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LJW
06-21-2007, 12:06 PM
I just read the annoucement posting (I don't think I've ever read one before) to discover that the people who run the NorthLight Book Club and publish the Pastel Journal etc. are taking over Wet Canvas. I hope they won't make major changes, since I think WC functions very well as is. I have been a member of their bookclub for many years and in that regard have found them good to deal with. I gather from some earlier discussions about the Pastel Journal that oil pastels don't get much or any attention there. There is a questionnaire that you can fill out that doen't list OPs separately as a medium, so I filled the other category with oil pastel. We may need to make our presence known. Jane

Rose Queen
06-21-2007, 12:50 PM
...We may need to make our presence known.

Please do; there's a survey right here you can take, which allows room for your comments: http://www.artistsmagazine.com/video/tam_tv.asp?showid=115333



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AnnieA
06-21-2007, 01:23 PM
Thanks, Jane! I would have missed it if you hadn't pointed it out. Here's a direct link to the WC announcement: http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=428067&s=

And a direct link to the Artist Magazine website page welcoming WC: http://www.artistsmagazine.com/ (the survey link is on that page)

I took your advice, Jane, on adding OPs under "Other" in the media question, and also added something in the comments section at the end. Here's what I wrote:

Don't forget the oil pastel artists! (You didn't list oil pastel in your question about media.) OPs are gaining in popularity and there is a WC forum dedicated just to them: http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=148

Pat Isaac
06-21-2007, 05:30 PM
Thanks, Jane. I knew about this, but it became open to everyone now. I made our presence known and I thank all of you also.

Pat

hopalong
06-23-2007, 11:02 AM
Will a corporation have as much personal interest in our community? Will WC be plastered with more ads that we have? We will just have to wait and see how this shakes out. Was WC formerly run and a not-for-profit? If yes, I'm sure we are in for my huge changes. I guess my biggest worry, is that WC will turn into a money making engine for the company and loose its small town feel.

Rose Queen
06-23-2007, 11:35 AM
Will a corporation have as much personal interest in our community? Will WC be plastered with more ads that we have? We will just have to wait and see how this shakes out. Was WC formerly run and a not-for-profit? If yes, I'm sure we are in for my huge changes. I guess my biggest worry, is that WC will turn into a money making engine for the company and loose its small town feel.
As I understand it, WetCanvas has been fortunate in both its initial founder Scott and its subsequent owner Kerri, who had the means to keep it running. If it has been non-profit, it was not by intent!

I find it interesting that often those who fret the most when WetCanvas goes offline for a few hours or changes ownership are never subscribers to the site (and I am delighted to see, hopalong, that you are -- thank you for your contributions!). It's had its name-your-own-subscription feature for a long time and members can donate whatever they can afford. In 2002, Scott posted that WetCanvas had over a terabyte of traffic per month, which then cost about $5,000, plus all the tens of thousands of dollars of hardware it runs on, all of which came out of his pocket. The cost can only have climbed dramatically in the subsequent five years.

I think we've gotten a bit complacent about "free" content on the internet. Ain't none of it free; it's just free to us. Be assured that somebody's paying for it and those somebodies are the site owners and the advertisers. How long would any of us be willing or able to keep something that cost $5K a month online so that other people could enjoy it 'free?'



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hopalong
06-25-2007, 08:41 AM
Yes, I agree with you about the fee content issues. But at the same time, the diversity of people involved with wet canvas comes mainly from its all inclusive feel. Yes, I do pay to belong and support WC. But just because i can afford it, does not mean other's can. I'd really hate for it to become an exclusive club.
In our city (Chicago) there is a wonderful radio station that was family owned for many years. It was sold about 10 years ago and the format changed. It is a classical music station (WFMT) and the new owners added pre recorded jingles to the ad mix and people cried out long and hard. After this experience, the station added a member's club sort of thing and quickly added a subscription drive 2 x a year to fill in the gaps created by limiting their programming to announcer read copy only. The station thrives because the membership really owns the station. They have a powerful say so in how it is run...thier opinions are regularly solicited and the station's survival depends not only on advertising but on its member subscription drives.
If you are concerned about the survival of Wet Canvas financially, another alternative to adding more ads might be to ask the membership what it wants. Would they rather pay a small amount of money for membership or have a significant increase in ad content. I'd very much prefer the second alternative and keep it so that people can join even it they can't afford to pay.

hopalong
06-25-2007, 08:43 AM
REgular remindes might be necessary to keep the expenses covered...Sorry I forgot to make thisclear
Right now it is a very low profile thing to pay for membership

Pat Isaac
06-25-2007, 08:54 AM
Yes, it is very low profile right now and I'm not sure everyone knows that you can contribute a small amount to keep it going, but I agree that I would not want it to be an exclusive club and would want anyone to feel that they could be members here.

Pat

LJW
06-25-2007, 10:10 AM
When I joined WC, I wasn't clear about the voluntary membership contribution that you could make. After I had been a member for a while, I noticed the bars for bronze, silver, and gold that some members had and looked into their significance. I felt it worthwhile to make a contribution, because I have learned so much here and I get to see artist's paintings that I would not otherwise be able to see. While it's great to go to galleries to see the work of masters, I always feel intimidated knowing that I can never achieve that level of proficiency. It's far more encouraging to see the work of others at various stages of artistic development, and to converse with artists who know the long learning curve involved. Receiving critiques helps the process of learning, and the only other way to have that happen would be to take a course which I would have to pay for. I like the idea that members don't HAVE to pay a fee, for as Lindsay points out, our ability to pay varies a great deal. I feel that the benefits I receive are certainly worth a contribution, and will be upping my contribution this year. Being a member of WC has helped me immeasurably over the last year and a half, and I do hope that it will continue to operate as it has before despite the new management. Jane

hopalong
06-25-2007, 11:59 AM
Jane, great minds think alike....and by the way,you are one of the people I have learned a great deal from!!I too upped my subscription this year because I really love this place and for all the reasons you have stated. Ithink making an annual or bi annual appeal to members to join and even submit testimonials would be very helpful in generating revenue and creating more community. Just making it more visible and explaining why it is necessary would be, I think, just what's needed.

Rose Queen
06-25-2007, 01:09 PM
And thank you, Pat and Jane, for being supporting members!



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Anne Hevener
06-25-2007, 03:30 PM
Hello. I'm the editor of The Pastel Journal, and I'd like to chime in with a quick note of introduction, and let you know how excited I am about the addition of WC! to the F+W family. I look forward to visiting with you in this Forum, and will definitely be an ear for pastel and oil pastel enthusiasts!

I'm happy to report, too, that membership to WC! will remain free of charge, and there are no plans in the works for sweeping changes to the site. We view our role as that of "steward" and look forward to watching this creative community continue to flourish!

AnnieA
06-25-2007, 03:38 PM
Hello. I'm the editor of The Pastel Journal, and I'd like to chime in with a quick note of introduction, and let you know how excited I am about the addition of WC! to the F+W family. I look forward to visiting with you in this Forum, and will definitely be an ear for pastel and oil pastel enthusiasts!

I'm happy to report, too, that membership to WC! will remain free of charge, and there are no plans in the works for sweeping changes to the site. We view our role as that of "steward" and look forward to watching this creative community continue to flourish!


Welcome to WC, Anne! :wave: It's nice to meet you! Thanks so much for dropping by to visit the Oil Pastel Forum and for your reassurances that WC will continue to be the welcoming community that has made it such a wonderful place for all artists! :)

Pat Isaac
06-25-2007, 04:20 PM
Welcome, Anne and we look forward to your support and involvemnt in WC. This had been such a friendly, encouraging and supportive group of artists. I was so happy to find this place when a friend told me about an oil pastel forum. There are no OP artists in my area and this was a boon for me.

Pat

LJW
06-25-2007, 04:35 PM
Welcome and thanks, Anne, for the reassurances. I found out about oil pastels here in the oil pastel forum. I had tried various media before that, but have found oil pastels to be the perfect medium for the way I want to paint. I have learned so much here that I couldn't learn otherwise. Being in touch with artists at varying stages in their careers from around the world is a such a creative boost. Jane

hopalong
06-25-2007, 04:50 PM
Hello. I'm the editor of The Pastel Journal, and I'd like to chime in with a quick note of introduction, and let you know how excited I am about the addition of WC! to the F+W family. I look forward to visiting with you in this Forum, and will definitely be an ear for pastel and oil pastel enthusiasts!

I'm happy to report, too, that membership to WC! will remain free of charge, and there are no plans in the works for sweeping changes to the site. We view our role as that of "steward" and look forward to watching this creative community continue to flourish!



Hi Anne and I'm very happy to meet you and to hear you are committed to maintaining the friendly atmosphere here at WC. I'm also glad to hear you are supportive of oilies. We tend to get dissed and overlooked. This forum is the place where I first received support and help with ops. In just this last year, everyone here has really helped me to become a stronger artist. We are a small but mighty forum!! I look forward to hearing from you again! What media do you like to work in?

fishfan
06-25-2007, 06:16 PM
Very low profile, indeed. I had no idea that payment for support of WC was an option. I just assumed that advertisers covered the expenses. Now I've found it under Member Services. Thanks.

AnnieA
06-25-2007, 07:15 PM
We are a small but mighty forum!!

Hehe...love that, Lindsay! :)

Anne: I wanted to add that I, too, have learned such a tremendous amount here at WC, especially in the Pastel Forum, and even more especially here in the OP Forum. People are so generous with their time and thoughts and experience. I consider myself very lucky to have found this special place.

It really is amazing how versatle the OP medium can be. I don't know how familiar you are with them, but to begin to get an idea of the wide range of artistic possibilities for the OP medium, you might want to take a look (if you have time) at the 2007 Oil Pastel Society Show, "Emerging," that just recently went up online. It's here: http://www.oilpastelsociety.com/2007Show/emerginginfo.htm (Be sure to click on the links to see all three pages.)

Deborah Christenson Secor was the juror for the show, and our own Pat Isaac won second place, while two other WC OP Forum regulars, fishfan and Sandy Kim, won honorable mention; quite a few of our other Forum members entered pieces that certainly must have been strong contenders. (Not a bad showing for WC, eh? :D)

You must be really busy with all that this new endeavor entails, not to mention your regular duties at the PJ, but I do hope you'll be able to come back and visit us again soon! :)

Anne Hevener
06-28-2007, 05:49 PM
Thanks for the warm welcome, all. I'm already feeling helped and guided because I hadn't seen the results of the Oil Pastels show. That was fun! I imagine Deborah did some sweating during the judging ... always so tough!! Congrats to all the WC! folks in the show. :clap:
Love those pears, Pat!

Pat Isaac
06-28-2007, 06:39 PM
Thanks so much, Anne. I'm glad you liked the show.

Pat