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Adiro
03-04-2008, 10:37 PM
My second Panpastel, done entirely with pans, including the details. The paper is velvety and nice in places, and plasticky shiny in others, epecially around face, where I fixed more because was hoping to preserve the mild likeness that I managed to get. I like to draw freehand, without grids or aids, and I usually don't do faces.
She is Chloe, my god-daughter, and my sister's baby. She's beautiful and she was about three in the picture, she's almost four years old now. I like to only use m own pictures.
Forgot to say, this is Colorfix 9/12 inch in blue haze sample ( I believe)
My Pansies were the same, but on white paper

Donna A
03-04-2008, 11:56 PM
Thank you, Deborah, for mentioning the fixative problem!! At this point it's 1:20 AM here and I am still stubborn about doing that paper in my brand new panPastels! I sprayed it more actually, and somehow it started to "catch " the color again, but very "blotchy" ( I'm not sure that is an English word). I will look into the Blair fixative as well, but the one I have is re-workable as well... Oh well, I learned alot of theory from this wonderful thread, now the practice is another thing...
Hi, Adrio! So glad to have you join us! I did read your original post last night that Deborah had let us know about on this thread---and since then (has been soooo busy, so pardon!) I've been thinking about what could be the problem. I'm soo glad you are presenting this issue! It's really important to understand all the variables---I think!

Hi, Adiro----I'm beginning first with my "edit" where I just now found the two additional posts you've share with wonderful paintings!!! They really look beautiful. I am going to continue tomorrow when I can SEE! On my way to rest up after the very busy time I've had for a good while! I am going to enjoy looking at your very lovely paintings again tomorrow, Adiro, when I am fresh! They do look so rich! Until then---I will leave you to what I wrote a few minutes ago! Very best wishes! ----D


I've done a number of charcoal drawings on the Colourfix for Pan Pastel paintings---as have a number of the artists who work with me---and then spray-fixed (for me with the previously labeled Grumbacher/now Prismacolor workable fixative.) I haven't had any problems nor have any of the others artists here. Hmmm. So I have been trying to figure out what the issues might be because I know you have been having a real problem.

It's been a very long time since I used any Blair fixative---but it should not be a significant issue in how the Pan Pastels and Colourfix respond to each other. Hmmmm.

I do know that some artists have not loaded their sponge tools with as much pigment as serves best---but---it does not sound like that is the issue you have had. I'm still trying to figure out what might be happening for you, Adriio, but I am relieved to read that spraying another time did give you some improvement. So---I do wonder what part the fixative---the Blair---might have played. I just don't know right now.

I do hope that you keep us posted on what is happening for you. I really do want to be of any help possible! I'll keep thinking about this and see if I can come up with any ideas about what has been a problem. All I can think of right now is giving too much fix to the surface, smoothing it in. But never having had that happen, I just don't know.

I do comment on having worked at times with the charcoal drawing areas without spraying them so that the charcoal would mesh in to the pigment colors and gray them down to an often-more-natuarl effect.

I'll keep thinking! If you have any more information about what was happening, Adiro, it will be good to hear! Do let us know what has happened with this since. Looking forward to hearing from you! Take good care! Donna ;-}

Adiro
03-05-2008, 12:32 AM
Dear Donna
I didn't use Blair, I used Krylon workable. In the first painting I just wanted to darken the centre of the flowers, but it didn't work out, and I ended up just using some wine charcoal to darken,
In the second drawing I erased many times ( with a soft chewy gray eraser) then I fixed once I got a likeness. Krylon surely doesn't like the PanPs, after much fighting I sprayed with a finishing Winsor&Newton fixative that actually allowed me to build some color on top, but not perfectly.
I am done with these two drawings now, because I think the paper is overworked.
As an afterthought, I am thinking that maybe because I erased so much, and my eraser is really old, loaded with all kids of pastels and probably oily from years of molding in my hands, maybe the eraser laid grease or something on the paper, but I can't tell for sure. I still believe it's the Krylon fixative that caused the problem.
Blair is the fixative that actually a nice member recommended, sorry I can't remember her name now, it's past midnight already.
I'll practice more with the PanPs, I promise, so far it's been just like an Internet romance: I fell in love with it over the internet ( Your Thread) and when we met face to face it was a little something else that what I was hoping for :D But they do have an awesome potential, I can feel it!

Rusla
03-05-2008, 01:15 AM
Adiro, these are fantastic pictures, well done.

Randi-Lee

artinwc
03-05-2008, 07:33 AM
Hi Adiro and congratulations on finishing your first two Pan paintings!:thumbsup: The struggle with the fixative/Pans is not apparent in your work and both pieces are just lovely. Even though I'm not a portrait artist, your portrait is so very appealing. I love the leaves in the pansy painting!

I can see where a lot of erasing with an old eraser could possibly affect the way the paper takes the pastels. One other thought...I have used the AS Colourfix clear primer over a partially completed pastel before with no problem at all. I don't know if this approach appeals to you, but it has worked successfully with me on Canson, on Pastelbord and on AS Colourfix paper. If applied gently and carefully with a sponge roller, the already-laid color stays where it is and you have a brand new surface to work with.

Judith

Adiro
03-05-2008, 08:40 AM
Thank you everybody for being so encouraging!
My fiance likes them too, so much that he offered to buy me the full set! Unfortunatelly we soon figured out that because I already have the 20 color Painting Set ( 16 pure colors plus Black, White and 2 grays) in order to buy the other 40 colors by the piece, one has to spend just as much money as buying the whole 60 pieces set, so the plan did not hold :crying:
It's ok though, I like my set, so far I've used absolutelly ALL colors! They are all very even across range, and a good selection!.

Anyway, Judith, your idea with the primer is awesome! I did buy one jar of Primer in white, I spent about $10 for it and when it came ( wtih the PanP order) I was in shock at how small it is! I don't know why I was expecting a bucket for 236ml:D ; How in the world do you use roller sponges when there's so little in there? Mine also seems very thick, ( it's not pouring, I think I have to scoop it out with a spoon) so I am wondering if I can dilute it with water? Alcohol? something else? do you know?
thank you
Adi

artinwc
03-05-2008, 09:52 AM
Adiro - I initially bought the clear primer as I wanted to try putting it over incomplete or "unhappy" watercolor paintings I'd done and finish them with the Pans. The stuff is pretty thick and I do add a little water...probably about 1 part water to 3 or 4 parts primer. The application tool I use is a small 2" foam roller that comes in its own little plastic roller tray. If you have a Lowes, Home Depot or paint/hardware store, they should have them. I just pull some of the primer out of the jar into the tray with a spoon, add enough water to make it about the consistency of thick gesso, and put my roller in the tray to get plenty of primer on it. It goes onto the paper/board very easily and I honestly can't see any streaking with the clear primer. If there were, it would become transparent and would be covered over with pastels. It also dries very quickly. It especially comes in handy when I feel like I've overworked an area. I've never tried just putting it on a small area, but that would probably work too.

I started out with the 20 color Painting set too, (no shades or tints) as a Christmas gift from hubby. I have added lots more gradually as I learned what other pans would make it work better and easier for me.

I hope this helps some.

Judith

Rusla
03-05-2008, 10:28 AM
Adiro, I started with 10 colours and learned quickly I wanted them all. So, instead of paying exchange and shipping I just bought them singley from an art store here. As I still don't know what part of the country you are in if you go to www.panpastel.com you can find a list of stores in Canada that carry them. I am sure if there is no store in your area you could contact the closest one and get them to ship them to you. I know when I bought the first set of then then two other sets of 10, I ended up with three whites etc. I look at it this way, when the one runs out then I don't have to buy another.

I find I use white a lot in certain things and therefore it also works for making a new colour. When some of the dust forms at the the top I take one of my empty sponge containers and put it in and one has blues in it and one has other colours in it. It is well worth having the whole set and the tints also.

Randi-Lee

Dougwas
03-05-2008, 10:53 AM
Welcome to the group Adi. You are hooked now and you will find a way to get the whole set. I too had the 20 painters set and found it was cheaper to buy the whole set than it was to buy the 40 pans I needed. So I now have 80 Pans.:D

Both of your paintings are fantastic! The flowers are very well done and I love the Chloe painting. You really captured a moment. I am sure she will be thrilled when she sees it.


Doug

Adiro
03-05-2008, 11:50 AM
Thank you!
:) :) Yes I wish I had them all , I am in Toronto East and no store ( as far as I know ) carries PanPs For now I just ordered an extra white plus the Chromium Oxide green, which is the only color missing from Painting set, plus a set of Blue tools and a set of Assorted sponges, plus papers of course.
I intend to use one white for red/browns and one white for blue/greens so to me it is not actually bad to have more than one white. I hope that the white will stay cleaner this way!
I am not worried about finishing any of them yet, it seems like they will last a long time!

After finding out that there is no way I can get the full set now ( I am unemployed at the moment so it s--ks) I actually convinced myself that I like having the basic set, as the pans fit all nicelly on a butcher's tray that I have from oils, and I hold them right there on my lap when I sit at the easel. The tools stay in a glass on the tray too, and there's space for a couple more pans on the tray. They all go back to tower form if I need the tray for oils. Seeing the colors so bright and crude makes me feel like I am a second grader, but it's all good and I am very happy to have what I have!

Judith, great info on the primer, thank you! Now I wish I got the clear one, oh, well, I am learning! Yes, I have to try the primer, need to go to Home Depot to get a miniroller soon! But the ready-made colorfix paper is just so pretty in all the colors that I got!

Willemke
03-05-2008, 05:16 PM
Hi Adiro, just wanted to let you know you did a wonderful job on the pansies, love the different shades you used, and your portrait of your God-daughter turned out very nice as well. :thumbsup:. Keep up the good work! gotta love those Pan Pastels!

PeggyB
03-05-2008, 08:40 PM
Hi Adiro

I'm glad you found your way over to this thread. I can see a bit where you've had some of that spray fix problem on your paintings, but wow! they are both really nice despite the problems. I really enjoy the expression you've gotten on your god-daughter's face - very cute! Keep working with those pans Adiro, I'm sure you'll master them after seeing these two paintings.

Peggy

Adiro
03-05-2008, 11:29 PM
Thank you Willemke and Peggy, yes, I'm learning to love the Pans again !

I actually put this into my mind, that I have to keep on trying until I am comparably as good as others in this thread ( hint :wink2: hint :wink2: )
I have started today I large piece 16/20 inches on a piece of rescued Wallis. When I started painting about three years ago, I was " serious" about getting the "best" art supplies, and everything went down the drain soon after I took a long long break away from painting ( with small interruptions, that is)

The paper is still warped in spite of my efforts to stretch it, ( smart me I washed it in the bathtub about 2 month ago) but it will be "nearly" invisible when done, because I want it a darker piece . (I think my mood is on the dark side right now:) I'll post if I dare, when I am done, but now it's been quite a few hours into it and it's nowhere near finish.
And no more fixative for me, I'm just trying to get the darks from deep deep mixtures!

artinwc
03-06-2008, 10:26 AM
Here's the abstracted version of a waterlily that I think I'm finished with. I dry-mounted a 12" x 16" piece of Rives BFK (any acid-free pastel-compatible paper would work) onto museum board, did my sketch lightly in graphite then coated it with clear Colourfix primer. I then did the watercolor painting on top of the Colourfix surface. (See photo below) I did the watercolor a bit on the wet side so that the paint could create runs and blotches. After the underpainting dried, I used the pans to cover the painting. I kept some of the hard edges that I'd created with the watercolors and did a bit of impressionism with the hand tools.

I do not know if this would be classified as a "mixed media" or a pastel...or either. Thanks for comments. This is sooooooooooo fun!!!

Judith

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2008/50515-wl_underpat.jpg
This is the watercolor underpainting.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2008/50515-wl_abstract1400.jpg
This is the finished painting.

Dougwas
03-06-2008, 10:56 AM
Hi Judith

This looks great! The water lilies have the transparent look of watercolour while having the intense colour of pastels at the same time. Did you cover the whole painting with the pans, or did you leave some of the watercolour showing? It looks to me that you get a different look using the pans instead of sticks over the watercolour underpainting.

So, have you started the next one yet?:D


Doug

artinwc
03-06-2008, 11:49 AM
Hi Doug - Thanks, I'm glad you like it. Since I've not used sticks yet (but I have some ready to roll :D ), I can't compare the two. But yes, I did cover the entire watercolor underpainting. However, I used a good bit of Hansa Yellow Pan (more transparent) and did some light layering of other colors. My favorite part is the pink "heart" of the lily on the right. See close-up.

I've almost finished my next one, a field of tulips. Seems I can't get away from florals. Oh well....???:confused:

Judith
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2008/50515-wl_closeup.jpg
Close-up

PeggyB
03-06-2008, 12:43 PM
Judith your watercolor background is serving you very well with the pans! This has the quality of watercolor, but since you've completely covered the original watercolor with pan pastels, by all the rules I've ever read on a prospectus, this would be considered a pastel painting. Most of the prospectus for pastel competitions have a statement about the finished painting being some high percentage of pastel (usually 75 - 80%), and if there is a question about it the artist must show how they've created the work to comply with that requirement. Of course there will always be exceptions so if you plan on entering it in a competiton, read the prospectus carefully and ask questions if you need to.

I have just one little "nit-pick", and maybe in the original it isn't so apparent. In the upper left background there is a dark violet "pyramid" shape that has a lighter violet "highlight" on it. That shape and value contrast is drawing me eyes to an area that I'd prefer not seeing so clearly. Otherwise, I really like this piece. - and your favorite part is very pleasing indeed. :)

Peggy

PS I think I should let everyone on this thread know Donna may be awhile before she participates. I just got email from her, and she is fighting not getting the horrid virus that is going around. (but it looks like a loosing battle at this point) She even has a doctor's appointment this afternoon.

Rusla
03-06-2008, 12:49 PM
Maybe the violet piece that Peggy is talking about is a humming bird, one of the giant sized ones.

I like the water lilies whether there is a humming bird or ancient pyramid in them.

Randi-Lee

PeggyB
03-06-2008, 12:51 PM
Maybe the violet piece that Peggy is talking about is a humming bird, one of the giant sized ones.

Randi-Lee

Oh Randi-Lee I love your sense of humor! :lol:

Peggy

artinwc
03-06-2008, 01:40 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: You all are so much fun to be around! The more I looked at the area Peggy pointed out, the more it looked like a geyser...like Old Faithful. Thank you for pointing that out, Peggy. That was an excellent nit-pick and I have fixed it now. At least I think this works. Thanks also for the information about what qualifies a painting as a pastel. I guess at some stage of the creation process, it could go either way.

Randi-Lee, I sure did want to put wings on that bird. Willemke would love that! :D

Here is the modified iimage.

Judith
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2008/50515-Heart_Of_Water_Lily_380.jpg

artinwc
03-06-2008, 01:44 PM
Peggy - When you email Donna back, please tell her that we are all thinking of her and sending good wishes her way. I hope if she's gotten that virus, that it is a very mild case. We ALL miss her!!!:wave::wave: :wave:

Judith

PeggyB
03-06-2008, 02:28 PM
Judith - perfect "fix"! Isn't it interesting how sometimes another pair of eyes is so useful?

I'll send Donna your best wishes. She is so weak and tired at this point that she is finding it hard to even sit in her recliner and play on her laptop! That doesn't sound good to me, and I'm sorry I can't be there to help at least feed the cats and bring her hot herbal tea.

Peggy

Willemke
03-06-2008, 04:28 PM
Judith......Beautiful,.....love your waterlilies, you are so good at doing florals, if only I can be as good at doing flowers I guess I have practice more, I am more of the fur bearing animals kinda girl! :cat: and I can see the image of a heart :heart: that you are speaking of. You guys are gonna laugh yourselves silly when I tell you this!....noooo hummingbird this time, well kinda sorta, i see one without a beak, it has a face and wings though, so maybe it's a pastel colored bee? :wink2:
Donna........... Get better soon girl! we need you!

Rusla
03-06-2008, 04:32 PM
What did you do to Donna, Peggy? I thought it was her working you to death.

I do hope she gets better soon. I have to be real sick not to be able to sit in my recliner and use the computer.

If her cats are like mine, they won't bring herbal tea but they will give kisses to make you feel better.

Willie: First giant buzzard like humming birds now beakless ones, or killer bees. Willie, do not sniff the pastel dust.


Randi-Lee

Willemke
03-06-2008, 04:40 PM
Ha Haaa Haaa Randi-lee! you are so funny :lol: ........but you know it might be the dust, but I did drink a glass of Matuese (not sure if I spelled that right, it's portugese wine) the other day, don't think the affects of that would last that long though, but you never know :D .

Rusla
03-06-2008, 06:51 PM
How big was the glass, Willie? Did you pour a small one for your hubby and you drank out of the glass bottle?
I think if we all look again at the picture we can see a humming bird dancing swan lake with bumble bee near the pyramid.

Randi-Lee

Adiro
03-07-2008, 08:03 AM
Judith, your waterlilies are so beautiful! Even the watercolor underpainitng is beautiful!!!! I had a good laugh at the Egyptian pyramid, honestly I didn't notice at the first moment that you're painting flowers and exotic landscapes all in onet! :D

Wish well to Donna, I hope she gets on her feet soon!!!

artinwc
03-07-2008, 10:11 AM
Adiro and Willemke - Thank you so much for your comments on the water lily painting. Adiro, I was trying not to let folks see that it was a landscape/floral all at once...that way I could call it whichever I wanted.:lol:

I think we need to remember to add critters to our paintings for Willemke!:D (especially hummingbirds). I could only find a dragon fly in the painting. But now as I look at the close-up view, there really is a little worm on the vertical crawling down toward to bottom edge. She's a little pink worm with a brown head. I feel so much better now.;)

I hope there is someone nearby to look in on Donna and feed her cats. I really miss her being here with us.

Judith

Adiro
03-07-2008, 10:51 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: HILARIOUS!!!!!
I often see elephants and flying carpets in my sky paintings...:lol: I failed to look for worms:lol:

Adiro
03-07-2008, 12:25 PM
Ok, I am still on the computer, and I wanted to post my new PanPastel painting, that I started a couple of days ago.

I actually posted a WIP in the other Pastel forum, it's on re-used Wallis with watercolor underpainting.

Size is 16 by 20 inches ( large for my standards)

Adiro
03-07-2008, 12:28 PM
I'm adding a couple of details, to see texture. I didn't use any sticks, just sponges and the blue tools.

BTW, this is from Seven Cascades, in the Ecuadorian jungle.

PeggyB
03-07-2008, 01:46 PM
WOW Adiro you are really mastering the pans. This piece is really lovely. The impression of transparent water isn't easy, but you've done very well with it, and the plains of the rocks are also well rendered.

Hey Everyone - I didn't break Donna - honest I didn't! I suspect she was getting the "bug" prior to my arrival since she said she'd been more tired than usual on the day before I arrived. I'd say we were really busy the whole time I was there, but then I don't think it was anymore busy than she always is. That woman keeps a schedule that is daunting for someone in their 20's! (not that she isn't far from that age... and neither am I :lol: )

Peggy

artinwc
03-07-2008, 04:01 PM
Adiro - This is really lovely!!! I love your color choices and the way you can see the warmer colors of the underwater rocks in the foreground. And your water is great...lots of excitement. Wonderful piece!!!:thumbsup:

I haven't found any critters in it yet, but I'm sure Willemke will be able to help us here.:lol:

Judith

PeggyB
03-07-2008, 07:10 PM
I haven't found any critters in it yet, but I'm sure Willemke will be able to help us here.:lol:

Judith

Oh I don't know about that Judith. I think I see some flashes of spawning red salmon flashing through in places... :D no hummingbirds though.

Peggy

Dougwas
03-07-2008, 07:34 PM
Adi- Great job on your painting. :thumbsup: Love the water and the rocks under the water. Thanks for showing some details. Did you have any trouble with the pans adhering to the Wallis? Did it differ very much from the Colourfix?


Doug

Rusla
03-07-2008, 09:11 PM
Adiro, what an awesome picture!

I see Johnny Depp in my picture...oh that is probably because the acrylic I am working on is of Johnny Depp.

Donn
03-07-2008, 09:28 PM
Boy, I've been away from WC for a couple days and so much has gone on here!
Welcome Adiro, to Donna's thread on PanPastels (I refer this as her thread since she started it, even though many of us contribute). And your paintings are fabulous! I really like your waterfalls. Great work.
Judith, your water lilies are great. Speaking of florals, that's the lesson I'm on in our watercolor pencil class. I haven't done any yet and the lesson has been up 3 days now! Just too much going on around here to do much art work.
Have 2 more weeks to go and maybe I'll get a chance to get back and work with my PanPastels.

Willemke
03-08-2008, 02:48 PM
Adiro....beautiful paintings, love the tranparency of the waterfall and the rocks underneath.
Question?....what have you people been drinking???.....I start to mention one little hummingbird (well ok 2 big ones), in Judiths beautifully painted florals, and now you gals are seeing, lets see.....Randi is seeing buzzards, killer bee's and pyramids!.....Judith is seeing.... drangon flies and worms!.....Peggy is seeing spawning Red Salmon!.....Adiro is seeing.. elephants and flying carpets!...Who's doing the drinking here??:confused: .

Doug and Donn must think we All gone mad or something.

Donna.....Help!, these people on this thread are driving me crazy :eek: (ok just kidding), get well soon girl!, we miss you , if I was your neighbor I would fix you a cup of green tea and feed your kitties.

WC Lee
03-08-2008, 08:32 PM
I see I missed a lot os stuff again :D

artinwc and Adiro, nice work on your paintings :)

Donna, hope you feel better soon :)

Anyhow, I brought the pans out for some fresh air and did a little sketch with them :)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2008/122017-sketch01154.jpg

hmmm looks kind of funny now .....

Rusla
03-08-2008, 10:47 PM
W.C. Lee, that is a great picture. Maybe the part you think looks funny is her teeth. They are perfect teeth, but it kinda looks to me like her bottom lip is curled under her teeth. You do such great portraits.

Randi

Adiro
03-08-2008, 10:58 PM
WCLee, it doesn't look funny! It looks pretty and happy!!!!
I love what you people do, I am so impressed with everybody's attitude here at WC!
I also wanted to thank everybody that gave me their attention, thank you! There's so many nice people in the world!!!!:heart:

WCLee, I think it's great! I totally admire artists that do portraits, it's one of my challenges to overcome!

There is a trick for faces not to look funny on the computer. From time to time when you paint, take painting off easel and look at it in a mirror! I actually have a mirror just behind myself, and I just get off the chair and look at paintings in the mirror. If something is unbalanced, you will see it in the mirror Try it!

PeggyB
03-08-2008, 11:11 PM
Randi is right WC, this is a good portrait, but she does look as though she has a little overbite. Could that be what's bothering you?

Here's a Donna update. I got a brief message from her tonight. She said she's better in that the horrid headache is "more mild" - that still doesn't sound good to me - and she is very weak and tired. She was able to pet poor little Jezzie for awhile. Her two cats do not get along. Cassie absolutely will not let Jezzie into Donna's bedroom, and since she is considerably larger than Jezzie it is no contest if Jezzie tries to do so anyway. Jezzie happily slept with me when I was there because I was in "her" area. More good news is Donna is being well cared for by friends and neighbors so we don't have to worry about that. I've sent her all your wishes for a quick recovery.

Peggy

PS - Adi we did a cross post. :) I just wanted to add that your advise to look in a mirror is very good. The closet in my studio has two very large mirror doors that I look in a lot for possible corrections even when I don't think I might need any.

Dougwas
03-08-2008, 11:57 PM
Peggy- Thanks for the Donna update. I have been worried about her, but knowing she has friends looking after her makes it better. I just want our fearless leader back. If you are reading this Donna, get better and take care.

Doug

Rusla
03-09-2008, 01:20 AM
Peggy, whatever Donna has I don't want it. That sounds absolutely dreadful. It is good that people are keeping an eye on her.

Randi

Donn
03-09-2008, 06:44 PM
Thanks for the update on Donna. Have been wondering about why we haven't seen any postings from her of late.
Donna----get better soon, our thoughts are with you.
No, I don't think you all are "nuts". Just having fun while keeping in touch with everyone. Only 2 more weeks to go on the watercolor pencil class.
My latest rose bud is on my flickr. Done with Derwent's Inktense pencils.

Willemke
03-10-2008, 01:23 PM
WC Lee... again another lovely portrait, I like that twinkle in her eyes, very well painted.
Peggy... thank you for the update on Donna, nothing worse then having a really bad headache, but it sounds like she is over the worst of it now, hopefully!
Adiro... good idea about the mirror thing, I don't have any mirrors except the ones in the bathroom. I do however place my painting on an easel and look at it for about a week or so, and usually by then I can find something needs an improvement here or there, good thing I don't do to many portraits, but eventually I will try one of my grandaughter who is now four.

Dougwas
03-10-2008, 01:57 PM
WC- I am sorry. I missed your portrait.:o I think this one is as fresh as the others lately. You are really hitting your stride now. Keep it up.:thumbsup:

Adi- That mirror idea is right on. I learned that when I was taking Drawing & Sketching 101 over in the D & S forum. It works! I must admit, I do get some strange looks from my family when they see me dashing to the bathroom with my painting in hand.:eek:

It sure is not the same around here without Donna. I hope she gets better and is back soon.

Well, it's time to get the pans out. Happy panning everyone.


Doug

lpb
03-10-2008, 04:00 PM
I've taken over a bathroom for my watercolor work, so I use the mirror all the time. It has the same effect for me as stepping back and viewing your work from more of a distance.

artinwc
03-10-2008, 06:27 PM
WC Lee - I really like your portrait. The hat is a nice touch. I didn't think her mouth looked funny. Different people show different amounts of teeth when they smile. When I smile, my bottom teeth don't show either. It looks great to me! And the colors are wonderful.:thumbsup:

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm going into "Donna withdrawal". I miss her so much and am hoping she'll be feeling better real soon and can drop in and say "Hi".

Judith

Adiro
03-11-2008, 09:50 AM
I hope Donna gets well soon!!!
and she got sick just when I got my PanPs... :crying: I already quit using them... I'll take them out of the drawer when she comes back!

I was amused at the story with paintings in the bathroom:) , I personally discovered the mirror thing accidentally. one day I did something, and I was walking with it through the house to show it to my mother, when I walked by a mirror and I caught a glimpse... suddenly my painting looked stupid. I learned that a painting should look good both right way and reversed ( mirror image) or else something is wrong with it

Donna A
03-11-2008, 11:30 PM
Hi, very dear friends! I'm smiling after reading all your very lovely well wishes! Thank you soooo much! I have missed you all terribly! When I don't feel like at least laying back cozy in my recliner with my laptop---that's not good! Some very lovely paintings, Adiro!!! And WC and Judith! Yum!!!

No, Peggy didn't break me. We did have such a great time! I've heard from several of our artists who have said how happy they were to get to meet her! She's practically notorious---I mean famous in KC, now. :rolleyes:

I actually felt good-ish yesterday and was able to teach class. That lasted another hour and a half and then crash. Managed to get up for my book keeper's twice-monthly visit to pay bills, etc. this morning, but glad it was the 'light' day---cuz I headed back to bed afterwards. Dang! No---you don't want this flu. I would never have thought that this was a flu at first. If you get to feeling really weak and get a great headache, call your doctor right now! I've heard from different folks who have had this that it kept them down anywhere from 8 days (my doctor's nurse-practitioner) to a full month. ARGH! NO! I want to PAINT!!!!

Yesterday, Bev worked more on her gorgeous and rather monumental-looking Pan Pastel on LaCarte of one of the large stone sculptures from the sculpture garden in Rome. It's looking pretty amazing. No, have not photoed again, yet but will manana (she says!) :p And Gloria worked more on her piece she worked on in the PanP workshop. Laura Lee started a wonderfully fresh piece from a photo she took of geraniums. She and Bonnie came last Tuesday for a 4-hour private class in PanP's and I am so excited by how painterly she is using them! Yea!!!! And Bonnie started a wonderful drawing of a puppet that Bev brought back from a trip to Burma several years ago. She'll paint it in PanP's and probably her sticks, as well. So that was yesterday's class PanP excitement---and it was delish!!! I'm really excited to see Fani's painting tomorrow morning. (I'd better feel OK tomorrow for class!!! grrrr!) I didn't get the last state photoed and it was sooo exciting! So painterly and fresh and exciting. I know she painted on it Wednesday when I just had folks come paint while I crawled back to bed. Had not even been able to call to postpone class. Anyway---I'll make sure I do photos and get you all caught up with the adventures here!

This evening is the first time I've felt like diving into the computer. Can you believe! And I brought it up here to the boudoir. Still feels best to be fully horizontal. Well--they SAID this flu thing just keeps coming back on a fella! grrr!

I finally was fully encouraged to put Miss Cassie Cat (Cassiopea) on a diet. Her highness can only jump on my belly or lounge on my chest sooo many times without my getting the message that her more recent nickname "Little Bowling Ball" is NOT a good thing. Little Jezzie has got to be missing her friend Peggy, as I am! I've gotten her little sweet self petted only a few times and I know she is lonesome for lovin'! She lives to be petted! And sleep. :)

I'm looking forward to seeing more of your paintings and reading about more of your PanP adventures! Stay well, friends!!! I've really missed you and thought about you so often! More soon! :wave: :heart: Donna and Cassie and Jezzie! :cat: :cat:

Dougwas
03-12-2008, 01:31 AM
Hi Donna:wave:

So good to hear from you. I hope you kick that terrible flu bug in the butt and knock it into yesterday!:evil: We NEED you back! I am sure I can speak for everybody here, we missed you so much and we were all worried about you. Take it easy. One day at a time.

I started that still life painting we talked about and it is coming along. I am planning on working on it tomorrow. Hopefully I can finish it and post it.

So, please take it easy. We need you back 100%.


Doug

ps- Did I say we missed you?:)

artinwc
03-12-2008, 08:21 AM
Yippeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!! :clap: :clap: :clap: Donna's back!!! It was so good to see you avatar smiling at us and know that you are having some better moments now. Just please go easy and not overdo. We want you to get all your strength and energy back. We've missed you soooooo much!!!

It sounds like your students are making great strides. We would love to see some photos when you are up to it. The geraniums sound especially lovely as I am such a flower-lover. I can't believe when I first started painting 9 years ago that I did not like flowers and said I would never want to paint them...especially red ones. Oh well.....:D

A wish for a happy day to you all.:wave:

Judith

Adiro
03-12-2008, 09:43 AM
Welcome back, Donna!!!!!!!
I actually put my panPs away, I lost hope of having a great teacher at least once in a life-time, and I pulled out some old half used tubes of acrylic that I had to buy three years ago when I took an only painting class at York. They didn't accept any other medium, for "toxicity reasons" . go figure...
Welcome back and Stay Well!!!!!!!

Donna A
03-12-2008, 10:01 AM
Hi Donna:wave:

So good to hear from you. I hope you kick that terrible flu bug in the butt and knock it into yesterday!:evil: We NEED you back! I am sure I can speak for everybody here, we missed you so much and we were all worried about you. Take it easy. One day at a time.

I started that still life painting we talked about and it is coming along. I am planning on working on it tomorrow. Hopefully I can finish it and post it.

So, please take it easy. We need you back 100%.


Doug

ps- Did I say we missed you?:)

Awwwww, Doug! Thank you so much! :) I'm a'kickin'!!! I love the way you put it: "...and knock it into yesterday!:evil:" That sounds like a great plan! :D I'm feeling pretty good-ish this morning, thank goodness---as I did Monday afternoon---so will go get the class studio open pretty soon---lights on, heat up, music on---and look forward to the artists I'm so fortunate to work with on Wednesdays! But then will retreat and take it easy this afternoon, as I learned is a good idea, still for a while.

I'm really looking forward to your new still life painting! Vicki and Elaine cam last Saturday to work on it from life again. I just unlocked the front door and let them open the class studio. They started the still life in the workshop and I did want them to be able to finish. I was terribly curious to see what they were doing, but---sniff---must wait till another day.

I will share thoughts with you that I did with them: just remember to be sure to look for the various PLANES on the different parts of the subject; notice where the the LIGHT is strong and where the SHADOWS are strong; pay attention to the HARD, MEDIUM AND SOFT EDGES; look for the WARMS AND COOLS WITHIN ANY GIVEN HUE; don't let things get picky/fussy---but instead look for making or keeping INTERESTING VARIATIONS; pay attention not only to what is happening within any of the objects but rather look at WHAT IS HAPPENING ON 'EITHER SIDE OF THE BORDER' everywhere within the painting----and then just keep looking at the painting over all and what it needs to make it striking!

With those thoughts in mind, I shall wish you much joy in painting---and look forward to seeing your adventure!!! Thank you again! Donna ;-}

Donna A
03-12-2008, 10:05 AM
Yippeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!! :clap: :clap: :clap: Donna's back!!! It was so good to see you avatar smiling at us and know that you are having some better moments now. Just please go easy and not overdo. We want you to get all your strength and energy back. We've missed you soooooo much!!!

It sounds like your students are making great strides. We would love to see some photos when you are up to it. The geraniums sound especially lovely as I am such a flower-lover. I can't believe when I first started painting 9 years ago that I did not like flowers and said I would never want to paint them...especially red ones. Oh well.....:D

A wish for a happy day to you all.:wave:

Judith

Hi, Judith!!! Thank you greatly!!! It's so good to BE back. Yes, the artists here are doing well! Well---give or take the normal "stuffff" we each run into in a painting now and then. :p I'm eager to see what I missed last Wed. Guess I'd better go open up---as soon as I say hello to Adiro, too! More on flowers, later! I love them, toooo! Thank you so much! Donna ;-}

Rusla
03-12-2008, 10:27 AM
Yay!. Donna is alive!. I am so glad you are back and don't worry if that flu comes back on a fella as long as it doesn't come back on you. As you aren't a fella it shouldn't come back on you. It sounds absolutely dreadful and having the little bowling ball on your stomach is not that good either. I know I have one like that he is Thor known as Thorable, so different from the soft, loveable petite Athena aka Princess.

I feared Peggy had broken you and wore you right out. Probably tho you were so run down and tired from running around and classes that some "fella" passed by you and gave you this horrible flu.
I am happy to see you are alive and back with us.
You take care of you.

Randi-Lee

WC Lee
03-12-2008, 01:53 PM
glad to hear you are feeling much better, Donna :)

Donna A
03-12-2008, 04:25 PM
Welcome back, Donna!!!!!!!
I actually put my panPs away, I lost hope of having a great teacher at least once in a life-time, and I pulled out some old half used tubes of acrylic that I had to buy three years ago when I took an only painting class at York. They didn't accept any other medium, for "toxicity reasons" . go figure...
Welcome back and Stay Well!!!!!!!

Hi, Adiro!!! Thank you so much, too for your well wishes!!! I do think the PanPs are sometimes not as obvious with our "first trys" at how amazing they can be! I think the three paintings you shared here recently are marvelous! Yea! I must go back and look at them again later today! Take good care! Looking for more of your lovely pieces! Donna ;-}

Willemke
03-12-2008, 04:26 PM
Hi Donna :wave:, So glad to hear you are feeling much better. That must of been one aweful flu, glad you are on the mend :) I'm sure your kitties are very happy to have you back as well :cat::cat:. I also have one of those "bowling balls". Mine is black and white and weighs about 30 lbs. I can't even lift her anymore, need help from my hubby when trying to cut nails and groom her. When I am downstairs in my TV room, and she jumps off the bed upstairs, sounds like a heard of elephants crashing through the floor, I'm surprised she can still climb on the bed :lol:

Verla
03-12-2008, 10:36 PM
:wave: Hi, All, I suppose as this is my first post I should probably introduce myself. My name is Verla and I am one of Donna's pan p students from her March 1st workshop. I thoroughly enjoy the pan p's and am hoping to finish up my eye that Donna gave you a preview of in an earlier post. Having many interests, it is challenging to come up with time to devote to any one of them. I am an avid reader, photographer, artist, medievalist, computer geek and martial arts student. I am a member of the local computer club, camera club, and MidAmericaPastelSociety, as well as the SCA (Society for Creative Anachronism), and a student of TaeKwonDo Grand Master Chae Sun Yi. I suppose pastel art takes a backseat to everything else, but that is mostly due to apartment living where there is too much stuff for too little space. Not a real excuse, I know, and I am hoping the pan p's will be easier to use in a smaller space. I also enjoy colored pencil as well as pen and ink. I work for a yearbook publisher in the art department so spend all day on the computer. I also tend to spend most evenings there as well. Photography is my hobby, and I take pictures of almost everything I do--computer club meetings, camera club meetings, SCA events, MAPS meetings, TaeKwonDo testings and tournaments, and usually have my camera wherever I am. But the photos I take provide the basis for most of my drawings and paintings. I have been a horselover since childhood, though do not presently have any. The eye belongs to the Arabian gelding that my best friend owns. Several of her horses have provided me ample subject matter for many of my paintings. You can find some SCA examples of my photography at the Calontir website. At the present time that is the only presence on-line that I have for any of my "art". I am trying to teach my self website building. I use Photoshop at work, and have it at home as well, and lead a digital imaging special interest group for the computer club. I see that it is 9:30 and 5 AM comes very early so I shall conclude this post for now but look forward to more.:wave:

Dougwas
03-12-2008, 11:02 PM
Welcome to WC Verla. :wave: It is nice to see one of Donna's students here. You are one busy person. I got tired just reading about your many interests. I really liked your eye painting. I told Donna that you just nailed the reflection. I hope you find more time to do some pan paintings and post them here for us to look at. This is a very fun group and we are all learning from Donna and each other. Again, welcome to WC.


Doug

Donna A
03-13-2008, 12:05 AM
Hi, Verla!!! I'm sooo glad that you have joined us!!! I knew you were an active busy person, but---girl---HOW do you do it all! Wow! :-) Looking forward to whatever final touches you do with that gorgeous painting of the horse's eye! It's just marvelous! :thumbsup:

Hi, WC and Randi-Lee! Good to hear from you both! :D

Hi Donna :wave:, So glad to hear you are feeling much better. That must of been one aweful flu, glad you are on the mend :) I'm sure your kitties are very happy to have you back as well :cat::cat:. I also have one of those "bowling balls". Mine is black and white and weighs about 30 lbs. I can't even lift her anymore, need help from my hubby when trying to cut nails and groom her. When I am downstairs in my TV room, and she jumps off the bed upstairs, sounds like a heard of elephants crashing through the floor, I'm surprised she can still climb on the bed :lol:
Ahhhh---Willemke---30 lbs. Goodness. I know Cassie was (WAS) on her way there---but the little darling is beginning to waddle and I observed that she was no longer able to jump up to her favorite shelf to gaze out the high bedroom window this last week---so that did it! She LOVES it up there and considered and considered the jump---several times, then gave up. This will be rougher than if I had to put myself on a diet. I can understand the impact that your 'little' baby must be able to make. Awwwww! :) Now---I'm going to upload PanP paintings for you all! Take good care! Donna ;-}

PeggyB
03-13-2008, 12:54 AM
Donna putting one cat in a multi cat household on a diet is more than just a "challange", it is darn near impossible! I once had a vet tell me he gave up telling clients with overweight cats that live with underweight cats to put the "fulffy one" on a diet because he didn't know how to make it successful for all of them. Cassie will just go steal Jezzie's food, and we both know Jezzie is just such a little girl already how will she hold off the Bowling Ball?! You're gonna need some creative food dish protection at your house! :cat: I have 2 "overly fuffy", one normal, and one slightly underweight cats and they all get along so we don't have seperate feeding rooms at this house. Recently we cut back the food ration by 1 cup of food a day, and so far the two lower weight cats don't seem to be suffering, but we'll see in a month when the other two step on a scale. :lol:

Ok - Verla so glad to see you on WC. I sure didn't know you were so busy when I met you at Donna's. Your schedule makes my head spin! :lol: Your horse's eys is so awesome, and I look forward to seeing the finished piece as well as others. :thumbsup:

So good to have you Donna back. :)

Peggy

Donna A
03-13-2008, 03:55 AM
Hi, everyone! Now for some lovely paintings!!! I took these photos today in class. First several stages of Fani's newest Pan Pastel painting, which I've mentioned before. She's painting this from a photo taken by one of her son's who is a doctor here in the USA but who sometimes volunteers at a children's hospital in South Africa. We are all just loving what she is doing. Very dynamic and exciting! This is painted on Colourfix Soft Umber 28"x40". These photos just don't begin to do justice to the look and feel of the painting as you stand before it. It's so much richer even while many of the colors are gently muted. The turquoise railing is a wonderful collection of subtle variations in edges as well as color with shifts in value, temperature and intensity, most all within a fairly narrow range and making it visually just so delicious to look at.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Mar-2008/77048-Fani-children-2.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Mar-2008/77048-Fani-children-3.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Mar-2008/77048-Fani-children-4.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Mar-2008/77048-Fani-children-5.jpg

Fani is leaving a decision about how to handle the left arm and the right hand of the little boy at the far right edge of the painting until a bit later. In the source photo, the little boy is nearly cut off and Fani is having to make it all up to the right of his face. I think in this case, it makes sense to let this smaller and peripheral detail wait since it does not have a core impact---and she can be inspired by the nearly-finished painting later on. If this had been something central to the painting, waiting would not work.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Mar-2008/77048-Fani-children-little_boy-5.jpg

Susan finished her still life with the Dutch Copper Pitcher today. Susan brought in the pitcher along with all the fruits, so my great thanks to her!!! The actual still life has such an Old World look to it---and I think Susan really captured that feel. Again, real life is so much better, but it does look good here on the monitor, too! I love the way she handled the fabric. It's a heavy lower-intensity old teal drapery that I found at a thrift store---and I love the personality she gave it. The drapery really moves in space from front to back, side to side---and I can feel the light on it and the folds are so visceral. The apples are gently luscious and the plum has such strong, intent-filled strokes that just give such form and structure and subtle good color. The copper works so well. The pitcher really is old and dented with some real life personality and Susan captured that! It feels IN space. And she caught the sense of light with a rather 'antique' mellow lighting. And--yes, she knows she could have used a bit more space at the bottom of the composition.

For those of you who might run into a problem like this---routinely---a good strategy is to tape off a border portion of your painting with white artists tape BEFORE you begin laying on your drawing. Pretend like that tape-covered area does not exist! It's really worked for a lot of artists around here! Once the composition is laid in, you can pull the tape off and paint the entire painting surface. Once in a while, any of us can run into this kind of problem, as Susan has, but for those who do it regularly---and you know who you are---there is that way out of that problem. Great little tip! Use it! It can be a real gift!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Mar-2008/77048-Susan-DutchCopperPitcher-fin.jpg

Here is the piece that Dorothy did at the PanP workshop. She had to leave a bit early, so I did not get it photoed that day. She began classes with me this week, so this is the second time she and I have worked together. This is a quarter sheet of Colourfix and she managed to do pretty will with such a complicated still life and in fairly limited time with new materials. She has some really lovely areas---and I particularly love the lemon and plums. She has done a really good job of getting variations in her colors. I'm excited to see what she does next!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Mar-2008/77048-Dorothy-DutchCopperPitcher.jpg

And here is the next stage in Bev's monumental painting of the large stone statue from the Roman Statue Garden. She's painting this on LaCarte. She's really getting the feel of the lichen-covered, dapple-shaded hugh old stone figure that is several hundred years old and and living in the wilds of the woods of the park. Looking forward to seeing what she will do with it tomorrow! I'll keep you posted!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Mar-2008/77048-RomeSculptGarden-2.jpg

I'll save Laura Lee's geraniums for tomorrow. I did not get a photo at the end of class today, so will show a series of stages tomorrow. It's very fresh and painterly.

Now, will say good bye for now. Take good care and everyone stay well!!! Donna ;-} I hope this makes sense tonight. I'm sleepy and full of healthcare 'stuff'' and not even sure I dan see any more. :) Goodness. Well I'll just hit send and see what happens---while I drift away to sleep. More pieces tomorrow! And looking forward to ss

Verla
03-13-2008, 06:33 AM
Thanks for the welcome everyone. I don't always realize how busy I am until I stop and jot it all down. Fortunately most of it is once a month like the camera club on the 1st Tuesday, MAPS on the 4th Tuesday, computer club on the 2nd Monday, 2nd Thursday, 3rd Wednesday, and 4th Thursday. TKD takes up the rest of the early evening week nights M-Th. The SCA is a couple of weekends a month. It has just come to me that I am going to have make myself spend a least one evening a month (hopefully more) devoted to painting, just as if it was a regularly scheduled meeting. But whenever possible I do try to fit in workshops like Donna's, it gives me the "excuse" to paint. Well, it's off to work but I'll check on this when I get home. We are working overtime so I go in at 6 until 4:30, but there will be time to check this before I leave for the computer club meeting tonite. Take care, everyone and have a good, as well as productive day. Verla:wave:

artinwc
03-13-2008, 08:22 AM
Verla - Welcome to WC. I too have learned so much here, and continue to do so. Folks are just plalin wonderful...and we sometimes get funny too. :D

Donna - I am so happy you are gaining strength every day. We surely did miss you!!! And thanks for sharing these photos. I love the still lifes that Susan and Dorothy are doing...such wonderfully intense colors. Bev's statue painting is really amazing. It looks so big!!! That is a really interesting piece the statue has on her head. And I really love Fani's piece and the way she captured the eagerness of the children. Looking forward to seeing those geraniums also.

Cats - Are we all cat lovers? Hmmm...I wonder if there is some connection between pastellists and cats. I also have two cats, and one (Tigger) is quite a bit larger than the other (Rufus), but he's just a big-boned cat...big bones and lots of fluff. The other cat is a grey cat who is a one-person cat (the person happens to be me). Because of the way Tigger hurls himself into the air to make landings on places you would have thought were "cat proof", I got hubby to put a screen door on the entrance to my studio. That way, they can see me, but they can't paint with me. :D

Judith

Adiro
03-13-2008, 09:21 AM
Verla, WELCOME to the WC!!!!!! I love horses too, they are the most beautiful animal created, in my opinion! Unfortunatelly I've been a city girl all my life, and of course I dont have any horses... for me to ride a horse is a rare and wonderful event, that happens maybe, once a year....Your photography and your painting is beautiful. and you have such an interesting life!!!! You're so lucky!!!!

Donna, I can't thank you enough for coming back, and in full force!!!
The paintings you are showing us are gorgeous, and so inspirational!!!
The one at the Children's Hospital is such a MEGA-work, I can only imagine how it would be to work that size and such a complicated subject matter! It's going to be stunning!!!!

I, on the other hand, had not painted anything this week :o , I am getting stressed out about getting married, changing name, address, documents, everything.... I come to WC to browse and relax, and you people are so wonderful at taking me away from my stuff :) my sweetie thinks that I am addicted to " that site of yours" :) maybe he's right

Adiro
03-13-2008, 09:28 AM
Judith, Yes, there must be a connection between cats and pastelists!!!!:) and also between pastelists, cats, and dogs!! Ok, I'll extend it to horses, and all other unmentioned pets!

When I go to heaven ( or sooner, if I win the lottery), I want to have there a thousand cats and doggies, one of each FULL SET of pastels ever created, and all the White lenses that Canon makes! :)

so far I only have a doggie, as my sweet dear kitty ( the one in my avatar) passed away last year because a car hit her :crying: I am still recovering from her loss, but my hubby really wants to get my another kitty... not sure if I am ready yet...

Rusla
03-13-2008, 12:21 PM
Hi Verla nice to have you here and that is a great picture. I so miss my horses and it has been more than 20 years, I miss my dogs and that has been 12 years.

Donna--great pictures they are doing and glad you are feeling so much better. I think everyone has a 20-30 lb Thor-like cat. Thor is one of those big, long heavy cats. I can't even pick him up. Athena, the princess is different she would be like your Jezzie.
Adiro-- I know what it is like to suffer the loss of a dear friend. I never let mine out and still when my friends died I still think about them all the time. Someday I will do pictures of them all.

Randi-Lee

artinwc
03-13-2008, 04:47 PM
This painting is taken from a covered bridge near where I live. I have painted this in watercolor in the winter, but never in pastels. These are all pans and I think there is probably some tweaking that might need to be done, so I haven't signed it yet. Would really appreciate comments. I painted it on Ampersand Claybord with underpainting also done in pans...11 x 14. I really like the AS surface a lot better than the Claybord. Thanks!!!:)

Judith
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Mar-2008/50515-grn_mtn3_smaller.jpg

Willemke
03-13-2008, 06:01 PM
Judith....Beautiful painting again! Love the color of the tree's, reflection in the water and the rocks in the foreground and of course the covered bridge.
And I have noticed most of us have cats, that's why we are all so nice and get along so well!

Verla.... Welcome to this thread, Donna has done a wonderful job with it. And I remember your horse's eye, when I saw it I loved the reflection in it, very well done Verla!

Adiro.... Goodluck with your upcoming marriage, and I have to agree, this board is very addictive, but off course this one happens to be a Good addiction.

Donna.... Fani is doing another wonderful job on this painting, wow she paints on such a large scale. Dorothy has done a nice job on her still life, and Bev's monumental painting is coming along nicely.

Randi-Lee....That Loon (duck) that I was working on in class, I haven't touched it since Monday. I am not getting a good feeling from it, so I will leave it for awhile. That velour board was not cheap, so I don't really want to throw it away.

Cats and Dogs....I also have kept all my cats inside, My cat (american shorthair) "Kit" passed away 2 years ago at age 20 and my calico "Cappachino" passed away the same year at age 15, not once have they ever been outside and they never missed it i'm sure. My surviving cat "Mokie" (the bowling ball) is 16 years old, and is doing very well, she has never been outside either, I don't think she is really fat, she is just a big boned cat (himalyan/persion), about 30 lbs.
I also have a Jack Russell Terrorist who is 14 years old, and sometimes I look after my daughter's Jack Russell Terrorist.
I Love All animals, the more in my household the happier I am :cat::cat::cat:

Rusla
03-13-2008, 06:32 PM
Judith: Great painting, I love covered bridges and would love to do a picture of one. We don't have any in my neck of the woods.l

Willie: The animals wait for you at the door, I know your husband doesn't. I would have a whole place full of animals if I could. Years ago I used to have 7 cats and 4 dogs. Along with the two horses now, all I have is my two babies.

Dougwas
03-13-2008, 07:23 PM
Judith- Very nice painting. I love the reflections in the water and all the different colours in the trees. You said you did the underpainting in pans. Did you draw it out and block in colours? Is it a dry underpainting or did you use water with the pans? I must know all the secrets.:D


Doug

Dougwas
03-13-2008, 07:49 PM
Donna- Thanks for posting all of the paintings. Fani's painting is very interesting. Those happy faces looking out at you while climbing on the railing. It just shows you that kids are kids where ever they are from. I love the "white" shirt on the little girl. There must be 5 or 6 different colours in it. I can't wait to see more.

Susan did a fantastic job on the fruit. The oranges have that orange peel texture. You are right, she did a great job on the pitcher. It looks old.

Dorothy did a fine job. I like how she handled the fabric. She used lots of colour in it. It will be interesting to see how she progresses with the pans now that she is studying with you.

Bev's painting is looking like an old statue. Which is good.:D She is really getting that hundreds of years old feeling. I can't wait for the next update.

I worked on my painting for a few minutes today. It is coming along. Maybe I will get it done tomorrow.:rolleyes:

Thanks again.


Doug

Donna A
03-13-2008, 11:13 PM
This painting is taken from a covered bridge near where I live. I have painted this in watercolor in the winter, but never in pastels. These are all pans and I think there is probably some tweaking that might need to be done, so I haven't signed it yet. Would really appreciate comments. I painted it on Ampersand Claybord with underpainting also done in pans...11 x 14. I really like the AS surface a lot better than the Claybord. Thanks!!!:)

Judith
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Mar-2008/50515-grn_mtn3_smaller.jpg

Hi, Judith! Some really lovely things going on in this painting! I think you did the best with the things that are the very hardest---all the foliage and reflections. I've opened the image in PhotoShop where files will often show up a bit better---and when I squint at the painting, the very cold-gray and dark sidewalls of the bridge fade in value completely into the foliage, while the roof shows up extremely cold and light---unlike any of the surroundings, other than the small bit of mellow pale blue sky and the GORGEOUS foreground warm rocks, neither of which (at top edge and bottom edge of painting) are nearly as light, of course.

Now--I suspect that that is how the covered bridge actually look---but on the other hand, there is likely a bit of the surrounding colors reflecting onto the structure, so that would be great to look for. Also, you did a really good job of moving the value of the sidewalls from darker to lighter (YES!!!) and the roof a bit lighter to slightly darker in reverse order (YES!!!) and that is a perfect thing to do! Excellent! Now---the other thing to vary, while staying in keeping with the natural color and feel of the bridge is some temperature/color-feel in the grays. Would be likely to find areas where there is a bit more warmth---first simply for the visual variation for the sake of richness in the painting---and then certainly because of the warm, golden greens, the warm red and the warm, rich yellows surrounding much of the bridge, there would be some reflected influence of warmth. Adding a bit of warmth (not a cad. yellow-type cool yellow, but a yellow ochre or orangey or burnt sienna or red oxide version of light or dark gray warmth) would let the bridge "settle in" to it's surroundings. I'd also look for any "excuse" to let, perhaps the short tree above the middle of the roof, some tree in the background be a bit lighter. A bit. Very little bit.

The reflections really work, though I might double check your source to be sure the water reflection is definitely lighter than what it is reflecting. Often but NOT always, the reflection is a bit more likely to be darker as well as the duller you included. But this might be absolutely right on. Visually, it works and I just love the way you handled the reflection of the bridge roof as well as the sidewall! That light highlight at the water's edge coming from the left of the red tree base is just marvelous! It does pretty much match the roof-reflection color, but that may likely be just exactly how it was. The shoreline on the right is so well handled, too! Double check some of the dark line on the left. I'm being really picky. Not too bad---but---it's a pretty even arc with the tree base in the middle of the arc. I'm being picky. The grassy tuffs are about the same height and color patterns.

All over, you have wonderful variations in hard to soft edges. The pale foliage had great variation in the clusters of leaves! YES!!! Do squint a good bit---all of us with ANY painting we are doing!

For all the comments about usually subtle issues---it's a lovely painting, Judith! If you do do some tweaking, would love to see your outcome! Yea!!! Donna ;-}

artinwc
03-14-2008, 11:26 AM
Donna - Thank you, thank you, thank you!:clap: After studying the reference photo, my painting and your comments, there is a lot I want to do. Nothing major...but I want to put into use your comments. As I uploaded the photo I saw the arc of the left side of the water's edge and how harsh it looks. Will work on that and the grasses first. Actually the photo reference shows the reflections lighter and duller than their counterparts, but I have license to change this if this works better. I saw in the reference also, several tree trunks in the background that appeared much lighter...as light as the roof, which would help that, but I do want to warm it up too. So I'll be busy playing with this and will post it after the changes. I really do appreciate so much your taking the time to comment in depth. It helps me a lot. You're SO special!!!:)

Thanks,
Judith

Adiro
03-14-2008, 12:07 PM
Judith, I am too stressed out about my Sunday event, with reservations and everything, so not much art in my mind this week...but I just wanted to tell you that I really enjoy your painting!!!!

I think we all learn from Donna's thoughts, and I follow her comments and reference back to the painting, I can see what she talks about!!!! She has such a sharp sense of observation and combined with experience it helps us all learn!

I was being honest with myself sometimes earlier this morning, when I noticed that it feels a little like a bummer when I think I finished a painting, and then people come and tell me to change this and that.... somehow it upsets me that I didn't get it right from the beginning, but then, when I keep being honest to myself, I am grateful that it's still an opportunity to improve ... just a rant here... it's much better that way, when one gets honest opinions instead of flattery !

But all in all your painting is really lovely to look at and the scene is beautiful! You've got so much detail going on, you must have mastered by now all those little blue tools that the PanPs come with!!!

Donna A
03-14-2008, 12:15 PM
Donna - Thank you, thank you, thank you!:clap: After studying the reference photo, my painting and your comments, there is a lot I want to do. Nothing major...but I want to put into use your comments. As I uploaded the photo I saw the arc of the left side of the water's edge and how harsh it looks. Will work on that and the grasses first. Actually the photo reference shows the reflections lighter and duller than their counterparts, but I have license to change this if this works better. I saw in the reference also, several tree trunks in the background that appeared much lighter...as light as the roof, which would help that, but I do want to warm it up too. So I'll be busy playing with this and will post it after the changes. I really do appreciate so much your taking the time to comment in depth. It helps me a lot. You're SO special!!!:)

Thanks,
Judith
Hi, Judith! You are very welcome. If your ref photo is showing the reflections in the water lighter---then do leave them in that lighter value! I was just wondering IF the reflections did happen to be lighter, since it is more common to be darker. The reflections do work as they are. I just am used to asking questions. You shared the answer.

The lighter trees behind---which you are noticing as light AS the roof---perhaps let them go a bit darker than the roof, but lighter than they are now so that they act more as a 'value bridge' between that lightest area and the much darker surrounding areas, so that things are not so drastically EITHER mostly light or mostly dark. While that more 'extreme' either/or strong value contrast can work for a very dramatic atmosphere for some subjects with certain lighting, this painting seems to me to crave a bit of 'relief' for the stark geometric pale, cool shape of the roof (which you did such a good job of 'breaking up' on the left side to complement the right side. Those trees going a bit lighter could give the roof's value a 'neighboring friend,' so to speak, so it's not 'out there all by itself in the dark woods.' :) And if you do lighten the tree trunks which you mentioned a bit, do be sure they are not the same all the way up and down the trunk---and that the edges vary, as you have done with other things. Well, I think you know all of that---but guess I want to mention the thought for any one else who may be following some of these ideas.

And, I think for all of us, it is a good idea, almost always, to not make a significant change unless we know WHY we are making the change and HOW we think (hope, pray, wish) we'll do it and how it will work. :rolleyes: Guess why I say that! :eek: :o :D Yeah---personal experience. :lol: We've all 'fixed' sumthin' we shoulda either left alone or---waited to change until we understood better where in the goodness gracious we were going! :p :wink2: Ya know?! :rolleyes: When I'm checking out a painting I'm working on when observing a problem, I LOOK and LOOK and LOOK at the painting---and my subject and 'let it talk to me' until I SEE what want's fixin' and then go for it.

I LOOK a lot more than I PAINT when I'm doing a painting. That way, ironically, I am able to paint faster with good outcomes than many. And I do a LOT of that looking before I begin the painting. And then while I am painting, as well. Now for plein air pieces, we always have less luxury of time, so---with 'practice' looking with studio pieces plus all the years of working solely from life, it helps the fast work when necessary!

Looking forward to seeing more! Take good care! Donna ;-}
ps---feeling really tired today. grrr! i hope this makes some sense. :D d

Donna A
03-14-2008, 03:01 PM
Hi, everyone! I just had a phone call from Jennifer, whose WIP you've seen here at least once. She just heard from the Wichita Arts Center that she had taken Second Prize in their National Pastel Juried Exhibit that opens tonight! I'm soo excited! Yea! She doesn't know which painting it is for---but they are both very beautiful---one with a cluster of horses in a vast Kansas vista and the other a lone tree at the top of the hill, side of the road that winds around the place in Halsey, Nebraska where we were driving one day photographing when we were up there 2 Septembers when I was doing workshops there. She takes great photos along with making wonderful paintings! Both of these pieces, as so many of her works are on 40"x28" board of Colourfix. No, these were pre-Pan Pastel. Anyway---I'm delighted and just had to say so!!! Donna ;-}

Donna A
03-14-2008, 03:48 PM
Judith, I am too stressed out about my Sunday event, with reservations and everything, so not much art in my mind this week...but I just wanted to tell you that I really enjoy your painting!!!!
Hi, Adiro. I'm so sorry to hear that you are feeling so stressed, though I know there must be sooo much to do and such an important time. I do hope you can find some quiet joy and peace in what you look forward to Sunday!

I think we all learn from Donna's thoughts, and I follow her comments and reference back to the painting, I can see what she talks about!!!! She has such a sharp sense of observation and combined with experience it helps us all learn!

Thank you, Adiro.
I was being honest with myself sometimes earlier this morning, when I noticed that it feels a little like a bummer when I think I finished a painting, and then people come and tell me to change this and that.... somehow it upsets me that I didn't get it right from the beginning, but then, when I keep being honest to myself, I am grateful that it's still an opportunity to improve ... just a rant here... it's much better that way, when one gets honest opinions instead of flattery !

I think for all of us there is always more to see---and more to feel inside about what it is we want to express. I've learned over the years, to take all suggestions with a grain of salt---including mine! :) A lot of commenters are thinking more particularly about how THEY would do the painting rather than what your personal style of expression might be---or how visual elements might play together with each other in general. And then some folks just give poor advice, but with best intentions. So---always good to listen and then look---and then make your own choices where something seems to shine a light! :thumbsup:

But all in all your painting is really lovely to look at and the scene is beautiful! You've got so much detail going on, you must have mastered by now all those little blue tools that the PanPs come with!!!

I so agree with you, Adiro! Take good care! And---deep breaths! Joy! :) And very best wishes! Donna ;-}

Rusla
03-14-2008, 04:22 PM
Willie, maybe you need to put that bump into your loon. Also a warning with any Dick Blick stuff you have ordered FedEX just sent me a bill for stuff that I got 5 months ago from them. They have charged me more than the items cost me, more like double.

Randi-Lee

Dougwas
03-14-2008, 07:56 PM
Hi Gang

It has been a while since I have posted anything here. I just finished this still life. Donna gave me permission to do it. (Thanks again Donna) The painting is on 12 x 9 Sand Colourfix but I cropped it in PS to about 9 x 6. I think I will try this set up again, cropping the photo before, because it was fun painting all the different colours and I want a full 12 x 9 painting.:evil:

Thanks for looking,

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Mar-2008/102199-Copper_Jug_Cropped.jpg

Doug

Donna A
03-14-2008, 11:27 PM
Hi Gang

It has been a while since I have posted anything here. I just finished this still life. Donna gave me permission to do it. (Thanks again Donna) The painting is on 12 x 9 Sand Colourfix but I cropped it in PS to about 9 x 6. I think I will try this set up again, cropping the photo before, because it was fun painting all the different colours and I want a full 12 x 9 painting.:evil:

Thanks for looking,

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Mar-2008/102199-Copper_Jug_Cropped.jpg

Doug
Hi, Doug! Yea! :clap: Love the play of the rich colors---with that great and so appropriate lower-intensity teal blue of the drape against the more intense coppery oranges of the pitcher and the colors of the fruits. They all have form and sense of light---and visually yummy strokes with their variations in color. Yea!!! Fresh and delightful to look at!

Will be fun to see what else you may do with this set up. I must take it apart this weekend and set up a new one. Hmmmm---what next? :-) I'm glad you enjoyed painting this. It's inspired some really lovely pieces! Doug, I keep looking at those two plums in the front. They are just superb! You know---they are just especially gorgeously painted. And you did a great job of the whole thing!!! :thumbsup: :clap: Take good care! Donna ;-}

artinwc
03-15-2008, 04:42 AM
Doug - I love the colors in your still life! The pitcher and fruits themselves are just lucious, and one of my favorite parts of the painting is the way you laid in the shadow on the red fruit. The shadowed side of the fruit also shows the reflected light on the edge and the cast shadow on the table has lots of wonderful colors in it.

I enjoy looking at this painting. Very nice!!!:clap: :clap:

Judith

Dougwas
03-15-2008, 05:47 PM
Donna- Thank you. I kept telling myself to use different temperatures in the same hue and LOOK for the colours. The next thing you know, I was doing it without thinking.:D I was even mixing my own colours, like the dark colour in the plums. Blue, red and black. Thank you for reminding me of things to remember when painting. It's starting to get though my thick skull.:lol:

Judith- Thanks. The colours were what drew me to the photo. I took one look at it and knew I had to paint it. I wasn't too sure about the shadows so I kept going back to them. Now I am happy with them.:) Now, I am going to borrow from you. I think I will try this set up again, but this time I am going to do a watercolor underpainting.:eek: You don't know until you try, right?


Doug

artinwc
03-15-2008, 06:17 PM
Did you draw it out and block in colours? Is it a dry underpainting or did you use water with the pans? I must know all the secrets.


Doug - I'm sorry I forgot to answer your questions about the covered bridge painting. I did draw it out in charcoal pencil, gave the drawing a light coat of fixative, then blocked in all the colors using pans. I didn't wet them, just gave the blocked-in painting another coat of fixative. I find that for me, the Claybord doesn't hold as much pastel. I may just redo this one entirely, using the AS surface.

I'll bet a watercolor underpainting would work really well with the still life. I also just watched a DVD where Richard McKinley did an underpainting in very thin oil washes. It looked so neat...I've got to try that too. :D

Judith

Adiro
03-15-2008, 09:39 PM
Doug, your painting is nice! I love seeing more than one interpretation of the same scene ( still life here) It's really instructive to notice how everybody has another point of view on the same subject!

Donna, thank you so much for the good wishes, tomorrow is a big day for me, I am stressed out but happy happy, and hopefully Monday is Painting Day!!!!! I'm typing and smiling thinking about you and all the other nice people that I met in here, I think I've never spent this much time on Internet before the WetCanvas thing. So nice to read your repplies!

Randy, I got my PanPs from DickBlick as well, but I chose the International Mail option, ( which was like double expensive than FedEx) because I knew that FedEx has some stupendous fees. To my surprise, I had nothing to pay when the package arrived. I hope I don't get a bill in 5 months!

Donn
03-15-2008, 10:10 PM
Hi all,
Gee, hard to believe a week has gone by already since I last dropped in.
Donna, so glad to hear you are feeling better. Flue is no fun.
Verla, welcome to our group here. Since you have been in Donna's class, you are definitely in good hands!
Judith, love your covered bridge. They have always fascinated me. A lot of them in New England area but I never was into art when I was up there. Nice work.
Doug, like your still life, full of life and color! That's one subject I just don't care much for at all. You did a good job with it.
I still have 2 weeks to go in our watercolor pencil class. My latest is on my flickr if you care to look. One was a lotus, done Chinese brush style and that was a bit hard with watercolor pencils!
Haven't had a chance to even do a brief sketch with the PanPastels. Too many other things going on besides the classes.

Donna A
03-16-2008, 10:32 PM
Hi, all! I posted this in another thread about painting from photos a few minutes ago---but just thought I'd share it here, too. This is text from an article I wrote "Painting from Life; Painting from Photos" when I was asked to do an article for the Pastel Society of America's magazine a year or so ago. I haven't included the photos or the side bar text. Donna ;-}

Painting from Life / Painting from Photos
Donna Aldridge psa m-maps

Decades ago, in my very earliest years of painting, The Word was that painting from photos was “copying” and painting from real life was “creating.” But I soon realized that there were artists “just copying” even when standing in front of a real live model, a still life or out in the field — and other artists were marvelously creating from anything, everything, including subjects they were observing IRL (in real life) and/or from photographs which they had taken! How fascinating to understand that the real difference was in creative spirit, real-life experience and the attitude of the artist! There are certainly interesting differences between what our own eyes see and what our camera lens sees and records. Being more aware of the differences can serve us well since each offers us some wonderful opportunities which the other does not!

Of course, photographs deliver fewer nuances of color. Scientists learned that human beings will see more difference in colors in close proximity to each other than is actually there (which offers delicious possibilities,) while the camera will lump “similars” together as a single color. When we paint from our photos, our real-life experience comes into play to augment what the photo reveals! Having actually stood before the real source to take the “photographic notes” leaves us with rich memories of what originally excited us about the scene and inspired us to capture it!

Several years ago, I was painting plein air in the park behind my house and mid-way through, decided to also photograph various scenes around me which were so lovely. When I developed the film a week or so later, I was so surprised that my favorite painted scene on site was absolutely boring in the photo! Why? When we concentrate on a single object or area, it gains contrast and everything else looses contrast. The camera just records it all equally! Research led me to the understanding that the human eye can see and distinguish pattern considerably better than anyone else in the animal world — or the camera. Our eye can be selective. The camera can not. And again, added to our artistic spirit — ahh! What excitement we can create!

Some locations would just be to “tricky” to paint in. My daughter, who lives in Santa Fe, NM, introduced me to the Pecos River about 30 miles east. She drove us up the narrow mountain road on two different visits with her. The Pecos flowed beside the little road in many places, and she would quickly pull over once in awhile where the road allowed — and I’d go rumbling quickly through the brush and down the embankment to the rocky river side. Some of the most interesting views called for my “tight-rope walking” (on curvy, smooth river rocks) out into the water’s flow. Perched out on stones peaking ever-so-slightly out of the water, praying not to go plunging in, I found my compositions in the lens and snapped them! Definitely not the sort of places to set up an easel! But I remembered the overall majesty, the watery music, the rustle of leaves in the breeze! We are so fortunate to be able to bring this to our paintings, even in the studio. Some favorite paintings have come from these shots. [Pecos River at Bear Creek]

Another wonderful advantage of photographs is when some fleeting weather/sky/lighting effect, etc. is happening and we can capture that very striking moment — which never would last long enough for us to make even a quick sketch! A blessing! And when traveling, we can use our camera for “note-taking” as we go along, when we do not have time to tarry! Or when we are plein-air painting in a gorgeous location that is “perfect” and we don’t have time to paint everything that engages our imagination! I’ve taken so many photos out of a car window! Oh, the possibilities! [Back Road to Galisteo]

Another interesting issue comes into play when considering that our human vision is stereoptic — and gives us a greater sense of depth perception. The camera lens is “one-eyed,” capturing a flattened pattern. Certainly when we focus on any particular edge, it will appear sharp. But personal experience and creative vision lets us guide the viewers through our paintings with our own artistic choices of harder and softer edges, along with other pictorial qualities which give greater or less depth, as we choose.

We so take for granted that our eyes adjust to lights and darks as we change our focus. Looking into a large shadowed area, we can distinguish the various nuances of hue and value, but the camera will usually offer us a fairly empty, dark space since it catches one overall exposure. This often leads to paintings with dark, flat shadows. Film sets up this problem even more than digital shots, which can often be more forgiving, particularly with PhotoShop CS’s Adjust > Shadow/Light, where we can do some amazing things to retrieve darks which are full of information.

And then there are the “frankenstein” pieces (as I refer to them.) They are images pieced together out of several different photographs. In the “old days,” I would cut up photos and tape together to achieve the composition I wanted, then use Stabillo pencils to “redesign” further. Later, photocopies allowed me a bit more range, even being able to do some limited color-correcting, such as having very green landscapes altered with heavier magenta ink levels. Finally, with great joy, the computer and PhotoShop! Life is good! So very many options, so little time! “American Heartland” is a combination of at least five different photos plus some PS painting. This gave me the scene I wanted to paint! [American Heartland]

The camera had a huge impact on painters in the mid-1800s. Suddenly figures were captured, frozen in awkward positions rarely noticed by us before. The camera began cropping figures or other objects in ways we were not used to considering. A whole new way of seeing — and composing! This cropping often has given a greater sense of intimacy or immediacy than might have been depicted with the model posing for the painting.

Depending on an artist’s style, there are many advantages or disadvantages in working from our subject through photos we’ve taken, rather than in real life. The first main issue is that the photo removes the subject from “reality.” We can’t walk around it to gain understanding of certain qualities. Our subject does not exist in the world with us physically, leaving no “equal presence.” Still, the photo already being reduced to two dimensions can be helpful for some artists to frame things in their mind. It can permit a detached view of the forms, helping some to be less “attached” to the objects and traditional stumbling blocks, letting them be more focused on shapes, color, light, etc. If the artist is not well acquainted with the subject from working extensively in real life, the artist is forced to guess at far too many issues — and there it becomes a liability. If working in a stylized fashion, this can be a moot point or even an advantage, but if working representationally, particularly realistically, this creates great problems without first-hand working experience with the ‘real thing’. That lack of experience can lead to dead, stilted, lifeless, poorly-colored paintings.

With photos, the lighting does not change on the landscape — but no breeze, whiffs of flowers, birds singing. Still, no insects, sudden rain, pollen in the air, etc. And the model doesn’t move, nor do garments shift from sitting to sitting. No waiting for the model’s break to end! The expression on a model never varies, however those variations usually reveal the range of that person’s looks, but can be hard to hold a ‘certain’ expression and tilt of the head. Camera may click at just the perfect smile or at a moment with an uncharacteristic expression. On the other hand, we can save money if photographing a friend or family member, or a model we’ve hired once to pose once for the camera — as opposed to hiring a model to sit for hours or more likely, weeks. The apples in the still life never begin to shrink up, the linen cloth to “wilt.” But we do sacrifice Real Life! We weight our trade-offs!

One of my joys is to settle back with a number of recent (or even older) landscape photos and “plot and plan” new paintings! I love imagining, savoring, envisioning what I might create. Photos offer us an opportunity to study our imagery at leisure *— over hours, days, weeks, months, even years. And with photos, we can work at any hour! Very convenient! There are advantages both ways! I would never want to limit myself to one OR the other! I want both the real life experience that I so enjoyed for decades before adding photographs to my painting life! Both can be so valuable to our inspiration!
— Donna Aldridge psa m-maps

ps---I spent the first two or three decades of my painting life working solely from life---plein air or models or still lifes in the studio---and it is still my first choice, though these days I paint a lot of landscapes from photos I've taken on my travels. D

Most of the photos, named in brackets, can be found at http://www.aldridgestudios.com/100-Gallery.html either on that page or with the link "Kansas City/Santa Fe..." from that page.

Rusla
03-16-2008, 11:25 PM
Doug, great picture!. I am going to reach into it and eat your plums. They are such a lovely colour.
Donna, absolutely terrific article.

Randi-Lee

PeggyB
03-17-2008, 12:31 AM
Thanks for the great article Donna! You've pointed out several very important things to consider when choosing one method or the other. I had to chuckle to myself when reading at one time you went to the trouble of cutting up several different photos to recompose a scene - can you believe I did that too? Of course you can! :lol:
Peggy

Donna A
03-17-2008, 02:44 AM
Thanks for the great article Donna! You've pointed out several very important things to consider when choosing one method or the other. I had to chuckle to myself when reading at one time you went to the trouble of cutting up several different photos to recompose a scene - can you believe I did that too? Of course you can!
Peggy
Donna, absolutely terrific article.
Randi-Lee
Hi, Peggy and Randi-Lee! Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the article. I really did enjoy writing it. Took a bit to come at it the way that felt right to write it---and then it all came together and felt like it flowed. I had done so much research over the years on bits and pieces of information for my "Mastersing Painting from your Own Source Photos" and had so much good info and understandings I'd been living with for years and using, so was fun to share some of it in a different foremat from the workshops and my own use in my paintings.

Right now I'm in the early stage of another magazine article, and like this one, I have 70 thousand thoughts and only beginning to find the connecting thread I want to follow. And then will edit down madly! Think I've decided on the step-by-step photos of a painting to use. Looking so much forward to getting fully into it now that the MAPS newsletter is finished as of tonight---and the Greater Kansas City Iris Society Pin for the 2008 Convention is approved as of today---the MAPS juried show invitation is done and I'm almost done resizing the 70-some digital images for the show gallery's web site and in-gallery big flat-screen showing---so, now I can breath! :-) And I can thoroughly relish writing this new article! yea! Really looking forward to it! :-) Getting over this flu would be a nice addition! But just burning up this laptop like mad! Bless it's heart!

Yes, Peggy---I can absolutely imagine you also putting to getter a painting subject out of many bits! LOL! So funny all the things we both seem to so typically gravitate toward! :D

Here---I decided I might as well add text from the two side bars from the article I wrote for the PSA PastelOgram.

Distortions
as advantage or disadvantage, depending on style:
• emphasize object, size, lighting, etc.
• compression or expansion of space
• sharp focus or blur/fuzziness
• multiple exposure (Sheeler used)
• figures or objects cut off at unusual points
• drama or quiet derived from high contrast film, developing process, computer work, soft focus lens, etc.
• A camera, used from a low spot, records with exaggerated prominence the foreground object close to the camera. It gives the scene a flatter perspective (used by Degas and TLautrec. TL used photographic distortion in pieces such as the Fernando Circus: The Ring Master.)

Effects of Different Types of Lenses & Filters on Image
• Wide angle creates a very deep space. The objects in back look proportionally much smaller. Gives a very exaggerated relative scale.
•Telephoto creates a very shallow, compressed space. Objects in background look large (think silent movie/train tracks.)
• Zoom lenses give you several in one. 28/80, 35/110, 70/210 and other combinations for either side of normal or for telephoto.
• 17mm non-fisheye is a great wide-angle lens.
• Wratten #90 will neutralize an image to B/W.
• Polarizing Filters will remove glare from water, glass and other highly reflective surfaces.
• For some unusual b/w imagery, use infra-red film or experiment with different colored filters such as greens, reds and others.

Now---think I'm about to fall asleep. Have been behaving and resting constantly so that I can be all sassy tomorrow for class and writing and all the other things that have not gotten done. I want to PAINT! I want to finish the big sunrise sky with my Pan Pastels and finish washing the sponges I laid to soak in a big mixing bowl "for just a few minutes"----Tuesday evening a week ago when the flu hit. Well---those babies should wash out well! :p Hope you all are getting to paint, too!!! And that maybe some of the thoughts in the article will add some useful ideas as you color away! Very best wishes! Must get you some more photos of paintings tomorrow! And hope you will, too! Enjoy!!! Donna ;-}

Dougwas
03-17-2008, 02:15 PM
Thanks for your kind comments Adi, Donn and Randi-Lee. I was a fun still life to paint because of all the colours. It was so much fun, I am going to paint it again.

Donna, thank you so much for sharing your article with us. I have been following the other thread and I have had steam coming out of my ears at the narrow thoughts coming from some people.

For me, painting on location is not an option. I cannot physically do it. So does this mean I am not supposed to paint landscapes? Some days I am unable to sit at my easel in my studio where I have a still life set up. So, I take a photo of my set up and take it and my pans to my recliner and paint away. Does this offend some people? Maybe I see a photo in the RIL that calls out to be painted. Am I not allowed to paint it the way I see it?

I think I am like a lot of people in this world. Most people take up art as a hobby. Some people are better at it than others but that doesn't mean the less talented people don't love it just as much. Before my injury, as soon as the snow had melted, you could find me on the local golf couse if you couldn't find me at home. I had people tell me that they didn't know anybody who loved the game more than I did. They were all better golfers than I was, but that didn't bother me. I was there for the fun of the game, not for other people. Just like painting. I am here for the fun of it. If I ever stop having fun, I will quit painting. If I bend some rules along the way, so be it.

Thanks for letting me rant. I have to go and paint Donna's still life set up again and if that offends anybody, too bad.:evil:

Doug

ps- I felt more comfortable posting here than the other thread

Willemke
03-17-2008, 07:07 PM
Doug..... Wonderful job on your still life painting, I like the rich colors you used on your fruit, very nice job :thumbsup:

Donna... your article is amazing!, you are one multi talented person!

Donna A
03-18-2008, 12:12 AM
Thank you, Willemke!!!

And Doug, I think your comments just posted are absolutely eloquent and right to the point! You are speaking for sooo many people! As much as I so thoroughly believe that we see the most from painting IRL, I also know that there are sooooo many reasons that we often can't---or that it may not serve our very real purposes nearly as well. You are sooo right! Well said.

I get utterly irked with those who think that something IS and/or MUST be such-and-such. duh! To them I say try the old "walk a mile in ___'s shoes!!!" :thumbsup:

I have photos I need to upload---languishing in the camera for days. Laura Lee worked again today on her geraniums---and they are staying soo fresh and exciting!

Bev worked on her great stone sculpture again today. She commented that she was working on a piece at her studio and that it was sooo hard to go back to her stick pastels. She's finding it sooo much easier to do many of the strokes at which she is soooo adept with the Pan Pastels than with the sticks. Geeee. :-) Of course, both are sooo wonderful---but the EASE we've talked about before, ages ago, is so much at play here! There IS a lovely ease that is refreshing---certainly once one gets the feel for these. And it does take a bit of practice and attention to get the most out of these--well---it does with most good 'tools.'

Oh---speaking of practice, one of the gals in class sang at Carnigie Hall in NYC last week! Part of a 250 chorus from around the country. Talk about practice! She came home very hoarse---and could not talk when making up a class last Thursday, but I did implore her to regale us with her adventures today in class. Pretty cool! Oh---no curtains for the stage there---and NO cameras anywhere in the building allowed. And it's a tiny space behind the stage, etc. They all got three standing ovations. We are so proud of her.

And then the invitations for the MAPS Juried Show arrived today---and were drowned sitting on the front porch with the heavy rain. Ruined about 2/3 of the 1500 cards. Airborne Express did not put the fairly small box in a plastic bag, as Fed Ex would have, in spite of heavy rain in the whole area allll day. Well---I could go on, but won't. Other than 40 minutes on the phone with the VistaPrint company and it's all semi-worked out. grrr And the iris society loved the design for the pin. yea So much for today's adventures. :D Resting feels good! Looking forward to waving goodbye to the aftermath of this flu! :wave: Stay well, dear friends! Donna ;-}

Dougwas
03-18-2008, 01:10 AM
Willemke, thanks for the remarks. I had fun using different colours and temperatures in the fruit. As I told Donna, maybe some of the things she has been telling us is getting through this thick skull.:D

Donna, thanks for understanding. Maybe this wasn't the proper place to vent, but I had to say something. I feel better now. :evil:

I am looking forward to seeing Bev's next update. You can tell her that her sticks will always be there for her. I am sure they understand.:lol:

So one of your studends paints AND sang at Carnigie Hall? Wow. That must have been exciting for her. Something she will remember forever.

It's too bad that the invitations were ruined in the rain. Don't people think? Rain and paper don't mix! I just wish people would take responsibility for their actions. Oh, there I go ranting again.:o

Take care and get rid of that darn flu.


Doug

Rusla
03-21-2008, 09:49 PM
You know Doug, it doesn't matter why you paint, play golf, tennis, etc., it is that it gives you joy and harms no one else. Who cares how good you are or aren't.

I have seen professional artists that to me doesn't resemble art but it does to them and to others. Viva le differance! Thank goodness we are all different and have different tastes in everything. If we all like the same thing then we are all clones and what a boring world we would have.

Some love Picasso, I don't but then I like Carl Brenders and others don't. I like others and they don't bit deal.

You do what you like how you like and if others don't like it too bad.
My motto is : "if they don't like it, they don't have to look."

Randi-Lee

artinwc
03-21-2008, 11:47 PM
Either I'm imagining it, or we have lost our more recent posts. The last post I submitted (which never made it to the server) was a response to several of our members here.

...Willemke about her comment how nice folks are here...such a warm and friendly place. She'd posted earlier that she was working on a painting of a loon on a velour surface and was having to use sticks to lay in the underpainting, but that was working well. Also that her 4-yr. old granddaughter would be here this Easter weekend with her. Willemke, again, I hope you have a wonderful visit with your granddaughter and a Happy Easter. :cat:

...I responded to Doug's last post about the watercolor underpainting he was starting. I also was thanking him for the encouraging comments about my feeling not too inspired while I was trying to fight off the flu. He reassured me that everyone has been there, probably more than once.:) Thank you, Doug!

...I responded to Peggy's last post in which she said she would be sharing with us some of her students photos, when she gets the CDs. They were not done with pans, but I told her I was just so eager to get into the sticks too, and hoped to learn a lot from her students' paintings. Thank you for saying you'll share those with us when you can, Peggy.

...And then Randi-Lee had posted that she was working on two paintings, one in acrylic and one in pans of a fairy in the woods with autumn-colored wings, I think. Randi-Lee, I hope you will show it to us soon.:)

...And I had responded to All that I took my hubby back to the doctor again Tuesday and she did tests for flu and mono. She thinks he may have the latter. She also started me on some flu meds, as she thinks I may have a milder version. At least I feel well enough to help care for my sweetie, even if I'm not up to painting right now. I have several possible painting ideas to sketch, but I don't even feel like sketching right now. The closest I have gotten is laying on the sofa watching art DVDs. I will bounce back soon though.

Any way, I wish you all...Donna, Adiro, Donn, Peggy, Douglas, Randi-Lee, W.C. Lee, Willemke and anyone I may have accidentally left out a very Happy Easter holiday.:wave:

Stay well and Happy Painting!
Judith

Dougwas
03-22-2008, 01:05 AM
Hi Gang:wave:

It wasn't bad enough that WC was down for so long, I ALSO BROKE MY RECLINER!!!:eek: I have a part on order, but it will be about 2 weeks. I'll think of something. I can't wait that long to paint.

I missed everybody the past few days. I kept checking to see if WC was up and running. I got fooled a couple of times. I hope everyone is well.

Randi-Lee- Yes. I agree with you. I basically said the same thing in a post that no longer exists. I paint for me, not anyone else.:p

Judith- I did read your post about the underpainting. Thanks for the info. I started my pan painting with a watercolour underpainting. I think I used too bright and warm blue for the fabric so I dont know how it will end up. I will have to try to get back at it tomorrow.

Take care of yourself while caring for your hubby.


Doug

Adiro
03-22-2008, 09:38 AM
I just wanted to wish everybody HAPPY EASTER!!!!!
I am not celebrating it yet, as I am Orthodox, and our Easter falls much later this year, but I can sure share the [email protected]

Donna, what a great article on photography! Lots of insight, wonderfully written!

I am interested in photography as well, and as a little hobby in its own right. But I found that often photography has helped my paintings, when the memory doesn't serve that well. and it often hurt it too... well, my only comment is related to to the list of focal lengths, which nowadays becomes all too confusing given that cameras have different sized sensors... I found that a "normal" focal length is often the best for using in paintings, unless one is for unusual effects, as you say...
I would add that when photographing people for a painting, wide angle should be avoided, and normal or telephoto should be prefered, as they don't distort the facial features that much... maybe you already said it, but now I am roaming free and fast (too fast!) throgh WetCanavas, as it is back online. I missed it !:)

Rusla
03-22-2008, 10:21 AM
Judith, if hubby has mono a bummer for sure, been there done that. Hope all of you get better soon. That evil flu seems to be around here now a friend of mine has had it. I haven't done much on the pics lately because I forgot I had a fetish wear show I have to have things made for and I don't know if I will get any done for it which is in less than three weeks. Maybe I will just do the one in October.

Doug, hope you get the recliner fixed soon.

Randi-Lee

Rusla
03-22-2008, 10:21 AM
Judith, if hubby has mono a bummer for sure, been there done that. Hope all of you get better soon. That evil flu seems to be around here now a friend of mine has had it. I haven't done much on the pics lately because I forgot I had a fetish wear show I have to have things made for and I don't know if I will get any done for it which is in less than three weeks. Maybe I will just do the one in October.

Doug, hope you get the recliner fixed soon.

Randi-Lee

blissfullyunaware
03-22-2008, 12:44 PM
This article is fasinating, was looking for something else when I came accross it. I don't have time now to go through the entire 57 pages.. lol... so hopefully this will tag it so I can find it again...

Donna A
03-22-2008, 03:01 PM
Hi, everyone!!! Lot of catch-up for us all to do! In this post you'll find a LOT of new or continuing Pan Pastels (some with some great detail shots) from Fani, Bev, Laura Lee---and this new piece from Susan that she's just started roughing in:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Mar-2008/77048-Susan-ForestGlow.jpg

I'm glad you enjoyed reading my PSA Pastelogram magazine article on Painting from Life / Painting from Photos. I think it is so importantly useful to understand the differences between what is offered by painting from real life and painting from photos so that we can most fully appreciate benefits (and possible minuses for our particular situations) for both. There was so much more material that was not possible to include in the original 5-page article, such as photos and sub-text for them along with the side bars which added still a lot more info. One of my favorite workshop subjects and among THE most popular subjects is "Mastering Painting from Your Own Source Photos." Some have taken it over and over. So much about Concept and Composition, dynamic energies and so on as well as taking good source photos, etc---and then how to choose and then paint one in the workshop. Pretty cool. One of these days I'm going to get the article scanned in and posted to download on my web site. So--now and then, check the Writings page because I WILL get it done in time! :rolleyes:

Judith, I think you are right about some of our recent posts being lost. Hmmmm. But talk about catastrophes---Doug! Your recliner! I can appreciate the dent that puts in your life! Yikes!!! Hope the repair piece arrives fast! NOW for fun, yummy pictures!

Here's the painting Laura Lee has worked on the last two weeks--on Terra Cotta Colourfix 28x20 from a photo she took on her travels looking into the window from the patio of a restaurant. This is still a work in progress and Laura Lee has beautifully first roughed-in the respectively-larger areas of each object (including the walls as well as the petal or leaf COLOR FORMS), then layered on finer nuances as she builds up the painting. She is staying so very painterly in this piece! Her strokes are fresh and each one makes a specific statement about the shape and color of the object it's visually creating. Photo, with some grid lines.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Mar-2008/77048-LauraLee-photo.jpg
Below, this shows the brick side of the photo, clipped on to the upper left side of the painting's board--and how she has marked off an inch on either side of the paper to let the painting conform to the composition she worked out in her photo---and then the next stage, cropped toward the final composition area.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Mar-2008/77048-LauraLee-1-a.jpg
You can see the progression of the brick wall from the first to second piece. And then also in the marble ledge, which gets redrawn in the third where it had gotten a bit off. Also notice the progression of the table cloth, both it's lower edge as well as the colors that show it's form. Last, how Laura Lee begins blocking in the fine red lines decorating the cloth. And taking some areas back out easily to slightly redraw them. She's laid them in very lightly with the edge of a block sponge so that she CAN correct easily to get just the right flow everywhere before going back and letting them be more solid and clean. You'll see more the detail photos. Pardon the lack of sharp focus on too many. blush!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Mar-2008/77048-LauraLee-1-b.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Mar-2008/77048-LauraLee-2.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Mar-2008/77048-LauraLee-2-detail-1.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Mar-2008/77048-LauraLee-2-detail-2.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Mar-2008/77048-LauraLee-2-detail-3.jpg

Now, the lastest stage in Fani's magnificent 40"x28" Colourfix Soft Umber painting of the children at the children's clinic in South Africa. As with Laura Lee's, we are all just relishing the wonderful fresh painterliness of both pieces!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Mar-2008/77048-Fani-children-6.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Mar-2008/77048-Fani-children-6-detail_1.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Mar-2008/77048-Fani-children-6-detail_2.jpg
Fani has done such a wonderful job of making every stroke count, larger or smaller! In the faces of the three little girls standing together in the distance, seen in the photo right above, each stroke rather sculpts the forms, making sure there is rich (and appropriate) variation in value as well as in intensity and temperature. She makes sure, as in other areas of the painting, that what she chooses to note is important, again whether larger or smaller in size of stroke---and that it really carries visual IMPACT!!! No fussing. Not throwing strokes of a flurry of colors hoping something somehow works. I watch Fani looking at her photo, then making wise choices, then making that specific statement as a stroke or two or three of color, then she looks again! And she has not made a false step yet! We are all just watching with delight and amazement! Please enjoy, along with the rest of us!

Here are two stages of the PanP that Linda (of White Linen fame) just started, along with the photo, which is not quite as orangey-red or light as how this photo looks. She's intending to experiment with the Pans as underpainting for the sticks, but---is wondering if maybe maybe she might stay with just Pans??? She's going to decide later. You can see her strong drawing style that carries through into her strong paintings. She's working broadly to create her foundation, but also commented that she'd intended to save all the grassy strokes for the sticks, but was finding that using the sides of the mini-tool gave her effects she really liked. We talked about a few other variations, as well that she can try next week when she gets to that stage. Half-sheet of 28x20 Aubergine or Elephant Cfix:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Mar-2008/77048-LC-TreesByLake-1.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Mar-2008/77048-LC-TreesByLake-2.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Mar-2008/77048-LC-TreesByLake-photo.jpg

Hmmm---now I KNOW it took a most recent shot of Bev's big Roman Statue piece, but am not finding it. And now that I think of it---also took a photo of Dorothy's first large PanP painting and it is soo fresh and bold! I'm wondering from the experience that several people have had if they might find it more freeing to work a fair bit larger---or do a single object (interestingly lighted, of course!) at least life-size or slightly larger to get a feel for each plane and have room to express any 'details' without feeling a need to pick something to bits, when that has seemed like a problem for them. Then--I know I made a point of photoing Fani's photo this last week. I'll look for those photos--or retake next week. Oh---and Bonnie's, too! Hmmmm!

Well---at least, I hope these are enough to feast on for now. Lot to be learned from some of these. Hope you enjoy! Take good care, all! Donna ;-}

PeggyB
03-22-2008, 05:31 PM
Just let me quickly respond with WOW! Donna these are all coming along very nicely.

I mentioned "quickly" because I can't sit here much longer. Just had my third day of chiropractic "adjustment" to my hips and back. Once again my right hip has slipped lower than the left hip so there goes 3 weeks of therapy on that. Then the x rays truly reveled my spine at L4 and L5 has reached the "degenerative" stage, and that needs even more attention, and then I found that all the time on the computer has contributed to the extremely tight neck and shoulder muscles/tendons, etc so that needs help too! Right now I need ICE! :eek:

Happy Easter to all of you who celebrate that event.

Peggy

artinwc
03-22-2008, 06:45 PM
Donna - WOW and wow and wow!!! :thumbsup: These paintings are coming along sooo beautifully! I am just in love with the geraniums. The greens are so rich and the geraniums look so fresh and spontaneous. Fani's painting is coming along great and is going to be an awesome piece of work. And I think Susan's woods scene is going to be wonderful. It helps a lot seeing the early stages of the paintings. I really like the composition of the landscape that Linda is doing too. I guess we'll have to wait till next time to see Bev's statue. It is so good of you to share these with us. I only wish I could be there in person for one of your classes...maybe one of these days. Until then, I'm looking forward to enjoying your DVDs! :)

Doug - I am so sorry about your recliner. :( I hope you have found some substitute for the short term so that you can continue to paint and relax at the same time. Or at least, as Donna says, that the part to fix it arrives soon.

Peggy - That sounds pretty painful...what you're going through. :eek: My thoughts are with you and I hope that the docs and therapists can give you some relief in the short term and hopefully fix the problem. I hate it when our bodies don't cooperate with the painting spirit we all have! I have found that I tend to scrunch up my shoulders and pull in my neck at the computer and have to constantly remind myself to not do that.

Adiro - We've missed you this week. I hope that things are settling down for you and your newly married life. Thanks for the Easter wishes.:)

To everyone - :clap: Happy Easter (if you celebrate it) and happy weekend whether you do or not. We are feeling a little better here, and hubby is on the mend now. Thanks for all your good wishes.

Judith

Rusla
03-22-2008, 09:43 PM
Donna, those pictures are really stunning.
For those of who celebrate it Happy Easter and for others Happy Oestara and if not happy eating lots of a major food group, chocolate.
I am off to bed as I work early tomorrow.

Randi-Lee

Dougwas
03-22-2008, 11:27 PM
Donna- Thank you for sharing the photos with us. The close ups of Laura Lee's painting are great. They show the strokes used to create the flowers and leaves, or should I say the illusion of flowers and leaves. It shows you don't have to paint each and every leaf and petal. Great use of warm and cool colours in the brick and the table cloth design looks good.

Fani's painting is looking great. It is full of life. She has captured the mood of the children. There are so many colours but you really have to look for them to notice because they look so natural. Can't wait to see more.

Susan and Linda are off to a good start with their two very different landscape styles. It shows there are many ways to use the pans so you can still have your own style. I look forward to seeing further updates.

Donna, I swear you are a mind reader. You mentioned to use larger paper or paint things lifesize on smaller paper. That is exactly what I was thinking. I painted my apples larger than life a few weeks ago and I really liked the freedom I had when painting them. It is easier to paint the different planes and add some detail when the object is bigger. I have plenty of 9 x 12 Colourfix to use, so I think I will try some simple still lifes and see what happens. I do have some larger Wallis, but I think I will save that for now. I might order some colourfix primer the next time I place an order and start making my own boards. Then I can make them any size.

Randi-Lee, Don't work too hard. Save some energy for painting.:)

Judith, I am glad things are getting better for you and your husband. Good health to you both.

Now, If I can get comfortable on this stupid couch...oh, sorry.:o :crying:


Doug

Donna A
03-23-2008, 01:38 AM
Hi, Doug! Oh, listen to you "talk!" :clap: You are making such great observations!!! Yea! :thumbsup: And I'm so glad you have been considering doing some things in larger proportions! Great minds! Now---I hope you can puff up some pillows to sculpt that couch so you can just get perfectly cozy for your painting!

By the way, everyone---if you have ever wondered what would happen to some PanP sponge tools abandoned in a big bowl of cleaning water for a week and a half---turns out they come out just fine. :) I had put them in to wash that afternoon just when I got hit by that wretched flu and heaven help 'em till I finally could stay up long enough to fool with them again! So---yet another experiment, albeit unplanned. Still---good to know, just in case.... :D

And I keep learning about still more artists around here who have ordered Pan Pastels. I'm soo looking forward to hearing more from others with such different styles. It is just so fascinating to see all the different ways of working with these, as Doug noted.

Happy Easter to all who join in that celebration! And blessings of spring to all of us in the northern hemisphere! Friends in Australia reported that they had been having 105 degrees F days in their late summer! Whew! Need to wish our Aussie friends some lovely early fall weather! Take good care, everyone! Donna ;-} :grouphug:

*Violet*
03-23-2008, 02:47 AM
i've been thoroughly enjoying following this thread and gleaning so much information whilst seeing what has been painted or what is in the process of being painted and reading all the contributions to it ... :thumbsup: everyone !! ... and then i thought that i've not posted information about the pan pastel paintings i've done so far ... i've gotten myself involved on another project that's keeping me from getting to my pans again and perhaps sharing my pieces and becoming part of this fabulous thread might help get me back with 'em again ... my first painting was *path north of superior* http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=464700&highlight=path+north which i posted in december and perhaps sent it off too quick to pan pastel's site because i got a lot of good advice on how to improve it but i couldn't feel i could make any changes until hearing back from pan pastel and it turned out they accepted it for inclusion in their gallery on their site so then i felt i shouldn't alter it and it remains as i submitted it in it's thread ... then i painted *blue boy - after gainsborough* http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=470480 and *pinkie - after thomas lawrence* http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=472159 with my pans ... or rather mostly with them, as i used some pastel pencils for detail work on them ... i want to get back to the pans but haven't a clue what i'd like to paint with 'em next ... i seem to run hot and cold with painting spurts .... i've revamped my studio around an acrylic project but this thread makes me want to get back to the pans so much ... to everyone posting their work on here i must say you are all inspiring ... keep up the good work and keep the wonderful informational contributions to this thread coming !! ... and happy easter, everyone !!

Donna A
03-23-2008, 03:34 PM
Hi, Violet!!! So good to hear from you!!! Thanks so much for sharing the links! Love your landscape!---and your copies of Pinkie and Blue Boy are amazing! :clap: You have really gotten the hang of these PanP sweethearts! Very painterly. It is interesting how surprised many are about what fine strokes can be made with these, as shown in your landscape! I've used the Pans for my fine lines and accents, rather than hauling out my pastel pencils, but it's so great that the pastel pencils play so wonderfully with the Pans, as well! It's marvelous that we have so many options to do all the things we might imagine!

I hope you find something to excite you to paint with your Pan Pastels again really soon! You use them so beautifully! If not something grand like these pieces in your links, perhaps before long you might find some little experiment to simply 'play' with. Fussin' around a little. Scootching some color around. :) But---I dunno---looks like you enjoy the grander works! Look forward to whatever you can share! Take good care! Donna ;-}

Willemke
03-23-2008, 04:06 PM
Donna...... all the paintings are coming along so nicely, thank you for showing the paintings in progress, we can learn a lot by you showing us all the different steps.

Doug.... Hope you get your recliner fixed soon, I know how much you love to sit in it and do your paintings.

Peggy.... Ouch, sounds painful! Hope your back gets better soon!

Judith... thank you for your nice comments, hope your hubby is feeling much better.

blissfullyunaware....welcome to this thread, I am sure you will enjoy reading and looking at all the wonderful info that we all have to share, Donna has done a wonderful job.

Voilet.... I looked at your paintings, you have done some amazing work.

*Violet*
03-23-2008, 04:31 PM
thank you donna and willemke for the kind words ... i look forward to sharing more panpastel works here and will continue to follow this fabulous thread to see others' works and to learn from everyone's experiences ... :)

Dougwas
03-23-2008, 04:36 PM
Hi Violet:wave:

What took you so long to get here?:p I remember these paintings when you first painted them and after a second look they still look just as fresh. I hope you get those pans out and start another one soon and join us. It's a fun group and we are learning so much.

Congratulations on having your paintings on the PanP website.:thumbsup: Hope to see you here soon.


Doug

*Violet*
03-23-2008, 10:15 PM
thank you doug ... and i was asking myself the same question !! ... i think i hesitated posting my efforts here because i had initially posted them elsewhere ... and then the more i thought about it, the more i felt that perhaps they hadn't been seen there and they should be included here ... and yes, you all are a fun group and i will surely post my next pan pics here when done ... :):)

Donna A
03-23-2008, 10:54 PM
thank you doug ... and i was asking myself the same question !! ... i think i hesitated posting my efforts here because i had initially posted them elsewhere ... and then the more i thought about it, the more i felt that perhaps they hadn't been seen there and they should be included here ... and yes, you all are a fun group and i will surely post my next pan pics here when done ... :):)

Right on, Violet! We are definitely a "more the merrier" group! And celebrate everyone! And thank you, Doug, for inspiring Violet further! Yea! :clap: I think a lot of artists check in here to see what has been created with the PanP's and so seems to work to post here AND in the Gallery section, etc, too!

It's wonderful to be able to see the variety that each artist achieves! Their own personality, experience and vision expressed and then shared! Very exciting and wonderful! Looking forward to more of your PanP paintings, Violet! et al!!! Take good care! Donna ;-}

Willemke
03-24-2008, 02:57 PM
I finally finished my "Loon", had a bit of trouble with it in the beginning with the velour board and the pan pastels. I started out with a layer of pan pastels after doing the sketch with pastel pencil, I usually like the feel of the pan pastels on the colorfix, but this wasn't working out to well for me with the velour board. Everytime I would use the large sponges for the background, it would leave large streaks, I thought maybe I would put a layer of the unison pastel to get rid of the streaks which worked. I then proceeded with the loon using a layer of the unison pastel, it seemed after I put a layer of unison pastel on the velour board it made my pan pastels go on much smoother. This "Loon" is done on 13/14" x 18 1/2" velour board (med. green). I used 25 % unison pastel and probably 75% pan pastels. C & C welcome, thank you for looking :) .

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Mar-2008/128486-LoonTN.jpg

artinwc
03-24-2008, 03:17 PM
Hi Violet - And welcome back! I think you probably were absent from the forum around the time I started visiting it, so I guess we just missed. I do really like your paintings in the PanPastel gallery. Your trees are lovely and you seem to have a special relationship with the PanPs!

Hi Willemke - And I love the loon!!!:thumbsup: You have captured the "slick" wet look on his body, but the water just blows me away! It has such depth (no pun intended) and I love the dark suggestions of the loon's feet below the water's surface. I think you did a great job!!!:clap: :clap: :clap:

Judith

*Violet*
03-24-2008, 03:31 PM
hi judith ... :wave: ... thank you very much for the lovely compliments !! ... i'll see yas more here for sure ...

love that loon too, willemke !! ... excellent job !! ... :thumbsup:

Dougwas
03-24-2008, 04:10 PM
Willemke, great job on the loon. The water looks fantatic. It could be a loon on a lake anywhere in Canada. I really like the sheen on his/her head. I think I will leave the velour alone for now, but thanks for the report on it.

Doug

Willemke
03-24-2008, 06:56 PM
Judith, Violet and Doug.... thank you for all your nice comments, I wasn't even going to post this Loon, but now I am glad I did, you all make my day worthwhile, thank you :)

Rusla
03-24-2008, 08:28 PM
Willie, that is the loon we all love and adore and see it turned out great.
Unfortunately my going back to work has interferred with everything this weekend. Painting, gym, food, everything.

Donna A
03-25-2008, 12:47 AM
Hi, Willemke! I'm with the rest of the gang! Wonderful painting of the loon! Was really interesting to read about your steps through the painting. It just turned out so beautifully! yea! :clap: And I think we are all sooo glad you shared your Loon---and do keep 'em coming! So lovely!

I took a photo of Bev's Roman statue painting today, both at the beginning of class and at the end. Will upload tomorrow. Laura Lee worked more on her geraniums, but did not get that photoed since she had just started working on the connecting stems to the flowers overlapping the brick wall---and otherwise, not big differences you'd see. And Mary Kay started today for the first time on one of her photos that she took in Venice when she and Bev were there earlier this year. Geee---a few minutes run through with her showing her a few tips using them---and she was off like a shot! Wow! And---no--didn't get that photoed, either---but next week. The row of buildings we see---pale, pale yellow and another in rich, deep yellow---with white woodwork and turquoise shutters with wrought-iron balconies---has a shadow cast upon it from the building across the small canal---and perhaps taken from an upper floor. So far, really sooo good.

And after a rest, I had my first "big outting!"---to the post office and the grocery store! I know---wild living! :-) Well, the cats would not have let me back in the house without their favorite cat food! :rolleyes: Or should I say: :cat: :cat:

The postmistress told me a chilling story that a friend of hers who taught school had gone home sick recently and didn't show up the next day, nor had they heard from her---so called the police for a wellness check---and she had died from complications from the flu. Yikes! Just like THAT! And one of the postmasters had gone home early one day, too, a couple of weeks ago---and ended up in the hospital the next day---and so much damage from coughing and other related flu things that, she said, they had to give him a pace-maker. Goodness. Heartbreaking stories, but I do feel far more fortunate now! So---don't anyone take things quite as much for granted with "a touch of flu" as we might have other times. At best, it can really cut into your painting time!!!

Take good care, everyone! And hope we all find more time to PAINT!!! :) Donna ;-}

Dougwas
03-25-2008, 02:29 AM
Hi Donna

I am looking forward to the photos. I have a question for you. When are we going to see a painting of yours? Have you found any time to paint or are you still not feeling up to it? I really enjoy looking at your paintings and seeing what magic you come up with.

I started a bigger than life size painting yesterday and worked on it a bit today. It's another fruit painting but this time from life. It seems way better working on a bigger scale. I get to use way more tools. When I finish it in the next day or two, I will post it.

I hope to see a painting soon. Take care.


Doug

artinwc
03-25-2008, 08:13 AM
Hi Everyone! I am happy to report that hubby is almost fully recovered from the flu. The doc called yesterday and told him the tests showed he did not have mono (had had it sometime in the past as the mono antivirus was in his system), but had had the flu. He goes back today for his check-back appointment and hopefully the news will be good!

I started a pottery painting this past weekend. I collect Mexican pottery (mostly the cheap stuff) and more than once, I've hauled it all out onto the deck table to arrange and make lots of photos and sketches. The watercolor painting I have that will be in the WSA national show in a couple weeks is from the same group of pots. I just love painting these wonderfully shaped pots with all their different textures. I'm also re-working the pastel I did of the covered bridge a couple weeks ago. I decided to make it springtime instead of fall, so I washed off a bunch of color (what was sealed by the working fixative didn't come off), have put a clear coat of AS clear primer on it and will continue. I wasn't really all that fond of the original surface, which was Claybord. I've just gotten so spoiled to AS paper and primers.

That is a really chilling story, Donna! :eek: I do know this flu isn't something to mess around with and I guess keeping oneself as healthy as possible is as good a measure as we can take, which won't actually prevent the flu, but maybe a strong and healthy immune system will weather the flu a bit better. We are all soooooooooo thankful that you are on the road (even though it may seem a "long and winding road") to recovery! Congratulations on your first outing! Maybe some nice spring weather will come along to help things out.

We're all looking forward to the photos too. :) Photos, photos...we're always wanting to see more photos! :D

Doug - Speaking of photos, I'll be looking forward to seeing how you are progressing on the larger than life fruit! How are you working things out without your recliner? Hopefully, it will be back in working order very soon!

Ranid-Lee - I'm so sorry your time is being taken away by your going back to work. Having recently retired from the "formal" workforce, I feel so fortunate to be a full-time artist. I remember how fast and furious the weekends were, trying to paint, cook (I love to cook), do laundry, housework, etc...all in three days. I was working four 10-hour days so that I could have one weekend day just for painting. I hope your weekends and maybe evenings, too, can give you some free time to play. I have never been much of a night-time painter, but I understand that's when lots of folks are at their best.

Please stay well...all!
Judith

Willemke
03-25-2008, 04:35 PM
Donna...Thankyou for your nice comment. I am happy that you are feeling much better, and I am sure your cats :cat: :cat: are to. And that flu story, very sad story, how someone can pass away so quickly from the flu, scary! Looking forward to the photo's.

Randi-lee...Thankyou also for your nice comment. I'm sure you we not looking forward to going back to work, some of us do :) and some of us don't:eek: . See you in class next Monday.

Doug...Looking forward to your painting! I know when I started painting larger then scale, I totally was blown away how much simplier it was to paint, and yes getting to use so many different tools can be fun.

Judith....Very happy your hubby is getting better. I am looking forward to see what you've done with the covered bridge painting. I would also love to see some of your pottery paintings. Keep up the good work girl :thumbsup: .

Shirl Parker
03-25-2008, 06:06 PM
Here's a link to a free download of Deborah Secor's Pan Pastel article in the Pastel Journal:

http://www.artistsnetwork.com/upload/images/PanPastels.pdf

PeggyB
03-25-2008, 06:35 PM
Wille your loon is very good. I expecially like the movement of the water. It looks so ummm - well, wet! :clap:

Judith I'm glad your husband is feeling better. After hearing all the details of how long Donna has had to deal with it, and then her added horror stories I think this is not a year to let flu symptoms get out of hand!

Donna - Yipee! A trip to the store! :lol: :cat: :cat: Honestly, I am glad you're finally getting so much better. I'm sure you'll remember to take it easy still until all of your strength has returned.

I'm feeling better too since the chiropractic adjustments. Even my students today commented that I seemed to be moving more easily. I received the cd with their images so will post some of them in a new thread as they aren't pan pastel paintings.

Stay well Everyone. :)

Peggy

Donna A
03-25-2008, 11:27 PM
Hi, Peggy! Folks at the MAPS meeting asked about you this evening! They said to say HI! And nice little bit about your visit to the meeting last month in the reading of the minutes! Awww. :clap: I was glad to make my second outting this evening to the meeting, but rested allll day. Ahhhh! :) Peggy, glad you are doing betterrrr! :)

Judith started a thread here on Talk about setting up still lifes---something I've been asked to comment on a lot over the years---so I wrote a good little bit about that for those who might be interested in the subject.

Tomorrow Susan will work on her new landscape that you saw here recently in it's first stages. More images soon, I promise. I've been quite remiss! Plan to take up painting again soon, too! They say it's wonderfully good fun! :D Take good care, everyone! Stay well! or get that way!!! Donna ;-}

Dougwas
03-26-2008, 12:38 AM
Hi Donna

Great to hear you are out and about!! Save up some energy so you can try painting. I think you will like it. It is fun. :D

That is a great thread Judith started and as usual it was a terrific indepth response by you. The thread is very informative and even if one doesn't paint still lifes, there is lots of valuable information there.

Peggy, glad to hear you are on the mend. Have you done any more on the pan painting you started at Donna's? If you have, we would love to see it.

Take care all.


Doug

PeggyB
03-26-2008, 01:57 AM
Peggy, glad to hear you are on the mend. Have you done any more on the pan painting you started at Donna's? If you have, we would love to see it.

Take care all.


Doug

Doug, thanks for the well wishes. As I'm certain you can appreciate, I really didn't feel up to painting everysince returning from Kansas and Donna's marvelous workshop until just about today. I was so glad to be able to get through my whole class without hurting too much! :) I still have several treatments to get through, and part of it is swimming 3 times a week so it seems I don't have many hours a day to paint. However, I'm hoping to get back to the piece I started in Kansas sometime this week. I really should just bring everything to the family room and sit around in here to finish it - take a chapter from your painting book.... :D

Peggy

Dougwas
03-26-2008, 02:53 PM
Well, I have had enough of this painting. I just couldn't get the fabric.:mad: I wanted to see if I could paint the subtle change in colour between the grapefruit and the orange. This was painted from life on 12 x 9 Belgin Mist Wallis paper.

I'll just chalk this one up for experience and move on to the next painting.

Thanks for looking.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Mar-2008/102199-Grapefruit_and_Orange.jpg




Doug

artinwc
03-26-2008, 07:42 PM
Doug - I can't really comment on the fabric, as I have never attempted fabric either. But to me, it has a "crushed velvet" look that I find appealing. I also like the way you have subtle color changes in the background on the left side. I also love the colors you've chosen! And I think you really did a great job with your subtle shading on the fruit...highlights and all! I think I would feel good about that painting if it were mine.

Judith

LoveFaces
03-26-2008, 08:07 PM
:clap: Really beautiful job, Donna. You put so much work into this post I feel like I'm reading a magazine article. These pans are quite fun, aren't they? I have 10 pans and I've really enjoyed them in final glazes in portraits. It gives a nice, ethereal quality.

Willemke
03-26-2008, 10:11 PM
Doug.... I agree with Judith, I can not comment on the fabric either, as I have never done fabric, and it does have a rich velvety look to it. Also I think you captured the orange and grapefruit quite well, I like the rich colors, texture and highlights that you have given to each piece, you also captured the folds in the fabric quite nicely.
Well done doug.:thumbsup:

Judith... not sure where your article is on still life?, I would love to read it, do you have a link?

Peggy.... Thankyou for your nice comment on my Loon, and I am happy to hear you are on the mend with your back.

Dougwas
03-26-2008, 10:52 PM
Thanks for your comments Judith and Willemke. I guess I'm hard on myself about painting fabric, and I shouldn't be. I have to keep telling myself that I am still learning so it's not going to be perfect. I am happy with the grapefruit and orange. It was amazing how many layers of different colours I could apply.

Donna, I am now planning a little still life with the new info on lighting that you provided in the other thread. I did an experiment with a dark blue mug. On the left front was a window with east afternoon light and to the right was a warm directional lamp. The cool window light caused a warm yellow shadow and the warm lamp made a cool blue shadow. And the mug was almost black on the window side and way lighter on the lamp side. I can't wait to get going on it tomorrow. I am seeing shadows way differently now. I had to drag my wife and daughters into my studio to show them.:lol: :lol: :lol: Oh well, They all think I'm weird anyway.:D


Doug

Donna A
03-26-2008, 11:29 PM
Well, I have had enough of this painting. I just couldn't get the fabric.:mad: I wanted to see if I could paint the subtle change in colour between the grapefruit and the orange. This was painted from life on 12 x 9 Belgin Mist Wallis paper.

I'll just chalk this one up for experience and move on to the next painting.

Thanks for looking.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Mar-2008/102199-Grapefruit_and_Orange.jpg

Doug

Hi, Doug! Fabric is definitely a challenge. Ohhhh, yeah! It is all about Planes---and then seeing the varying temperatures-within-the-hue, the values and the intensities of the hue of the fabric. It will come. It's still such an issue for so many artists, so don't fret!

If it is possible, try the Experiment with Yellow Fabric---which I'll upload. It's allll about seeing color---in fabric---that's about the color of either your lovely grapefruit OR orange. Just a good, rich warm yellow, as opposed to a lemon or cadmium yellow type of yellow. The lighting is soooo important in seeing the color! (Some things I went into in Judith's thread on setting up and lighting still lifes.

Your fruit looks good----yea! and there are some lovely areas in the blues, too---but the whites do come off simply as lines rather than as any forms. So just something to ponder as you prepare for the next adventure!

And cool that you managed to be able to set up something IRL and paint from life! Cool! I don't know if you can sense it from your viewpoint, but your works just keep getting stronger all the time. I think sometimes we end up focusing so hard on what we are a bit (or a LOT) frustrated with that sometimes we don't even dare imagine that other things are getting stronger. Think we often take those positive growth aspects for granted just because they become part of us so nicely! Soooo----just something else to ponder! Oh--by the way---I really do enjoy your fruit textures which are varied and appropriate ---and the variety in your blues which range wonderfully AND subtly from warm to cool, and have their own textures. And---this DOES kinda make a striking abstract/representational piece. Now---I DO think that what counts for ourselves personally is what we INTENDED, so yes---you have grounds for some disappointment---but on the other hand, do appreciate that other aspect of it and do see and enjoy the strengths that you achieved. I do love the way the white lines vary in their widths---and the way they flow in relationship to the fruits. As I KEEP looking at the painting, I realize how very much I enjoy the flow---and how much I appreciate visually the upper left and lower right corners in relationship to their opposites. DO KNOW that there are qualities in your intuitive that are soaring. The sense of balance, the energy, the variety---you are hugely winning! You need to know that! And recognize that! Those are CORE qualities that are prerequisites of truly fine art. Now---that's a pretty great base to build on. Yes---lots of additional fascinating things to strengthen, learn more about---great growing!

Yes---thank this little painting for all you learned from it and do as you mentioned! Looking forward to seeing your next piece. Yea!!! Take good care!!! Donna ;-}

Donna A
03-26-2008, 11:58 PM
[QUOTE=Dougwas]Thanks for your comments Judith and Willemke. I guess I'm hard on myself about painting fabric, and I shouldn't be. I have to keep telling myself that I am still learning so it's not going to be perfect. I am happy with the grapefruit and orange. It was amazing how many layers of different colours I could apply.

Donna, I am now planning a little still life with the new info on lighting that you provided in the other thread. I did an experiment with a dark blue mug. On the left front was a window with east afternoon light and to the right was a warm directional lamp. The cool window light caused a warm yellow shadow and the warm lamp made a cool blue shadow. And the mug was almost black on the window side and way lighter on the lamp side. I can't wait to get going on it tomorrow. I am seeing shadows way differently now. I had to drag my wife and daughters into my studio to show them.:lol: :lol: :lol: Oh well, They all think I'm weird anyway.:D

Well, Doug, you wild man! I can hardly keep up with you! :D I am sooooooo excited by what you have set up---and are SEEING!!! WOW!!! :clap: :clap: :clap:

And how cool that you dragged all your ladies in to see!!! We won't debate the 'weird' bit---:rolleyes: ---(look at the people you hang out with!!!)---but the great thing is that you are also going to help them see the world more deliciously! So many more color qualities that exist and are so easy to miss when our eyes have not been 'tuned!!!' That is so wonderful. Do you realize---your daughters will grow up in a world with even more gorgeousness and wonder than any of us probably did. What a gift! Keep 'dragging' them in to see wonderful color revelations! You are also coloring their lives!!!

I LOVE hearing artists tell me that once they've started seeing colors in ways they never had before, that their world has become so much more exciting and beautiful and full of wonder---and that they SEE paintings everywhere! Ahhh!

Well---really looking forward to your new mug painting! And---something I do is Look a LOT, Paint a LITTLE. Look a LOT, Paint a LITTLE. (And I paint faster than most folks.) So---your looking will never be a waste of time! And, as I say to folks in classes or workshops---treat that looking with the say joyfull savoring as you would for anything else you would be savoring---like the arrival of your very favorite meal in a fine restaurant, once you had ordered (or---here---decided what you were going to paint!) Very best wishes! Donna ;-}

Donna A
03-27-2008, 12:22 AM
:clap: Really beautiful job, Donna. You put so much work into this post I feel like I'm reading a magazine article. These pans are quite fun, aren't they? I have 10 pans and I've really enjoyed them in final glazes in portraits. It gives a nice, ethereal quality.

Hi, Nina! So glad to hear from you! Thank you! I really enjoyed visiting your web site. Some very lovely and striking portraits! Glad you are enjoying the PanP's, too! I've loved doing full portraits with them---and yes, they can do such wonderful glazes, which is rather a new addition to pastel painting, where before, all we could hope for was scumbling on opaques. Ethereal is a very good term!

Do hope you share some of your paintings with us. We've really enjoyed seeing what all we've been able to do with these wonders! Take good care! Donna ;-}

LoveFaces
03-27-2008, 07:33 PM
:D Thank you so much Donna! I will be posting something new soon. I'm doing two different pictures right now, one oil and the other a pastel. The pastel is a landscape, my first :eek: ack! And it is so different that portraits...it's been a learning experience that's for sure. But I have used the Pans for much of it. Maybe I should take a wip picture?

Dougwas
03-27-2008, 10:10 PM
Nina- Welcome to WC and the Pan thread. I visited your web site. Wow!! Your paintings are beautiful. I am looking forward to seeing what you can do with the pans. Good luck on your landscape and please post a WIP photo. We love photos here. Just ask Donna.:D

Donna- I did the yellow fabric exercise today and I saw COLOURS.:thumbsup: I am now going to use the yellow fabric in my still life. :eek: More fabric?:o

Thanks for the encouraging words on my painting. I do feel I am improving and I learn something from every painting I do. I have learned more in this thread in the last 3 months than I have in the past year and a half. I thank you and everybody who has participated in this thread.

Anyone who hasn't tried the yellow fabric exercise should try it. It is amazing the colours you see. I found it to be a real eye opener.

Doug

LoveFaces
03-27-2008, 10:35 PM
Doug-Thank you so much :D

I will post a wip of the landscape as soon as I get a chance. I have to wait for some sunlight to do it..right now it's 10:30 p.m. and I hate how a built in flash makes my pictures look. I'm also a lousy photographer lol...I'm sure in the right hands they could get a proper picture any time of day or night.

Fabric is fun!! I love doing fabric...it's a challenge but so satisfying when it comes out right!

Donna A
03-27-2008, 11:16 PM
Hi, Nina! WIPs are always great to see. Think everyone gets good ideas seeing the process others use. :thumbsup:

And tomorrow, everyone, I will hopefully have the energy to crop and share photos from class. Some yummy things. :)

Ohhhh, Doug! It's thrilling that you've learned so much from this thread! Wow! And it's showing! :clap: :clap: :clap:

How wonderful that you jumped into the Yellow Fabric Experiment and did indeed SEE colors! Marvelous! Congratulations! This is going to change things a lot for you. Now---you will continue to keep seeing more and more!

I remember THE day I first really SAW color! :heart: Goodness! It was a Monday evening in an open painting session back---gee, almost 40 years ago. I still remember the experience---the model who was sitting for us, the painting I did---a 3'x4' panel of masonite, using oil---and I could hardly move my arm fast enough to mix paint, lay it on, mix more, lay it on! Goodness. It was amazing. Don't know if I even talked to anyone else in the room that evening while we were painting. It's such an exciting experience for anyone. I remember the first person in classes forever ago SEEING color their first time. Lorraine (about 35 years ago) was working madly/passionately as though she was in a trance. The rest of us just didn't even bother her. We knew something was happening. She talked about it later and it was very much the same kind of experience I had.

Others learning to really SEE color have had color come to them little by little---constant discoveries, building understandings and new vision as those that have it hit in 'chunks.' Doesn't matter how it comes---as long as it does! And it DOES take LOOKING and real consideration, paying attention to relationships, comparing and experimenting with expressing the colors seen. Expect some joy! Expect some frustration! And then lots more joy! Have fun, everyone! Donna ;-}

artinwc
03-28-2008, 12:46 PM
Nina - Welcome to WC :) and especially to this thread! I'm glad you mentioned taking WIP photos, as that's exactly what I've decided to do with one I'm working on. I hope to see some of yours soon also. Your website has some beautiful work!!!

Doug and Donna - Because of you two, now I have to go out and buy a piece of yellow fabric! :D Doug has gotten me curious about the process and results.

Willemke - Glad you found the thread on the still life setup. I'm eager to give it a try and have been walking around inside the house looking for shapes. :lol:

I'm posting my most recent WIP and it's NOT finished, so I would appreciate feedback, as I plan to use this as one of my pastels to pass the standards committee for our local art league. I already exhibit there in watercolors and mixed media, but each medium has to pass standards...so that's what I'm up to. I'm also including the watercolor underpainting on watercolor paper covered with AS primer. The pottery pieces are some I've collected over the years and I'm very attached to each piece. Size is 13 x 18 and is all pans so far. I may dig into the AS warm white set for some highlights, but will likely spray with fixative before doing that.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Mar-2008/50515-pots_wc_small.jpg
The very dull and drab underpainting.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Mar-2008/50515-pots_small.jpg
The 3/4 finished painting.

Thanks,
Judith

Dougwas
03-28-2008, 01:37 PM
Judith- This is looking fantastic!!:thumbsup: I love the interesting shadows and how the pots glow where the sun hits them. Good use of warm and cool colours. Thanks for posting the underpainting. I now see my problem with watercolour underpainting. I was applying too thick of a coat. I see how you just use a wash. Well, something else to try again.:D

Your yellow fabric purchase will be well worth it. I keep going into my studio at different times of the day to see what colours are in the fabric. I am waiting until about 1:30 pm PDT to start my still life. I hate waiting!

Can't wait to see your finished painting.


Doug

*Violet*
03-28-2008, 03:47 PM
love what you have so far, judith !! ... can't wait to see what you feel it needs yet !! ...

must look into that info about yellow cloth ... can anyone point me to the thread or post # for it? ... i don't recall having seen it ...

Dougwas
03-28-2008, 04:08 PM
Hi Violet

The PDF file for the yellow fabric experiment is at the bottom of post #888 in this thread.


Doug

artinwc
03-28-2008, 04:10 PM
Doug and Violet - Thanks so much! I'm thinking it seems a bit dark and I think I need to put more warm color where the sun is hitting the pots.

Violet - The post about the yellow cloth is just a few posts before this one, #888 of Donna's. The info about the yellow cloth is a .pdf file attached at the bottom of the post.

Thanks,:wave:
Judith

*Violet*
03-28-2008, 04:23 PM
:o ... *blush* ... how did i miss that?? ... musta been skimming to quickly ... must take more time ... so many posts tho and so little time .... many thx, judith for pointing me to it ... i've printed it off and will investigate further ... gotta love this place and all the helpful, informative, and talented people in it !! ... :heart:

*Violet*
03-28-2008, 04:34 PM
edit ... double post ... :o

LoveFaces
03-28-2008, 05:20 PM
Judith Thank you for the welcome and for checking out my artwork :) I love your wip so far, I'm looking forward to seeing it finished. Have you ever tried a complimentary underpainting? If you're using a watercolor or very very thin acrylic wash, painting the objects in their compliments, then applying your pastel layers over than can really make your colors pop. You might find you love it (or you've already tried that and hated it lol). Also, I have a question. Since this is a wip I can't tell if your pottery is shiny or not yet. Is it shiny or is it more of a matte glaze? If it's going to be shiny you want to pull colors from surrounding pieces in to each other for reflections and also really smooth the colors out (but still have crisp lines where refections are), but if they're matte just keep doing what you're doing :D

I'm hoping to have the energy to do my wip picture tomorrow. I have ms and Thursday night I take an immune suppressant shot, so Thursday night and all day Friday I sit around with a fever and all the aches that go with it. It's a pain and it makes me pretty useless on Fridays hehe. Usually by Saturday I'm back to normal, at worst Sunday. So if it seems like I'm slacking, I'm not. I'm just waiting for my brain to stop cooking :lol:

artinwc
03-28-2008, 05:40 PM
Nina - Thanks for your input and suggestions. I have done a couple complementary underpaintings (very new at pastels!) but in this case, I decided to go with similar color families. The pieces are all very matte and opaque-looking, although there is a bit of a glaze on the back right piece. So the only "shine" is from the sun's light. There is, however, a brass ring on the pot that is in the right front, which might put a little zing in it. Haven't gotten that in yet.

I'm so sorry you're not feeling so well today. It sounds like Fridays are full of flu-like symptoms. Not fun! I hope you'll be feeling back to normal tomorrow and can do your WIP. There's no pressure in this forum so if you're not active for a day or so, no one is going to think you've forgotton us or "dropped the ball". We will express our concern, but without any "strings". I'm glad you've joined us!:)

Judith

PeggyB
03-28-2008, 07:00 PM
Doug, I'm definately late in the "game" in commenting on your ornge and grapefruit, but I agree with others. This painting has some very positive and well rendered aspects to it that you might not have appreciated at the time you finished it. Others have stated those qualities already so I won't repeat them here, but I just wnated you to know I'm really pleased for you in the progress you've made in such a short time. :clap:

Judith, I'm really liking your pottery piece. I even like the "dull and drab" underpainting for the abstract qualities it has. :) I know you are still working on it, and I can't see it too clearly, but I have some questions. Does the elipse on the bottom of the big blue vase in the center match the elipse on the rim? To me, the bottom elipse looks a bit flat. Also, the platter in the background is circular in the underpainting, but looks oval now. I suspect these are all hand made pottery, and irregularities are to be expected. I'm looking forward to seeing the finished painting.

Ice on the back time....

Peggy

Dougwas
03-28-2008, 07:56 PM
Peggy- Thanks for your kind words. I am happy with my progress and as I said before, I am learning so much here. I am working on a coffee mug and clock on fabric painting right now and I am doing it from life.:D I am determined to leard how to paint fabric.:envy:

Make sure that ice goes on your back and not in a glass with rum and coke.:eek: :lol: :eek: :lol: :eek:


Doug:wave:

Donna A
03-28-2008, 09:17 PM
Hi, Judith! This painting is looking marvelous already! Wow! In fact, from here---it looks like a finished piece---but I understand how it can look that way to us, but you still know the other things in your vision!
The surface of each pot is so "old, mellow" rich and varied---each looks very personal and unique---and your lighting is striking from the angle you've chosen---and seems to be a mellower warm light that certainly carries the "old treasure feel"! And this does have SUCH a sense of treasure and intimacy in the concept and composition. Love looking at it! The "spoked' pattern on the piece in the upper right is sooo well seen---and carried out! Each ridge is so individual with such interesting constant variations, subtle to bolder.

I'm excited to see either your next stage---or your final, which ever comes first! Thank you for sharing! Donna ;-}

Doug, how smart of you to go in to look at the yellow fabric set up at different times of day! YES! That is a fascinating learning experience all by itself and I am soooo glad you thought of doing that and then mentioning it! YES!

Hi, Violet! I began by saying 'I'll upload the "Yellow Fabric Experiment" pdf file again'----but happened to look back now that I'm home again and finishing the half-done post---and see our friends have done a great job of directing you to it---and you all are way ahead of me! :D

I was happily surprised to see so many more posts! Hi, Peggy! Some great questions about the ovals. As you noted, these being hand-mades are most likely irregular, but it's always nice to double check. I was focused on other things and looking back, yet again, they do seem pretty "hand-made natural" but it's such a good lesson from Peggy to just always always double-check the ovals in any painting with objects like this.

I think you're OK here, Judith. And I see you are thinking about stepping up the warmth of the light---as part of your vision for the painting. That will be very lovely, too. A somewhat different mood--- and both will work! It needs to end up filling the vision you have for the painting.

Oh, Nina! Goodness! We will have great patience while you make it through your Thursday nights and Fridays---and hope you are back to your sassy self on all your Saturdays! My older sister had ms back in the 50's to mid-60's when no one knew what it was for a long time---and then very little. Bless your heart! I'm so glad to know there are things that will help overall, albeit leaving you with regular rough spots!!! Many well wishes to you!!! We have several artists here who have their health challenges and I think we rather buck each other up that way while cheering each other on with our art, as well! So we look forward to seeing your latest when it works for you!

And Doug---c'mon! Ice. Do ya really see Peggy as a one-or-the-other-kinda-girl??? She's got a LOT of gusto! :-)

Ya'all take good care! And maybe it will be manana before I get new Fani-Bev-Susan-and-so-forth paintings uploaded. Trip back to the doctors this afternoon (still on the wimpy side.) Antibiotics now in case there is some sinus infection, too---but------ARGH---she said to expect another two weeks. Yikes! Dang! etc. Well--I'm going to enjoy being basically worthless this weekend! :-) She said REST! Well--you can tell by the new bowl-shape in my mattress that I've been complying with THAT suggestion! :D Donna ;-}

artinwc
03-29-2008, 08:48 AM
Thank you Everyone for your input on the painting.

Peggy - I appreciate your comments about the elliptical effects on the blue pot. The top ellipse is actually a little flatter than I painted it, but I also hadn't put in the shadows on the lip of the pot at the time I photographed it. I have straightened it as much as it looks like it should be. The "platter" in the back is actually a vase in which I hadn't put in the neck, as I didn't want too many straight lines going off the top of the painting. I did decide to put in the upper neck of the vase, but have let it fade a bit on the left.

Donna - Thank you for your sensitivity to my vision of the painting. I am working on warming up the highlights a bit and there is enough cool whites in the pottery pieces themselves. My focus is first on texture, and then on color. I clearly remember the day last summer when Bob and I carried all the pieces (I have a lot more that are not in this painting) outside and placed them on our patio table. It was a hot day, and I remember touching the pots as I moved them and feeling how warm the sun had made them. I may even call the painting "Baked In The Sun". For some reason, these simple (and very inexpensive) pots have found a place in my heart.

I'll post the finished version (I hope) over the weekend. Thanks again for looking and sharing your thoughts.:wave:

Judith

LoveFaces
03-29-2008, 11:07 AM
Judith Thank you :). I figured from they way they were looking that they were a matte pottery but I was just checking in case they weren't. For matte, they look just right :clap: It's already a lovely still life. The fact that you're doing more, I bet it's going to be brilliant.

Donna lol yep. Thursday nights and all day Friday I'm pretty useless (though I can type...that's about it). Your poor sister had it when there was no treatment at all. That's such a shame. These shots have only been available for about 10 years...not all that long ago really. They suppress the immune system (as you know I'm sure, ms is autoimmune disease) and it gives a 33% chance of no new brain lesions in a year. Not great odds but a lot better than none...and you read about the downside already-the side effects. I know some people who hate the side effects so much they don't take the shots. They think it's not worth it. I can understand, but to me a 1 in 3 chance is a lot better than zero. The only problem I have related to art is my hands don't always listen to me. But everything I have posted here or on my site I did after the ms. I just learned to work around it (hand stabilizers are my friend :lol:) otherwise it would look like a kid's drawing.

PeggyB
03-29-2008, 12:41 PM
Doug - oh darn! Do I have to make that choice of where to place the ice? OH darn! Well in that case I'll put the ice on my back - and a glass of wine in my hand! :evil: On another note: Good on ya guy for working from life and being determined to learn to paint fabric. I believe once you get used to the idea, working from life on anything is much more satisfactory both in ease of "seeing", and the finished product. Having said that, I also know that working landscapes from life isn't always practical or even possible (I do live in the Pacific NorthWET, you know... :lol: :lol: :lol: )

Nina, please excuse my belated welcome. I'm not spending as much time on the computer lately because sitting here isn't good for a back with degenerative joint and disc disease. Your portraits are lovely. I'm especially drawn to the one you titled "Miss S" - the facial expression and tilt of her head go together so well! :) I'm sorry to hear you have ms. My maternal grandmother and aunt both had it - way before much was known about it at all. Would you believe my great-grandmother blamed my mother's birth for giving her daughter that awful disease?! :eek: I hope you are feeling better today, and that you are among the 30% who are successful in the treatment.

It snowed here last night, and there may be more today - guess I'd best get out and get some things just to be prepared. "They" say next week will be sunny, and I sure hope so. My daughter who lives in Oklahoma arrives Tuesday for a two week visit, and there's so much we want to do! :)

Peggy

LoveFaces
03-29-2008, 01:25 PM
Peggy- Thank you for the welcome. I'm so glad you like my portraits. (Miss S is one of my favorites too) I love faces (bet you couldn't have guessed :lol:). I'm actually working on my very first landscape...with pans no less! It's interesting and I'm not nearly as good with landscapes as portraits. I know I've heard some people say portraits are the most difficult. Bollocks! It's whatever you know and are comfortable with that is easy, the rest is a challenge, regardless of subject.

I hope I'm in that 33% too, but life is life. Either way, I think I have a pretty good life and I am happy. :) I don't think about it much at all unless it's "shot day". Then I'm miserable. But the day to day ms symptoms are just part of my life so I don't let them bother me. My husband calls me "Grace" and "gimp". To us, it's better to make fun of it than make it taboo or to be scared and upset everytime I fall down or drop a brush. (though I did cry when I dropped a $25.00 Roche pastel. THAT hurt. Those pastels are sooo expensive. Each stick is a small fortune). But it's funny how much a person can adapt to with acceptance. I'm sorry to hear about your back. That's a very painful condition. My father has it and he really suffers from it. Regarding your great-grandmother- I would believe it. It was such a different time back then. Your poor mother though, getting blamed like that. I hope she wasn't mean to her because of it.

Those dreaded "theys". Who do "they" think "they" are? :lol:

Dougwas
03-29-2008, 02:01 PM
Peggy- Wine in this house is known as liquid pain killer.:lol: When I have more than one glass I tell the family that I need the empty bottle for a still life.:rolleyes: I don't think they believe me.:angel:

I really enjoy painting from life because you see so much more. Donna told me to paint a little and look a lot. I am trying to do that. When I get my recliner back working, I plan on having a still life set up to paint from life and have a photo of another set up to paint from the recliner. I should be able to get more painting done that way. The more I paint, the more I learn.

Take care.


Doug

LoveFaces
03-29-2008, 03:10 PM
rofl Doug. Even if they don't believe you, as long as you get away with it, you're good to go. :D It's too bad I can't drink wine. I'm on so many medications that alcohol doesn't mix very nicely, even a smidgen, as I learned once :lol:

Willemke
03-29-2008, 06:47 PM
Judith..... What a lovely start on your still life pottery painting, I really enjoy looking at WIP, and seeing all the different steps when trying to complete a painting, I learn a lot when an artist is willing to share the different steps that they have taken. I also have been walking around the house looking for shapes good enough for a still life setup.
Can't wait to see your finished painting.

Enid Goyers
03-30-2008, 04:23 AM
I love them, all of them. They are just wonderful. Thanks for showing. enid

Donna A
03-30-2008, 11:19 PM
Hi, Enid! So glad to have you visit!

And, finally, everyone---more promised pics of WIPs from class! Here is the latest update from Fani's marvelous 40"x28" painting of the children at the children's clinic in South Africa where one of her son, a doctor, volunteers each year. She had intended it as a surprise for him, but when he came for a visit, Fani's proud husband showed it to him---and he is loving it! He recognized the different children and began telling them what each child was being treated for. Awwww! She's getting closer to done. It remains absolutely exciting to see the painting unfold!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2008/77048-Fani-children-7.jpg

Here's the latest on Susan's piece I have been calling Forest Glow (my name to save the files---don't know what she'll be naming it.) It HAS been glowing from the first---for all sorts of good reasons! :)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2008/77048-Susan-ForestGlow-2.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2008/77048-Susan-ForestGlow-photo.jpg

Above is the photo, which I had not taken originally. The colors didn't photo quite right on---but gives you an idea of what Susan is being inspired by. She added areas to the bottom of the painting. For her initial composition, she laid white tape along the bottom line where the photo's area ended, so she could frame in the proportions she enjoyed in the photo---and to be sure that she did indeed leave enough space for the area she planned to add. This is also a good 'trick' for those who may tend to not give objects (in any subject) enough space between their edge and where the frame would be.

Here is a new piece by Dorothy, who just began working with me a couple of weeks ago. This is what she did last Wed. She was taking on several complicated issues. Here is the photo, too---and again, the photo colors are not good since I did not do a color balance before shooting this very warmly lit still life.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2008/77048-Dorothy-3Oranges-wip.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2008/77048-Dorothy-3Oranges-photo.jpg

And here is a wonderful painting that Dorothy brought in to show us. I just love it! She is sooo new to Pan pastels---but using them beautifully! The colors in Dorothy's painting are just delicious and it's just delightful to look at! :)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2008/77048-Dorothy-landscape.jpg

Here's the lastest on Linda's lake. She's planning (from the first) to finish this with her sticks. I'm really looking forward to seeing how the Pan's work for her with the sticks. Should be marvelous. She does very striking paintings!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2008/77048-LC-TreesByLake-3.jpg

And here is the painting of the Roman sculpture garden that Bev is working on. It is so compelling---yet very difficult since there is so much that is difficult to see with all the lichen covering the very, very old statue---fully dappled with sunlight and shadow. It is a very striking piece!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2008/77048-RomeSculptGarden-3.jpg

There are several others working with Pan Pastels in the classes---that I didn't get photoed. We just stay sooo busy in class! And we have artists working in most all mediums in class---so it's pretty exciting!

I hope I get sassy enough to get back to painting this week. However the doctor suggested last Friday that I expect this horrid flu to take another 2 weeks to get past. Argh!!! And....GRRRRRR! :rolleyes: But....surely! I'm ever optimistic. :D Take good care, ya'all! Donna ;-}

Rusla
03-30-2008, 11:50 PM
Donna, Doug, and everyone, all the pictures here are so good. I have had not had one minute to do any painting in the last two weeks. My job mentally and physically exhausts me to a point in the last two weeks that I can't do anything.
I have a show I have to be ready for in two weeks and nothing made for it, it is not an painted art show it is different.
I hope after I finish this show, I can get into more painting.
I think they need to pay me not to come to work.

Randi-Lee

LoveFaces
03-31-2008, 06:11 AM
Donna- Those paintings are beautiful. What talented students you have! ( then again they have a good teacher :lol:) I love the story behind the first one...it's so sweet and the artist is doing a lovely job. They all are doing great. :clap:

I hope you feel better soon. Two weeks sounds awfully long :( I hope your doctor is wrong and you bounce back much faster than that. Take care and get lots of sleep (if that's possible).

Nina

Donna A
04-01-2008, 02:14 AM
Hi, Nina! Thank you! I really am fortunate to work with an amazing group of artists!

Four weeks tomorrow with this flu. But I keep hearing more and more folks telling the same story---four---five---plus weeks. ARgh! Hope it has stopped its rampage across the continent!

So---was soo cool today! Bonnie (whose painting I did not get photoed again today---grrr) really got excited about how fast she could lay in the underpainting colors. She is so meticulous! Magnificent professional gourmet cook and extraordinarily high standards---which she has also been applying to her art work, of course---yet has been having trouble laying in (roughing in) colors. And finally today she just cut loose! Was sooo cool! Yea!!! She has done some amazing paintings with her sticks---and has been working on the Burmese Puppet of Bev's (you saw the photo and Shirley's painting WIPx3 earlier) and it is being striking!

The very first thought I had about the Pan Pastels was how great they could be for underpaintings! Well---indeed they ARE!! One artist reported cutting her start-to-finish painting time in half using the Pans for her landscape underpaintings. That's pretty great!

And then turns out they can do pretty much everything, too! I so hope I can get back to my painting this week!!! But---am behaving for now. :) Hhmphffff! :rolleyes: Ya'all take good care! Donna ;-}

artinwc
04-01-2008, 09:04 AM
I agree with Nina and Randi-Lee, Donna's students paintings are so lovely. I really like the Forest Glow Susan is working in. It really does glow. The children are looking great, too. Donna, I know you must be really proud of your students. Your description of Bonnie and how she had a bit of trouble in the beginning laying in the colors...that sounds like how I started out. Then, all of a sudden (maybe from practicing???:) ), it all started going down more smoothly.

I finished my pottery and think I will call it Earth In Ware...or maybe not. I'll post it as soon as I make my digital photo.

Randi-Lee - We sure have missed chatting with you here, and hope you can get back really soon. You're missed and thought of often. :wave:

Judith

LoveFaces
04-01-2008, 09:44 AM
Judith Earth In Ware is such a cute name, I hope you stick with that title.

Donna ...ack! 4 weeks! At least you're towards the end of it..I hope. (<---crossing fingers for you right now).

I understand your student Bonnie, Donna. I'm still hyper-meticulous (by nature I always will be and she probably will be, too). I have learned to loosen up but I have to really make myself conscious of it, otherwise I revert back to nitpicking and fussing over minutia. It's useful to be that way but only to an extent. Looseness has to be in there, too. I'm happy for her that she found that out. It makes it so much easier and freer if one can just "let go".

Donna A
04-02-2008, 12:12 AM
Hi, everyone! Judith---I like your name, too! I do appreciate witty plays with words and ideas!

Hi, Nina! Painting loosely is always something so fascinating to explore! One of the things I came to realize fairly early on for myself (and seems like it's GREATLY shared!!!!) is that there is such a concern about 'making a mistake.' And then for some folks it's just plain old ordinary fear!

SO---something I finally came to realize was!!!!---if looseness and freedom of expression was part of what I was yearning for in my painting---being over cautious IS "a mistake."

OK

So---if that can be used as an axiom---it puts what might be listed as "a mistake" in an entirely different light. And from that, one can begin to find what we really desire as our goal for our very personal creative expression.

It can really shift everything---if willing to focus on what seems TRULY important overall and finding or ever-enriching that inner trust based on that creative expression and joy! For me, painting has always been about Celebration of the beauty around me and the things for which I am so grateful. You will find your own 'reason' for painting. :music: :heart: :clap:

I have even suggested to artists sometimes (who are feeling uptight---or perhaps soooo constricted by fear of making something 'wrong' or 'not pretty', etc) to see just HOW UGLY they could make the painting! :D (Yes---really!!!) :D HOW ""wrong"" could you make it???? :rolleyes: Oh---how lovely so many of those paintings have turned out!!!! Boy---does this playful (very serious) exercise take the pressure OFF and just let you PAINT! Give it a try---any of you who are finding your painting less expressively loose and compelling----and satisfying than you mean it to be!!! It can be pretty amazing when we re-adjust how we look at things, how we consider our painting---and what we are doing! And--can be very exciting and freeing! Plus just awfully good fun! This works for any medium---and happily, our Pan Pastels can let us paint sooo freely!!! Soooo painterly! Have fun! Donna ;-}

LoveFaces
04-02-2008, 03:18 AM
One of the things I came to realize fairly early on for myself (and seems like it's GREATLY shared!!!!) is that there is such a concern about 'making a mistake.' And then for some folks it's just plain old ordinary fear!

SO---something I finally came to realize was!!!!---if looseness and freedom of expression was part of what I was yearning for in my painting---being over cautious IS "a mistake."

OK

So---if that can be used as an axiom---it puts what might be listed as "a mistake" in an entirely different light. And from that, one can begin to find what we really desire as our goal for our very personal creative expression.

It can really shift everything---if willing to focus on what seems TRULY important overall and finding or ever-enriching that inner trust based on that creative expression and joy! For me, painting has always been about Celebration of the beauty around me and the things for which I am so grateful. You will find your own 'reason' for painting. :music: :heart: :clap:

I have even suggested to artists sometimes (who are feeling uptight---or perhaps soooo constricted by fear of making something 'wrong' or 'not pretty', etc) to see just HOW UGLY they could make the painting! :D (Yes---really!!!) :D HOW ""wrong"" could you make it???? :rolleyes: Oh---how lovely so many of those paintings have turned out!!!! Boy---does this playful (very serious) exercise take the pressure OFF and just let you PAINT! Give it a try---any of you who are finding your painting less expressively loose and compelling----and satisfying than you mean it to be!!! It can be pretty amazing when we re-adjust how we look at things, how we consider our painting---and what we are doing! And--can be very exciting and freeing! Plus just awfully good fun! This works for any medium---and happily, our Pan Pastels can let us paint sooo freely!!! Soooo painterly! Have fun! Donna ;-}

That is excellent advice Donna and a wonderful way to look at 'meticulousness', or 'cautiousness', as a mistake. That's quite helpful. I might even try to bring myself to try the 'ugly as possible' painting exercise. That would actually be hard to force myself to do. Thank you so much for sharing that :thumbsup:

Donna A
04-02-2008, 12:54 PM
That is excellent advice Donna and a wonderful way to look at 'meticulousness', or 'cautiousness', as a mistake. That's quite helpful. I might even try to bring myself to try the 'ugly as possible' painting exercise. That would actually be hard to force myself to do. Thank you so much for sharing that :thumbsup:

Hi, Nina! My pleasure! :D I do hope you have a go at playing a bit "on the wild side!" :rolleyes: hee hee hee---ya never know! You might just love it!?! Just absolutely treat it as pure Play!

And---just to make sure of clarity: "Mistake" ONLY when it is not intended,---as in doing some photo-realistic work. But "drowning" one's self in one area, layering-layering-layering to the inth degree for some perhaps-unrealizeable idealization of 'perfection'---while leaving the rest of the painting naked---well---not a good choice! :)

I say, in general, build pyramids! Rough in over all---then bring up the next layer with somewhat smaller areas---then build up still smaller areas of refinement or nuances. And I would do that whether I intended to do a very loose painting OR a very photo-realistic painting! :wave: Have fun, ya'all! Donna ;-}

Donna A
04-05-2008, 12:41 AM
Hi, everyone! This evening was the Opening Reception for the MAPS Buttonwood Members Juried Show---and I was sooo happy to be able to see our Peggy B's two gorgeous paintings---plus Fani's Pan Pastel painting framed and hanging! All of them yummy and garnered lots of great feedback, interest compliments! The crowd tonight was huge! They actually nearly ran out of wine, though they had been so well supplied with everything! The Buttonwood always does fabulous receptions! (So they made a run for more!) I saw so many people I'd not seen in ages---or some who came in from far away I had not had the opportunity to meet before. Was absolutely marvelous.

I don't think anyone saw Fani's PanP painting as anything the least bit out of keeping with a pastel painting---the white wicker chair on the plant-filled front porch, if you remember! As fully painterly as they are, they are still absolutely and utterly PASTELS!!! :)

Now---time to rest on my "laurels!" (That's my new name for my tail feathers!) :lol: Take good care! Donna ;-}

Dougwas
04-05-2008, 01:55 AM
Hi Donna

I guess those good people of MAPS needed some empty wine bottles for a still life.:lol: I am so glad to hear Peggy's and Fani's painting were garnering interest and compliments. It is also good to hear that people are accepting the pans as PASTELS. It sounds like you had a fun time.

Donna, you have earned the right to rest on your laurels. I hope you are feeling better. Have you had a chance to paint?

I haven't been able to paint for the past few days, but there is always tomorrow. (or the next day)

Take care.


Doug

artinwc
04-05-2008, 07:43 AM
Hi Doug and Donna! :wave: I have been away from my computer for the last few days and was surprised to see hardly any activity on my most favorite thread. I hope everyone is fine. Donna, that is great about the MAPS show. I am so glad Fani's and Peggy's paintings both got lots of positive attention. And I'm so glad you are getting your strength back, even if it's not as quickly as you would like.

Doug - I hope things are going well with you. I am trying to paint from life too...like your last wonderful example. I think what I really prefer though (after yesterday's experiment) is to do the setup, study it and sketch it, photograph it and then do my painting from the sketch, from memory and using the photo as a reference when needed. How are your preferences shaping up?

I will try and post Eath In Ware today (as soon as I photograph it). I'm really pleased with it.

Donna - I am loving your DVD in mastering color!:clap: I have already learned a lot about setting up still life and I practiced on that yesterday. I really like getting to see you talk and work...it's almost like being there.

Willemke and Randi-Lee and Nina and Adiro - missing you all a lot!

Judith

Dougwas
04-05-2008, 11:59 AM
Hi Judith

I can't wait to se your Earh in Wear painting. It looked great before, so I can't imagine what it looks like now.

I enjoy painting from life, but, it is not always possible, so I take some photos. So sometimes my painting are from life and from photos. Whatever works best for you. I still don't have my recliner back so I have been trying to do some painting in my studio. It worked out fine for the first few days but then my body wouldn't let me do it any more. I am going to pop down to that store today to see if the part is in for my recliner. I hope it is.

I gave up on my still life with the yellow fabric. I just couldn't get the fabric right. I took some photos so if I feel like going back to it, I can. I am now looking around the house for interesting things for another still life.

Take care. I am looking forward to seeing your painting.


Doug

Shirl Parker
04-05-2008, 12:40 PM
I will try and post Eath In Ware today (as soon as I photograph it). I'm really pleased with it.
Judith

I'm sorry, I don't know what this means?????

LoveFaces
04-05-2008, 12:56 PM
Judith :wave: Hi! I'm still around lol. Friday and Saturday mornings I'm always stuck with that flippin' fever. But I posted my very first still life under the "April Strokes" thread. There are 2 photos to do this month. One of fruit and the other is eggs. I did the eggs and now my mom (only a mother can get away with this :lol:) is having me do another one in blue to match her kitchen.

lueur To answer your question since I don't know when Judith will be posting, "Earth In Ware" is the title of a piece she has been working on.

Shirl Parker
04-05-2008, 01:30 PM
Hmmm, sounds like a play on words, I'll be expecting a pot with a map of the earth LOL.

artinwc
04-05-2008, 03:16 PM
I finally had time to make photos of the last couple things I've finished. Here is the one called "Earth In Ware", which is all PanPs except for a tiny touch of the AS warm white sticks at the end. It's 13-1/2" x 18-1/2". After all the hype, I hope it isn't a disappointment. It has, for me, the feel I was trying to capture in the texture.

Doug - I sure hope your recliner part has come in. I know you will be happy to get back into it and into your Pans. I bought a yard of the yellow cloth, but haven't had time to try it out yet...but I will. :)

Shirl - I'm thinking I first met you over in the watercolor forum. Your name looks really familiar. Good to see you here. Hmmm...I don't think I'm up to doing the map, but I did get a couple pots done. :D

As always, comments/criticism appreciated! :wave:

Judith

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2008/50515-earth_in_ware_smaller.jpg

Shirl Parker
04-05-2008, 03:37 PM
Yes, Judith, I'm a loose woman, and I run around in several of these forums. I've been watching your progress over here in pastels. This one is a fine example of it.

I have a full set of Pans myself, and I am trying to figure out a way to get my tush up to Kansas City for some of that learning being done there at Donna's studio.

*Violet*
04-05-2008, 04:49 PM
fabulous finish !! ... your love for the pottery shows !!

Dougwas
04-05-2008, 05:30 PM
Judith- YES!! Wonderful painting. I can see the texture in the pots. As I said before, I love the interesting shadows. Very well done. You should be proud of this one.

The part didn't come in yet, but they told me if it isn't in by next week, they will take the part off of a recliner in the showroom. So I'll just have to wait a little longer.

So, have you started your next painting yet?:D


Doug

Donna A
04-06-2008, 12:03 AM
I finally had time to make photos of the last couple things I've finished. Here is the one called "Earth In Ware", which is all PanPs except for a tiny touch of the AS warm white sticks at the end. It's 13-1/2" x 18-1/2". After all the hype, I hope it isn't a disappointment. It has, for me, the feel I was trying to capture in the texture.

As always, comments/criticism appreciated! :wave:

Judith

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2008/50515-earth_in_ware_smaller.jpg

Hi, Judith! Absolutely striking! Yea! :clap: Glorious textures and lighting! And a lush variety of boldness and exquisite subtleties! Yum! There is one thing I might double check---the pot and area behind in the upper left corner seem one touch lighter than they might be compared to the weight of the darks on the other side. But very likely, IRL it's just right. I think it's a wonderful painting! Well done! I do hope you send a digital image of it to the Pan Pastel site for their Gallery! Excited to see what you do next!!! Donna ;-}

Donna A
04-06-2008, 12:33 AM
Yes, Judith, I'm a loose woman, and I run around in several of these forums. I've been watching your progress over here in pastels. This one is a fine example of it.

I have a full set of Pans myself, and I am trying to figure out a way to get my tush up to Kansas City for some of that learning being done there at Donna's studio.

Hi, Shirl! How did your exhibit go the end of February/beginning of March? Wonderfully well, I hope! I'm looking forward to meeting you 'one of these days!' :)

I'm sooo impressed with what Judith and others are doing! Very exciting! Have you been finding time to work with the PanP's much yet?

Hi, Doug! I'm hoping, too---that your chair's repair part is ready and waiting for you! Yes---I actually have painted again, myself---about 5 or 6 minutes today on my big PanP sunrise painting! Yum, it felt good! ;) For the first time, I'm finally beginning to feel HALF-human! :D There may be an end to this flu, after all! yea!! Those colors are just hollering to me to come PAINT!!! I hope everyone else is getting some good painting done! Take good care! Donna ;-}

PeggyB
04-06-2008, 03:22 PM
Very nice finish Judith. The play of warm and cool colors is very pleasing, and I can "see" the texture you've worked so hard to achieve too. You are certainly making the most of the pans.

Peggy

LoveFaces
04-06-2008, 03:57 PM
Judith- It's beautiful. What else can I say? I love your textures and colors. The only thing at all that seems off is the shadow cast by the second pot to the left (the rough textured taller pot) onto the pot behind it. It looks rough for a shadow. I'm assuming it's a shadow)...but photographs of paintings are never quite right so it depends on if it's the photo or the picture itself. I love the picture!

LoveFaces
04-06-2008, 03:58 PM
oops I forgot my clap for a job well done! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Donna A
04-06-2008, 11:12 PM
Hi, everyone!!! I painted a while on my big sunrise painting that has gone neglected on my easel for a good while! Felt sooo good! :D At least doing some 'serious contemplation' at times here in my recliner the last several weeks, I recently figured out WHAT it was that I wanted to nudge a bit to solve some things I was annoyed with. (about 26x34 on Colourfix Blue Haze Board)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Apr-2008/77048-NESunrise-7.jpg

NOW I feel like I can get this finished! Lots of finishing to do, but I'm pleased with it now in general. Of course---there's always seeing it with fresh eyes tomorrow. :rolleyes: I remain sooo thankful that I've been able to change so much around, erase, overpaint, repaint, layer and layer, change some more, change a LOT more and so on! :rolleyes: The painting has always looked 'about' the same when glanced at---but when looked at very long---so many changes in nuances to find just the balance I want. Looking forward to seeing more of the works you all have done. Still savoring Judith's! :) Take good care! Donna ;-}

LoveFaces
04-06-2008, 11:51 PM
Donna it's lovely! I understand about the finishing, but even as it is right now, it's so beautiful. The colors are so vibrant. :clap:

LoveFaces
04-06-2008, 11:59 PM
Donna I forgot to ask you- is that picture done exclusively with Pans or is it a combination of traditional sticks and Pans?

Donna A
04-07-2008, 12:22 AM
Hi, Nina! Thank you! This was a glorious sight in real life! Ahhhh!

This is allll Pans, including the drawing. It's possible to get so much detail (when wanted/needed) as well as painting sooo loose! Early on, I kept meaning to use my sticks, as well, but except for one, where I really insisted with myself that I lay in the first layer or two as 'underpainting' and then go to my sticks---and one small still life (from life) I wanted to get finished and was having a tricky time getting just THE (exceedingly unusual) color---that I've had a hard time achieving with all 4700 of my stick pastels. :rolleyes: (It's the color that happens when a strong 200W incandescent shines on a medium blue-violet backdrop [a cloth I LOVE using---go figure!] :D ) But otherwise, the Pans keep doing every thing I want (and I'm such a picky person. :) (ps---that strange color on that backdrop is not impossible with the Pans; I was just beginning to loose the important daylight in the studio and didn't have time to find JUST the right choices in my Pans.)

But both versions of pastels are marvelous---sticks AND Pans! As long as we get the look, the effect we want---whatever works! I'm just still having such an amazing time exploring the depths and breadths of the Pans. And I found for myself---and then have observed for other artists---the more we experiment, the more things we try, the more things we discover we can do with these.

How are you coming with trying these with your portraits? I found them just remarkable for the several portraits I've done---all from life. Have some other people I'm looking forward to painting when I get (ha ha ha) caught up. (sheer fantasy, I fear!) :lol: Take good care! Donna ;-}

*Violet*
04-07-2008, 12:33 AM
lovely sunset, donna !! ...

think it'd be possible to pull together everyone's paintings with pans into a gallery here? ...

artinwc
04-07-2008, 08:04 AM
Shirl, Violet, Doug, Donna, Peggy, Nina - Thank you all so much for your compliments and comments on "Earth In Ware". I enjoyed doing this piece so much! Now I have five paintings framed and ready to go to the standards committee at our local art league. If they pass standards, I will be able to hang them in the art league's gallery along with my watercolors and mixed media. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Donna - Your sky is so beautiful! I love the glow that the brillaint setting of the sun throws both onto land and into the clouds. Just lovely!!! I can't imagine it getting any more beautiful, but I'll be watching to see what steps you add to make it meet your satisfaction.

I won't be around much this week as I am helping out in a watercolor workshop. The Watercolor Society of Alabama sponsors an annual national juried show in conjunction with a workshop by a nationally recognized artist/instructor. We got really lucky this year and have Stephen Quiller as our instructor. And even luckier for me, as this year's exhibit/workshop is only 30 minutes from where I live. I have already taken his workshop, so I am helping out with the workshop this year...only as a "runner", waterchanger, cleaner-upper, etc. :D It will be fun! But I'll miss getting to paint and visit here.

Have a great week all!:wave:

Judith

LoveFaces
04-07-2008, 01:34 PM
Donna I got temporarily distracted from my portraits by trying the picture in the April Pastel Strokes thread. It was my very first still life. But then my mom saw it and loved it so she asked me to do it again, but in blue...and it has to be the right blue to match her kitchen. As I said in the thread over there, only a mother can get away with that. :lol: So at the moment, I'm doing the egg picture again in blue, but it's much harder to invent a color in lieu of what's really there. At least with this I'm finding it hard because the original cloth color is relatively light, with darks where the shadows are. The 'made up' cloth color is a delft blue so that effects how light the highlights will be compared to the original picture. My first layer looked like an Easter horror...ack! It was all wrong. But, over-bright under layers work well to dull down in subsequent layers so now it's looking more like I want it to look rather than some Easter egg nightmare.

Judith How fun your week sounds like it's going to be. Stephen Quiller is quite the 'catch' for a workshop :) How lucky to have taken a workshop of his and how you get to run for him? Too fun! I hope you have as good a time as it sounds. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you, too, for your art league but I'm guessing you won't have any trouble getting accepted from what I've seen of your pastels. I bet in no time they'll happily be hanging alongside your watercolors and mixed media paintings :D

Willemke
04-07-2008, 02:02 PM
I finally had time to make photos of the last couple things I've finished. Here is the one called "Earth In Ware", which is all PanPs except for a tiny touch of the AS warm white sticks at the end. It's 13-1/2" x 18-1/2". After all the hype, I hope it isn't a disappointment. It has, for me, the feel I was trying to capture in the texture.

Doug - I sure hope your recliner part has come in. I know you will be happy to get back into it and into your Pans. I bought a yard of the yellow cloth, but haven't had time to try it out yet...but I will. :)

Shirl - I'm thinking I first met you over in the watercolor forum. Your name looks really familiar. Good to see you here. Hmmm...I don't think I'm up to doing the map, but I did get a couple pots done. :D

As always, comments/criticism appreciated! :wave:


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2008/50515-earth_in_ware_smaller.jpg

Judith

Judith.... you have done just an amazing job on this painting, the different colors and shapes, shadows, hightlights and the texture "WOW"!! The pottery is just amazing! This is one of my favorites :thumbsup:

Good luck on your watercolor workshop.

*Violet*
04-07-2008, 02:56 PM
lovefaces ... am i right in assuming your mother wanted eggs in blue ? ... manipulating a photo reference is relatively easy if you have the program ... i *cooled* the photo and got this ... is it close to the blue your mom wanted? ... is this bit of assistance too late? ...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Apr-2008/46454-eggs_in_blue_cravia_wc.jpg

hmmmm .... pretty ... makes me wanna try it !! ... must look at it in other shades too .... *off to my photo manipulating software *.....

LoveFaces
04-07-2008, 10:36 PM
Violet you are awesome. That's exactly it, just with the eggs a bit less blue...and what's really funny is that's pretty much what mine looks like now but it's definitely a big help because it tells me I did it right (more or less)..whatever right is, right? (Gotta love pointless redundancy hehe) :lol:

The blue is pretty, isn't it? Thank you for doing that. I have photoshop elements and GIMP but I am totally inept with it. It's weird, because I'm not normally technically inept. I just have a camera curse. Anything camera or photo-related hates me.

Thank you again!!! :clap:

lpb
04-07-2008, 11:37 PM
Donna, breathtaking sunset! It looks just fabulous as is! :clap: :thumbsup:

Donna A
04-08-2008, 01:01 AM
Hi, Lorraine! Thank you! I do think the sunrise 'reduces' pretty well. I'm looking over at it now and I'm pretty happy with it---across the room. It's pretty large---and there are still a few bits that want a bit more love and care! But rather happily---they are not apparent in the little pic! :D I suspect it won't look a whole lot different this small when it's done. Geeee---I can hardly wait! :rolleyes: Seems like forever since I started it!!! :p

I wrote a Reply earlier this evening but again got the strange source-code-looking page as I had allll day---and thank goodness I had copy/saved it. Here t'is:

Hi, Judith! Thank you! We'll miss you this week! I know you'll enjoy your time helping the others at the watercolor workshop! I can't imagine how the standards committee will do anything but want to go run/hang your paintings the minute they see them! Very best wishes!

Hi, Nina! That's soo cool you are doing another color version of your still life just for your Mom! Awwww! Pretty nice to have your Mom for a fan. ---

"Translating color" is such an interesting thing to do. If only we could sit down for about 30 minutes or an hour.... There are some great basics that make translating color so much easier! Sounds like you are finding where you want to go! That's great!!! I bet your Mom is going to love it! Yea!!! :clap:

Hi, Violet! It IS so nice to be able to do things to our images with digitals! We are so lucky!

I really enjoy most painting subjects that have some lovely warms and cools within the Hues, rather than simply lighter and darker of whatever Hue. I noticed that in the original egg photo there is very little variation in warm/cool---but the values are wonderful both in the original and here in your blue version!

I like the delicious variations, too, in hard and soft edges! Yum!

And Hi, everyone! Most of the day when I clicked on the thread's url, I got what looked like source code. Ahhhh, was sooo wonderful to be able to finally get back here and see what you all had been up to!

I took several photos in class this afternoon! Fani finished her wonderful painting of the children :clap: and Bev finished her Roman Statue piece! :clap: A couple of other people finished their pieces in regular pastel---and Gloria started her new Pan Pastel and Mary Kay is working on another of the scenes from Venice she took when she and Bev were in Rome and Venice some months ago! They are looking great so far! I'll get the photos up tomorrow.

I wish Rick would start posting his stick pastel paintings in the Studio! He's putting finishing touches on a white cat that is just amazing. Well allll of his pieces are! He's doing the cat to donate to Wayside Waifs, a place that cares for and places homeless animals---and Bev is on the Board of Directors---and they have a huge GRAND fundraising event every year which raises money for WW---and for several years, many of us have been doing special animal pieces and donating to the Auction they have at the 'Fur Ball.' :D

I have 3 more weeks left to do something exciting of a wonderful little furry being! With two black cats---well, I LOVE wearing black like they do, and I'm finally deciding it's about time I go thru my photos of them sitting in wonderful light/shadow---warm/cool situations and find something that could/should be a yummy little painting. Yes---wanna do it in the Pans. Just looking for that next plateau of 'energy.' :) I know it's in there somewhere! And then speaking of 'knowing something is in there...'---I wonder where I've filed some of those photos I took of Cassie on the oriental rug with south light streaming in thru the french doors in the studio. Hmmmm. OK---I'm going to go searching! (Yes, on the computer! Takes soooo much less of that budding energy.) :wave: Take good care! Donna ;-}

Dougwas
04-08-2008, 01:47 AM
Hi Donna

Your sunrise painting is looking fantastic!:thumbsup: I love those clouds and the rays of sun. Great colours in the sky on the horizon. I bet it felt good to be painting again. I hope you find some more energy and paint some more.

I will be watching for your photos of todays paintings. Take care.


Doug

Donna A
04-09-2008, 12:34 AM
Hi Donna

Your sunrise painting is looking fantastic!:thumbsup: I love those clouds and the rays of sun. Great colours in the sky on the horizon. I bet it felt good to be painting again. I hope you find some more energy and paint some more.

I will be watching for your photos of todays paintings. Take care.

Doug
Hi, Doug! Thank you! It's interesting to have so many different types of cloud formations in one view. Well :o instead of getting the photos from class yesterday cropped, squared and uploaded, I ended up using my budding energy for painting today. :) Pardon. :rolleyes: Made some changes/additions to the sunrise that I'm really pleased with.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2008/77048-NESunrise-8.jpg

Don't know how much will show up as different in this small a digital image---but I can really see the differences even from here (in my recliner)---maybe 18 feet from the painting in the studio in the next room, in lower light now. And---yes, it DOES feel good to be able to do some painting again! Ahhhh! :D

So how is progress with getting your recliner working again? Hoping you're settled into it again and painting more, too! Take good care! Donna ;-}

ps---Oh---just noticed something else. Will fuss with that tomorrow. :) I've always said---it's good to do more looking than painting. It surely gives an advantage! :wave D :-}

WC Lee
04-09-2008, 12:52 AM
Donna: good to see you gotten rid of that flu :) and up painting. That sunrise painting is beautiful. I gots to start playing around with the PPs again ... I think I forgot how to use them now.

Dougwas
04-09-2008, 01:33 AM
Hi Donna:wave:

I can't really see any difference from the other photo except this one is darker. I wish I could see it IRL. I downloaded the photo so I could zoom into the painting. WOW. There are so many colours in the sky. So many shades and tints, warm and cool colours. I think I am going to study the painting and maybe try a sky painting myself. See. You start painting again and I get inspired. Thank you. :)

My chair is still out of commission but should be ready in the next couple of days. I haven't been doing any painting for a while because I have been having a bad spell and just couldn't find a solution without my recliner. Oh well. I have lots of ideas floating around in my head.

I hope you find enough energy to paint some more. Take care.


Doug

LoveFaces
04-09-2008, 06:18 PM
:wave: Donna it's beautiful :) I wish I could see it IRL too, Doug. It's so vibrant on the computer screen I can't imagine how it would look in person. (Not to mention I'd love to take you up on your "sit-down" hour Donna.../sigh)

The blue egg version is coming along fine. I just have one problem. Once again I managed to make a spot of the LaCarte paper lift off. I have done this twice and both times it was for a picture for my mom. I think it's cursed. But the problem is that it's almost done so I don't want to start over. I put a dab of watercolor over the spot, just so it's not glaringly obvious. Naturally, it's right next to the right side egg in a dark fold of fabric. In other words, really, really, really obvious. Ack!

Trilby
04-09-2008, 08:37 PM
Donna that sky is glorious!
Nina, I look forward to seeing your blue eggs should be delightful. I'll pass on to you what I do when I've gotten a lift off on la Carte. Roll a piece of paper into a pointy cone with a wide open end. Lay the pointy end against your spot and adjust to fit the spot with just a tiny surround. Insert spray can of fixative and spray. The pastel will then adhere. The watercolor toning helps with this as then you've covered the whiteness of the spot. Just be careful to not over spray. Just a quick touch of the button. If not enough just repeat. Good Luck.
TJ

LoveFaces
04-09-2008, 09:19 PM
TJ Thank you!! What an excellent trick :clap: I will definitely try that. I love LaCarte...the lifting is the one negative about it, but I like it enough I use it despite it's finickiness.

Trilby
04-09-2008, 09:31 PM
Yeah, I love La Carte too despite its fragility about moisture and I can't remember not to blow on it and so sometimes spit. You do have to be careful that you don't moisten the paper with the fixative otherwise more will lift off.
I had a piece at the framers and noticed a place that was overlayed with some stray color dust so I naturally blew and there immediately appeared a pin prick dot of glaring white. I fortunately had pastels with me and could work to fix it---successfully. Good luck
TJ

LoveFaces
04-09-2008, 09:33 PM
Thank you and yep..it was the blowing that caused a dab of spit and that's all it took. Blowing is a bad habit, but it's really hard to resist sometimes :lol:

Donna A
04-10-2008, 02:23 AM
Thank you, Tribly, for the lovely comment and for the idea about doing a fix on the La Carte. I know that's going to be very useful for a lot of folks!

Bev used it for the Pan Pastel painting she just finished Monday---and she had had this piece of blue-grey La Carte around for quite a good while---and it was sooo damaged with places where single thin lines in arcs had been scored into the surface. Unfortunately, your great idea won't work on most of the damage she had (but might on some.) She found it very frustrating how vulnerable the surface is. Thankfully, her subject matter was very complex with lots of dappled sunlight and lichen growing on the huge old rock statue in an old Roman sculpture garden. The damage lines show, etc., but not 'terribly.' I gave up using the La Carte surface ages ago since I tend to work often very briskly and found it was too easy to destroy the surface---however it is quite lovely. And it does take the Pans very beautifully. But any time I want a lovely soft surface like La Carte these days, I simply sand down a sheet of Colourfix. Behaves the same in the good ways, but is invulnerable otherwise! I don't want to take more care for my painting surface than I do for my painting and my sanity. :rolleyes: Hooray for those of you with the patience to make it work for you so beautifully! :)

Here is the painting that Bev just finished plus the photo she took about three or four months ago in a famous old sculpture garden in Rome. By the way---it was a very overcast cold day when she was there and taking her photos. Full sheet of blue La Carte:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Apr-2008/77048-RomeSculptGarden-fin.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Apr-2008/77048-RomeSculptGarden-photo.jpg

Take good care! Donna ;-}

Donna A
04-10-2008, 02:55 AM
Hi, everyone! Here is another PanP painting from Monday class (Bev's finished piece in the last post) ! Absolutely the rest of them tomorrow!

This is Mary Kay's first Pan Pastel---from a photo she took in Venice. She and Bev were there several months ago---Venice and Rome. Mary Kay did a marvelous painting from one of her Venice photos with her stick pastels that she recently finished so she's trying the PanP's with this image. She's purposefully made some changes to the photo---and is doing this on a half sheet of Colourfix Blue Haze, which you see marked off at the right side, where I did a couple of little demo bits since this was brand new for her! So far, soooooo good!!! Yea, Mary Kay!!! :-) (First the photo then the painting stage 1---with some of the paper surface still showing thru.)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Apr-2008/77048-MaryKay-Venice-photo.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Apr-2008/77048-MaryKay-Venice-1.jpg

Take good care! Donna ;-} zzzzzz :)

LoveFaces
04-10-2008, 12:55 PM
Donna Both pictures are beautiful. It's funny but the damaged LaCarte works for the weathered statue. I am grateful to Trilby for the suggestion to 'fix' damaged LaCarte (nice pun, huh?) because I have tried Colourfix and hated it. I don't know why, but I did. I know so many pastelists love it, not to mention it's much more durable, but I just didn't like it. I also don't like Wallis, which is another big favorite for a sanded surface. If I want something more durable than LaCarte I turn to either UArt, which comes in 4 grits so you can pick how rough you want it (;) heh), or Pastelbord. Oh, and occasionally canvas. Senso is a linen canvas with a clear primer, but it has a bit of grit in it, so it grabs the pastel quite nicely. But for whatever reason, I hate the two most popular sanded surfaces out there. Go figure.

Donna A
04-11-2008, 07:24 PM
Hi, Nina! :) We are soooo lucky to have so many great surface choices for our pastels, these days! We jest ain't supposed to like every one, so that absolutely works! When my twins were little, we had a great learning experience when we discovered that they loved licorice and couldn't stand mushrooms. I can't stand licorice, but LOVE mushrooms! We were able to find that we really, really did love what we loved---so the 'other' wasn't 'bad'---we just didn't like it or want to partake of it. It certainly helped my Sense of Awareness---and certainly helped theirs---and we used it often when matters of 'taste' or 'choice' came up. It was an easy 'icon' we'd established for matters like this. Plus---became something fun to laugh about. And yes, I've since had occasional bites of licorice (chocolate, please if I'm eating sweets!)---and have come to LOVE fennel with that licorice/anise-y flavor---and they eat mushrooms. We just found a great way early in their lives to put things in an easy perspective that let us stay fully happy and comfortable with what we each enjoyed---and be able to respect and be fully OK with what the other liked.

With our painting surfaces, I think the most important thing is to experiment a good bit (like trying on shoes to see what fits best!) and find what serves YOU best!!!! Yea! For me---gimme chocolate and Colourfix! :D And I'll cheer for you finding your favorite!!! :clap: Yea!!! Donna ;-}

Donna A
04-11-2008, 11:18 PM
Hi, everyone! Now---for those other promised photos of paintings from this week in class! First---here is Susan's "Forest Glow" which is really gorgeously glowing IRL---and 16"x13" on Soft Umber Colourfix.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Apr-2008/77048-ForestGlow-SusanSummerlath-13x16-PanP-Cfix.jpg

It's so loose and painterly---and Susan really created wonderful textures that are lively and give the 'feel' of the subject---all the leafy/needle-y bits---and her major dark tree trunks have interesting variety top to bottom---and the biggest one, it's own slightly red-violet glow against the golden/greens! Well done, Susan! It rather has a sense of a "small LARGE piece!" :)

Mary Kay is doing her very first Pan Pastel painting. She has a wonderful style with her sticks doing gently spritely short strokes with subtle differences in color that weave together to make a quietly luxurious surface to her pastels paintings. Her first (and most recently-finished) painting of a canal scene in Venice from her trip a few months ago was done with her sticks. (At the framing shop, someone wanted to buy it. Doncha love it!) :D But she's keeping it. And now painting her second Venice scene with the Pans---and so far---so very good!!! Yes---some of the normal 'learning curves' have given some opportunities to show Mary Kay some little techniques---and she's taken to them fast! :thumbsup: I just have sooo much fun watching these great discoveries! :) Now---this is on a half-sheet of Colourfix Blue Haze---and Mary Kay marked off the same proportion of the photo she took onto the paper---which left a space at the right for her to make test strokes and a demo/lesson or two. A fair bit of paper still showing through where she has not worked yet. Very much a WIP! Plus a photo of the photo. :smug:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Apr-2008/77048-MaryKay-Venice-1.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Apr-2008/77048-MaryKay-Venice-photo.jpg

And Gloria is beginning her second Pan Pastel! Hmmm---did I get a final photo of hers? Don't remember. Gloria has always had a rather spritely style, as well---looser and longer strokes with her sticks, again with varying colors that weave together---and she's carried over a lot of that feel into the Pans paintings. Half-sheet of Colourfix--Blue Haze, too. This is a scene from Ghost Ranch in New Mexico---and actually a photo I've taken and painted and very much enjoyed. Gloria was more inspired by this photo than either of the still lifes---and she's really capturing the feel of it! You'll see mostly her drawing so far---and those first wonderful strokes to the left that utterly FEEL like the chimisa plant she's painting!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Apr-2008/77048-Gloria-GhostRanch-1.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Apr-2008/77048-Gloria-GhostRanch-photo.jpg

I need either reshoot Fani's finished painting of the children or have a copy of whatever she might have photoed. My photo was in such terribly overcast light---and no way I can find a way to color correct to let it look as striking as it is. And it does deserve justice being done to it!

Here is a photo of Dorothy and Shirley both reorganizing their colors in an order I find extremely useful! Other than the Black, White and 4 Grays in between, all the other 18 pure colors are organized in groups of 3: the pure, a tint and a shade. I worked a little bit early on to find a way or arranging the colors that had a 'flow' and logic that let me work the most easily and efficiently! Otherwise---I'd go nuts (well more so!) :lol: when painting.

Dorothy came up with a great idea of numbering from 1 to 60 (once the colors were arranged) and marking the number both on her tray and on the bottom of the appropriate pan. This makes it easy to keep in order.

I know everyone is looking forward to the trays that Pan Pastels designs. And they will be wonderful, I believe. Just think everyone is yearning for them, but will probably be a while, still. I'm thankful for my little studio-made foam core trays in the meantime. If anyone newer wants the measurements and directions, let me know. Posted a long way back---and I could post again. Theirs will be better---but these are really nice in the meantime!

The way I"ve arranged mine gives a 'circle' in the order of teh rainbow, beginning with Perm. Reds in the 'middle front' and moving around to the left: red, orange, yellows (at the far left end, front and back trays) then curving back right with yellow greens, greens, (crossing over from left back tray to right back tray---then turquoise, thalo blue, then payne's gray and black. In the front tray, Raw Umber in front of Payne's---and ultramarine in front of thalo blue to curve back to the violets and to their left, the magenta.

To the magenta left, in the box(tray) that is front left is the perm. red, again. I've started a 'Map" and will share when finished. I keep my shade behind the pure color and the tint in front of the pure.

Here's a picture of the tray with some bit of the name of the color laying over the Shades. (Yes, the brand of Black to White has it's own 6-gradation pattern.) Bits of all the color names are written over the Shades. Hope you can read them OK.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Apr-2008/77048-PanPastels-Arrangement.jpg

If you have all your colors scattered all over the place---be good to yourself and get them organized so that you can RELATE lighter to darker and warmer to cooler! The Black-Gray-White and the two lower-intensity Paynes Gray and Raw Umber are together to the right. This arrangement makes it soooo much easier when painting, easier for mixing colors---and with my stick pastels, my oils my acrylics or my watercolors, etc---I want them organized---always in the sample place (like letters on the keyboard) so I don't have to think about WHERE they are---I can just reach for them! Life is soooo much easier this way! Take good care! Donna ;-}

Willemke
04-12-2008, 06:30 PM
Donna..... Susan has some wonderful textures and color going on in her painting, love that golden color coming through. Mary Kay has a very good start on her Venice painting, love the yellows and the blues, can't wait to see the finished painting. Gloria's painting has a nice start, this painting when finished will be just gorgeous, love the New Mexico photo.

Thank you for showing how you organize the pan's. I organize mine exactly like the index card colors that came with the full complete set, all I have to do is look at the index color chart to see where the colors are, as I do not have boxes to put mine in yet, I keep them screwed together until needed (which is a pain), but I am waiting for PanPastel to come out with some kind of container to keep them in.

Willemke
04-12-2008, 06:40 PM
Donna.... Forgot to comment on Bev's painting, love the statue painting, the moss growing on the statue looks so soft and real.

Willemke
04-12-2008, 06:48 PM
I finally got back to painting, after being in a slump for about 4 weeks :eek: . I completed my very first still life called "Cherries Jubilee". 14" x 14" colorfix (light mauve color), 80% PanPastel, also used some unison, sennelier and pastel pencil for detail work. C & C welcome, thank you for looking.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Apr-2008/128486-CHERRIES.jpg

Donna A
04-13-2008, 04:08 AM
Hi, Willemke! Ohhhhh YUM! Your new painting is just gorgeous! Hooray! I know it has to feel sooo good to be painting again---and to have done such a lovely piece! :clap: I just love that cherry hanging over the edge of the bowl---and was looking again at how even the way you have painted the stems---each with such vitality and personality and perfectly accenting the cherries, crystal bowl and surrounding area! And great light-dark contrasts. It's all very rich! Wow! Looking forward to seeing what you do next!

Thank you on behalf of Susan, Mary Kay, Gloria and Bev! Yes! It's so wonderful to see what they are doing, too! :) Bev came today to work a while on a darling and striking painting she just started Thursday of her grandson's new puppy---that she is doing as a donation to the Wayside Waif's grand "Fur Ball" fundraiser for this animal haven, where she is a board member. She's used both Pans and sticks---and I should have already thought to take a photo. Will tomorrow. She's doing it on a piece of 28x20 Blue Haze Colourfix that I had tinted with a red Red acrylic wash a while back---making it a slightly mellow rose color. This little camel-colored pup is just looking great on this background! And the Pans and the sticks have given beautiful textures and we both just want to pet the little sweetie! Ahhhh! :-)

Donna..... <snip> Thank you for showing how you organize the pan's. I organize mine exactly like the index card colors that came with the full complete set, all I have to do is look at the index color chart to see where the colors are, as I do not have boxes to put mine in yet, I keep them screwed together until needed (which is a pain), but I am waiting for PanPastel to come out with some kind of container to keep them in.
I think it's going to be so great when their trays or boxes (not sure what they will be called) are out on the market! I know they will be very well designed with many things considered---and a real blessing! You still might want to fix up something temporarily until they are available since it takes a good while to get from designing then prototype-testing then manufacturing then distributing and then---happily into our hands. In these little foamcore trays I made (for now) it's just sooo sooo easy to carry them all all over the place and just be able to work with them the moment I set the trays down on any given surface. I know when their's comes out it will be even better!!!

And I would hate to have to screw the pans all together again all the time. The artists in class who still have not made their own foamcore board trays or found cardboard 'flats' at the grocery store, etc, are packing them up by just stacking them rather than fastening them together---and simply setting them in their original boxes. Just something to think about. They won't slide around when simply stacked, so it works---unless you do wild things with them that you're not telling us about yet! :lol:

Do be sure that when your colors are out for you to work with that you have them set up so that you are getting THE most fully useful, helpful color-relationship info that you can possibly get. For me---I want to be able to have my reds together so that I can see and compare my warm reds and my cool reds---and the same with my yellows and greens and blues, etc. And I want to see these, as well, in the context of the values. We can always make a new color chart. I can just work faster and with more certainty when they are set up in this color wheel "circle." Whatever works! Goodness knows your new painting is just striking! Yea! :clap: Take good care! Donna ;-}

Willemke
04-13-2008, 02:07 PM
Thank you very much Donna for your nice comment, it's always nice to get someones expert opinion. Sometimes I am scared to take a photo of my painting and post it, this is the first time I did anything like crystal or glass, wasn't to sure if it looked good enough, I enjoyed doing the cherries. I think I might try doing strawberries next, yummy :D .

lpb
04-13-2008, 08:36 PM
Donna, here are your specs for the trays. Post # 25 if anyone wants to see the original post.
Hi, Shari! Just in case you might decide instead to make your own made-to-size trays, I've drawn up a 'map' of the foamcore board pieces I cut to make my Pan Pastel trays---along with their measurements---both for the size of trays I made for myself---each of which will hold 15 pans---and also for larger trays which hold 30 trays each. (60 pans in full set.) I would suggest making yet another tray(s)---(one of the larger-size tray or two of the smaller trays) to hold your tools. At least these measurements will give you an idea of the size you'd want to look for in the plexi frames---but they are pretty deep---and when stacking them up---well, I think it's nice not to have them any deeper than needed! I had yet another occasion to stack and move the trays today so that someone in class could use them. Well---just so you find something that works for you! That is what is important!

Making these trays was pretty easy. Cutting the foamcore board was 'the hard part' and that was a breeze. :-)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Nov-2007/77048-PanPastelFoamCoreTrays.jpg

And for construction details (just pay attention to the red since this was originally created for the trays I use for my stick pastels in my travel box, which also uses corrugated cardboard and foam pads, etc.):

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Nov-2007/77048-PastelTravelBox-construction_notes.gif

(This is the other image about making the travel box, which may be useful to some of you. NOTE the info at the bottom about the Partitions, which I used in the tool trays I made for the PanP's. This travel box illustrated is over 20 years old and going strong! Works great and is so light-weight. You couldn't give me a store-bought travel box I'd use.):

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Nov-2007/77048-Pastel_Travel_Box_drawing-DA.jpg

A reminder about what my PanP trays look like:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Nov-2007/77048-PanPastelsTrays.jpg

And the trays for the tools:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Nov-2007/77048-PanP-Tools-1.jpg

Well---have fun, ya'all! Take good care! Donna ;-}

Dougwas
04-14-2008, 03:24 PM
Willemke- As I said in the other thread, good job on the cherries. I really like all the reds you used. I am glad you posted this painting in the Studio Thread. It is a great way to show all the other people what can be done with the pans.

Donna- Thanks for posting all the photos. What a diverse collection of styles! It just show what one can do with the pans.

Bev's painting turned out quite well. It doesn't look like the easiest painting to do. She managed a very good likeness. I really like how she handled all the blues and greens. Not an easy task.

Mary Kay is doing a terrific job on her painting. I like the shadow on the building. It's only there if you look for it. It will be interesting to see the finished painting.

Susan did a fantastic job on her painting. It is definately glowing. The tree bark is very well done. I also like how she did the foreground. Very little detail, but you know what's there.

I can't wait to see Gloria's painting. The photo is eye candy. It will be interesting to see her painting of this eye catching scene.

Take care.


Doug

*Violet*
04-15-2008, 12:26 AM
x-posted in *april 2008 pastel strokes* ... used mereth's (cravia's) lovely reference photo ...

*three's a crowd* .... :) ... painted experimentally strictly with the panpastels on 11"x14" green suede mat board ... first time on that surface with the pans ... hard to get used to the pastel not blending much or easily but i'm pretty pleased with the final result ... as always, your c&c will be very much appreciated tho ... :)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Apr-2008/46454-threes_a_crowd_566x440.JPG

Donn
04-15-2008, 09:22 PM
Hi everyone,
I just want to jump in here and say all the recent paintings are really lovely. Those cherries are so good you can almost pick them up and eat them!
I haven't had a chance to get back to PanPastels, yet, been working on some Chinese brush paintings (lastest on my flickr) for a post card exchange. There are 6 in my group. It seems I only have time to do one or two paintings a month...not enough time to do more.
Just wanted to let you all know I'm still around. Didn't want you all to think I got lost.
I've also enouraged a couple others to visit this thread and talked them into getting some PanPastels.
Keep up the good work, everyone. I'll get in here with a painting one of these days.

LoveFaces
04-15-2008, 11:35 PM
Violet those eggs look great. I love your unique interpretation to the April challenge. Everybody's work looks so good. And those Pan Pastel set-up diagrams are wonderful. Clearly a lot of time and effort were put in to them so bravo! :clap:
I have my blue eggs finished, thanks to the wonderful 'fix' from Trilby. I've just been soooo sick for the last week or so that I haven't had the energy to do much of anything. Even taking a picture is a Herculean task and this is the most I've managed to type in days and I'm already pooped. I'm hoping in another day or two I'll be better, though if it's two days, then I'm back to my shot day and then it's 2 more days of being sick without a break..../sigh. Sorry for the pity party. I'm not normally like this, I'm just frustrated today.

Rusla
04-16-2008, 03:51 PM
It's been a while since I have posted, so much to do so little time to do it in. I have gotten through one show/sale of things that are not painterly, the next one Willie and I are in on May 2 and 3. I finished my fairy pic in pan p's on velour. I truly don't like the Pans on velour as you have to be real careful. I started another pastel of an owl, but right now I am working on my very first acrylic of Johnny Depp. I will take pictures eventually of everything and post them, when I get time.
I still have my silly taxes to do before the end of the month too. This is the latest I have put them off in years.

Donna, those pictures of the statue, the buildings, and landscape are great.

Willie, love those cherries and I bet you have finished your strawberries too.

Everyone is doing so great.!

Randi-Lee

rankamateur1
04-17-2008, 08:45 AM
In the past week, I've read ALL 66 pages of this thread and have been most appreciative of the art lessons I've received while reading. As a RANK AMATEUR, I need all the help I can get and this thread has given me lots to chew on.

Question - Do the PanP tools work as well applying pastel dust? I have tried shaving off parts of NuPastels to apply as dust over stick pastels to apply shading. I've used shapers to do so, but wonder if the PanP sofft tools would work. Has anyone tried this?

Luana

Donna A
04-18-2008, 12:03 AM
Hi, everyone!!!! :wave: Oh, such wonderful posts!

Hi, Luana! Soooo good to have you join us! WOW!!! You get a lot of stars for Valor! I'm soooo glad you have read through all 66 pages and that you've found things that give you some great ideas and information! We've had so much great sharing here!

The PanP sponge tools will definitely spread around both stick pastel laid on to the painting and the pastel dust---BUT---without nearly the striking effect we can achieve with the Pan Pastels. There is something the makers do that give some kind of quality to them that makes such a big difference in how they look, how they stick to and appear on the painting surface. A fellow artist friend came over to the studio one day last year and we experimented in a number of different ways, including the question you are asking.

I just found the dust not worth the bother since there is no where near as much effect as can be had with the Pans. PLUS I'd rather do what I can in all the different ways to keep dust out of play as much as possible. As far as shading---which is essentially the changes in values and usually also some sort of change in temperature and intensity of the colors---when we get enough pastel onto the paper, we can weave in the needed various colors to get those changes we want---or with Pans, create both very loose or ultra-subtle nuances in those changes. So that is something that you might give a try to.

You have so many adventures of experimenting in store for you---and I hope you find it exciting, in spite of how eager I suspect you are for getting things just the way you want them NOW! :) I do hope you have fun with the whole process of learning more and more and more! I feel really fortunate that I so enjoy ever learning more!

And do feel free to keep asking questions here. We have so many lovely and fine painters so willing to share their experience and knowledge---and all the way across Wet Canvas. Such a wonderful community!

Lorraine, thank you soo much for having found and posted the ideas for making the trays! And for noting the #25 of the post! Would be great if we had a directory. :) Maybe one of these days. :music:

Hi, Doug! How's your chair??? Yes, Willemke, Bev, Mary Kay, Susan and Gloria have been doing great things! Geee--you just reminded me---I should otta have taken a photo of Susan's new piece today. I arrived at class late after a long doctor's appt. Stilllllll wrestling with the flu's aftermath. grrrrrrrrr! (Rollercoaster ride) We have quite a set up in one area (three set ups all together, including a big Spring-y vase of forsythia.) Rick brought his late aunt and uncle's 1950's silver cocktail set. A beautifully heavy fabric of pale minty/sagey green is tumbling down the backdrop behind the set---and the silver tray is setting on a piece of rich med-darker blue-green---just a few inches showing out from around the tray---and then all that cool silver with the warm light. Susan is painting from the far right side doing the rich folds of fabric and one of the goblets and part of the cocktail pitcher. It's looking very luxurious. She came for a makeup today---but I DO have pictures from Wed's class. She and Shirley are both doing this in Pans and Shirley's colors are striking! I must upload the two Wed. pics! Will soon. There are six artists painting it Wed---and the Monday crew, including Rick just thought it wayyyy toooooo much to paint! hah! and hee hee hee! I gave the Monday folks a hard time earlier this week after such great starts by the Wed. folks last week! :evil: I'm so bad. :angel:

Hi, Violet! Love your eggs! Those edges are superb!!! And the contrasts in values and fun way of using the warms and cools! Striking piece! Yea! Beautifully done, in spite of the issues working on the suede. :clap:

See if next time you work with the Pans on suede if loading up even more pigment on the sponge tool makes a difference with how the colors blend. I think the little hairs of the suede capture pigment and keep it from moving in the same was as on a sanded like Colourfix or a smoother paper---without there being a goodly bit of the pigment available. Maybe just something to maybe play with a bit for anyone who yearns for a bit more blending. The several experiments I did on suede let me blend beautifully---but with plenty of pigment laid on. But I find that same issue with some of the work with sticks---if one is not grinding pigment to death into the painting surface with thing amounts of pigment with either sticks or with Pans. Guess I do have a tendency to often load the sponge tools pretty heavily. Yes--sometimes, very lightly for particular applications or qualities or surfaces, effects, etc. I do consciously load the tools with various amounts of pigment depending on the situation.

It's really a challenge when we use a surface the first time with a particular material since there are so many discoveries to make! I think your painting is marvelous, Violet!!! ---

Donn! Hi!!! So good to hear from you! Sounds like you are enjoying the Chinese brush paintings! Will look forward to seeing your next Pan Pastel!!! Keep us posted!!! :)

Hi, Nina! Ohhhh---boooo! So sorry to hear you are not feeling well! Understand the "not enough energy...." And we'll all send you Well Wishes!!!! :heart: Of course it has to be frustrating!!! Love and Hugs and Get Well Fast!!!! We'll look forward to your blue eggs when you are up to sharing it!

Hi, Randi-Lee!!! Sounds like you have been pretty busy! I'm not a big fan of velour anyway---although I've seen some very lovely pieces on it. But guess I'm first concerned about the archivalness. And I can get the effect with something archival and much sturdier---and in 20 different colors that I can also tint with wet media. But---Pans can have some lovely effects on velour. I just don't want to spend my creative energies there.

Yes, I agree with you!!! Everyone is doing so great! Pretty exciting! Look forward to seeing what you are doing when you have a moment to share what you do next!

Take good care, everyone! :grouphug: Donna ;-}

Dougwas
04-18-2008, 02:41 AM
Violet- Great job on the eggs. They seem to be glowing. The fabric looks fantastic. I like the cool and warm blues.
Donna- The chair is repaired!!!:clap: Boy, what a difference it makes. I was thinking I was going to have to change my medication because I was in intense pain all the time. All is better now.:thumbsup:

I might not be around here as much in the near future. At the age of 51, I decided it was time to start my post secondary education. I just started an online university course, Literature and Composition.:eek: I must be crazy.:lol: It is a self paced course so it is perfect for me. If I pass, I plan on taking more courses, including Colour Theory. I have been thinking of doing this for a while now and I am glad I finally took the plunge. I will still be painting when I can because I need to use the right side of my brain and because I still love it.

I hope you kick that flu soon. Take care.


Doug

rankamateur1
04-18-2008, 07:38 AM
Thanks Donna for your info and encourangement. I've recently retired from a very left-brained job (managing software engineers - you can't, it's like herding cats), and decided my right brain needed some air. I've been a serious amateur photographer for some years now and had thought that I'd really work on that in retirement. I started down that path, but then took a winter online course on Painting Photographs. I had been sick most of the winter with one thing or the other, and the thought of going outside to take new pictures in Feb in New England wasn't very appealing. So Painting Photographs seemed to be just the ticket. One of the assignments was to take a fairly uncomplicated photo and print it on watercolor paper. As a photo, it looked dreadful, but the idea was to use it as an underpainting for some other medium. I used pastel pencils and got hooked. I moved on to NuPastels and now am trying soft pastels. The local Charrette has Windsor Newtons, Rembrandts and PanP's. PanP's seemed to my left-brain a bit avant-garde (and I hadn't read this thread yet), and the Rembrandts felt funny to me, so I started with WN's. I only have some studies done as yet.

This thread has really inspired me and given me lots of ideas. I just ordered a set of Art Spectrum soft pastels and can't wait for them to arrive. I've been painting on paper taped to masonite proped up on some books. Time for an easel so that's on order as well. An upgrade in paper is needed as well - I've been using Strathmore ArtAgain and watercolor paper, which seem to be OK for sketches but NG for lots of layers. More adventures! But each adventure seems to need money thrown at it, so I need to restrain myself and enjoy the current adventures before venturing further.

Thanks again to all,
Luana

Tressa
04-19-2008, 08:27 AM
Hi Donna,
I cannot believe how big this thread has gotten!!! It will take me weeks to catch up!!! Lots of great info here, and I am so glad to be back on WC!!
Tres

LoveFaces
04-19-2008, 01:15 PM
Luana - You don't necessarily need an easel (though if you want one, by all means get one). Here's a WC Soft Pastel Talk thread about just that- "Easel or Table?" http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=405286

You're right about Artagain being too smooth...the one way to work around a relatively smooth paper and build up layers still is to use a spray fixative in between layers, but that is ripe with a whole other bunch of issues. If you haven't tried it yet, I highly recommend a sanded paper. There's a bunch to chose from and everyone likes different ones so you'll probably want to experiment. A lot of pastelists like Wallis and Colourfix. I'm partial to LaCarte but you can never get LaCarte wet like you can with the others. There's also UArt (an acid-free update to Ersta; for those of you who used to love Ersta, there is an archival alternative now), Sansfix, R-tis-tx, Richeson's Unison Premium Pastel Surface, and Pastelbord (it's by Ampersand that makes Gessobord, Claybord, etc...so it's a grainy surface on top of a hard clayboard base).

There are a bunch of non-sanded surfaces to try as well. Fabriano Tiziano, Canson MiTientes, and Hahnemühle Ingres and Bugra are good papers to try as well, though I really urge you to try a sanded one just to see if you like it. I layer a lot, too, and the sanded surface is wonderful.

PeggyB
04-19-2008, 02:05 PM
Hi Everyone

So sorry I've not made comments here in a long time, but "life" has gotten in the way - fortunately I'm not sick as Donna is, but I have some "chiropractic" issues as some of you know, and was told to limit my time at the computer! Believe it or not, that and treatments have helped quite a lot. My daughter was here for a two week visit toooppppppppp- (and now one of my cats is trying to help with this message! He realy want smy attention so keeps walking in from of th emonitor, stepping on the keyboard, and head butting me! - the above typos are from Max! :cat: )

I just wanted all of you to know how impressed I am with you progress. Amazingly beautiful work! I have yet to find the time to finish what I began in Donna's workshop. Any painting I've done in the last 6 weeks has been short demos for my classes. This time around it is 10 weeks of color theory for pastelists.

I may not comment, but I have been watching. Keep up the good work, and contine to have fun with those pans.

:wave:
Peggy

rankamateur1
04-19-2008, 05:29 PM
Nina, thank you, that was an interesting thread on easel vs table. My tables are all fairly low so that I end up leaning on my unoccupied hand. It's getting very sore and feels carpel tunnelish. I've tried sitting down but keep getting up to reach for pastels. Standing seems to work the best, but then my hand hurts if I work too long. I've ordered an easel (Anderson Swivel) that will allow working both vertically and horizontally, while allowing me to stand and not lean. I hope it works.

I just tried La Carte paper. That's the only sanded surface that my local Charrette store has, but I have Colorfix on order. I like the sanded surface alot, but still filled up the grain fairly quickly. I'm a rank amateur so I'm probably applying too much pressure, but that was my first attempt. I probably ought to try that paper sample pack from Dakota.

Luana

hazenwest
04-19-2008, 06:49 PM
Hi
I am Susan - from Donna's class - I can't tell you how wonderful she is - and her instruction!!
I have enjoyed reading all of your emails - via this web site
Just want to say - if any of you have a chance to take a class from Donna - please do so!

CindyW
04-20-2008, 04:38 PM
And I would hate to have to screw the pans all together again all the time.

Oh my gosh, exactly! I worked with Pan Pastels this past week and the screwing the pans all together after each use was pretty annoying! Definitely need another setup like yours, Donna! so thanks for the info on your boxes. I don't have the patience for mechanical plastic items that don't snap together in one click.

Cindy

Donna A
04-21-2008, 01:57 AM
Hi, Cindy!!! I think it's great to be able to screw the pans together into lovely columns to pack in a suitcase or such---but just cuz they have those very nice threads to fasten pans together does not mean we have to use them every time we finish painting!!! :) The trays are pretty easy to make. The measuring out of the cutting lines takes the most time---but---doesn't take all that long---and the trays are a total blessing!!! Will be so glad to see what the Pan Pastel folks design, but I know it will still be a good while before anything comes to the market, so very good to do some temporary foamcore trays in the meantime! Just so easy to cart the Pans around the studio and outdoors to do plein air painting!

Looking forward to seeing what you've done with your Pan Pastels, Cindy! We all have really enjoyed sharing our works! So good to hear from you!!!

Susan!!! Yea! I am sooo glad you have joined in the thread! I know the others have really enjoyed seeing your pieces so far! (Susan is off to a big quilting convention this next week! She's multitalented!!! We'll miss her in class!) And thank you! Awwwww. :-)

Hi, Nina! We have a pretty great cheering squad around here! Herding cats! LOL! Talk about the description of an impossible job! :lol: Goodness! The W/N pastels tend to be a bit lower in intensity, which can be useful at times! So I'm glad that you've ordered the Art Spectrums, too! They are sooo heavily pigmented. And my FAVS. And all of them play very well with each other! Do try some of the sanded papers when you have a chance! I do so love the AS Colourfix papers and primers. I am so glad you are experimenting! That is sooo important! You will make all sorts of wonderful discoveries!

And Peggy!! (And your assistant, Max!!!) Know it's been hard for you to spend much time sitting at your computer! We miss hearing form you more often---but understand!!!

And Tressa! We've missed you for ages!!! Hope everyone in the family is doing better! Yes, we've been busy, but I know you have, too!!! Look forward to seeing what you've painted lately, if you've had a chance!!!

Hi, Doug! Geeee---you're still just a kid! But glad you are setting out on a new adventure!!! But---be kind to your Right Hemisphere! Paint!!!! now and then! And check in with us with what you've done! We would miss you terribly if you didn't keep us current with what you are up to! Enjoy, enjoy!

I have photos I need to upload from class last week---and I'm still working on little nuances on the sunrise painting---plus another project. Feeling a bit better, but still 'not out of the woods' with this flu aftermath! Just ridiculous!!! But the trend is good! Yea! :clap: Take good care, everyone! Donna ;-}

LoveFaces
04-21-2008, 12:17 PM
Donna :lol: I think you have me mixed up with another poster. I love sanded surfaces and I haven't ordered any pastels in a while. I have soooo many now it's not even funny, but I don't own a signle stick of W&N. I was talking to Luana aka rankamateur1. She ordered the Art Spectrums and I was suggesting to her to try a sanded surface, then listed a bunch of options. Maybe that's where you got us mixed up? I don't know, I just know it's not me lol.

Nina

p.s. I love Art Spectrum, too. Their new (well 'new' as of last year) Extra Soft Whites are so lovely. They're tinted with just a hint of colors...i.e. Flinder's Blue Violet, Phthalo Green, Lemon Yellow etc. All variants of whites and absolutely lovely.

Donna A
04-21-2008, 08:42 PM
Hi, Nina! :rolleyes: Oh, goodness! Yes! Pardon! And pardon, Luana! :D

And I agree with you, Nina, that the "new" Extra Soft's from Art Spectrum are so lovely! There is nothing soooo light and stillllll WITH a bit of real hue!

So many people just assume that any highlight is stark absolute-zero plain white! NO! Highlights are the color of the light highlighting that particular spot---and there can be multiple light sources coming from different angles, usually with different impacts (intensities) as well. Nothing I've seen or heard about does as well as these for the ultra lightest lights in traditional pastel paintings and they are very exciting!

Now when I'm using the PanP's all by them selves (which keeps turning out to be most of the time) I've been able to pick up White in my sponge tool, then pick up one of the Tints and then go back to the White to get the color impact on the sponge tool for the highlight I want. Of course I load up my sponge really well to get the maximum impact from the stroke! And then clean off any other color I picked up while laying down the stroke---and then load up again if I need to make an additional stroke.

Some artists---with both Pans and with sticks---forget that when putting a stroke on to an area with a different color, they will be picking up some of the painting color while laying down the new color. I have gotten into the habit (well LONG long ago) of wiping off the tip of my pastel stick or my Pan sponge tool when working in to a different color field. It's automatic for me.

I was so fascinated and interested to realize that the majority of things I know from decades of working in traditional pastels, oils, acrylics and watercolor (some things even from my years of printmaking) carry over, as well, into principles that are also in play with our Pan Pastels. Then, of course, as with everything, there are specific special techniques that apply in a very narrow range with something in particular. (Did that sentence work out right???) :p Hopefully---ya know what I mean! :D

At any rate---both the Pans and the Art Spectrum Extra Soft's work great for those ultra-light highlight colors! I want BOTH! :lol: Yum! Take good care! Donna ;-}

LoveFaces
04-23-2008, 02:37 AM
:) I almost never use pure white and if I do it's very sparingly. It's flat almost like pure black is flat. They both have their places, but more often than not, another choice is better imo. It's like Terry Ludwig's Intense Darks...I can't think of a time that pure black was better than one (or several) of Ludwig's darks. That's my basic preference...Art Spectrum for very light lights, Ludwig for darks and (nearly) blacks and Roche for everything else. Though I must say that the Pans I bought were all light colors to use for glazing and they are wonderful..so I guess I should amend that comment to say Art Spectrum and Pans for lights :lol:

Donna A
04-26-2008, 12:03 AM
Hi, Nina! I so agree with you about the issue of almost never using pure white by itself. :lol: I have been known to go on and onnnn about that in classes a time or two! :D Very few "white" objects are actually as purely white as the pure Titanium pigment---or even Zinc, etc. Many artists are so much more likely to be 'thinking' the idealization of White when a subject is considered White---that SEEING pure White. But they grab for the pure White color and just blanket the object with the lightest and most 'hue-less' color they have available. Yikes!

I've seen wayyyy too many white porcelain pieces or table cloths or garments or fields of snow painted with Titanium (or such) and, in the case of the porcelain, for example---a few sparkling highlights will most likely exist in real life in stiking contrast to the values of the overall (actual) piece, but there is NO place to left to go in the painting's version to add them to the already purely white surface. duh :rolleyes:

So all of these "White" issues end up being about actually learning to LOOK better in order to SEE better and make the comparisons---see the relationships between values as well as temperatures and intensities. (Well----a lot of painting is about SEEING Shapes of Colors!)

What a lot of artists are doing---at least early on (and even toooo often even later in their experience with painting) is considering their subject as Objects rather than as Shapes of Colors---all in relationship to each other. And this can lead so easily to 'naming' a color rather than 'seeing' it! 'Naming' the color OR the object---is more about a Left Hemisphere activity (purely thinking!) than that Right Hemisphere activity, which is that Intuitive creative, painterly place to be when painting!!!!

Just something for you to consider! Very best wishes! Donna ;-}

ps---I find it so easy to get those very pale tints in our PanP's by stroking the white---then one or two of the tints of hues you need---then stroking the white again. I often go back and forth and back and forth to get just the mix of color I want. Takes seconds---and is something that we can develop an instinct for doing---and carries over to stick pastels and any other medium---so well worth getting ever better at! D ;-}

Wrichards
04-26-2008, 03:59 AM
hello, I posted in the stuio gallery section and was re-directed here. I picked up about 30 of these gems today and took them for a test spin. Im loving them. I was never a fan of standard sticks mostly becouse of thier tactile feeling and over all mess. but these pans are fantastic, coming from a oils background, they are realy nice, no mess and i can "paint" like im used to. great product and Im realy happy to have another medium to play with... :)

heres my 2 hour attempt with first use.... 9x12" alota fun :)
http://i32.tinypic.com/2hx20z7.jpg

Donna A
04-26-2008, 07:33 PM
Hi, Richard. So good to have you join us! Wow! you really 'GOT' the PanP's immediately! Very lovely painting. The possibilities with these is just sooo amazing---and I continue to find new depths and breadths to them! Yes---they are sooo painterly! Your level of fun and delight is likely to just keep multiplying! :D I'm really glad you are enjoying these as so many of the rest of us are!!!

I hope you continue to share your PanP paintings with us here on this thread! It's been a great collection of works, often progressive photos of a particular painting in one post or throughout several posts over time!

And---if you're caught up with your vitamins, :) do take a trip thru the thread beginning at the beginning (yes---a long way back!) :rolleyes: Lots of tips and techniques that may be of interest to you!

Looking forward to more of your lovely paintings! I really enjoyed visiting your web site! Take good care! Donna ;-}

Dougwas
04-27-2008, 11:03 AM
Welcome to the world of pans Richard. You did a great job on your first pan painting. Being an oil painter, you will probably be used to mixing colours to find that right colour. I don't know how many sponges and tools you have but each one has its own characteristic and it takes time to see what each one can do.

All I can say is paint, experiment and have fun.


Doug

Wrichards
04-27-2008, 01:06 PM
Thanks guys, I painted this one a second time (an entirely new painting from scratch ) to see if I could improve. I realized I needed a stronger yellow as my original purchase didnt have the bright Hanza yellow and a black. so heres same subject painted again with stronger colours. this took about an hour. man these are so fast and easy, the oil skills are exactly the same im useing the "knives" mostly the ovals for sky (softedge stuff) and the square (harder edge) and the triangle for smaller points and the edge for lines. My last few oil paintings have been all knife work so this is/was a realy easy trasition for me, same technique. I also found that I could use the tiny black handled 1" applicators fit into my mechanical pencil so i can draw finer details...

http://i32.tinypic.com/2qisefm.jpg

anyway heres the new painting :
http://i29.tinypic.com/28wp54.jpg

and the first attempt:
http://i26.tinypic.com/261ephw.jpg

I took the first attempt painting into the local art stor to show them what I did with the pans, they put it up on display with thier PanP display cabnet that holds the product as an example of what can be done with the landscape pack. :)

all in all Ive got several paintings ready to be painted with these babies so see u all soon :thumbsup:

Tressa
04-27-2008, 02:29 PM
Hi Donna!
Wow! Has this thread grown!! I just received a msg from Bernie, and told her I was getting ready to take my pans to Provence! I cannot wait, only a cpl weeks and I will be playing in the dust in France! She said they were just there promoting the pans to European artists.
I cruised back some thru the thread to see what I've missed and it is great!! Good to be back here!
Tres

PeggyB
04-27-2008, 02:50 PM
Welcome to the less dusty side of pastels Richard. I can see your oil painting skills are working wonderfully for you in the pan pastels. Nice landscapes - I like the lighting in #2 best though.

Tres - I'm green with envy, but wish you a fabulous adventure in France. The Pans should be so much easier to transport. Are you using Donna's method of carrying them? Her foam core box system works so easily, and even if you choose to keep the lids in place during the flight, they will be easier to use once there. Are you going with a group of artists?

Peggy

Tressa
04-27-2008, 02:54 PM
Hi Peggy! yes, a bunch of us are going over with Colleen Howe to St Remy.
I do have Donna's boxes, but I will probably transport them screwed together.
I was just wondering if anyone had come up with a good set up for plein air painting without having to take all the boxes, hmm, wonder if they would fit in a full french easel? They are so easy to carry compactly,but I was looking for a good, possible, easy, best set up, lol!
Tres

Willemke
04-27-2008, 04:05 PM
Hi everyone, sorry I haven't posted in awhile, been real busy trying to prepare for our Art show May 2 and 3, also had to do my husbands and my taxes, plus been sick. I just finished two paintings, another still life "Strawberries Alamode" and a beach scene "Umbrella Day". Again I used 80 to 90 % Pan Pastels, and pastel pencils for detail.......MAN I love those PANS!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Apr-2008/128486-StrawberryAlamodeTN.jpg

Strawberries are done on colorfix (AS), size is 12" x 16"

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Apr-2008/128486-UmbrellaDayTN.jpg

Beach scene was done on colorfix (AS), size 16" x 20"

Thankyou for looking, C & C welcome

Donna A
04-27-2008, 11:12 PM
Hi, everyone! Here is one of the paintings from class last week---Shirley's piece---well before she finished. This is her first PanP---on Colourfix 20x28. We were busy enough that I didn't get anyone else's photoed. But MUST make a point tomorrow of shooting Bev's painting-in-progress of her grandson's cute-cute-cute little new puppy, napping on one of Bev's circa-1950 cushions. She's using both sticks and her PanP's.

This is the (oh--again) circa-1950's silver cocktail set that Rick lent for the still life. It has been a really challenging still life---and I've just been amazed at how well everyone had done with it! Here's a photo of the still life and then Shirley's in-progress painting. Lots of vitality and color in it!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Apr-2008/77048-Ricks1950sCocktailSet.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Apr-2008/77048-Shirleys1950sCocktailSet.jpg

Hi, again, Richard! Your second landscape is lovely, too! Things about each that I particularly like! You've painted some great variety in colors, values, textures, etc! Really interesting that you are feeling a connection between your painting knives for your oils and the PanP sponges. That's pretty cool and something I had not thought about since I use my (usually) white bristle brushes most often with my oils. But surely makes sense! Thanks for passing that thought on. ---

Yes, the black is very useful and a 'must' for creating the very dark darks---and the bright yellows are colors I find myself using so much! I seem to use all three oranges a lot. But then I make pretty full use of most all of them. And there are some great favorite combinations I enjoy. And then---all sorts of constant possibilities, just as with our tubed colors---and the stick pastels (though I must admit my many, many sticks have got to be feeling quite deserted for a long time.)

And---what a marvelous idea fitting the mini-applicators into your mechanical pencil! There's another applicator with a small surface that is similar in size---with interchangeable tips---that fit into a wooden handle. That tool is another I really enjoy.

And I also love the thinner round sponge that is maybe 1.75" in diameter. Ohhhh, the things that little sweetheart will do! --- Well, they each do some very particular things. Do be sure you try all the different shapes.

Hi, Tressa! Good to hear from you!!! Bon Voyage in a couple of weeks! Sounds like it should be a wonderful trip! wonderf if you could fashion some trays that would fit your french easel? That foamcore is sooo wonderfully easy to work with and so lightweight---and you could probably use the thinest variety---and just keep the sides no deeper than the pans with their lids off---so that you could put a set a second tray over the first, if needed---and then put a lid over that with whatever you needed to use to keep the top sealed while traveling. That way---you could travel with them without putting the lids on. Just a fast thought. Hope you find the perfect solution! Will be fun to hear your adventures! If you've had time to paint lately, would lot to see what you've been doing!

Hi, Peggy! And Doug, too!!!

And Hi, Willemke! Wow! Desert and then a little stroll down the beach! Both peices are a delight. I especially am enjoying looking at the strawberry painting. Looks like you've been having some fun in between all the taxes and being sick and show prep! What have you been doing in your spare time???

I've been resting/recuperating, still plus getting a little bit of catch up done---plus working a bit more on the large sunrise and today began playing a bit with an 11x14" Pastelbord that our KC fine arts store gave me to experiment with---both a gray and a white---and I began a little painting---actually from the same sunrise photo I took up in Nebraska a year or two ago, since it was extremely handy! :-) Will report more on it tomorrow or Tuesday. Very busy week ahead of me. Take good care! Donna ;-}