PDA

View Full Version : Tips on using Velour please?


annj
06-06-2007, 01:21 AM
Hi all

I'll be picking up a pad of velour paper I have on order in a few days. I know it's going to be very different than my normal support of Colourfix or Mi-Teintes.

Would you have any tips/suggestions on the best way to approach this new paper? What sort of subjects work best on it? What are it's strengths/pitfalls. What types of pastels work best on it - hardish or softish?

I'm on a low income and this is an expensive investment, so I don't want to waste too much of the paper on early mistakes, if I can avoid them :-)

Thanks in advance!

PatrickHedges
06-06-2007, 03:49 AM
The best advice I can give you is get hold of this book - my library has it (and it is so good, I do too now, courtesy of Amazon)

Painting Animals that touch the heart - Lesley Harrison

IMO, it is magnificent and worth scrimping and saving for, if the library doesn't have it. It's right down your street too being very horsey and wild animalsy :lol: Google her, you'll see what I mean

Just about every example she gives is on velour and they are all magnificent.

Other than that, all I've found here in Adelaide (coz the supplier to lots of stores has dropped it) is black velour paper and that's a bit limited. I find it easy to work on and nicer than colourfix. I may have to order the stuff too as i want to try out the other colours.

annj
06-06-2007, 06:01 AM
Thanks Patrick.

You're kind of spooky though - I've just been trying to get that book through Amazon - for some reason they don't want to send it to my address... dunno why! It's very frustrating. Maybe it's because it's a post office box? If so, too bad, cos we don't HAVE a letterbox. I might have to get it sent to my parents' place three hours drive away and go pick it up - very VERY annoying.

PatrickHedges
06-06-2007, 09:01 AM
Ann, I had the same problem, so I bought one of the second hand books listed and that's fine because it comes from a different distribution centre

Bringer
06-06-2007, 09:38 AM
Hi Ann,

When working with velour (Hanehmuhle's) you have to think well before applying your strokes because it's difficult to erase on velour (usually it's better to go with another stick over it to disguise); although an eraser can be used to disguise a bit.
Usually harder pastels hold better, but I've used softer ones like Sennelier and Schmincke with no problem. What I do is after applying a softer pastel, I burn (is this the correct expression?) over with a harder pastel.
In no time you'll know how to handle it.

Kind regards,

José

Lisa M
06-06-2007, 12:16 PM
Anne--You'll love the velour for animal fur, close-ups of eyes, soft landscape backgrounds and pretty much anything else. I really like it, although I've tried it only once. I ordered a variety of colors and they're very brilliant. But I can't remember which company--just compare their shipping along with the paper cost itself.
I have that book that Patrick mentioned, and now that I have velour it makes sense. I was trying to follow her techniques on regular drawing paper when I first discovered her work and got some cheapo pastels as a gift, and was endlessly frustrated. It is completely different from other paper. Good luck with getting the book!

KJSCL
06-06-2007, 03:52 PM
Ann

A couple of things with velour:
- you really can't erase
- you really can't blend with your fingers,etc
- you have to work the pastels into the fibers of the paper (you were close Jose - it is burnish!!) using a harder pastel works best for me too. If you don't alot of the pastel will probably fall off. :eek:
- tap the back occasionaly while painting to dislodge any loose pastel.
- "harder" pastels and pencils will adhere better than softer pastels.
- if you draw your image on paper first and then transfer it to the velour (recommended since you can't erase) be careful with the amount of pressure you use while retracing it. Pencils can leave indentations in the velour which can be difficult to cover.

Any subject can be painted on velour although it does lend itself very well to fur and hair. And as everyone else has mentioned, Lesley's book is great.

Have fun and post your painting on it.

Bringer
06-06-2007, 05:29 PM
Hi Kathy,

Thanks for helping me with that word .

Kind regards,

José

MChesleyJohnson
06-06-2007, 06:05 PM
And whatever you do, do NOT give the painting a good thwack on the back. I did this once, and I lost the whole painting. :mad: Easy taps to dislodge just a little bit of dust (as recommended above) are best.

annj
06-06-2007, 09:06 PM
And whatever you do, do NOT give the painting a good thwack on the back. I did this once, and I lost the whole painting. :mad: Easy taps to dislodge just a little bit of dust (as recommended above) are best.

Oh dear! That must have been awful. :-(

Thanks everyone for your help. It sounds like I might love this stuff because of it being great for fur, and hate for being hard to fix mistakes <g>

Fingers crossed it's in the shop today, otherwise I won't be back to Ballarat to pick it up for another week, and now I'm getting impatient to try it!

Thanks again... I'll send an update when I've had a play.

DAK723
06-06-2007, 09:24 PM
Obviously, everyone has their own preferences, but I find velour very easy to work with - much easier then any other paper. Until I joined WetCanvas, I had no idea it was so difficult to work on!

My technique may be well siuted to velour. I like to use toned paper and often let some of the paper show through and work as a midtone. I do not apply many layers - 3 or 4 at the most. I find mid-softness (rembrandts, giraults, winser & newton) pastels work best, but have also used softer Senneliers with good success. I use a soft touch with the pastel, trying not to indent the surface. Yes, it is hard to erase - in fact I've never really tried because covering my mistakes (or my initial sketch lines) seems fairly simple on velour.

Good luck to you.

Don

K Taylor-Green
06-06-2007, 10:39 PM
Obviously, everyone has their own preferences, but I find velour very easy to work with - much easier then any other paper. Until I joined WetCanvas, I had no idea it was so difficult to work on!

Me, too! And I learned with Leslie's book. She has tons of great advice and it is easy to follow.

PoshMamma
06-10-2007, 01:26 PM
Does Leslie go into the pastel and velour concerns, the problem with it "sticking"? I gave up on velour because of the tendency for the pastel to fall off, everytime my painting simply dusted away my heart would sink, so I utimately gave up on velour. I have to admit that it was my favourite besides Wallis paper, I would like to give it a try again. I have asked the technical people about velour and they say use only the hardest pastels and push it in but they were talking about the hardest pastels, more investment, more money to put out there. I can't remember the brands they suggested but harder than Rembrandts which are really considered soft. Nice discussion.

DAK723
06-10-2007, 06:40 PM
The topic of velour may be a great experience for all of us who ask questions and hope for difinitive answers. With pastels (as well as all other mediums) there are apparently so many different ways of doing things that personal experience may be the only way to get a real answer.

The experts say hard pastels and press into the velour. I use soft pastels and don't press hard at all. And I've never had a problem with the pastel falling off. I wish I could explain it!!!

Don

Bringer
06-10-2007, 11:07 PM
Hi,

Quoting Don :

«The experts say hard pastels and press into the velour. I use soft pastels and don't press hard at all. And I've never had a problem with the pastel falling off. I wish I could explain it!!!»

Same with me. Could it be that Hanehmuhle is done in more than one place and thus having slightly different characteristics ?
However people complaining are also from US like you.

Best regards,

José

PoshMamma
06-11-2007, 12:58 PM
You are such a tease talking about having no problem with applying pastel with a light touch and not having the pastel fall off, this is very upsetting......I loved the Hanehmuhle paper and this was essentially my experience. I now want to get back into purchasing it again but this time experimenting and trying to come to a solution. I also heard that you should frame the painting right up to the glass without the spacer that other pastel paintings need. Though I am wondering about the space created by simply framing it the usual way with a mat. Any thoughts on this? And again are you both (last two replies!) sure? Gee...this gives me hope or is this just going to put me to tears? I noticed when I painted on velour especially plein air, I was able to nail the scene with a feeling that I have to work hard on with other papers. There is something about the texture that allows me to go full gusto but on the other paper I go about it carefully.

DAK723
06-12-2007, 01:50 PM
Alas, I am not a tease. I have had no problems with velour, but my technique may be very different. I do not apply many layers, often only one or two. I do not under any circumstances smack the back of my painting when done. Perhaps all the pastel will fall off someday, but so far so good!

I'm not sure why one wouldn't use a spacer when framing velour. I have never framed any, but am planning to for an upcoming festival. I will be using spacers, so I will have to see if I have problems.

Don