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Donn
04-27-2008, 11:13 PM
Welcome to the world of PanPastels, Richard. You did a fantastic painting for your first try. Like your second attempt even more. Nice work.

Willemke, your strawberries look good enough to pick right out of the painting and eat! The reflections are really outstanding. Like your beach scene and the way the water shows around the girl's feet. Great observation and painting on your part.

I haven't done much with mine yet, been working on some Chinese brush paintings, but will be getting mine out before too long.

Have a good week, everyone.

Donn
04-27-2008, 11:17 PM
There may be a few newcomers before too long. I have talked about 5 of Kate Johnson's watercolor pencil alumni group into getting PanPastels and they are trying them out for the first time. I've referred them here, of course, so let's hope we see some new faces. I believe they are all members of Wet Canvas.

PeggyB
04-28-2008, 12:35 AM
Willemke I especially like your strawberries - yummy! - and you've painted the silver pitcher very well too. the beach scene is charming, but the berries are my favorite.

Donna - oh my, what a challenge! I'm watching with interest Shirley's progress on this one. She has a good start.

Peggy

Donna A
04-28-2008, 01:42 PM
Hi, Donn! That's great that you are sharing your enjoyment of Pan Pastels with the watercolor pencil artists and others! I love the way these PanP's play with watercolor and a lot of other mediums! Will look forward to having them join us on our adventures! And look forward to your new works, when you have a chance!

Hi, Peggy! :) Yes---that still life has been a huge challenge, I think! :eek: None of the Monday artists wanted to take it on! :rolleyes: But WOW---6 of the Wednesday gang did and a couple of the Thursday artists---and I was just amazed at what a great job they did! AND :evil: I just have had the best time lettin' the Monday folks know what 'wimps' there were. :evil: And Rick just now arrived for class. He always comes early. Just told him I'm going to be taking this set up down right now and that I'm going to ask the artists Wed/Thurs if they will bring their paintings of this and let me show Rick the next week since he'd really like to see them since these are from members of his family. Only 2 or 3 of the paintings are Pan Pastels, and the others are stick pastels. But think everyone learned a LOT from doing this---and it did present some very big challenges in a number of ways! :D

And Willemke, anyone who has tried painting silver will appreciate EVEN more how wonderful your piece is with the strawberries! :clap: Take good care, all! Donna ;-}

Rusla
04-28-2008, 11:28 PM
Hi Richard, welcome to the land of Pans. Terrific pictures!

Now everyone, I like Willie, have been busy getting ready for the same show. I have not done any pans for awhile. I am finishing an acrylic right now, first one ever.

Before I take the pictures to the show I will post the pastels which I have finished and befoe they head to the show.

Willie: Your strawberries came out great and your girl picture was definitely brighter and more vivid today.


Randi-Lee

artinwc
04-29-2008, 09:14 AM
Hi Everyone,

I, like Willemke and Randi-Lee, have been gone for several days. First I had a watercolor workshop that I was helping with. Then I had a big outdoor show I got juried into, which was this past weekend. All of that was in watercolor and I'm feeling PanPastel-deprived! I hope to get back to them this week.

Love your strawberries, Willemke...and Richard, welcome! I like both your paintings, and like Peggy, I like the 2nd one best.

Gotta go now. I hope to get back later today and write more. I've missed you all a bunch!!!!!:wave:

Judith

Willemke
04-29-2008, 06:27 PM
Donna, Donn, Peggy, Randi-lee, and Judith..... Your comments are always so much aprreciated, thankyou sooo much. I had to redo the beach scene a bit, and it turned out a little better, I got heck from my Art instructor about the beach scene, she asked me where my composition was? I said What? :confused: . She told me that the girl with the umbrella should not be in the middle and to move her to the side a bit, I told her this wasn't possible because the painting was already cropped and I had the frame picked out ( I guess i'm not to smart :D ), also the photographer that took the picture (who by the way is a professional) took the picture that way. Oh well I learned something that day in Art Class, I won't do that again!
Judith... Welcome back, I hope you get better soon.
Donna.... I like what Shirley has done so far with her painting.
Randi-lee.... see you at the Art Show.

Tressa
04-29-2008, 07:10 PM
Hi Donna! and to all the other panpeople!!
X-posting in the Gallery, but thought I would put this in here also...
A Landscape start with the pans on midnight blue suede matboard. Clouds are a different mix of blues/very pale blues/pinks...Tres
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Apr-2008/76189-PICT0007.JPG

Willemke
04-29-2008, 09:42 PM
Tressa...... Very beautifully done, love those clouds!

Tressa
04-30-2008, 07:01 AM
Thanks, not sure where I'm going now, will work on this today.
Tres

Rusla
04-30-2008, 12:45 PM
Tressa, I am loving your clouds they look so real.

Tressa
04-30-2008, 03:37 PM
Thanks Rusla.

Here is finish...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Apr-2008/76189-PICT0017-1.JPG
The sky was out of my head, then, having no idea what to do with the land, I went to some photos, and from three, this is what I came up with.
After posting, and seeing, I might lose the trees on the far hill.

Tressa
04-30-2008, 04:10 PM
faded the hill trees, and tapped down the midground ones, is better I think.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Apr-2008/76189-PICT0023.JPG

Tressa
04-30-2008, 05:14 PM
Took the back trees out...Tres
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Apr-2008/76189-PICT0003.JPG

Donna A
04-30-2008, 09:24 PM
Wow, Tressa! Very evocative! Just lovely! Your beginning sky was wonderful---and then you found a landscape with great shapes and colors to complete the composition and make it all work.

I really like the changes you made! And I think everyone always appreciates seeing progressions thru a painting! You are using the Pans so beautifully! Looking forward to seeing more! Of course, I know you must be pretty busy getting ready for your trip.

Thanks for sharing!!! Yea! :clap: Donna ;-}

Rusla
05-02-2008, 10:24 AM
Excellent, Tressa!. I love the intensity of the colours.

Now for anyone who wishes to see the very first acryclic I have ever done, it is in the Marine forum. When I get back from delivering my pictures to the show, I will post the pastels pictures here, as there are two that haven't been seen before here.

Randi-Lee

Rusla
05-02-2008, 10:24 AM
Excellent, Tressa!. I love the intensity of the colours.

Now for anyone who wishes to see the very first acryclic I have ever done, it is in the Marine forum. When I get back from delivering my pictures to the show, I will post the pastels pictures here, as there are two that haven't been seen before here.

Randi-Lee

Rusla
05-02-2008, 02:12 PM
That was strange, the last entry somehow showed up twice.

One of the pictures I put into the art show this weekend was seen here before. So these two are also in the show. The one with the fairy is called,"Mabon Fey,' it is done on velour 9.5x12.5 with PP's and the other one is called 'Gabby James' and it was done in 1995 on canson 9.5x12.5 with stick and pastel pencils.

Tressa
05-03-2008, 11:07 AM
Thank you Donna and Rusla(good luck with your show)

To be honest, I'm not sure if this is a favorite of mine,and the reason is the ground in this instance, again, I was trying to use that dark suede matboard, and the pans move wonderfull, but the color dulled down...So good experiment altogether, but will go lighter on the base color next time.
Tres

Wrichards
05-03-2008, 11:55 AM
Im currently in the middle of a suede mat attempt, and man oh man is this stuff a magnet, it sucks the pastel right of the applicators. The tooth seems endless and have chewed through 2 soft tips in about an hour. oh well im sure its my technique im sure Ill figure applications for this backing. anyone got any tips on using suede?

Wrichards
05-03-2008, 12:59 PM
hers my suede attempt, ill do a bit more but think I bascialy got it... CCs welcome :)

http://i31.tinypic.com/15n0lt2.jpg

Tressa
05-03-2008, 02:46 PM
I replied to your other thread, but yea ,the suede does suck it up, and I felt my sponges a little worse for wear when I finished, lol!!
But not as bad as the sanded paper..maybe try your initial blending softer or with your fingers to push the pastel in, and then use the sponges lighter on the top layers.
Again good job on the suede board.
Tres

PeggyB
05-03-2008, 03:03 PM
But not as bad as the sanded paper..maybe try your initial blending softer or with your fingers to push the pastel in, and then use the sponges lighter on the top layers.
Again good job on the suede board.
Tres

Tres, can you move the pans on suede with your fingers? I found they didn't move much using fingers on other surfaces. I agree your painting above doesn't seem to have the vibrancy I'm accustomed to seeing in your work. I wonder if it is the darkness of the suede or the density of the texture.

Nice job on the sky in your painting wrichards. What color suede did you use?

Peggy

Wrichards
05-03-2008, 03:47 PM
Thanks guys :)

It was a realy bad purple :( if you look close there are touches of it along the horizon..

Tressa
05-03-2008, 06:29 PM
Oh no Peggy, I didn't make myself clear I guess.. I meant to use fingers to press and rub into the tooth of the suede, to place less wear on the applicators,then use the sponges afterwards., not to make it move per se..

And I do believe it was the color of the suede board, it was almost black... and I didn't put a huge amount of layers ; you can see the suede on the lower right showing thru a bit...I think if I had done more layering, or used sticks on top, it might have worked, cause the sky is nice and bright, and there is quite a bit of pastel worked in there... but the density in the land could be part of the issue also..was looking for warm colors and that may be the color scheme dulling down along with the suede..

wrichards...I see the purple in yours, but it works on the horizon line...
Tres

Phil Coleman
05-03-2008, 07:10 PM
Is there a great difference when using these as opposed to scrapping a pastel and applying it with ones fingers or a shaper and does anyone know when these ''Pan Pastels'' will be available in the UK. Sorry for asking this in the middle of a discussion.

Rusla
05-03-2008, 08:07 PM
The picture I sold at the art show was the 'Mabon Fey' that was done on velour. The pans don't do well on it and it also chews up the sponges along with soaking up the colour. I will not be using the PP's on the velour again.

Tressa, as for the sanded paper it depends on what type you are using. They all take a bit of the sponges but I find the colorfix is the best. The pans glide across it and cause less damage to the sponges. The Wallis paper, I don't like at all.

Randi-Lee

Tressa
05-03-2008, 08:26 PM
Yea, I didn't care for using the pans on Wallis too much, but it does well on the uart 800 grit ..very smooth glide...and they work on matboard with colourfix primer.

Phil...as to application it is probably pretty similar, but the pans are compressed, so you have very little dust, as opposed to having the scrapings of a stick...can't tell you when they will be available , but I think it will be soon.
I just received an e-mail from Berni Ward with Colorfin and she told me she was in France just recently promoting the pans, so hopefully not too long.
Check out their website at www.panpastel.com (http://www.panpastel.com) ...they have a contact email, and you could ask...

PeggyB
05-04-2008, 02:20 PM
Is there a great difference when using these as opposed to scrapping a pastel and applying it with ones fingers or a shaper and does anyone know when these ''Pan Pastels'' will be available in the UK. Sorry for asking this in the middle of a discussion.

The Pan Pastels have a consistency that one could never get by scraping a pastel and applying the dust with your fingers or a colour shaper. The ease with which they glide on to the paper, the manner of layering that is achievable, and the semi-transparency of some of the colors just isn't there with stick pastel dust. Not to mention the lack of airborn dust with the Pan Pastels! :heart:

I hope you will soon find them easily in the UK and elswhere in the EU.

Peggy

Trilby
05-04-2008, 09:02 PM
I found that trying to spread applications of the sticks with the sponges deadened and flattened the stickcolors too much. Really, the pans are a new medium and have one has to learn to handle them just as we do with any new medium. A good analogy would be the differences between regular oils and water soluable oils, they just handle differently.
TJ

Donna A
05-06-2008, 12:02 AM
Hi, everyone! Goodness, I need to play catch up (somewhere other than just here at home and studio!!! :)

Hi, Randi-Lee! How did your show go? Enjoyed seeing the pics of your old "Gabby James" and your "Mabon Fey."

Hi, Tressa! You have a new photo avatar! I noticed with what Bev was doing today, doing a couple of touch ups on her Roman Sculputure Garden piece on the LaCarte---and when she rubbed the PanP in over and over on that very suede-like surface, it did sink down in intensity---but then that happens to the pigment used in our stick pastels, as well---so wonder if that lead to your color dulling down, as you mentioned---along with the darker background.

Pat, in Monday class, bought some PanP's last week and began using them for the first time. She had not tried them out here in class before. Working with her today, I 're-realized' that I may likely load my sponge tools even more than many folks do. It really works for me to give particularly rich layers of pigment. But then---yes---I have at other times, for particular purposes, rubbed in an ultra sheer layer of PanP color---but then always on the Colourfix surfaces.

Hi, Richard! I really like your new painting of the hillside. Beautiful colors and shapes and movelments! And soooo painterly!

You mentioned wondering what might let the suede mat work for you in a more satisfactory way. You might see if loading even more pigment into your sponge tools makes any useful difference with the suede mat.

The thing that concerns me about that surface is that it is typically made to be more of a several-years 'temporary' material rather than the more archival surfaces that are available. And as for handling qualities, etc, I still love best the way the PanP's work on the Colourfix surfaces. I've tried so many different papers and boards and even canvases primed with Colourfix 'regular' Clear Primer and their SuperTooth Primer---and I can do so many manipulations on the Cfix surface! I relish the versatility!

I was given a couple of Ampersand Pastelbords a couple of weeks ago by our major art materials store to try the Pans on----and it is a lovely surface---but surely feels like it's eating up the sponge tools. Really hard to move the color on---unless I build up two or more layers, first. The initial layer(s) seems to act as a 'lubricant' that lets additional layers move more easily. That might work with the suede mat, too. But---I like much better using surfaces that don't make me work toooo hard just to get to a point where I feel like I can finally begin really painting. But that is not a bother to others---so---we just each have to find what serves us best!

Some of the sanded papers, as Tressa mentioned, can eat up the sponge tools, too (not to mention how some of them eat up the stick pastels!!!) but the Cfix has not seemed to be a problem to the sponge tools as much as I've used them, although I know the little sponge "socks" (as I think of them) so wear down or out eventually, which I guess is why they pack a number with their knife tools.

Hi, Peggy! You were picking up on Tressa's comment about moving the PanP's with fingers and I see she clarified what she was meaning. I do find that if I have enough pigment build up, I can slightly, slightly move the color a little bit with my finger. And there are times when I"ve used my fingers or a burnisher-type tool to press in pigment on some of the surfaces I've used.

Hi, Phil! Welcome to our little community within this huge grand community of Wet Canvas!!! Huge difference between how our stick pastels work scraped off and rubbed in and how our PanP's work. There are some pics of experiments about that which a friend and I did wayyyyy back early in this thread. It was really interesting to see how much more vibrant the Pan colors were on the paper that Loreta and I used.

The Pans will surely be in the UK before long. I know they have been introduced to Germany and France so far, and have been in Australia for a couple of months or so, now. And they were shown at the big art expo in Canada recently, too.

Yes, do email Berni at Pan Pastels and ask her when you will be getting them in the UK! Being that she is originally from the UK, she had said that they would be going there asap. I see that Tressa included the Pan Pastel url.

Hi, Trilby! Yes, the sponges working with the sticks don't give the same vibrant quality as the Pan Pastels. And I think how we might say it is that Pan Pastels are definitely part of the medium of Pastels---but they are a completely new version of that medium---and YES!!!---we do need to learn to handle them just as we do with any new Material. Good analogy.

There are soooo many different ways to handle these new materials and I've found that the difference between liking them and not liking them is often how much a person learns about their handling. Some artists are just great experimenters and pick it up pretty fast---and others do best when they get to learn some key techniques in a workshop or class---or following tips and so forth on this thread (particularly in the first half---tho all the way thru) , etc.

All for now! I'm still playing catch up! Whew! Hope you all are doing well! Take good care! Donna ;-}

Tressa
05-06-2008, 06:24 AM
Hi Donna. Yes I did 'push it down in the suede. I think I will try putting some thin "glazes" of color over it, and build up again. I think that might help both the dulling and the dark b/g, brighten thing back up a bit.

Yes, new avatar..hair much longer now, and a couple years older, lol...

I'm one of those experimenters, gotta jump in and see what something will do, how it will react, can I do more, etc....I fell in love with the pans when they first come out, and am still learning what they can do. I have been asked by the college to teach an 8 week course on them. Let's hope I have mastered a few of the possibilities so I look like I half know what I'm doing:D
Tres

Rusla
05-06-2008, 10:46 AM
Donna; The show went well the picture that sold of my four was the Mabon Fey, I truly did not expect to sell anything. Williie sold her Loon at the show also. With a bit more signage and advertising in strategic areas it could be even better. We were also competing with ten other shows that day.

Wrichards
05-06-2008, 11:43 AM
Thanks Donna, yea you pretty much nailed my experience with the suede, It took ALOT of inital "priming" with underlaying PanP to build up the surface befor I could actualy "paint". I remember watching a demo with Alicia doing a portrait with suede, I think the sticks work much better with it. The PanP glide over the Cansons Ive been using for my coloured pencil stuff but theres little tooth, Ive been trying the workable fixative to give me a couple more layers but... Thanks for the info on the CFix, Im heading to the art stor again :) to get a few sheets. I tryed the Wallis, which I tryed befor with my CPs but didnt like the feeling of "grinding" my consumables down. my soft tips just got ate up.... anyway thanks again for the look and comment....

Donna A
05-07-2008, 02:35 AM
Hi Donna. Yes I did 'push it down in the suede. I think I will try putting some thin "glazes" of color over it, and build up again. I think that might help both the dulling and the dark b/g, brighten thing back up a bit.

Yes, new avatar..hair much longer now, and a couple years older, lol...

I'm one of those experimenters, gotta jump in and see what something will do, how it will react, can I do more, etc....I fell in love with the pans when they first come out, and am still learning what they can do. I have been asked by the college to teach an 8 week course on them. Let's hope I have mastered a few of the possibilities so I look like I half know what I'm doing:D
Tres
Hi, Tres! Love the look of your hair! And I'm with you on the experimenting! I think it's soooo important---as well as a great adventure! We're lucky that we want to dive into the great unknowns! I'm sooo excited that you are going to be doing a class! That will be great! I know you'll do well! I know you are going to encourage them to experiment, too! Yea! And---you'll let us know how that goes, I hope! Take good care! Donna ;-}

Donna A
05-07-2008, 02:46 AM
Donna; The show went well the picture that sold of my four was the Mabon Fey, I truly did not expect to sell anything. Williie sold her Loon at the show also. With a bit more signage and advertising in strategic areas it could be even better. We were also competing with ten other shows that day.

Hi, Randi-Lee! I'm so glad the show went well---and that Marbon Fey has a new home! :clap: And great that Willie's "Loon" is moving on, as well. I remember it, too! Geee---ten other shows!!! That's a lot of competition with shows! Sounds like you did well! Yea! Take good care! Donna ;-}

Donna A
05-07-2008, 02:53 AM
Thanks Donna, yea you pretty much nailed my experience with the suede, It took ALOT of inital "priming" with underlaying PanP to build up the surface befor I could actualy "paint". I remember watching a demo with Alicia doing a portrait with suede, I think the sticks work much better with it. The PanP glide over the Cansons Ive been using for my coloured pencil stuff but theres little tooth, Ive been trying the workable fixative to give me a couple more layers but... Thanks for the info on the CFix, Im heading to the art stor again :) to get a few sheets. I tryed the Wallis, which I tryed befor with my CPs but didnt like the feeling of "grinding" my consumables down. my soft tips just got ate up.... anyway thanks again for the look and comment....
Hi, Richard! I'm glad you are heading out in search of some Colourfix. I look forward to hearing how it works for you. Each of us is different. I've tried soooo many surfaces---and just keep coming back to the amazingness of the Cfix! My favorites of their 20 different colors is the Soft Umber (a pale warm neutral) and the Aubergine (a dark, musty plummy neutral.) But there are sooo many great color opportunities---AND---they all also come in a jar so that you can brush or sponge-roller the texture on to all manner of surfaces (such as etching or watercolor papers, masonite panels, etc---OR repair a problem in a painting on the Cfix paper or board---or add a texture to some portion of it, and so much more!!!) They really have what I consider as a 'full system" for us!!!

There are many who really like the Wallis when they are using particularly soft pastel sticks, but---the one artist who regularly uses it in my classes here ALWAYS ends up with a huge pile of pastel dust in the paper tray at the base of her painting. I mean a HUGE PILE! Argh. Others who have tried it were unhappy with it for that reason or for others (bloody fingers within 20 minutes at a recent portrait workshop!) (And then took her ages to fill in all the surface so the portrait would not seem to have a horridly pock-marked face.) But horray for those who find it works for them!

Just for the fun of it---I'll upload the pdf file I wrote for the last IAPS convention---which is about picking different colors to use for the ground of a painting.

Something else you can try, by the way, with the Colourfix papers or boards or Primers is to sand it down a bit. It leaves you with a slightly suede-y surface that is similar to LaCarte (which is a lovely paper, but extremely vulnerable, unlike the resulting sanded Cfix.) Seems like you are a bit of a daring explorer, so---you might want to try a bit of the paper slightly sanded with a fine or medium fine grit.

By the way---remarkable oil paintings have been done on the Colourfix---and for some reason, it has loosened up soo many painters who have been wrestling with their oils on canvas. It's great for acrylic, colored pencil and charcoal---and there are artists who do their watercolors only on Cfix! And the first oil pastel I ever enjoyed doing was last Sept. when I was doing a demo on Cfix. It was actually glorious to do! Very painterly. So---many possibilities! Do try it with oil sometime. There is a major plein air painter in AU who does all his on-location oils on the Colourfix because it dries so quickly and the following morning, he can stack up the previous day's paintings and pack up his hotel room and move on to a new location. I just like it in the studio, as well!

Have fun with what ever you do! All of us need to be having some sort of fun---JOY---when we are painting! Wishing that for all of us! Donna ;-}

ourcassidy!
05-07-2008, 10:30 PM
Donna thanks for the attachment and for all your hard work in this post. I am basically a pastel want -2-b...I do the colored pencil, oil and some watercolor...but the pan pastels have me quite interested...Thanks, Pam

Donna A
05-08-2008, 12:41 AM
Hi, Pam! So glad to hear from you! So many of us seem to use several different mediums! The way I see it---first of all---it's all just COLOR!!!! with different delivery systems! :) We'll be sooo happy to have you join us in the pastel world when you are ready! Lots of support is always here and other areas in the pastel forums---as everywhere here at WC! Look forward to hearing from you again! (We do surely have a lot of fun!) :D :wave: Take good care! Donna ;-}

Wrichards
05-08-2008, 03:32 PM
I wanted tell you guys that I found a solution to the trays for the Pans.
Using Donna's colour layout with 4 trays of 3x5 colours = 60 (the whole set) as my template goal, I measured and found these:
http://i30.tinypic.com/2zgyx69.jpg
They come in 1,2 & 3 drawer models. they have easily removeable dividers and each drawer will hold 15 PanPs in the 3x5 config, so all in all youll need total of 4 drawers. I got a 2 drawer and a 3 drawer so Id have an extra drawer for the "soft" tools, sponges misc tools etc. It was a simple thing to smear some glue on top of the 3 drawer unit and secure the 2 drawer on top.

The whole thing is exactly what I wanted, the PanPs are inside in the very usable configureation (thanks to Donna) resting with lids off on a very thin foam beding that prevents them from moving around. I did add a sheet of paper that lays over each drawer that also adds to ease of drawer insertion (as it is a sung but not dificult fit) and also adds to keeping any dust from the PanPs from getting outa hand.

all in all I think its a great way to store and secure my PanPs from my cats ;)

The beauty is these boxes are very inexpensive: about $15-ish for the 2drawer and $20-ish for the 3, can be found online at most of the art supply site, I got mine from my local San Clemente Art store. In my opinion its a great way to protect you investment and provide quick access.

anyway, Ill post a picture of my boxes and set up later as my cameras in my car and im lazy today... hope this helped, Ok back to work :)

Tressa
05-08-2008, 04:07 PM
exerpt from e-mail I received from Berni W.
Regarding the UK – a retailer there might be carrying them soon. We will be setting up a distributor in a few months so that it can be more widely available.
I will make a note to let you know once we ship to the retailer.

That is a great inexpensive setup for the studio Richard, especially for those of us who are "construction challenged" to make Donna's wonderful boxes! I think I may have one of those in the closet...

I am also looking for a good way to travel and set up with these on location. I have been informed that a prototype is in the making, but don't look for it just yet, as all the bees are busy multiplying the Pans at the moment...but hope it's soon!
Tres

Rusla
05-08-2008, 04:18 PM
Richard, I can't believe you would deprive your poor cats the fun and joy of playing with your pans. I have one who just loves the tools and sponges. If I leave them out to dry and forget to hide them somewhere, the next morning is hide and seek.

That looks like a fairly decent setup for keeping the Pans at home. Right now mine enjoy going out with me. I purchased the French Mistress for that and made to two straps for the sides to hold them in on the sides and space for sponges etc. My only problem is I am still waiting for my lids to get here so I can put them in the box.

I went to your website, wonderful work! Love your
birds.

Tressa, I spoke with Bernie many months ago, she is such a lovely person. We discussed that they were working on prototype for within the studio but nothing planned for being portable yet. I did give her some suggestions on things that would work well for them to travel along. Coming from Ireland, she certainly understands the concept of walking a distance with your equipment.

Right now I am carrying mine in an old camera case. I have the French Mistress for carrying them and just waiting on my back ordered lids to get here. The French Mistress is big enough to put all 60 in the flat bottom and one of the sides. I rigged up some wide fabric elastic with a bar sewn on and put cup screws in each end of the side to hold the pans in. The other side I have made like a pouches to hold the sponges and tools. Soon as I get my lids I will take some pictures and post them on here. I may also make a strap and hook it up to the sides of the French Mistress to carry it over my shoulder.

Randi-Lee

Wrichards
05-08-2008, 04:49 PM
Thanks guys :)

Im looking into somthing like this to cary the box setup for travel:
maybe even the one with wheels, but you get the idea....
http://i26.tinypic.com/9k3vc0.jpg

This one seems better and the dimentions seem to fit the box well:

http://i27.tinypic.com/9j290m.jpg

I first thought about the Mistress, as its design is perfect for what I want for my field set up, a tripod mount and Id be set, but I measured it and it came up a bit short (as I remember it) Ill probably have to custom make a "mistress" that will hold the trays in the configuration I want.

*EDIT: just read your comment that the Mistress works - would very much like to see pics of it when/if you can :)

Im in love with Donna's layout and want to have that wherever I am :) Ill tell ya, if these PanPs were square, it would be alot easier to design a box for them ;)

PeggyB
05-08-2008, 05:28 PM
Thanks guys :)

Im in love with Donna's layout and want to have that wherever I am :) Ill tell ya, if these PanPs were square, it would be alot easier to design a box for them ;)

I agree Richard, but then it would be more difficult to get the very last bit out of the corners! Always something to consider, isn't there? :D

Peggy

Tressa
05-08-2008, 06:29 PM
Im in love with Donna's layout and want to have that wherever I am :) Ill tell ya, if these PanPs were square, it would be alot easier to design a box for them ;)


LOL!! That is soo funny!! I was in the local art store and the salesgirl and I were discussing setups for the pans, and looking at the available boxes, and I said "Wow, would be so much easier if they were square" :lol:
But the corners would be a bit of a challenge!
I am so anxious to see what Colorfin comes up with. My wish list is something that is easy to set up, and break down;I can set my guerilla box up literally in 5 mins and be ready to paint. Hope for something close...

Rusla, I did think of the Mistress and I have one, but it wouldn't be practical at this time, as I am already taking my guerilla box, and tripod, so would be too much to lug.

Tres

Rusla
05-08-2008, 07:01 PM
Actually, Richard, the Mistress is the one that is the right size, the one smaller which I can't remember the name is the one that is too small.

The suggestion I gave to Bernie was something similar but without wheels, actually a bit bigger than my camera bag with about 6 trays not more than 1" deep and pockets for sponges, tools etc., with a handle and a shoulder strap.

I have a thing with wheels and it is a pain to haul about especially if it is over hill and dale. Of course you are probably stronger than me and lifting the thing in and out of the car would kill me and make me crazy(r). I also agree on if they the PP's were square, it would save a heap of problems.

Peggy, if they were square then getting the last bit out of the corners would be easy. You would just take the the tool without the sponge on, dig it out to where you can pick it up with a sponge.

Tres, I can see your problem with the guerilla box. Perhaps you should take a guerilla along to carry it, okay bad joke. I have not found any uses for the guerilla box so I will stick with the mistress until something better comes along.

I figure it will be many years before Pans come up with a good portable unit, and who knows by then maybe I will find something else.

Randi-Lee

Donna A
05-09-2008, 12:55 AM
Hi, everyone! You all have such great ideas! It's wonderful to see all the sharing of inventiveness! Yea! :clap:

Thank you, Richard, for the info about the wooden trays and photos of their box/holder plus the travel kit you are considering.

And thanks, Tres for passing on the update about UK from Berni!

LOL, Randi-Lee! Yes, Richard is just going to have to be sure his cat has something else to play around with. :cat: (Otherwise he seems like a very lovely human. :cool: ) I always spread my sponges out on one of my couches to dry---and I'm soooo surprised and THANKFUL that my two cats don't seem to be at all interested. Miracles DO happen! :D

I'm with Peggy on the issue of the corners. I'm really glad they come in rounds rather than squares. I've found that it's pretty important to have an intact layer to be able to pick up very specific 'loads' on our sponge tools. I do use some of the loose 'powder' that is typical to 'work up' as we paint, and I do occasionally find it extremely useful for certain special touches, BUT for most work, it can be a liability without the firm 'originally-formed' layer of PanPastel---at least in my experience. So---the idea of scarping PanP out of the corner is great. The in-use experience---not great a majority of the time! Now, you can pour in a few drops of 70% (not 50%) rubbing alcohol and re-solidify the PanPs. But---in a very sheer layer, it will break up pretty easily as we pull our sponge tool over it (unless stabilized with the concentric circle forms that are part of the bottom of Pan's pans.) Yes, these are all things I've experimented with a fair bit and, while there are things that one can fuss with a bit, for what I consider normal (passionate, active, fluent) painting---nothing but loose bits are just a nuisance---and tooo unpredictable to count on our regular and reliable types of sponge-loading techniques. But, yes---there ARE things we can do with the 'bits' but---I do think there are advantages to the rounds that might seem less noticeable at first look. Still---I do understand the loving for the idea of square. :)

One of the problems I have with the travel totes of plastic are that they are sooo deep and waste a lot of space---and the depth can get in the way of our hand motions in picking up color with our knife tools---and sometimes with the sponges. One of the problems I have with the wooden travel boxes are how terribly heavy they are empty---like the Mistress---but I do know that many artists really appreciate them. I love my foam cores. I can make them any size/shape I want! :p

Was a very busy day today---and tomorrow will be as well, but hopefully by evening, I can upload photos I took of PanP pieces done in class this week---and the one I finished late this afternoon for the Wayside Waifs' fundraiser. All the artists here who painted one of the pet pieces just did great! Most were oils or stick pastels. My piece uses both Pans and sticks. More manana! Take good care all, and hooray again for all the great sharing! :grouphug: Donna ;-}

Tressa
05-09-2008, 07:50 AM
Late evening I was coming home and this field is by my house leading to a house, so I stopped to paint. I punched up the color a bit, but was a beautiful sky. This is pans underneath and sticks on top. Treshttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-May-2008/76189-PICT0002.JPG

Rusla
05-09-2008, 01:38 PM
Tressa, that is just terrific. What a lovely site outside of your house.

Randi-Lee

Donna A
05-10-2008, 01:37 AM
Hi, Tressa! (Oh, gosh---it just dawned on me as I was writing your name---with your new avatar----your gorgeous tresses! And your name----how insightful your parents were in naming you.) :)

OK---back to the point of all this! Your gorgeous new painting! Very magical! I love that amazing sky---with the warm and cool reds vibrating off each other! And your red/green color scheme that is tied so very well together with the connection through their medium to light values! And the sky is a bit more leaning to the cool red which is such a compliment of the major area of greens to the warmer side----making very striking contrast and completeness! Even the horizontal 'extra lights' as accents in the sky play beautifully against the vertical grassy 'extra lights' below.

Thank you for sharing this. Lovely! A beautiful setting for your home, as well!

Today ended up such a constantly busy day!!! So never got near the camera to upload the photos I took this last week. Manana??? I hope!

I stopped by our main KC art store after a dr. appt. today to check with Tim, who has been there forever, how the big NAMTA event went in Reno, NV. National Art Materials.....(don't remember the rest. But is a great event each year with all the art material vendor.) The Creative-Coldsnow owners and key staff attended. I had told Tim to be sure to look for the Pan Pastels and Berni and Ladd. He said they were such lovely people (in fact he repeated that several times during our visit. Yes!) He'd planned to come over here to get a bit of one-on-one time for me to show him a few of the techniques with the Pans. So---next week. We got to talking about lightfastness, too---of pastels sticks---and certain colored papers and so I'll show him some of my test pieces, etc.

He said that in the world of pastels, the Pans were about the only really exciting new thing offered. There is another new acrylic paint out---a slower-drying one from Golden. Other than that---he said nothing seemed to pop out that much. Oh---one other thing he mentioned---Canson is introducing a series of special papers for inkjet printing. There will even be some special surfaces added to some of the Mi-Tientes for the inkjet printers. (Actually what initiated our lightfastness conversation since so many of the medium and darker sheets fade.) (And---I know, I know. Some folks live with the [more often than not] fantasy that they cover up allllll of their paper. But then that's another long story. To cut it short---a MAPS member from a far-away state was in town with some of her paintings. She had told me on the phone the week before that she covered up alllll of HER Mi-T....but when she pulled out one of the gorgeous large paintings----I said, "Oh, you used the wine red paper for that piece." "How did you know?" "Because I can see it here and here and here and (etc!)" "Oh." She went to Colourfix. And her paintings are just as utterly gorgeous and powerful and full of delicious color---but now the small bits with the paper color glowing thru will not fade over time! Yea! Take good care, all! Donna ;-}

Rusla
05-10-2008, 11:31 AM
Very interesting, Donna. That is good to know that Canson is prone to fading. Colourfix is still my favorite for using with the PP's by a long shot.

Randi-Lee

Wrichards
05-10-2008, 08:01 PM
A couple hour PanP hope you like.. :) CCs welcome...

loving this medium

12x14"
http://i31.tinypic.com/donlmo.jpg

Rusla
05-10-2008, 09:12 PM
What type of paper did you do this on, Richard? Looks to be gray or gray blue. I love it, it makes me think of places I want to be.

Randi-Lee

Wrichards
05-10-2008, 10:19 PM
thanks Randi :)
its cansons lt. blue.....

PeggyB
05-11-2008, 02:44 AM
Other than the rather even spacing of the three main trees, this is a very nice painting Richard. It has good perspective, and the value changes are pleasing too. You are coming along very nicely with your Pans.

Peggy

Wrichards
05-11-2008, 11:28 AM
Thanks Peggy :)
yea I didnt notice the tree spacing till after I went too far to realy undo it :( Im usualy on my game when I work the composition but Ill blame the pastel dust effecting my wee brain on this one ;)

Im amazed at how diffrent the effect is from the suede to the cansons. Im sure its probably just me and my gross inexperience with this medium, but the vibrancy is much more on suede than cansons paper. Im going to do an experiement very soon with a piece of cansons and suede board and colourfix alll coloured as close together as I can and paint the same picture. I realy wanta see what effect and vibrancy I can get. Of course all this may just be my inability to control the PanPs at this stage, and -Donna, if/when you read this, please nudge me a bit as to your thoughts on this. Id like to see more vibrancy in this latest one on cansons but think, either the lt. blue paper colour or just the fact that the paper tooth is soo fine it cant hold the pigment enought to pull off the vibrant effect the suede can.... (hope all this is making sense, my coffee hasnt settled in yet)... any way Im rambling..... off to the drawing board... again :)

PeggyB
05-11-2008, 06:59 PM
Richard, the first papers I used with the Pans was Canson Mi Teintes because the art store that asked me to demo sells only that or print making papers. The color of the Canson is very important for the outcome. I know others have seen these examples before, but rather than try to find them in this thread here's some of they are for your convenience. All are done with the same color of Pan Pastels - just different colored paper

Violet Canson
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-May-2008/68149-violet_PP2_resized.jpg

Red Canson
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-May-2008/68149-Red_Canson_PP_resized.jpg

Steel Gray Canson
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-May-2008/68149-Steel_Gray_Canson_pan_pastels.JPG

and last is the really "fuzzy" one: White Canson
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-May-2008/68149-White_Canson_pan_pastels.JPG

Remember - all of the Pan Pastel colors are the same in these pieces although they aren't necessarily layered in the same way. However, all of the blue in the skies is pathol blue because we generally have more green in the skies in the NorthWET :lol: . The print making paper was no more successful in my opinion. As you mentioned, they seem to "absorb" the color no matter how thickly it is applied.

Needless to say, I don't use Canson with Pan Pastels now. I prefer Art Specturm's Colourfix. However, I want to try it with the various grits of the UART sanded paper too.

Peggy

Donna A
05-11-2008, 10:14 PM
Thanks Peggy :)
yea I didnt notice the tree spacing till after I went too far to realy undo it :( Im usualy on my game when I work the composition but Ill blame the pastel dust effecting my wee brain on this one ;)

Im amazed at how diffrent the effect is from the suede to the cansons. Im sure its probably just me and my gross inexperience with this medium, but the vibrancy is much more on suede than cansons paper. Im going to do an experiement very soon with a piece of cansons and suede board and colourfix alll coloured as close together as I can and paint the same picture. I realy wanta see what effect and vibrancy I can get. Of course all this may just be my inability to control the PanPs at this stage, and -Donna, if/when you read this, please nudge me a bit as to your thoughts on this. Id like to see more vibrancy in this latest one on cansons but think, either the lt. blue paper colour or just the fact that the paper tooth is soo fine it cant hold the pigment enought to pull off the vibrant effect the suede can.... (hope all this is making sense, my coffee hasnt settled in yet)... any way Im rambling..... off to the drawing board... again :)

Hi, Richard! Lovely new painting---though I agree with you and Peggy about the three-trees spacing.

Really nice the way the fence moves lighter and darker (among other changes, many so subtle!!!) and how in some areas it really stands out and in others it nearly disappears into the values of the grasses that surround it. A great lesson for so many other artists!!! One thing that I keep trying to 'ignore' is the thin line of darker green shrubs running from the largest tree out to the right---along with the more medium line of comparatively dark green running along the far hillsides nearly making an oval. I would look for ways of breaking up the 'pace' (size, shape, color, height, etc. of these) plus perhaps mellow some of the distant intensity a bit if indeed as rich in the actual painting. Some of the distant color may not be quite as intense as it looks in the photo---but as is, it comes forward a bit more than, from your other paintings, I suspect it does in real life.

One somewhat redeeming quality about the three trees is that the two smaller ones have rather different shapes and attitudes. Do give serious erasing a try with the next painting where you have the sense that something is in 'the wrong place at the wrong time!' --- Well, I don't know how well the erasing works with the canson, but should do fine. A good kneaded eraser worked and worked a good but---that is kneaded over and over again to warm it up and get it very wonderfully porous. Then erase a bit, knead a bit and erase more. While I've done experiments on canson, I am not a fan of it and have not tried erasing it. The Colourfix can be erased and erased and erased and... Ask me how I know! :rolleyes: I did some considerable erasing on the big sunrise painting---ad naseum. And the tooth remained perfect. And finally got just what I wanted (finally.) :D (But no I'm still not quite finished with it!) So---another thing to 'play' with in the techniques repertoire. Because of the sheerness of the PanPs, they will erase far more easily than our stick pastels.

You've caught on to soooo much soooo fast with the Pans, but you will keep discovering more and more as you work.

As far as the vibrancy--I do believe that building up more than one layer adds to the richness of the color---and/or laying on rather 'generous' layers. I think you are right about the canson having so little tooth that it does not allow much in the way of build up. One thing that can work sometimes to add a bit of tooth to something like canson is to spray-fix it a bit. If you decide to give fixing a try---just for the possible added tooth, I'll include a link to a page about applying fix. A lot of artists spray on too much at once, which will darken a pastel painting by getting it wet with the fix. That does not have to happen. I'm a confirmed fixer for stick pastels---and have on occasion used fix on a PanP to isolate layers for particular reasons. I have found that in most cases, I do not need to fix PanP paintings at all. But---it can often add a bit of texture. So---just a thought for the untoothy canson.

I'm curious to hear how your first try goes with the Cfix. Of allllll the surfaces I've tried, I am able to get the very most out of my Pans on it, whatever the color of the ground. Keep on keepin' on! Really enjoying what we get to see! :clap:

Take good care! Donna ;-}

Donna A
05-11-2008, 10:26 PM
Hi, Peggy---Thank you!!! I'm sooo glad you uploaded these four paintings. The first three are particularly yummy. (The last---next to the other three---not quite as....) I certainly do see some parallels between the paper color and some key color quality in the respective paintings, but don't know that I would necessarily associate the results and the original ground color the way it looks from 'wayyyyyy over here on my computer' but I'm assuming you did work with each color in a way that did give you those color effects.

Are there areas where you've laid the color on 'extra sheer' to let the color come thru, or did the ground color simply 'inspire' you to go that color direction with each? I'm am sooo thankful for what we CAN see on our computers from around the planet, but there are still so many lively IRL things we can't tell. Would love to hear more about how you used the ground color in relation to the pigment you laid on---when you have time! Thanks so much! They are lovely! Take good care! Donna ;-}

Wrichards
05-11-2008, 11:29 PM
Thank you VERY much for your demo of the colour paper. Its exactly what I needed and prety much what expected. I didnt expect to see how much the blu/grey paper just shut down the green that way, it what I was fighting all the way with this one. I have Donna's paper colour handout that Ill stick more to, and will consign my Cansons to my coloured pencil works. My local art store has ordered several colourfix grounds of various colours so Im expecting that will solve alot of my problems.

Im still learning what Im guessing many pastelists know about how to use lights and darks to pop the colour. Im very used to doing this is oils. The PanPs colours are so subtle to me and I wish they had a couple more very darks (but agian its probably just my inexperience). I can see the hardest part of my personal learning curve with them will be to properly choose and learn to blend better the contracts I want. since Im not useing any sticks (for fine line = detail), I know Im going to have to find a way to achieve the detail level appropriate to what I want to present.

This last piece was painted from a reference in the WC gallery. I knew I was gonna have to make adjustments to the values as the reference was pretty flat with not as sharp shadows and contrasts as I wanted, but attempted to copensate and wound up fighting it all the way. I didnt realy change the composition all that much which so the placement and size etc. of the trees and the "green band" are reflective of it. Ill be much more aware of artistic license in the future and correst natures "mistakes" I was just more interested in painting what I was seeing rather than analyze it overly (*voice in my head* "good one Rick, they believe that excuse" ;) )

All in all thanks again very much for your "eyes" and time you took to respond. Its VERY much appreciated. I know Im still way on the curve, but with all the peps in these forums/threads providing me comments giving me peeks to the other side, I hope to be over it soon... :wave:

Donna A
05-12-2008, 01:00 AM
Hi, everyone! Here are photos from PanP paintings---one I just did and several from artists in class last week. I'll start with one I did this last week for the Wayside Waifs fundraiser that took place last night. (It was a ball! A 50's party and was sooo fun to roll up my blue jeans, put on a fine-knit sweater [similar to those we wore back then!] and my pearls and polished up a lovely little pair of flats, since I didn't have any saddle oxfords on hand---tho there were many pairs along with poodle skirts and leather jackets and soo many fun outfits! Jukebox and all the 'right music'---and they just did an overall magnificent job of making an outstanding event!!!)

Since I didn't have much time to do what I had envisioned---I really took some grand 'shortcuts' which worked beautifully for the occasion and imagery---and something that you might want to try sometime!

So---since those of us here were doing pet paintings, I had a photo of one of my two little black cats--Jezzie, who had come to the classroom studio one afternoon and set herself down in the sunshine. I snapped several photos of her. Here is the original shot and then what it looked like after I did some work on it with the wonderful Shadow/Light adjustment in PhotoShop (which I bless every time I use it!!)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-May-2008/77048-Jezzie-original_photo.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-May-2008/77048-Jezzie_in_Sunlight-0622=.jpg
And below is one of the rugs in my private studio (which is Jezzie's 'headquarters' and where she often sits in sunlight coming in the french doors just about in this spot below.)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-May-2008/77048-Jezzie-Light_and_Shadow-rug.jpg

Now---it was a considerable adventure in PhotoShop figuring out just how to bring together the shadow elements of the classroom studio floor with the other studio's rug---but figured it out---and then masked out Jezzie from one image to the other. THEN I did some color correcting after I took out furniture legs and painted out the floor tiles. Well---also had to adjust the lay of the rug and added in the front border, which I took from the side border. THEN THEN I eventually printed it out on my Epson 2200 which has inks that are lightfast 80 to 100 years on the Epson papers. I used an archival paper to print 13x19---and then---I used the print as the underpainting! :D Well---I know. I had hours and hours and such an ultra-simple subject. :rolleyes: But, it was WORK! I had fun. Little tiny dabs here and there and larger runs of colors in others. I used both the Pans and my AS sticks. (Will always adore the P510---Spectrum Red, which I always think of as my red velvet color!) I was originally planning to roll on a fine layer of the AS Colourfix Clear Primer, but the printed paper did take both pastels very well, so---I just got on with it. I painted the floor several different times---finally deciding on a hardwood floor 'look.' All of that was with the Pans. I did find it hard to get the sticks to go on well OVER the Pans since I was not using the Cfix texture. This Epson paper is pretty smooth-ish---but still took the color well! There are a few tiny spots here and there that are the original print showing through, but most of it was painted over---and yes, it was, where the rug was concerned, more of a paint-by-number. But---it got DONE and framed in a 24-hour period---and was loved! Lot of bids. And then at dinner, after the auction closed, Bev's son and daughter asked if they could commission me to also paint one like this for them and they will also give a donation to Wayside Waifs. Awwww. So, nice. It was a fun piece to do---and will be again! They are going to have me come over to their house to meet their black cat so I can really make it HIM! :heart: Here is the finished painting below:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-May-2008/77048-Jezzie-Light_and_Shadow.jpg

I did take the rug more of a 'red red' since the red-violet of this rug in the studio is a bit unusual from many rugs. And worked at making it just a bit brighter.

Here is the wonderful painting that Bev did from a photo she took of her grandson's new puppy. She also used both PanP's and sticks on this piece---20x28" Colourfix. She used a piece of Cfix that I had washed with red acrylic last year---over Blue Haze. She loved the resulting color---and it did work out so well! Little pup is napping on one of her 1950's fabric cushions. Awwww. He's just soooo cute. Every time I looked at the painting I just wanted to go up and wuv his widdow forehead. (Pardon---I can be pretty silly over little pet darlings.)

So here is the WIP with the photo, followed by a detail shot that I took close to it's being finished.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-May-2008/77048-Bev-Puppy-paintingWIP-photo.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-May-2008/77048-Bev-Puppy-detail.jpg
Is that wonderful or what!!! Yes---Bev ended up buying her own painting donation for her grandson---and had to way overbid to get it. :D

Our other Aldridge Studios artists who donated paintings did really well with the bids as well. Louise, whose works you've seen, had her painting go fast with an overbid! Linda--of the White Linen 'fame' had a great overbid! Others---Rick (ohhh, gorgeous white cat's face/shoulders in stick pastels) did well! Fani's little black dog in oil was delish! I'm a blank on the others--but---was great to support something we all believed in!

Here is Bonnie's newest painting so far. This is from a photo she took in India. She's working on Black Cfix 20x18". You can barely see her charcoal drawing in the areas where she has not painted yet. She's working on getting looser---and there are some very sweeping strokes here with her Pans! Photo first and then the painting so far!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-May-2008/77048-BW-India-photo.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-May-2008/77048-BW-India-1.jpg

Geee---she just nailed that face! It is so striking! She had to do a bit of redrawing to get the impact or dynamic energy of the man's right shoulder---but she got it pretty nicely! And we did have a few debates about how the man was sitting---and what was leg or knee, etc. Well, I finally just got down on the floor and took his pose (rather drastically LESS limberly) so we worked it out. Bonnie does have to go back to the lower knee and lighten it and then pull the ankle of the other leg over the lower knee. Manana. The white on the right under his shawl is a 'tote bag.' Will be interesting to see how this proceeds. Striking so far!

Well---a minute till midnight! I'm going to save the other photos for later! Terribly busy day tomorrow. I hope you all have glorious days! Take good care! Donna ;-}

PeggyB
05-12-2008, 01:48 AM
OMG Donna that is so definately Jezzie! If Cassie knows how beautifully you've painted her arch rival you are gonna be in big trouble with her!!! For those of you who don't know, Jezzie was my roommate in March when I visited Donna. She is a little love bug - and I do mean little. I have huge cats (3 of them are at or over 14 pounds, and the fourth one about 10 pounds). If Jezzie weighs 6 pounds I'll be surprised. Donna said she's gained a little weight since I was there, but she's so small it wouldn't take much to be "more". Bev's grandpuppy is just too cute for words, and the painting is very well done too. Oh yah - the party sounds like it was a lot of fun and a huge success too.

Bonnie has a good start on her figure. I look forward to seeing it finished.

Donna and all, I'll go into more detail regarding my use of Canson and Pan Pastels later. It is late here, and I have a long day tomorrow so best get to bed.

Peggy

Rusla
05-15-2008, 11:55 PM
I see the site falling down took away a lot of comments.
Donna, your cat painting looks just like a photograph.

All the pictures are just terrrific! They are so good.

Randi-Lee

Donna A
05-16-2008, 01:36 AM
Hi, Randi-Lee! Thank you!!! Well, the painting did start as a 'photoprint!' But then I did do a LOT of painting! :-) Yes, the other pieces are yum!!! And here are some more that I was going to upload the day the site went down. (And then in the next day or so I'll upload from today's class. Wait till you see the finished peonies that Shirley did! Wow! Early single Japanese peonies that I cut from my garden.)

OK---these are from last week in class. First is Bonnie's painting---20x28" Black Colourfix from a photo she took in India. It's coming along beautifully. Have not uploaded the pics I took today in class---but---here are the early stages of the paintings:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-May-2008/77048-BW-India-1.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-May-2008/77048-BW-India-2.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-May-2008/77048-BW-India-photo.jpg

Gloria has been working on a painting---half sheet of Colourfix from a photo I took at Ghost Ranch north of Abiquiu, New Mexico.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-May-2008/77048-Gloria-GhostRanch-photo.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-May-2008/77048-Gloria-GhostRanch-1.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-May-2008/77048-Gloria-GhostRanch-2.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-May-2008/77048-Gloria-GhostRanch-3.jpg

Mary Kay recently finished a painting she did from a photo she took in Venice, Italy several months ago. I don't have the finished version of it---but here is the photo and the version near the finish. She did a great job of working the shadow of the building across the canal on the buildings we see---along with the sunlight effects! She changed some of the windows and other things, but stayed with the general 'feel' of the photo's inspiration. As the other pieces here, total PanP's.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-May-2008/77048-MaryKay-Venice-photo.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-May-2008/77048-MaryKay-Venice-2.jpg

And Susan has been painting this from a photo she took of dogwood trees in bloom. Again---from last week. She did some lovely work toward finishing this week---which I have not uploaded yet.

Something we all have to always be careful about is that when we have a lot of 'near whites' or 'near blacks' in a photo is that they can loose sooo much of the fine nuances. In this photo, some of the areas that appear solid white were not utterly white in real life. (That's one of the values of either working from real life----OR working from a photo you've taken yourself plus having a lot of experience working from real life before working from photos!!!) Susan has been 'adjusting' what is represented in the photograph accordingly.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-May-2008/77048-Susan-Dogwood-photo.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-May-2008/77048-Susan-Dogwood-1.jpg

Oh, here is a pic of Dorothy and Shirley from several weeks ago with the boxes they found for their Pan Pastels---Hobby Lobby, I think---and there is room to lay them all out one layer IF they put the lightest values of half of the colors just outside the box. They are busy numbering the bottom of the pans with corresponding numbers in their position in the box. When they are finished working, they stack the colors sitting on the lid on top of colors in the comperable position inside the box---and then set a third level from the table top onto the colors
already in the box. Did I say that in a way that makes sense???? I hope so! Anywayyyyy---it's been working for them for the last month or so! (I still love my foamcore trays the most---but these are working well for them!)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-May-2008/77048-PanP.jpg

I presented a program to an art organization across town several evenings ago---on Concept and Composition. I took several of the Pan Pastel paintings along with some traditional pastels and oils as examples for the points I wanted to make. Many had not seen the Pans before and while there were not a majority of pastel painters, they were really interested in them. As ever, was fun to share! Happy Painting!!! Donna ;-}

Adiro
05-16-2008, 10:06 AM
I'm back!
:)
After I got married at the end of March I managed to drift off Wet Canvas, especially because on several instances I tried to come by, it was too slow for my nerves! And at times it stopped loading althogether!
I am reading this wonderful thread BACKWARDS now, and I can't believe how big it got, it's gonna make history here on Wet Canvas for sure!!!!

So I still painted, and more so in the last two weeks since I managed to break a bone inside my left foot, a little bone that gives me lots of pain !

I am in awe at what you guys had painted lately, and Donna's saga with her students is good for a novel!

So many amazing paintings, I love too many of them to mention! I just can't keep up with everybody, my brain is trying to articulate but my impressions of the paintings I loved in this thread are all mingled and backwards, since I stared reading from the last post backwards on!

So wonderful! ( Ill keep it short since I don't want to mix up names and paintings :)

Donna, you keep it so alive!

Adiro
05-16-2008, 10:21 AM
I hit submit button before I finished, I wanted to say that funny enough I picked a kitty for a subject as well!

Donna, your kitty painting is fabulous, and your real kitty equally so! I love black kitties, I had one in my childhood and I still miss her! Her name was Mitzy Suzuki and she was an all black Birman with blue eyes, I still love her years after she's gone...

Anyway, last week I painted my sister's Kitty, and I tried PanPs mixes on Velour board from my Dakota sample pack! I enjoyed working it, even if the Sofft tools have a funny way of gripping the velour suface.
I finished the kitty with sticks though, so I 'm not sure this painting is qualified to be in this thread.
But I hope you like it anyway. Lately I diversified my interests, before I was only doing landscapes, now I try anything, including people and animals.

PeggyB
05-16-2008, 10:51 AM
Donna everyone is doing beautiful work in your classroom. Each of them is so uniquely their own. I bet you're really proud of their accomplishments.

Adiro your sister's cat is beautiful, and so is your painting of him/her? Such lovely expressive green eyes! I hope you've posted this in the pastel gallery too so those who don't normally look at this thread will be sure to see it there. It is good to see your work again.

Peggy

Donna A
05-16-2008, 01:21 PM
Hi, Peggy! Yes, I am very proud of the artists who study here at Aldridge Studios. And I so appreciate how each has his or her very own style! I think that is so important for each artist to develop or enhance their personal style and just hate to see occasions where, with some instructors, the artists come out like poor imitations. And then I just love (well, we all cheer) when one of the artists moves to a 'higher plateau' with their work! And/or when someone does an especially striking painting! And here---I think it's so useful to see how everyone is using their Pans in different ways. Very exciting and inspiring! And thank you, Peggy, on their behalf!

Hi, Adiro! So happy to hear from you again! I so thoroughly agree with Peggy's comments about your painting of your sister's cat! It is just marvelous! Very expressive and alive and rich! And absolutely wonderful to use a combination of Pans and sticks! I think they play beautifully together! And sometimes create great contrasts to each other in ways that give added interest and richness to our paintings. I do hope you will follow Peggy's suggestion to post in the pastel gallery here on WC---and send it and information about you and your to the Pan Pastel's gallery at www.PanPastel.com.

Looking forward to seeing more of your paintings! :)

And Peggy, you and I need to get a few more paintings done :rolleyes: but I know---your schedule is intense right now!!! Very best wishes, everyone! Donna ;-}

Wrichards
05-16-2008, 03:37 PM
Adiro - beautiful work and detail :) very nice to see.

In response to the picture Donna showed of the people stacking the PanPs. Originaly I 3-stacked them with the colour on top, shade in the middle and tint on bottom. this gave me a good compact grouping reducing the space needed to 1/3. however after a bit, I didnt like the fact of hunting a colour and was constantly unlocking the 3-stacks over and over. In the end I found it easier (at least for me) to have them in Donnas layout, all open and such. That with a small colour chart of all the colours layed out exactly in the same way I had the PanPs in my trays, makes the hunt for colours a snap. I am looking into the french mistress for my outings.... anyway back to the drawing board :)

oh forgot, I may have the opertunity to goto the Iowa State fair coming up. as this is pretty close to KC MO. I was wonding if anything was going on class or demo wise over there ;) ???

Rusla
05-16-2008, 03:57 PM
Donna, my how your students and their pics are flying along.

Adiro, congrats on your nuptuals and what wonderful detail in that pretty kitty. I could have easily have mistaken it for a photo.

Don't go breaking anymore bones. The only time I broke foot bones was when someone elses horse stomped on my feet.

Randi-Lee

Donna A
05-16-2008, 07:51 PM
Hi, Randi-Lee! Yes, they ARE flying along! Great way to put it! Is your recent show still hanging? Hope it has continued to go well! Certainly got off to a great start!

Adiro---I still have your kitty painting open on my screen. Enjoying it! I love looking at lovely paintings---and I wuv the widdo kits---my two and all the others! AND---I do hope your foot heals fast! Goodness!

Adiro - beautiful work and detail :) very nice to see.

In response to the picture Donna showed of the people stacking the PanPs. Originaly I 3-stacked them with the colour on top, shade in the middle and tint on bottom. this gave me a good compact grouping reducing the space needed to 1/3. however after a bit, I didnt like the fact of hunting a colour and was constantly unlocking the 3-stacks over and over. In the end I found it easier (at least for me) to have them in Donnas layout, all open and such. That with a small colour chart of all the colours layed out exactly in the same way I had the PanPs in my trays, makes the hunt for colours a snap. I am looking into the french mistress for my outings.... anyway back to the drawing board :)

oh forgot, I may have the opertunity to goto the Iowa State fair coming up. as this is pretty close to KC MO. I was wonding if anything was going on class or demo wise over there ;) ???

Hi, Richard! I so agree with you that it is sooo much easier to have all our Pans laid out---and in a well-organized pattern of relationships! What Dorothy and Shirley are able to do with the carrying container they both invested in, is have them all laid out in this order we are enjoying---and they can cart them into class and be set up in just a few minutes, putting almost half of the Pans onto the hinged lid area---then sitting one row of the Tints on the table in front of the box.

BUT---I still like our foamcore trays made to size (tho of course WE do have to make them!) Really easy for me to stack them on top of each other, lay on another tray with tools, a flat cover over that and a bungee cord---and I'm off and running. If I'm just carting from one studio to the other, I'll just stack them and go, without fastening. I like the small footprint the stack makes using trays built for 15 Pans each, but---what I may do for plein air painting is build two boxes that will hold 30 Pans each---and use the drawer on my French easel, pulled out, to lay my trays, as I do with my stick pastel travel set. There---since I'm usually using one main tray (the one with the Art Spectrum sticks,) I put that tray across the easel drawer, and the other two (with half sticks from other brands) usually on the ground next to me. I'll pull out a few colors from the other two trays now and then---and lay them in the extra space on my main tray. That has worked really well for me over the years. I might even make just one large tray for all 60 Pans---maybe with an extension for the tools---and something that, with a 'lid' bungee'd on tight, I could fasten in with my 28" to 30" foamcore backing board (with painting(s)) into the 'slot' where the painting fits into the french easel. With something like this, I've usually also bungee'd these 'extras' in place. Easy to carry all together. Hmmmmm---the more I think about it---the more attractive the single tray of 60 Pans becomes. Would be an instant set up for plein air! No fuss, no muss. Ok---more ponderings on that soon. And glad to hear others' thoughts! Great and creative minds and hearts here! :D

Richard, I looked up the Iowa State Fair dates---Aug. 7-17 in Des Moines! Des Moines is an easy 4-hour drive via I-35. I'm 3 blocks south of the intersection of I-35 and 635---so that gives you a rough idea on the map. It's Overland Park, Kansas---which is part of metropolitan Kansas City. There are many places in this city where you can not tell which state you are in. :) So--as to what is going on then---we'll still have classes thru that later week of the Fair, then a two-week break. No MAPS meetings in July or Aug. You'd surely be welcome in the classes and we could always cook up something else! Would love to meet you! One of our WC artists is coming up from Texas next month. Will be so good to work and visit with her! Had a ball with Peggy when she was here! My neighbors across the street were out of town when Peggy was here. John is a magnificent portrait artist who does CEOs and University presidents and such around the country. You'd love visiting his studio---and they are a delight! And some other artists whose work is so good to see! Did get Peggy to to Bev's place---which is amazing. Had the grand tour of both her paintings and collections of fascinating things from near and far. So---do let me know if it might work for you. Any of you are welcome to come visit if you are in the 'neighborhood!' We do have some fun around here!

Guess will have to wait till tomorrow to upload more paintings. Must go get ready to head out in a while! Take good care, all! Donna ;-}

PeggyB
05-16-2008, 08:53 PM
Hey Everyone I recommend you take Donna at her word and drop by her studio any time you're in her area. She's not only a terrific teacher (as though I needed to say that to anyone here), but she's also "the hostess with the mostess" and a delighful person... when not sicker than a dog.

Yes, Donna we really must get some of our own work done. Go read the weekly scumble to see what I was up to this afternoon!

Peggy

Rusla
05-19-2008, 01:35 PM
Donna, our show was only for about a day. However last year I was involved in a study at the Art College here. It is a very widely acclaimed college in the city, one I have never been able to afford to go to. They called me up and said that a business magazine was interested in me and a few others. They want us for a photo shoot tomorrow. So that is what is lined up now. Perhaps from this photo shoot bigger and better things may come.

Richard. I will take some pictures of the set up of my Mistress for the pans and post them on here. I have been waiting on my lids but I think I will just lay the pans out to show the setup without the lids.

Randi-Lee

Wrichards
05-20-2008, 12:42 PM
Thanks Randi :) Im very interested in seeing them. I realy want a portable like that. As is now I have them in thier wooden drawers with lids off and a sheet of paper over them, the fit is very snug which I like and dont feel they need any lids while in there. when I use them I pull the drawers out and lay them on top of my rollaway. I use a mechanics rollaway tool cabinet. I love this thing, got it from Costco, it has a huge top that opens up, where I have 2 Mathason (spelling) tupperware painting paletts. It has 4 drawers to hold all my paint tubes and below has a shelf for misc stuff. anyway Im rambling ;)

I idealy want the mistress to hold my PanPs in foam (so they dont move ) and with the tops off, covered by foamboard to help "Seal" them. Anyway enough of me rambling... I blame the coffee.......

Adiro
05-20-2008, 04:06 PM
Hi again!
I'm here to brag about my latest purchase ( undeclared to the family self-birthday gift :D ) I just got myself the starter set of 5 shades and 5 tints in pans, together with 4 others :) Now I get more and more interested in storage ideas, as I have over 30 PanPs and they don't fit anymore in the chocolate empty box where they were living before!
I'll have to search the thread for Donna's template of boxes, I know I've seen it somewhere! Slowly slowly I might reach sixty of them!

Richard, I would love to see a picture of that Costco cart you are mentioning, I am wondering if Costco here carries similar things to the American Costco... I start to have a storage issue,, and there's more pastles coming my way!

Wrichards
05-20-2008, 04:20 PM
heres the costco cart, the top lifts up and I have my painting palets there with towels etc. when I use PanPs I just lay the drawrs on top... theres plenty of storage etc space and the thing rolls easily... its an easy find at Costco cart with a "tool cart" search :)

http://i28.tinypic.com/2rm5a89.jpg

PeggyB
05-20-2008, 08:21 PM
What a nifty, compact storage unit for anyone who doesn't already have something similar. I think I'll let my students know about this as some of them were complaining about not having something to store all of there ever growing pastel supplies.

Thanks for sharing Richard.

Adiro, I do believe you are becoming a pastel junky! Keeping secret your "stash" of pastels. :lol: However, I must say from what I've seen of your work you are certainly deserving of this "addiction". Your paintings are beautiful.

Peggy

lpb
05-20-2008, 10:22 PM
I'll have to search the thread for Donna's template of boxes, I know I've seen it somewhere! Slowly slowly I might reach sixty of them!It's in post # 25 of this thread (# in upper right corner of each post).

Adiro
05-21-2008, 12:12 AM
Richard, thank you, that looks awesome, and it's on wheels too! I hope I can find something similar ( and affordable) here, I've seen similar carts in art stores at the easel department, but I can't cope with their prices

Peggy, shshsh, don't tell anybody about my secret stash ! My hubby would be mad to know, he just ordered me a full set of Art spectrum and few other goodies for my birthday! if he hears that's not enough....

LPB, thank you for locating it! I'll have to try building them one of these days!

Rusla
05-21-2008, 06:36 PM
Here is the Mistress setup for the Pans. On the left is a denim bag I made with compartments on top for the tools, in the big inside pocket I have all my ziplock bags with my different sponges in them. In the pocket in the bottom is where I put my ziplock bag with dirty sponges. My cat Princess Athena the Goddess Kitty is supervising the pans as you can see.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-May-2008/127469-Mistress1.jpg

On the right side on top of the pans and held in by the two straps, I put the cloth I use on a table on top of the pans and under the straps. This also helps protect them in transport. I put my apron on top of the the pans in the bottom.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-May-2008/127469-mistress2.jpg

Right now I am still waiting for more lids, so I have all my pans in the bottom part and some of them are doubled up. I put my apron on top to pad them.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-May-2008/127469-mistress3.jpg

I forgot to say the straps are 13" long leaving 2 inches each end for sewing them onto the 'D' rings. I also have eyelets in the back of the denim bag and they are held on with cup hooks screwed into the box. Four hooks for the straps and two for the bag.

Randi-Lee

Wrichards
05-22-2008, 12:24 AM
NICE! I can see adding a piece of foam for them to sit on and piece of foam board over the top to "seal" them in, that way no lids would be needed :) a couple of foam board trays for the sides and its exactly what im looking for.. THANKS for showing that pic, its exacly the info I was looking for :)

Rusla
05-22-2008, 12:59 AM
Your welcome.
I never thought of the foamcore lids but that would also work.
And your cat would enjoy sitting in the foam trays too.

Randi-Lee

Adiro
05-22-2008, 08:48 AM
Wow, this is elegant! Finally I see what the Mistress is all about!
Before I thought the Mistress must be something made of red satin with black leather accents or something :D

Rusla
05-22-2008, 12:57 PM
Adiro, don't forget the whip and high boots.

Actually red satin and black leather would be quite elegant. Gee maybe I should cover the box in that...lol.

Randi-Lee

Donna A
05-23-2008, 03:40 AM
Hi, everyone! You all have been so busy! Yea! Me, too! I love reading about all the sharing you have been doing! Richard's cart! And Randi-Lee's Mistress carrier (and cat!) Adiro and Randi-Lee---arrr arrr arrr! :lol: Thank you, Lorraine, for finding and noting the template for the boxes on post #25! And Peggy for backing-up my seriousness about folks visiting!

I have a few photos from class this last week. And realized when I was fussing with them in PhotoShop to crop and square up, etc---that--drat!---I forgot to photo Vicki's white peonies from class today. She usually comes for private sessions since she 9-5's and often travels out of town on her job---but she had today available and joined us in class---and it was really good to have her with us---and she will do so next Monday on Memorial Day when Bev has invited us to do plein air again in her gorgeous garden with pond and surrounding woods and lovely lawns. (Please that it doesn't rain, as is possibly forecast.)

Here is the latest photo on Bonnie's man in India. Yes, she worked on it more after I took this photo. I'm loving the feel of the water on the surface to the left. We keep discovering things in the photo---and the fact that that was water causing the dark pattern on the stone surface the man is sitting on was a recent revelation! Helps knowin' what it is when painting it! So---in that pool of water, it's a reflection of the leg of the standard holding the pot at the man's shoulder level along the left side of the painting. Ahhhh! :) This is really progressing as a very rich painting!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-May-2008/77048-BW-India-3.jpg


Here is a photo of Bonnie in the background and Shirley in the foreground working on their paintings. You can see Bonnie leaning back and studying some aspect of her subject in the photo, with her painting behind her. Shirley is laying in some of the first color on her painting of white peonies from my garden.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-May-2008/77048-Man-India.jpg

Here is a photo from a different angle showing Shirley's gorgeous drawing of the white peonies with the set up in the back ground. Her charcoal drawing was just delicious all by itself!!! It's on Colourfix Olive Green.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-May-2008/77048-Shirley-White_Peonies-drawing.jpg

And the photo of of the peonies:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-May-2008/77048-Shirley-White_Peonies-photo.jpg

Here is the finished piece---which Shirley had a bit over two hours to work on by the time the set up was cut from the garden, arranged and then lighted. I don't think the rich beauty of this painting even begins to show in this photo. We were all just thrilled by it. Very striking IRL! Shirley used a slightly lighter, more golden 'glow' color around some of the peony areas to set them off even more from the back ground and still integrate them with the surrounding paper which worked beautifully with the painting. One of the many things I have always liked so much about the Cfix is that the surface just merges so beautifully with our pastels when left bare.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-May-2008/77048-Shirley-White_Peonies-fin.jpg

And then a detail of the center flower. Yummmm! (And pardon that this photo is out of focus.) It's so bold and so fresh---very painterly. Layers built up richly in some areas and others, a single, well-loaded layer laid on. Very direct. We enjoyed watching Shirley's process!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-May-2008/77048-Shirley-White_Peonies-detail.jpg

Here's another peony painting from last week---again from my garden---these in a crystal vase with three yellow apples on a satin pale pink-ish fabric. I'm not thrilled with the way the background---or even some of the treatment of the foreground fabric was treated---but I love the glow of the peonies, crystal and apples! Again, very direct, bold striking stokes. Those very deep red peonies were quite spectacular in real life AND in Shirley's painting. She did them great honor. I really look forward to them blooming every year! Ahhhh! We've painted that vase so many times---and I really reconize it here. She did a great job on it, as well! :)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-May-2008/77048-Shirley-3_DeepRed_Peonies.jpg

Oh, here's a photo of them from a different angle. They don't look nearly as glorious here as they really (sniff) were! Ahhhh---another 11 months and several weeks till they bloom again! :rolleyes:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-May-2008/77048-Shirley-DeepRed_Peonies-photo.jpg

Here is the near finish of Susan's dogwood. Here again---the photo does not even begin to do justice to the strikingness of the actual painting. She really made this photo work. Can't remember where Susan took it, but it was 'back east.' This required such subtle handling of the various "whites." She tried several different 'feels' for some of the background areas---and is one of those examples of 'Not Settling!" There is more variation on the tree trunk, though rather subtle---and I suspect here it will show as just very near flat black rather than the deep warm browns with a few glowing touches of deep red oxide along with mellow suggestions of bark textures.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-May-2008/77048-Susan-Dogwood-2.jpg

And last for now---Dorothy's in-progress painting from last week on a lush 9x12" piece of wine red velour. I love the way the sky just glows! She's just started laying in the dark green conifer and some of the red land. She didn't seem to have much trouble working with the Pans on the velour. She loads her sponges pretty well and was intending (I asked her) to create a lot of texture. She has a lot of color variation within her textures---part of it from picking up great variations in color---and part from the way she applied the color on this surface. Here in this photo---the yummy glow does indeed seem to show nearly as well as it did IRL.

Now---I'm realizing I also did not photo the work Bev did today on her Roman sculpture painting on LaCarte. She went back to her Pans after having worked with sticks a few weeks ago. This has been sitting back while she worked on her pup and then the different peony set ups (which she did in sticks.) Maybe she's finished with it now. We'llllll see. :D Photos of this and Bonnie's man from India before long. :rolleyes:

Look forward to seeing what you all have been doing. Take good care! Donna ;-}

Rusla
05-23-2008, 01:33 PM
Donna, the man from India is really looking excellent.
So are Shirley's flowers. Truly excellent work.

Adiro, I almost thought of making a red leather bag for the inside of my Mistress but I wanted something washable and using up my good leather for that was not a good idea.

Randi-Lee

Wrichards
05-23-2008, 04:55 PM
heres a work in progress about 10x14 or so... a few more details but you get the idea.. PanPs on colourfixed primer board...

CCs welcome, thanks for looking :wave:

http://i28.tinypic.com/qodst0.jpg

Adiro
05-23-2008, 05:12 PM
Donna , these paintings are so beautiful! You have very talented students, they're so fortunate to be able to learn from you!!!!

I am a little confused by the white spots on the Indian man's face ( nose bridge) but than he also looks like his hands are dipped in something white, so I don't know...
The peonies are breathtaking, and so is the crystal vase! I understand what you mean about the background, have to agree!
I'm so happy you ( and the others) are keeping this thread alive, it's very entertaning and informative!

Adiro
05-23-2008, 05:16 PM
Richard, just when I thought I' m done with the forum for today, you posted in the same time as I did!
I had to stay a little longer, just to tell you how much I like your painting! you did an amazing job and it's such a complicated scene! I love all the different textures and colors that you achieved!

I wish the fence door was ajar... I want to get in!

Wrichards
05-23-2008, 06:49 PM
haha, thats the trick isnt it ;)

thanks for the comment Adiro, Ill post the final when I detail and fix a couple things...

Wrichards
05-23-2008, 08:11 PM
The final, didnt want to over work it, Loving these PanPs :)

http://i30.tinypic.com/2dim1y0.jpg

By the way, If Im posting too much in this thread please let me know, I dont cry easily ;)

Donna A
05-24-2008, 10:10 PM
Hi, Richard! Lovely new painting!!! I agree with Adiro about loving all the different textures and colors! And it looks like you added shadows along the edging of the left side of the sidewalk in front of the gate so that is is not so noticeable that it changes angles from the expected continuous straight line behind the wall/gate, which I was beginning to write a bit about yesterday (and got utterly sidetracked with other issues in the meantime!) I tend to "open out" walkways, roads, paths, waterways, etc. a bit more in the front to 'gather in' and bring the viewer even more into the middle area of the painting and, at the same time, giving an even greater sense of depth and space thru the change in scale from the width in the foreground to the width beyond.

I think this works fine the way you finished it, but I probably would make sure in another work that the line of vertical wall edges would be a bit more different than the foreground walkway edges. It would give more variety as well as sense of space and depth.

I so enjoy the diagonals you have with the lower lines of the left's fuschia shrubs "vs" the lines of the iris-looking leaves on the right side foreground. I really enjoy the "grid" you've made with the gate and wall edges (very geometric) playing off against so many diagonals which are also very organic! Lovely variety that adds to the richness along with the reds and greens and lights and darks, the more solid surfaces played off against the rich textures. The shadow patterns along the walkway make another great set of shapes that unify with other darks plus carry through from the far-middle distance to the foreground and let one side of the walk-way vary so interestingly from the other side! And I have enjoyed the squarish-oval area of the gate having the gently striking vertical light/dark panels occurring about one-third into the left side of that gate detail. Really makes for an interesting heart of the painting. While the strongest value contrast occurs at the left side of the wall with the dark foliage areas behind it (normally considered the earmark for the Center of Interest, I do find myself drawn to that area of the gate---where, I notice there is a very small but strong bit of dark that really dives into the distance behind the lights of the gate accents and the wall beside it. Your tiles are so beautifully suggested.

And yes---aren't these PanP's a great marvel to work with! I, too, love them! As sooo many of us do!

Richard, perhaps you might send an image of this painting to the Pan Pastel Gallery at panpastel.com. Send along your name, the title, size, materials including the surface worked on and any notes you might want to share with Berni and Ladd. They will be glad to see this, I'm sure!

And---LOL!!!!!---as far as posting toooo much on THIS thread---there ain't no such animal! :D This is such a sharing thread! And we are loving seeing your images! Keep 'em coming, along with your comments. And---I gotta say---this thread has also :p taken on a bit of my own general 'silliness' at moments---and lets me think I'm not the only silly person on the planet. (I love the company!) :heart: :lol: :clap: Donna ;-}

Donna A
05-24-2008, 10:12 PM
Hi, Randi-Lee! Thank you for Bonnie and Shirley!

Hi, Adiro! And I'm sooo fortunate to be able to work with such creative, exciting artists! I love it!

The white spots on the Indian man's face are patterns he has painted on his face, along with some red and, if I remember correctly, a bit of black---not unlike people in some other cultures do in both America and Africa and other areas of the world. Bonnie has roughed in the hands slightly, but I urged her to move into the surrounding areas and come back to the hands later once she had the other areas of the painting also roughed in. We've been working with developing an alternative habit for her from working intensely in just one area, many, many, many layers and nuances in a small area. So---this is a bit of a victory for her! Yes, the hands want much more love and care---but---happily, I think they will be even easier for her to finish with these other areas now developed. I'm really proud of her to be taking on the challenge of moving beyond a way of working that let her have some frustrations that she did not need to have. Wow! She's a remarkable gourmet cook and meticulous at whatever she does. We're trying to bring some of her finest working habits that she has in her cooking to her painting! It's something I've found out with many people---that we have wonderfully-developed patterns in one area and that if we can recognize them and then also recognize 'non-helpful' patterns in how we do our paintings, we can apply the one to the other. It has been useful for many artists!

Shirley has really jumped to a lovely new plateau lately---and things have come together for her in so much of her work. Very exciting to see! I'm loving the boldness that is coming out of her! Wow!

Glad you and others are enjoying this thread. I keep learning new things about Pan Pastels and I think it's so good to see what others are doing. A lot to keep learning for everyone! Along with a bit of fun and entertainment along the way! Good for us! :clap: Take good care, all! Donna ;-}

Wrichards
05-24-2008, 10:55 PM
Thanks very much Donna for the time for your response it helps TONS :)

Quick one I did today...
Well pastels lead to the mandatory Ballerina Dancer so heres my attempt at a PanP version

6x12 on gator board w/colourfix primer...

CCs welcome... Thanks for looking :wave:
http://i32.tinypic.com/qzqhw9.jpg

Rusla
05-25-2008, 02:31 AM
Geez Richard, those pictures are are absolutely stupendous.
How did you find the gatorboard with colourfix primer on it? I did not like the gatorboard by itself for the PP's.

Randi-Lee

Wrichards
05-25-2008, 11:16 AM
Thanks Randi :)
I used the Primer and "gessoed" it on. Its such a firm flat light support, I like it alot. I used the "Blue Haze" colour which is a blu/gry. I got a rose grey on order also for warmer under colour. all in all i like it I can coat anything pretty much...

Rusla
05-25-2008, 01:21 PM
I agree the board is very light. I may get another piece and try it your way, I sure did not like it the way it is naturally. It eats your sponges up like a shark.

Randi-Lee

Wrichards
05-25-2008, 01:27 PM
I agree the board is very light. I may get another piece and try it your way, I sure did not like it the way it is naturally. It eats your sponges up like a shark.

Randi-Lee

Actualy its not bad, you can thin it out with some water as you spread it and reduce the amount of "tooth" a bit. and the sponge tips are so cheap and Ive got about 100 from all the pans.. It WAY better than the Cansons I was using and nowhere near the aprasiveness of the Wallis... anyway once I figure out what support Ill use as my main Ill be happier, Im still trying to find the right one for me.... :)

Donna A
05-25-2008, 10:40 PM
Hi, Richard! I just love the way you lay on the Pans! Always so rich looking! The ballerina surely shows some great handling. As a painting, not my favorite of yours, but you did create very diaphaneous white fabrics and such an airy stirring background. Your fine 'bits' are so well done, as is so much of the reflection, tho it is sooo rare that the lighting and reflecting surface gives back a perfect match (such as on the show/legs. And the extended leg looks a bit like it's shortened to fit on to the paper.

Still---the initial impact does have a wonderful, airy moving feel---and that is so important. With so many long, warm limbs against a cool background, I'd probably try (on a more formal painting) to find ways to loose some of the arm/leg edges to mellow into the surroundings.

Really nice the way you handled the 'horizon' line. Very strong and powerful! And you did a great job of drawing/painting a reflection! I do like your handling of her torso's back on the reflection more than I'm enjoying looking at it on the upper 'version.'

Lot of really fine things! And a few others.

Cool using the Colourfix Primer on the Gatorboard! The Blue Haze is such a great color! And I love the Rose Grey. When I first saw it years ago, I was soooo ho-hum just looking at it! But the first time I used it ("anyway") I fell in love with it. Just goes ta show ya---or me! :D Speaking of being able to coat pretty much anything---I found that it was a fabulous ground on frames, as well! I love using it when I'm refurbing a frame. I did a program for MAPS showing a number of different examples of putting it to different uses, and had asked several of our members to come over with old frames that needed 'new love' and OH! the things we fixed up! One of them, one fellow had some old frames from a friend's attic---and we stripped off the linen from one liner---and then just painted the liner with the Soft Umber Cfix Primer---and Mike just loved it! Me, too! He used it just like that---and it ended up looking gorgeous. We primed one of his frames with Terra Cotta---a rather wide frame---then did graded glazes of oil paint from inside to out to pick up the major colors in one of Mike's paintings---a dark burnt cinnamon to a dark plum to a dark violety brown. Stunning!!!!!! The Terra Cotta gave such a remarkable glow coming from underneath---and held on to the glazes in such a delicious way! I've even primed old metal frames with a Primer color to match the Cfix paper color that shows thru bits of the painting---and it's striking. The texture just as it dries gives a great finish on a simple edging that was once a (sometimes) rather unappealing shiny and perhaps cheap-looking finish. Just something else to ponder. ;)

Great that you are experimenting. I think that is sooo important! We need to find which shoe "fits best." :) Cfix keeps doing it for me, with alllll the other things I've tried and tried and tried. Just as long as we find something that really works for us each! That's what's important!

Wrichards
05-25-2008, 10:54 PM
Thanks Donna, you right, the size was a bit small for me to controll all I wanted with my current skill level with the PanPs. I painted them in a horizontal orintation so again my perception/perspective was a bit off. oh well at least I got the obligitory pastel ballerina outa my head ;) and Ill only get better :)

off to the next one.. and again thanks to all for your coments and insightful suggestions :)

Donna A
05-28-2008, 04:08 AM
Hi, Richard! My pleasure!

And Hi, everyone! Here are a couple of paintings from Monday class. We had planned to go up to Bev's house to paint in her gorgeous garden! Always a treat---but RAIN, big time---that of course cleared offff by early afternoon. But we had some lovely peonies from my garden again.

Shirley did a gorgeous painting. My photo of it is soooo lacking! I MUST get back to taking the time to set the White Balance. So pardon! At least you will get an idea! First, the photo of the set up. Yes---using the same crystal vase. Added some variegated Solomon's Seal stems to the peony foliage, too, tho don't think they are all that noticeable, perhaps (noon and "10 o'clock" locations in bouquet visible from this angle.)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-May-2008/77048-Shirley-pink:white_peonies-photo.jpg

Shirley, her drawing and early stages of her painting. Very strong, simple drawing. Very strong! Blue Haze Colourfix 20x28.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-May-2008/77048-Shirley-pink-white_peonies-1.jpg

Middle stage and then the nearly-finished piece. You can see with teh second piece how Shirley is building the painting from the center areas of the main peonies and then outward. It was important on this lighter painting to establish a lot of the darks of the foliage so that she could make well-founded choices in her values as she proceeded thru the painting. A lot of artists will get so caught up in one area and make 'finished' judgments without a full range of the subjects values, and therefore make some often-unsuccessful choices. Something really useful to stay aware of always as we paint.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-May-2008/77048-Shirley-pink-white_peonies-2.jpg

This is nearly finished. Really, really, really---it does just glow. And the greens have a lot of subtly rich variety and here, they are looking (on my computer) a bit 'heavy.' The background is 'lightweight' in that it seems to vibrate out of the distance and around the vase and bouquet. The white peony shape needs to be re-formed a bit. The vase---yep---that's that vase! Really nice, strong, simple treatment to get a very appropriate effect! So---how do you paint cut crystal??? First---you look at it. Get the feel of the pattern, of the lights and darks---really look at what's going on visually! That's actually "how to paint most anything" for the most part---when you want representational. And then we create from there!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-May-2008/77048-Shirley-pink-white_peonies-3.jpg

By the way---Shirley did this in a bit under two hours! Pretty amazing. Strong, direct and full of vigor and energy and color and casual elegance. And---she really sculpted the apples, as well. Guess you already noticed that. :D

Vicki was able to paint with us Monday!!! She had the day off, always before working in private sessions because of her job schedule. She really enjoyed being able to work with the others! And vice versa! Now---of course she ends up with one of THE most difficult flowers to paint---a white peony of the 'bomb' shape. Nuthin' but petals comin' attcha! From every direction! I don't have a photo from quite the direction Vicki was painting. It's a bit more over to the right, but gives you a great idea of the white peony. The shadows were luscious, delicate blues and the 'heart' of the bomb shape was very warm mid-deep yellows---far more elegant that what shows in my quick snap, tho you get the idea. Vicki did a pretty good job of setting up the warms and cools of the white---and had a good drawing overall, which I did not get photoed.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-May-2008/77048-white_peonies-photo.jpg

In the first painting photo, you can see her first strong light pink petal of the upper flower---along with strong beginnings of the yellow center for the pink---and the warm core for the white. She's laid in some of the surrounding green foliage, too. Vicki is working on a quarter-sheet of Aubergine. Really nice composition for her exercise with these flowers. It's often hard for artists to chose a good composition when they are wanting to do only a few select blooms in a bouquet. This is a really good example of an energetic and strong design! You can see the bouquet just beyond her painting---tho very, very washed out in the strong light.

Vicki did a great job of setting up the shadow areas of the white peony. but she did not get too far with the lighter shaded areas, as you'll see in the other photo. And would have worked to have a bit more transitional colors between the warm lights and cool shadows. But when we are taking on something really challenging---we often have to try several different approaches to find a way that really works for us. So she was doing a good job of experimenting---with some of it working for her and some, not.

I think it's really important for everyone to understand as we are taking on a subject that is new and that is particularly challenging, that we not feel to bad when it does not work. That can quelle experiments---which so often lead to wonderful discoveries, including sometimes what does not work and what does! So---with that thought in mind, here is her earlier part of the painting.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-May-2008/77048-white_peonies-1.jpg

The pink peony is working so far in the painting below---and I really like looking at the center section of the white peony---but the shadow area is not working yet. She does have a couple of areas in the shadows that are really nice, but other areas that still don't work---or that she has not gotten to yet. She did take photos, so I hope they turn out well and that she can proceed working with them.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-May-2008/77048-white_peonies-2.jpg

She's captured the general energy of each of the peonies and shows their very different characteristics. That's really important---and Vicki has always been much more interested in painting loose and expressively.

OK---one last photo! Bonnie was working later on on the lettering on the yellow sign on the post holding up the stone layer that the man is sitting on. She has recently invested in some pastel pencils, so decided to try them for the lettering that was, in some areas, very long and narrow in shapes. So---she was needing to get down to the very lowest parts of the painting---and we got a big cushion for her so she could kneel without destroying her knees. We alll had so much fun with how Bonnie loves painting so much that she..... :D Yes, we're all very silly and have a lot of fun laughing with each other!!! :lol: It's great! Don't know how well it shows, but Bonnie is on her knees (on cushy cushion) at her easel! Now---there is a dedicated painter! I caught her as she had just rolled her hand over and is palm up, holding the black pencil as she considers her next stroke.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-May-2008/77048-BW-India-4-lettering.jpg

You can see the outside of the red studio door upper left. It was such a lovely day and we had the door open. Ahhhh! That's alllll for now, folks! Hope you are having a lovely time painting! Enjoy!!! Donna ;-}

PeggyB
05-28-2008, 11:56 AM
Donna these are such lovely paintings! Darn I wish I was back in your studio painting along with everyone... So much inspiration and encouragement abounds within that room!

No sunshine or peonies here - just rain, overcast, and peonies that may or may not ever fully open. However, my bearded iris managed to open yesterday, and so far the darned slugs haven't noticed them...

Peggy

Namaste13
05-28-2008, 12:38 PM
Where does a Canadian order/buy PanPastels? Thanks

Rusla
05-29-2008, 12:41 AM
Hi Namaste13, the place to buy and order Pan Pastels in Calgary is at Kensington Art Supply on 10 ST.NW just slightly north of Kensington Road NW.
They have all the colours, sets, and tools there. That is like my hang out...I am too old to hang out at 7-11.


Donna, those pictures are so very good. I love looking at them they are so good.

Randi-Lee

Donna A
05-30-2008, 03:30 AM
Hi, everyone! We had a marvelous time in class this afternoon! We painted plein air at Bev's. Gorgeous day! Gorgeous surroundings. Vicki was able to join us again (taking the afternoon off work) and I wanted to show you her set up, which worked really well. I'll start with the whole scene with her easel, table and her view. She worked in the shade of a large flowering tree---and often the large fluffs of clouds covered the sun, so a lot of my pictures don't show some of the striking sunshine we had much of the time. Then a close up view of her Pans that are in the cardboard flats she found that happened to fit 30 each of the Pans. The two flats are held in place with the bungee cord she uses to fasten the cardboard lids on the two flats and hold them together into one 'bundle.' One of the lids was slid under the flats to enlarge the table top space for her to lay the tools. This was her first day of using her new aluminum table, so it was her first forray into working how best to make things work. I photoed the cover of the table, too in case you are interested in finding one. She said it cost no more than $15 or $20 and she found it at Walmart. it's pretty lightweight and easy to set up. Pretty easy to carry and very stable.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-May-2008/77048-BevsGarden-Vicki-Easel-View.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-May-2008/77048-BevsGarden-VickisPans.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-May-2008/77048-BevsGarden-VickiTableBox.jpg

This is an early stage of Vicki's painting of wisteria climbing the west wall of Bev's deck that extends out over the pond. There is a flower bed that curves around the side of the deck and then along the pond edge.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-May-2008/77048-BevsGarden-Vicki.jpg

This is a view of the lake perpendicular to the direction that Vicki was looking. The pond was at her right side as she was painting.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-May-2008/77048-BevsGarden-Roses-Lake.jpg

And here is the wisteria trailing over the wall of the deck on the inside. Yum! Vicki said this was what had really captured her heart---but she did not want to stand all afternoon in the sun---so that is why she worked on the opposite side of the wall with the larger mass of the wisteria. It IS gorgeous!!!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-May-2008/77048-BevsGarden-WisteriaEastSide.jpg

Here is Karen beginning her painting.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-May-2008/77048-BevsGarden-Karen.jpg

And this is the general scene and to the left after she had finished. It's so lovely!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-May-2008/77048-BevsGarden-Sukai.jpg

This is a view looking the opposite direction next to the screened in porch and heading up to the level where the deck begins and runs to the left and up a few steps to the right toward the living room. Bev's house is pretty amazing. Peggy has visited there and had the grand tour. The gardens were asleep when Peggy was here.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-May-2008/77048-BevsGarden-WalkByScreenPorch.jpg

And here are two pictures of Bev's geese---a mommy and daddy and 5 little goslings! They are sooo cute. All fluffy--about 6 weeks old. The parents were working at teaching them to fly again today. They'll run along to surface of the water, flapping their wings to 'roll model.' The babies still don't have their flying wings, but is so interesting to see what the mom and dad are showing them already.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-May-2008/77048-Baby.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-May-2008/77048-BevsGarden-Geese-Shore.jpg

I took so many pictures again---but this is enough for now. Hope you enjoyed them---even if I did realize afterwards that I took them all at a very dark setting after the still life pics from yesterday for which I had adjusted the camera so the lights would not be washed out! duh! :rolleyes: Even with adjustments, they didn't come out quite as lovely as they would have IF.... :p It was such a lovely day. We'll go back again for classes next week when weather permits. Bev lives around the corner and south two blocks, so is sooo nice for it to be so close. Folks can come to the studio and get an easel and/or foldable table if they need one and take it up and easy to bring right back afterwards. Take good care, y'all! Donna ;-}

Tressa
05-30-2008, 08:44 AM
Hi Donna! What a beautiful garden, and you guys are so lucky to go there to paint! Such easy access that Bev lives so close! I would be in heaven if I had a garden like that to hang in every day!!
Here are two of the pics I did with Pans in Provence. Tres

This is Roussillon, the "red village". I used some softies over the top for texture.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-May-2008/76189-Provence_May_08_001.jpg
The second is a field I found, and is done with all Pans...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-May-2008/76189-Provence_May_08_006-2.jpg

Adiro
05-30-2008, 08:47 AM
Donna, this is so gorgeous! I love the way you keep us all updated, and I love the extra pictures that you take! Take more, it almost makes me feel like I'm part of all that fun you are having!

I meant to reply earlier, as Richard did such an amazing job on the ballerina, and all the others are fantastic! but I've been busy....

Peonies are among my favourite flowers, and your student painted them beautifully!

I have to admit I look at in envy, as I was never able to try painting plein aire myself I keep on wishing, but I don't have any equipment ( or the guts, for that matter..)

Actually, my chosen birthday gift ( a full set or Art Spectrum in the wood box) was chosen with plein aire in mind, as I imagined that a wood box would be perfect for outdoors and usable as a paper support as well....

well, I got it yesterday and it's gorgeous, but so heavy and relativelly clumsy, and the bottom tray is not removable... totally unrelated to PanPs thread, I know, sorry....

And to make the matter worse, I'll keep on going as to why I haven't painted in 5 days... I got my second birthday gift , and I feel like posting it here, as I know that there are a few of you who love them as well...

so here it comes, hope you don't mind...

Adiro
05-30-2008, 08:54 AM
And now, that I managed to proudly show you why I haven't painted ( too busy supervising and socializing my big Dobbie with the kitty), I'll actually post my latest Pan P painting.

It was done on Wallis, from my own pictures,

Started in PanPs, completed with sticks.... Actually the texture is very interesting in real life, as the Pan areas are really smooth, and the stick areas area bold and textured... big stormy clouds, in the Andean mountains
hope you like it.. thank you

Adiro
05-30-2008, 08:58 AM
Tressa, you posted while I was posting! I get to see your paintings only now! They are beautiful and so bright! I love the geometry of the first one, and the second one is so overall beautiful! Your clouds are outstanding!

Namaste13
05-30-2008, 12:54 PM
Hi Namaste13, the place to buy and order Pan Pastels in Calgary is at Kensington Art Supply on 10 ST.NW just slightly north of Kensington Road NW.
They have all the colours, sets, and tools there. That is like my hang out...I am too old to hang out at 7-11.


Donna, those pictures are so very good. I love looking at them they are so good.

Randi-Lee

Thanks so much. I'll check it out. Cheers

Tressa
05-30-2008, 02:26 PM
adiro, thanks... I was not all that pleased with these, but it was on location, so I can redo and maybe do better.
I really like your painting, the sky is wonderful and the landscape has so much movement!
Tres

Rusla
05-30-2008, 05:40 PM
Namaste 13, you are very welcome.

Adiro, what an adorable gift. I ran it past the Princess here and she says that is a cute kitten, a Nirmal type of kitten. If anyone would know it would be my Princess, she was as cute now as she was shen she was a kitten. Does that cutie pie know that it will be immortalized in a painting?

Randi-Lee

Donna A
05-30-2008, 07:29 PM
Hi, Tres! Oh, I'm really enjoying your Provence paintings! They have 'The Look!' I've enjoyed seeing in works of other friends who have painted there. Yum! :) I like the very warm orangy-golden reds aainst the far cooler pinky reds with the reds of the tile roofs. Great variation in shapes and sizes and angles! And every window has a quiet supportive personality. Looks ike you must have been having a lot of fun! :D And your field with houses and hillside is lovely, too, with that hot golden undertone running throughout the lower portion and the very cool sky in contrast. More great shapes. Really like the feel of the sky! Thanks for sharing these! And--maybe don't go fussing with these toooo much!

Consider saving them as is---as a pure moment of expressing the joy of being there! And perhaps start new paintings from any photos you took, filled out with your memories.

Now---I'd love to hear about how you traveled with the Pans--and other related things. How did you set up? What kind of equipment for both your Pans and sticks. I think a lot of artists would love to hear more about how you handled all this and how it worked for you---and what you might add for another trip, etc. I know that's asking a lot, but when you have a bit of time to share anything with us that you could, it would be very much appreciated! We just have not hear that much about traveling with these yet---and that reminds me that I need to get Bonnie to comment a bit more on her traveling with these to Costa Rica this winter. She got very busy right after getting back---and is off to Chicago this week---and has had several other trips. No moss growing under that gal's feet! :-) MAPS has a plein air painting day at the big Overland Park Arboretum tomorrow. If it does not rain furiously. Jury still out on that one. Guess we'll just all get ready and then see what things look like tomorrow morning! :-)

Well---delightful pieces, Tres! Thank you!

Hi, Adiro![/B] Awwwww! What a darling little new kitten! I'm glad you are enjoying the 'extra' garden pictures! Good for you---and I hope everyone---to feel like you are part of the fun! You ARE---even though not walking along side! Yes, Richard had been doing some lovely pieces!

I do hope you thoroughly enjoy your Art Spectrum pastels. Yes, I, too, really really really wish the bottom tray would lift out! And ANY wooden box with a fairly large set of pastels is heavy! Yet there are many, many artists who haul the AS box in to class here every week! And/or other big boxes. (Think of the time it saves not also having to run to the gym to do weightlifting!) --- For travel, I break my colors in half and it cuts down on nearly half the weight. And---I've made my foamcore travel box (it's illustrated on Post #25.) Except for the bottom tray not lifting out, it does turn out to be a pretty handy box in the long run. And I think it is sooo pretty with that deep burgandy/burnt orange wood. And---it's related enough, in that it turns out the Art Spectrum company is the one that is importing and distributing the Pan Pastels in Australia. So--practically family! And considering the Pans do so beautifully on the Colourfix---it does turn out to be a great match.

I can understand how a new kitten can take some time that you'd be using for painting otherwise for a while. When do we get to see a painting of your new darling, tho???? Your last cat painting was soooo fabulous! Just marvelous! Please, please---you MUST send that painting to the Pan Pastel Gallery. I was telling Berni about your painting today. Send your name, painting title, size and materials, including support to Berni at PanPastel.com!

Ah---a new landscape! Wonderful rolling textures and shapes! I enjoy the way there is such an active movement tumbling "horizontally" (so to speak!) while I am so definitely pulled forward into the distant heart of the landscape. Great movement! Yea! (Hopefully, the line of pale foliage of the white flowers varies just a bit more IRL, so that it does not make such a strong line between the two darks above and below. Still it's wonderful the way that shape varies so well as all the othes do! And love the way some of the white flowers nod and bob above their line of folilage with in other areas they are flourishing well inside the foliage areas. Beautifully effective and exctiing! Great sky! Great mountains! Wonderful, inviting movement throughout! And another nice piece to send to the Pan Pastel Gallery! Take good care! Donna ;-}

Adiro
05-30-2008, 08:05 PM
Rusia, thank Princess for approval :) my Puffball is Himalayan, but just from a lady that has many cats, not from breeders... He's 7 weeks old now and a living toy he is... not the most approved gift ( by my hubby) but more approved than a Saint Bernard ( that was my other wish..., couldn't get it at this time) but hubby was an angel of generosity, letting me chose my gift, and I still managed to trip over his budget :lol:

Ah, Donna, thank you for taking the time to interact with all of us! We here at WC probably eat up all your time between lessons and breakfast, lunch and dinner ! But this thread gives me joy every time I come back to it!

I shed a tear and I broke all my Art Spectrums in half, half for usage, half for storage, I do this with all my pastels. The box is totally lovely, and it did play a role in choosing them. Ill figure out a way to use it plein air soon! I have not even tried the colors yet!

I'll try to post something at the PanPs website sometimes, I tried before but I got behind with some computer setting that they were asking for, that I can't understand..

Yes, the painting has a more hues than it can be seen here, I am not too good with pictures in spite of having a really good camera... need to learn it more, need to paint better too

Tressa
05-31-2008, 07:59 AM
[Now---I'd love to hear about how you traveled with the Pans--and other related things. How did you set up? What kind of equipment for both your Pans and sticks. I think a lot of artists would love to hear more about how you handled all this and how it worked for you---and what you might add for another trip, etc. I know that's asking a lot, but when you have a bit of time to share anything with us that you could, it would be very much appreciated! We just have not hear that much about traveling with these yet---and that reminds me that I need to get Bonnie to comment a bit more on her traveling with these to Costa Rica this winter]


Thanks Donna. No, I will not be "fiddling" with these...I will do new paintings. These are as they are, and I learned from them. The light is totally different there, and the greens are hard to capture!

As to traveling with the Pans...First, my sticks are in a Guerilla box, which attaches to the tripod. I used a small wheeled suitcase to put the box, supplies, the Pans, paper, etc...and checked it thru to France. Tripod went into larger piece of luggage, along with my clothes:p so I had only my carry on and purse to deal with.
I must say I cheated a bit with the Pans, as I couldn't figure a good way to take everything and still have room. So, I kept them all screwed together, and took several flat pieces of foamcore. when I arrived I made new boxes, used them there, then discarded and packed the Pans back together.
While there, the wheeled luggage was great to handle bumpy cobbles, narrow sidewalks, fields, etc..I put the guerilla box in the main compartment, along with watercolors, and all the small stuff, and the boxes of pans in the front zipper panel, hung the tripod over the handle and I was ready to go. When I set up the box, it opens up with to panels on each side; my sticks go here, and I usually had a place to put the pan boxes;ie...wall, bench,etc...or I just laid on top of my sticks...
Not too much problem, but I think would have been helpful to have a small folding table, stool, something...I painted in the hotel courtyard one day, and I used a table there to place them.
All in all, not too bad, and both the pans, and the sticks made the trip with no accidents, however, if you do travel with them screwed together, make sure they are tightly screwed, and will not jostle, as they will loosen.
Tres

Rusla
05-31-2008, 11:38 AM
Very interesting, Tres. I suppose if I was to travel with my pans I would screw them together and put them back in my old small camera case, as is heavily padded and all.

I would not take them in the mistress as it is too heavy. I also thought about scewing the pans together and wrapping them in clothing or towels and putting them in the big suitcase for travelling to other places.
I will see if I get back to Cuba this year and if that will work.

Randi-Lee

Wrichards
05-31-2008, 01:39 PM
very interesting :) I was thinking about the pans for packing and travel. I too noticed that they can come apart if handeled roughly. My answer was/is: after screwing them together a single strip of masking tape along the side top to bottom holds them secure so they dont twist apart. also using an old sock, sicking the "tube" inside an ond sock also gives added protection and if they do break open will help contain any loose pigment.

all in all it maybe a bit overkill but I dont wanta think about the mess after the gorillas "handeling" my lugage could be if I didnt obsess a bit about them being secure....

Looking forward to seeing more paintings of your trip :)

lpb
05-31-2008, 07:37 PM
Vicki's trays look like they might be lids to banker's boxes...the put it together yourself type of boxes you can get at office supply stores. That would be handy, as we have lots of those. I'll have to check it out. Haven't done my pastels much as I've been involved in my wc, but definitely still want to get going with my PPs. :D

Donna A
06-01-2008, 04:29 PM
<snip>Thanks Donna. No, I will not be "fiddling" with these...I will do new paintings. These are as they are, and I learned from them. The light is totally different there, and the greens are hard to capture!

As to traveling with the Pans...First, my sticks are in a Guerilla box, which attaches to the tripod. I used a small wheeled suitcase to put the box, supplies, the Pans, paper, etc...and checked it thru to France. Tripod went into larger piece of luggage, along with my clothes:p so I had only my carry on and purse to deal with.
I must say I cheated a bit with the Pans, as I couldn't figure a good way to take everything and still have room. So, I kept them all screwed together, and took several flat pieces of foamcore. when I arrived I made new boxes, used them there, then discarded and packed the Pans back together.

oh, Tres, I think you were just plain brilliant and very sensible!!! (And that ain't cheatin'! :thumbsup: Yea!) What a great solution to take foamcore to make new boxes! Great idea! And screwing them together is such a great way of using one of their inherent qualities!

While there, the wheeled luggage was great to handle bumpy cobbles, narrow sidewalks, fields, etc..I put the guerilla box in the main compartment, along with watercolors, and all the small stuff, and the boxes of pans in the front zipper panel, hung the tripod over the handle and I was ready to go. When I set up the box, it opens up with to panels on each side; my sticks go here, and I usually had a place to put the pan boxes;ie...wall, bench,etc...or I just laid on top of my sticks...
Not too much problem, but I think would have been helpful to have a small folding table, stool, something...I painted in the hotel courtyard one day, and I used a table there to place them.
All in all, not too bad, and both the pans, and the sticks made the trip with no accidents, however, if you do travel with them screwed together, make sure they are tightly screwed, and will not jostle, as they will loosen.
Tres

Thank you so much, Tres, for sharing how you traveled overseas with these! Should be such good help for so many! I hope others will share their traveling or 'at-home' plein air ways of using the Pan Pastels! Take good care! Donna ;-}

Donna A
06-01-2008, 04:53 PM
lpb Vicki's trays look like they might be lids to banker's boxes...the put it together yourself type of boxes you can get at office supply stores. That would be handy, as we have lots of those. I'll have to check it out. Haven't done my pastels much as I've been involved in my wc, but definitely still want to get going with my PPs.

I'm not sure where Vicki found her boxes. I'll ask her this evening. One of the wonderful artists in class (Shirley, whose yummy peonies you've seen recently!) is having a birthday party dinner for me this evening with a lot of the artists from classes. Awwwwwww! Shirley is originally from Taiwan---and her real real Chinese cooking is so magnificent! The flavors are so delicate and rich and in many cases fascinatingly varied from what we are used to here. (She's been so extremely dear and caring bringing some dinners to me since I was sick.) Awwwwwwww. Has been so wonderful.

Vicki's two boxes do just happen to take a full 30 pans and while there is a bit of space left over, they' have worked so well for her! She has cardboard that goes over them each and she fastens the two boxes/lids together with a bungee cord. Donna ;-}

Donna A
06-01-2008, 06:05 PM
Yesterday, over two dozen members of the MidAmerica Pastel Society had a special Paint Out event at the Overland Park Arboretum. It's gorgeous there! Huge--and far south end of the city (basically part of greater Kansas City.) I got there without the SD memory card for my camera. (DUHHHH!) But Verla (you may remember her gorgeous painting from the Pan Pastel workshop---the side of the horse's face with the striking reflections in the eye!!!), who is also quite a photographer, took a photo of my set up so that I could post it for you all.

Here's a photo Verla took of my set up.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jun-2008/77048-PanP_PleinAir_SetUp-5-31-08.jpg

I had made a foamcore tray nearly 40" wide (three-trays wide) and two-trays 'deep' for the pans and for the tools. Coming and going, the 6 little foam trays stacked on top of each other and fastened with the bungee cord and it perfectly into my old back pack---with room left on the sides for water, thin paper towel roll, towel sprayed with bug replelant in plastic bag (which I didn't need painting on the walk), etc. Paper/backing board sat inside big tray which fastened easily into the lower painting tray of the french easel and bungee corded on very securely.

Tiny purse, keys, also in back pack pouch. Absolutely easy carry! Walked a good way from car thru arobretum to find THE place to paint! (And I'm stilllll working at getting back to normal energy/stamina from the flu, etc! so it HAD to be pretty easy for moi!!!) For the second painting maybe 10 to 12 yards away, was very easy to pick up the easel as you see it and move it to next place---and so on. Yes, was a lilttle bit awkward carrying this since it is bulky---and I would not want to carry the whole thing for a block or so---but for the distance I carried it---not really any effort.

This took about 4 or 5 minutes to set up when I found my first spot. About the same to put away. Actually---hmmm---maybe more 3 to 4 minutes to set up. I was pretty surprised how very fast it went together. And how easy---and that was only the first try with this set up. I will see what other adaptations I might make. Was all extremely sturdy---and there was a hefty breeze (thankfully in the mid-80 degree temps in the sunshine!) Oh, by the way---I had secured the big tray (with the 6 smaller trays) in place on the ddrawer of the french easel with the bungee cord. Extremely secure!

Yes, the tray being nearly 40" is tooo long for most situations---well, flying, etc. Driving somewhere in my car was easy. I'm going to keep experimenting. But---worked GREAT for going somewhere in my car!!! Or even carrying this out to the park behind my house, which I'll try next! But--am kinda yearning to go back to the Arboretum! :-) Hmmm--when will schedule/Weather allow??? And having allll the luxuries of the studio (except for maybe a nice cold beer!) is really great. :D

I will take photos of the set up all packed up and post later.

What would be nice is a wood platform that would let me hinge and hold flat, on which to place the trays---so that the foot print traveling would be half the size---or a lovely third! Thought about doing a serious taped hinge---but how to make it hold flat??? Hmmmm And was handy to have the tray walls, even tho I made them shorter to take up less space in transit. Hmmmmm.

I was at dinner last night with my neighbors across the street---and John, a marvelous portrait artist I've mentioned before, was showing me a new oil painting box he'd bought for himself and one for his wife, Bonnie (a different Bonnie, but both marvelous cooks and otherwise creative beings!!!)

These he was showing me were the Palm Boxes---which have a strap that goes over the shoulder and are small, wonderfully compact and easy to handle---and then also showed me his "Lightweight Kit" box, largest size that he takes with him when he flies out to both photo and do a head study of a new portrait client. (Below is the site for the pastel box they have.)
http://www.openboxm.com/closerlook.html

ANYWAYYyyyyyy.... I was remembering the exquisite very thin, extremely sturdy, straight plywood they use. Hmmmmm! Yum! These boxes are just gorgeous pieces of well-crafted art work in their own right---and John raves about them---and he is extremely discerning! Just thinking how lovely it would be to work with. But then I know Pan Pastels will be coming out with some great trays that will serve so well, so---foamcore board in the meantime will take good care of us! :) Thought you might like to take a look at the OpenBoxM pieces. They've thought of pretty much everything! Like the looks and workabililtiy drastically better than the Guerilla Boxes---at any rate, for using for oils. For me---still love my OLD french easel (not the prutty new one that was part of a lovely prize) but my 40-some-year oldie that sets up in about 30 seconds and so beautifully crafted! The new ones---set up easy in 3 to 5 minutes, tho does hold a bit more, tho slightly smaller painting. Well--we all find what works best for us each!

Looking forward to more plein air set ups from you all! Except for how long the tray is to hold all 6 trays---I'm really happy with this. Want all my sponges handy! Could put them around behind the lid of the french easel on that nice flat, open space, but---that would take time/loss of concentration to reach for them. Hmmmm. Will continue to ponder! Take good care! Donna ;-}

Rusla
06-01-2008, 10:20 PM
Richard, there is no overkill when protecting your equipment. I am also very protective of all of my artistic things. Whether it is my camera equipment, painting supplies, leather supplies, or my computers.
Maybe better than masking tape is duct tape, that stuff will secure anything.


Also, I have a piece of amazing news. Someone saw my pictures and wants me to paint a picture ofr them Not in pastels however, the picture will be 3 ft high by 4 ft wide. I am supposed to start this picture in October. I am stunned.

Randi-Lee

Tressa
06-02-2008, 05:37 PM
:wave: I received this message from Berni Ward just now for all you UK residents!
Tres




quote ....Tressa –
For your contact in the UK :


I am delighted to let you know that PanPastel Colors & Sofft Tools will be available in the UK in a matter of days from the following retailer:

T N Lawrence & Son Ltd
208 Portland Road
Hove BN3 5QT
UK
Tel +44 1273 260260
Fax +44 1273 260270
www.lawrence.co.uk (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/)

Tressa
06-03-2008, 02:49 PM
Rusla...Congrats on your commission!


I was playing today in class, and just decided to see what I could do with the tools, never done that before. I think I really like the blending with the palette knife using the oval sock(bottom left) and the wedgy/triangular sponge (checkerboard look)I did the clouds with that one also. The little pear was fun to blend on also, I used the triangle and the round stick tool thingy...the rectangle in the top right is the square sponge. black Richeson ....Tres
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Jun-2008/76189-Pan_Pastel_Study_002.jpg

Verla
06-03-2008, 09:06 PM
Hi, All, it seems it has been awhile since I posted to this thread. I was one of those who attended the Arboretum paintout with Donna. I was very impressed with her setup and was particularly pleased when Donna asked me to photograph her setup, along with all the fascinating flowers and plants and general set up of the arboretum. I thoroughly enjoy the pan pastels though I haven't had much time to paint. Living in a 2 bedroom 900 sq.ft. apartment doesn't leave much room especially when you have a roommate. My fiance is a computer geek and has filled the spare bedroom with computers which doesn't allow much space for his desk and chair as well as the miscellaneous items that go along with computers. Our living /dining area is shaped like an L. My "studio" and the dining room table are in the leg of the L with my computer desk and a few small bookshelves sharing the foot of the L with the couch, chair and TV which are in the corner of the L where the leg and foot come together. Both of us enjoy having our "toys" close at hand so it is really hard to store stuff at the storage shed. It doesn't help that we are getting ready for our annual week-long camping vacation beginning the 13th. Our destination is about an hour or so northeast of our home and we plan to be camping with about 1500 of our friends. We have most of the storage boxes sharing the dining room/studio space so it is pretty cramped. I enjoy reading about and seeing the photos of the paintings that everyone is doing. Later :wave: , v

Rusla
06-04-2008, 02:51 PM
Tres, that is such a great picture for fooling around. It is so abstract and neat.

Richard, putting a foamcore board on top of my pans on the bottom works terrific. especially seeing as I put my apron on one side and my drop cloth covering the extras on the other side work great. I am missing about 30 lids and I had no breakage or spillage with the foamcore board in there.

Randi-Lee

Wrichards
06-04-2008, 04:08 PM
heres a fast PanP, thought it turned out well

9x12" on colourfix paper

CCs welcome, Thanks for looking :wave:
http://i29.tinypic.com/25k5r2u.jpg

Rusla
06-05-2008, 12:31 AM
That is so terrific and vivid, Richard.

Randi-Lee

Donna A
06-05-2008, 01:58 AM
Hi, everyone! Tres, I'm so glad you posted Berni's message for the UK artists! Was fun to see the experiments you were 'playing' with! I think it's such a good idea and hope everyone has done things like this. Did you find the Richeson rough on the sponge tools?

Verla, so glad you posted and thanks again for photoing the plein air set up I used at the Arboretum.

Glad you are seeming to have some good luck with your 'traveling' set up, Randi-Lee!

Hi, Richard. Really nice new piece! You just have such a lovely feel for these! Very painterly, with so many nuances. Yea!

I have two finished version of paintings you've seen at earlier stages. First, Fani's marvelous large painting of the children at the clinic in South Africa which she painted for her doctor son who volunteers there on occasion. It was so exciting to watch her paint this. It's 40" wide and 28" high on Soft Umber Colourfix Board.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Jun-2008/77048-Fani-children-fin-500.jpg

And then Susan's Dogwoods, which is about 12"x 16" on Colourfix from a photo she took when she was "back east."

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Jun-2008/77048-Susan-Dogwood-fin.jpg

I think both photos do not do justice to the beauty and glow of both pieces, but---at least you can get a bit of an idea!

I need to photo my paintings from the Arboretum, but has been so busy here the last few days. Soon!

Take good care! Donna ;-}

Tressa
06-05-2008, 07:11 AM
Hi Donna, like everything else, I had just used what I needed and never just played with the tools, gonna do more.
The Richeson was a bit rough, but not too bad. The worst was my little socks, one got a hole in it pretty quickly, but I was using it kinda hard.
Tres

Tressa
06-05-2008, 03:30 PM
Got sick of that pear so I did this on black La Carte. inspired by the thunderstorms yesterday. Also a note, I used only the one little long sponge with the triangle wedgy end. Tres
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Jun-2008/76189-Evening_Storm_June_4_001.jpg

Wrichards
06-05-2008, 04:20 PM
Thats realy cool! great feeling of power.

Tressa
06-05-2008, 05:20 PM
Thanks Richard! I got caught up, and missed yours. I really liked it, it's so regal and simple. I cannot make up my mind if it is a flower or a beautiful butterfly hanging there:)
Tres

Donna A
06-06-2008, 01:00 AM
Hi, Tres! Love the new painting! :thumbsup: So you have been having thunderstorms at your house, too! We are in the midst of yet another one right now. Unplugged the laptop. :)

Pretty cool that you did all this with that one sponge tool. I do like that particular sponge and gravitate toward it often. You've made a wonderful painting---along with a wonderful demonstration of how many different effects you can achieve with a single tool! Very rich variation in textures as well as other qualities! And, yes, Richard---great feeling of power!

This afternoon Bonnie finished the painting of the man she photographed on her trip to India. She remarked today that she was sorry she had bothered to invest in the pastel pencils because she found she could do so many fine detail things with the Pan Pastels. It's an 18" x 26" on Black AS Colourfix. Again, I don't think my photo does a good job of representing this painting. It's very rich and luxurious in it's varieties of values and other qualities. Yet another one we've all enjoyed watching happen in the studio! (In amongst her travels, when we've missed her!)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Jun-2008/77048-Man_from_the_Back_Streets_of_India.jpg

Bonnie's done a beautiful job of bringing this painting "out of the shadows." I talked yesterday a good bit about issues involved with the traditional painting from dark-to-light, including the reasons behind that usually preferred pattern in most everything but watercolor medium.

The Pans were so marvelous for the dark-to-light on the dark ground because of how very opaque OR very transparent they can lay on to the painting. With our traditional pastels, we have opaque---and for those whose style it is, it can be rubbed in pretty thin, but it never does present quite the transparent or sheer glow that the Pans do. There are wonderful qualities that each offer. I never look at it as a war between the two versions of pastels, but rather a delicious wealth we have available! Yes---most of the pieces I've done have ended up being pure Pans, but, still---they do work so well together, too!

Well, the thunder is still rolling through our skies! Nothing nearly as horrid as several nights ago! The big clock on the class studio wall, high up in the peak, was knocked off and sent flying over 8 feet away, landing face up on the floor when a very intense clap of thunder/lightning hit REALLY near by! Whew! It was late and I was really to head to bed when I heard the especially loud thunder---and then right after---something crashing in the class studio. Yikes! Clocks on that wall for 30 years. I've never had one go flying! Goodness! Neighbors are OK, thankfully. It had to be close! Whew! The class was shredded into many broken pieces, but---once I put the battery back in---it still works! Yea! No more of that, please!

May all your thunderstorms be ONLY mellow and inspiring events! Donna ;-}

EGG ON LEGS
06-06-2008, 10:29 AM
Hi Donna
Thanks for the info and your paintings are good i cant do landscape but going to have a go with these pan pastels. I just tried a portrait in pan pastels absoulutley brill, got my pastels from America last week bit expensive but worth every penny thats worth every dollar to you ha ha. cant get them in England. would be gratefull if you know a cheaper place were i can get them, would like to get the landscape ones . Ann

Rusla
06-06-2008, 11:16 AM
Tres, oh my! That looks like the sky outside right now. Those clouds are speaking volumes. I find the worst of the sponge socks for getting holes is the triangles, right in the end when I put them on. So I like to cut the open end off a bit and they fit better and no holes.

Donna, those pictures are awesome. My favorites is the Indian Man and the Dogwoods. They did a killer job on all of them.

Randi-Lee

Donna A
06-06-2008, 02:56 PM
Hi Donna
Thanks for the info and your paintings are good i cant do landscape but going to have a go with these pan pastels. I just tried a portrait in pan pastels absoulutley brill, got my pastels from America last week bit expensive but worth every penny thats worth every dollar to you ha ha. cant get them in England. would be gratefull if you know a cheaper place were i can get them, would like to get the landscape ones . Ann

Hi, Ann! So good to have you join us! And thank you! As far as painting landscapes---perhaps experiment with looking at your subject (ANY subject) as just Shapes of Colors! That's an important key to painting about anything! So---if and when you get a yearning to try a landscape or two, it's not really much different than a portrait or still life---except that they all have different shapes---of different colors! But they all have that in common! Looking at things as Objects is really Left Hemisphered---and looking at them as Shapes of Colors is Right Hemi, or Intuitive, Creative!

Glad you are liking the PanPs! They have seemed to open up a lot of possibilities (and fun!) for a lot of artists. We look forward to your posting some of your paintings when you can. It's been great to share all of our adventures! Do (when you have bits of time) go back and read the thread from the beginning. Tons of info of all sorts about using the Pans! It's turned into a little encyclopedia!

Tres posted this note a week or so ago. In case you did not see it:
I received this message from Berni Ward just now for all you UK residents!
Tres

quote ....Tressa –
For your contact in the UK :

I am delighted to let you know that PanPastel Colors & Sofft Tools will be available in the UK in a matter of days from the following retailer:

T N Lawrence & Son Ltd
208 Portland Road
Hove BN3 5QT
UK
Tel +44 1273 260260
Fax +44 1273 260270
www.lawrence.co.uk
________________

Ann, perhaps this might help you find some things more reasonably and closer to home! Hope so! Do keep us posted! Take good care! Donna ;-}

Donna A
06-06-2008, 03:18 PM
Tres, oh my! That looks like the sky outside right now. Those clouds are speaking volumes. I find the worst of the sponge socks for getting holes is the triangles, right in the end when I put them on. So I like to cut the open end off a bit and they fit better and no holes.

Donna, those pictures are awesome. My favorites is the Indian Man and the Dogwoods. They did a killer job on all of them.

Randi-Lee
Oh, goodness, Randi-Lee---big storms in your neighborhood, too? Or, hopefully, just big, lush clouds!

I tend to use the little triangle painting knife the most of the knife tools, so I certainly wear down those little 'socks' more often. But sounds like I must wear my at a different place than you do yours---which also happens with fountain pens and paint brushes, etc. Interesting to hear about that solution you've found that works for you!

Yes, I agree that those paintings are awesome! They have all taken on some particular challenges and made them work. Wish the photos showed them off better---but then we always wish that! Take good care! Donna ;-}

Donna A
06-10-2008, 01:34 AM
Hi, everyone! Bev brought in a beautiful gorgeous bouquet today with flowers from her garden along with a wonderful hydrangea (a new variety that has lovely light, bright, small chartreuse flowerets) that she bought at the market. She made the arrangement in one of her many large, impactful vases. It's a humongously large arrangement and (as usual with Bev's arrangements) spectacular!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Jun-2008/77048-Hydrangia-Bev-photo.jpg

This photo is taken from the left side and really shows the cool shadows (the cool light from the north sky light) and how very warm the 200W incandescent spot light over on the right is. It gives a beautiful range of color. Bev picked purple flowers to accent the hydrangea, both warm (red-violet-y) and cool (blue violet-y) with different textures and shapes, etc. The very fine-leaved small cat tails had luscious almost teal-colored darker areas on the planes that turned toward the cools of the northern sky light and were wonderful against the dark oranges (browns) of the cat tails. I picked a piece of 'chip board' (card board) for the background since it was a very, very neutral-ish warm yellow (almost just plain warm gray) to vibrate against the cool yellow (yellow-green) of the hydrangea plus the yellow-ness would also vibrate against the purples of the smaller flowers, the very low intensity against the rich intensities of those purple flowers. I spent a good time discussing with the whole class, even those who were working on different pieces, all the different elements going on in the subject---and the many different things they could work with in forming their concept. There is sooo much more than I've noted here---but this little bit might at least be interesting to those of you who might not think in some of these terms. By the way---yes, the camera captured sooo much more intensity and diversity in the warm/cool. It definitely shows, but not quite as dramatically as it does here (at least on my computer in PhotoShop. But surely is even a bit more exiting in some ways than IRL!) (Well, it can really be fun pushing color a bit.) :heart:

Now, here are Bev, Bonnie and Louise's paintings in total Pan Pastels (with some bits of charcoal drawing.) Someone brought up how very different the styles were among the artists painting these in PanPs, as well as the oils someone else used. It's always so interesting to see the variety possible!

Here is Bev's beginning with something mid-stage and then a little later.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Jun-2008/77048-Hydrangia-Bev-1.jpg

You'll notice that at the end of the painting session, she decided to make the hydrangea a bit smaller, even tho it is painted so beautifully within itself. But she was more concerned with the look and feel of the entire painting! Yes! This is a brave move by a serious creative person! And since she is working in the Pans and on AS Colourfix---piece of cake to change!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Jun-2008/77048-Hydrangia-Bev-2.jpg

By the way---she's working on a sheet 20"x28" Soft Umber that I had (last year) tinted with a wash of red-violet (which created a soft, low-intensity grayed violet.) Here is a detail of the hydrangea.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Jun-2008/77048-Hydrangia-Bev-detail.jpg

Here is first a detail of Bonnie's hydrangea. She commented on what different approaches they took to create the textures, yet both carry the impact and feel of the large, full shape built out of the small flowerlets.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Jun-2008/77048-Hydrangia-Bonnie-detail.jpg

And Bonnie's full painting, so far, painted on Rose Grey AS Colourfix 28"x20".

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Jun-2008/77048-Hydrangia-Bonnie-1.jpg

Here is a detail of some of the upper areas, too. As Bev and Louise as well, Bonnie has some really wonderful strokes that are so expressive of particular petals, leaves, etc. This shows some good examples also of working with the variety in value and temperature, textures and planes, as well.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Jun-2008/77048-Hydrangia-Bonnie-detail-2.jpg

And here are both the full painting (so far) by Louise and a detail of the hydrangea to see the great variety in the approaches of the three artists. She's working on a 28"x20" sheet of AS Colourfix Soft Umber---which is in the 'general' neighborhood of the color of the back ground of the flowers. She had just started working in warmth from the spot light when this photo was taken. She will be mellowing it down in time and transitioning it in to the color of the ground. And I do think that Louise did use a bit of stick pastel for accent, looking at the photo of her painting detail now, tho almost all of the work is Pans. Whatever gives an artist the impact he/she wants!!! :) That's the most important thing!!!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Jun-2008/77048-Hydrangia-Louise-1.jpg

And a detail of her hydrangea. She is coming at the textures and forms in still another entirely different way. And all three work so very well! I love seeing the uniqueness of each artist's creativity and style---and the qualities that inspire and drive their works.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Jun-2008/77048-Hydrangia-Louise-detail.jpg

They'll need to finish these paintings from photos they took. I'm looking forward to seeing the finished pieces. Gloria finished a PanP painting today and I photoed it, but I want to find the original photo digital image first so that you can see both. She worked from a photo I took up in Nebraska since she came one day to class, having forgotten her photos. And---ARGH!!!---I realized this morning when I turned on my big desktop computer that the hard drive has evidently gone on to another reality. And no time yet to deal with it. :eek: Ohhh, glory! Well---that's for manana. In the meantime, enjoy these lovely beginnings of the three florals. Pretty delightful! Take good care! Donna ;-}

Wrichards
06-10-2008, 11:41 AM
Thats a realy cool arangement, I wish i had a bit more of a front on reference, Id love to try painting it, the colours are great! :)

Donna A
06-10-2008, 04:43 PM
Hi, Richard. I think I took a view more from the front of the arrangement. I'm tied up for the late-afternoon/evening, but will see what I can fuss with in PS when I have a moment and upload. Would be fun to see what you would do with it. Bev does the most remarkable arrangements with both flowers from her amazing garden and from the market. Large and always lavishly delicious! And then her paintings from them are usually breathtaking! She brings them to class to share with everyone. Is rather glorious! :D Soon! Take good care! Donna ;-}

Adiro
06-10-2008, 10:21 PM
Donna, your students are doing wonderful! Your flower still life is so charming and gracious, I'd be the second wishing to paint something like this!

Rusla
06-11-2008, 10:04 PM
Donna; that flower painting is gorgeous. Even I have this wild urge to paint it. I will post my owl soon, the one that started off looking like a Harp Seal on a branch.

Randi-Lee

Wrichards
06-12-2008, 06:16 PM
I wanted to thank you all...

Colourfin, the makers of Pan Pastels posted a couple of my paintings on/in thier product gallery. I kinda wish I tweeked them a bit more ;)

anyway thank you all for sharing your works and information on this medium, It helps me very greatly in my learing curve... :clap:

Donna A
06-12-2008, 07:32 PM
Hi, Richard! Glad you let us know the new pieces are up now on the Pan Pastel Gallery! Yea! Glad you sent some of your pieces! Bev, Bonnie, Louise, Susan, Shirley, Vicki and I have new pieces up there, too! And several other artists' work, too! Do take a look, everyone! I think it's so great that they have established the Gallery to share our works! It's wonderful to see all the different styles and subjects! I really enjoy looking at the pieces there---as well as here!

Richard and Randi-Lee, today Bev brought the bouquet again that you both had commented on being interested in painting. I took more photos. From the front, as you noted being interested in. Bev was glad that you enjoyed her bouquet. She really does create some gorgeous pieces!!! Yum! So (when I [boring] get back from the grocery store [boring]) :rolleyes: I'll upload the images. If you would like a larger jpeg, you can email me and I'll send a much higher rez image for you to print out. Whatever works for you! [email protected] And I'll upload PanP paintings from yesterday and today in class, too---and one of my Arboretum plein air pieces, too. Need to photo the other one soon. Take good care! Donna ;-}

PeggyB
06-13-2008, 12:12 AM
Oh my I can see it has been way too long since I've commented here. Donna and all I am so impressed with what everyone is producing with the PP! :thumbsup:
This week my students came to my home for an end of season luncheon. We had hoped to paint outside on my back patio, but this has been a more typical NorthWET June of cold and rain so that didn't happen. Instead I showed the WC and my favorite on line frame supplier. They were very impressed with all of your PP paintings. A couple of them played with the PP when I showed them last fall, but they weren't satisfied with what they produced. Since taking Donna's workshop, I've shown the more, but they don't want to invest in another form of pastel at this time. I suspect one of the newer students may investigate them after seeing what is here though. She wasn't a student in the fall session. Once the weather becomes more cooperative, I will hold classes here for the summer so we can paint outside. I wish I had enough room for year around classes here, and maybe I can figure it out over the summer, but until then we'll have to paint inside at the art center when fall arrives... :crying:

Anyway, good work everyone, and now I'm going to the PP website to see your work. :)

Peggy

Shirl Parker
06-13-2008, 10:29 AM
Here's a PanP attempt I posted over in the sketch thread:

Here's a sketch done in PanPastels, from a photo in the OP challenge a while back. AS Colorfix 9x12 (Sand, I think). Not finished, not very good, but an effort to get familiar with the media.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Jun-2008/113427-Photo_061008_003.jpg

Dougwas
06-18-2008, 03:16 AM
Hi Gang:wave:

It's been a while. I have been busy studying and doing the house and yard thing and I am ready to do some painting. I just wanted to let you all know I am still around and have been keeping up on the thread. There are some great painting being done and I am looking forward to seeing more. I will be getting my Pans out in the next day or two so hopefully I will be posting soon.

Doug

Donna A
06-27-2008, 11:47 PM
Hi, everyone!!! Good to be back with you all! Doug, so good to have heard from you! And you, too, Shirl! And Peggy---and all of you!

Thats a realy cool arangement, I wish i had a bit more of a front on reference, Id love to try painting it, the colours are great! :)

Finally, Richard---from your request at post 1140 (if I remember correctly) here is a photo I took the next time Bev brought in her gorgeous arrangement with the hydrangia---and from a more 'front-on' point. She added a few other flowers to it from her gorgous garden, but it is essentially the same. If you would like a larger image to print out, email me and I'll send somethng that will give you much better 'info.' [email protected]

Hmmm---I keep hitting the icon for uploading an image and all I get is part of the opening screen info plus a 'thing' on the Smilies. And here I have all sorts of yummy images to finally upload. Looks like it is another one of the fixes that will need to be done. In the meantime, Richard, if you would like the image, email! And anyone else, as well!

Take good care all! Donna ;-}

Rusla
06-28-2008, 01:36 AM
This is my latest picture done totally with the PP's. At first this picture looked like a woman in a wig, then it became a Harp seal on a branch. Now, it is an owl. The picture is called The Watcher. C&C's welcome. I hate the way it uploads the picture, it seems to fade the colours.

Piper Ballou
06-29-2008, 12:09 PM
Just got a set of pan pastels and read everything that has been posted here...thanks to all
piper

Dougwas
06-29-2008, 01:24 PM
Hi Piper:wave:

Welcome to Pan world. I was wondering where you were. I haven't seen any posts by you for a long time. Anyway, I am glad you are back. Have fun with the Pans and don't be afraid to ask any questions.


Doug

Donna A
06-29-2008, 02:26 PM
Just got a set of pan pastels and read everything that has been posted here...thanks to all
piper
Hi, Piper! So good to hear from you! And, yes, as Doug says, we will be so happy to share thoughts to any questions you have---and look forward to seeing some of your paintings done with the Pans---including works where you've combined them with other mediums.

We are stuck having to upload any images we want to share by using the "Manage Attachments" method below instead of the one I far prefer, the "postcard with stamp and mountain" icon above. I hope they get that link working again, soon. I am missing it! It's so nice to be look back thru and see an image contained within the message, such as being able to see Shirl's flower that she posted just before the site went down for the big transfer. But can't see Randi-Lee's right now since it is posted as an attachment. So will have to finish this post before I can go back to see it again!

Shirl, so good so far on your piece. Will look forward to seeing the finished piece. Take good care, everyone! Stay cool! Donna ;-}

Donna A
06-29-2008, 04:02 PM
This is my latest picture done totally with the PP's. At first this picture looked like a woman in a wig, then it became a Harp seal on a branch. Now, it is an owl. The picture is called The Watcher. C&C's welcome. I hate the way it uploads the picture, it seems to fade the colours.

Hi, Randi-Lee. Your little owl is a cutie! Awww. His silhouette has great variety and the composition works pretty strongly except for, for one thing---the branch going out of the painting straight to the corner. And it does not vary whatsoever, tho perhaps, there, the edge might be a bit firmer at the owl than at the corner---but the variation is far too slight.

Something you might want to "make more use of" is variety in hardness-to-softness of edges, as well as a change-in-color with the change-in-planes. Little owl is pretty flat---at least in the photo of the painting. Perhaps there is more form in the actual painting, but even the tree parts look pretty flat. Am assuming you are working from a photo on this one (unless you talked the owl into posing.) :) You might have had a photo which did not offer you much sense of form in the beginning. And when that happens, we very much need to have loads of experience with the same or similar subjects, situations from real life observation and painting to do our best job of painting.

Randi-Lee----you did a MARVELOUS job of setting the white feathers so naturally irregularly and very interestingly!!! Absolutely excellent!!! The sizes all vary! Your shapes all vary! The patterning varies!!! Even the color seems to vary quite nicely! Yea! This is something that is sooooo difficult for so many artists to manage! For some reason, it is natural for us humans to put things down soooo much more regularly than we realize! Randi-Lee, so many artists would have made your little owl look more like he was polka-dotted instead of feathered!!!! Congratulations. In class, we talk about "marching along" (I think a comment or term originally from Bev R!) It comes up CONSTANTLY!!! when discussing problems in paintings---no matter what the subject! You did such a great job of giving believable patterning to your little owl---along with making sure that both circles of the eyes are different! YES! Even the 'sandy orangey' mid-value feathers along the chest are wonderfully varied! YES!

I'm still grinning at imagining the morphs that little owl went thru. Ahhh, yes! We've all been there! :-) He really is fun to look at! Thank you! Take good care! Donna ;-}

Rusla
06-29-2008, 04:23 PM
Donna, it took a lot of convincing to get that owl to pose for me on the same branch every day. Now all joking aside it is from a picture. A very difficult picture because in actuality the tree and the owl camouflaged together. I had to change the tree and I have been sitting here looking at it and wondering what besides the sky was bothering me and you named the things. I knew something was wrong even tho my instructor said it was fine. Thanks for pointing out what I thought I was seeing but not getting my finger on it. I didn't know if it was the tree, the owl or the branch or all of it.
The branch can be fixed as can the rest of it. Just this way of uploading them I find dulls all the colours on me.

Randi-Lee

Donna A
06-29-2008, 04:25 PM
Hi, again, everyone! Guess I'll use the "other way" of sharing images for now. Here are the two plein air paintings I did with Pan Pastels at the Overland Park Arboretum with the MidAmerica Pastel Society's Paint Out there May 31st in preparation for the huge STEMS Gala at the arboretum last night. It was a gorgeous evening---and a very "swell" affair! About 1000 people attending with the very pricey tickets as a fund-raiser for the gardens. Music and food all over the place and two of us artists demonstrated painting, as well as two or three dozen MAPS paintings from the Paint Out on display and for sale. Was just perfect weather with a wonderful breeze to counteract the mid-80's temps. And even MORE flowers in bloom. Yum!

I don't have photos from last night uploaded from my camera yet, but here are the paintings I had done. Can't seem to organize the order these upload in, this method, but---first is the second painting I did at the Paint Out in May, then the first scene, and finally the easel set up with the first painting and the scene behind the easel. :rolleyes:

I was so amazing to see how things had grown up so from a month earlier. When I was out there in May, I had left home without my camera's digital card. duh! So the little finishing bits I did in the studio were based only on the memory I had tried to strongly fix in my thoughts before I left the garden that day---plus get IN/ON my painting before leaving the gardens. So I suppose I had an even stronger sense of what had been there and how different it was yesterday. Was quite lush both times. I hope you have some beautiiful gardens around you to visit and relish! I always love those 'extra' excuses for grand colors---along with the fascinating textures! Enjoy!!! Donna ;-}

ps---both paintings are 9"x12" on Soft Umber Art Spectrum Colourfix. was so easy to set up and take down the first day as well as yesterday! Works soooo well for plein air!

Yes, I spent longer working on the second painting than the first that day. I was so enchanted by the whole panoramic view of the little pool that flowed under the bridge and to a little waterfall just beyond. It was lovely the way the low-lying conifers were planted down the sharp terrace of the bank on the left. Wonderful different varieties, both flowering and non..., along with other plants and rocks. The back-lighting was glowing through the orange poppies on the far hillside. Wow! OH---last night---well---not sundown yet---but around 7pm---the hollihocks that were now growing on the hillside near where the poppies were---were backlit. I took a few photos with the pale yellowy-white hollihocks glowing against the dark water in the distance (from the place where I was standing at the moment over the far side of the bridge.) Whew! Was just striking! Of course, the lower the sun went, it began to glow perfectly into my eyes so I could not longer work where I had started a while earlier, so could not finish my painting (but--I had taken photos of the quickly changing lights! So I get to take my pick of which 'effect' and colors I want to use to finish!) Take good care! Donna ;-}

pps---By the way---the foxglove flowers were soooooo much fun to paint with the Pan Pastels, especially! Just a ball!!!! The bridge was really easy since it is so easy to paint very fine and/or refined lines and long straight or short curved lines along with variations of colors, etc! It was all pretty much fun---but the foxglove in the first started (second shown below) painting! Again---ENJOY!!!! D ;-}

Tressa
06-29-2008, 05:46 PM
Hi Donna, this week while WC was down , I was busy doing tons... was in meetings with college to promote the new Pan Pastel class coming up in July. We are doing a two day workshop to introduce the medium to the curriculum, hit contacts for press releases, etc...prepare for a hands on Pan demo at our local art store in Annapolis yesterday. It went really well. I painted and answered questions,people got to play with the pans on different papers, and the shop was having their big semi-annual sale, so they got 25% off! A lot of interest was shown in the workshop, and flyers and cards went off to hopefully generate students!:cool:

Bernie Ward helped a lot! She sent me packets of samples of the sponges, and some sample pans to use for the demo.
I got there early to set up, and it was hot and humid!! I was painting on the porch, so was in the heat for about 4 hours!!! I was too busy to think about it until it was over, and then I was thirsty, hot, and exhausted:eek:

Here is the pic, it is not finished, water and foreground still to do, but it was great to chat with artists who were new to the medium.
Tressa


oh Donna, check out this thread!:D

Bragging a Little! (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=503482)

Donn
06-30-2008, 07:40 PM
Hi Everyone:wave:
Just to let everyone know I'm still around too. Like, Doug, haven't done too much in the way of PanPastels, just a little Chinese Brush Painting, post card size. You can see them on my flickr.
Welcome to the group, Piper. PanPastels are really great to work with. I got the 20 Painting set plus added about 8 more colors. I like them a lot better than the dusties.
Have a good 4th of July everyone.

Donna A
07-01-2008, 01:20 AM
Hi, Tres and Donn! Great going, Tres! Excellent that you've been spreading the word about these fun, great Pan Pastels. And so far, so good with your new painting! I think my most, most favorite spot is the distant mountains that have such a great shape and just so wonderfully disappear in in areas while being so striking in their contrast to their surroundings at the peak! Looking forward to seeing the finished version, too!

Glad you also spread the word about the newsletter. If anyone is wondering, artists can sign up for it at the the Pan Pastel web site---www.panpastel.com.

Donn, so glad to hear from you, too! Have missed you! Keep checking in with us. Will take a look at your new pieces at your site! Hope you have a chance to play with your Pans again soon. Maybe even try adding a bit of color to some of your Chinese Brush Paintings, too---just to try a bit of mixed media, sometime, perhaps!

Take good care, ya'all! Donna ;-}

helenh
07-01-2008, 11:39 AM
I recently got a set of 10 Pans and have been playing with them. I haven't got the knack yet. It seems that the effects I get are very muted and super blended. I have to use other soft sticks on top of them to get crisp or get any details. I know I must be doing something wrong. :envy:

Here is one I just finished. The scene is Ocean City, Maryland, where I live. It was 75% Pans, but I finished it with Ludwigs and Unisons. It was painted on canvas coated with Colourfix Terra Cotta (2 coats). I can use your input.

Helen

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jul-2008/114605-s_A_Beach_Day.jpg

Donna A
07-01-2008, 01:36 PM
Hi, Helen! So good to have you join us! There certainly are some things with anything new to "get the knack" of using! Your painting definitely looks so far, so good, particularly for using just 10 colors!

I really like the areas where you let the Terra Cotta glow through! It plays with both the blues and the golds so well. I can't tell if the crispy bits at the edges of the clouds and waves are Pans or stick, but I am used to doing those bits with the Pans---and it's very easy to achieve! The sand looks rich---from here! So does the sky. It IS possible to get all these effects with Pans alone, too! Either way is great---but when we want to do it all with Pans, then---yes, we need to develop the additional techniques that let us do that! And most all the painters have ended up adding the rest of the colors to their collection, or at least some additional colors. There are great techniques for mixing color as well as painting with these!

Yes! There is more to learn about working with these! There are wonderful things that we can do---crisp accents and layers, details, hard clean edges along with remarkable gradations, rich color as well as medium and lower intensities, even a way of 'glazing' —or layers sooo sheer that the ground color can vibrate through in an exciting way! These and more are all certainly things that we can do with Pan Pastels.

One of the things I have observed with a lot of artists is a need to sometimes load the sponge tool far, far more that they might for other strokes they have been making. I find how I load the sponge tools to be a very important part of using them (as it is with painting with brushes in oil, acrylic, watercolor, etc!) I do everything from just 'blotting' the sponge flat against one or more pans of color to building up very intense loads of color with a lot of pressure and multiple strokes, often including capturing some of the loose color I find so useful!

Another thing I've seen a lot of artists do (between workshops and classes here) is keep stroking the painting over and over again till they rub in all the pigment when they wanted something fresh and sparkling! I see the same thing most often in oil painting! For some years, I've been noting that it reminds me of one of my little cats who kept pawing the door over and over and over again. Well, that has happened with the Pans, too---and there are times when that works perfectly for the wanted effect. But when we want rich and/or crisp and/or lush---what works best is to load the sponge tool well, make one or two strokes---then reload and stroke one or two times again, etc!

And sometimes I've found it really useful to lay the stroke on with a slightly lighter pressure than I'd used for earlier strokes. That variation in pressure can make a great difference along with variations in how we load the tools.

Also which sponge we pick is important, of course. The bar sponges seem to hold more pigment than the sponges on the knife tools.

Which angle we use of any sponge plays a part, as well.

So---those are just a few 'refresher' thoughts that have been shared earlier in this long, long thread!

Helen, I don't know if you've had the time (or energy!) to read through the whole thread, but it is loaded with information and is rather a little encyclopedia of using Pan Pastels. Yes, there are times when there are several posts in a row with folks saying hi! back and forth, but that part simply comes from the lovely sense of community we have developed within the thread, as throughout WC! So, it is worth the time to read through the whole thread! Many have done it! And have learned a LOT! Also, have you visited the PanPastel.com Gallery? Several of us have works there and gives you a still fuller idea of what is possible.

I have done a lot of step-by-step images of paintings I've done, plus a number from artists who study with me. So there is sooo much to learn here! Very best wishes and keep us posted! Donna ;-}

ElsieH
07-01-2008, 01:50 PM
Oh, Donna! I really enjoyed your demo and notes and comments.
Your studio and assortment of pastels and pan pastels it to die for!

I love the way you achieve such gentle light!

Thanks so very much for this wonderful thread!
:clap: :clap: :clap:

helenh
07-01-2008, 05:21 PM
Donna: Thanks so much for your comments. Great advice as always. I have gone through the thread, though admittedly not in detail. I will do that starting with page one. I've also seen what others have posted to the PanPastel Gallery. That what makes me frustrated. I see what can be done. So I'll keep playing, and maybe one day..............

Donna A
07-01-2008, 06:02 PM
Donna: Thanks so much for your comments. Great advice as always. I have gone through the thread, though admittedly not in detail. I will do that starting with page one. I've also seen what others have posted to the PanPastel Gallery. That what makes me frustrated. I see what can be done. So I'll keep playing, and maybe one day..............

Hi, Helen! Glad that helps! Yes---I understand the frustration when we are getting the hang of something new---and VAST!!! :) As I say in class sometimes (as the other day when someone said something was "so hard!!!") "Yes! Thank goodness it is not impossible!" But it IS hard getting the feel for some of the things we really want to do! Your painting did look wonderfully good for still getting acquainted with the Pans, so I know you will accomplish what you are working toward! Very best wishes! Do keep us posted on your new adventures!!!

Oh, Donna! I really enjoyed your demo and notes and comments.
Your studio and assortment of pastels and pan pastels it to die for!

I love the way you achieve such gentle light!

Thanks so very much for this wonderful thread!

Hi, Elsie! Wow! You can keep talking like that alllll day! :D :music: Thank you! :) We've had such a great time on this thread! Wonderful dear artists and some marvelous work! It's been such a joy! I'm so glad you have been enjoying it, too! Yea! Do keep checking in with us! Love to see what you have been doing when you might want to share! Take good care! Donna ;-}

Tressa
07-01-2008, 06:33 PM
Hi Donna,
Here is the finish of the Demo I did on Saturday. It was a lot of fun. This is the Sandy Park shore on the Chesapeake Bay, and it is a very reddish yellow beach, but the pic picked up the color a bit more intense. Tressa
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jul-2008/76189-Art_Things_Demo2_004.jpg

Donna A
07-01-2008, 07:29 PM
Hi, Everyone! Now that it looks like we can use the 'postcard icon' to upload paintings, I'm going to add some of the works from the week just before WC was down. These are a few of the pieces artists in classes did. We were so busy that there were photos I did not get taken of some of the artists' works. grrr! Oh---first---finally have Fani's final photo of her PanP painting 28"x40" on Colourfix Soft Umber board of the kids at the children's clinic in South Africa where her doctor-son volunteers sometimes. She painted this for him from a photo he took. As I had said in an earlier post, when he saw it, it was able to tell Fani and his dad about every one of the children. Awwww! It will go into his new office. Awwww! We so enjoyed watching her paint this!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jul-2008/77048-Fani-children-fin-500.jpg

Now---Louise brought in a gorgeous 'formal' bouquet with wonderful flowers and colors. Here is first, the photo of the arrangement and then what she did and then what karen did with the Pans and their sticks. Both so unique.

Now while it says that this is the photo below, something kept happening to upload one of the other images in this group---so finally I just posted this and came back to 'edit.' This happened a few times in the past, so is not about the new upgrade of the site. I finally was able to post the actual photo at the bottom. Just so you know! :wave:

Ohhh---boooo! Lost the main image of Louise's image when I deleted the duplicate of Karen's. Weird. So---will try to upload Louise's image at the bottom. And not change anything else. Argh!


This is not the finished version below---and Louise had just started working in the light around the bouquet. She painted this on 20"x28" Leaf Green Colourfix and I cropped to the area about where Louise had marked off the paper.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jul-2008/77048-sBouquet.jpg

And here is a detail. I really loved the simplicity with which Louise painted the pink peony. All the leaves are quite individual. That is so refreshing! The small orange rose buds are lovely, too! Simple. Elegant. Straight forward. Pure painting! YOu can see the combination of Pan and stick strokes. They are playing well together. She did such a great job of "cutting into" the background with the lighter Pans to make the bouquet pop! The shapes are so interesting and varied. Very important!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jul-2008/77048-sBouquet-detail.jpg

And here is Karen's painting. As all of her pieces, just so fresh and full of energy! She beautifully uses the paper. This was Colourfix Aubergine. Look at the variety in her strokes. And the accents and more massed areas vs. the very small or gentle or delicate areas! Yum! Just visually delightful!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jul-2008/77048-sBouquet.jpg

Oh, you can see a bit of the actual bouquet to the right of Karen's painting. Notice how she had set up her eyelevel between the painting and the bouquet (subject) so that she could so easily glance between the two! Her colors (being a right-handed artist) are below to her right, so that she can glance down at her colors, up to the left to her painting and slightly to the right to her subject. All three are right in a tight triangle so that she can visually access any of the three components she is dealing with to make her painting.

Left-handed artists want to have their easel turned so that they can easily look at their subject to the left of their painting with their colors below and to the left of their body so that they can reach their colors easily with their left hand and glance at all three components as Karen and other right-handed artists can in their set-up.

Also---don't be "polite" and stick your paper in the sweet center/middle of a big board where you have to look through dead space or empty space of the board to get between the painting and the subject. duh!!!!! Really hard for a lot of folks! Here, practicality needs to rule! Right-handed's---place your pastel paper to the far right. Left-handed's---to the far left! Really! Life will be easier painting!

Take good care, all! Donna :-)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jul-2008/77048-sBouquet-photo.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jul-2008/77048-sBouquet.jpg

OK---now Louise's full painting WIP is in three places instead of no where---and Karen's has disappeared completely. EXTRA weird. So---I'm going to post this---and then add Karen's in a following post. When I hit 'upload' I get the correct image, but the program labels it with it's own number/title. Have never had THIS much trouble with this issue. Argh! Enjoy--even in multiples! Donna 8-0 :rolleyes:

Donna A
07-01-2008, 07:44 PM
Hi! OK---here is Karen's painting of Louise's bouquet!!! Please see the text that actually goes with in the previous post! :D Donna ;-}

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jul-2008/77048-sBouquet.jpg

Donna A
07-01-2008, 07:49 PM
OK---this is toooo bizarre! Now, from the Preview Post (post before last) the images of Karen's work showed up as Louise's painting---and then when I posted Karen's in the last post---the previous post showed her pieces, too, and not the full painting of Louise's. Wayyyy past weird. NOW---I'm going to post again again again the WIP of Louise's full painting. Text below below! :evil: Donna :cat:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jul-2008/77048-Louise-Bouquet.jpg

PeggyB
07-01-2008, 08:50 PM
Donna these are all just lovely despite the glitches in posting. At least you have been able to load something!

As Kat announced in the Pastel Strokes announcement, I'm supposed to be the host this month, but so far nothing will load for me, and that's holding up the whole WC pastel family who want to participate! I have cool pictures to share too! This has been a very busy birthday trying to take care of various art things...

Peggy

Donna A
07-01-2008, 10:18 PM
Hi, everyone! Well---I called our Peggy to say Happy Birthday to her!!! We had a nice long chat, in amongst her other phone calls! Her very dear hubby is fixing her dinner! She's extremely busy getting ready for a show and---of course---other fun things going on!

She will have marvelous photos for the Pastel Strokes---when she can get them uploaded! Those of you who have been taking part in that, and even those who have not yet, do take a look. I expect that she will make it wonderfully good fun for everyone!!! It's just the way she makes everything happen around her!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, PEGGY!!!!

And many, many more!!! Donna ;-}

Donna A
07-04-2008, 01:30 AM
Hi, everyone! Here is a piece painted by Karen in a very short time. She had to come late and leave early---but, one of the many beauties of PanP's is how fast we can create the essence of a scene. The photo is not from the same vantage point as Karen was working from, but till gives you an idea of what the still life looked like.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Jul-2008/77048-KH-RedPears-BrassBox-photo.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Jul-2008/77048-KH-RedPears-BrassBox.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Jul-2008/77048-KH-RedPears-BrassBox-detail.jpg

I think it is so important to be able to get the essence of a scene set down quickly in many situations, particularly with plein air paintings, with bouquets of flowers or with something where otherwise simply do not have much time to work on the actual subject!

Karen always uses the Colourfix paper as part of the painting and she has an uncanny way of selecting a ground color that will play so well with the subject. You can see some of the vine charcoal that she has used for her drawing. A lot of us here at Aldridge Studios love using the very thin 3-4mm Schmincke vine charcoal we order from Dakota. It comes in a box of 100. I go thru it pretty fast, but some of the artists order the box of 100 together and split it up. It is so much finer and more delicate than anything I have found elsewhere and I love the feel of drawing with it! Yum!

Have a Happy 4th of July! Donna ;-}

ElsieH
07-04-2008, 10:57 AM
:wave: Hi, Donna,
At Deborah Secor's suggestion, I returned to this thread and gave it a reread! Then I printed out the whole works and carried it down to my studio to cheer me on with my own second-day-experiments with my brand-new 20 pan landscape set! What fun!
I must admit, I printed out a 25% entire purchase coupon from my local art/craft store and ran right back to get more toys.... more tools to use! :lol:
Actually, the 20 pan set came with a nice starter assortment of tools...
I just go carried away! Yet, compared to what I pay for a good watercolor brush, these tools were cheap! :)

Thanks to both you and to Dobroah for your inspiration and encouragement!
I AM HAVING A BALL WITH PAN PASTELS!:clap: :clap: :clap:

Donna A
07-06-2008, 01:37 AM
Hi, Elsie!!!! Wow! Printed out the whole thing! Great! This thread really IS an encyclopedia about using the Pan Pastels, as it turns out! :) I was at a birthday party for a dear artist friend today---with a whole herd of other artists---and several got to talking about using the Pans. Was so fun to hear about even still more ways that one artist and a friend of hers, not there, had used! I'm going to ask her more about it when we have more mellow times to visit about it! I just keep hearing more and more fun things about what artists have done with these marvelous colors!!!

And then----sale or discount coupons are always marvelous!!!! :-) And sounds like you got a luscious one! yea!

Do get as many sponge tools as you can! I find it sooo handy! Yes, it is sooo easy to clean them off on a paper towel---but I have carried over the habit I have in my oil and acrylic painting of using many brushes for different color mixes I like into my use of the Pans. I am so happy to be able to pick up a different sponge tool (as with a brush) that is 'dedicated' to a particular color 'area' of dark or light, warm or cool, high intensity or low---often with a color mix I want to use over and over again, but not alllll at once---and keep it easily within the range I want. Yes---it's a bit on the lazy side, some may say. On the other hand---I can paint so much more fluidly, in whatever medium I am using, and faster---so I really appreciate having gotten more and more sponge tools!

On the other hand---yes---I can so easily get the sponge tool cleaned off with a few strokes on paper towel---and I've found ways that are so easy (almost all the time!) to mix just THE color I want fast---so it is soo possible to work with only a few sponge tools. I am just so happy that I ordered more when I ordered my Pans! They do work BOTH ways! :D

Do share with us your adventures with the Pans when you are ready! We all keep learning from each other and it's so great! Take good care! Enjoy enjoy! Donna ;-}

atelier_m
07-06-2008, 01:50 AM
Hello Donna,

I am an oil painting teacher and have several students who want to try/invest in pastels. Do you think pan pastels would be a better place for them to start than with the sticks. They seem like them might be more painterly. I wonder about the fact that the pans do not come in as many colors and values. Are you feeling limited by that or are you supplementing with other pastels in your collection?

Thanks! :wave:

Donna A
07-06-2008, 02:44 AM
Hello Donna,

I am an oil painting teacher and have several students who want to try/invest in pastels. Do you think pan pastels would be a better place for them to start than with the sticks. They seem like them might be more painterly. I wonder about the fact that the pans do not come in as many colors and values. Are you feeling limited by that or are you supplementing with other pastels in your collection?

Thanks! :wave:

Hi, atelier_m! Well--to start with---yes, there are sooo many ways in which the Pan Pastels are soooo much more painterly than the stick pastels. I love them both, you understand! And I love my oils, as well! But---one of the artists who does mostly private classes with me (due to 9-to-5 realities) she was wrestling with oils and wrestling with pastels. But one day, I let her use my Pans---and she fell in love! And then ordered the full set the next day! So---for months she has been so joyful in having found what she considers the perfect bridge between the two mediums. A lot of the artists who study with me work in more than one medium---and so many have added Pan Pastels to their 'stables' of materials. So often, I keep hearing artists stay something to the effect of "these are just so much fun!" "Addicted" is another word that pops up after they have used them a while. :)

Something else "cool" (OK---I'm showing my age!)---is that they play sooo well with the other pastels---and with other mediums! I was at a party today with a group of other artists---and one of the things we got to talking about was Pan Pastels and some of the discoveries. I was telling several of them about how I had even used the Pans to "fix" one of my oil paintings---a big cloud pattern that, several months after I had painted it, just seemed like it needed it bit of "rouge-ing!" :rolleyes: Well---it was sooo easy to just "blush up" this cloud where it needed it---in a couple of minutes---and then I re-varnished it. Several artists have fixed watercolors, too! Acrylic paintings, prints, etc. can be targets for the Pans.

Yes, I'm straying from your main question a bit, but just because of their breadth. I use almost all the things I understand in oil painting in my Pan Pastel work! So many of the things I've noted in this thread about using them, I've also noted that the idea applies to oil painting, etc.! So, there is a particular 'comfort zone' that exists.

There are things in using stick pastels that also apply to things I know in oil painting, as well. I'm just trying to be 'full' and fair about these comments.

But as far as painterly---yes---I absolutely find the Pans far more painterly, even tho so many say that my stick pastels are also painterly. It's just that it's so much "easlier" to pull off some of that great painterliness with the Pans. Yummy and easier!

They are pretty delicious! The limits of the color---considering that when I help oil painting artist learn color---(I have them use a limited palette)---the colors in the Pans is great. Yes--we need to mix black into colors we want really dark---just as we would in our oils---or as the pastel makers do in making really dark pastels. Yes---there are other things in oils we might do to get really dark-dark-dark colors instead of black. In oils, I rarely use black--but I do when I want/need it! In pastels, the pastel colormen absolutely use black in creating most of their dark darks!

Most alllll of the paintings I've done with the Pans have been with them ONLY. And I am super-super-picky about color!!!!! I am known as a colorist and I can get pretty much any color I want. As with most mediums---the red-violets can be the trickiest for the really dark r-v's. This has always been the hardest color to get in the very most rich, deep terms for lightfastness. And one of the first two questions I asked when I first met the Pan Pastel people last year at the International Assoc. of Pastel Societies convention, when they were first introduced, was about lightfastness! That is so importan to me---and to so many artists. Oils have stronger binders and that allows a better 'control' for lightfastness in some pigments---so I so very much appreciated that the Pan Pastel people had tests done immediately with the pigments they have used in their colors. Oils have pigments---the long-used Alizarin Crimson, an ASTM III (awful!!!)---that we all used for decades+, but it was all we had at the time. For sooo long, I never realized. argh! But there are new pigments and ways of testing that we can, for the most part, rely on.

Yes, I think the Pans would be a great and grand way of moving into pastels from oils! I love all my sticks (about 4700)---but have not used them much for---goodness---it's been almost 9 months now. I'm going to have to dust them off and tell them I still love them! But I also love the Pans! And my oils (also abandoned for a long time!) I love color! And the Pans deliver!

Now---pretty much everyone I've worked with or heard from who have bought smaller sets have lamented that they had not purchased the full set from the beginning. For those who do start with a smaller set---I suggest investing in the Painting Set of 20. It includes the 18 pure colors plus the black and white. They are going to be introducing a set of the 20 Tints and a set of the 20 Shades in a few months, so artists who invest in the Painting Set can add these other two sets and not duplicate colors! So it's a way of going into them gradually.

Still, there are a lot of coupons, sales, etc. which have let a lot of artists purchase them at a really great rate!

I've tried to give you a full view, being an artist who loves and uses all the mediums---tho have used mostly oils and pastels the last several years (and some great newer acrylics.) But for many months---mainly Pan Pastels.

Very best wishes for your artists! I wish everyone great joy in what they add to their adventures in painting! The Pans definitely are juicy and delicious---and very painterly!!! Donna ;-}

msue
07-06-2008, 10:06 AM
I am so glad I wandered into the Pastel Forum today. Most of my art is mixed media, but I do ocassionaly try my hand at a pastel and I've been curious about and wanting Pan Pastels every since I watched David Pyles video series from the Pastel Society show a year or so ago. I believe I'll give into the urge and order at least a starter set to add to my toys. Also, thank you for the mini pastel lesson you incorporated in these posts.:clap: :clap:

atelier_m
07-06-2008, 02:16 PM
Thank you, Donna, for your informative and very generous post. In fact, for all of your posts! You enthusiasm materializes right off the page. This sounds so good that I want to try them and will start watching for a coupon or sale today.

I do have a full set of Rembrandts and a few extra darks and such, that I purchased years ago to take a Harley Brown workshop. (Wonderful!) But, I'm an oil painter to the core and have never dived in again. This might do the trick.

I am going to have my students read this entire thread.

Thanks again! :clap:

Donna A
07-06-2008, 05:11 PM
Hi Tressa and Donna
well hope i have done this right posted you two of my pan pastel pics one of my nephew luke and one of a friend grandson tristan got lots of good comments did use some pastel pencils on the finer detail think it needed them but overall think they do a brill job. what do you think
ANN From England.
Hi, Ann! So glad to have you join us! Your portraits look great---tho I think they came through ultra-super-sized, evidently way over life-size by the texture in the paper on the second portrait. I can't see more than a small portion of either portrait at any one time, but I can see that your outlines have such a lovely flow to them and very rich with the variety in the thickness of your lines---and your lost edges, as well. Very elegant! Looks like you moved the areas of color beautifully, too. Glad you enjoyed using the Pans. I have just found them so fun AND fascinating to use! Something I like to do with portraits is use warm darks rather than cold darks for the details around eyes, nostrils and so forth.

Looks like we have a bit more to 'settle into' with the changes here at WC. Tres mentioned the new size limits for images had been increased and is now 800 px by 800 px---but there may still be some things they will be wanting to hone so that the images get downsized when we load larger files. There is a lot of empty white space around your images, as well, Ann---so that is something that must be coming from the recent changes in the upload software. They will get that fixed---so we can see your portraits each as a whole!

Ann, I hope you will be sharing more works with us! Always good to see the uniqueness with which each artist creates their paintings! Take good care! Donna ;-}

Tressa
07-06-2008, 05:40 PM
HAve sent a msg re the sizing of these:wave:

ElsieH
07-07-2008, 04:05 PM
:wave: I guess I had better be clearer about what I printed out as my little inspiration/guide to keep with me in the studio.
It wasn't the WHOLE THREAD :lol: , but those beginning lessons by Donna!:heart:
I have been making my way through the whole thread and learning from Donna's many great lessons and also from all the great questions and answers.
Donna, your great instructions on making your pastel trays/boxes are wonderful. I went out and bought some form core today and will be having fun constructing.
Yes, I agree with those who are wishing they had bought a complete set right off! But, our store only had the 20 landscape set and it got me into it while I was excited about trying them.
BTW, yes, I fess up, I came home with three new colorpans to add to my collection, today, besides the foam core sheets.:p
I am glad I bought extra sponges and applicators initially, too.
Thanks ALL of you for your great posts and to Donna for being our wonderful teacher!:heart: :heart: :heart:

Donn
07-07-2008, 10:01 PM
Hi Elsie. Welcome to our group. I was going to get the landscape PPs too but ended up with the 20 Painting set plus 10 additional pans. I made the boxes that Donna described. I have 15 in each box. Make a 3rd one to hold the extra sponges, tools and tops.
Donna's instructions on their use in the first part of this thread are really outstanding. I have a 1/2" 3 ring notebook full of her instructions so I can refer to them when I need to.
I haven't done much with mine yet, been doing a lot of Chinese Brush painting lately but hope to get back into doing someting with my PPs. I also haven't checked in that regularly here either....shame on me!

ElsieH
07-08-2008, 02:32 PM
:wave: Hi, Donn,
I got a binder, too, and have been printing out Donna's "lessons" as I come to them as I read through the thread. I am learning so much!
I'm just about to leave on a trip, mid-next week. When I get home, I think I will just order the rest of the colors I don't have. :rolleyes:
It looks like "Cheap Joe's" has the best prices per/pan. I like ordering from Dakota, but I think the price is higher there.

Shirl Parker
07-08-2008, 03:05 PM
Elsie, you might want to consider buying the full set from Dakota Pastels and trying to sell the smaller set you have. Compare the cost.

Donn
07-08-2008, 08:20 PM
Elsie, I seldom buy from Cheap Joes because the s/h is so high. So is ASW and Jerry's Artarama. Dick Blick has the best price for the PPs, I think, at $4.50 per color. And their s/h is more within my price range. Even their sets are less expensive than anywhere else. To me Dakota Pastels is way way too high in price for me. I'm retired and have very little to spend on art so have to watch things closely.
You can also check on Amazon.com. They have them listed there too. Right now I forget the dealer they get them from but they too are $4.50 each. I've gotten severaL That way too.

Rusla
07-09-2008, 12:39 AM
Welcome to the Pan Family Elsie. I have used them so much I have almost forgot how to use my sticks.

Donna, those pictures, all of them are to die for.

Randi-Lee

elmadon
07-09-2008, 08:28 AM
Just found this wonderful ongoing thread! new to Wet Canvas and pastels. Never heard of Panpastels - are they available in England?

Tressa
07-09-2008, 09:36 AM
Welcome to Pastel Forum and to the Pans!! And yes, they are available there, the info is in this thread, but I will try to locate it for you, I have it somewhere...
Here it is...

T N Lawrence & Son Ltd
208 Portland Road
Hove BN3 5QT
UK
Tel +44 1273 260260
Fax +44 1273 260270
www.lawrence.co.uk (http://www.lawrence.co.uk)

Tressa

helenh
07-09-2008, 09:56 AM
Here's a quick one I did using mostly Pans (about 75%) on watercolor paper coated with blue haze Colourfix 11x14. I still don't have enough colors to do one 100%, but I'm working on it. My aim here was to be loose and more expressionistic rather than realistic. That's when I feel happiest. C&C's are very welcome. Please let me know if you think this works. By the way, the photo reference was from our library. I think it was a terrific photo. Thanks for looking.

Helen

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ElsieH
07-09-2008, 10:16 AM
:wave:

Hi All,
I just went to Cheap Joe's web site to check on Pan Pastel prices. I was thinking of completing my set after I get back home from a trip in a couple of weeks. But.....!!!! They have a sale on!
The list price for pans: $5.99. Also, that is what my local Wisconsin Craft Market store sells them for.
Cheap Joe's usual price is $4.99.
They have a sale on now at $4.49 per pan.

Well, it did not take me long to figure I needed to order right now! :lol:
I did it, I did it, I did it! :clap: :clap: :clap:

Now I have to wait for delivery:D :eek: :D

BTW, the soft tools are on sale, too.

Ok, now get down to my studio and use what I have!:)

Tressa
07-09-2008, 10:20 AM
Very nice and loosly done, Helen. Colors are great! I would look at the eyes, and deepen/soften a bit, so they appear part of the body, as now they seem a little disconnected. Great job!

helenh
07-09-2008, 03:26 PM
Right on, Tressa. Thanks. I will do just that.

Helen

LoveFaces
07-09-2008, 11:13 PM
:wave: Hi Donna...I haven't been here in a while so I thought I'd drop by and say "Hi!"

Donn
07-17-2008, 08:50 PM
:wave: It's been a while since I commented here. Just want to let you all know I'm still alive and kicking!!!:)
Nicely done, Helen. I agree with Tressa, the eyes need a little work on. It will take a while to get all the colors you want. I have 30 of them, but a good Painting set plus others. DB has a good price of them too. That's where I got mine.
No, I haven't done much with mine lately. Lucky I can get a sketch in a month with the busy summer season. Too much work to do outside and too tired to do any art work afterwards.
Tried my hand at doing one seascape on Yupo. It's on my flickr.

ourcassidy!
07-28-2008, 09:56 AM
Good morning eveyone! Just wondering if you all are still using the pan pastels a lot or has the "new worn off" so to speak? Do you find you use them more than the sticks? Are you doing complete paintings or say 50-50...50% sticks-50% pans?

There has been some really beautiful work done with them, but of course with the sticks as well.

Just wondering since this thread has been so quite for a while. I think I am in the stage of trying to find the right medium for me. I love the look of oils as I think there is a richness that is unbeatable, watercolor is where I started and currently have been working mosty in colored pencils and a few pastels sticks. Fear I am in the perverabile slump for a while now. I, in the past have bought several art supplies for "when" I get around to using them...lol...but since this is somewhat pricey and I am trying zero in on something to get me excited about art again I want to be sure when I make my purchase. I love the immediate reward given in the pastels...just cant contend with the dust factor using the traditional sticks of pastel.

Thanks, Pam

Wrichards
07-30-2008, 02:04 PM
Im loving them, I block in the entire painting and do 85%+ detail with them. Its so easy and fast with them, they are esental to my style of pastel. I cant see "building up" a painting without them :)

heres one of my last ones, done in about an hour 100% with PanPs... easy/peezy

http://i34.tinypic.com/14jnfj4.jpg



MISS YOU DONNA! GOOD THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS TO YOU!

Dougwas
07-30-2008, 02:26 PM
Good job Richard. The back lighting looks great with the hinting of grass and flowers in the b/g. How big is the painting?

Doug

Wrichards
07-30-2008, 02:43 PM
ops sorry ;) its smallish 9x11" on Artfix paper. Im gonna paint it again larger and see if the effect holds up. thinking like 20x30ish....

ourcassidy!
07-30-2008, 08:09 PM
Richard, really like the softness produced in this one too! For it's small size it conveys a lot of depth...really nice! Pam

PeggyB
07-30-2008, 11:22 PM
Very nice piece Richard. I like the soft and semi-hard edges and your chouce of colors.

I talked to Donna this afternoon. She has been well for the last four days! :clap: She's also been extremely busy on some special projects involving Pan Pastels so that's why we've not heard from her on this thread in the last 3 weeks. She said to tell everyone thank you for the good thoughts and prayers, she misses you, and will return when "business" is finished. She stayed up until 5:30AM the other night/morning working on one of them! :eek: Oh yah, and it wasn't her foot she broke, but rather her knee that was severly twisted. I knew it was some body part... :lol:

Peggy

Dougwas
07-31-2008, 12:00 AM
Thanks for the info Peggy. I'm glad to know that Donna is up and about and busy as usual. With one good leg she can still kick me in the butt when I deserve it.:lol:

Looking forward to your return Donna.:)

Doug

ourcassidy!
07-31-2008, 10:08 AM
Peggy, thanks for the update on Donna! Glad to know she is doing much better. I am sure the pan pastel project she in which she is involved will be a smah hit! She has a great ability for conveying her excitment and love for them in her writings. Her excitment is contagious...

Pam

ourcassidy!
07-31-2008, 10:14 AM
Peggy, just taking a look at your web site again. Hard to say which are my favorites but if I had to pick it might be the sunsets! Love the Tuscan Sunset. All great work!

Pam

PeggyB
07-31-2008, 12:52 PM
Peggy, just taking a look at your web site again. Hard to say which are my favorites but if I had to pick it might be the sunsets! Love the Tuscan Sunset. All great work!

Pam

Thank you Pam. Would you believe that particular sunset was even more red than I painted it? It was so intense it cast a red-orange shadow across the dry fields of Tuscany - I was on a hill just above the city of Cortona on the first of 10 days in Tuscany. If the dollar value ever gets nearer to that of the Euro, I'll go back to Italy in a heartbeat.

Peggy

Donna A
08-03-2008, 12:32 AM
Hi, Everyone!!! Pardon my long absence! I have been sooo busy! Whew! Tonight I am just enjoying 'melting.' :cat: Peggy, dear wonder, thank you sooo much for calling and checking in with me. Awwwww. :wave:

Will tell you all about some of the PanPastel-related adventures later---and will have some fun other news to announce formally soon!

For now---do look for my Golden Fields painting on the new packaging of the PanPastel Landscape Sets. Gee---kinda fun! The colors in the painting are essentially the ones included in the set. Fun! :-)

I just keep learning more and more about these marvelous colors---and sounds like you all are, as well! :-) Richard, loved your most recent painting! These are so amazing! How great that you have been able to just rip thru your pastel paintings as you've been able to do! It is sooo wonderful that they just move so richly across the painting surface! :clap:

I've been so busy that I have not even photoed all the PanP paintings folks have been doing in the classes. blush

Bonnie said the other day that, "I don't even know why I bother bringing my stick pastels. I hardly seem to use them. And you know---I only meant to use them for the underpaintings." :lol: I know, Bonnie. That was my first thought, too! :) They just surprised me. What can I say. :)

One of the things I keep hearing myself chanting in classes and workshops lately is RELATE RELATE RELATE!!! Well, I've pretty much always said that, but I keep finding that it is such an important issue that is too often forgotten. OR---not considered from the beginning.

Do be certain that you are looking for Shapes of Colors rather than objects. Shapes of Color is Intuitive and Right Hemisphered---and the Objects are "balance-the-checkbook thinking" and Left Hemi!!! Both are important in our lives. One way is essential to good painting in our lives!!!! Fine to do both---but at appropriate times!

And PLANES!!!! Don't forget to look at the Planes and how the light falls differently upon each Plane---and makes the color change!

In classes this summer, we've been taking one week of class and focusing on some particular issue. In June, it was Edges! I realized that it could be a whole workshop, but we 'crammed' it into three hours. And it has helped a LOT! Then in July---Center of Interest and the Visual Journey Thru the Painting. Yep---made a difference. I began to realize that when I would ask an artist what their Center of Interest was, I'd often get a bit of a 'deer in the headlights' look. Now, there are some extremely experienced and really fine painters---but---I gotta say, a lot of them were "I dunno"-ing as much as some of the earlier-stage painters. So, just something for everyone to keep in mind---no matter what medium we are using or what brand of colors we are using!

Oh, Pam---like shoes---different mediums fit different people---and some us have used most or all of them! (some decades under the belt, now!) For me, I just LOVE COLOR!!! And whatever delivers it is exciting. I just happen to have found so many adventures with the PanPastels since I started using them Fall 2007. I've mostly used pastel and oil in the last couple of years but have used, in depth, pretty much every painting, drawing and printmaking medium. All are fascinating. And, like trying on shoes---we just have to give them a try. One of the artists who studies with me with private classes (that old 9-to-5er and all her out-of-town work gets in the way of most classes) was struggling with both pastels and oils---but has found the PanPastels to be the utterly perfect balance between both---for ease, for color, for painterliness and so forth. And Bonnie, whom I quoted above, never intended to use them 'deeply.' A lot of the artists who study with me have been using them exclusively---and I'm the person who says EXPERIMENT and I don't care what medium or what brand artists use! But you do have to try them and see how they work for you. There ARE things to learn, as with any other brand/medium, that we need to learn---and certainly with this very different approach to delivering color, there are utterly delicious techniques that take us beyond what might be the average use of any material! No one should ever judge by their first uses of something new. So many things run 'deeper' than what we assume or experience in the beginning. And it's the most exciting if we always understand it all as an Adventure!!! Very best wishes for finding THE medium for you, Pam!!! (But do know---there may be more than one that really excite!!!)

Now, a busy day tomorrow---and then some day, I'll clean house, too. :lol: Take good care, everyone! Donna ;-}

msue
08-03-2008, 12:44 AM
OOOH, I keep getting these updates and I want to order a set of Pan Pastels so bad, but then I turn from my computer and see the horrible mess my art room is and can't justify the expense. I will be ordering just as soon as I find my work table under the huge pile of stuff .

Donna A
08-03-2008, 01:29 AM
OOOH, I keep getting these updates and I want to order a set of Pan Pastels so bad, but then I turn from my computer and see the horrible mess my art room is and can't justify the expense. I will be ordering just as soon as I find my work table under the huge pile of stuff .

Oh, dear msue! I glanced into my studio a few moments ago. I would perish if.... Well, I don't really want to admit just how MUCH I need to clean up my studio, too! :-) I understand. It's just that I've never found a connection between...:lol:...well, that is to say---I can always find a corner, if it comes to that! :o (And it has!)

I absolutely swear that this next week---I AM going to get the studio or-gan-iz-i-zied! Really! (never mind how many weeks I've been saying that!) Very, very best wishes to you! And to all of us who have a 'few things to pick up' in our studios! :D Have fun when you do get the PanPastels ordered!!! Donna ;-}

Dougwas
08-03-2008, 02:54 AM
First of all, the Pans really don't take up too much room msue, so I'm sure if you shuffled a little here and there you will have enough room for these little babies.

Second of all, WECOME BACK DONNA!!! I can't wait for you to let us in on your little secret. It is so good to hear from you. I hope your knee is better.


Doug

Tressa
08-03-2008, 10:47 AM
Take a deep breath Donna! Welcome back!!
This is a painting from life that I set up when Helenh came over for an all day Pan class, and we both painted my pottery. All pans except for the base of the curly willow. Xposted in the gallery. Tressa
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Aug-2008/76189-Provencale_3_002.jpg

PeggyB
08-03-2008, 09:37 PM
I like your color choices Tres - but take another look at the elipses on the pot in front... :evil: I know, I know, there she goes again with elipses! :lol:

(for anyone who thinks I'm picking on Tres, you should know we've had this discusion before, and we do it in friendship.)

Peggy

Tressa
08-04-2008, 06:33 AM
yea,yea:evil: :lol: , saw it....Tres

ElsieH
08-04-2008, 11:14 AM
:wave: Hi, All,
Oh, I can relate to the messy studio sight! Been traveling for several weeks,
then organizing my newest "completer" order of PanP's that arrived while I was gone....it happens: I work on organizing one part the rest gets messy! :lol:
I have been making the trays like Donna's out of foam core. They are really wonderful. While I had my packing tape gun out and armed, I covered the whole of each tray, inside and out. Big job now, hopefully help in ease of cleaning.
Instead of putting numbers under each pan, I cut part of the little label off the seal-band that was around each pan, and with a little packing tape a-fixed it to the tray.

Tres: Lovely warm colors. I love the highlights. Wow! :clap: :clap: :clap:

OH, Donna, welcome back! Do take care of yourself....I know you enjoy the work, and give 120 %, but don't over work...we love you! :heart:

Happy PanPastelling!

Donna A
08-04-2008, 10:27 PM
:wave: Hi, All, <snip>
I have been making the trays like Donna's out of foam core. They are really wonderful. While I had my packing tape gun out and armed, I covered the whole of each tray, inside and out. Big job now, hopefully help in ease of cleaning.
Instead of putting numbers under each pan, I cut part of the little label off the seal-band that was around each pan, and with a little packing tape a-fixed it to the tray.
Hi, Elsie!!! What a great idea to cut apart the little bit of label from the seal-band! That is brilliant!!! And ever so neat and tidy---just like ALLL our studios. (yes, jest kiddin' about that last part!) :D

Tres: Lovely warm colors. I love the highlights. Wow! :clap: :clap: :clap:

OH, Donna, welcome back! Do take care of yourself....I know you enjoy the work, and give 120 %, but don't over work...we love you! :heart:

Happy PanPastelling!
Oh, thank you, Elsie! Awwwww! And now---back to work! Geeeee! It has just been soooo busy lately!

We have two and a half more weeks of Summer Session Classes---and portrait session this weekend---and then two weeks (where I will not do nuthin' now and then---and paint and play more catch up!) (on the other hand---will miss the artists who come regularly!) (such amazing people! as you all are!!! wonderful to have such lovely people in one's life!)

Stay cool everyone! Bit challenging for many of us right now! Whew! Take good care! Donna ;-}

ElsieH
08-06-2008, 10:22 AM
Richard,
I absolutely love this painting! I keep returing to it for another look.
I've been messing around for several years with trying to do Tall Grass Prairie painting...I live in Wisconsin. I can never seem to "get it right" to convey the feeling one has when one is "in" the prairie. I'm now inspired to paint "up-close". I have a neighbor who has turned their rural yard into a restored Tall Grass Prairie. Think I'll got over and do some photo exploring and then plan to paint. Thanks for sharing this painting and for being an inspiration!:clap: :clap: :clap:

[quote=Wrichards]
heres one of my last ones, done in about an hour 100% with PanPs... easy/peezy

http://i34.tinypic.com/14jnfj4.jpg

Donna A
08-08-2008, 12:52 AM
Hi, Elsie---and Richard! How lovely, Elsie, that you are so inspired by Richard's latest beautiful painting! I so very much believe that "our job on the planet as artists" is to let others see things in a way they might not have seen before. And then---we keep building on the visions around us, wether IRL or shared by others. I think it's pretty exciting!!! Looking forward to what comes from this delicious inspiration!!! Yea!!! :clap: :clap: for both of you!!! Donna ;-}

Donna A
08-08-2008, 01:10 AM
Hi, Everyone! I've been so fascinated listening to Bonnie's experiences in class lately. She's come to all three classes this week (two of them to make up after trips) and she has been bringing both her PanPastels and her sticks---and keeps reaching for her Pans, continuing to wonder why she continues bringing her sticks. :)

Today she and I worked a bit with mixing just the 'right feel' of gray to use in her new painting. She is working on Aubergine Colourfix from a photo she took somewhere rather exotic. I must ask her where. You may remember one of her most recent---the man in the white and pale yellow robes in India.

Mixing just the right quality for grays can be challenging. The pure grays, in their 4 values, were too neutral for what she needed. The cool gray-looking tint of the Paynes Gray was certainly too blue for her needs, too. We worked with picking up the next-to-darkest gray (can't remember the number) and then dipping into the Tint of Red Oxide---then back into the gray. That got her into the right neighborhood.

We also worked with the other warm reddish or orangy tints sandwiched in between dips into the gray. We also tried the darkest gray, making a good swipe across the pan followed by just pressing the sponge tool straight down onto the pure Red Oxide to pick up just a bit of color, and then another swipe into the darker gray.

I find that I so often dip back and forth into two or three colors to create mixtures that get the color I want. It's become a very easy, comfortable habit. But it only came with experimenting, trying different pressures, different mixtures of color, etc. It's much easier having a good understanding of color and what different pigments do to and with each other, too.

One of the things we talked about today was what I always suggest to artists when mixing colors---as you look at what you have mixed so far---and then ask yourself if it is too red, too yellow, or two blue. If too blue, you likely need some combination of more red and yellow. Simplest to consider things in terms of the 3 Primaries.

I'll upload the Mixing Color pdf file I've shared before. There may be some of you who have not read it before. I find color-mixing sooooo easy using this procedure, no matter what medium I am using! I hope you might find it useful, too! Best wishes! Donna ;-} ps---yes---stillllll toooo busy! D ;-}

Donn
08-10-2008, 10:28 PM
Great painting, Richard. Like the softness of this one.

julierayharley
08-11-2008, 06:03 PM
PANPASTELS ARE IN AUSTRALIA. YOU CAN ORDER THEM THROUGH ANYWHERE THAT SELLS ART SPECTRUM. jUST ASK YOUR ART SUPPLIER.

Verla
08-21-2008, 10:40 PM
Hi, All, well it seems to have been awhile since I posted anything here. Having a busy life just doesn't leave much time for any one thing especially my pastel painting. I am planning to head for a 5 day workshop at the Autumn Art Workshop in Halsey, Nebraska in a couple of weeks and am really looking forward to it since there will be nothing I have to do except paint. My most recent project has been to work on a disk of photos that I would like to make available to artists for reference. But I am not sure whether people would be interested. When I take my photos, I try to take them with the idea of painting from them, so often I take the same subject from different angles as well as closeups so I usually have plenty of references. Well, I can't think any longer so will post this. Verla

Rusla
09-01-2008, 02:39 PM
Hi All,

I have been absent for quite some time and I have done no painting in two months. Well actually that is a lie. I just did two Highland Games here this weekend and as I work in leather and was painting and tooling pictures on handmade sporrans. The games were good, frantic, freezing cold as it snowed in Canmore and now I have a cold.

I have another show involving leather in one month and one for travel also. So I am still busy but now I will also get back to my art and here. Actually this month I am hosting the oil pastel challenge. So I have to put in more time there also.

Just wanted to say hi and missed all of you.

Randi-Lee

Donn
09-01-2008, 03:50 PM
You're not the only one that hasn't been doing much in the way of painting. I haven't touched my PPs for quite a while, concentrating on Chinese brush painting.

BTW, speaking of oil pastels, I have a set of 25 Cra-Pas Specialist oil pastels I want to get rid of if anyone is interested. Less than half price from any on-line dealer. I just don't have the time or interest. All almost brand new.

aszurblue
09-02-2008, 03:46 PM
Hi Everyone, I have been fallowing this huge thread for awhile now. Just received my set of PanPastels(the 20 color set) plus extra tools. But in the excitement of ordering I forgot one little detail.... The Paper!!!:o :o So here I set waiting for order number two!!

I do have questions though.... Can I use my pastel pencils for the sketching/ drawings?
What I have is a set of Stabilo Carb Othello's. Charcoal and I do not mix very well... I recently tried some Peel & Sketch charcoal pencils and did somewhat better, but just not comfortable with them.
Will PP's cover the charcoal completely? And last, will the charcoal change the colors of the PP's, you know like mix in with the color and gray it down? Azure

Donn
09-02-2008, 08:35 PM
Hi Azure,
Glad to hear you got your PPs. I also have the 20 color painting set with about 10 extra colors. Yes, paper does help! If you have any watercolor paper you could use that until you get any pastel paper. I have used the PPs on smooth paper, and it will work, but not great. It has no tooth to help hold it, but it does go on.

Yes, you can use pastel pencils to sketch what you need. As far as charcoal goes, use the vine charcoal as it comes up very easily. I have used it on canvas as well as paper. It comes up with no trace just by brushing it away with your fingers. I have not tried it with PPs, however.

I wouldn't trust any other type of charcoal for drawing unless it was intended to be a charcoal drawing.

aszurblue
09-02-2008, 09:38 PM
Hi Donn, I do have watercolor paper, lots and lots of it, so maybe will give the PP's a whirl tomorrow. Which of the extra colors did you get? I thought about it, but was unsure at this point what I might need.

The pencil I was trying is called a Peel & Sketch Charcoal from General's brand. It didn't rub away(using my finger), just got lighter?? When I put a piece of vine charcoal in my hand, I end up with it everywhere..Fingers, hands, arms, nose, clothes, plus smearing my drawing:( :rolleyes: Azure

Dougwas
09-02-2008, 10:09 PM
Hi Azure

I use vine charcoal for a drawing with the Pans on sanded paper. Just blow the excess charcoal away and you will have a light line drawing and the Pans will go over it with no problem. I don't know about wc paper though.

As Donn said, you can use a pastel pencil for your drawing. You can also use a pastel stick if you can find an edge. You can mix the Pans with the sticks.

Good luck.


Doug

Donn
09-02-2008, 10:17 PM
Hi Azure, With vine charcoal, you have to be very careful with. It's so light it breaks quickly. You only need a light touch anyway, just to give you an idea of where you want things. No elaborate details, just a general outline. I got a box of 10 stick from Yarnell and I am still on one stick...yes, it did break in half finally.

I'd have to go back and check to see what additional colors I got. I made up 3 trays line Donna did, to hold my PPs. They are all mixed. I know I got some shades and tints of the original colors in the set. I got them on a good sale, that's why I got the extras. Got my original set from DB when they had a 20% discount. Believe I got my extra colors through Amazon.com.

I even got an extra Yellow Ochre today in the mail from Pastel Journal when I subscribed. Doln't need the color but can use the sponges. Thought I might get a color I didn't have. But no such luck!

Watercolor paper should work fine. I've used both HP and CP. Of course CP has more "tooth".

Have fun with them.

helenh
09-03-2008, 09:08 AM
I often use the vine charcoal to sketch before applying the PPs. One trick I learned was to blot the charcoal lines with a chamois. A faint line remains, but the loose charcoal disappears. If you have lots of watercolor paper and want more tooth, try coating it with Colourfix primer. It comes in clear, white, and lots of colors. I also bought the 20 color painting PP set and added to it. The best advice I could give is see what other colors you wish you had after using them for a while. I found that I wanted black to mix with, additional greens and yellows, and some other lovely shades and tints.

aszurblue
09-03-2008, 10:56 AM
I don't have Colourfix primer, but do have something by Grumbacher called matte Myston workable fixative? It says its for pastel, charcoal and pencil. But I have had it for sometime now. How long can you keep this stuff? Also do you need to spray outside? The last time I used it was in a really large class room. On the can, it tells you to open all doors and windows?

I will give the vine charcoal another try and fallow directions this time:o :lol:

I know I will want more colors, because I wanted them All when I got the 20.

Thank's everyone..... Azure

helenh
09-03-2008, 11:43 AM
Please be sure and post some of your work here or in the gallery.

Donna A
09-03-2008, 04:04 PM
Hi Everyone, I have been fallowing this huge thread for awhile now. Just received my set of PanPastels(the 20 color set) plus extra tools. But in the excitement of ordering I forgot one little detail.... The Paper!!!:o :o So here I set waiting for order number two!!

I do have questions though.... Can I use my pastel pencils for the sketching/ drawings?
What I have is a set of Stabilo Carb Othello's. Charcoal and I do not mix very well... I recently tried some Peel & Sketch charcoal pencils and did somewhat better, but just not comfortable with them.
Will PP's cover the charcoal completely? And last, will the charcoal change the colors of the PP's, you know like mix in with the color and gray it down? Azure

Hi, Azure! I see that our fellow PanPastel painters have shared some great thoughts with you already! I have not used any of my pastel pencils for ages, so have not tried them for sketching before using the Pans, but several of the artists who study with me have used them over the Pans very successfully. I'll check it out when I have a moment.

The Peel & Sketch charcoal pencils are usually combined with heavy amounts of oily materials to increase the darkness of the charcoal and to make sure it stays where it is drawn. It is usually more intended simply for the medium of drawing than as a sketch material for painting mediums, even tho some do use it under paintings. Its biggest issue to me is that when roughing in a composition for a painting is that we often need to move things around a bit. This type of pencil charcoal+ doesn't move! It may smear, but it still shows where it was laid down. And sometimes, it just does not cover up well---and I've seen it react unhappily with with some materials painted on over it. It's wonderful for formal drawings. Great darks!

When beginning a painting, I prefer, if using charcoal, drawing with vine charcoal because it is so mellow. For large oil paintings, I usually draw with a small filbert brush with oil wash. For PanPastel paintings, I've often been drawing with the little mini-applicator or the applicator tool with the wooden handle and interchangeable tips (which are pretty cool for some other uses, too!!!) And I had not noticed them with the first order I placed, so only had one in my hand a month or so later. Love it and I know I've talked about things I could do with it that were different that what other tools do---like some of the cloud areas on the Nebraska Sunrise painting (where I used the mini-applicator to do a very careful drawing that is about 2'x3'.)

I've used vine charcoal for some of my Pan painting beginnings---and, where i wanted the intensity of the colors to be lowered, I purposefully left the vine charcoal just as it was when I finished the drawing. I think there are some step-by-step photos of some of the drawing processes early and mid-way thru the thread. Where I did not want the charcoal to become mixed with the the Pans (or pastel sticks or oil or acrylic) I would knock off loose vine charcoal (usually outside by pounding the back of the foamcore board the paper or board is mounted on) and then I'll give a light to light-moderate and very even spray of fixative. Yes, you want to run your hand over it to be sure it's set. Ya don't want to spray so much that you glaze it over. I've seen some get some pretty slick spots by spraying wayyyy tooooo much fix in a spot or two.

You mentioned having some problems with using vine charcoal. I've seen a lot of artists pressing way too hard, making terribly hard, wide, strong marks from the very beginning of their drawing. Folks keep talking about my having such a very light touch (with vine, with pastel sticks, etc) for many of the strokes I make. Yes, on the other end, I also sometimes make very strong, powerful marks. But not when laying down my drawing. I do start very light. If I need to, sometimes I'll use part of my hand, little finger, etc, as a support when I'm making a very specific line I want very delicate when drawing.

When I don't like where I've made some of my marks, I can swipe my hand across the surface and get rid of them FAST and keep going in the flow! When I'm happy with general placement/mass, I can go back with a slightly stronger line (still very light, still very delicate) and further define, adjust, emphasize, etc! And on and on, if necessary.

I do very much dislike most of the vine charcoal found in most art stores. Short telephone poles. Ugh. Chuncky wide and sometimes not all that soft or smooth. I've been spoiled for some years since I thankfully discovered the Schimncke Vine Charcoal 3-4 mm size, at Dakota Pastels for northern America artists, Schimncke Zeichenkohle 3-4 mm for those who might be looking for it in other parts of the world. It comes in boxes of 100 and is about $20. Some of the artists here have ordered it together and shared the sticks. But then they have to reorder and many just end up buying full boxes for themselves---maybe several ordering their boxes together and sharing the shipping fee. So---just something to think about.

The much finer size lets the drawing process just feel soooo much more elegant and delightful. Yes, I can use the clunkier sticks---there is so much in the 'touch' one develops in their drawing habit. But---this charcoal is so wonderful to use! And lasts a long time and pays you back every penny's worth of investment! You may be spending more money on the charcoal you are using now.

More later! Back to my long ToDo list! :-) Best wishes! Donna ;-}

Dougwas
09-03-2008, 06:06 PM
DONNA!!! :wave: How are you doing? It has been a long time sinse we've seen you around here. What have you been up to? A lot I bet. I hope you are taking care of yourself.

I hope to see you around here more often.

Doug

Donna A
09-04-2008, 03:26 AM
Hi, Doug! Yes, very busy---part of it working on some PanPastel things. I've been asked to give a program for the Greater Kansas City Art Association Sept. meeting and it will be fun to introduce that group, who work in a wide variety of mediums, to many of the marvelous possibilities where PanPastels can be so great!!!

I'm also working on plans for a two and a half day PanPastel Workshop in Key West, Florida next March. I'll make a 'formal announcement' once things get up on their web site, which should be sometime later this month. So you all are rightfully the first to know!

Have been doing a lot of writing and not as much painting as I had expected. I start Fall Classes next week, so have had a bit of a 'vacation' tho have just been so busy, but a bit lazy now and then. Has been nice! :wink2:

There have been a few new discoveries with the Pans---but, I must report later. Time to turn into a pumpkin! Take good care! Donna ;-}

ElsieH
09-05-2008, 10:10 PM
:wave: Hi, All!

As I was working with my PanP's and happened to be painting some trees etc. and could not get just the right color.....There next to my PanP's was my new set of Maggie Price's Value set from Terry Ludwig...my family spoils me! :heart:

Well, they are square in shape....there was the color I needed. I just dipped my little plastic palette knife tool onto the surface....It worded like a charm!
Not that I plan on needing lot of other colors, but any square one: Ludwig, Great Americal Art Works etc. has a nice surface that you can dip into when needed. I did a little test on the round ones....not as easy to get a good pickup, but it works. :clap:

Verla
09-05-2008, 10:41 PM
Hi, All, it is always good to read everyone's comments about the pan pastels. I just recently finished up my pan pastel plein aire setup similar to Donna's. I took Donna's PP workshop last spring and joined her at the Overland Park Arboretum where I was able to photograph her setup. She also sent me her handouts for setting up the PP's. I did cut the big tray that holds all the pastels and tools too deep for the shallow trays of PP's but a second layer on the bottom under the trays raises it to just the right height. I am planning to take them with me to Halsey so am trying to get everything ready to go. I have almost everything ready to go and am looking forward to the chance to do nothing but paint, sleep and eat. I really like Terry Ludwig's pastels, he has some of the most luscious colors I have ever seen. I was able to purchase two sets last September when he was the pastel instructor at Halsey as well as several miscellaneous ones that he gifted us with during class. Well, take care and I'll write more later. v

Dougwas
09-05-2008, 11:16 PM
Elsie- Great tip. I never even thought of that. I have the TL dark set so I will try your tip the next time I need darks for a Pan painting.

Verla- Paint, sleep and eat? Wow, that sounds good to me.:thumbsup: Have fun and paint lots. We always like photos.:)

Doug

Donna A
09-09-2008, 02:17 AM
Hi, everyone! Tonight I presented a program on PanPastel for the Greater Kansas City Art Association. They really did get excited about them! We had a great time! I laid out Pans for artists to experiment with during the break after their business meeting. There were soooo many great questions---and that was before the program even began! More great questions during. Someone who said she'd "struggled with watercolors for so many years---and had been thinking about going into pastels, but wonder if" she "did, would it be better to start with stick pastels or Pans." Hmmmm---so Vicki Thompson was there (you've seen her works in this thread) and I asked her if she'd share with the group which she would choose. "PanPastel!!!" The GKCAA prez is going to begin using Pans with his watercolors, he told me as we were packing up allll the 'stuff' I took. He's a watercolorist who had been using sticks sometimes to do fixes---but had to give them up because of the dust. He, like so many others are thrilled to know there is so much less mess. Bev Amundsen, our immediate past prez of MidAmerica Pastel Society, asked what were the downsides, since every medium has them. The biggest complaints I've heard have been not having a great really dark foliage green---but then I did show them several ways to mix greens like that pretty fast as you are painting. And then did say that I thought probably mixing colors was the most challenging for painters---but mainly if they have problems with mixing color in other mediums. It is certainly a different way of mixing colors---because it IS a different material that we've had before. I think if we have a good sense of color, the relationships between colors and how to see and use color, the color mixing with the Pans becomes a bit of a 'snap' within a short time.

I was sooo impressed with the questions that they all asked. I brought a number of paintings and passed around smaller works and sponges and other things. I tried to do all the things I would want---to see up close, feel, hear about, play with and so on.

Today in class, Gloria did a wonderful bouquet of flowers that Bev brought in from her garden. Glorious. One of the other artists arranged them. A LOT of flowers in a huge bouquet---and very complicated. We got a very slow start today and it was nearly an hour into class before Gloria began her painting. She got sooo much done using almost exclusively her PanPastel! (She told me today that she'd done her 'homework'---drawing---during our two weeks off class. Gee---I really think it showed! She worked sooo much faster---so between her drawing and her Pans---she did GREAT! Will finish from photos I took today. I'll get them uploaded in the next day or so and let you see. Some of you may enjoy painting the yummy bouquet in fuschias, mid-violets, whites and a few accents of deep red and cool pinks.

Has been more busy time! Hope you all have had some wonderful painting time! More soon! Take good care! Donna ;-}

Tressa
09-09-2008, 07:07 AM
Hi Donna! I agree about the greens, but they are bright ,vibrant, and muted in tones; the dark green in the set is very easily mixed to get some beautiful colors. I have mixed the various greens with the dark purple, the blues, and the dark reds,even the dark greys and earth colors to get some totally luscious greens ranging from spruce,olive,to brownish and blackish green, along with yellows, both the brights and ochres to get some lovely yellow/greens.
I will be in NYC this Saturday the 13th at the PSA show, and will be seeing Bernie there. Along with the show is the Materials Fair, and some demos.
Tressa

Wrichards
09-09-2008, 04:03 PM
Great to hear :) Im still lovin these pans, but MORE COLOURS PLZ!!!! :) an Intense dark set is somthing im very much waiting for. I have tweeked the greens like Tressa but Id rather have darks more right outa the box. Its realy my only complaint (for lack of a better work)

anyway, rock on Donna ;)

Tressa
09-09-2008, 05:45 PM
I am so pleased to say that my painting "Evening Storm on the Chesapeake" is being published in the Jack Richeson 75 2008 hardover Landscape/Seascape edition.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Sep-2008/76189-Evening_Storm_June_4_001.jpg

Wrichards
09-09-2008, 06:21 PM
FANTASTIC!!!!! Mucho Gratz, well deserved :)

bchlvr
09-09-2008, 07:12 PM
Gorgeous painting Tressa! congratulations!!!!

Dougwas
09-09-2008, 07:20 PM
Congratulations Tressa!!! Fantastic painting.

Doug

bchlvr
09-09-2008, 09:48 PM
I haven't posted this before because it is too "political" but this is a portrait I did with mostly pan pastels and some pencils...it is much softer in real life.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Sep-2008/74106-Obama-3.jpg

ourcassidy!
09-09-2008, 11:43 PM
Tressa, Congratulations! Still haven't done anything about buying the PanPastels, but do like the looks of the $35 off this week. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't caught up in the moment so to speak. You all and especially Donna have shared so much and I thank you and everyone for that. You all make learning fun!
Pam

ElsieH
09-10-2008, 10:10 AM
:wave:

Donna, Thanks for sharing about the presentation and how well people took to the PanP's! I echo the idea about the greens. But, I've been mixing as I need and find the PP's do mix well, if done gently! Also, that was the need that got me to reaching over to my Great Amer. square and Terry Ludwig square pastels with my tools to pick up colors I needed. The more I use PP's the better I like them!
Also, I noticed how well the PP's work with watercolors, too:
I had a painting that just didn't work...one of those that starts out well and then fizzles! :lol: Well, as a nothing ventured..idea, I went at it with my pans and just sort of played with it. The painting didn't improve, but I did notice how well the PP's went into the watercolor paper and on top of the watercolor.

Oh, Tressa! What a spectacular sky! Two of my favorite things: clouds and water! Congrats!:clap: :clap:

Obama portrait: Great! Nice to see some examples of PP's in portraits, too.

Dougwas
09-10-2008, 10:30 AM
Good job Linn! A very good likeness.

Doug

Verla
09-11-2008, 08:52 PM
Hi, All, from Verla in Halsey! Yes, I am here. Arrived yesterday around 3 after 8.5 hour drive. My friend, Sally, came with me to help with the driving. It is great to be here. There are 19 in the class and several do not know what pan pastels are and are anxious to see me use them. So am I! Bob Rohm's technique is different from what I have learned so am learning a lot. Since values are my bugaboo he is of tremendous help. I am expecting to learn ALOT this week. Having a laptop with wireless access is a great boon. The 4-H camp where we are has wireless access so it is nice to be able to keep in touch. I will post more later as the week progresses. v

ElsieH
09-11-2008, 11:27 PM
:wave: Hi, Verla!
Enjoy your stay and workshop! Sounds wonderful!
Have fun and keep us posted what you are learning!
:clap:

Donna A
09-12-2008, 12:35 AM
Hi, Verla! Oh how lovely to be back in Halsey! I have such fun memories of the two years I did the four workshops there! Everyone, it IS a grand place to be! Folks just love it there---and truly NOTHING one needs do is sleep, eat and PAINT! Plus a lot of laughing! The Nebraska Sunrise painting is of a photo I took up there at Halsey! And the painting on the new cover of the PanPastel Landscape set is from a photo I did coming home from Halsey---the Golden Fields painting. It's going to be so fun hearing from you! And yes---it IS so nice to that wireless for the laptop! Everyone, Verla is a marvelous photographer, too so she will be taking 50 million new bits of inspiration to paint from! It's gorgeous up there and it's been food for so many paintings for me!

Tres, have fun in NYC!!! PSA is always fun to attend! Lovely paintings!

Linn, yes, good likeness! Consider playing around a bit with keeping portions of the eyes still a good bit softer rather than will come from a full outline---unless, of course, we are painting Cleopatra! :) Like the warms and cools, too.

Now, Pam, you will have to keep us posted with what comes of your $35 coupon! Enjoy what ever yummies you invest in! :clap:

Good to hear from you all! Take good care, all!!! Donna ;-}

Donna A
09-12-2008, 12:38 AM
Hi, again! duh! I should have taken photos of Fani and Linda's PanPastel paintings today. Linda doing a New Mexico adobe with a white flowering tree in the yard. Lovely lighting. Once she had the building structures in place (8"x10" for the MAPS Small Painting Show in Nov.) she began placing the structure of the tree trunk and branches. I showed her how I prefer building

Donna A
09-12-2008, 01:36 AM
Hi, again! duh! I should have taken photos of Fani and Linda's PanPastel paintings today. Linda is doing a New Mexico adobe with a white flowering tree in the yard. Lovely lighting. Once she had the building structures in place (8"x10" for the MAPS Small Painting Show in Nov.) she began placing the structure of the tree trunk and branches.

I showed her a way I like using when "building" trees, branches, posts and so forth---and NOT by drawing the lines of the branches, etc---but by pulling a well-loaded sponge tool across the line of the tree, etc. I just did a little PhotoShop illustration. Linda's tree structure looks great! Very, very natural and meandering and so enjoyable to look at! Next week she's going to add the white blossoms here and there.

First a small image of what this might look like in a painting, then a larger view to see how I 'built' some of the tree.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Sep-2008/77048-Building_Trees_demo-sml.jpg




http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Sep-2008/77048-Building_Trees_demo.jpg

Drawing a line so often ends up looking like a line on top of a painting---and often does not look like it is part of the painting!

Fani worked the last two class days on a still life set up I made with six pots of my oil brushes, (poor darlings---they have been so lonely for months) and wooden palette and a few tubes of oil in front of a lovely dusky medium rose drapery and on a med-dark red-red-orange fabric. Yum!
Ohhhh! Fani's sponge tool strokes are just sooo lovely on allll those many brush handles and the bristles. She did such a great job of getting the feel of the brushes---at once united into clusters as well as giving the spirit of the inidividual pieces. A perfect balance. One of the other artists said that she thought the PanPastels just looked like the perfect material to handle such a very complicated subject. :thumbsup: I will make sure to take photos next week---and will upload the fast painting Gloria did Monday of a very, very complicated large bouquet. But for now---busy days ahead, so best wishes to you all! Enjoy! Donna ;-}