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WV.Artistry
07-24-2007, 11:04 AM
"If you can draw a portrait, you can draw anything"
-- Ilya Efimovich Repin (1844-1930)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Jul-2007/85439-Repin2.jpg

Repin (column on left has discussion of certain works)
http://www.rollins.edu/Foreign_Lang/Russian/frame3.html

Russian painting, Repin, and his role in "The Wanderers" (Society of Traveling Exhibitions).
http://www.rollins.edu/Foreign_Lang/Russian/travex.html

Some preliminary research links and images are in this thread :
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=431411


Palette Suggestions :
(this is my palette . . I mix the browns, greens, purples, etc.)

Flake White
Naples Yellow Hue
Bristol Yellow
Yellow Ochre
Transparent Red Oxide
Vermillion
Rose Madder
Brown Ochre
Raw Umber
Ultramarine Blue
Transparent Blue Oxide
Mars Black

I'll be offline August and some of September, moderator can sticky the thread then. Beginning my study now.

Cheers.

WV.Artistry
07-24-2007, 11:18 AM
Sketch #249 :
preliminary study of Repin's painting "Мужичок из робких",
charcoal and chalk
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c11/r601020/Sechteks/249.jpg

I don't speak the Russian language but in another forum we discussed

I pasted it into a translator. из робких means 'from shy'........no translation for Мужичок

Мужичок - The old meaning of it (Repin’s time) is - the country man of the lowest class.
из робких - Not from the brave kind of people.
Another word “A not really brave low class man”.
So I'm guessing this translates to an equivalent of the English phrase : "Humble Beggar".

I did the sketch in one sitting, getting a feel for it, and it needs edits, but I'm honored that someone requested it. Mailing it to England.

donn_granros
07-24-2007, 11:28 AM
!!! .. Consider yerself stuck.

On a side note, Minneapolis is home to the Russian Art Museum. I've been spending some time there as I like the 'painterly' work that is part of the museums collection. Not neccesarily big names but great work and in the end that matters more.

this will be an interesting thread.

WV.Artistry
07-24-2007, 11:48 AM
On a side note, Minneapolis is home to the Russian Art Museum.
http://www.tmora.org/events/soviet_breadbasket1.html

Looks good. Some of their paintings, i.e., "breadbasket exhibit" would be useful for understanding and comparing it to the palette and brushwork of Repin, and I see another exhibit is from a student of the Repin Institute. I'll be in NYC in August, and hope to see the Repin at the Met -- will find a cyber cafe and post observations.

Here in Scottsdale . . a many thanks for endless hours of conversation and books. One of my favorite galleries.
http://www.galleryrussia.com/

donn_granros
07-24-2007, 12:30 PM
I've grown quite fond of the Russian painters. The work I've seen at the Russian Museum is really good (The Tomato pickers is my favorite) and there is typically a pretty heavy use of paint and decisive brushwork, not a lot of apparent nattering over details. Very nice indeed. It is my summer goal to work a little quicker, looser and with heavier amounts of paint. I attribute some of this to the Russians.

WV.Artistry
07-24-2007, 01:53 PM
I attribute some of this to the Russians.
Me too.

It's kindof the point of studying Repin . . a tree from which the branches come, like French Academy Ingres and Bouguereau finding Jacques-Louis David, pointing to Raphael, or Dutch masters to Caravaggio, Valesquez to Michelangelo, etc. A lot of people study Fechin for inspiration, with good reason, incredibly talented, but the influence is there in Fechin's work . . Repin is the source. I know, some people are saying, "Well duh!" Mentioned for those who don't know how influential Repin was, not only for Russian artists then, but on the world of fine art today.

I'm no expert on this, merely an observer and student in pursuit of my own mastery. But there is a looseness, and though some of it naturally comes from life studies, but there's an execution in this style of painting I admire. You say tomato, I say less muddling. At a glance, I could view this painting style as over-simplified to achieve the effect, but it appeals to me . . as representation of the training and dilligence behind it; well thought out, planned for, a procedure, and in a single brushstroke -- accomplish all that. There's nothing simple about it.

Well, that's about as lofty as I want to get :)

I'll do my study on 9"x12" russian linen, a partial study, focusing mostly of the portrait, toning the canvas with raw umber and whatever I'm drinking at the time.

WV.Artistry
07-25-2007, 08:47 PM
Using a calculator and software ruler, cropped the image for a partial study to fit on a 9"x12" canvas, desaturated image and cleaned up the black & white so I could see it a little better. I need glasses.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Jul-2007/85439-image002.jpg http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c11/r601020/Projects/image002c.jpg

I've used gridding in the past to help me get better proportions, but for this I'm using a freeware poster printing program, and with a little fuddling, printed out a 9"x12" image that I taped together. If you don't pay for the shareware program it prints "unregistered", but as is, works enough for the intial math . . printer ran out of ink just to make this challenging. Taped it to my drawing board . . sight to size.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c11/r601020/Projects/rv1b.jpg

WV.Artistry
07-25-2007, 10:38 PM
w/i/p : rough-in initial sketch and refine with modeling . .
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c11/r601020/Projects/rv1c.jpg http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c11/r601020/Projects/rv1d.jpg

WV.Artistry
07-26-2007, 03:55 PM
w/i/p : rough-in first coat of paint and refine . .

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c11/r601020/Projects/rv2a.jpg http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c11/r601020/Projects/rv2b.jpg

WV.Artistry
07-27-2007, 12:52 PM
w/i/p : second coat of paint

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c11/r601020/Projects/rv2c.jpg

WV.Artistry
07-28-2007, 04:32 PM
Study is going to Australia, which is a good thing, because I usually just throw my work in a pile to collect dust. Honored that someone would want my work.

Give or take a gazillion edits . . finis'

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c11/r601020/Projects/rv3a.jpg

Notes :

I used 8 paints . . and with a more experience, I could've done this study with 7 paints. Don't know if it's true, but I heard from a reputable source that Repin only had only 6 paints on his palette.

There was some brushwork I understood, and it felt more comfortable applying paint upward in direction. Whether or not he applied paint this way, I have no idea. I just seemed to be fighting the flow when I applied paint in a downward direction. There was some brushwork I didn't understand . . and well, it's Repin. And I'm not very talented re: copying.

Fibert and round felt more comfortable on flesh, bright or flat more comfortabl on drapery, possibly even hair. Maybe an occasional bit of palette knife, but not a lot. Interesting thing he did on the background, light blowing through the subject, but I could only guess on a lot because the original image is poor quality.

The study is difficult to photograph too.

Okay . . gotta catch a plane. Be offline for a month or so, but I might be able to find a cyber cafe now and then to look in. If anybody does a study : Cheers! Repin isn't easy to study, it's challenging, but there were some rewards in gaining a better understanding of my palette and brushes, and portraiture.

Smokin
08-10-2007, 06:29 PM
Awsome work Richard!! I have to grab some canvase and start my own :P.

Its too bad 99% of Repin's work is in Russia.

stoney
08-13-2007, 07:15 PM
Sketch #249 :
preliminary study of Repin's painting "Мужичок из робких",
charcoal and chalk
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c11/r601020/Sechteks/249.jpg

I don't speak the Russian language but in another forum we discussed


So I'm guessing this translates to an equivalent of the English phrase : "Humble Beggar".

I did the sketch in one sitting, getting a feel for it, and it needs edits, but I'm honored that someone requested it. Mailing it to England.



Olga's Gallery had this on the gentleman who was sketched; "Ilya Repin. A Shy Peasant. 1877"

WV.Artistry
08-14-2007, 07:37 AM
Thanks Frank . . I'm on the road through September, but I'll peek in now and then from a cyber cafe. Look forward to seeing your study.

Thanks Stoney.

The Misha
09-03-2007, 09:21 PM
Muzhichok literally means "a little man" but can be figuratively used for a fellow, a humble guy. etc. - not a beggar though. The flair of it all is, of course, lost in translation (I know, I AM a translator by trade). You have an amazing skill, and I am green with envy. Shutka (Joke).

stoney
09-03-2007, 10:10 PM
Muzhichok literally means "a little man" but can be figuratively used for a fellow, a humble guy. etc. - not a beggar though. The flair of it all is, of course, lost in translation (I know, I AM a translator by trade). You have an amazing skill, and I am green with envy. Shutka (Joke).

And some concepts/words don't translate well, if at all.

tj1358
09-03-2007, 10:47 PM
I read many of the posts but rarely comment. I've really enjoyed reading this thread and looking at your study. Excellent work

Keron
09-14-2007, 12:35 AM
Study is going to Australia, which is a good thing, because I usually just throw my work in a pile to collect dust. Honored that someone would want my work.

Give or take a gazillion edits . . finis'

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c11/r601020/Projects/rv3a.jpg

Notes :

I used 8 paints . . and with a more experience, I could've done this study with 7 paints. Don't know if it's true, but I heard from a reputable source that Repin only had only 6 paints on his palette.

There was some brushwork I understood, and it felt more comfortable applying paint upward in direction. Whether or not he applied paint this way, I have no idea. I just seemed to be fighting the flow when I applied paint in a downward direction. There was some brushwork I didn't understand . . and well, it's Repin. And I'm not very talented re: copying.

Fibert and round felt more comfortable on flesh, bright or flat more comfortabl on drapery, possibly even hair. Maybe an occasional bit of palette knife, but not a lot. Interesting thing he did on the background, light blowing through the subject, but I could only guess on a lot because the original image is poor quality.

The study is difficult to photograph too.

Okay . . gotta catch a plane. Be offline for a month or so, but I might be able to find a cyber cafe now and then to look in. If anybody does a study : Cheers! Repin isn't easy to study, it's challenging, but there were some rewards in gaining a better understanding of my palette and brushes, and portraiture.

NICE thread!!! Well done shows you process very effectively. Impressive. Keron
I checked out Repin on the ARC site. WOW, the guy was a monster. I don't believe I've ever seen a better rendition of grief and horror that his painnting of Ivan the Terrible clutching his dying son! ASTOUNDING!

WV.Artistry
09-19-2007, 04:07 PM
All . .

Thanks for browsing the thread, and comments. Sorry I haven't had more input, been on the road for a month-and-a-half.

stoney
09-19-2007, 09:47 PM
All . .

Thanks for browsing the thread, and comments. Sorry I haven't had more input, been on the road for a month-and-a-half.

No worries. I've barely started the drawing [a few weeks ago] and I've got to get back to it.

Just been busier than heck.

Smokin
10-05-2007, 06:12 PM
Well took me long enough to get back into drawing and painting, :P. Im trying out some new paint I have and just having a blast doing lil 6"x6" sketches. Getting the nerve to maybe try a larger one and take a lil more time with it.

Just a few thoughts on Repin here, he really had a nack for captureing a very stoic toughness of the Russian people I found very interesting. He strikes me as a value painter that does alot of monochromatic peices.

I have alot of images of Repins work, It seems like he's done many many many portraits and only a small fraction of his painting where full scenes or historical paintings which I found to be his most interesting work.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Oct-2007/65236-Repic-Sketching.jpg

stoney
10-05-2007, 09:06 PM
Well took me long enough to get back into drawing and painting, :P. Im trying out some new paint I have and just having a blast doing lil 6"x6" sketches. Getting the nerve to maybe try a larger one and take a lil more time with it.

Just a few thoughts on Repin here, he really had a nack for captureing a very stoic toughness of the Russian people I found very interesting. He strikes me as a value painter that does alot of monochromatic peices.

I have alot of images of Repins work, It seems like he's done many many many portraits and only a small fraction of his painting where full scenes or historical paintings which I found to be his most interesting work.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Oct-2007/65236-Repic-Sketching.jpg


Nicely done. Stoic. That was the term which escaped me.

tj1358
10-06-2007, 01:54 AM
These are fantastic! You really captured his style. When I was in college we did a series of portraits where we were only allowed a few colors - white, yellow ochre, alizarine crimson (?), ultramarine blue (?), cad orange and burnt sienna. To my recollection is was so close to the colors you have here. I don't remember the exact. Very earthy palette.

But you have captured the essence of his work. It's really a wonderful study:thumbsup:

stoney
10-06-2007, 07:53 PM
These are fantastic! You really captured his style. When I was in college we did a series of portraits where we were only allowed a few colors - white, yellow ochre, alizarine crimson (?), ultramarine blue (?), cad orange and burnt sienna. To my recollection is was so close to the colors you have here. I don't remember the exact. Very earthy palette.

But you have captured the essence of his work. It's really a wonderful study:thumbsup:

Making paint and what colours were available when.

http://www.paintmaking.com/history.htm

Smokin
10-07-2007, 05:20 PM
Cool, thx for the link and thank you two for the coments :).

WV.Artistry
10-10-2007, 12:28 AM
From preliminary research thread :
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=434462

This is an early painting by Repin, "Beggar Girl" or "Fisher Girl", and though larger images (and lower quality images) of this painting can be found, this one is probably the most believable in color.
http://www.virtualmuseum.ca/Exhibitions/Horizons/En/voy-a-188.html

I've been thinking about a partial study of this one :

http://www.virtualmuseum.ca/Exhibitions/Horizons/Images/Assets/irk12_d.jpg

WV.Artistry
10-10-2007, 12:32 AM
Decent little studies Frank, especially the girl.

WV.Artistry
10-10-2007, 09:53 PM
Crop for 8"x10" (20.32cm x 25.40cm) partial study

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c11/r601020/Projects/r2v1a.jpg

WV.Artistry
10-11-2007, 09:11 PM
Sketch #260 : a quick preliminary study

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c11/r601020/Sechteks/260.jpg

WV.Artistry
10-12-2007, 10:39 AM
w/i/p : rough-in turp sketch and tone canvas
9"x12" (22.86cm x 30.48cm) russian linen

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c11/r601020/Projects/r2v2a.jpg

WV.Artistry
10-12-2007, 03:28 PM
w/i/p : refine and mold sketch

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c11/r601020/Projects/r2v2b.jpg

IMNRTST
10-12-2007, 08:06 PM
I'm coming back after a long break from my brushes, looking forward to participating in these MOM threads again.

Nice work Richard. Your "Fisher Girl" is coming along great!

WV.Artistry
10-13-2007, 12:39 AM
Welcome back Mike .. join in if you can.

I never had much skill at copying, but I do give these an honest effort as a study.

WV.Artistry
10-13-2007, 03:13 PM
w/i/p rough-in first coat of paint

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c11/r601020/Projects/r2v3a.jpg

WV.Artistry
10-14-2007, 01:13 PM
At the moment I feel the more I work on this . . the worse it gets. I'll try to correct some blunders, but I don't think this is even going to resemble the original painting (sorry Repin).

w/i/p rough-in second coat of paint

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c11/r601020/Projects/r2v3b.jpg

tj1358
10-14-2007, 01:15 PM
I don't think it's worse - I like yours better. It has more character:thumbsup:

Smokin
10-15-2007, 12:32 PM
Very cool Richard! Doesn't look very off to me at all. Biggest difference between the OG pic I see is you colors are more intense his might be a bit more muted. I like the color more though myself.

You inspired me to try one last Repin, :
Sketch and blocked in BG so far 14x18.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Oct-2007/65236-StudyRepin_05.jpg
Here is the orginal slightly cropped:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Oct-2007/65236-StudyRepin_OG.jpg

WV.Artistry
10-15-2007, 01:16 PM
Frank . .

In the preliminary research thread, I point to some amateur photographs of Repin's work, and they are a lot brighter than the standard web museum pics . . which are muted. I have only seen a study of Repin by a deceased Soviet era artist, and though I couldn't say for sure whether it was copied from an original Repin, I'd guess it was, and it too was a lot brighter and crisp than web museum pics.

I would agree with your assessment that Repin was a value painter, and to boot, I've heard he used a limited palette. From my own problems with photography, I know "earthy" paintings are difficult to photograph, and value shifts are often dropped and crowded.

Anyway, I would suggest painting the studies with crisp colors, and consider these photographs on the net as poor representations.

Good choice for a study.

WV.Artistry
10-15-2007, 01:17 PM
Thanks for looking Anderson :)

Smokin
10-15-2007, 11:22 PM
First pass of color.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Oct-2007/65236-Image010.jpg

Thank for the advice Richard. Its always tough trying to judge colors from a monitor. I have three infront of me and each give off a different color, one too dark, one too light one yellowish :P. Then there is the uploads which vary even more than that.

stoney
10-15-2007, 11:39 PM
First pass of color.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Oct-2007/65236-Image010.jpg

Thank for the advice Richard. Its always tough trying to judge colors from a monitor. I have three infront of me and each give off a different color, one too dark, one too light one yellowish :P. Then there is the uploads which vary even more than that.

First pass....[gulp] Heh. That would be my third or fourth pass.

WV.Artistry
10-16-2007, 01:45 PM
Give or take a gazillion edits, corrects, and blunders . .

Second coat of paint.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c11/r601020/Projects/r2v3c.jpg

Smokin
10-17-2007, 11:30 AM
Wow Richard, thats looking amazing!:thumbsup:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Oct-2007/65236-Image006.jpg
lil update.

WV.Artistry
10-20-2007, 02:00 PM
Wow Richard, thats looking amazing!

Thanks Frank . . mailing it to Pennsylvania.

Nice lil' study of yours, sorry, been slow to comment, flu bug, almost better. Thanks for the PM. Might have time for one more partial study before the month ends.

WV.Artistry
11-06-2007, 09:43 PM
Well, it's been fun.

The research on Repin was challenging enough, so if you're able, please add to those links in the preliminary research thread, post #1 here. I'm sure in time, higher quality images of Repin's work will be on the web, and I'd like to see them.

And to those of you who participated in the MOM, or just browsed and learned a bit, salute! Repin is a challenging artist to study, but it made me a better artist for the effort.

Moderator can unsticky the thread.

Thanks.

stoney
11-07-2007, 12:18 AM
Well, it's been fun.

The research on Repin was challenging enough, so if you're able, please add to those links in the preliminary research thread, post #1 here. I'm sure in time, higher quality images of Repin's work will be on the web, and I'd like to see them.

And to those of you who participated in the MOM, or just browsed and learned a bit, salute! Repin is a challenging artist to study, but it made me a better artist for the effort.

Moderator can unsticky the thread.

Thanks.

I'm still working on the Repin 'peasent.' Its in its own thread, but here is the latest pic.

WV.Artistry
11-11-2007, 11:49 AM
I'm still working on the Repin 'peasent.'
Who yu callin peasent, Peasant?

;)

Much improved, and coming along . . keep at it, post your progress when you can Stoney. I'm offline for a few weeks, but I'll lurk from a cyber cafe now and again.

stoney
11-11-2007, 10:17 PM
Who yu callin peasent, Peasant?

;)

Much improved, and coming along . . keep at it, post your progress when you can Stoney. I'm offline for a few weeks, but I'll lurk from a cyber cafe now and again.

Thank you. Tomorrow, if it is dry, I'll hit it with a coat of Liquin. In class on Tuesday is when it will be worked on again. :wave:

Smokin
11-12-2007, 12:07 AM
Just came across this amazing site with tons of high res images and a good search engin.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%8F_%D0%95%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87_%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%B8%D0%BD

http://commons.wikimedia.org/ for short

stoney
11-12-2007, 12:12 PM
Just came across this amazing site with tons of high res images and a good search engin.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%8F_%D0%95%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87_%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%B8%D0%BD

http://commons.wikimedia.org/ for short

Way cool. Snarfed! :D

Grotius
11-14-2007, 01:54 AM
This is a very enjoyable thread. I've learned a lot about Repin from it. I'm looking forward to participating in the next MoM, which I gather will be a "wildcard" installment.

stoney
11-15-2007, 11:44 AM
This is a very enjoyable thread. I've learned a lot about Repin from it. I'm looking forward to participating in the next MoM, which I gather will be a "wildcard" installment.

Hmmmmmmmmmm. Sounds wild.... ;)

Grotius
11-15-2007, 11:51 PM
LoL, not that wild! I just mean that I recall reading that the next MoM feature would allow us to pick any Master. Is that still the plan? If so, I'm eager to get going. :)

stoney
11-16-2007, 09:07 PM
LoL, not that wild! I just mean that I recall reading that the next MoM feature would allow us to pick any Master. Is that still the plan? If so, I'm eager to get going. :)

I hadn't read anything about the next Master.

IMNRTST
11-16-2007, 09:10 PM
I too was also looking for the Nov/Dec MOM thread but it never showed up :confused:

stoney
11-16-2007, 09:38 PM
I too was also looking for the Nov/Dec MOM thread but it never showed up :confused:

Same here.

IMNRTST
11-17-2007, 05:14 PM
Does that mean this is the end of the MOM projects? Maybe a moderator can chime in here...

WV.Artistry
11-18-2007, 11:36 AM
Does that mean this is the end of the MOM projects? Maybe a moderator can chime in here...
From what I read in that planning thread, the last MOM was a do your own thing, so I'll jump in with a study if the thread opens . .

So go open it.

Suggestion : at the beginning of the thread, link to the master list of previous moms for ideas.

Grotius
11-18-2007, 05:09 PM
I'm a newb, so I'm reluctant to start a new thread on the MoM, but I'll do so if no one else steps up!

IMNRTST
11-18-2007, 09:23 PM
there we go ---->MOM#36 Wild Card ( http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=458737)

WV.Artistry
11-20-2007, 05:43 PM
there we go ---->MOM#36 Wild Card (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=458737)
Thanks Mike, I'm on the road . . see you there in December.

:wave: