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Merry Scribe
02-01-2007, 05:29 PM
I my next project I am going to attempt to do some Illuminated lettering and the write a gailic phase in Uncial hand just like it was done in the Book of Kells.
Wish me luck. I am doing this because I want to show that Illuminated letters and calligraphy go hand and hand no pun intended.

Blessed be

Brian & Annie

DSPIT
02-01-2007, 06:13 PM
this will be interesting. Your work usually is anyway. but your using words, I have never heard. so ,,,pulling up a chair (you dont mind if I sketch while I am looking :D )
bob

miek37
02-01-2007, 09:20 PM
Dear Brian and Annie - Can't wait to see your work, am finallizing preparation for a short (2 hour) intro to calligraphy at our art store here in town this coming Monday morning. Uncial will be one font and a simple italic font the other. I know your work will be beautiful and am looking forward to learning from you. Do translate the Gaelic for us!!!! Will be looking in Helen

TessDB
02-02-2007, 06:52 AM
Glad to see you back to Calligraphy, Brian!

Looking forward to seeing your update... out of curiosity... what phrase? and can you pronounce it correctly? :evil: :lol:

Tess

Merry Scribe
02-02-2007, 07:57 AM
this will be interesting. Your work usually is anyway. but your using words, I have never heard. so ,,,pulling up a chair (you dont mind if I sketch while I am looking :D )
bob

What words have you never heard gaelic or uncial hand. Gaelic is the real Irish language and uncial hand is the original Irish hand. If you are familar with the Book of Kells Uncial is the hand used there. It is just an old calligraphy hand. One of the many hands that I know. And if you do not understand my use of the word hand it means style and is the proper word to use when you talking of calligraphy styles. The word font usually deals with typewriters and computers not hand done calligraphy and I think that is why calligraphers use the word hand because it is done by hand and not a typewriter or computer.

Brian & Annie

Merry Scribe
02-02-2007, 08:09 AM
Glad to see you back to Calligraphy, Brian!

Looking forward to seeing your update... out of curiosity... what phrase? and can you pronounce it correctly? :evil: :lol:

Tess

Alright Tess so it has been a long while since I have done any calligraphy and I must admit that what made me deside was the young mans question if illuminated letters are calligraphy so that is why I am doing an illuminated letter and a gaelic phase. Also I have strong Irish ties and Uncial and gaelic are my two favorite hands and language. And yes I know how to say it correctly and I even know what it means:evil: :lol: :D . There are actualy two phases I am thinking about the first being "Nar lagai Dia do lamh!" meaning "May God not weaken your hand." The other is "Cead mile failte romhat" meaning "A hundred thousand welcomes to you!".

I am tending toward the first phase because for me it is appropriate being that I do alot work with my hands.

Brian & Annie

miek37
02-02-2007, 08:30 AM
:thumbsup: Brian! Thanks for the refresher on fonts and hands! I have come to use the word "font" for new students as most of them are more familiar with computers than pen and ink!!! I am 70 and am way more familiar with Speedball pens than all the new fountain pens and felt tip chisel pens but find some things work for some purposes and others for others. Have been hearing the word "uncial" pronounced "un-shell", and at other times "un-see-ul" - clarify for me PLEASE - many thanks! Helen:heart:

Merry Scribe
02-02-2007, 08:45 AM
:thumbsup: Brian! Thanks for the refresher on fonts and hands! I have come to use the word "font" for new students as most of them are more familiar with computers than pen and ink!!! I am 70 and am way more familiar with Speedball pens than all the new fountain pens and felt tip chisel pens but find some things work for some purposes and others for others. Have been hearing the word "uncial" pronounced "un-shell", and at other times "un-see-ul" - clarify for me PLEASE - many thanks! Helen:heart:

Helen unceal is pronounced "un-see-ul" and I am glad to see that someone is still around who still uses dip pens I also like the speedball pens and hate fountain pens and felt tip chisel pens. If I need a broad bladed pen I use a "C" series nib. You will not catch me dead using a felt tip or fountain pen.

Blessed Be

Brian & Annie

DSPIT
02-02-2007, 10:52 AM
What words have you never heard gaelic or uncial hand.
Brian & Annie

Brian I meant that as a reference to my ignorance of the entrie post meaning, I have never even heard the works gaelic or uncial before. the hand part was the ONLY part I figured out :lol:

Bob

miek37
02-02-2007, 03:25 PM
Brian! Many thanks for speedy reply! "Un-see-ul" it shall be! The gang at the art store where I teach vote for that also. The place I saw the other pronounciation was a book :eek: ! One half of my genetic make up is English (from London about 1850 to America) the other half Swede-Dane-Norweigian both sides of the family had calligraphers. My Swedish grandfather used both speedballs and brushes. Do you use a slanted surface when you do your calligraphy or work on a flat-desk top surface? Happy Friday! Helen :cat:

miek37
02-02-2007, 04:12 PM
Thought all scribes would like to take a look at this web site to see calligraphy and illumination in action: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/2963/ Perhaps I should have put this in its own thread? Help! Helen

Merry Scribe
02-02-2007, 05:28 PM
Helen I have a real nice art table that I can use flat or I can raise the front of it to make a slanted surface. It just depends on what hand I am using at the time for example when I use uncial I only raise the table one notch because that is about 5 degrees but if I am using gothic or old english I raise the table to its max which is about 45 degrees. So you see it depends on the hand.

Blessed Be

Brian & Annie

miek37
02-02-2007, 06:54 PM
Thanks for the info on slanting! I have found it also sort of depends on the build of the person doing the calligraphy/illuminating! Since mens' and womens' arms are built differently (hence some women throw a ball 'way differently than men) we tend to sit and hold our pens, etc. a bit differently, but I certainly find a slant helps my arm to be freer than trying to "scribe" on a flat table. Thanks again, back to the drawing board. Helen

CPM
02-04-2007, 03:32 PM
You will not catch me dead using a felt tip or fountain pen.

Brian, If this happens, I'll call Ripley's and make a mint!:lol:

Can't wait to see the WIP. I'm looking forward to seeing your calligraphy again.
- Chris

mudslinger
02-06-2007, 06:12 AM
what difference does the table's slant make? does it help you keep the nib at the right slant for the hand you're using at the time? that's the main problem i have with doing calligraphy- i have trouble keeping the pen at the right angle relative to the base line. i'm not sure i'm holding the pen properly, either. i usually hold it like i do when i write. any tips on improving my technique? i like the uncial hand and the earlier roman/uncial forms, plus some of the blackhand variations which look pretty cool...

Merry Scribe
02-06-2007, 07:36 AM
what difference does the table's slant make? does it help you keep the nib at the right slant for the hand you're using at the time? that's the main problem i have with doing calligraphy- i have trouble keeping the pen at the right angle relative to the base line. i'm not sure i'm holding the pen properly, either. i usually hold it like i do when i write. any tips on improving my technique? i like the uncial hand and the earlier roman/uncial forms, plus some of the blackhand variations which look pretty cool...
If you have a table that slants it does help you keep the angle of the pen correct for each hand that you use. Also it allows you to keep your wrist in a nuetral possition which is good for the wrist. The monks used raised tables or platforms when they did calligraphy. Now remember when doing uncial the nib is only held at 5 degrees which is basically a flat table. Where Old English or Gothic is at 45 degrees and that is the max of any hand except the copperplates because these were hands developed for the left handed calligrapher and some of them are at 60 degrees which is the maximum. I hope that I have answered your question.

Blessed Be

Brian

Merry Scribe
02-07-2007, 06:33 PM
I finally after three days got the Illuminatede letter drafted in pencil so here it is.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Feb-2007/75646-Illuminated_letter.jpg
Blessed Be

Brian & Annie

TessDB
02-08-2007, 06:54 AM
Awwww..... Come on, Brian! What a tease! We need a detail view! :lol:

From here, it looks cool. Guess you're going with the phrase "Nar lagai Dia do lamh"? Or is there a "C" hiding in there that I can't see 'cause it's so small? :evil:

Looking forward to seeing this come along!
Tess

Merry Scribe
02-08-2007, 09:18 AM
Awwww..... Come on, Brian! What a tease! We need a detail view! :lol:

From here, it looks cool. Guess you're going with the phrase "Nar lagai Dia do lamh"? Or is there a "C" hiding in there that I can't see 'cause it's so small? :evil:

Looking forward to seeing this come along!
Tess
OK Tess here is the detailed version of the illuminated "N" and yes I am going with "Nar lagai Dia do lamh" because that seems to be a blessing for a calligrapher.
This is the top half of the "N":
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2007/75646-Illuminated_N_top_Half.jpg
This is the upper right hand corner to show the gold leafing:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2007/75646-Illuminate_N_upper_right_hand_corner.jpg
This is the middle section of the "N":
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2007/75646-Illuminated_N_Middle.jpg
And here is the bottom half of the"N":
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2007/75646-Illuminated_N_bottom.jpg
Now I have to ink it and I hope that it turns out better than it is now. This letter was very hard to do what is shown here is the third attempt at it. The first two I just did not like. And to tell the truth the knotting was the part that I had the hardest time with. I would show you the first two but I got so mad at them that they are is little bitty pieces and in my waste paper basket. The other thing that makes me mad is I wasted to good pieces of velum. I am doing this on blue velum but the scanner does not pick the color up very well.

Blessed Be

Brian & Annie

TessDB
02-08-2007, 09:29 AM
Thanks for the details, Brian!

Suggestion: Get a light box. Couldn't live without mine. That way, you can work out complex designs on cheap paper & then trace onto the good stuff.

Are you planning on adding color beyond the gold?

Tess

Merry Scribe
02-08-2007, 09:39 AM
Thanks for the details, Brian!

Suggestion: Get a light box. Couldn't live without mine. That way, you can work out complex designs on cheap paper & then trace onto the good stuff.

Are you planning on adding color beyond the gold?

Tess
Yes! But I am not the illuminator Annie is because she has a better eye for color than I do. That is why we make a good team and why my piece look so good is because of Annies work not mine. If it wasn't for Annie my pieces would be pretty dull.

Annie told me after we recover from the two trips that I had to make to California in the month of January that I might be able to get a light box. But a lawn tractor has to come first for two reasons one the other day after our 5 inches of snow I had to shovel out our long drive way so Annie could get home. And two we have 3.5 acres of lawn I have to cut and I am not going to do that with a hand lawn mower.

I am thinking to gold leaf the flowers also what do you all think would that be to much?

Blessed Be

Bria & Annie

TessDB
02-08-2007, 09:52 AM
I am thinking to gold leaf the flowers also what do you all think would that be to much?

mmm... Can you print this out & have Annie do a rough version of what color will go where? I'm thinking it might be too much on the flowers, and better used to highlight/draw the eye to the actual "N" shape. Help keep it readable & all that.

It's looking great, Brian!

Tess

DSPIT
02-08-2007, 11:09 AM
Very nice design Brian. the detial is intense. I wish I could comment on the gold leaf, but just havent seen this type of work that much so dont have a good opinion. I am sure between Annie and Tess, they will keep you straight.
bob

Merry Scribe
02-08-2007, 11:14 AM
Very nice design Brian. the detial is intense. I wish I could comment on the gold leaf, but just havent seen this type of work that much so dont have a good opinion. I am sure between Annie and Tess, they will keep you straight.
bob
Thank Bob for the kind words. I just saw your work on pen and ink and I think you should post it here in the calligraphy forum also. It is a look like it will be an interesting piece. I am partial to Celtic art seeing that I am 100% Irish. And this forum has kind of turned into a Celtic art forum as well as a calligraphy forum.

Blessed Be

Brian

DSPIT
02-08-2007, 02:38 PM
I was thinking I might dbl post as well. I just wanted to get a handle on the design and method. still just toying, this is not the final.

Your right, for the time being the flavour sure has been Celtic motiff. I know my little piece has that flavour to it, but I am new to the whole thing and am assuming I am only doing things, half right. but for me, its the feel of the composition. I hope it doesnt offend the folks who really understand that work

Looking forward to your progress.
bob

Merry Scribe
02-08-2007, 05:23 PM
I started inking and wrote the phrase in gaelic. This is going to be harder than I thought anyway here it is:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2007/75646-Illuminated_Ltr_start_inking.jpg
It will look alot better once Annie colors it.

Blessed Be

Brian & Annie

Merry Scribe
02-09-2007, 11:01 PM
I have finished inking and here is how it turned out.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Feb-2007/75646-Completed_inking_Illuminated_ltr.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Feb-2007/75646-Close_up_of_Illuminated_ltr_rt_side.jpg
This is the Top of the Illuminated Letter N:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Feb-2007/75646-Top_of_Illuminated_ltr.jpg
This is the center of the Illuminated Letter N:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Feb-2007/75646-Center_of_Illuminated_ltr.jpg
And here is the bottom of the Illuminated Letter N:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Feb-2007/75646-Bottom_of_Illuminated_ltr.jpg

Now Annie has the hardest part of this project to do and that is to figure out what colors to use and then color it. Annie use Prismacolor colored pencils she like them the best. Because they color so smooth and rich.

I will keep every one updated as Annie progresses.

Blessed Be

Brian & Annie

Merry Scribe
02-10-2007, 09:18 PM
Annie has start the hardest part of our team work and that is the coloring so here are a few photes of her progress:
This is the begining of the coloring.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Feb-2007/75646-Start_coloeing_Illuminated_ltr.jpg
This is a photo of Annie's progression 3 hours later:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Feb-2007/75646-Start_coloeing_Illuminated_lt2.jpg
3 hour later and this where Annie stop for the day;
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Feb-2007/75646-Start_coloeing_Illuminated_lt3.jpg
This is a close up of the top of the letter;
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Feb-2007/75646-Top_half_of_Illuminated_ltr_colored.jpg
This the center of the letter;
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Feb-2007/75646-Center_of_illuminated_ltr_colored.jpg
The bottom of the letter;
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Feb-2007/75646-Bottom_half_of_Illuminated_ltr_colored.jpg

Blessed Be

Brian & Annie

TessDB
02-11-2007, 07:18 AM
Looking good!

Will the vellum let you do multiple layers of cp, or is it a one-shot deal? Reason I ask (and it looks fine as-is, and just file this away for future use if you can't) is the yellow is looking a little too ... hot (? not quite the right word, but close) & competing with the gold leaf for attention. If you can do another layer, maybe consider putting some cream on top of it to calm it down just a bit... Test swatches first, of course!

Looking forward to seeing more!
Tess

Merry Scribe
02-11-2007, 10:05 AM
Looking good!

Will the vellum let you do multiple layers of cp, or is it a one-shot deal? Reason I ask (and it looks fine as-is, and just file this away for future use if you can't) is the yellow is looking a little too ... hot (? not quite the right word, but close) & competing with the gold leaf for attention. If you can do another layer, maybe consider putting some cream on top of it to calm it down just a bit... Test swatches first, of course!

Looking forward to seeing more!
Tess

Thank you so much for the suggestion, Tess! I've been looking at it and was thinking the same, but I couldn't figure out what to do about it. I'm not sure if I can layer the color, but then again I can't see why it wouldn't work just fine. Besides, the more I looked at it the more I realized that it was too bright to be authentic-looking. It's great to have some constructive criticism, especially from someone with a real eye for color such as yourself. I welcome any suggestions you may have because I basically go on instinct and don't have anyone I can discuss color with. Brian and I both comment on each other's work, but neither of us knows enough about the other's respective area to be anything more than slightly helpful, if that make's any sense. I can't wait to try this! Thanks again.

Blessed be,

Annie and Brian

DSPIT
02-11-2007, 12:59 PM
Just following along. I personally did not mind the brightness of the yellow. all the colors to me are very vibrant. Looks great.
bob

Merry Scribe
02-11-2007, 07:17 PM
The Illuminated letter N is complete and now I have to frame it then it will be finished.
Here is the completed letter "N";
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Feb-2007/75646-Illuminated_N.jpg
Top 1/2:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Feb-2007/75646-Completed_ltr_N.jpg
Bottom 1/2;
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Feb-2007/75646-Completed_bottom.jpg

Once I frame it then I will show the completed work and let every one know what the Gaelic Blessing means.

I have already started a new project that we are hoping will have some interest at the Ren Fairs. We are going to do 16th century dress on canvas with me doing the inking with my dip pens and Annie doing the coloring with her Prismacolor cp's and we are hoping that it will turn out alright.

The reason I love being teamed up with Annie, besides that I love her dearly, is that she allows me to try every crazy idea (canvas board) that comes into my head and when she is finished with what I do it looks great.

Blessed Be

Brian & Annie

P.S. For Tess: I tried the cream over the yellow, but it didn't have much of an effect so I used a light peach instead. It toned down the fire a little, but I think it is still too bright and I'm not overly happy with that part of it. Ah well, live and learn.

P.P.S. Brian is too modest, don't you think?

Annie and Brian

LifeOfArt
02-13-2007, 03:52 PM
I am interested in learning how to do Calligraphy. I have gotten the pens and I try to do the instructions that came with it. but it just don't look right. I seen that this site was giving lessons on Calligraphy. And I would be interested in learning. If some one would contact me on where I should look for these lessons. I would greatly appreciate it. :wink2:

Thanks in Advance

Tracey :wave:

Merry Scribe
02-13-2007, 06:59 PM
I am interested in learning how to do Calligraphy. I have gotten the pens and I try to do the instructions that came with it. but it just don't look right. I seen that this site was giving lessons on Calligraphy. And I would be interested in learning. If some one would contact me on where I should look for these lessons. I would greatly appreciate it. :wink2:

Thanks in Advance

Tracey :wave:
I am trying to do a calligraphy tutorial so I posted a poll on this forum to see if there is enough interest to start a tutorial in calligraphy. I also posted a introduction and history of calligraphy to try and spark interest in calligraphy. So it you are interested go to the poll give your vote and if the is a hand that you are interested in learning then let me know by writing a post. I know over 40 different hand and if there is one I do not know it only takes me a few days to learn it. So go to the poll and let me know by your vote.

Blessed Be

Brian

marie_d
03-14-2007, 04:28 PM
Hello Brian,
I am new to the WC site, just thought I would introduce myself. I only joined up last week and I have been looking through the calligraphy forum for a couple of days now.I've just been reading your post about your next project, I'd love to see it when you have finished. I saw the Book of Kells on display in Trinity College Dublin a couple of years ago, it was beautiful. The scripts and illuminated letters were so intricate and colourful. I have just started to learn calligraphy again, I like uncial and black letter (gothic) and italics. I love the celtic designs of the knotwork, crosses, and animals. I'm still only a novice at calligraphy and did'nt know there was so many different hands to choose from. I will definately be keeping in touch with this forum.
Good luck with your project
Marie

marie_d
03-15-2007, 05:40 AM
Hi Brian and everyone,
Sorry I am new to using forums, this is the first time I have ever used one. When I opened up the posts the image of you illuminated letter was slower at opening up than the text and I scrolled down the page before it was fully loaded therefore I missed it.
Found it now though, its beautiful. The colour is lovely and bright, I particularly like the lilacs and purples you have done the birds in. Hope some day to be able to do something as ornate as this.
Will be keeping in touch with the calligraphy forum and look forward to seeing some more of the wonderful work here especially any illuminated lettering.
Marie :wave:

scribblet
05-02-2007, 10:33 AM
Lovely work, I don't have the skills to do that type of illuminating. Uncial is one of my favourite hands.

Merry Scribe
05-04-2007, 12:48 PM
Lovely work, I don't have the skills to do that type of illuminating. Uncial is one of my favourite hands.

If you are interested in learning Uncial I will be teaching it in my calligraphy tutorial starting in a few days as soon as my current students tell my which Uncial they want to learn Modern or Antique.

Blessed Be

Brian