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Roger Evans
06-27-2007, 11:50 PM
Hi, all!

Been busy moving our business from Houston to Utopia and haven't picked up a brush since November (Waitin' on the Coffee). Thought I would start back up with a quick still life. Borrowed a friend's six shooter and set up some old lumber on the back patio in the setting sun. I'm painting this large (24x36) so I shot the image in sections with my digital Rebel and then welded them together in Photoshop for a super hi-rez reference photo.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Jun-2007/89662-metal_leather_wood_small.jpg

For a larger view, you can go to:

http://www.rogerevans.tv/leather_metal_wood.jpg

I've laid in the base color on the canvas but no outline yet. I'll (hopefully) be back tomorrow night with an update.

Nice to be back, everyone! I missed you all!

Roger

C_Line
06-28-2007, 12:01 AM
Welcome back Roger...I just know this is going to be a fascinating, educational thread.

chammi kaiser
06-28-2007, 04:40 AM
Wow Roger. I can't wait to see how you tackle this with all those glowing colours , reflections etc. It will be a real learning experience for me.

jan409
06-28-2007, 08:48 AM
Great work, Jan

Roger Evans
06-28-2007, 08:53 AM
Thanks everyone. I have a lot of business related items to deal with today but I'm trying to set aside the afternoons and evenings for painting. I'll try to document each step as I go like I did on my last WIP.

Roger

misterC
06-28-2007, 09:00 AM
Looking forward to seing this develop

Andy

Paulafv
06-28-2007, 09:15 AM
Great shadows and highlights. Should make a wonderful painting.

idcrisis55
06-28-2007, 09:33 AM
I like the composition of your set up Roger. I'm looking forward to watching the developments of the painting.

SunsetSue
06-28-2007, 10:54 AM
Interesting composition Roger. I remember Waiting on the Coffee and am looking forward to watching you develop this one. Welcome back!

TxAggieDarlin
06-28-2007, 11:19 AM
Well? Get to work LOL...This is going to be great

screechin
06-28-2007, 11:44 AM
Cool! You're back!! I was just wondering if we were ever going to hear from you again!! I really like the reference photo. Great subject and composition. I can't wait to see this progress. Welcome back!!:clap:

Charlie's Mum
06-28-2007, 01:23 PM
Wondered where you'd got to!
The set-up looks good - I'm sure the painting will be too :D

Roger Evans
06-28-2007, 10:44 PM
Okay, not much to look at but I managed to get about a half hour today. I started laying in the grain. Obviously this is not the final. I still need to establish the darker tones in the grain, shadows, highlights, etc. But this is where I'm at.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Jun-2007/89662-gun_small_001.jpg

The hard part for a detail nut like me is keeping in mind that the viewer will never see the reference photo so I don't have to duplicate every freakin' streak of grain that I see. So I tried to loosen up a bit and just concentrate on retaining the general feel of raw wood without getting bogged down in minutia. I will feel a lot better about this after I get the darks and highlights in. Now, off to watch the last episode of Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip (sniff....) :crying:

Roger

edtree
06-29-2007, 10:34 AM
This is going to be great, Roger! What a great reference you've put together; it will make an outstanding painting! Love the woodgrain you've got down already. I'll be checking back as this progresses :)

Elizabeth

N.Wiley
06-29-2007, 10:52 AM
This is the kind of thing I would love to learn to paint. Could ya do a detailed tutorial on it ? :wink2: :angel: :heart:

*Violet*
06-29-2007, 05:10 PM
great reference photo ... great start ... *pulling up a chair* ...

Roger Evans
06-30-2007, 01:15 AM
Okey-dokey.

Managed to squeeze in another hour on the beast. Started laying in my shadows and punched up some of the highlights on the grain.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Jun-2007/89662-gun_small_002.jpg

Looks kinda odd at at this stage because I'm working my way from the background forward, so some of the shadows sort of just "end" with no real relationship to anything yet. Tomorrow I should get the gun and holster blocked in and then it will make more sense.

Roger

*Violet*
06-30-2007, 03:05 AM
it *is* interesting to see this approach ... anyone else begin with the shadows? ...

Einion
06-30-2007, 03:09 AM
Hi Roger, looking forward to seeing how this develops, thanks for the SBS.

I'm painting this large (24x36) so I shot the image in sections with my digital Rebel and then welded them together in Photoshop for a super hi-rez reference photo.
If you do this much, interested in a program that'll do the work for you?

Einion

Andun
06-30-2007, 03:12 AM
Good to see your stuff again Roger.Hope the move wasn't too painful.This is shaping up to be a humdinger of a wip:)

Roger Evans
06-30-2007, 09:48 AM
If you do this much, interested in a program that'll do the work for you?

Einion

What programs are you referring to? I know there are several, such as the basic PhotoStitch software that comes with the Rebel. However, sometimes I prefer to do it in Photoshop manually but I'm always interested in something that will save time if it does as good a job.

Roger

C_Line
06-30-2007, 11:24 AM
This is going to be another good WIP Roger.

Einion
06-30-2007, 03:27 PM
What programs are you referring to?
I used to use Panorama Tools, which often worked really well and was fun to use, but it's been blown out of the water now by Autostitch (http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~mbrown/autostitch/autostitch.html) which may be the best software of its type ever (see the licensing info, you'll see what I mean).

Einion

Roger Evans
06-30-2007, 09:14 PM
Got a couple of hours in today. Put in the base colors and linework. Looks kinda cartoony but getting there.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Jun-2007/89662-gun_small_003.jpg

Hopefully this makes a bit more sense, now. :)

Roger

edtree
06-30-2007, 10:52 PM
Wow! The perspective is fantastic and those shadows are perfect! It's looking great!!! :thumbsup:

Elizabeth

gaykir
07-01-2007, 09:07 AM
I'd be happy even if I do just do the wood as well as you have it to this point - never mind the finished project! You are amazing.

Roger Evans
07-01-2007, 04:27 PM
Got into the studio late, today. But manged to bang out the holster in a couple of hours.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jul-2007/89662-gun_small_004.jpg

A larger version can be found here:

http://www.rogerevans.tv/gun_wip_004_large.jpg

On to the belt and bullets. The shiny stuff will be fun but I live in fear of the ornate belt carvings in the leather. :eek:

Roger

Charlie's Mum
07-01-2007, 05:17 PM
Thanks for the enlargement Roger - the leather looks super!
What do you use for the drawing/linework?

Roger Evans
07-01-2007, 05:26 PM
Thanks for the enlargement Roger - the leather looks super!

Thanks!


What do you use for the drawing/linework?

My trusty Sharpie! ;)

Roger

whitelion
07-01-2007, 09:15 PM
Roger, I'd be interested in knowing how you apply the paint in creating these outstanding images. In other words, do you use a stiff brush and scrub the paint in or do you use a soft brush and glaze the paint on? Or do you do some combination of these methods or some technique that falls between the two extremes? Do you use thick opaque paint and cover your base painting in one or a few layers or do you use thin semi-transparent paint and apply multiple glazes? Do you thin your paint with any particular medium or mediums or do you just use water? Or do you maybe not thin it at all? Any answers to these questions which you would be willing to supply (or anything else you think might be helpful to a struggling painter ) would be greatly appreciated and put to immediate good use. Thanks, Alan

Roger Evans
07-01-2007, 09:17 PM
A few more hours on the dang deal. Wrapped up the bullets and bullet holders (whatever they're called).

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jul-2007/89662-gun_small_005.jpg

Bullets were fun. Lots of sparkles and reflections.

Larger version can be seen here:

http://www.rogerevans.tv/gun_wip_005_large.jpg

Next is the belt and belt buckle.....

Roger

Roger Evans
07-01-2007, 09:59 PM
Roger, I'd be interested in knowing how you apply the paint in creating these outstanding images. In other words, do you use a stiff brush and scrub the paint in or do you use a soft brush and glaze the paint on? Or do you do some combination of these methods or some technique that falls between the two extremes? Do you use thick opaque paint and cover your base painting in one or a few layers or do you use thin semi-transparent paint and apply multiple glazes? Do you thin your paint with any particular medium or mediums or do you just use water? Or do you maybe not thin it at all? Any answers to these questions which you would be willing to supply (or anything else you think might be helpful to a struggling painter ) would be greatly appreciated and put to immediate good use. Thanks, Alan

Hi, Alan!

Gosh, I dunno where to begin. I don't really give much thought to my painting process while I'm doing it but I'll give it a try.

I typically prime the canvas grey and not white so that I'm starting from a medium tone. That way anything I add won't look too light or too dark. I sketch my outlines in pencil and then lay in base colors of particular objects. I then let that dry and sketch in the details pretty exactly with pencil, which I then go over with a Sharpie. Some people cringe when they see the Sharpie lines because they fear the Sharpie will bleed through the paint but, in reality, that is what I depend on. I find that the Sharpie will remain visible until I get near the finishing coats and then the Sharpie gets covered. This is convenient because one thing I hate is having to constantly retrace my reference lines over and over again. The Sharpie remains visible just long enough and then is covered in the final stages of painting where I no longer need the reference lines. I tend to use very little water and prefer to dry brush the paint into place. If there are large areas that require coverage, then obviously I will use water but, in general, I prefer to mix as overlapping dry layers and not a single wet layer. I tend to lay in my shadows first and then the highlights, since white seems to be more opaque. I then might go back over the highlights with a bit of black drybrush to tone them down so they appear to be part of the fabric of the painting and not sitting on top of the canvas. I work my way from the background forward and then make final adjustments to tone with drybrushed black and white here and there.

Not very scientific but it works for me!

Roger

edtree
07-01-2007, 10:06 PM
WoW! Outstanding progress! :D

Thanks for sharing your methods. I like the idea of the gray canvas. I'm going to try that next time.

Elizabeth

Roger Evans
07-03-2007, 02:31 AM
Work's been keeping me pretty busy but I snuck in a few more hours this evening and finished the gun belt.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Jul-2007/89662-gun_small_007.jpg

A larger version can be seen here:

http://www.rogerevans.tv/gun_wip_006_large.jpg

The ornate tooling on the leather was a real headache. :confused:

I still have the buckle to do behind the gun and then I get to do lots of metal. Ack! Straight lines!

Roger

*Violet*
07-03-2007, 02:59 AM
fabulous ... and you're making it look easy !! ... even that tooling ....

misterC
07-03-2007, 03:45 AM
Looking great ... and very interesting process.

Thanks for sharing,
Andy

C_Line
07-03-2007, 07:21 AM
Wow, the leather tooled area is great.

Assaf
07-03-2007, 08:00 AM
Wow. The detailed work is so beautiful. You must be tired. I also like the composition a lot.

Roger Evans
07-03-2007, 09:03 AM
Thanks, all! Tomorrow's a holiday and we're throwing a 4th of July picnic for my employees (assuming it doesn't rain) so I don't know how much I'll get done over the next two days. I'll post the next addition as soon as I can!

Roger

Roger Evans
07-03-2007, 09:15 AM
I realized that we haven't had a wide view of the painting since the beginning. Thought it might be interesting to see the current status.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Jul-2007/89662-gun_small_008.jpg

As always, a larger version can be seen here:

http://www.rogerevans.tv/gun_wip_008_large.jpg

Roger

Jackie339
07-03-2007, 11:05 AM
You rock Roger!!!!

Lady Carol
07-03-2007, 02:02 PM
Roger, totally amazing the way this is progressing. But then of course I knew whatever you put your hand to wouldn't fail to please.

edtree
07-03-2007, 02:08 PM
WoW! So good! Thanks for the closeup too! :D

Elizabeth

1100ww
07-03-2007, 03:21 PM
Roger, this is great. I also love to block in simple areas of value, then overlay detail. I'm always amazed at how well this technique works. Like you mentioned the "cartooney" stage...well, I always question what I'm doing at that point (even though I know the process), because it looks funny. But when you start layering shadows and highlights, it's such a transformation!

You are doing an awesome job; can't wait to see the next steps!

Roger Evans
07-04-2007, 01:10 AM
Not much of a change but I finished the belt buckle and I also added a bit of bluish highlights to the bullets. Very subtle but it will tie with the gun later on because I am going to enhance the gun metal blue tones of the firearm to contrast with the warm tones of the leather and wood. Having the bluish reflections along with the gold and white reflections in the bullets helps to tie it all together (or at least in theory!)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Jul-2007/89662-gun_small_009.jpg

Larger version is here:

http://www.rogerevans.tv/gun_wip_009_large.jpg

Nite, all.....

Roger

howyadoin
07-04-2007, 05:33 AM
This looks phenomenal so far. I even thought it looked great in the cartoony stage.

Great attention to detail, too. Those blue highlights on the bullets already add so much.

snirody
07-04-2007, 06:56 AM
Roger, just one question:

Do you think, that to get to your *advanced* technique, one's drawing skills are essential? I mean, are you just as good at drawing? I'm asking this because your Sharpie lines look real straight and well-formed, so I'm wondering how much I should practice before I try a Sharpie on my canvases. Do you draw with a grid on the canvas?

And just one comment : Your work is phenomenal. Truly phenomenal.


Regards,
Sneha

laudesan
07-04-2007, 08:09 AM
Wow oh wow looks awesome.

The bullets and the ammunition belt, that stitching, the holster, the leather. Oh man!!!

Roger Evans
07-04-2007, 01:19 PM
howydoin: Thanks. The cartoon stage is always a weird thing. Full of doubts and indecision. The blue highlights were sort of a spontaneous thing that I decided after finishing the cool blue tones of the belt buckle.

snirody: I am a graphite freak and love pencil drawing. I haven't posted any of my drawings on the forum yet but I'm working on a collection. I pretty much work in dry brush all the time so I'm sort of "drawing" even when I'm painting. Being able to draw and see proportion is a definate plus in doing detail work but also when trying to judge the placement of grey tones and shadows, etc.

laudesan: "Wow oh wow" is a really nice compliment, considering the quailty of your own work. I've seen your paintings so I am humbled by your praise. I am not worthy.

Back to the 4th 'o July nonsense!

Roger

laudesan
07-04-2007, 08:50 PM
laudesan: "Wow oh wow" is a really nice compliment, considering the quailty of your own work. I've seen your paintings so I am humbled by your praise. I am not worthy.Hey you are much much more experienced than I..:clap:

Margaret 59
07-04-2007, 11:24 PM
Just catching up with this thread as I've been away, and am fascinated again by the detail in all of it, Roger. Is a "sharpie" a felt pen? It looks fantastic anyway!

Andun
07-05-2007, 12:55 AM
Holy smokes kemo sabe:eek:
I can't believe that is acrylic paint.I can't even take a photo that beautiful!!!:thumbsup:

CreativeHal
07-05-2007, 12:40 PM
Hiya Roger,
Welcome back. This image already has winner written on it. I love the composition...but that lighting is incredible. Looking forward to see the finished painting.

Hal

LavenderFrost
07-05-2007, 07:52 PM
Great reference photo, and I can see that the painting will be wonderful. Thanks for taking the time to share your methods with us. Looks like I need to get a sharpie, because I'm always losing my lines.

Roger Evans
07-06-2007, 12:19 AM
Okay, another long day at work but I managed to get in a couple of hours this evening. Here's a step-by-step on the metalwork of the gun.

First I lay in my base color. I want to enhance the gun metal blue of the pistol.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Jul-2007/89662-gun_small_010a.jpg

Then I go over that with white to tone it down.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Jul-2007/89662-gun_small_010b.jpg

Then I drybrush in my darker tones as a starting point.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Jul-2007/89662-gun_small_010c.jpg

Then I start finishing off the metal-work, beginning with the barrel.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Jul-2007/89662-gun_small_010d.jpg

Still have a ways to go. A larger version can be see here:

http://www.rogerevans.tv/gun_barrel.jpg

I should get this bad boy finished tomorrow night, with any luck.

Roger

Andun
07-06-2007, 12:24 AM
I am in awe:)

howyadoin
07-06-2007, 12:59 AM
Roger, you really make that look easy.

Café LoLa
07-06-2007, 01:54 AM
Roger, can you tell us what colours you used for the gun metal part? it's FANTASTIC!

laudesan
07-06-2007, 03:45 AM
what colour did you use for the barrel??

composerp
07-06-2007, 04:11 AM
Wow, really enjoying this. Great job!

Paul
Composerp

Roger Evans
07-06-2007, 09:03 AM
laudesan & Café LoLa: I used Cerulean Blue, right out of the tube. Then I overlaid Titanium white as a loose wash. I purposely did not want an even coating of the blue nor the white because this light, metalic blue tone needed to reveal itself as imperfections in the metal; scoring, scratches, etc. Had I smoothed it on evenly, the gun would have a very polished and airbrushed look. This is similar to how I do bluejeans in paintings, where I want a certain amount of "scratch" to drybush against.

Here's a wider view of the painting so far:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Jul-2007/89662-gun_small_011.jpg

Larger version is here, which gives a better idea of the shadows and lighting working together than the cropped version:

http://www.rogerevans.tv/gun_barrel_2.jpg

Off to work, guys!

See you this evening!

Roger

gaykir
07-06-2007, 10:33 AM
I am continually blown away by your work! It leaves me speechless.

Charlie's Mum
07-06-2007, 05:21 PM
Your attention to detail and finish is quite remarkable........ actually, I'm at a loss for words!

It's just - super! :D

Roger Evans
07-07-2007, 02:41 AM
Welllll. I didn't finish tonight. Late start. But I did get more of the gun finished.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Jul-2007/89662-gun_small_012.jpg

Larger version is here:

http://www.rogerevans.tv/gun_large.jpg

Sleepy. Going to bed, now.....

Roger

idcrisis55
07-07-2007, 10:52 AM
Your workmanship is superb! The bullet cylinder/chamber (whatever it is called) looks so realistic. I've been sitting here studying the way you painted the bullets and the belt too.

Roger Evans
07-07-2007, 11:06 AM
Your workmanship is superb!


Thanks! Anything that has straight, machined edges is always a toughy. My next painting will have lots of trees.....


The bullet cylinder/chamber (whatever it is called) looks so realistic. I've been sitting here studying the way you painted the bullets and the belt too.

Just for you, here's an extreme close up:

http://www.rogerevans.tv/gun_cu.jpg

Enjoy!

Roger

idcrisis55
07-07-2007, 11:13 AM
Thanks Roger! :)

whitelion
07-07-2007, 01:24 PM
Hi Roger, Thanks for responding to my previous question with a detailed description of your working methods. After reading your description and following the development of this painting I understand your approach. If you don't mind answering one more question, what kind of brushes do you use?

Thanks, Alan

Roger Evans
07-07-2007, 01:48 PM
Hi Roger, Thanks for responding to my previous question with a detailed description of your working methods. After reading your description and following the development of this painting I understand your approach. If you don't mind answering one more question, what kind of brushes do you use?

I prime in grey with a #24. I then lay in large areas of base colors with a #10 and the do all my detail work with a #1 and #6 brush. Oddly enough, I find that I do quite a lot of fine detail work like tiny straight lines with a #10 brush. I can flatten it out to an edge and it makes a more consistant straight line than a tiny #1 brush. I have a lot of other brushes that sort of just hang out in the tall vase with my four primary brushes but these extra brushes are just for show, I guess, because I never really use them. Kind of like a drummer with a lot of extra cymbals and drums around him that he never uses but looks cool to the audience. :smug:

Roger

Roger Evans
07-07-2007, 06:26 PM
Whew! Finished all the metalwork on the pistol. Now all I have left is the handle and the two bullets!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Jul-2007/89662-gun_small_013.jpg

Larger version is here:

http://www.rogerevans.tv/gun_large_013.jpg

Roger

Alison2
07-07-2007, 06:30 PM
Wow Roger, my jaw is on the floor! Just found this thread and read it through - what amazing work!

Thank you so much for sharing it and in all these wonderful stages. I am agog!

Looking forward to the rest and to seeing much more of your work.

Alison2:wave:

1100ww
07-07-2007, 10:29 PM
It's been really great watching the progress on this. Thanks for sharing. It's beautiful.

txrembrandt
07-07-2007, 10:47 PM
I love the way you are showing this. Thanks a bunch. I need to learn how to do metal like that. I have lots of cowboy guns and leather work and getting it to look like that would be a lift to my art. Thanks again!

Christer
07-07-2007, 11:44 PM
Very, very impressive, really like the different textures.

Chris

laudesan
07-08-2007, 12:10 AM
Pistol look awesome..

meganj
07-08-2007, 04:24 AM
Roger, what you do is magic! When you say dry brush, do you mean just that you don't mix anyting else with the paint? I don't see how you get such sharp edges using a drybrush technique?

Roger Evans
07-08-2007, 09:16 AM
Roger, what you do is magic! When you say dry brush, do you mean just that you don't mix anyting else with the paint? I don't see how you get such sharp edges using a drybrush technique?

Drybrush means that I put paint on the brush but no water and then I use a spare canvas to work off any excess paint. That leaves just the barest of pigment on the brush to smudge around. It really becomes kind of like using a charcol stick. I use the paint like normal with water for edging and large, dense areas of color, black or white. But I will also blend those areas into drybrushed areas if I need a transition. A lot of people might do that as a wet blend but I find that wet blending often robs the painting of interesting texture that occurs naturally. You are then forced to go in on top of this smooth blend and introduce texture artificially, which is much harder to do. Letting the weave of the canvas do the work for you ala drybrushing/blending is much easier and always produces some interesting textures that are hard (for me, anyway) to imagine up on my own. To say that I have a lot of control in my painting process would be an exageration of sorts. I am simply a witness to many happy accidents that I then zealously take credit for later. :o

Roger

Lady Carol
07-08-2007, 09:48 AM
Just impressive, Roger. I love watching you paint.

edtree
07-08-2007, 09:53 AM
:wave: I'm absolutely lovin' it, Roger! WoW! The look of the steel is so perfect. I'll bet you're getting anxious with only two bullets to go! :clap: :clap: :clap:

Elizabeth

Roger Evans
07-08-2007, 03:06 PM
Okay, it's all finished but since this thread is now pretty long, I posted the completed painting in a different thread:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5831478#post5831478

Roger

pix
07-09-2007, 07:02 AM
HI Roger,
This painting strucked me and i am inspired.
Cant thank u enough for your wip which is very educative and informative to me. learnt so much.
thanks.:)