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04-18-2002, 07:26 AM
Does anyone use this color, or have you seen it?

Kevin MacPherson recommends it in :Oil Paintings With Light and Color" and says it makes a great black when mixed with Alizarin Crimson. So does Thalo Green.

Is there a big difference in the two? Enough to justify buying another green? ( Most of which I don't use?


04-18-2002, 04:32 PM
Renee, the pigment in Winsor green is PG7-- which is the same pigment as in my Daler-Rowney pthalo green oil and my Da Vinci pthalo green watercolor. Same thing! According to the W&N Oil Colour book I have, "Windor" colors are just transparent organic colors across the spectrum with good lightfastness.

04-18-2002, 04:32 PM
Oops! Winsor, not "Windor". :)

04-18-2002, 04:34 PM
By the way, aren't Macpherson's book and his art great? He's having a one-man show and reception at a gallery in San Antonio in October-- that's only a five-hour drive one way. I'm going!

04-18-2002, 05:48 PM
Lisa, I found Kevin's e-mail on one of the websites and wrote him this am to ask him if his very limited palette had changed since I bought his book. Sometime's artists add or subtract a color at times, and that book was published in '97.

Anyway, you know he said that his palette, which is the most limited I have seen is Titanium white, ultra blue, aliz. crimson, cad. yellow pale, winsor green ( I substituted Thalo, and yes, to your reply. That is what I suspected, that they are Very similiar). He mixes everything from those colors.

Anyway, I used that palette this afternoon to do the layin of my next painting of NYC. It sure keeps the whole thing unified.


04-18-2002, 06:43 PM
Beautiful! And, it sure does unify and simplify things. In fact, when working outdoors I frequently use it-- or maybe add one more color, depending on the scene. Please do let us all know his response.

04-19-2002, 08:15 PM
Winsor Green is one of the silly names that W&N have stuck to in some of their ranges, the two versions - Winsor Green and Winsor Green (Yellow Shade) - are the two Phthalocyanine Greens, PG7 and PG36 respectively. So you already have one of them!


04-19-2002, 08:50 PM
Lisa and Einion, Yep, same thing. Got this back today from Kevin's wife, Wanda.

Plus, I am glad to hear that he added cad. red and yellow ochre to the palette, because I did that myself after I found his choices very limiting. Renee

Wanda wrote:

Dear Renee

Kevin continues to use the limited palette. He does play around with
different limited color choices. In place of Alizarin Crimson he will use
Cadmium red light. Thalo green is used occasionally. Sometimes he uses
yellow ochre, cad. red light, black and white.

No workshops are scheduled this year except our Hawaii workshop in
November. If interested check out Kevin's web site. But no other workshops


Kevin and Wanda Macpherson
Taos, New Mexico

Email:[email protected]
website: Kevin Macpherson
website: Wanda Macpherson

Mentor Program:
website: http://www.artisttoursgroup.com

Email: [email protected]

Gallery representation:

Redfern Gallery
Laguna Beach, CA

Greenhouse Gallery
San Antonio, TX

04-19-2002, 10:44 PM
Good info! Thanks, Renee.

04-20-2002, 05:24 PM
Here's Wash. Sq. halfway done. Cad. red medium, thalo red rose, viridian, ultra blue, cad. yellow and titanium white.



04-20-2002, 10:23 PM
Looking good! I'm not familiar with thalo red rose-- what brand is yours? I use w&n permanent rose (quinacridone) as a lighter valued cool red than alizarin-- is thalo red rose similar?

04-21-2002, 08:25 PM
Lisa, Nice to see your smiling face!

I have been reading the palette thread in "en plein aire" forum, and it's uncanny how many of the same books you and I have in our libraries. In fact, I am just returning the Itten book to the library. Tell me what you think as I found it very dry and hard to get through. Maybe I should give it another chance.

I am using Grumbacher Thalo red rose as suggested in one of Sovek's limited palettes.


04-21-2002, 10:47 PM
Thanks, Renee!

It'll take me a while to get the Itten book through inter-library loan. When I first got Schmid's book that way (later my sweetie bought me a copy for Christmas) it had to come all the way from Palo Alto, CA.. I will let you know what I think.

05-03-2002, 01:44 PM
Hi Renee

I have heard that winsor green is just Winsor Newton's trade name for thalo green. If this is true you could certainly avoid purchasing it.