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SammyH
07-10-2007, 10:52 AM
Hi Everybody,
Your posts have been interesting and informative. I'm eager to get going with OPs but am working on a fairly large colored pencil piece that I'd like to finish first.
However, I have a couple questions. :confused:
Dick Blick has a transparent Sennelier Op in their online catalog. What is the purpose of the transparent?
I have been experimenting with my new colour shapers and have noted that the colors do not wipe off easily. A little bit of mineral oil in a tiny plastic jar solved that problem. I dip the shaper in the oil and the colors wipe off very easily. :thumbsup:
Also, I plan to order a set of clay shapers in the near future. Do you think the #2 or #6 would be most useful? My next two paintings will be approximately 18"x24."
Thanks for any information you can provide.

LJW
07-10-2007, 11:38 AM
Sammy, I have a transparent Sennelier, but I don't use it. I thought it might work for blending, but I find it thins the colour too much for that purpose. I don't know about clay shapers - what are they like and where do you get them? I've only seen clay tools with metal ends designed to remove the clay. I have numbers 2, 6, and 10 Royal Sovereign firm colour shapers, but I rarely use the #10 since I usually paint less than 9" X 12". Jane

fishfan
07-10-2007, 12:07 PM
I just found a new use for the transparent Senn on the painting I'm currently working on. You can lay it on as a base to have the paper color (white in my case) show through when using the sgrafitto technique. It seems to work well for the brick work I need. I suppose if it was put over the entire paper, it would also be easier to scrape down for corrections without the paper absorbing any color. This makes a more "eraseable" painting without using any solvents.

SammyH
07-10-2007, 12:24 PM
Jane, the clay shapers look just like the colour shapers but with an even firmer tip and a darker gray color. They are also Royal Sovereign and can be found online at Dick Blick. Dick Blick sells them in sets of 5 or individually with the vinyl clay shaper on one end and a metal shaper on the other. I don't know if the metal would be useful with OP.
Ed, it seems that you found the Sennelier transparent will make a barrier between the paper and OP. Perhaps after I've had more experience with the medium I will find that useful.
Thanks to both of you.

LJW
07-10-2007, 01:17 PM
Sammy, I had a look at the sets at Dick Blick and I think that size 6 would be the best bet for your purposes. My colour shapers are all flat chisels, whereas in the set you'll get a pointed one which will do for filling in small areas. Jane

Pat Isaac
07-10-2007, 04:32 PM
Sammy, I too have a colorless blender, but like Jane never found it useful.I have firm color shapers and have a pointed one which I use a lot along with the chisel shapes. I tend to work large so the larger sizes work well for me and then there is the pointed one for little areas.
I haven't had any trouble cleaning them, but maybe the harder ones don't clean as easily. Nice tip with the oil.

Pat

SammyH
07-10-2007, 10:53 PM
Pat,
As I played with my new Holbeins today, I discovered that those colors easily wipe off the colour shapers. It was when using Caran D'ache that I had difficulty.
Thanks, everybody, for your help.

LJW
07-11-2007, 09:50 AM
Interesting Sammy. I hadn't had any trouble before with my Holbeins and Senneliers. But I just got some Caran d'ache and Cray Pas Specialist OPs and noticed staining of the colour shapers as well. Thanks for the cleaning tip. Jane

Eggy
07-11-2007, 10:04 AM
SammyH,
I could not agree with you more re: Caran D'ache.
Caran D'ache are too "solid" and they do make one feel bad-tempered ! Trying to use blenders with said brand is like swimming in treacle.
I do not like "chalky" pastels or "solid" ones....give me medium-soft squares anytime.
Kind regards,
Eggy

Pat Isaac
07-11-2007, 03:29 PM
Hmmm...haven't tried them with those OPs yet. Thanks for the heads up, Jane.

Pat