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LarrySeiler
05-28-2002, 04:19 PM
Here's an example of my having worked an area for awhile. In this case, my routine is backwards. I visited this falls, "Twelve Foot Falls" in Marinette County, Wisconsin and took photos. From the photos I first did a realistic piece, 30" x 22" in acrylic on canvas....

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-May-2002/twelvefoot_falls_acrylic.jpg

Then, having trout fished it a few times...having taken more photos, I talked my wife into trying her second hand at plein air painting. So, roughly a year ago....she and I set up side by side, and this plein air is what I did.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-May-2002/Spring_at_Twelve_Foot_Falls.jpg

some have seen this piece before...but my point of this is to talk a bit about the difference between work painted from life...and work painted from having experienced painting from life.

Now though my order is reversed here in this example, many work up larger paintings from oil sketches or plein airs. I guess it is proper to say the artist worked from life for sure....however, I know that it can be a bit intimidating for younger plein airists to gauge their own growth when looking at the larger work of other master artists claiming to paint from life.

Just be discerning enough and look at the wording. Very very rarely is it possible to pull off a 24" x 30" or larger plein air that comes off quite realistic unless first of all the artist is able to go back to the same spot day after day for 4-5 days in a row 'till it is finished. I know of only few places where the weather and lighting is such that that is even possible. Many scenes out west in big wide open sky country, do enjoy that kind of longevity for a painting experience.

Make sure when you are looking for growth in your own work that you give yourself a break when looking at the work of others. It would be nice to see for example, the plein airs of Clyde Aspevig. Now, maybe there are reasons Mr. Aspevig does NOT publically show his plein airs. One might be that we might be surprised how painterly, how expressive, how spontaneous they are as he sought to put down visual information for references. Perhaps his talent might come into question when compared to his larger wonderful painting scenes. That is, called into question only by those that do not understand the demands and challenges of plein air. Personally, understanding those demands...I think I would love best to see those of Aspevig's.

One thing I really loved about the Carl Rungius exhibit last year (111 pieces) was that hanging and displayed next to many of his very large wildlife paintings were the smaller 8" x 10" plein airs he did on location in the mountains. Simple, expressive...full of life and color. The obvious referral to those in his larger works was a study worth the trip to the museum alone.

Plein air is perhaps the closest thing I know of yet that puts painting on a level similar to athletics. A sporting event. There are challenges. Not for the faint of heart. While developing...use some sayings common around the athletic area to push yourself such as, "winners never quit, quitters never win!"....or, "you never fail 'till you quit trying!"

Viewers come in all sizes, and in all kinds. Some will only like the detailed more carefully valued tonal renderings such as my large one here. Some, being acquainted to aesthetics in the way some are aquainted with the finer points of athletics will understand a different bent on the rules that will make for a unique experience or challenge such as what comes with on location painting, or plein air. Main thing....have fun!!!

Larry

Phyllis Rennie
05-28-2002, 08:17 PM
I remember this one, Larry. I thought it was wonderful then and still do !!

I'm still at the beginning stages of plein air painting but find myself already becoming less and less concerned with painting the "reality" of the scene. Part of it is that I don't have enough time to get it perfectly, exactly, right. But mostly it's just that I find interpretive painting so much more interesting.

walden
05-28-2002, 10:29 PM
I have now done three 11 x 14 studio pieces from 3 different plein airs. Only when the plein air was clearly & profoundly flawed (that was my Enchanted Rock piece) did the studio piece work out better than the plein air. For the other two, one of the studio pieces is nice but not better than the plein air, the other is a complete flop.

I notice that I tend to use more intense, vibrant colors when I paint outdoors. Inside, I tend to pull my punches. But, I also find that bringing the plein air indoors and giving it about 15 minutes of fine-tuning (usually adding highlights, but sometimes intensifying darks a bit) tremendously improves it. I usually paint outdoors in the morning, so by the time I'm done the sun is quite high and it is very hard to see my painting well under those conditions. In fact, until I get home, I'm never sure how well or badly I did.

TPS
05-29-2002, 02:34 AM
A few years back I saw an exhibit of Clyde Aspevig paintings at the Gilcrease Museum in Oklahoma. Much to my delight his plein air pieces were displayed among his larger studio works. Of course the plein air work was not for sale. Surprisingly, there was not a great difference in the 'look' of these smaller pieces; generally in the 12x16" range. They did seem to me to have more 'life' to them, as the bigger ones were more refined. Although not visible in photos or reproductions, the brushwork and color application are evident in both. I suspect the average viewer would not pick up on the differences.

LarrySeiler
05-29-2002, 08:41 AM
brushwork and color....key signatures of the artist. Cool to hear. Wish I could have seen them.

Interesting too....that as something becomes more refined, it risks losing some "life"....

Perhaps a certain amount of allowing the viewer to read into the work is necessary...and perhaps that "life" thus exists in the hearts and minds of the viewer which some slight obscurity triggers to come out. I'll have to muse on that thought for awhile.

Lucky to have seen them, I would have loved that!!!!

Larry

artbabe21
06-03-2002, 11:41 PM
There is a painting of Clyde's, Study for Montana Harvest, done in 1993 which is plein aire of a field where the hay had been cut which was painted just 2 miles down Bridger Canyon Rd from where I live. I had watched him paint a few times along side the road years ago. This had to be 15 years ago but I did stop and talk with him having no idea who he really was at first. His work has been shown here at several galleries as he painted much of Montana.
Cathleen~

LarrySeiler
06-04-2002, 07:44 AM
wow...imagine that, Cathleen.

Did he have a big dog near his easel, or a large ammo box for his pictures? heee heee.... just kidding...

Pretty neat thing though to be able to recollect!

Larry

artbabe21
06-04-2002, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by lseiler
Did he have a big dog near his easel, or a large ammo box for his pictures? heee heee.... just kidding...


Naw, he was just painting on the side of the road, where there are a lot of cars going by. He painted a number of them from this area, as I saw him several times over the years. He was born in Rudyard, MT and his first sale was at 12 years old. His father who supported him, bought his painting! How marvelous that he had such support, so many do not!
Cathleen~

LarrySeiler
06-04-2002, 01:28 PM
Originally posted by artbabe21

His father who supported him, bought his painting! How marvelous that he had such support, so many do not!
Cathleen~

My father, now passed away...did support me and was proud for much of his later years. I have an interesting story though that I tell people when I speak that encourages to work hard.

When I was about 22 years of age...I was married, fairly fresh out of the navy, starting back in college, and we had one son. My father was a city police officer and grew up to believe it was irresponsible to take a job because you'd like it. You took it because if offered some security for your family.

That I was going to college for art...even possibly art education never sat well with him. My last couple years in college I got straight A's...had the GI bill to help support our expenses, worked part time...and managed to find time to paint.

My father would call to somewhat harrass me, and express his displeasure. Saying that if I really loved my family, I'd be out there beatin' the pavement looking for solid work such as in the paper mill factory, etc; calling and finding out I was painting never really sat well with him.

At one point his displeasure grew worse because our financial situation was really bad...however, after putting near 300 hours into a painting of a snowy owl...I entered a statewide competition sponsored by the "Wisconsin Sportsman" magazine. By the encouragement of a friend whom won it two years later....I did. I ended up beating 108 other prime top artists, and was handed a $5,000 award check. And earned the title- "Wisconsin's Wildlife Artist of the Year" Plus, a large article was put in the magazine... which ALL my father's friends read. My father was also a sportsfishing guide for Lake Michigan...so, this was big stuff.

Funny thing is...he then began to call us to remind me that I needed to be working at my easel and keep painting! hahahaha.....:rolleyes: :D :clap: :cool: :angel:


Larry

artbabe21
06-04-2002, 01:51 PM
Larry, What a great story! It's so typical of that generation to have that mind set. I have seen it with my parents, unable to grow with the times, thinking that things should stay the same as it was for them. Now in their 80's they have let many things go but I have to tell you my father has gotten pretty verbal with a son in law of mine for wearing his ball cap in the house. An Air Force veteran he quotes his motto, "when under cover, uncover. I ask him, why expend the energy on what you can't change?

Congrats on that wonderful win, a risk you took that paid off in spades!! It's amazing how favorable circumstances change minds!
I am glad you were able to experience the other side of the coin with him before your loss, to see how proud & accepting he was of what you loved to do!
Cathleen~

DanaT
06-05-2002, 02:29 PM
Larry, your story reminded me of Robert Redford saying his father always told him to get out of acting and do something responsible - until he won the Academy Award.

A good reminder, support is always nice but we don't always necessarily need it.