, particularly in his later paintings, which is the idea of "a stroke laid is a stroke stayed". (A quote coined much later than Van Gogh's time, of course, but definitely applicable to his work!) This concept is very important to many painting techniques which are popular today.

If you've ever had the opportunity to see a Van Gogh in person (and I welcome hearing about your experiences/observations), you have seen how very thick and luscious his brush strokes are. From my own observation, I believe that he used a lot of rounds (anyone else have thoughts on that?), which I rarely use personally so I welcome the opportunity to try something different. He was also not particular about covering every last bit of his canvas. Many of his paintings show a pinkish ground to his canvas.

There is no point to rehashing information that was already so well-presented in the original MOM from September 2005 (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=292286). Many, many thanks to Dave (dcorc) who put together the information (and also to Richard C. who gave a great deal of valuable insight, additional links, and additional pictures). I suggest you peruse that entire thread for a great deal of information and some interesting Van Gogh copies!

Also:
Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_van_Gogh) is the Wikipedia article on Van Gogh.

And a complete gallery of his work and letters can be found here:
http://www.vggallery.com/

~!Carey

Carey Griffel
01-04-2008, 02:30 PM
This is the first post in the original MOM (posted here for ease of use to access the great links presented).

(Thanks again dcorc!!)

This month's Master is Vincent van Gogh (1853 - 1890)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Aug-2005/30792-vgselfportraitsm.jpg

Self-Portrait with Felt Hat
Oil on canvas, 1888
17.2 x 14.75 inches (44 x 37.5 cm)
Rijksmuseum

This month we are looking at his paintings:

The Starry Night
Oil on canvas, 1889
29 x 36.25 inches (73.7 x 92.1 cm)
Museum of Modern Art, New York City

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Aug-2005/30792-starrynight.jpg

High resolution image here (http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/gogh/starry-night/gogh.starry-night.jpg)


Wheat Field with Rising Sun
Oil on canvas 1889
27.95 x 35.6 inches (71 x 90.5 cm )
Private collection

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Aug-2005/30792-wheatrisingsun.jpg

High resolution image here (http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/gogh/fields/gogh.wheat-rising-sun.jpg)

The post-impressionist style for which van Gogh is famous uses thickly impasto paint and large numbers of short straight brushstokes in contrasting colours applied immediately next to one another in bold rhythmic patterns, forming circles and sinuous curves on the larger scale. Both of these late paintings typify this style.

His canvases were often fairly coarse-grained, and there is evidence that some may have had a dull pink ground, as was common at the time.

Van Gogh corresponded at length by letters over the course of 18 years with his beloved brother Theo, and these letters provide a great (and often very moving) insight into many aspects of his life - they are now available complete, online:
http://webexhibits.org/vangogh/

http://webexhibits.org/query-gogh.spy?qp=art.technique
contains those letters of Van Gogh in which he specifically makes reference to his technique - the middle and later ones are more relevant to his painting technique, the earlier ones mainly discuss drawing.

These ones are particularly informative:

http://webexhibits.org/vangogh/letter/12/308.htm?qp=art.technique

http://webexhibits.org/vangogh/letter/18/B03.htm?qp=art.technique

http://webexhibits.org/vangogh/letter/18/507.htm?qp=art.technique

http://webexhibits.org/vangogh/letter/18/527.htm?qp=art.technique

http://webexhibits.org/vangogh/letter/20/596.htm?qp=art.technique

http://webexhibits.org/vangogh/letter/20/618.htm?qp=art.technique

Biography
Vincent Willem Van Gogh was born on March 30, 1853 in Zundert, Holland. He was the second child of Reverend Theodorus van Gogh (a preacher in the Dutch Reformed Church) and Anna Cornelia Carbentus (daughter of a bookseller) who had married two years earlier. His younger brother Theodorus (Theo) was born in 1857.

Vincent began his education at the village school in 1861, and subsequently attended two boarding schools, excelling in French, English, and German. However, in March 1868, he left school, returning to Zundert.

In July 1869, Vincent started an apprenticeship at the Hague gallery (which had been established by his uncle, also called Vincent) belonging to the French art dealers Goupil & Cie. In August 1872, Vincent began writing (a correspondance which would continue across the next 18 years)to Theo, who accepted a position at Goupil's in January 1873, working in Brussels initially, and then transferring to the Hague, a few months before Goupil transferred Vincent to London in June 1873, and then Paris, London and again to Paris by 1875. He spent time in the art galleries and museums in both cities. It is reported that in London he fell unsuccessfully, asnd unrequitedly, in love with the daughter of his landlady. After losing his job due to erratic behaviour and poor performance, he returned to England in 1876 as an unpaid assistant at a boarding school in Isleworth for a while, and found increasing zeal faced with the poverty of the place.

Back in the Netherlands,he decided to become a minister, and his parents agreed to support him in this. However, he abandoned the training for a post as lay minister with the miners of Borinage in Belgium. He gave away his own possessions to the poor, and lived as a pauper himself - he was then dismissed from his post. He remained there however, in poverty, until 1880.

With Theo's encouragement and financial support, he next decided to become an artist - in 1881, having moved home again with his parents, he started working on his basic drawing skills
By the end of the year, he had moved out and was taking lessons from Anton Mauve, but began a relationship with Sien Hoomik, a pregnant prostitute - due to which Mauve broke off their friendship.

When he began painting, he chose to make pictures of peasant life, mostly in a dark palette, heavily influenced by the work of Jean-François Millet.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Sep-2005/30792-twopeasantwomen.jpg

Two Peasant Women in the Peatfields (1883)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Sep-2005/30792-cottage.jpg

Cottage with Woman Digging (1885)

Vincent started sending these peasant paintings to his brother Theo to sell, but was completely unsuccessful, as Theo explained that they were now unfashionable, and that the brighter palette of the impressionists was in vogue.

After the death of his father, Vincent moved to Antwerp in 1885, in which he was exposed to Rubens, Japanese woodblock prints, and 2 months of academic training (from which he withdrew).

In February 1886 he moved to Montmartre, Paris, where Theo now ran the gallery. It was at this point that he saw the work of the Impressionists and met, among others, Gauguin, Toulouse-Lautrec, and Pissarro. He worked on self portraits and landscapes, adapting to the lighter palette and more broken brushwork styles.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Sep-2005/30792-moulin.jpg

Le Moulin de la Galette (1886)

In 1888, needing a quieter environment after Paris, he moved to Provence, hiring a studio in Arles - the "Yellow House" - to which he invited Gauguin - Vincent spent the summer painting Plein Air views, and a series of Sunflowers to decorate the house.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Sep-2005/30792-sunflowers.jpg

When Gauguin arrived in October, they spent only 9 weeks together before increasing clashes culminated in Van Gogh threatening Gauguin with a razor, and subsequently severing part of his own left ear.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Sep-2005/30792-bandagedear.jpg

Self-Portrait with Bandaged Ear (1889)
(Note the self-portrait is a mirror image)

He was hospitalised for a while in Arles and after discharge, unable to get organised again, he had himself admitted to a psychiatric hospital at Saint-Rémy, where he stayed as an in-patient for a year.

In this period he painted over 150 works, in the adjacent room which was set up as a studio for him, one of which was "The Starry Night".

In May 1890 Vincent moved out of the hospital, to Auvers-sur-Oise, near Paris, to the house of Dr Paul Gachet, with whom he became firm friends. Gachet was a patron of artists, and a frequenter of the Cafe Guerbois.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Sep-2005/30792-gachet.jpg

Portrait of Dr Gachet (1890)

Vincent painted productively in this period including portraits of new friends and acquaintances, and views of the local wheatfields, but a visit to Theo in Paris brought on anxiety, when his brother told him that he was dissatisfied, wanted to set up his own gallery, and that the situation might be financially tighter.

On July 27, 1890, Vincent walked to one of the wheatfields and shot himself in the chest. The wound was not immediately fatal, and he returned to Dr Gachet's house, where he died on July 29, with Theo at his side.

Other resources on the web
http://www.vangoghmuseum.com/bisrd/top-1-2.html
http://www.artrenewal.com/asp/database/art.asp?aid=2162&page=1
http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/gogh/

So - hopefully we will have lots of members joining in our study here of one of the most tragic, and most-loved, artists. Just to remind you that it's perfectly acceptable to do cropped studies, if people prefer.

Dave

Carey Griffel
01-04-2008, 02:36 PM
You may choose any painting that you would prefer to copy (don't forget you can crop a painting to suit your needs), but here are two suggestions for study:


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Jan-2008/32203-Van_Gogh_Vincent_Wheatfield_with_Crows.jpg
"Wheatfield With Crows"
1890
Oil on canvas
Van Gogh Museum, Amsterdam, Holland

(Higher-res here (http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/gogh/fields/gogh.threatening-skies.jpg))



http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Jan-2008/32203-Van_Gogh_Vincent_Sunflowers_1887.jpg
"Cut Sunflowers"
1887
Oil on canvas
Metropolitan Museum of Art, Manhattan, New York, USA



Of course there are too many other great selections to list them all, such as his many sunflower paintings, portraits, etc, not to mention the famous Starry Night. I can't quite decide myself and hope to do several before March rolls around (always assuming I can find the time! :eek: ).

I hope that many of you decide to venture into the waters and join me in studying some of Van Gogh's work.

~!Carey

dode
01-05-2008, 10:55 AM
hi Carrie . just wanted to let you know i enjoyed your forum oon Vangogh,I have made use of many of the lessons by John Hagan on this wet canvas site. and use and enjoy the letters from vangogh to his brother Theo. Your work is very moving with lots of energy. I just joined wet canvas this week so I am feeling my way. Dode

guillot
01-06-2008, 09:49 AM
Hi Carey - thanks for posting all of this information!! Greatly organized too .. and of course great to see the MOMs continuing ...

Hi Dode and welcome to the website!!

I remember asking a long time ago about Van Gogh's strokes and brushes and one of the old experts from this site told me that his brushes were worn, with only a few hairs remaining, which accounts for the groves in the strokes. Dont' know if that's helpful or not to anyone. Pick a worn out brush. This is one of the subjects of the older MOMs that I regretted not participating in. Maybe I will give it a go this time....

err ... part of my new years resolution ... "stop saying and do" and hopefully you guys will remind me of that from time to time, LOL

Tina

guillot
01-06-2008, 11:34 AM
Ok - well, If I'm going to dive in - I'm going all the way :lol: Hook, link and sinker.

I'm going to give Starry Night a go. I've always wanted to, so that's my choice.

I converted the image to grayscale - what a very busy painting! Ought to be quite the challenge. Check out all the movement ..

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Jan-2008/5957-starrynightgreyscale2.jpg

Tina

dutch_hedgehog
01-06-2008, 12:47 PM
Ohh Carey, you're making life difficult ;).
I would like to join you with the Van Gogh MOM. In fact I'm already thinking what special aspect of his way of painting I would like to study.
But I do love your idea with the little zebra as well. As I tried it before, it is very tempting to try and crop the zebra in a way that it will become an abstract painting.

It's very difficult to make a choice. (Maybe I should start with Van Gogh and join the zebra painters after a week or four, five, six.)

guillot
01-06-2008, 04:23 PM
OK - here's my childish quick sketch - but should be enough to start painting with. Just wanted a little placement to keep me somewhat right. Now - where to begin? Top down, bottom up, left to right, hmmm. Maybe top to bottom. I'm thinking palette wise, only the primaries. Maybe Paris Blue, Cad yellow, cad red (very little), and I'll use flake white, maybe a dab of Mars or Lamp Black. I'm thinking this is going to be fun. My husband thinks I may come out of it missing an ear :p

I'm working on a 18 x 24 gallery-wrapped canvas - didn't want to use my larger more expensive canvases for a study. So I will try to compensate as I go where necessary since the ratio isn't quite perfect.

So - here's the very beginning for me. Now to get the palette ready and I think I'll get started. May not get too far today, but I really feel the need to get back into the grove of things. I'm still trying to figure out my new digital camera I got for Christmas - so the pic may be a bit bad..

Tina

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Jan-2008/5957-sketch.jpg

guillot
01-06-2008, 09:31 PM
Well, this is as far as I have gotten. Hard to keep the colors from blending together. I'm using Galkyd gel as a medium which has helped some. Takes a lot of wiping the brush off too. Nothing fantastic and still a long ways to go, but a decent start none the less. Has anyone ever known me to leave a stroke alone? I could only wish to be that brilliant to lay it and leave it, LOL.

Oh well - I'm having fun with it anyways, and I am doing my best to "leave the strokes alone". Here's my progress and I'm looking forward to seeing everyone elses work too. Probably can't get back to this until later this week - but looking forward to it. Pics not that great - it's a little dark ...

Tina

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Jan-2008/5957-Sofar1.jpg

Beautiful_Butterflies_Studio
01-06-2008, 10:05 PM
Can I join in too?
I LOVE Van Gogh, and have always been fascinated by his work and his life, so I would LOVE to try!

kwg
01-07-2008, 04:55 PM
I thought this might be of interest (found on the web site): http://www.stefanduncangallery.com/vincent_van_gogh.htm

"Van Gogh's palette
Typical colours in Van Gogh's palette included yellow ochre, chrome yellow and cadmium yellow, chrome orange, vermillion, Prussian blue, ultramarine, lead white and zinc white, emerald green, red lake, red ochre, raw sienna, and black. (Both chrome yellow and cadmium yellow are toxic, so modern artists tend to use versions that have "hue" at the end of the name, which indicates that it's made from non-toxic substitutes.) Van Gogh painted very rapidly, with a sense of urgency, using the paint straight from the tube in thick, graphic brushtrokes (impasto (http://painting.about.com/library/glossary/bldefimpasto.htm)). In his last 70 days, he is said to have averaged one a day.
Influenced by prints from Japan, he painted dark outlines around objects, filling these in with areas of thick colour. He knew that using complementary colours (http://painting.about.com/library/glossary/bldefcomplementarycolour.htm) make each seem brighter, using yellows and oranges with blues and reds with greens. His choice of colours varied with his moods and occasionally he deliberately restricted his palette, such as with the sunflowers which are almost entirely yellows."

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I have been somewhat neurotically obsessed with Vincent since about the age of 17 when I got my first of "The Great Masters" for $1.99 at the grocery store as an introductory to the series.

I will definitely participate!!!!! I've done several derivative pieces on "Starry Night" so I'm going to try "Wheatfields With Rising Sun." In 2002 I actually painted in the wheatfields in Auvers San Oise where he shot himself. It was Spring, so the fields were green, not gold. I got the back of the big church in the background (the one he painted all blue-- looks sortof like a haunted house). When I returned home, I opened one of my many books on van Gogh right to a page with an old B&W photo of that exact same spot!!

Also, I found this pic with different hues:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Jan-2008/124322-F07371.jpg

Not sure which way I'll go, but maybe somewhere inbetween.

Thanks for hosting!!!!!!

Happy New Year to all. Can't wait to see all the vvg's!
Karen

kwg
01-07-2008, 07:22 PM
Here's another version I found, I did say I was neurotically obsessed, right?

I don't know which version is most accurate, but I found some other interesting stuff you might enjoy.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Jan-2008/124322-vvvWheatfieldsfromBook_001.jpg

This was one of several paintings of the view out his iron-barred window at the Saint-Remy asylum. As he wrote to Theo, "...Over the red tile roofs a flock of white pigeons comes soaring between the black chimneys. Behind it all, a wide stretch of soft, tender green, miles and miles of flat meadow; and over it a grey sky, as calm, as peaceful as Corot or van Goyen."

And a sketch he did in black chalk, reed pen & ink, 47x62cm.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Jan-2008/124322-vvvWheatfieldsSketch.jpg

And here is the window, the view and some sketches he did of windows (from Van Gogh and Gaugin by Debora Silverman, for study only).

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Jan-2008/124322-vvvWheatfieldsHistory.jpg

I find it remarkable that he could find and express the beauty around him in the midst of his confined situation. Doesn't sound like a "madman" to me. Interesting that one of his doctors prescribed for him a remedy, "...that he paint."

Beautiful_Butterflies_Studio
01-07-2008, 08:31 PM
fantastic information Karen, thankyou for the insight into his "cell", especially the fact it was sooooo gloomy yet he captured beauty and richness in colours many of us could NEVER see!

If I could be just a 1/100th of that insight I would be a happy woman!!!!:lol:

dcorc
01-07-2008, 09:17 PM
Hi Carey, Tina, and others :wave:

I don't think I'll actually take part this time (I "ran" the first one, and did one of "Starry Night" then), but I'll be very interested to follow along.

Do check out the old thread, as there's lots of info there, descriptions of people's experiences in doing their study-copies, and thoughts about technique.

If I remember correctly, my own overall impressions were:
1. use lots of paint (its a good excuse to get out your student paints)
2. it's done wet-in-wet, but no solvent.
3. heavily-loaded small bristle rounds, for all the stripey strokes, applied lightly holding the brush almost parallel to the canvas.
4. work in areas, background, and then stripes on top
5. keep a brush for each colour.
6. you will only get a couple of stripes from each brush (roll the brush) before needing to wipe the brush and reload.
7. its rapid, but it's meticulous - start slow, concentrating on placing a stripe accurately - you will build speed with experience - trying to hurry it along will result in mud.

I'll be very interested to hear whether others agree or disagree with these impressions, once they've had a go, and what new insights are brought to this by a new group doing this MOM !

Good luck, everyone, and have fun!

Dave

kwg
01-07-2008, 10:28 PM
Dave, You took some of the words right out of my mouth! As I'm starting my "Wheatfields" I concur with your suggestions. Also (for me) I wish I hadn't outlined my drawing in black. I know van Gogh did, and I'm trying to follow his footsteps, as it were, but I hardly ever use black. Here's my humble beginnings:

20x16" oil on canvas

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Jan-2008/124322-kwgWheatfieldsWithSunrise01-08.jpg

I really like the color palette of the image posted (purples & yellow-gold) better than the others I found, so I'm using that. Also, I toned my canvas with pale pink as I read somewhere he often did. I definitely need to use smaller brushes!

dutch_hedgehog
01-08-2008, 01:33 AM
There is so much activity going one here, super :thumbsup: and very inspiring.

I decided to start with Van Gogh, too. But I take a little different approach. I found a pen and ink drawing and I would like to paint that Van Gogh style. I'm not sure if I will succeed, but it sounds like fun and I will learn a lot anyway.

I keep a few original paintings as references to guide me in brush technique and color. I like his light blue skies, which seem a little bit greenish to me. Who knows how to mix that color?

This is the drawing I will use as a start
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Jan-2008/98216-MOMVanGogh01.jpg

kwg
01-08-2008, 02:06 AM
Here is the next stage, about 2 hrs later:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Jan-2008/124322-kwgWheatfieldsWithSunrise2.01-08.jpg

And after dinner and another hour 1/2 or so:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Jan-2008/124322-kwgWheatfieldsWithSunrise3.01-08.jpg

Used the flash on the first one, then no flash. The color is actually closer to the second one.

I'm having fun!!!!! Thanks for the Master this month-- my fav!!!

kwg
01-08-2008, 05:53 AM
And after a few more hours, getting close to finished. C&C always welcome.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Jan-2008/124322-kwgWheatfieldsWithSunrise4.01-08.jpg

Gotta go to bed now, but would paint all night if I could. :)

wetbob
01-08-2008, 03:06 PM
MOM 2005 Van Gogh

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=292286&highlight=brush+strokes+gogh

His brush strokes

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=427196&highlight=brush+strokes+gogh

His palette


Typical colors in Van Gogh's palette included yellow ocher, chrome yellow and cadmium yellow, chrome orange, vermilion, Prussian blue, ultramarine, lead white and zinc white, emerald green, red lake, red ocher, raw sienna, and black. (Both chrome yellow and cadmium yellow are toxic, so some modern artists tend to use versions that have hue (http://painting.about.com/od/artglossaryh/g/defhue.htm) at the end of the name, which indicates that it's made from alternative pigments.)


http://painting.about.com/cs/colourtheory/a/palette_VanGogh.htm

Nice thread:Project Discussion: Van Gogh's World

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=233609&highlight=brush+strokes+gogh

favorite paintings

http://www3.vangoghmuseum.nl/vgm/index.jsp?page=1513&collection=619&lang=en

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Jan-2008/100299-van_gogh.jpeg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Jan-2008/100299-Caravans-Encampment-of-Gypsies-Print-C123420941.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Jan-2008/100299-van_gogh_perzik.jpg

http://www.vggallery.com/map/amsterdam.htm

Thread Why van Gogh What is it about Van Gogh?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=204654&highlight=brush+strokes+gogh

guillot
01-08-2008, 06:07 PM
Hi Dave :wave: So good to see you!!

kwg - your painting is looking very nice. I can't recall if you mentioned your support size - what size is your canvas? Lookin' real good :thumbsup:

Hi Dutch - that's a great drawing to work from. Can't wait to see what you do with it!!

Hi wetbob - thanks for the additional links!!

Hi Firehorse - have you decided on which to paint?? Hope to see you joining in too!!

I stay soooooo tired during the week - work drains all my energy. I really want to paint some more, and I need an "escape", so I think that's what I will do this evening. Food first - then the rest of the evening is mine (I hope).

Tina

guillot
01-08-2008, 09:31 PM
Here's my sleepy-eyed update. Got some more work done in the sky - still more strokes to lay of course in the sky.

Tina

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Jan-2008/5957-2nd_progress3A.jpg

EZ-ED
01-08-2008, 10:13 PM
does anyone have today pallette equivalents for red lake, chrome yellow and chrome orange?
ie: todays pallette equivalent for van gogh pallete

kwg
01-08-2008, 11:49 PM
does anyone have today pallette equivalents for red lake, chrome yellow and chrome orange?
ie: todays pallette equivalent for van gogh pallete

I found this in the reference to van Gogh's palette:

Both chrome yellow and cadmium yellow are toxic, so modern artists tend to use versions that have "hue" at the end of the name, which indicates that it's made from non-toxic substitutes.)

After some earnest online searching, I found this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimson[/font]

Alizarin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alizarin) is a pigment that was first synthesized in 1868 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1868) by the German (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany)chemists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemist)Carl Gräbe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Gr%C3%A4be) and Carl Liebermann (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Liebermann) and replaced the natural pigment madder lake (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madder_lake).
And this from:
http://www.paintmaking.com/historic_pigments.htm

Madder Lake
Used from Ancient times for dying textiles. It had less artistic use than people suppose because it was weak in tinting power. It wasn't until the beginning of the 19th century that a process was developed that produced a stronger version that became very popular. Later in the century Alizarin Crimson (see above) was developed and it was thought that the natural madder would disappear as being less light fast. It wasn't until a hundred years later that it became common knowledge that the natural product was actually the more light fast of the two. Both however could not compete with more light fast modern synthetic organic pigments of similar hue and by the year 2000 both were in serious decline and no longer recommended for permanent artwork. Also called Rose Madder.

Lac (Lake)
Any of several transparent red glazing colors used in the Renaissance but principally at first Lac a product from India and a colored version of Shellac. As brighter blue-reds became available, especially Kermes(see above) and Cochineal (see above) these were made by precipitating the dye onto a base to make a color that imitated Lac and so the name 'Lake' originated meaning any transparent dye based color precipitated on an inert pigment base and useful for glazing. Other paints often used as ' Red Lake' include Dragons Blood (see above), Madder (see below), Logwood (see below), and Brazilwood (see above). Now only Madder and Cochineal are still used and then only in small quantities. Madder is the most light fast of them but none match the permanency of modern synthetic lakes. Lac was the third most expensive pigment during the Renaissance behind gold and Ultramarine, but was considered worth it

Chrome Orange
Chemically similar to Chrome Yellow and sharing its problems (see below).


Chrome Red
Chemically similar to Chrome Yellow and sharing its problems (see below).


Chrome Yellow
Introduced in 1797 the Chrome Yellows and the red and orange versions became popular due to their opacity, their bright colors and because they were inexpensive. Unfortunately they are also impermanent and tend to darken and react with other pigments. They survived until quite recently, but have shared the fate of other lead pigments in recent years.


Hope this helps!!

P.S. For Tina-- my canvas is 16x20". Your Starry Night looks great!!!!

wetbob
01-09-2008, 07:11 AM
All the paintings are not finished. The last, church in Nuenen, i painted 3 days ago. Ill paint the forest when the paint is dry.

http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/by_artist.php?id=789&msg=new


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Jan-2008/100299-vangogh-re3.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Jan-2008/100299-vangoghre-2.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Jan-2008/100299-vangogh-re1.JPG

Please all C&C are welcome. I must use a darker palette for his old period. I had difficulty with the three left on the first painting.

EZ-ED
01-09-2008, 07:28 PM
this is my first oil painting (water soluable)(worked in acrylics up till now)
I chose to do a self portrait in the style of Van Gogh.
Included are
van gogh self portrait in straw hat
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Jan-2008/121150-selfportrait.jpg


a reference photo of my self
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Jan-2008/121150-selfportrait_ref.jpg

and finally my self as a Van Gogh self portrait.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Jan-2008/121150-edself2.jpg
comments welcome. thanks for keeping this thread alive

ed

dutch_hedgehog
01-11-2008, 12:05 PM
Tina - your starry night looks great, I'm curious about an update.

Karen - you're working very fast and that is the way it should be. Unfortunately, I do need several sesions. We will see where it will get me. Your painting looks wonderfull.

Wetbob - the paintings you have chosen make me look again and in a different way to the paintings of Vincent. Thanks for that. And I cann't wait to see the finished results.

Ed - very beautifull selfportrait. I do see one difference with the style of Van Gogh. The direction of the brushstrokes is very important in his paintings, while yours are nearly all in the same direction. BTW did you notice how odd Van Gogh placed his eyes in this portret?

Thank you all for all the information provided in this thread :thumbsup:.

I went to the Van Gogh museum in Amsterdam this morning. I planned on making detail photo's that would show the brushstrokes and the thickness of the paint. But, unfortunately, it is not allowed to make pictures.

I use this painting for the general idea of my own copy :
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Jan-2008/98216-voorbeeld_vangogh02.jpg

And the next two paintings are my examples for the colors I want to use :

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Jan-2008/98216-voorbeeld_vangogh01.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Jan-2008/98216-voorbeeld_vangogh03.jpg

And here, finally, a first glance of my attempt:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Jan-2008/98216-mijn_vangogh01.jpg

I hope to show an update soon!

guillot
01-11-2008, 10:44 PM
Wow - I'm thinking maybe the poor man pushed his patience to the limits - which contributed to the loss of such a beautiful ear ... :lol:

This is Really driving me crazy .. :cool:

Hi kwg - 16 x 20 is a great size! Your painting is looking wonderful and thanks for the kind words and support!!

WOW wetbob! I see you are very busy :) Great things going on there!

Hi EZ-ED - we haven't met! Glad that you are here and that's a very nice painting! You took the "style" and incorporated into your own palette and own composition and you did a wonderful job of it in my opinion, FWIW. Your colors are a bit softer, and you have the strokes going on, and the soft colors and strokes give a pleasing touch to the eye. Great work!!

Hi Dutch! Whew - don't know!! Kinda scare at this point to post an update, LOL.... It's either at what one would deem the "fugly stage" - or it's all going south :lol: I'm using individual brushes for each color - but these "strokes" are just driving me mad.. (which may elude to my conclusion that the poor man drove him ownself madd contemplating each and every ... what most people would contemplate, as a simple stroke!) My "impatience" shows in my work :p I'm excited about seeing what your doing!! I admire your work as you already know - what you have going on is a wonderful thing to watch unfold! Can't wait to see the results!

Ok - so with many crazy thoughts right now - here are my results so far. I'm trying to figure out whether or not the result will be good therapy .. well, at least in the long run ...

Also - I'm the kind of painter that feels much more comfortable after I at least get one coat on the canvas completely - things just go much "smoother' at the point - so, I think I'll feel better when I get the canvas covered with paint .. Then I can touch up here and there ..

PS - and I'm still trying to figure out this new camera!

Tina

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Jan-2008/5957-Update3D.jpg

guillot
01-12-2008, 12:57 AM
Last update for tonight - Still want to cover the canvas - and working on the strokes .... Maybe tomorrow I can get a true shot in true light ...


Tina

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Jan-2008/5957-Update4A.jpg

Vorrox
01-12-2008, 03:51 PM
Here's my rendition of Cafe Terrace At Night. Painted about a year ago - my first crack at a master.

http://multimedia.greghenderson.net/CafeTerraceAtNight800.jpg

Beautiful_Butterflies_Studio
01-13-2008, 07:56 AM
I'm here, just have a few other things to do, but will give a better update tommorow, as bed time for me!

dutch_hedgehog
01-13-2008, 09:03 AM
Greg, your nightcafé is gorgious. With all the light comming through the computerscreen it has become a painting that makes me feel happy. I might go to Otterloo and have a long long look at the original.


Hi Dutch! Whew - don't know!! Kinda scare at this point to post an update, LOL.... It's either at what one would deem the "fugly stage" - or it's all going south :lol: I'm using individual brushes for each color - but these "strokes" are just driving me mad.. (which may elude to my conclusion that the poor man drove him ownself madd contemplating each and every ... what most people would contemplate, as a simple stroke!) My "impatience" shows in my work :p I'm excited about seeing what your doing!! I admire your work as you already know - what you have going on is a wonderful thing to watch unfold! Can't wait to see the results!


Tina

Let me tell you a secret Tina: my paintings don't have ugly stages. When I have painted as little as in my last (and first) update, all I can see is how beautifull it might become :angel:. When finishing a painting I hope to have found a good balance between the pride of all I did achieve and the frustration over all the things that went wrong.

There was a reason to stop at this early stage and show you all what I painted until then. I didn't know how to decide which colors I would like to use. So I looked at the photo's in my book about Van Gogh, and looked again and again and again. These photo's aren't very good and I don't trust the colors they show in many of his paintings, which was a good excuse to wait until yesterday to finally choose my colors. Showing my first stage felt as a promise to the WC-community. It makes it more difficult to chicken out (if that is the right expression, having a little language problem here :o ).

Things are going very slow. I guess I was born with the fanbrush in my little fists ready for blending :lol:. Boy, is it difficult to leave each stroke where it first landed :(.
I am trying to get a rough idea about color, direction of the brushstrokes and value at the moment. When I was at the museum some paintings gave me the idea that Vincent sometimes made his composition in the same way.
After that I will use more paint and fill in the gaps.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Jan-2008/98216-mijn_vangogh02.jpg

C&C is very welcome, it is the reason why I show my work at WC.

TIna and Karen, I would appreciate it if you could show us some detail photo's. I would like to see some individual brushstrokes and the thickness of the paint in your versions.

Vorrox
01-13-2008, 09:51 AM
Thanks for the poz feedback DH! You are soooo lucky to live close to the original. It's one of my life-missions to get to see this painting. If you do go to Otterloo, could you stay a bit longer and soak up some extra happy vibes for me too?

I like where your painting is heading too. You're being very disciplined about your brush strokes. I'd have caved in with the blending by now!

See? It's good to be Dutch. :wave:

guillot
01-13-2008, 11:35 AM
Vorrox - love your painting!! Very nice ..

Hi Dutch - I had to hide my fan brushes, LOL I have the same tendencies in painting too. Your painting is coming along very nicely!! I will see if I can get a closeup shot for you later today. Thanks for the positive feedback!!

Tina

dutch_hedgehog
01-13-2008, 11:40 AM
If you do go to Otterloo, could you stay a bit longer and soak up some extra happy vibes for me too?

Yeh, I will. I'll change my original idea in taking a long long long long look. The last two long looks are for you :D. I'm not sure how to send these vibes to you, though, but I probably will find out when I'm there :lol: ).

New update, not exactly happy with the right upper corner, will try to correct that later.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Jan-2008/98216-mijn_vangogh03.jpg

kwg
01-13-2008, 01:37 PM
RE:
TIna and Karen, I would appreciate it if you could show us some detail photo's. I would like to see some individual brushstrokes and the thickness of the paint in your versions.
Hi Dutch- Your painting is looking marvelous!!!!! Oh- how I wish I could stroll into the van Gogh Museum, too. I've seen quite a few up close (the traveling exhibit, "van Goghs van Goghs" when it came to LACMA; several while in NYC & Paris). My dream museum is the one there in Amsterdam.... alas-- someday.
Here are my detail shots. You can see I'm not very careful. I paint too fast, am too impatient. And tend to use the same brush. Although I went and bought new small rounds in order to try to keep one brush for each color. We'll see if I can discipline myself. Seems funny to need to "be disciplined" while atempting to paint like Vincent! :)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Jan-2008/124322-WheatfieldsCloseup0.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Jan-2008/124322-WheatfieldsCloseup1.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Jan-2008/124322-WheatfieldsCloseup2.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Jan-2008/124322-WheatfieldsCloseup3.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Jan-2008/124322-WheatfieldsCloseup4.jpg

wetbob
01-13-2008, 02:51 PM
It are all lovely paintings sended in. DH i think van Gogh used loads of paint for his skies. With mutch white and cerulean blue or manganese blue hue and a bit of prussian/outremer/phtalo blue and greys.
You ll get nice effects when adding yellow ocre to it. Not too mutch then it will become a green sky.

I do not know it, but its out of experience so maybe others can give more info

Success DH

dutch_hedgehog
01-14-2008, 01:04 AM
Thank you so much, Karen, for the details. Now I understand better what I see when I look at the overall picture :thumbsup:. That dark red/purple color I see in the details is definitely not Van-Gogh-like, but the total painting is. Whe have a dislike of the black outlines in common, I guess :).
I have chosen for a more blueish purple as color for the outline. But I might start using some black as well, now that I see how the painting develops. So the big master was right after all with his choice of black ??

You used so many colors in the field! Makes me wonder if I should do that as well. Back to the books and more study for me, I guess :rolleyes:.


It are all lovely paintings sended in. DH i think van Gogh used loads of paint for his skies. With mutch white and cerulean blue or manganese blue hue and a bit of prussian/outremer/phtalo blue and greys.
You ll get nice effects when adding yellow ocre to it. Not too mutch then it will become a green sky.

I do not know it, but its out of experience so maybe others can give more info
I used cerulean blue mixed with napels yellow for the sky as it is now, but maybe I will change that. I'm not sure, so I will wait untill the whole canvas (paper in my case) is covered with paint. Then it will become easier to decide if the sky needs another color.


Success DH
Thanks wetbob, success for you too. Did you find time to work on your early Van Gogh's ?

Beautiful_Butterflies_Studio
01-14-2008, 03:00 AM
WOWser everyone has done an amazing job, and I am about to show my pathetic WIP:eek: :eek: :eek: :lol: :lol:

Anyway, as I am combining the monthly paint along with the MOM of Van Gogh, I will post in both threads, unless this is a no-no (I need advice based on different areas).

I picked on the zebras, so as not to copy Van Gogh, and I wish I had picked a simplier subject!

The black outline that van gogh used, to outline zebras was far from fun! (I used a grid to transfer - Hope no one objects to this method?????:eek: )
(It's 23.5 x 19.5 inches)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Jan-2008/89438-Jan08_Oil_Mum_and_Bub_Zebra_1.jpg

Then I decided to add the background, with the theory of a brush stroked laid is a brush stroke stayed, oh AND the complementary colours were used. BUT someone forgot to tell me, in small doses, not this...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Jan-2008/89438-Jan08_Oil_Mum_and_Bub_Zebra_2.jpg

Oh please someone shoot me now!!!!!:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Anyway, needless to say, that got wiped and now I am left with this mess and in need of help!...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Jan-2008/89438-Jan08_Oil_Mum_and_Bub_Zebra_3.jpg

Now for the paint-a-long this background I would keep, but for van gogh - I am lost....

Back to reading I think!!!!!

C&C WANTED Desperately!!!!!!

GrahamH
01-14-2008, 06:48 PM
I finished this last year. Irises.
It wasn't my intention to copy the origonal exactly. I just wanted a feel
of how Vincent may have aproached it.
48 x 32 Oil on canvas.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Jan-2008/80798-Final_Painting_-_25_Feb_2007_-_Iris.jpg

mawdwyn
01-14-2008, 10:13 PM
Just found this on the VG Museum site... click on the enlarge image icon and you get an interactive view of this painting (Landscape at Twilight) - zoom in and out on any area. Lets you get a really good look at his brushwork:

http://www3.vangoghmuseum.nl/vgm/index.jsp?page=3323&collection=1282&lang=en

Hope I can find the time for this MOM and still get the paint along project done, this looks like a fun challenge. Thanks Carey for bringing Vincent back.

Beautiful_Butterflies_Studio
01-14-2008, 10:50 PM
Graham - this is beautiful and fantastically painted!!!

GrahamH
01-14-2008, 11:40 PM
Graham - this is beautiful and fantastically painted!!!
Blush !!

Thanks Firehorse.
It was very satisfying to paint.
I used stand oil to make the paint thick and it
was like syrop to apply. Lovely!

For this MOM I want to paint one of his still life
with Poppies. Hopefuly it will turn out like this.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Jan-2008/80798-poppies.jpg

TinaLD
01-16-2008, 07:58 PM
Dutch!

I just wanted to say how much I like your piece! must be because I'm a fan of the fanbrush myself!!!!!

dutch_hedgehog
01-17-2008, 01:25 AM
Thank you, Tina.

I looked at your site and saw a lot of fan brush work indeed :lol:.
Great paintings, I especially liked the moutain in the mist, because there is so little detail (and so much fanbrushing) in it. It's a pitty I could not enlarge your pictures to have a detailed look.

TinaLD
01-17-2008, 01:45 PM
Thanks, linking my images to expand is fairly high on my priority list. I like the blue you use in the background of your Van Gogh copy.

LGHumphrey
01-17-2008, 04:28 PM
This was my first painting, done a bit more than 3 years ago.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Jan-2008/60616-P1010414.JPG

!becca
01-17-2008, 04:50 PM
I should start by saying several years ago I was fortunate enough to visit many of the museums in Europe, including the Van Gogh Museum. I was definitely one of the highlights of my life. I should also say that my knowledge of art history is limited. This thread has helped with that a little. About 2 years ago ,when I started painting, I was captivated by a particularly bright, prismed, full august moon. My thoughts were with memories of Van Gogh's work, although my colors are not nearly as vivid. Just wanted to share it with its sister painting "morning star".
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Jan-2008/100116-my_paintings_0355.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Jan-2008/100116-my_paintings_0325.jpg
Thanks for the thread, I've enjoyed looking and reading.

Beautiful_Butterflies_Studio
01-18-2008, 05:29 AM
well I finally finished the painting....

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Jan-2008/89438-Jan08_Oil_Mum_and_Bub_Zebra.jpg

this is a close up of the brushwork...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Jan-2008/89438-Jan08_Oil_Mum_and_Bub_Zebra_upclose.jpg

C&C WELCOMED AND DESIRED....

Beautiful_Butterflies_Studio
01-18-2008, 05:32 AM
stunning painting Becca!!!!

kwg
01-18-2008, 08:15 PM
Graham-- love your irises!!! Can't wait to see what you do with the red flowers...
Humphrey-- your sunflowers are stunning! Very impressive and first painting, WOW!
!becca-- your night sky paintings are very moving, really captured the light of the moon, and single star-- well done!!
Firehorse-- I was watching to see what you were going to do after you scraped off your BK (I liked it red & blue!!), but it really looks good!

I can't seem to get back into mine... oh, well.

Beautiful_Butterflies_Studio
01-18-2008, 09:47 PM
Firehorse-- I was watching to see what you were going to do after you scraped off your BK (I liked it red & blue!!), but it really looks good!

THANKYOU, I am happy with this painting, it turned out better than I thought!!!!

!becca
01-18-2008, 10:50 PM
Firehorse, thanks for the comment. When I saw your post, at first I thought you posted in the wrong thread, then I looked more closely. How creative of you to combine the two projects. Nicely done.
Karen, thank you.

dutch_hedgehog
01-19-2008, 07:42 AM
Hi guys,

I managed to cover my paper with paint, so it is time for an update.
But let me give some feedback first :

Stacey (Firehorse_Australia) - you were very brave with all those colors in the back. There was a lot of red, blue and white in it, so it reminded me of the dutch flag. I agree that the new background is much better.
The detail shows how you used a lot of paint, very well done.

Graham - beautifull irises. I'm impatiently (;)) waiting for the poppies.

Lawrence - yeah....these sunflowers are gorgious. You were able to put the paint in a thick layer on the canvas. I still have to get used to that. I start with what I think is a lot of paint on the brush, but I end up with a thin smear of paint on my paper :).

!becca - love your night scenes (I do live Vincents stars very much as well)

This is as far as I got by now, not finished yet. It is time to start the next round to correct things and fill in the gaps. I will show details when the painting is finished.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jan-2008/98216-mijn_vangogh04.jpg

Brian Bartow
01-19-2008, 12:33 PM
Love that last painting. I have copied that sketch multiple times and always learn more each time :)

Brian

dutch_hedgehog
01-19-2008, 02:16 PM
Love that last painting. I have copied that sketch multiple times and always learn more each time :)

Brian

Thanks Brian, I do understand. This is the first time I work with this sketch (actually, it is the first time I try to paint a 'Van Gogh' in my life, did not decide how to sign it yet :evil: :lol: ) There is so much to learn from it.

LGHumphrey
01-19-2008, 02:19 PM
dutch_hedgehog, that's coming along very nicely indeed.

LGHumphrey
01-19-2008, 02:20 PM
Vincent's mom.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jan-2008/60616-P1010420.JPG

Beautiful_Butterflies_Studio
01-20-2008, 12:12 AM
Firehorse, thanks for the comment. When I saw your post, at first I thought you posted in the wrong thread, then I looked more closely. How creative of you to combine the two projects. Nicely done.
Karen, thank you.

THANKYOU, yeah wasn't sure is doing it this way would work (as I have never seen a van gogh animal??????), but I had fun and learnt a LOT!!!!

GrahamH
01-20-2008, 02:03 AM
Made a start on Still Life: Red Poppies & Dasies. Origonal was painted at Auvers, June, 1890. I made the stretcher bars as close as possible to the origonal 20 x 26 inches. Stretched over it pre sized canvas and gave it another coat of white gesso. (Should have used pinkish shade). Enlarged an image of the origonal and copied an outline using transfer paper. I am using Cad Red, Grumbacher Perm. Green, Cad Yellow light, Burnt Umber, Flake White.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jan-2008/80798-Poppies__Daisies_-_20_x_26_-_19_Jan_2008_WIP_2.JPG

GrahamH
01-20-2008, 02:26 AM
Graham-- love your irises!!! Can't wait to see what you do with the red flowers...


Hey Karen, Love your Irises too!!! Check out my poppies ( so far).

kwg
01-20-2008, 12:56 PM
OooooooooH!!! Love the poppies!! It's incredible that those complimentary colors work in that composition without vibrating like you would think. Vincent just had such an intuitive sense of color-- and mostly raw, right out of the tube. Can't wait to see it finished! I think I'm done with my "Sunrise" as I can't seem to want to work on it anymore. But-- I think I'll start a new one. Where did you see my Irises? Here's one I did on a $4 yard sale chair, that just begged to be painted "a la V.G."


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jan-2008/124322-Iris_Chair1.jpg

Maybe I'll do a painting of this chair...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jan-2008/124322-Iris_Chair.jpg

I like the way it's kindof "floating" with no shadow. Reminds me of that other chair painting.

GrahamH
01-20-2008, 04:31 PM
Karen, saw your Irises on your web site. You give a whole new meaning to "Plein Air" as well ! :)

guillot
01-20-2008, 05:38 PM
Graham, beautiful work!! Love the poppies painting....

Firehorse - I love your Zebras!! I was thinking of doing something the zebras too - but I think after this one - don't know.

DH - sorry for the late posting. I know I said I would post a closeup - had some computer problems to straighten out. My strokes aren't as elegant nor disciplined as Karens (lovely work Karen) - but I've posted a closeup for you anyway. I haven't done too much more to mine - but I think I'm on the homestretch. Your painting is very nice!! I'm hoping to finish this by tomorrow.

Karen - your chair reminds me of an "Art on Chairs" fundraiser that I participated in a couple of years ago for the Susan G. Komen fund at a local art gallery :). Very Lovely!!

Well, here's my progress - not too much more done to it. But hoping to get this behind me tonight-tomorrow.

Thanks,
Tina

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jan-2008/5957-CLOSEUP1.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jan-2008/5957-UPDATE5.jpg

guillot
01-20-2008, 05:39 PM
crazy thing posted twice - came back to delete the second posting -

Termini.
01-20-2008, 10:24 PM
Well, here's my progress - not too much more done to it. But hoping to get this behind me tonight-tomorrow.

Thanks,
Tina

OMG! Tina, that is awesome! :clap:

guillot
01-20-2008, 11:35 PM
Hi Jim - Thank you for the kind words and support! I think I'm almost done - need to do some straightening up in the foreground - I kind of lost track and started doing my own thing in some spots. I couldn't figure out what was there - so I just made something up as I went, hoping it would fit in. It's a gallerywrap canvas too, so it's not done until all the edges are painting, so I'm going to go around the canvas - touch up some spots and call it done I think. I painted everything down until the one thing that brings the whole thing together - the one and only red roof. I never noticed the importance of that until this study.

So, here's where I'm at so far ...

Thanks again Jim :angel:

Tina

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jan-2008/5957-Homestretch2.jpg

GrahamH
01-21-2008, 12:20 AM
Tina I think I like you version better than the origonal !!
I'm guessing you didn't have a glass or three of absinthe, (popular with many artists, including Van Gogh), before your painting commenced ?
My Poppies are coming on, the Cad Red really hits out in the forground I think.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Jan-2008/80798-Poppies__Daisies_-_20_x_26_-_19_Jan_2008_WIP_3.JPG

!becca
01-21-2008, 02:53 AM
dutch_hedghog, nice progress, looks wonderful.
grahamH, beautiful poppies.
tina, I like your texture.

wetbob
01-21-2008, 07:04 AM
Graham youve sended in nice paintings.

The chair is really cool. Also like the other paintings, ill send in my
finished one soon
Thnx all:clap:

guillot
01-21-2008, 11:23 AM
Hi Graham - :lol: no, no absinthe ... Thought for awhile it might drive me to drinking though! I love the vibrancy in your poppies!! Look forward to it's progress ... Thanks for the kind comments!!

Hi becca - thank you for the comments too!! It was difficult for me to not want to blend the strokes and the possibility for mud was quite high too... I'm happy to be close to finishing - and also to keep my promise to myself that if I start something to finish it :rolleyes:

LGHumphrey - I like the painting you are doing of Vincent's Mom!

I painted the edges of mine last night, except for the bottom edge, since I have to wait for all the other edges to dry before I can turn it up to finish it. I believe I only have a couple of touch-ups to do, then I'll post the final later today. Haven't mastered the new digital camera yet. My husband bought it for me for Christmas, and it was the last one they had on display and it's missing the blasted manual. It's one of those new Sony DSC-W200's. Very nice camera - if I could only figure out how to use it properly! I'll see if I can get a better "true light" pic of it today after I'm finished and call it done ..

Tina

GrahamH
01-21-2008, 12:43 PM
Hey Tina,
Nice Camera, you should get some excellent closeups with that!
You can download the manual here....
http://www.sonystyle.ca/commerce/servlet/ProductDetailDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&langId=-1&productId=1003845

guillot
01-21-2008, 04:08 PM
Hi Graham - oh thank you for finding that!! I tried to download it, but it requires for you to have an account to download it, and it also doesn't have an option for a US address, so it will not let me register to download it - but I'm going to check at some other Sony websites to see if they have a downloadable version available too. It is a nice camera - has lots of bells and whistles. I'm having trouble determining the right setting to take pics of my paintings though. It's snowing outside - so can't get an outdoor shot, and tried taking one in regular window lighting without a flash - that didn't work either - so, I've played around with it some, but really need that manual!! If I can't find one on-line that will let me download it, I'll call them and ask for them to mail me one. Of course the cashier told my husband that everything was in the box :rolleyes: But thank you again very much for trying to help me - I sincerely appreciate that ..

Well, here is the final painting, and I took a pic of one of the edges too, so you can see what I did there... I just tried to keep the patterns going around the edges. For the most part, I really enjoyed the challenge that this presented to me - patience being the most challenging part I think. I'll probably let this dry for at least a month before I turn it upside down to do the bottom edge - at least the palette is an easy one to re-do for that part as far as matching up the colors - no biggie there.

Can't wait to see everyone elses as they progress. Really nice work for everyone so far!!

Thanks,
Tina

The edges:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Jan-2008/5957-Edges.jpg

The final painting: Edited to see if this pic is better - the other one was kind of blurry or something ..

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Jan-2008/5957-TheFinish.jpg

kwg
01-21-2008, 09:16 PM
Tina-- Beautiful!! I love your painted edges, and you really captured the van Gogh strokes-- I think you've surpassed the original. Have fun and good luck with your new camera!!

guillot
01-21-2008, 09:46 PM
Thanks Karen for the support and comments !! :angel: I dunno about surpassing the original *blush* - it definitely was a challenge for me.. Thanks again ..

Thanks to Graham I now have a copy of the manual!! Such a nice thing to do - thanks Graham for registering on the site and sending me a copy of the manual - now I can't complain :lol: - many thanks to you for taking an extra step for an artist friend in need :angel:

Tina

dutch_hedgehog
01-22-2008, 12:58 AM
Lawrence - Vincents mom is a beautiful painting. Yours as wel as his. Yours has a vary pastel like feeling. I'm reading Vincents letters to his brother Theo. He very often writes about paintings he is working on in these letters. I'm wondering if and what he wrote about this portret of his mother. His relation with his father was not very good and he speaks litle about his mother. We'll see. He made this painting in 1888 and I'm still reading about 1885 when he lives in Nuenen.

Graham - what a color in those poppies! What a difference with the dark brown paintings I'm reading about at the moment :)

Karen - love those ireses on the chair.

Tina - thank you so much for these detail photo's. It is a very very beautiful starry night. You did use really thick paint. You are way ahead of me with this.
What a beauty :thumbsup:.
( I've heard there are some chinese businessmen who want to offer you a job :lol: :lol: ).

There will be no time to paint for me untill next weekend, so you'll have to wait until then for an update on my painting.

LGHumphrey
01-22-2008, 01:33 PM
dutch-hedgehog, maybe you already know this, but.....Vincent's sister Wilhelmina had sent him a black and white photo of their mother in Sept. '88 but he didn't like it and on 8 Oct. writes to Theo

"I am doing a portrait of Mother for myself. I cannot stand the colourless photograph, and I am trying to do one in a harmony of colour, as I see her in my memory."

Just out of curiosity, are you reading the letters in Dutch, French, or English?

guillot
01-22-2008, 08:09 PM
( I've heard there are some chinese businessmen who want to offer you a job :lol: :lol: ).



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: !

Thank you for the comments dutch :D Do these chinese businessmen drink absinthe I wonder? :lol: :lol:

Tina

!becca
01-23-2008, 01:00 AM
Tina, you did a really nice job on those edges.

dutch_hedgehog
01-23-2008, 01:37 AM
I didn't know that yet, Lawrence.
I'm reading the letters from february 1885 now. He managed to put much feelings of love in this portret of his mother. She really looks like a sweet old lady. The contrast with the emotions in the letters is huge. He sounds like a selfish, nasty man and never speaks nicely about his familie, except for one sister.
I'm thinking that in his hart he loved his mother, but was disappointed that he did not get more support of her against his father and and against the social rules of morality of that time. But the only proof I have (at this moment, because there still is much more to read) is the way this portret speaks to me.

The color of the portret is weird. But that is explained by the fact that he painted it from a photo, I guess. Apparently he could not 'invent' colors when he wasn't painting from real life.
Somewhere he writes:
It's strange that I'm not a colorist, because I cerntainly have the temperament for it. We all know that changed after he went to Paris :)

LGHumphrey
01-23-2008, 02:49 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Jan-2008/60616-P1010429.JPG


This is Trabuc, an attendant at the mental hospital. He was one of the very few people who treated Vincent kindly.

Beautiful_Butterflies_Studio
01-26-2008, 04:59 AM
I just LOVE everyones interpretations, so beautiful and lively!!!! I am still thinking about doing another, but unsure.... wait maybe until see the next paint-a-long?????

LGHumphrey
01-26-2008, 02:40 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Jan-2008/60616-P1010430.JPG


Madame Trabuc, wife of the attendant in the mental hospital.


Firehorse, why wait? Do another one now while you're still thinking of it. Tempus fugit and all that.

ElizaLeahy
01-27-2008, 09:03 PM
I'm coming in on this late - and I'm cheating. I won't have time to do this, as it's almost the end of the month, but I'll try to get in earlier next month.

This is a portrait of my son I did last year and I called it "Garth Van Gogh"

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Jan-2008/4490-garthvangogh.jpg

Do I get a spanking for slipping in a pre-done painting?

ElizaLeahy
01-27-2008, 09:11 PM
Oh - it's for Feb too? I better go do another one :)

Beautiful_Butterflies_Studio
01-27-2008, 10:21 PM
Eliza - fantastic piece, LOVE the bold strokes and colours, VERY van gogh-ish I think!!!!

wetbob
01-28-2008, 05:52 AM
I send in 2 paintings. The first is almost ready and the 2 one is just started
It was nice doing it and learned mutch
C&C welcome

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Jan-2008/100299-goghchurch.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Jan-2008/100299-goghmountainhouse.JPG

kwg
01-29-2008, 01:32 AM
WetBob: I really like the sky on the second one. Looking forward to seeing it finished!

I decided to work this a bit more. I'll live with it for a while, maybe it's done I don't know. I added more golds and oranges and then I got carried away and worked all the colors more. I just got new paints :clap: (artisan) and they are much better than my old ones (Van Gogh & Max2) all water soluble. Got a GREAT deal on Ebay!!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Jan-2008/124322-kwgVincentsAsylumWheatfields.jpg
oil on gallery-wrap canvas, 16x20

Oh, yeah-- and I've painted the sides, too. I usually carry the painting around the edges on the thich canvases.

I want to start a new one-- a twist on Vincent's chair-- but of my chair with the irises posed in a similar fashion on a brick floor.

C&C always welcome.

Beautiful_Butterflies_Studio
01-30-2008, 04:26 AM
WetBob - stunning first painting, which has me glued to the screen to see the second one finished!!!!!! Just brilliant!!!!!

Karen - LOVE this!!!! Those colours are so rich and vibrant, glowing with inner light. I think you have catptured Van Gogh's essence in a painting perfectly!!!

LGHumphrey
01-30-2008, 02:09 PM
kwg, that's coming along beautifully.

Another portrait, copy after Vincent.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Jan-2008/60616-P1010434.JPG

guillot
01-30-2008, 07:16 PM
Hi Ibecca - thank you for the comments!! I really like the gallerywrapped canvases - no need for framing and such (or, you can if you want), but really like working with them.

LGHumphrey - I love all of your interpretations!! Really like the attendant - nice work!!

Eliza - I like what you have done. I'm sure that your son loves the painting!! Hope to see you doing another one.

Wetbob - NICE - reminds me of .... oh gee..... what's his name??? Escapes me. The house by the railroad .... Not Turner but ???? Or was it Turner?? UGH - I hate it when it's right there on the tip of my tongue.... Nice work!!

Karen - LOVELY!!! love the control you have in all the strokes. And the coloring is fantastic and vibrant. Are you doing another one??

I'm on business and away from home for a couple of weeks. Had an opportunity to check in and see everyone's work. I'm considering doing one of Carrie's side-activities in the Van Gogh style - but not sure. Can't do it here of course - but maybe when I get back home. It's really refreshing to see what everyone is doing - LOVELY work everyone!! If I missed commenting on someone's work - please forgive me - not intentional.

Tina

kwg
01-31-2008, 09:46 AM
Tina-- Yes, I'm starting a new one, and I just toned the canvas with (I'm not kidding!) cadmium orange. I'm doing a "Chair a la Vincent" with my "Irises Chair." So, in essence-- it will be a painting within a painting. The chair as subject matter is very symbolic.

My inspiration:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Jan-2008/124322-VincentsChair.jpg

Here is my chair:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Jan-2008/124322-IrisChair1.jpg

I like the position and angle of this chair and the way it seems to float, with no cast shadow. I prefer this environment. I really like the bricks and the directional elements on the fence. However-- I think the fence ought to be yellow or citron... I plan to leave "outlines" from the toned canvas. I'm very impatient, so I covered my canvas with acrylic paint.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Jan-2008/124322-IrisChair2.jpg

My ink sketch:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Jan-2008/124322-IrisChairalaVincent.jpg

Ok-- off I go!!!! I just looooooooooooooooove to paint like Vincent!!!!!!!!!

bostonartist
01-31-2008, 04:21 PM
Just went on line here to do some research on Van Gogh( creating a website about his color theory and technique) and saw this thread...very good thread. I enjoy looking at other artist interpertations of Van Gogh. I just finished his "Olive Grove" which I will post and starting on another one very soon. Any comments would be helpful....Thanks

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Jan-2008/87323-olive_grove_sample.JPG

This was done on linen canvas, frame size was orginal size 28 x 36 inches, using the same palette colors he used.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Jan-2008/87323-olive_grove_close_up_1.JPG
This is a close up. I try very hard to create the style he would use.

GrahamH
01-31-2008, 09:40 PM
I attempted this last year, but it is still relevant I think.
The origonal "Olive Trees with the Alpilles in the Background"
1889 Oil on canvas 28 12 x 36 14 in. (72.5 x 92 cm)
is the collection Mrs. John Hay Whitney.

First the origonal, then my version.
You just learn loads by doing copies, even if you don't replecate them exactly but add your own touch.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Jan-2008/80798-Olive_Trees_with_the_Alpilles_in_the_Background.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Jan-2008/80798-Final_-_Final.jpg

dutch_hedgehog
02-01-2008, 10:03 AM
Lawrence - Trubac (mister and misses) and the attendent look great. Did you make all these in the last few weeks? That seems a lot of work to me :thumbsup:. How long does it take you to paint one of these portraits?
When I compare the original olive trees with your version, it seems to me that your technique is different from Vincent's. But that did not stop you from having quite a "Van Gogh"-like mood in your painting.

Wetbob - isn't that a beautiful little church, eh! I love it. The unfinished painting of the house gives a nice impression of your approach, thanks for showing this to us. I do love to see the unfinished works as much as the finished ones.

Bostonartist - whow, what an introduction! This definitly is a "Van Gogh". I'm glad you joined us in this project. And the detail pic gives a great impression of the brush strokes. Thanks for that too. It gives me a better view of what I try to achieve.
Did you block in area's before you started putting the paint this thick on the canvas?
Ahh, I would love to hear about your expiriences while painting this.

I did some more on my version, but not as much as I had hoped for.
There is still a lot more to do (and I'm enjoying it).

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Feb-2008/98216-mijn_vangogh06b.jpg

bostonartist
02-01-2008, 12:01 PM
Hi Dutch hedgehog - When I am doing a Van Gogh I never block in, I try to stay to the orginal way it was painted and he rarely blocked in his canvas. A great way to understand how he painted is to study his drawings from the summer of 1880 - 1890. Most of times I do one of his paintings I will copy his drawing of the same subject (if available) so I can understand the method of his brush stokes. He painted in the same way he drew, so if you can master his drawing you have half the battle won.....then you just have to figure out his color scheme, which takes some research. In the Olive Grove the main thing I wanted to acheive was the energy that the painting acheives.....the only thing I would do different is use a smaller brush for the sky, so the impression of the compact energy in the sky is more forceful.
You are differently on the right path with painting, make sure you post it when completed, i would like to see it.....I started another one this morning which I will post.

wetbob
02-01-2008, 01:00 PM
Thnx all for the compliments. The house on the mountain costed me a white tube of paint. He ll had to spent a lot of money on his tubes? I like all the paintings sended in. DH your painting is looking nice. Your sky is good and the colors fresh.

Bostonartist Your painting is an exact copy of the original. Very nice. Only the colors are a little bit darker in my van Gogh book then yours. Did you see the original? Well done. You mentioned that you know some colours he used, can u share some with us/or website (also the used brushes). I m especially looking for the fibrant green color he often uses.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Feb-2008/100299-zelfportret_van_gogh.jpg

http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/gogh/self/gogh.self-gauguin.jpg

In my book its more bluish then here on the photo. Maybe the painting is cleaned, because in my book you cant see his jacket, the signature is more clear and the face has mutch more depth then on this photo.

LGHumphrey
02-01-2008, 01:56 PM
bostonartist, that's fabulous! How do you get the paint to stand up like that, is it a question of the brand of paint used? Which do you use, btw?

LGHumphrey
02-01-2008, 02:16 PM
dh, I'm only a Sunday painter but when you're retired every day is Sunday, so I do a painting every day. These ones took me about 3 hours each, and were done over a year ago. Now I'm not doing copies but trying to do my own work.

I guess the olive trees you mention are the ones done by GrahamH.

When Vincent was in Antwerp in 1885 he decided to go to art school, hired a model, painted her portrait, presented it to the school hoping to gain admission, and was met with "oooh, a portrait......we're not interested in portraits" but they let him in anyway. He lasted 3 months.

Here's my copy of the portrait. Problem is that every artsite shows different colours so I have no idea if these ones are accurate.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Feb-2008/60616-P1010432.JPG

bostonartist
02-01-2008, 02:19 PM
Hi WetBob,
Yes the color's are "grayed down.I have had an opportunity to have seen maybe 80-90% of his painting from his late years and the one thing I have noticed is that his landscapes were all "grayed" down,so when he put a pure color on top of it ,so the pure color would seem luminous. Also beware of photographs in books....you can have 4 different books with the same picture and each one will look different, it all depends on the photographer and the light settings he uses. For a true look at his paintings, look on-line at the museum that holds the painting, usally they have the best image. here is the list of colors he used from 1887 - 1890, concerning the green you are looking for, it ether came from the blue/yellow mixtures or the pure green pigments he used, just remember that he rarely used tertiary mixtures. I am in the process of creating a web-site on his color theory and techinques, which will include a color wheel of his colors, which I will post here on WC.

Colors Van Gogh Used

Chrome I (lemon yellow)
Chrome II (Chrome yellow)
Chrome III ( Cad. yellow)
Veronese Green
Emerald Green
Malachite Green
Chrome Oxide Green
Prussian Blue
Cobalt Blue
Ultramarine Blue
Geranium Lake
Vermilion
Carmine
Ordinary lake
Orange lead
Red Siennia
Yellow Ocher
Red Orcher
Flake White
Silver White
Zinc White
Ivory Black

Mediums used were turps, egg whites and wax












Van Gogh Colors 1887 - 1890

bostonartist
02-01-2008, 02:33 PM
bostonartist, that's fabulous! How do you get the paint to stand up like that, is it a question of the brand of paint used? Which do you use, btw?

Thats a very good question....VG was very picky when he was instructing his paint dealer on the proper way he wanted his oils mixed, it had to be the right consistency .Through trail and error, I have chosen Gamblins, they seem to have the right consistency, on the high end, but for me its worth it. if you were going to pick a low end (student grade) I would chose the new line from Blicks. They have improved the formula that they inherited from the Art Store take over.....just my thoughts.

dutch_hedgehog
02-01-2008, 02:42 PM
I guess the olive trees you mention are the ones done by GrahamH.


Yes Lawrence, you're right there. My mistake.
I should have been warned by the difference in style :o.

Bostonartist - I don't see any canvas shine through in your detail pic. I'm wondering how you managed to do that. It's one of the problems I have. I still do not understand how I can keep the brush strokes clean and separated and in the mean time get all of the canvas covered.

GrahamH
02-01-2008, 06:45 PM
When I compare the original olive trees with your version, it seems to me that your technique is different from Vincent's. But that did not stop you from having quite a "Van Gogh"-like mood in your painting.


Thanks Hedgehog, I was trying to capture the feel of the painting more than the exact technique. I don't really have an exact tequnique yet, still playing with strokes.

bostonartist
02-01-2008, 06:53 PM
Bostonartist - I don't see any canvas shine through in your detail pic. I'm wondering how you managed to do that. It's one of the problems I have. I still do not understand how I can keep the brush strokes clean and separated and in the mean time get all of the canvas covered.[/quote]

Its a problem I had when I started to copy his works...but we must understand that his consistency of paint was milled the exact way that he needed ,to acheive the thickness needed to paint impasto in the way he did, also remember this......he used a thick paint and he painted outdoors with the sun beating down on his canvas while he was painting, this differently help harded the oil paints he was using.
What I did to paint the Olive Grove was to use gamblin's oil paint which I like and then squeeze out the amount I will use, then let them sit there for 24 hours, this takes out some of the oil. The other method was to consistently clean you brushes. I truly believe one of major health problems that VG had was from cleaning his brush all the time with his mouth. With all the lead paint that was on his pallete, I believe this was a major cause of his health/mental issues. Thats why there is a myth that he ate paint...he really was cleaning his brush.
But if you paint the canvas as you would draw then the brushstrokes will come out...... I take each brushstroke as one at a time and after a hundred or so, you see progress. Plus the key is practice, practice and practice.
Hope this helps

bostonartist
02-02-2008, 03:33 PM
The Church at Auvers

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Feb-2008/87323-Church_at_Auvers_Sample.JPG

Started another one this morning. This will be "The Church at Auvers". When I first saw this in person at th Musee d' Orsay, I was amazed how much luster this had, before seeing it in person the accounts I read was that this was a gloomy depiction of the church, I found it the opposite.
I have started with a pencil drawing of the Church then used hair spray as a fixative. I will post the steps of the painting as I go though the process. My next step will be using a grey mixture of orange and cobalt to get the under painting of the Church walls...this is a very important key to the painting since Colbalt blue is the key color of the building and using the opposite complentary color of orange for the gray mixture will make the walls more vibrant.

kwg
02-03-2008, 02:21 AM
Here's my new one started, a twist on one of Vincent's chairs:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Feb-2008/124322-VanGoghChair3.jpg

dutch_hedgehog
02-03-2008, 03:59 AM
Bostonartist - How lucky I am that you choose this little church. It's one of my favorites. And........within a few weeks I will be in Paris and will be able to see it in real life (big smile on my face).

Karen - your sketch already was very promising. And I'm sure it will be great. I love the undertone peaking through.

kwg
02-03-2008, 11:17 AM
Thank you Dutch-- make sure when you go to Paris, that you also take a trip to Auvers (about an hour from Paris). It has the house where Vincent died in his bed from the infamous gunshot wound; the wheatfields, the church you are painting-- which really does look all distorted when you are there looking up at it! I had the pleasure of painting in the wheatfields. The church is in the far background of my painting. Also-- the Muse d'Orsay has lots of Vincent's paintings, and an incredible collection of impressionist work. But, you live so close-- I'm sure you know this already!! My dream is to go to Amsterdam to the van Gogh museum... :rolleyes:


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Feb-2008/124322-Hell.jpg

oil on canvas panel, 9x12"

bostonartist
02-05-2008, 02:31 PM
The Church at Auvers


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Feb-2008/87323-Church_at_Auvers_Sample.JPG


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Feb-2008/87323-002.JPG

Finished the underpainting, used ultramarine blue for the widows. The walls were painted with a mixture of cobalt blue and orange. This will offset the main color of cobalt blue on the walls. The roof was also done with a cobalt/qrange mixture with it very strong on the cobalt side. I will wait untill this section is dry, so I can acheive the stucco effect of the walls. The path was done in pink (white/vermillon mixture),this was also done in the orginial, but though time the pink has faded to white.

bostonartist
02-05-2008, 02:45 PM
Bostonartist - How lucky I am that you choose this little church. It's one of my favorites. And........within a few weeks I will be in Paris and will be able to see it in real life (big smile on my face).

Karen - your sketch already was very promising. And I'm sure it will be great. I love the undertone peaking through.


Dutch - You are the lucky one.....going to Paris to the Muse d'Orsay ....I also was planning to go to Amsterdam this March to go to the VG Museum, but my wife cannot travel due to her pregancy. Have to wait until this Oct now.

Karen - You are so lucky to have painted at Auvers, I need to do that very soon...I have only visited there in the dead of winter.

Carey Griffel
02-05-2008, 04:12 PM
Boy, I wish I'd had time to comment all along last month...the work shown here (and added discussion) has been awesome--and I mean for *everyone*!

I have been doing some experiments, though nothing complete...mostly I've been doing a lot of reading and pondering.

Though I have several other books on Van Gogh, I recently purchased "Van Gogh the Complete Paintings" (by Walther and Metzger). There are complete collections online, of course, but there's nothing quite like having a book. :) Of course we all have to struggle with poor/different photos (well, except for you lucky folks who get to see the museums), and I've only seen a few Van Goghs in person...but I get the impression that this book has really tried to be faithful with the reproductions--though I think that it is trying to lean more towards how the paintings would have looked over a hundred years ago.

Many of Van Gogh's pigments were extremely fugitive. We have his lists of paints that his brother was to send him...I think 9 of 12 of the pigments (not counting the whites) in the longer list were fugitive to one degree or another! There are several accounts online that list yellow ocher as one of his pigments, but it's much more likely that the color now seen as yellow ocher is in fact just chrome yellow (which darkens considerably). It doesn't seem to me that he used any earth pigments at all (after his "dark period", anyway).

Someone mentioned the greenish tints to many of his skies...(was it you, dutch hedgehog?)...today I finally found some info I was searching for...he used a lot of prussian blue, which is a color that is generally lightfast nowadays, but back then it was somewhat suspect, *particularly mixed with a lot of white, it can turn a greyish green*. So! There you go. Makes a lot of sense.

I have been trying to reconcile something about the one painting I have really studied in person, this one:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Feb-2008/32203-z.jpg

...which is at the National Gallery (detail shots here (http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pimage?71119+0+0)).

According to what I remember, the photo here is about as accurate to the painting today as you can get.

But the photo in the book I have is very different indeed and shows some of the flowers pink and some of them blue! When I studied this painting in person, I assumed he was painting white flowers; there was no pink what so ever in clear evidence. (I knew very little about his palette selection then.) Of course I have no idea when the photo in the book was taken. But it seems fairly clear to me--poor photo or not--that the colors have *vastly* changed over time. It's entirely possible that some of the reds he was using have entirely faded today.

There are other differences in the photo vs the painting. In the photo, the greenish background is noticeably bluer and the tabletop is a subdued greyish color, not the bright greenish that it is in reality today. (Again perhaps it is the prussian blue that he used.)

Well, anyway, I *was* hoping that this book would be somewhat reliable. (Another painting, "Landscape at Twilight" (http://www3.vangoghmuseum.nl/vgm/index.jsp?page=3323&collection=1282&lang=en) is different, as well...though I do suspect that the yellows in the book are closer to what it would have been originally. That link, by the way, has an *awesome* zoomable function that allows you to see the brush strokes.) I still think it is--at least generally speaking. But it really makes me puzzle til my puzzler is sore in wondering what the originals *do* look like today...and what they looked like back then.

Unfortunately, supposition is all we have (even with the originals in front of us) and one guess may be as good as another. I just thought it was strange...when I got the book and was paging through it trying to find this picture of the roses, it's no wonder I passed it over a couple of times. I actually had to look it up on the museum site to make sure it was the painting that I remembered!

(Bostonart, thanks in particular for the info you've provided...and congrats about the coming baby. :) )

~!Carey

bostonartist
02-05-2008, 05:38 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Feb-2008/87323-Washington_DC2_153.JPG

Carey,
Its ironic that you chosed "Roses" to discuss. I was at the National Gallery this past September and took the posted picture and you are correct about the prussian blue he used it for this painting, he would use it alot when he ran out of cobalt blue because of the high expense of buying cobalt blue....same thing I do now!
Also I will be going to the National Gallery within the next 2 months to copy "Roses". The National Gallery has a great copyist program. After you pass their background check and have an personal interview you can copy the works that they own......the MFA/Boston has the same program which I use alot.
Love this thread.....hard to find people who liked minded in the painting process of Van Gogh.

wetbob
02-06-2008, 05:35 AM
BOstanartist thnx for your WIP. I like to know how it will end. Beautiful i guess.
Carey thnx for the info

bostonartist
02-06-2008, 07:44 AM
Thnx all for the compliments. The house on the mountain costed me a white tube of paint. He ll had to spent a lot of money on his tubes? I like all the paintings sended in. DH your painting is looking nice. Your sky is good and the colors fresh.

Bostonartist Your painting is an exact copy of the original. Very nice. Only the colors are a little bit darker in my van Gogh book then yours. Did you see the original? Well done. You mentioned that you know some colours he used, can u share some with us/or website (also the used brushes). I m especially looking for the fibrant green color he often uses.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Feb-2008/100299-zelfportret_van_gogh.jpg

http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/gogh/self/gogh.self-gauguin.jpg

In my book its more bluish then here on the photo. Maybe the painting is cleaned, because in my book you cant see his jacket, the signature is more clear and the face has mutch more depth then on this photo.


WetBob- In a earlier post you asked what VG used for the green in the portrait background. I am lucky enough to have this painting hanging only 20 minutesfrom me at The Fogg Art Museum at Harvard. I have studied this up close and this is what I believe he did to get the green.
He put a wash of chrome yellow on the canvas and then he used macachite green and chrome yellow for the green mixture. The yellow wash in the start gives the portrait a nice glow to it. Machachite green is hard to find at art stores, I get mine from a company called "Daniel Smith Original Oil Paint", besides that Machachite green is very close to emerald green on the color wheel...........hope this helps you.

Here is a photo of the painting at the Fogg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2008/87323-Harvard_-_August_3,_2007_064.JPG

dutch_hedgehog
02-08-2008, 12:07 PM
This is a very informative discussion about the colors used by Vincent. Where do you guys find al this stuff? Thanks for telling us.

Though I have several other books on Van Gogh, I recently purchased "Van Gogh the Complete Paintings" (by Walther and Metzger). There are complete collections online, of course, but there's nothing quite like having a book. :) Of course we all have to struggle with poor/different photos (well, except for you lucky folks who get to see the museums), and I've only seen a few Van Goghs in person...but I get the impression that this book has really tried to be faithful with the reproductions--though I think that it is trying to lean more towards how the paintings would have looked over a hundred years ago.
Hi Carey, I do have the same book. It is a must have when you are reading Vincents letters. I'm reading them and each letter has the JH- numbers added of each painting/drawing Vincent mentions in that particular letter. As the book has a list of all these numbers, it's possible to find a picture of the exact paintings.

I'm not so sure about the colors in the book though.
I also have Vincent van Gogh - The drawings, catalog from a recent exhibition published by the Metropolitan. This book has pictures of some paintings that look quite realistic to me. The difference with the book from Walther and Metzger is quit big.
I can show you what I mean, because I took photo's with the pictures of the paintings side by side in one shot. That way I still have the errors of my own camera (I always feel that my photo's are too blue) but the difference between the prints of the paintings is very well shown.

First example, the first photo is from the catalog from the metropolitan :
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2008/98216-IMG_5897a1.JPG

The second from Walther and Metzger :

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2008/98216-IMG_5897a2.JPG

And here is an other example.
Again the first is from the catalog from the Metropolitan :

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2008/98216-IMG_5899a1.JPG

And the second from Walther and Metzger:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2008/98216-IMG_5899a2.JPG

Maybe in the first example the painting has been cleaned between the two photo's.
The second can not be explained that way, I guess. Overall (and not to be seen in these examples) the book of Walther and Metzger give me the feeling that all the reds and oranges are too strong. Well maybe all colors are too strong. Did they manipulate the photo's digitaly or is their printing proces less precise? I don't know.
But I have difficulty to believe that the fading of the colors of the original is the cause. (This fading exists, I'm sure of that). Because then the book must have been based on very very old color photo's. And than the photo's would probably be very inaccurate because the technique of printing colors wasn't that great long ago.

Thinking about these things makes me very curious. Is there somebody out there who knows more about all this?
Both books give no information on the date the pictures were taken, but I think that the pictures in the catalog of the Metropolitan are very recent, because they also show very faded drawings. The catalog itself is from 2005.

bostonartist
02-08-2008, 04:37 PM
This is a very informative discussion about the colors used by Vincent. Where do you guys find al this stuff? Thanks for telling us.


Hi Carey, I do have the same book. It is a must have when you are reading Vincents letters. I'm reading them and each letter has the JH- numbers added of each painting/drawing Vincent mentions in that particular letter. As the book has a list of all these numbers, it's possible to find a picture of the exact paintings.

I'm not so sure about the colors in the book though.
I also have Vincent van Gogh - The drawings, catalog from a recent exhibition published by the Metropolitan. This book has pictures of some paintings that look quite realistic to me. The difference with the book from Walther and Metzger is quit big.
I can show you what I mean, because I took photo's with the pictures of the paintings side by side in one shot. That way I still have the errors of my own camera (I always feel that my photo's are too blue) but the difference between the prints of the paintings is very well shown.

First example, the first photo is from the catalog from the metropolitan :
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2008/98216-IMG_5897a1.JPG

The second from Walther and Metzger :

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2008/98216-IMG_5897a2.JPG

And here is an other example.
Again the first is from the catalog from the Metropolitan :

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2008/98216-IMG_5899a1.JPG

And the second from Walther and Metzger:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2008/98216-IMG_5899a2.JPG

Maybe in the first example the painting has been cleaned between the two photo's.
The second can not be explained that way, I guess. Overall (and not to be seen in these examples) the book of Walther and Metzger give me the feeling that all the reds and oranges are too strong. Well maybe all colors are too strong. Did they manipulate the photo's digitaly or is their printing proces less precise? I don't know.
But I have difficulty to believe that the fading of the colors of the original is the cause. (This fading exists, I'm sure of that). Because then the book must have been based on very very old color photo's. And than the photo's would probably be very inaccurate because the technique of printing colors wasn't that great long ago.

Thinking about these things makes me very curious. Is there somebody out there who knows more about all this?
Both books give no information on the date the pictures were taken, but I think that the pictures in the catalog of the Metropolitan are very recent, because they also show very faded drawings. The catalog itself is from 2005.

Hi Hedgehog,

Thats a good question about the paintings. The first set of "Arles from the Wheatfield" is hanging at the Rodin Museum in Paris, I saw it a few years ago and it looked like the second painting with the yellows and ochre colors are still bright, I have seen the image of the first one before and I too always wondered why the published the painting washout like that.....I think its just bad photography and inexperience on Van Gogh.
The second set of paintings are really 2 different paintings.
One hangs in the Pushkin Museum in Moscow and the other hangs in Armsterdam. VG would copy his own paintings alot, ether to give away to friends or to try different color combinations. I.E. his "Sunflowers" and his "Bedroom".

dutch_hedgehog
02-08-2008, 06:41 PM
The first set ... looked like the second painting with the yellows and ochre colors are still bright, I have seen the image of the first one before and I too always wondered why the published the painting washout like that.....I think its just bad photography and inexperience on Van Gogh.

I might be able to check that with my own eyes. If so, then I'll let you now.

The second set of paintings are really 2 different paintings.
One hangs in the Pushkin Museum in Moscow and the other hangs in Armsterdam. VG would copy his own paintings alot, ether to give away to friends or to try different color combinations. I.E. his "Sunflowers" and his "Bedroom".
I studied both photo's. They both are indicated as JH1453 . And they have exactly the same brushstrokes and paint ridges, so they are definitely the same painting.
It's the one in the Pushkin museum. Do we have a russian friend among us who can have a look :D ?

The second one you're talking about, could that be this one http://www.vggallery.com/painting/f_0415.jpg ?
I can not find an exact copy of the seascape from the Pushkin.

"Arles from the Wheatfield" from the book of Walther and Metzger looks like the version on the CD-ROM 'Vincent van Gogh - The Complete Works' (and the version on www.vggallery.com (http://www.vggallery.com) (look here to see this version (http://www.vggallery.com/painting/f_0545.jpg)). (CR-ROM and vggallery show the same photo's as far as I can see)

"Seascape from Saintes-Maries" on www.vggallery.com (look here (http://www.vggallery.com/painting/f_0417.jpg)) and CD-ROM looks different from both books.

LGHumphrey
02-10-2008, 01:17 PM
dutch, if you read Vincent's letters from

http://webexhibits.org/vangogh/

you will find clickable thumbnails of the paintings he mentions right there beside the text.

It also has a very useful "search" facility.

You'll find the calendar of all his letters at the bottom right of the homepage.

The seascape is mentioned in his letter of 3 Sept. 1888.

LGHumphrey
02-10-2008, 01:23 PM
I see that vggallery features M. and Mme. Trabuc for February, and gives a lot of details about them.

Can you imagine, the original paintings were presented to the Trabucs and were lost! The ones we know were copies that Vincent painted to send to Theo. If I lived in Saint Remy I would search my attic, the originals may still exist somewhere.

LGHumphrey
02-10-2008, 01:29 PM
oops, forget about 3 Sept., that picture is already mentioned in his letter of 4 June, 1888.

LGHumphrey
02-10-2008, 01:57 PM
Here's a copy after Vincent when he was way back in his "potato eater" phase.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Feb-2008/60616-P1010421.JPG

dutch_hedgehog
02-10-2008, 04:26 PM
dutch, if you read Vincent's letters from

http://webexhibits.org/vangogh/

you will find clickable thumbnails of the paintings he mentions right there beside the text.

It also has a very useful "search" facility.



Thanks Larence, this is a very nice site indeed.
I preferred to read the dutch letters in dutch, that's why I went to the library. I would have read the french one's in french as well if my french was not as basic as it is.

BTW, I like your peasant woman better than Vincent's. I'm not that fond of the dark colors he used in his early work.

LGHumphrey
02-11-2008, 04:44 PM
I think his letters to Theo were written in French.

dutch_hedgehog
02-11-2008, 05:17 PM
Vincent wrote letters in dutch, english and french.
He used to write in english when he wrote a postcard home, to prevent the neighbours and the postman from reading it.
From 1886 onwards he wrote merely in french.

ujwala
02-12-2008, 11:39 AM
I havent participated in a MOM for a while now. Couldnt resist when I saw that the artist for Jan/Feb is Vincent Van Gogh. He is one of my favourites and I missed participating the last time.

I've been browsing through this thread over the past two weeks and enjoying the discussion and work that has been posted. Spent the morning looking through the Walther and Metzger book and short listed two paintings to try out. One to copy (self portrait without a beard) and one more to use as a basis for style.

I hope I'm not breaking the rules by posting this one (digital). It has been made using Art Rage. I had used complimentary colour strokes on the flag in the b/g but decided against posting it as it might be considered disrespectful. This is from the stage before. The strokes used here were meant to be similar to his earlier paintings. I'll be back with one of the other two before the end of the month.

The portrait is of Sheikh Mujibur Rehman also known as Bongobondhu, the first Prime Minister of Bangladesh.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Feb-2008/43741-2260875450_e6df09aac8.jpg

LGHumphrey
02-12-2008, 02:28 PM
Hi ujwala, I think he was a brave man. Alas, assassinated with his whole family in 1975.

This is my copy of "Madame Ginoux" (Marie Julien), wife of Joseph-Michel Ginoux, whom I posted in #89. They ran the Station Bar, just around the corner from where Vincent lived, and were faithful friends to him.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Feb-2008/60616-P1010422.JPG

ujwala
02-12-2008, 10:20 PM
Sadly, that has been the fate of many leaders in our part of the world. M K Gandhi, Indira and Rajeev Gandhi and more recently Benazir Bhutto come to mind immediately. A heavy price to pay.

Thanks to you, Lawrence, I have learnt that this Madame Ginoux painting was based on Gaugin's drawing of her. Very nice reproduction.

I have two attempts at making one of VG's self portrait from earlier and a sketch of him at 13.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Feb-2008/43741-60469692_dd107755dd.jpg


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Feb-2008/43741-60467996_c69433b716.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Feb-2008/43741-233714823_db4852ee8d.jpg

GrahamH
02-13-2008, 12:03 AM
I think I'm loosing this one.
I tried staying loose and using my filbert like a rake, :lol:
but....
Any idea's , ......anyone?

First the origonal
Van Gogh - Red Poppies & Daisies - Auvers-sur-Oise, June 1890,
followed by my rendition - not finished.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Feb-2008/80798-f_0280.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Feb-2008/80798-12Feb2008_-_400_x_500.JPG

ujwala
02-13-2008, 01:14 AM
Graham : I'm pretty much a beginner so I hope you dont mind me jumping in. Your version of the Red Poppies and Daisies looks wonderful. Maybe a tad brighter? Van Gogh seems to have scumbled a shade similar to yellow naples or an off white mix with a dry brush all over - for the highlights ( flower, vase ) as well as the background. That seems to have subdued the colours? Maybe he added it after it had dried? Just a thought. It is looking great as it is.

bostonartist
02-13-2008, 09:24 AM
Hi Everyone,

Some great posts going on here...really enjoy whats going on here.

Ujwala - I Love your portraits. Using complimentary colors on your Bongobondhu portrait was well done and your Van Gogh portraits are very well done, you got the eyes and nose just right.

LGHumphrey - Your Madame Ginoux is right on. This was a favorite subject of VG during the winter months when he could not paint outside.

GrahamH - Thats a good still life to start. Matise was very much influenced by this painting along with a few others he did during that summer.
Since you asked for ideals on your Poppy painting here is my take...I think Ujwala got it pretty much right....try to subdue your red colors a bit more...basically gray them done a tone. VG is widely known for his bright colors, but really his colors in the most part are grayed down, so when he does put a pure color down it really jumps out at you. Also the blue in the original flowers have a violet hue to them. And one more last thing do not over blend the roses petals. He would lay down a lighter tone of crimson down first and then a darker tone. This would only be a few brush stokes. remember he painted, just like he was drawing ....I hope this helps a little.

For myself I was not going to post this one,because the work was done in only 8 hours and not my best work. My brother and his co-worker stopped by this past weekend and saw that I was working on the Church at Auvers and his co-worker made me a "offer" I could not refuse. He too wanted the same painting but he needed it within 24 hours for a B-day present....so this is want I made up for him...less details that I wanted but I did finish within the time frame along the help of lots coffee....The one I am have been working on I will post when completed.

Talk to every one soon I hope.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Feb-2008/87323-011.jpg

ujwala
02-13-2008, 09:39 AM
bostonartist : your church at auvers is looking gorgeous. :clap: :clap: looking forward to the other one you're working on.

GrahamH
02-13-2008, 10:56 AM
THanks ujwala and bostonartist for your comments, that helps.
I will tone it down as you both said.
Did you mean add some complimentary colour to gray it down, or actual Gray?

bluedog123
02-13-2008, 11:04 AM
I was fortunate to have visited the Van Gogh museum in Amsterdam in May of 2000. It was so amazing and inspiring. Here is a painting I did of Van Gogh's "the Old Yew". I did this a while ago, and am going to attempt a Van Gogh portrait. Hopefully I can post it before the end of the month!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Feb-2008/131816-van_gogh_tree.JPG

bostonartist
02-13-2008, 12:33 PM
THanks ujwala and bostonartist for your comments, that helps.
I will tone it down as you both said.
Did you mean add some complimentary colour to gray it down, or actual Gray?

GrahamH - this is what I do when tring to figure out what VG used for his mixtures and usally it works out well. although he had a wide range of colors he used...around 18 - 20, not including the whites and blacks. his paintings were mostly done on a limited palette. I do not have very good copy of this one, but I believe he used crimson for the red, I do not see a orange tint in the red, so this would rule out vermillion. I could be wrong on this if I saw it up close. For the "graying" down the rose petals, I would experiment with a complimentary color that is already on the painting, as in the green or greying down with the black he used for the outlines on the green leaves trailing down in front of the vase.....I also want to say that I do not know if the oulines are done in black, which was part of his palette in 1890 or Prussian Blue which he would use quite often for his japonism style outlines, so also try the Prussian Blue.......this is one of the fun parts I enjoy, tring to figure out what he used. After studing his painting for some years I have found out that any mixtures in tints and hues that he used was also found in the same colors you see on his palette....basically what I am saying is that he would not use a orange to tone down a blue and then never use the orange again....it would usally show up somewhere and thats why I always look at the colors I see in his paintings and only use the one I see.......Hope this gives you some help and insight.

GrahamH
02-13-2008, 05:36 PM
Excellent !
Thanks bostonartist, you're a huge help.

GrahamH

elizabeth ours
02-13-2008, 07:18 PM
A bit of trivia here, but many of you might already know this: The song, "Starry Starry Night" is a tribute to Vincent VanGogh. Can hear song with art work on You Tube. Check it out, I think you'll like it.

Liz

ujwala
02-15-2008, 01:27 PM
bluedog : great job on the "yew". looking forward to seeing a portrait.

bostonartist : thank you for sharing. reading your posts has increased my understanding of his method of painting and his palette.

i'm thinking [eventually] of using one of my drawings to base a painting in the style of van gogh. need to practice and i had a go at my first pen & ink copy. This has been copied from his "Portrait of a Postman Joseph Roulin" I found I could not copy his exact strokes but I did try. I also copied it to a much smaller size 5" X 6" as opposed to his approx 10"X 12" and did not get the effect of the different sized nibs.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Feb-2008/43741-2266710779_eaba50bda7.jpg

kwg
02-15-2008, 04:47 PM
I love the work that everyone's doing!!! I've been busy with other projects, (not to mention no time for laundry) and NO time for van Gogh... :(

But I decided to abandon the iris chair and do a self-portrait in his style instead; which really is not really such a challange for me (give me Michelangelo and watch me freak out!!); as I tend toward painting like Vincent anyway.

I just cut my hair, and I thought this would make a cool painting.

Or is it just a tad too bizarre because now I sorta look like him, too? :)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Feb-2008/124322-ScaryKaren2.jpg

I'm not usually a "smiley" person.... Omygosh! What's happening to me? ;)

GrahamH
02-15-2008, 11:55 PM
Do I detect a cosmetically shortened ear in the photo, Karen?

kwg
02-16-2008, 01:23 AM
Do I detect a cosmetically shortened ear in the photo, Karen?

Darn! I thought the make-up hid that silly ole thing...

kwg
02-16-2008, 04:29 AM
Here's my progression of sketches for Vincent-style self-portraits shown below.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Feb-2008/124322-kwgSelf1_sketch_before.jpg
before hair-cut, looking younger than I am

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Feb-2008/124322-kwgSelf2_sketch_after.jpg
After haircut

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Feb-2008/124322-kwgSelf3_ink.jpg
in the bedroom


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Feb-2008/124322-kwgSelf4_conte.jpg
in the studio...

based on four of his lesser-known self-portraits, all painted in very different styles than we are used to seeing:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Feb-2008/124322-Vincent_1.jpg
Painted in 1886, while in very bad physical shape (starved himself to buy materials, was undergoing treatment for syphilis, and had just had 10 teeth extracted)-- he grew the mustache as a camouflage. This painting was discovered in 1952 in the cells of the Stedelijk Museum in Amsterdam, had been deposited there by Theo's son, Vincent.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Feb-2008/124322-Vincent_2.jpg

Also painted in 1886, wearing the same suit but with much darker tonality.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Feb-2008/124322-Vincent_3.jpg

Titled "Etude a la Bougie" ("Self-Portrait by Candlelight"), the background is unusual in its orderly mosaic-structured stroked, and he left the bottom of the canvas largly unpainted with the addition of the samurai warrior. Vincent was preoccupied with this form of lighting, inspired by Monticelli. He even experimented by painting with candles stuck in his hat! Experts disagree about the authenticity of this painting.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Feb-2008/124322-Vincent_4.jpg
This is Vincent's last self-portrait, he painted as a gift for his mother, and to re-assure her about his health (ironically) he painted himself looking younger and clean-shaven, wearing a proper artist's smock (although I think it looks like a hospital gown), and it was painted while at St. Remy Asylum in September 1989.

All photos and info are from the book, "Vincent, A Complete Portrait" by Bernard Denvir, which features all van Gogh's self-portraits, and copyrighted material.

kwg
02-16-2008, 05:13 AM
I'm also fascinated by these two, for their sense of place; and I really like the "drawn" quality of this one, thought to have been painted at the Cafe Tambourin in the Boulevard Clichy (Toulouse-Lautrec did a portrait of Vincent there, too). Van Gogh staged an exhibition of Japanese prints at the famous cafe in 1887, which explains the Japanese figure in the background.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Feb-2008/124322-Vincent_5.jpg

This was painted in his bedroom at Arles, January 1889, after his release from the hospital and sent to Theo to prove how he was "looking better." He painted his reflection directly showing his right ear bandaged, in reality it was the left which was injured.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Feb-2008/124322-Vincent_6.jpg

Again from the book, "Vincent, A Complete Portrait" by Bernard Denvir, which features all van Gogh's self-portraits, and copyrighted material.

bluedog123
02-16-2008, 11:55 AM
I began my attempt at Van Gogh's Portrait of Madame Traubuc
The painting is so irridescent and the background looks like an opal stone. I, as you can see, have not been able to capture this rich warmth. I am going to let the paint dry and try again. Overall, mine just has a very cool tone. When I paint on it again, I am going to stay with orange and red in my skin mixture. Any suggestions on achieving this skin tone would be much appreciated.

Here is the original..Madame Traubuc
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Feb-2008/131816-gogh_mme-trabuc.jpg

Here is my first and second attempt..

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Feb-2008/131816-Mdm_T_1.JPG

working some more...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Feb-2008/131816-Mdm_T_2.JPG

ujwala
02-16-2008, 12:43 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Feb-2008/124322-Vincent_4.jpg


Karen: This one was on my shortlist too and I had a go tonight. Hadnt found a reference to it online and was happy to find it in your post. I hope you dont mind me using it to compare with mine :D

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Feb-2008/43741-P1020118.jpg

28cm X 38cm oil pastels on dark brown paper.

I've been working on this in the bedroom with a couple of 60watt lights and know that i'm going to get a shock in the morning hence the late night post :D now that they are similar sized in this post ( the ref in the book is pretty small ) i can see how i've shortened his face and i'm not even venturing into the problems with the colours. It is a bit smaller than the original. I've pushed the first few layers in so hard that i'm not able to add more strokes and in other areas you can see the background. will have a look again in the morning. :confused: comments and suggestions very welcome

LGHumphrey
02-16-2008, 01:44 PM
Great work from everyone. Only 2 more weeks, keep'em coming.

This is after Vincent's portrait of Postmaster Roulin's son.



http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Feb-2008/60616-P1010433.JPG


And tonight on TV they're showing "Lust for Life" with Kirk Douglas and Anthony Quinn, which I saw a lifetime ago. I'm going to record it--first time I'll have watched a film for ages.

wetbob
02-17-2008, 06:59 AM
Kwg the self portraits looks great. Now adding colours.
I like all the portraits youve sended. Thnx.
I hope you wont get mad seeing all those laundry. Well you ended up in the right thread for it. All the people on the paintings look depressed, like the man of LG-H. All the tributes look nice.
Ill pick up my brushes too.

ujwala
02-17-2008, 07:43 AM
Revised it a bit. Lined up the ref and my version side by side while posting to my blog and found in addition to the colours ( which i happily blamed on the 50 op's that i was using )
1. nose way too large
2. eyes too big
3. face shorter and wider

Need to check against a similar sized ref next time. And to try it out with oils as the medium is more forgiving.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Feb-2008/43741-P1020138.jpg

kwg
02-17-2008, 11:33 AM
ujwala: beautful rendition! Looking forward to seeing your oils!!
wetbob: what laundry? lol
humphrey: love all your work-- you are a machine! did you watch "Lust For Life"? It's one of my all-time favorite movies.
bluedog: looks like adding cad yellow and a touch of cad orange to the mixture you've started might get close. The bk colors look like you're going in the right direction. looking forward to seeing this progress!
bostonartist: thanks for sharing so much valuable info!!
carey: haven't seen you here in a while--- still doing a van Gogh?
Graham: are u doing another one? Love your work!!

LGHumphrey
02-17-2008, 01:48 PM
ujwala, very good, it has that real "Vincent" feel about it.

kwg, yes, saw "Lust For Life" and enjoyed it VERY much. I had forgotten how important Theo was in that film. Unlike many of these films, it really did stick to the facts. Was amused to see, stacked up against the wall of an art dealer, Cezanne's painting of the young man with the red waistcoat--the one that was stolen last week!!

dutch_hedgehog
02-17-2008, 04:03 PM
Haven't posted for a while, but I'm still working on my own 'van Gogh' :-)
I probably will finish it the first week of march. Then is my next painting session with my sister in law ( We're both working on a van Gogh).

Ujwala - your portrets of Vincent are very convinging
Your oil pastels give a great texture, what a brilliant idea. The second version of your portret looks great.

Lawrence - how are your poppies coming along? My advice is maybe a bit late. Toning down is certainly a good idea. And I would advice you not to make the outlines too fluent. Vincent's work shows egdy lines, if you inderstand what I mean, not to many perfect curves.
I specially notice that in de outlines of the hanging leaves on the right side.

bostonartist - If this is a quicky I'm really curious about the real thing :-). BTW I did send an email to the van Gogh museum and asked them about the differences in the photo's of the same painting, as they worked together with the Metropolitan. Can't wait to read their answer.

bluedog - love your treetrunc. Madame Trubac is a bit to cool in color. She looks alright but needs more yellow ocre or even orange, I would say.

karen - I'm sorry to hear you abandonned your chair project, I really liked it. But your selfportret looks promising as well.

Here is my progress

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Feb-2008/98216-mijn_vangogh07.jpg

An some detail shots (from the previous stage)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Feb-2008/98216-mijn_vangogh06_detail.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Feb-2008/98216-mijn_vangogh06_detail02.jpg

(I'm sorry for the difference in color, the detail shots are closest to the real painting. I just can't remeber how I adjusted the colors back then)

kwg
02-17-2008, 06:18 PM
Dutch-- I love your painting, especially the truer colors as shown in the detail pics. I took another look at the chair, and I do want to resume work on it, so it's back on the easel. I've been so busy, and I just (last night, all night) re-arranged my studio. I acquired 2 new pieces of furniture to accomodate my new BIG monitor!!!! Now I can paint from images on the screen and not go thru so much printer ink!!!


But now that I've clered some space (since I haven't put everyting back that I pulled out of there)-- I'm ready to tackle some decent Vincent-like attempts at new compositions.


Here's my messy (dining-room) studio before, with xmas garland still up in mid-Feb:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Feb-2008/124322-studio1.jpg

Here's with my new computer "station" I got last weekend at a Levitz Furniture store close-out sale. It's a store fixture, so very heavy-duty (and very heavy). I like how the two shelves pull out and there's a narrow, deep shelf which can hold my biggie art pads.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Feb-2008/124322-kwg_Studio1.jpg

Notice the table lamp and floor lamp-- they are daylight lamps currently on sale at Big Lots-- for $29 & $17 US.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Feb-2008/124322-100_9584.jpg

The table came from Levitz, too. It was an employee work table, it's waist high and I paid $31 for it. I found the tabouret on Craigslist awhile back. I think I paid $40 for it.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Feb-2008/124322-100_9585.jpg


Here's the color chart I made of my new oils, I am so excited about!!!! Got these on ebay, less than $2 per tube (W&N Artisan, H20 soluable).


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Feb-2008/124322-kwg_Studio7.jpg

Now if I can just keep all the stuff from piling up...

bostonartist
02-17-2008, 09:47 PM
Hi everyone,

I am really impressed by all the portraits going on here, so much talent.
I do not have the time to start a portrait, too much on my plate as it is. But some great things are going on.

Karen - Some good self portraits in VG style I love looking at others drawing in that style....p.s. do not worry about the laundry in the corner we all have the same. I usally tell myself that I am going to fire that maid one day :) and I love your studio....I am very jealous! And I like your color samples...I do the same myself and please finish the chair too, I started the Irises from seeing your chair.

ujwala - Thats one of my favorite self portraits from anyone, you are doing a very good job, please keep posting I enjoy your work.....true story- a few years back I am at the Musee d Orsay and myself and an older gentleman maybe in his 80's are looking at a VG self portrait together, it was the one with the swirling blue background and I turned to the older man to say something and there was tears coming down from his eyes. he was so moved from the painting.It was a very special moment for me because this man understood the anguish and pain that VG expressed in that painting, it was amazing for me.

Bluedog - ..Madame Traubuc is coming along , keep on working on it, its taking shape!

Dutch - Please keep us posted on the "rock Landscape" I am very much looking forward to the completion. And please let me know about the infor from the VG museum, I am very curious in what they say.

LGHumphrey - I watched the movie also on Friday night. First time I have seen it in 30 years.
Also I saw your thread on me in " how many are working artist"....it does seem I have had a life after a life ....trying to compact a full life in a half right now, funny how things work out in life.

Could not leave this thread with a picture....started the London Nat. Gallery verison of "14 Sunflowers".Its going to be B-day present for my daughter, only 1/4 done right now, will post when completed.


28 x 36 inches
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Feb-2008/87323-Sunflower_samples_004.JPG (http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Uploader/upload_image_save2.php#)

kwg
02-18-2008, 12:35 AM
Okay, Boston-- Here's what I just did with the chair. Felt like really letting go and just painting. The irises aren't nearly finished, but I'm kinda liking it overall.

LOVE your sunflowers!!!!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Feb-2008/124322-IrisChair4.jpg

kwg
02-18-2008, 01:00 PM
Here's my first attempt at a Vincent-style self-portrait, oil pastel on canvas board, 9x12"

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Feb-2008/124322-kwg_Vincent-styleOilPastel.jpg

LGHumphrey
02-18-2008, 02:32 PM
Karen, I'd like to do a quickstudy of you with a "potato eater" bonnet, OK? Great to see your studio advancing like that, really fabulous. Quote: "Now if I can just keep the stuff from piling up....." Dream on, girl, dream on. ha ha.

Dutch, sorry but I'm not the father of those poppies.

kwg
02-18-2008, 04:10 PM
Hey Humphrey-- here's the closest thing to a "bonnet" I own-- have at it!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Feb-2008/124322-kwg_in_Bonnet.jpg

Here's the pic I'm using for the current VG portrait:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Feb-2008/124322-kwg_for_VG_portrait.jpg

dutch_hedgehog
02-19-2008, 12:37 AM
Dutch, sorry but I'm not the father of those poppies.

Did I mix up people's names again ?
Sorry, for that Graham and Lawrence.
Can't figure out why I get mixed up, maybe it is the capital GH in both your names.
We should do more selfportrets, that would make it easier to remember than just a name :lol: :lol: :lol: .

Sometimes I meet people and a name pops up in me mind. 'That's a typical Peter', is my feeling for example. It can be very difficult for me to remember this man's real name in such cases :o.

dutch_hedgehog
02-19-2008, 12:47 AM
Karen,

what a nice studio you have. Love to see these photo's. You call it a dining room, but I hope you're not dining there as well, because you might start eating paint as some say Vincent did. :D

And I did notice the chair on your easel. I realy love that chair, it's original and very Van Gogh like.

LGHumphrey
02-19-2008, 09:35 AM
With Karen's kind permission I've done a portrait of her, trying to blend her hat with the bonnets that the women in Neunen wore back in the days when Vincent was there.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Feb-2008/60616-P1010592.JPG

kwg
02-19-2008, 09:40 AM
WOWIE-KAZOWIE!!! That is so cool, Hunphrey!!!! I feel very honored to be the subject of your talented hand... great job on that potatoe eater!

bostonartist
02-19-2008, 10:29 AM
Humphrey - Very good job! I am sure karen is very honored to be put down for prosperity..:)
The background really makes it glow...again very good job!!

kwg
02-19-2008, 10:34 AM
When I was in Paris in 2000 with my mother and my 2 gay uncles (loooooooog story-- did I mention I wound up in the hospital????); I shot these B&W pics. I had them output on to canvas, and intended to paint on top. My concept is to leave the "dark" part of the canvas as B&W and only paint the "color"; for example-- on this first one of the church-- I will paint a swirling van Gogh sky, flowers and grass in the foreground; but leave the stoney grey church alone emphasizing the stark contrast between the darkness and the light.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Feb-2008/124322-kwgChurchatAuvers.jpg

I painted in this wheatfield on my 2nd trip in 2002 (see earlier in this thread); I want to do this one the same way-- paint the sky, but leave the forboding fields in B&W.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Feb-2008/124322-kwgWheatfieldsatAuvers.jpg

Vincent's grave was covered in ivy and had only dead, dried up sunflower and iris stems strewn on top. I fell to my knees and sobbed. Behind me was a gigantic cypress tree that must have been planted at his death. I have never seen one so huge! The swirling orange undergrowth mingled with the healthier blue-green branches looked just like one of Vincent's many cypress paintings.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Feb-2008/124322-kwgVincentsGrave.jpg

And the saddest realization of all-- when I saw the date on Theo's grave right next to Vincent's (he died only six months after his brother)-- I knew in that instant that co-dependency at it's extreme can kill just as mental illnesses and addictions. Poor Theo could not live without Vincent! He desparetely needed to be needed, or else he needed no real reason to live.

*** IMHO, coupled with my neurotic fascination with the subject... ****

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Feb-2008/124322-kwgVincentandTheoSide-by-Side.jpg

dutch_hedgehog
02-19-2008, 03:33 PM
Lawrence (triple checked the name ;)) what a great idea and a beautifull result. What a suprisingly funny potatoe eater Karen is.

Karen, you have a very romantic idea about Theo's death. (Some simply say it was syphilis that killed him :p ).
I'm not sure if I can persuade my friend to go to Auvers, but when I see these photo's I know I want to see that beautiful church with my own eyes.

kwg
02-19-2008, 04:03 PM
Lawrence (triple checked the name ;)) what a great idea and a beautifull result. What a suprisingly funny potatoe eater Karen is.

Karen, you have a very romantic idea about Theo's death. (Some simply say it was syphilis that killed him :p ).
I'm not sure if I can persuade my friend to go to Auvers, but when I see these photo's I know I want to see that beautiful church with my own eyes.

Dutch-- I will go to Auvers with you anytime!!

bostonartist
02-19-2008, 04:09 PM
Great pictures Karen....the one of the Church at Auvers is really good, you got at great angle with that one.....by the way, you said you were going to print that picture on to a canvas....how do you go about doing that?....curious minds would like to know...thanks

kwg
02-19-2008, 04:39 PM
Great pictures Karen....the one of the Church at Auvers is really good, you got at great angle with that one.....by the way, you said you were going to print that picture on to a canvas....how do you go about doing that?....curious minds would like to know...thanks

I took those pics with a traditional camera (didn't have a digital in 2000), and took my prints to a service bureau with large format printers, and had them output to canvas. Then I sealed the canvas with a spray varnish so I could paint over it. I had several pictures output all at one time and cut them down to individual pieces, so they aren't huge approx. 9x12".

You can also get canvas to print out your images if you have a printer. I have a Cannon, and they make excellent prints. Get the canvas (it's actual canvas, not "canvas paper") at Fry's or someplace like that. It's expensive, but worth it. Just make sure to seal it with a damar varnish or some kind of fixative so the print won't smudge when you paint on toip of it.

Hope this helps!

bostonartist
02-19-2008, 05:17 PM
I took those pics with a traditional camera (didn't have a digital in 2000), and took my prints to a service bureau with large format printers, and had them output to canvas. Then I sealed the canvas with a spray varnish so I could paint over it. I had several pictures output all at one time and cut them down to individual pieces, so they aren't huge approx. 9x12".

You can also get canvas to print out your images if you have a printer. I have a Cannon, and they make excellent prints. Get the canvas (it's actual canvas, not "canvas paper") at Fry's or someplace like that. It's expensive, but worth it. Just make sure to seal it with a damar varnish or some kind of fixative so the print won't smudge when you paint on toip of it.

Hope this helps!

Thanks....I have seen the canvas at Blicks, you are right they are expensive, I think they were in the $40 range for a box. When I have some spare change I will try them out. I have a HP photosmart printer that does a ok job...right now I am so worried about the economy, usally the sales of artwork goes down the tubes when the public is skipping back on everything, like they are now

GrahamH
02-19-2008, 09:47 PM
Hey Karen,
If you go to Auvers with Dutch, can I use your studio while your away?
I'd have a real good time in there, I'm sure!

GrahamH
02-19-2008, 10:00 PM
Avery make an inkjet printable cotton on letter size that is not too expensive.
Avery Printable Cotton Fabric, White
Item Number 522210

kwg
02-19-2008, 11:21 PM
Hey Karen,
If you go to Auvers with Dutch, can I use your studio while your away?
I'd have a real good time in there, I'm sure!

You're so close -- I figured we'd all go to Auvers together!! Have a paint-out in the wheat fields...

dutch_hedgehog
02-20-2008, 12:47 AM
You're so close -- I figured we'd all go to Auvers together!! Have a paint-out in the wheat fields...

Sounds great. I'll be there. :lol:

wetbob
02-20-2008, 06:22 AM
Humprey what a beautiful painting of a beautiful woman. Lucky DH.
What a skills exposed.
Nice photos of the church KWG and others. Thnx for sharing

kwg
02-20-2008, 08:28 AM
Humprey what a beautiful painting of a beautiful woman. Lucky DH.
What a skills exposed.
Nice photos of the church KWG and others. Thnx for sharing

Thanks Wetbob... (said with obvious blush)... why don't you join us, too?

LGHumphrey
02-20-2008, 10:19 AM
Thanks wetbob. And as Karen says, jump on in, the water's fine.

Don't know if this next one looks anything like what van Gogh might have painted but anyone who cries a river over Vincent's grave deserves to have another portrait of her on this thread, I reckon, so here it is.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Feb-2008/60616-P1010594.JPG

kwg
02-20-2008, 06:31 PM
(QUOTE):
"Don't know if this next one looks anything like what van Gogh might have painted but anyone who cries a river over Vincent's grave deserves to have another portrait of her on this thread, I reckon, so here it is."

Oh my gosh, Humphrey-- I'm blown away, I'm speechless, and I'm going to cry!! (But not the same tears shed at Vincent's grave). You've really outdone yourself!! I thought the "kwg as Potato Eater" was fabulous, but this is really great. Never seen a portrait like this of myself, and again-- am quite honored.... So, is this one for sale?

bostonartist
02-20-2008, 06:55 PM
Humphrey - you differently get a A+ from me on the portrait....maybe Karens B-day is coming up soon, would be a very nice B-day present..hint hint. But very good job Humprey....the eyes are very alluring :)

kwg
02-20-2008, 07:43 PM
You're right Boston-- my birthday is next month... here's my rendition:

oil pastel on canvas board 9" x 12"

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Feb-2008/124322-kwg_VincentStyle.jpg

I think we ought to all do portrait trades, like I saw in another forum!! And what are we gonna do when the month is over... do I dare propose a Vincent thread for us vvg nuts??

bostonartist
02-20-2008, 08:00 PM
Karen - I thought your B-day was coming up :) you can sign me up for the portraits...in another month I will full blown into my Plein Air work and my VG reproductions will be on hold for awhile.....Fred

kwg
02-20-2008, 08:09 PM
Karen - I thought your B-day was coming up :) you can sign me up for the portraits...in another month I will full blown into my Plein Air work and my VG reproductions will be on hold for awhile.....Fred

How did you know...??? Just attach a pic of yourself, and if anyone else wants to-- we can trade with each other. Humphrey is painting like a machine-- I'm trying to get a pic from him, too. Maybe you can say who you identify with and/or look most like, of Vincent's many portraits.

Anyone else wanna play??????

GrahamH
02-21-2008, 10:38 AM
I think we ought to all do portrait trades, like I saw in another forum!! And what are we gonna do when the month is over... do I dare propose a Vincent thread for us vvg nuts??

That sounds a very interesting idea.
I would contribute to that.

Graham.

kwg
02-21-2008, 11:09 AM
That sounds a very interesting idea.
I would contribute to that.

Graham.

Ok, Graham-- since you painted me-- I will paint you (two times?)-- I just need a photo, and if you like-- give me a VVG portrait suggestion. Or you can leave it up to me. Either attach your mug, or if you prefer, send me a PM and I'll get started!

kwg
02-21-2008, 11:11 AM
Karen - I thought your B-day was coming up :) you can sign me up for the portraits...in another month I will full blown into my Plein Air work and my VG reproductions will be on hold for awhile.....Fred

Ditto for you, Fred!

LGHumphrey
02-21-2008, 03:01 PM
Quote from Karen: "So, is this one for sale?" Hey, you wouldn't want to spoil my Vincent-like record of never having sold a painting, would you? :)

Here's yet another by Lorenzo Máquina after Vincent.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Feb-2008/60616-P1010425.JPG

GrahamH
02-21-2008, 09:51 PM
Er....did I miss something????
I don't think it was me that painted you, Karen, unless
I did it in my sleep and don't know about it.

Graham.

GrahamH
02-22-2008, 12:49 AM
Thanks to bostonartist for his comments, and after taking the color towards the mid tones and highlighting just a few areas, it looks much improved.
Not quite there yet. A few hard lines to put in in the forground and the yellows need changing a bit.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Feb-2008/80798-22_Feb_2008.JPG

dutch_hedgehog
02-22-2008, 02:40 AM
Er....did I miss something????
I don't think it was me that painted you, Karen, unless
I did it in my sleep and don't know about it.

Graham.

:D ;)

LGHumphrey
02-22-2008, 12:30 PM
Here's this morning's effort, Christy--a young lady from another Forum--as Vincent's "La Mousmé."

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Feb-2008/60616-P1010605.JPG

bostonartist
02-22-2008, 06:49 PM
Grahram - Very good job on the Poppies....what a difference, you are on track!...excellent!

Humprey - You are a machine, love the colors on the "La Mousmé". You can tell how the Fauves were influenced by his paintings.

I am posting the "Fields" that I did today. 9 inches of snow today and needed to do something Spring. I cannot wait for the warmer weather to paint outdoors again. I also expermented by not using strecher bars, ran out and did not want to adventure out in the weather today. Took some prime cavas and streched it on a large drawing board....its was ok.

28 x 36inches
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Feb-2008/87323-The_Fields.jpg

kwg
02-23-2008, 08:54 AM
Grahram - LOVE your Poppies!! Bravo!!

Humprey - "La Mousmé is luscious!! You are amazing!!

Boston - Your field looks just like Vincent painted it!!


Here's my Iris Chair finished:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Feb-2008/124322-kwg_IrisChair.jpg

And WIP for self-portrait #2:

(Please excuse the angle-- had to shoot it that way to avoid glare; VERY wet and thick paint).

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Feb-2008/124322-kwg_VGportraitdark2.jpg


SO-- where's everyone's mug shots for the portrait trade? I'm getting sick of looking at mine...

kwg
02-23-2008, 12:26 PM
Started this one this morning:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Feb-2008/124322-kwgWheatfieldsandCrows.jpg
10" x 30", oil on canvas

bostonartist
02-23-2008, 02:31 PM
Karen...thats excellent! The brushstrokes and the overall flow of the painting is what VG was tring to capture,,,and you got it!..very good.
Question - VG, I believe used Red Ochre for the earth color of the road...What did you use....whatever it was it was a very good choice.

LGHumphrey
02-23-2008, 05:22 PM
Hey, I'm not the only machine around here, both boston and Karen are plowing ahead like a dose of the salts.

I liked Karen's suggesting that we continue with a van Gogh thread--my suggestion is......this one. They're not going to close us down on the 29th of Feb. and we could just keep going until the cows come home.

GrahamH
02-23-2008, 06:45 PM
Can they rename the thread....."Till the cows come home....."?

kwg
02-23-2008, 07:45 PM
Do cows even have a home?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Feb-2008/124322-kwg_VG_portraitsdark2.jpg

kwg
02-23-2008, 07:47 PM
Karen...thats excellent! The brushstrokes and the overall flow of the painting is what VG was tring to capture,,,and you got it!..very good.
Question - VG, I believe used Red Ochre for the earth color of the road...What did you use....whatever it was it was a very good choice.

Thanks, Fred. I'm trying less to make it an exact reproduction brush-stroke by brush-stroke, and rather just try to paint like a madman... it's "Indian Red" made by W&N, Artisan WS oils, just got a bunch a new tubes for a great deal on ebay..... yeeeeaaaah!!!!!!!

kwg
02-23-2008, 10:30 PM
Wheatfield With Crows finished:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Feb-2008/124322-kwg_Wheatfields_andCrows.jpg

(sorry about the glare), here's a detail:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Feb-2008/124322-kwg_Wheatfields_andCrows_detail.jpg

I have to paint a mural tomorrow.... I'd much rather do another VVG!!!!
But, whatever pays the bills, right? ;)

GrahamH
02-23-2008, 11:35 PM
OK, here's my mug shot for the portrait gallery!
Self portrait with bandage - 2008.
Who want's to do me? :D

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Feb-2008/80798-self_portrait_with_bandage_2008_-_640_x_480.JPG

kwg
02-24-2008, 12:17 PM
QUOTE:
"OK, here's my mug shot for the portrait gallery!
Self portrait with bandage - 2008.
Who want's to do me?"

VERY cool, Graham!! I'll give it a go...

kwg
02-24-2008, 01:07 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Feb-2008/124322-kwg_Graham_with_Bandaged_Ear.jpg

oil on canvas panel, 16" x 20"

Couldn't wait to get started... hey Humphrey, where's your mug? And Boston-- I have a great idea for yours. You know when Vincent was in his "monk" stage... ? Anyone else???

GrahamH
02-24-2008, 03:03 PM
Hey Karan,
O.M.G. !! You started already......
I don't have a moustache, just general unshaven appearance!

Question: Does that drawer with the paint tray slide under the desk to stop the paints drying up?

bluedog123
02-24-2008, 03:53 PM
I worked on Mdm G some more today. This may be it for this study. I think I warmed up the colors more, but the drawing is just wrong and I am quite frustrated with it. Even despite that, it was a useful exercise and I may try again. :)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Feb-2008/131816-vangogh2.JPG

Here are some details...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Feb-2008/131816-Vangogh3.JPG
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Feb-2008/131816-vangogh1.JPG

kwg
02-24-2008, 04:10 PM
The desk was an employee computer station at a furniture store that went out of business. It's really heavy duty (and REALLY heavy!), the shelf with my palette pulls out, the shelf above it is narrow and deep for large art pads, and in the cabinet also has a shelf that pulls out. I got very lucky-- paid $80 USD for it!! It has holes for the cords to run down and out the back for my monitor, (hiding behind bulletin board) which I have not hooked up yet... all part of my studio revamp.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Feb-2008/124322-new_desk1.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Feb-2008/124322-new_desk2.jpg

I didn't think you had a moustache... but I definitely need to make adjustments.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Feb-2008/124322-kwg_Graham_with_Bandaged_Ear1.jpg

kwg
02-24-2008, 04:14 PM
QUOTE: "I worked on Mdm G some more today. This may be it for this study. I think I warmed up the colors more, but the drawing is just wrong and I am quite frustrated with it. Even despite that, it was a useful exercise and I may try again. "

Bluedog-- I think it's lovely, I really like your colors, and I think the drawing is perfect! What is the ground you painted on? It looks like a very course material-- almost a burlap? Thank you for posting the close-ups!! Beautiful-- BRAVO!!

LGHumphrey
02-24-2008, 04:20 PM
boston, I like the way you get those strokes.

Karen, even though you weren't trying to match every brushstroke in the field, it looks VERY convincing.

bluedog, don't feel frustrated, you've done a good job there, and every bit of painting is a step in the right direction sez I.

Here's one I did recently of a friend as "Patience Escalier."

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Feb-2008/60616-P1010509.JPG

bluedog123
02-24-2008, 05:13 PM
KWG and LGHumphrey..Thanks for the comments and words of encouragement. I painted it on a little 8x10 canvas board. I either use those or the prestretched canvas. What do you use?

GrahamH
02-24-2008, 06:41 PM
Hey bluedog123,
Your Madam G look good to me.
I self criticize as well, don't we all?
I try and use a canvas the size Van Gogh painted on if I can, it gives me a better feel of how he was working and with what brushes he may have used.
Typically 36 inches x 27 inches, there abouts.

dutch_hedgehog
02-25-2008, 01:08 AM
Bluedog, your painting is good. The colorchanges you made are very effective and it looks Van Gogh like to me. The dress is lovely. It is true that the drawing of the face could be improved a little, but don't be to harsh on yourself. The overall painting is good.

On to the next painting, with all the knowledge you have gained :thumbsup:

LGHumphrey
02-25-2008, 01:00 PM
Well said, Dutch.

Bluedog, I buy a roll of canvas and every week cut off 7 pieces 30X40 cm--12X16 inches and that keeps me going for the week. I don't stretch them but do put on 3 coats of acrylic gesso. Not having stretchers, they don't take up too much room afterwards, and don't cost much.

I like Graham's idea of using the same size canvas as Vincent did but I paint smaller in order to be able to do one every day.

Graham, is that what Vincent used to call "size 30"?

bostonartist
02-25-2008, 02:07 PM
Hi everyone,

Karen - nice going on Graham's portrait...make sure you get that anguish and pain that VG displayed, nice going Graham on getting that look on your face. or maybe its the look that you actually own one of those hats Vincent owned.....just kidding :D Also, thanks for the tip in Indian red, I will try that next, the red ochre always are on the transparent side which I do not like.

Graham - I too try to use his original size when ever I can for the same reasons. The main reason is to train myself to paint faster. I mostly paint Plein Aire and the size 30 (28x36) that VG used is a difficult size to master, thats why most plein aire artist paint in the small size canvas's. So they could finish a painting in one seating. VG trained himself to paint faster so he could capture the lighting and the scene in one day in such a large canvas. Thats why it was said he attacked his canvas, but he knew he had too if he wanted to finish most of it that day. I was reading a letter over the weekend that was a personal recollection from the man who was the "Zouave" in the famous portrait the "Zouave". He was a young man on leave from the sevice for 2 months and thats when VG painted him. He also was a amateur painter and would take lessons from VG. but the recollection was very interesting because he was one of the very few who actually observed VG paint and wrote about it or told a reporter...I paraphase what he said but it was this...."while most artist made love to their painting, VG would rape it: This style was all due to the speed he needed to achieve to paint on the size canvas he painted on.....just some thoughts from me.

Blue dog - We all get frustrated, but its all for the good. Keep them coming I like the work!


I will get a portrait there soon.... working on otherthings right now, gotta keep the cash flow coming in. Here is a commisson I just finished.

The Road with Cypresses

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Feb-2008/87323-Snowy_day_018.JPG (http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Uploader/upload_image_save2.php#)

kwg
02-25-2008, 07:44 PM
QUOTE:
"I will get a portrait there soon.... working on otherthings right now, gotta keep the cash flow coming in. Here is a commisson I just finished.

The Road with Cypresses"

WOW! Bostonartist-- GREAT job!!! Are you sure you're not channeling the Master? So-- someone commissioned you to do this painting?? Very cool, I'd like to hear more...

bostonartist
02-25-2008, 08:31 PM
Hi Karen - This is how I keep the cash flow going, doing VG reproductions this winter. I usally paint in the winters in the Philippines doing Plein Aire paintings, but could not this year because of my wife being pregnant. I gave my brother 3 VG reproductions this xmas and when he had a company xmas party at his home, his clients and co-workers liked what they saw and asked if I could do some more.....so I received 10 commissions :thumbsup: In the process I also decided to build my own website about VG (half way there) The site will sell my reproduction work on VG and also will explain the technical and color theory of VG....if you look on the web right now there is nothing really about these aspects of his work, you basically get information about his life, not his work. I am hoping that it give me some more work besides the Plein Aire work. Thats why I was happy to find others who admire VG as I do on WC.

kwg
02-25-2008, 08:49 PM
Here is the progress on my "Graham With Bandaged Ear" portrait. I can already see where I need to make adjustments with the shoulders, neck is too long, blue shirt collar all wrong... but I'm having fun!!

I usually work the entire canvas, but this time I seem to be concentrating on one area; so we'll see how this goes. I feel like the more I do these VVG-style paintings, the better handle I have on it, and I'm getting braver with each subsequent attempt.

I'm using ALOT of paint now; and rather than laying down each separate brush stroke, I'm painting wet into wet and actually doing more color "mixing" on the canvas than on my palette.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Feb-2008/124322-kwg_Graham_with_Bandaged_Ear2.jpg

Carey Griffel
02-25-2008, 11:33 PM
Wow--

You guys totally rock! This thread is a pure joy to browse through...wish I wasn't in the midst of moving so I could spend more time commenting and asking a few questions, maybe once I get a bit settled...



A note: I will go ahead and leave this thread stickied into the next month; I will be sans internet for a time and don't know when I'll get the connection again (hopefully sooner rather than later). So my apologies for not getting a new MOM started as I should--but you guys are having so much fun that maybe it doesn't matter if this one goes on a little while longer. :D

I'll see all of you as soon as I can!

:)

~!Carey

dutch_hedgehog
02-25-2008, 11:54 PM
Bostonartist, that's a really beautiful cypres you painted there.

I was wondering how you sign these commissions.
I put my name on copies and a text referring to the original paiting and artist. Even though they didn't leave the house and I don't really expect them to.
Just curious what your approach is.

And I'm certainly looking forward to your site.
This weekend I bought the original edition of 'Vincent van Gogh, letters to his brother' from 1914. It was published by his sister in law Jo Van Gogh - Bonger and contains nearly all his letters to Theo with photo's of the sketches he made in those letters. Now I have to study my french, because these letters are published the way Vincent wrote them (except for some minor changes in the text because the family thought it to painfull/not right to pubish).

Carey, I'd love it if the thread will go one a little bit longer.
(I might get more audiance for my own little "Van Gogh" when finished in the first half of march :evil: ;) )

GrahamH
02-25-2008, 11:59 PM
Graham, is that what Vincent used to call "size 30"?

I think boston answered that one, I wasn't aware of the size 30, just that a lot of his stuff was 36 x 28. I use that size in the studio, I don't think I would do a plenair with that size.

kwg
02-26-2008, 01:24 AM
Here's my portrait of "Graham With Bandaged Ear" getting close.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Feb-2008/124322-kwg_Graham_withBandaged_Ear3.jpg

kwg
02-26-2008, 01:27 AM
Carey-- Thanks for letting us VVG nuts keep on keeping on.... I've painted more "just for me" in the past 2 months than I have in years! And it's very rewarding to work with oils in a free, playful manner; unlike the portraits of kids I struggled over back in November.

Anyway-- good luck with your move, and hurry back!

GrahamH
02-26-2008, 09:16 AM
I think we should vote Karen "Artist of the month" for the amount & quality of work she has put into this months thread.

kwg
02-26-2008, 12:31 PM
I think we should vote Karen "Artist of the month" for the amount & quality of work she has put into this months thread.

Thank you :o but I think Humphrey has outdone himself. The man is a machine!

Here's the pic I'm submitting as requested by Graham for our VVG portrait trade...


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Feb-2008/124322-vanGogh_4kwg_portrait.jpg

This is one of my favorite of all Vincent's self-portraits, he looks confident, and maybe even happy? Eager to paint, at least.

I did a colored pencil rendition a few years ago:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Feb-2008/124322-Vincent_in_Colored_Pencil.jpg

And here's my mug:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Feb-2008/124322-kwg_mug.jpg

GrahamH
02-26-2008, 12:44 PM
.....I buy a roll of canvas and every week cut off 7 pieces 30X40 cm--12X16 inches and that keeps me going for the week. I don't stretch them but do put on 3 coats of acrylic gesso. Not having stretchers, they don't take up too much room afterwards, and don't cost much.

Humphrey. I've never tried canvas without stretchers. How do you mount it to paint, without it moving all over the place?

Graham.

kwg
02-26-2008, 03:34 PM
But if you're looking for a "VVG Lunatic" I would be the top contender...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Feb-2008/124322-kwg_VVGbooks.jpg

My collection of VVGT books

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Feb-2008/124322-Bipolar_Balance_-_Ode_to_van_Gogh.jpg
"Bipolar Balance; An Ode To Van Gogh" 48" x 48" canvas

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Feb-2008/124322-Birds_Dancing_With_Hale_Bopp.jpg
"Birds Dancing With Hale Bopp" 48" x 48" canvas

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Feb-2008/124322-Vincents_Irises_in_Pencil.jpg
Colored Pencil Sketch after van Gogh painting at Seattle Art Museum, 9" x 12"


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Feb-2008/124322-Sad_van_Gogh.jpg
Colored Pencil Sketch after van Gogh painting at Seattle Art Museum, 9" x 12"

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Feb-2008/124322-VVG_Action_Figure.jpg
Action Figure

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Feb-2008/124322-VVG_shelf.jpg
Sunflowers and Starry Night Shelf

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Feb-2008/124322-VVG_Cereal_Bowl.jpg
Cereal Bowl

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Feb-2008/124322-VVG_Dish_Mug_Wine_Glass.jpg
Painted Starry Night Dishes

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Feb-2008/124322-VVG_Cereal_Bowl.jpg

Starry Night Cereal Bowl

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Feb-2008/124322-VVG_Water_Glass.jpg

Starry Night Water Glass

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Feb-2008/124322-VVG_Movie_Poster.jpg

Movie Poster "La Vie Passionnee de Vincent van Gogh" (in English, "Lust For Life")



http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Feb-2008/124322-VVG_Ear.jpg

Vincent's Ear

bostonartist
02-26-2008, 04:50 PM
Karen - You have been declared "CERTIFIED".......CERTIFIABLE VG Lunatic
I LOVE IT.....LOL.....:clap:

LGHumphrey
02-26-2008, 05:20 PM
Graham, easy as pie, I have it on my easel against a piece of MDF, and held in place with clamps at each corner.

Boston, great painting of "Cypresses," very similar indeed to the original, but shouldn't there be a little horse and cart in there?

Wonderful to hear that you've got these commissions.

bostonartist
02-26-2008, 05:57 PM
Quote - "but shouldn't there be a little horse and cart in there?

Humprey you are very observant...the couple (gay couple) who commissioned this wanted only wanted the two of them walking down the road.
Yes I got lucky on the commission, I was thinking of getting a side job when I got them, so I got lucky...I have 3 more to go..."Irises", "Irises with citron background" and "Blooming Almond Branch", they will take time to do, I started squaring up the "Irises" today.

Graham - I also do what Humprey does without using strechers. I just put the canvas against my drawing board and use push pins to hold it in place. I started practicing this so when my website goes on line I do not have to have a half a room of strecher stips laying around. At least thats the plan.

kwg
02-26-2008, 06:12 PM
Karen - You have been declared "CERTIFIED".......CERTIFIABLE VG Lunatic
I LOVE IT.....LOL.....:clap:

You have no idea... remind me to tell you about a certain trip to Paris with my mother and two gay uncles for twelve days in the year two-thousand... went for the starry nights, but instead I did the full van Gogh.

And I don't mean the Muse d'Orsay. :o

bostonartist
02-26-2008, 08:18 PM
You have no idea... remind me to tell you about a certain trip to Paris with my mother and two gay uncles for twelve days in the year two-thousand... went for the starry nights, but instead I did the full van Gogh.

And I don't mean the Muse d'Orsay. :o

Karen, Please tell me your story...it sounds like a good one

kwg
02-26-2008, 08:50 PM
Boston-- You'll have to wait 'til the book comes out!

GrahamH
02-26-2008, 09:44 PM
Oui Madame, disent le conte si vous svp.

LGHumphrey
02-27-2008, 12:21 PM
He who pays the piper calls the tune. Maybe they don't like horses.

Here's another one:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Feb-2008/60616-P1010427.JPG

kwg
02-27-2008, 04:23 PM
My "Graham With Bandaged Ear" is almost finished, but I can see where I've made the left side of his face too big, and the eyes aren't right. I appreciate all C&C before I put finishing touches on it-- especially from you, Graham!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Feb-2008/124322-kwg_Graham_withBandaged_Ear4.jpg

GrahamH
02-27-2008, 06:22 PM
I think you have done wonderful work Karen!
Vincent would be proud of you.
I will be starting yours this weekend, but I don't work as fast as you do.

bostonartist
02-28-2008, 01:57 PM
Hi everyone,

Just want to give out a tip that I discovered today. I have been doing some research on getting a thicker paint, like what VG used. For reproduction work I believe its very important to get as close as the orginial as possable. And with the modern mixed paints we have these days its been very frustrating to recreate the texture and brushstokes that VG had with the amount of oil used in mixing modern paints.. For example I did try out Old Holland paints which was recomended form another thread on WC. They are excellent paint and had the consistancy and pigment that I would want....but the price of $200 usd for a 225 mil tube was a bit too much...............so I went out and purchased a 4lb bag of marble dust (Calcium Carbonate), its cost was 9.99. I put the marble dust in an mason jar and then took a palette knife and took out some and mixed it with some of the paint I have ( W&N Artist grade) it did not take much but the consistency was perfect for what I was looking for. At first I thought I would lose some of the pigment intensity because the dust is white, but found out that when I mixed the marble dust with stand oil, it became
transluscent, which to me means that it will not alter the pigment color. But the main reason I mixed stand oil and the marble dust, was to create a paste. This way when I go out and do my Plein Aire painting I will have a easy way to thicken my oil paints without opening a jar of marble dust on a windy day. All I did for the paste was to mix the marble dust with stand oil and mix the ingredents with my palette knife and then transfered the mixture into an empty paint tube, crimped the end of the tube when it was filled and I am ready to use it any time .....thought this was important to tell everyone, since we all enjoy doing Vg style work.

Karen - The portrait is very good, do not worry about the eyes even VG got the eyes wrong on some of his works

Humphrey - Excellent portrait....looks like a "Senorita" you might admire:wink2:

LGHumphrey
02-28-2008, 03:32 PM
Good tip, boston, thanks.

kwg
02-28-2008, 03:48 PM
Very cool suggestion, Fred... do you think it will work with my WN water-soluable oils? I really like the consistency of these paints but would like to thicken up even more-- make them go farther... When doing the VVG work I only use oil-- no water in painting, just for cleanup.

Humphrey-- are you going to let me paint you???? I'd really like to trade and/or buy the portraits you did of me... interested?

BTW-- here's my 3rd in my series (in the acrylic thread (gasp!) for a self-portrait project there). Fits in with my "each one a different medium" component of my series.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Feb-2008/124322-kwgself_acrylic2.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Feb-2008/124322-Vincent_1.jpg

I love this portrait Vincent did-- it is so "academic" and not at all the typical van Gogh. I think most people wouldn't even think he painted it.

I really think we all ought to meet up in Amsterdam, or Auvers, or at the yellow house in Provance... :thumbsup: ?

bostonartist
02-28-2008, 04:02 PM
[quote=kwg]Very cool suggestion, Fred... do you think it will work with my WN water-soluable oils? I really like the consistency of these paints but would like to thicken up even more-- make them go farther... When doing the VVG work I only use oil-- no water in painting, just for cleanup.

Yes Karen, it will work water soluble oils, both water and oil. Also I just mix some marble dust in gesso for a canvas panel to get some grit and it works great, one of things I did not like about the canvas panels I have made in the past is that the canvas seems to get too smooth compared to canvas streched. I like my paints to have something to grap onto when I put them on down on canvas.

I like your portrait too.....you are right it a very academic....did'nt he paint that in Paris while studying.

kwg
02-28-2008, 04:36 PM
Yes, early in 1886... the painting was discovered in 1952 at the Stedelijk Museum in Amsterdam cellars by Vincent William van Gogh, Theo's son.

Vincent was in dire physical pain when he painted this-- having had 10 teeth extracted, undergoing treatment for syphillis, and was starving to afford to buy canvases. He grew the mustache as a form of camouflage to hide the lost teeth, causing him a "hissing" sound when he talked.

He wrote,

"I still have to suffer much, especially those pecularities that I cannot change... my appearance, my way of speaking, my clothes..."

The man did suffer much, and not just mentally. Mental and physical go hand in hand; and poor Vincent was handed a difficult lot in both departments of life. I'm reading two books now; called, "Van Gogh Blues," and Van Gogh's Women" in which both address the fact that being born exactly 1 year from his older brother Vincent-- who died, and being named after the dead infant-- he suffered what is called, "The Replacement Child" syndrome. His mother spent her subsequent years grieving for that lost child, which (according to psych. experts) Vincent (#2) never felt he could live up to his mother's ideal of the "perfect" child. Despite being named after him, Vincent could do nothing to help alleviate his mother's grief.... Interesting stuff.

wetbob
02-29-2008, 04:49 AM
Thnx BA for the tip,

Nice portrait of Graham and a beautiful selfstudy KWG,

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Feb-2008/100299-goghmountainhouse1.JPG

I am going to try to finish it today, any comments and advizes are welcome.

I enjoyed painting it

GrahamH
02-29-2008, 12:04 PM
My version of "Van Gogh - Red Poppies & Daisies - Auvers-sur-Oise June, 1890"
This one has been a marathon!
Thanks again to bostonartist for your help on this one.
Now.....on with Portrait of Karen - Vincent style.:)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Feb-2008/80798-Final_-_640_x_480_-__29_Feb_2008.JPG

bostonartist
02-29-2008, 02:01 PM
Graham, that came out very good....very good job! I am sure you can appreciate VG more once you try some of his work, just imagine he probably did that in one session. I am glad I could have helped.

LGHumphrey
03-01-2008, 03:08 PM
Graham, those colours are glorious.

Karen, lovely portrait.

GrahamH
03-01-2008, 07:58 PM
Thanks everyone for your kind words of encouragement.
Here is my progress so far with " Karen Van Gogh" :)

This is my first attempt at a portrait of any kind.
So please feel free to pass along the advice, thanks.

I did use an enlarged photo of Karen ( 16 x 20 ) that I
reproduced from the computer in 4 sections and pasted them together.
I then transfered the image across to the canvas with transfer paper.
However, I think I have the dimension too large on the width of the face.

This obviously would not work at a live sitting !!!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Mar-2008/80798-Karen_Van_Gogh_WIP.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Mar-2008/80798-karen_1.JPG

kwg
03-01-2008, 08:00 PM
WOWIEKAZOWIE, Graham!!! It looks great!!!! :clap:

bostonartist
03-01-2008, 10:11 PM
WOW! Graham, I love the size you are working on. I can see its really going to turn out very good....by the way, if someone was looking at our posted images, they would think they were in a stalker movie....with all the photographs on the walls...:D

GrahamH
03-02-2008, 11:50 AM
.... I am sure you can appreciate VG more once you try some of his work ......

Absolutly! It's like venturing into a new world. Another artist I know was critical of copying, she called it plagerism and it shouldn't be done.
"You should be working towards your own style not someone elses' ", she said.
I think she missed the point, and the awarness that you get when you see how the other artist did it, and why.

bostonartist
03-02-2008, 12:18 PM
Absolutly! It's like venturing into a new world. Another artist I know was critical of copying, she called it plagerism and it shouldn't be done.
"You should be working towards your own style not someone elses' ", she said.
I think she missed the point, and the awarness that you get when you see how the other artist did it, and why.

Thats alot of BS from that Artist.....you study all the masters and they all copied, thats how they got their style....For example you take a little from Rembrandt, a little from Millet, little from Monticelli, a pinch of Seurat ...mix it all together and presto! you get a Van Gogh!

nick-ynysmon-54
03-02-2008, 12:21 PM
some of these paintings especially the so called unfinished ones are fabulous. the borderline between nearly completed work and work designated completed seems very blurred to me. also, the attempts to copy Vincents work would do him justice himself. some very lovely works here. the irisies are especially beautiful. I am tempted whilst doing my present paintings to emulate what is here using my own subject matter, it needs a lot of thought though.
Nick

LGHumphrey
03-02-2008, 12:59 PM
C'mon Nick, we need all the help we can get.

GrahamH
03-02-2008, 05:54 PM
.........it needs a lot of thought though.
Nick

No ! Don't do it.
If you give too much thought you will loose the spontanious stuff. :)

nick-ynysmon-54
03-03-2008, 12:01 AM
time is my problem until this present work is near completion, I am waiting some alkyd medium coming, which will speed up my work in its early stages I hope, then I may attempt something like one of these, I need practice and confidence in this way of painting which is very lovely, but poles apart from my present methods. this is where preliminary thought comes in. I accept your sentiments though, I love Vincents work, not all of it, but most.

GrahamH
03-03-2008, 12:25 AM
Karen, I hope you like it.
I really enjoyed painting it in Van Gogh style (at least, the nearest I can get), and I have learnt a whole load.
Considering this is my first portrait, I'm pleased.
Still have the thumb in the palette to do, but the rest is done, I think?

The reason the thumb is not done is because I have rubbed it out twice. It looks like someone else is holding the palette, not you!! But I'll get there.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Mar-2008/80798-karen_van_gogh_studio.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Mar-2008/80798-karen_van_gogh_thumb_.JPG

dutch_hedgehog
03-03-2008, 12:26 AM
For example you take a little from Rembrandt, a little from Millet, little from Monticelli, a pinch of Seurat ...mix it all together and presto! you get a Van Gogh!
I don't agree with that Boston, specially not with Vincent. He had an very original approach. You missed the most important ingredient of all. Mix all you said together with quit a lot of Van Gogh and only then you will get a Van Gogh.

A'm glad you have been able to finish the poppies Graham, they are beautiful.

And al the portrets are great :thumbsup:.