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bruce johnson
11-25-2006, 11:30 PM
A new project has been announced in the WetCanvas! project system!

Title: Pastel Portrait Challenge
Project Leader: bruce johnson
Relative Difficulty: Hard
Type Restrictions: Painting
Medium: Pastels
Subject: Portrait
Days open for signups: Always
Maximum participants allowed: Unlimited

Description:

This portrait challenge is for all levels of artist who want to learn my techniques for pastel portraiture...
All artists will paint the same ref (Julie) and post their progress updates, I will critique each update as we go. There is no time limit and new participants are welcome to join in as we go...
The ref image has two very difficult areas, the teeth and the hair.. so we will progress through those stages in small steps at a time..
I high resolution image of the Julie image has been added to the Image Reference library.

I must emphasise that these are techniques that I have developed myself and may not necessarily be considered correct or the accepted norm for pastel painting.. I'm just new at pastels and don't know any better.. :lol:

Additional Information:

For more information on the project: Click here! (http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_details&proj_id=1072) This will take you to the Project Page, click on Browse project and and then Sign up for project... then you're off..

Remember, in order to help keep the discussions on projects organized, you should post your questions, suggestions, and comments on submitted work here in this thread. By doing this, we allow other non-project efforts to not get "pushed down" by a swarm of project-related threads.

bruce johnson
11-26-2006, 01:19 AM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57078


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/12259/tn_portrait1.jpg

Very accurate line drawing Jolanta,. you're off to a great start.. I'll add mine in about an hour or so.. :thumbsup:

bruce johnson
11-26-2006, 01:26 AM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57077

Julie line drawing
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/33616/tn_julieline.jpg

Top stuff Deidre, I would check Julie's right eye and note how the cheek and bottom eye lid interact.. it will be important to have this accurate for when we add cool and warm colours.. Great tip on using neutral colours for the line drawing. I'll try that .. :thumbsup:

bruce johnson
11-26-2006, 03:04 AM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57080

Julie line drawing
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/45744/tn_Img_1024.jpg%28600%29.jpg

Great start Pat... what colour paper are you using.. its a litle dark to see all your detail

bruce johnson
11-26-2006, 03:09 AM
When I do my line drawing I lay my ref pic alongside the paper, making sure the edges of the ref pic are square to the paper. using the pencil I transfer the angle (front edge) of the face and the bottom edge of the chin to the paper. this gives me a starting ref point. I then take a compass and very accurately measure off the outer limits of the head.. because the ref is smaller than the painting I scale up the measurements by creating my own scale.. If anyones not sure how to do the scale just ask and I'll demonstrate the method..
Once I have the outer limit distances I transfer the angle of the outer edges by using the pencil again, until I have blocked in the complete head.
I then move onto the facial features, using the same method, I locate the position of the eyes ears mouth and nose..this is all very loose at this stage. I'm always checking back and forward to ensure that I have the proportions and perspective correct.
Once the head and features are blocked in I will begin developing the facial contours a little more precisely., but still reasonably loose.. At the end of this stage the likeness should be starting to develop..:clap:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Nov-2006/17761-NZ_trip_018.jpg

bruce johnson
11-26-2006, 03:20 AM
I have started to develop the facial features in this stage, I am being careful to ensure I get the profile of her cheek (front edge) correct as this will determine the amount of smile Julie has. Very important for likeness .. still very loose at this stage.. its a bit like marking out the foundation of a building.. draughtsmanship I believe they call it..

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Nov-2006/17761-NZ_trip_019.jpg

bruce johnson
11-26-2006, 04:14 AM
Once I get the location of the features in place I draw the detail of the features in by freehand.. and then erase the construction lines. I've developed Julie as far as I need before I start adding colour.. I think i have a reasonable likeness going on... I'm still having trouble uploading an image via the project site. It keeps telling me to specify a file, but I am and its not working.. Any ideas?

Its dinner time here now so I start to add colour tomorrow night.. :wave:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Nov-2006/17761-NZ_trip_021.jpg

*Deirdre*
11-26-2006, 05:25 AM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57077

Julie line drawing
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/33616/tn_julieline.jpg

Top stuff Deidre, I would check Julie's right eye and note how the cheek and bottom eye lid interact.. it will be important to have this accurate for when we add cool and warm colours.. Great tip on using neutral colours for the line drawing. I'll try that .. :thumbsup:
I did the original from the smaller res photo...so I can work on it now from the high res, from which I can see the details...such as the one's mentioned.:)

Piper Ballou
11-26-2006, 09:38 AM
Bruce, what size is your painting?
piper

bock
11-26-2006, 10:04 AM
Bruce....It's white, half sheet of 140# Arches. I think it's the light I took the photo in. You added alot of detail looks great! Wondering if I should add more detail. I only did a very simple line drawing.
Bock

*Deirdre*
11-26-2006, 10:41 AM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57078


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/12259/tn_portrait1.jpg

Good one Jolanta,,,but I knew it would be! Only problem it's not easy to see...:confused:

Sunflwr1
11-26-2006, 11:03 AM
Bruce,

Thanks for posting the stages of your drawing. Being fairly new I find that very helpful.

If anyones not sure how to do the scale just ask and I'll demonstrate the method.. Please do!

Have my line drawing done... as soon as I find how to post it I will.

Thanks Much,
Marcia

I found it, it's uploaded.

Jolanta
11-26-2006, 11:08 AM
Thank you Dee. You right, it's hard to see. I didn't want line drawing to show through pastels. I will play on piece of paper if I can make it darker and still cover with color. So - the instructions are here and all comments but the progress we upload at the project thread right? You can tell I am getting older and need to be told more than once:lol:
Bruce - thanks for the great start. After looking at your drawing I think I need to shorten her nose on mine??? Help me here, you know her:D
Jolanta

Jolanta
11-26-2006, 12:31 PM
I went over my line drawing with grey pastel pencil to make it darker. I did fix her nose some too:D I think it looks better now.
Bruce when you started this project you didn't know what you are getting into:lol: :evil: :D We sure will keep you busy here. You asked for it:D :lol:
We do appreciate your hard work:clap:
Jolanta

mauricar
11-26-2006, 01:13 PM
Going over the line drawing makes a lot of sense Jolanta. I think I'll do that and then come back here for more data. I notice that Bruce puts a lot of detail in his line drawing. Doesn't that get covered up when you put the pastel on it?

Bruce, what is the time difference between where you live and Utah, USA? I need to know so I can plan to work around your schedule.
Midge

Piper Ballou
11-26-2006, 02:06 PM
I am having trouble loading my drawing in the project....it keeps saying that I need to specify a file.....is there a something I am not doing correctly, size is less then 500 by 600 so do not think that is the problem
piper

note......I do not know what I did, but I managed to get the drawing uploaded....

Jolanta
11-26-2006, 02:15 PM
I had the same problem today when I tried to upload clicking at the bottom of the page in the project thread. You need to be at the home page of the project thread and click on the left side of the page to upload. It worked for me. Computer technology is still a mistery to me:lol:
Jolanta

AnnieA
11-26-2006, 03:14 PM
Hey, Bruce! This is really moving along quickly now! I was so surprised to see that the project thread is up and people have already started! I have a couple of questions (don't I always? ). I just copied this post from the thread that's posted in the Pastel Studio, as you requested, so all the project participants can see your replies.

First, I notice that some of the sketches that people have begun have changed the format just a bit and enlarged the head in relation to the composition overall (in comparsion with the reference shot, which shows a lot of background). I was going to enlarge the head too, but then I thought I might ask what you recommend, before proceeding.

Second, I am planning to use my photo editing program to help me draw the image. I've already done some editing and have come up with this (and I invite anyone who wants to use this to download it, if you think it will be helpful):
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Nov-2006/85002-Julie_grayscale_Cropped_Edges.jpg

My question though, is whether you think it's better to lay out the drawing using your method, rather than using the computer-generated image I've made from the reference image. I suppose they are both somewhat mechanical, and I have read some quite accomplished portrait artists say that they also use one sort of measuring system or another to lay out the drawing, so perhaps it's not important. On the other hand, I know some artists think that laying things out by hand is crucial to make the finished piece have a natural and loose appearance - that sort of human touch, I guess. Right now, I'm thinking of gridding off both my paper and the computer generated image, and going from there, although I may trace it. I just thought I'd ask if you had any recommendations in that area, before everyone gets started. I almost feel I need to do this in order to catch up with everyone! Getting a good likeness would take me quite a while as I'm not experienced in drawing faces. (I guess this question represents an issue that's a never-ending controversy, doesn't it? :lol:)

Thanks again for doing this for us all, Bruce. :clap::clap::clap: I'm really excited about it! :)

Jolanta
11-26-2006, 03:51 PM
Hi, I enlarged the head so it will be easier to go with pastels. My scanner will not scan it bigger and I don't have digital camera. I did line drawing freehand because I want to learn as much as I can and yes, preliminary drawing is very important. I already had to adjust twice as soon as I see it on the screen I see something off. I think Bruce explained beautifully how to do line drawing and it is worth to try. I did it in similar way and feel pretty proud already even if I mess up painting I will know I did something good:D
I know you try to help and maybe somebody will use this computer sketch, but I would encourage everybody to at least try first to do it the best they can including you of course. Just because you don't have much experience with portraits doesn't mean you cannot see. Once you learn how to see you can draw anything you want.:D So let's keep this great computer sketch baby handy....just in case and try hand and brain and measurements - you will be much happier:D
Sorry Bruce - didn't mean to jeopardize your thread. I will try hard to behave:(
Jolanta

bruce johnson
11-26-2006, 05:17 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57117

Julie line drawing 2
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/33616/tn_julie1.jpg

This looks good Deirdre. I had already started my line drawing in graphite but in future I'll try the pastel pencils for the line drawing.. I like to develop my line drawing a little more than most... this gives me a better idea of the likeness... it will all eventually be covered up by pastel..:thumbsup:

Kathryn Wilson
11-26-2006, 05:26 PM
For those of you joining the Project, or wanting to join, when you sign up you will see some links at the bottom of the Project page - that is where you have to upload your images -

and remember, only your finished versions go in the Gallery, the rest of the work goes in the Progress Images as you work along.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_details&proj_id=1072

bruce johnson
11-26-2006, 05:33 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57124


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/12259/tn_portrait1a.jpg

Good work Jolanta.. just check Julies right eye and see how the detail in that area works, particularly the way the cheek and lower eye lid interact.. :thumbsup:

Piper Ballou
11-26-2006, 05:34 PM
So in other words, Kat, we should not be using this thread for the project......but go directly to the project itself and post there.......correct?

*Deirdre*
11-26-2006, 05:34 PM
This looks good Deirdre. I had already started my line drawing in graphite but in future I'll try the pastel pencils for the line drawing.. I like to develop my line drawing a little more than most... this gives me a better idea of the likeness... it will all eventually be covered up by pastel..:thumbsup:
I don't use pastel pencils for the line drawing Bruce...I use coloured pencil...don't know why...it seems to stay longer!:wink2:
I'm going to follow your lead on this one Bruce, but normally I put the darker tones followed by mid skin colour of pastel all over the face, leaving a couple of holes for the eyes, one for the mouth, and a mark where the nose is! So I draw the details in freehand using the screen as my guide because I can get up close and personal to see all the nuances of the facial features...hence my dependence on high res photos!:D

bruce johnson
11-26-2006, 06:13 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57127

Initial sketch
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/8539/tn_drawing.jpg

This looks good piper, I'd check the thickness of the top lip though. It looks a little fat.. :thumbsup:

Piper Ballou
11-26-2006, 06:25 PM
thanks Bruce...
Kat.....I guess this is where we do post....sorry....

bruce johnson
11-26-2006, 06:31 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57126

Line drawing
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/71456/tn_000_1585.jpg

Hi Midge

Quite a good line drawing.. to start off with... things I would check are.

the detail around the eyes.. Julie is in quite bright sunshine and the squint of the eyes is important to capture, as this goes hand in hand with the bright skin tones on the face...and the strong highlights... At this stage don't draw in the pupils of the eyes, its more important to get the wrinkles n creases accurate, which depict the squint..

Also check your teeth.. its important for a likeness that the teeth are drawn in accurately or your likeness will suffer.. check the number of teeth.. :thumbsup:

AnnieA
11-26-2006, 06:38 PM
Hi Bruce...did we have some miscommunication earlier? Perhaps it wasn't clear that the image that I had posted in the earlier thread, and the post that you had asked me to copy into this thread, was of a computer-generated image, not my sketch. Maybe you're not seeing my copied post in this thread (#18), and my questions, cause it's not posted in the Project area. But since it's not really my sketch, I couldn't really put it there. :confused:

Sheesh...I really don't mean to complicate things! :lol:

On edit: of course, as I think about this, if you didn't see the earlier post, there's really no reason why you are likely to see this one either, is there? :laughing at self: (I do that a lot!) I'll send you a PM...

mauricar
11-26-2006, 07:22 PM
I squinted the eye a bit, but can't get rid of the pupil (I made it too dark and now it will not erase) although I am sure it will be covered up when I start adding some color. I counted the teeth and there are five, just like in the photograph. Is this any better?
MIdge

bruce johnson
11-26-2006, 07:32 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57118

Julie
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/30113/tn_Julie-1.jpg

Hi Marcia

Your line drawing is a little difficult for me to make out all the detail.. I would like to see the squint developed more ( emphasise the creases n wrinkles)as this is an important aspect of the portrait which indicates the brightness of the sun and hence relates to the brilliant skin tones we will lay down.. :thumbsup:

Netty
11-26-2006, 07:39 PM
Wow, everyone has started, and doing a wonderful job!!!

I am in need of ink in my printer , so I might have to just use the image on the computer to work from in my pencil sketch!!!

AAHHhhhhh ..... thats what you get from having kids who love to print colouring in pages!!! lol...

Netty :)

bruce johnson
11-26-2006, 08:11 PM
Hi Guys

There is some confusion about where to post images and where to post comments.
My daily routine will be to go directly to the project page where I will view any uploaded progress images and make my comments. After this I will then go to the thread and answer any general comments that have been posted direct to the thread.
I'm still navigating my way around the project format so bare with me while I get my self sorted.. :lol:

Piper.. my drawing is on 1/2 sheet of CP Arches paper.. I'm also having prob with uploading, hope to sort it out tonight..

PAt(bock) I like to start with enough detail to indicate a good likeness, most of it will disappear quite quickly as pastel is added, but it provides a good blue print as I go and gives me confidence that the likeness will remain when I add pastel..

Marcia. I'll post the scale system tonight..

Jolanta .. The nose looks fine now.. you can always adjust slightly with pastel. Thats the beauty of this medium.. watercolour wouldn't allow that.. I'll try your tip on uploading.. Like you have said, that using this system of transferring the image to the paper, it teaches you to observe. This method can also be used in life drawing.

Midge... the more detail you add the better likeness you will create.. this stage takes a lot of practice but it can be learnt .. I am on Aussie EST... which is GMT +10 hours. I'm not sure how that relates to your local time but i expect when its 8am here its about 3pm your time..

Annie.. I've painted my portrait quite large for teaching purposes.. I'm not too worried about the background.. as I will only lay in some complementary colour at the end to finish the painting off. I wont paint all the background detail... also the computer generated image may help some but I would like everyone to try my method of drawing... its not too hard and you will have a great sense of accomplishment at the end.. like Jolanta says you will be able to draw anything...

Deirdre.. I paint top left to bottom right and develop the painting as I go. If I develop the painting in one go I smudge it and make a mess...

Great start guys:clap: :clap:

*Deirdre*
11-26-2006, 08:21 PM
Deirdre.. I paint top left to bottom right and develop the painting as I go. If I develop the painting in one go I smudge it and make a mess...
Funny you should say that!:evil: Me too!:p

Sunflwr1
11-26-2006, 09:05 PM
Marcia. I'll post the scale system tonight.

Great, Bruce... thanks!
Marcia

bruce johnson
11-26-2006, 09:27 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57128

2nd line drawing
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/71456/tn_000_1586.jpg

This is looking better Midge.. :thumbsup:

bruce johnson
11-26-2006, 09:39 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57130

pencil sketch
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/81946/tn_WC-0705.jpg

Hi pequan ..you're off to a good start.. just check the detail of the mouth, the lips don't look quite accurate..:thumbsup:

bruce johnson
11-26-2006, 09:48 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57131


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/12259/tn_portraitlinedone.jpg

Looking great Jolanta... you're ready for colour...

Deborah Secor
11-26-2006, 09:58 PM
I haven't yet committed to this project since I'm quite busy at the moment, but I want to ask a couple of questions.

When you all label your paintings 'half sheet' I'm sure that tells you what size it is, but those of us who are pastelists have a lot of different sizes of paper to use, so I wonder how big your paintings are. (We also probably need a cm=in. converter and vv!) Tell us what a half sheet is, would you? Thanks.

Also, I want to know about the placement of the head on the paper. Bruce, do you take into consideration the old 'don't put the thing smack in the middle of the page' rule? Do you give your subject "looking room", so that she has a bit more space in front of her face? Or do you find this doesn't really matter, since so often a photographer frames a face in the center of the page? I know when I paint animals I always give them room to look out into the space, placing them to one side slightly when I can.

In my landscape paintings I often do a fairly detailed value underdrawing in charcoal and subsequently cover it with pastel. I also do that for my animal portraits. I'd be fairly inclined to do the same with a portrait, laying in not just the lines surrounding the value areas but the dark, medium and light values, yet now I wonder if you think that would ruin the skin tones. I've been interviewing a lot of watercolorists lately and I see that they leave the lines only because their medium is transparent and they must preserve the white beneath. In pastels I want to start with strong darks and lighten as I go. Anyway, my theory in landscapes has been that if I make something dark in charcoal I intend to make it the same dark value when I use color, so the charcoal doesn't dirty the colors. I'm very much a colorist in landscapes--but I want to learn about portraits and I'm open to getting a leg up from anyone! I don't want to have to invent the wheel all over again, you know.

Just curious! Thanks, Bruce.

Deborah

lisilk
11-26-2006, 11:33 PM
I'm also late to the party and thinking of joining but had similar questions as Deborah....plus I have to see if I have any pastel board left.:rolleyes: Thanks for the project Bruce. I will be lurking if not jumping in.

Li

PaintingMum
11-27-2006, 12:07 AM
I was hoping to join in too, but am wondering if 180gsm watercolour paper will be ok. I have no special pastel paper. Or maybe sketch paper would be better?
Thanks,
Jaana

Jolanta
11-27-2006, 12:28 AM
I think all of us have our ways of drawing or painting from the beginning to the end and they are different more or less. As far as I am concerned I am going to follow Bruce's directions every step on the way because I want to try HIS way of doing portrait and learn something new as I go. I like his style and choice of colors and only if I will let him do it his way the presentation will be successful. So far I came up with the line drawing. I never did THIS detailed preliminary drawing for my portraits. I always start with eyes, he will start with the hair:confused: I will follow:D He said it is easier to work bigger but left it up to us how big we want to go. My size is limited because of the scanner, I know I will be struggling, but am up to the challenge.
As far as composition - most of us know it is good to give some breathing space on the face side, again for some of us it is just exercise, for others will be piece of art.
I have a suggestion - if anybody needs very detailed all values preliminary sketch to start the project you can do it in grey pastel pencil or vine charcoal and spray with workable fixative to prevent smudging and messing up colors. I would test it first on piece of paper. I know oil artists do it but never tried it this way. Since I don't know what colors he will use I didn't use dark values. I quess it will be OK since pastels are quite opaque and can be layered with different colors.
Some artists make a very detailed map of shapes in the sketch. I find it very confusing. I think it is up to us how to do the sketch. Bruce is checking placements and proportions mainly and he has a very good eye:D
Jolanta

bruce johnson
11-27-2006, 12:59 AM
Hi Deborah thanks for the questions.. 1/2 sheet of watercolour paper measures 380cm x 560 cm ( about 15" x 22 ")

Yes I do leave breathing space with a portrait. The amount depends on the pose of the face. but for a profile such as Julie , I would centre the eyes slightly to one side of the vertical centre line( the bulk of the head will be on the other side of the vertical centre line) , and then raise the top of the head so that the distance from top of paper to the top of the head (or hair) is about the same distance as from top of eyebrows to hair line. (forehead.) This seems to work out quite well and the portrait looks balanced.
For a commission, often I will paint on an oversize sheet of paper and then crop the final painting for best composition.. saves wasting time, measuring and calculating..

THis is a pic of my underdrawing. I develop as much detail as I need to get a good likeness.. This is graphite pencil, and it can dirty the pastel if its too heavy.. I've drawn this quite dark for instructional purposes and with a 2B graphite.. , normally I would use HB and you would hardly notice the lines..
Once I have the pastel lines down on the paper I erase the dark underdrawing as I go and work from the pastel lines.. When I paint in watercolor I also erase the lines once I have the colour on the paper... hope this answers your questions :wave: :thumbsup:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Nov-2006/17761-17761-NZ_trip_021.jpg

Hi Li and Jaana.. welcome to the project.. yes Jaana 180gsm will be fine providing its CP, medium or rougher.. Hot pressed or Smooth Watercolour paper wont take enough pastel for all the layers we will apply...

Cheers Bruce

PaintingMum
11-27-2006, 05:45 AM
Having a terrible time trying to upload my initial sketch. It always comes up with this message 'Sorry, but you need to specify a file!' I did specify a file. What am I doing wrong?
Jaana
computers aaaghhhhh!

pequan
11-27-2006, 08:13 AM
Dee: in my sketch, although you cannot see it, I have Julie more to the right side of the paper.....couldn't fit the entire piece of paper in the view finder of the camera and still be able to see the sketch itself....it is on water color paper size is 18x24, 140 lb, cold pressed..... but this is just an learning experience right? think of how many portraits Julie can have of herself... WOW.......... yes Bruce you are right the lips are off, I will try to fix them.....thanks........

pequan
11-27-2006, 08:15 AM
paintingmum: try posting it under the "go advanced " tab...then you can browse your computer for your file and upload it with one click...if you have it resized to no larger than 500x600 pixels I think it is.........hopes this helps....

Jolanta
11-27-2006, 10:24 AM
Hi Jaana - I had the same problem. This is how I do it step by step
- bring up pastels forum and scroll down - click on the Project Showcase at the left side
- click on the Project System at the top
- click on the Upload Progress Images on the left
- watch out for the right project - open "project" and click on the right one.
You should be able to upload on this screen
Hope this will help
Jolanta

Pat Isaac
11-27-2006, 11:48 AM
Yikes, everyone has already started. I hope to get mine going today. They all look great.

Pat

PaintingMum
11-27-2006, 08:13 PM
Hi Jaana - I had the same problem. This is how I do it step by step
- bring up pastels forum and scroll down - click on the Project Showcase at the left side
- click on the Project System at the top
- click on the Upload Progress Images on the left
- watch out for the right project - open "project" and click on the right one.
You should be able to upload on this screen
Hope this will help
Jolanta

Thanks Jolanta for these detailed instructions. Worked like a treat. Computers are very useful but definitely not my favourite tool.

Jaana

bruce johnson
11-27-2006, 10:01 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57143

Initial Sketch
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/88188/tn_julie1.jpg

Hi Jaana

What i can make out is ok.. the hair doesn't show up very well ..

Jo Castillo
11-27-2006, 10:02 PM
Hi Deborah thanks for the questions.. 1/2 sheet of watercolour paper measures 380cm x 560 cm ( about 15" x 22 ")

I started out too small, I think. I will look for larger paper. I think I have some water color paper somewhere........ :) I did post my 8 x 10 drawing.

Jo

bruce johnson
11-27-2006, 10:10 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57144

Initial Sketch
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/57688/tn_JoJulie.jpg

Hi Jo

things to check here are the thickness of Julies neck and the curvature of her top lip, :wave:

bruce johnson
11-27-2006, 11:19 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57145

Initial sketch
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/85002/tn_Julie_Pencil_Sketch.JPG

This is looking good Annie and with the changes you suggest the likeness will show through.. no you don't have to redo the teeth I think they're fine.. :wave:

bruce johnson
11-27-2006, 11:23 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57146


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/78750/tn_P1010016_copy.jpg

This will work nana... colour next, I hope to get a demo done tonight.. :wave:

bruce johnson
11-27-2006, 11:26 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57147

Second Sketch Large
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/57688/tn_jolrgjulie.jpg

Much better Jo... its ready for colour..:wave:

nana b
11-28-2006, 12:25 AM
Bruce, a quick question. Why can't we click on these thumbnail pictures and enlarge them? We need to be able to see what you are talking about.
I think it would help us all.

Thanks, nana

lisilk
11-28-2006, 12:29 AM
Bruce, a quick question. Why can't we click on these thumbnail pictures and enlarge them? We need to be able to see what you are talking about.
I think it would help us all.

Thanks, nana

Nana~ Just click the line that says regarding this entry>>then the purple link to see the picture larger. Don't click on the picture itself.

AnnieA
11-28-2006, 01:29 AM
...no you don't have to redo the teeth I think they're fine.

Whew! :clap: Thanks, Bruce!

bruce johnson
11-28-2006, 02:29 AM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57148

drawing with some values
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/45744/tn_Img_1030.jpg%28600%29.jpg

Excellent Pat , you're ready for colour now..

bruce johnson
11-28-2006, 04:54 AM
I'm still having problems uploading my updates.. so I'll stay with this format for now..

I have decided that the darks in the hair are warm and the highlights are cool.. I've started by laying down the foundation of the darks which is burnt umber and then i will gradually change to Burnt Sienna as the hair moves into the light.. I will come back and deepen the burnt umber with ultramarine blue.. to really push it back.. http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Nov-2006/17761-NZ_trip_023.jpg

bruce johnson
11-28-2006, 04:58 AM
Here I've added a little burnt sienna as the shadow moves into the light.. it doesn't show up too well with the flash but IRL the contrast is noticeable

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Nov-2006/17761-NZ_trip_024.jpg

bruce johnson
11-28-2006, 05:01 AM
Here I've started to add ultramarine to deepen the shadow and then blended it with a colour shaper..

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Nov-2006/17761-NZ_trip_025.jpg

bruce johnson
11-28-2006, 05:07 AM
I've started to add some of the lighter midtones which are cool yellows (lemon yellow) cool green (pthalo green light) cool blue (pthalo blue light) some white, Indian red

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Nov-2006/17761-NZ_trip_026.jpg

bruce johnson
11-28-2006, 05:14 AM
I've continued to build the highlights and get the general flow of the hair.. it looks a little out of focus on the computer but IRL its stands out quite well..I will continue to build the hair in this manner all over and then go back over it and adjust for light and hue... I am blending at all times to ensure a soft look.. I will add a few crisp strands of hair at the end to give the impression of hair standing out from the main body of hair.. I'll aslo check the overall light on the hair to ensure it makes the head look spherical..

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Nov-2006/17761-NZ_trip_051.jpg

bruce johnson
11-28-2006, 05:30 AM
Here's the colours I've used so far. I forgot to include yellow ochre which I used to contrast the cool yellow with a warm yellow,
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Nov-2006/17761-NZ_trip_052.jpg

Sunflwr1
11-28-2006, 07:02 AM
Oooooo how exciting!!! We're getting started and what a great start I see! Looking good:clap: Unfortunately I have to go back to work after a wonderfully long holiday weekend, but I'll be anxious to get started tonight when I get home!:)

Bruce, you could tell me the numbers of the colors, I have the exact same set. Thanks!

Oops, maybe I don't have the same brand. I thought you were using Rembrandts?

Happy Painting,
Marcia

GoldenArt
11-28-2006, 09:02 AM
This project has inspired me. I should say this site. I have never done a portriat of any kind and this will be my second pastel. The first was oil pastel on a watercolor base. I will try soft pastels this time. I look forward to trying. I will try to post updates so I can get good c&c because I know I will need alot of help. Did I say how much I love this site?

Pat Isaac
11-28-2006, 09:10 AM
I will be posting my sketch later today. I'm a little behind. I'll be working in oil pastel. Do you want me to put my colors up? I think I have those colors in OP.

Pat

Jolanta
11-28-2006, 10:56 AM
Thank you Bruce. I will work on this tonight. This is the way I like to learn - one step at the time so I know what I am doing. You are great:clap:
Jolanta

Jolanta
11-28-2006, 11:28 AM
WOW!!! 33 artists signed up:clap: :clap: :clap: Bruce are you ready for hard work? You can tell we love your work:D :lol: :D
Jolanta
PS: pressure, pressure - don't worry, just do what you always do with your wonderful paintings and we will follow you...... let me see if I can figure out the color temperature. This is mainly what I want to learn. Thanks again.

AnnieA
11-28-2006, 11:57 AM
... I'll be working in oil pastel. Do you want me to put my colors up? I think I have those colors in OP.

Pat: I sure would appreciate seeing an oil pastel color list. I'm thinking I'll work in soft pastel for this, but I am also considering trying it in oil pastel, either at the same time, or after I complete the soft pastel one. (I have all those luscious Sennelier colors that are just begging to be used for a portrait.)

mauricar
11-28-2006, 02:05 PM
I am doing something wrong. I added color, but it doesn't look like hair. I made the mistake of putting a oil pastel in one spot, and it doesn't blend, so I went back to soft pastel. Perhaps my colors are wrong. I stopped with a lemon yellow on the right side because I didn't want to mess it up too badly.
Midge
BRUCE< HELP!

Piper Ballou
11-28-2006, 02:32 PM
Midge,
can you post it here, maybe someone can help a little. I finished my step 1 and posted it in the project area...mine doesn't look much like hair either yet....
piper

mauricar
11-28-2006, 02:42 PM
ARe you sure you are ready for this?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Nov-2006/71456-000_1590.jpg
Is this the sadest hair you have ever seen or what?!
Midge

Piper Ballou
11-28-2006, 02:48 PM
Midge...I think, and this is only my humble opinion because I have never painted human hair, only animal fur....that you did not put in enough darks before the lights...go and look at Bruce's steps, he started with the dark darks and then got lighter as he went...
and it does look like hair....I know I have a student with that color hair for sure...LOL
piper

Pat Isaac
11-28-2006, 03:21 PM
Keep going Midge. Itdoes look like hair you just have to keep layering some more. OPs don't blend until you add more color to blend it into. Just one color will sit there until you add more color.
I should be starting my color in the next few days. I know I won't be working as fast as all of you as I am rather busy this month, but I'll try and keep up. Yes, Annie, I will post colors as I go.

Pat

Jolanta
11-28-2006, 03:57 PM
Midge - you are ahead of everybody!!!:clap: You did the whole hair already.
Slow down and do what Bruce is doing. I think this will help you to deal with darks and lights. I need to mess with it tonight. Don't know what is going to happen???
Jolanta

mauricar
11-28-2006, 04:05 PM
Okay, I darkened some areas, and added some areas. It still isn't right. I think I'll wait until Bruce tells me what to do. Thanks for the insight. Midge http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Nov-2006/71456-000_1597.jpg

bruce johnson
11-28-2006, 05:24 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57159


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/34440/tn_Julie_Line_Drawing_112706.jpg

This looks fine binkie... you're ready for colour..and you're very welcome...

bruce johnson
11-28-2006, 05:38 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57157

first layer of color
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/71456/tn_000_1589.jpg

Wow you've jumped right in there Midge..

Ok the first and most obvious thing I notice is that the yellow you have used in the hair is a warm yellow (it tends towards orange) By using a warm yellow for the highlight and a warm hue for the shadows(darks) your painting will look flat (2D) The dark shadow with cool highlights (lemon yellow, tends towards green) will make the hair look layered and natural.. Colour temperature is very important for indicating 3Dimensional effect. This will become more evident when we move onto the facial features.. I would use a stiff brush and remove as much of the yellow as possible, then begin again by laying down the warm dark shadows (burnt umber and burnt sienna, with ultramarine blue dropped in and blended.. then look closely at Julies hair and lay in strokes of cool colours to indicate the locks of hair...blend each stroke as you go.. Look for different colours you see in the hair, there are reds blues greens and yellows, even a little pink on some highlights.. Study the ref in detail, observe everything.. that is the key to great portraiture.. :wave: :thumbsup:

bruce johnson
11-28-2006, 05:47 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57160

Julie 1st phase
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/33616/tn_jul1.jpg

OK Deirdre You're on the right track here. your colour temperature is correct. could probably do with some more cool yellow and cool green highlights to give the hair a more layered look.
Also when you start a lock of hair continue it all the way so that the strands look long and natural..
Don't state every strand of hair that you see in the ref. let the viewer look for the hair, do this by using lost and found edges. fade some strands in and out a little. Look closely at the reference and see how this is done naturally by the sunlight as it touchs different parts of the strand of hair.. this is what will give your hair realism.. :wave: :thumbsup:

bruce johnson
11-28-2006, 05:51 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57156

Step 1
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/8539/tn_la_carte_paper1.jpg

This is looking good piper., nice layering effect.. I would lay some cool yellow and cool green into the highlghts to give the impression of straw blonde.. too much white will make the hair look grey.. it should be only a highlight not the dominant colour.. Also a few strokes of yellow ochre and indian red will bring the colour more to its actual shade.. :wave: :thumbsup:

*Deirdre*
11-28-2006, 05:52 PM
Thanks Bruce:D ...did you sneak a bit of skin on her forehead in there too?:evil: :lol: As you saw...I stopped short, waiting for the instruction!:wave:

bruce johnson
11-28-2006, 05:55 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57148

drawing with some values
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/45744/tn_Img_1030.jpg%28600%29.jpg

Very nice drawing Pat.. time for colour now.. :clap:

bruce johnson
11-28-2006, 06:00 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57155

Handrawing of Julie's portrait
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/35025/tn_Julie%27s_Line_drawing.jpg

Well done Rose, I'm pleased you tried my system (actually its not my system, it was developed by the old masters, but it works). Its a good idea to take some time and observe how the eye line and mouth line give you your perspective.. this can be used for future knowledge..
Good drawing.. ready for colour now..:clap:

bruce johnson
11-28-2006, 06:03 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57158

initial sketch
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/35760/tn_juliesketch.jpg

This looks fine Pat... I'm not very conversant with oil pastel but if you keep to the correct colour temp it should work out the same as for soft pastel.. :wave:

pequan
11-28-2006, 06:20 PM
Bruce: could you PLEASE do a color chart for us.....a good deep stroke on paper to show the actual colors you are using.... I have no idea what half of these colors look like and my pastels have no labels.....I hope this isn't asking to much....I see your pastels, but they have the paper on them and that makes it hard to see..
thanks, Pequan/Linda

Pat Isaac
11-28-2006, 06:23 PM
Thanks, Bruce. They are similar in many ways and yet they are different.

Pat

bruce johnson
11-28-2006, 06:30 PM
Hi Linda I'll do a colour chart tonight when I get home.. no problem..

pequan
11-28-2006, 06:37 PM
THANK YOU BRUCE, you are fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bock
11-28-2006, 06:40 PM
Hello all, just got home and see we are into the color now. Will change clothes and get my palette out. Can't wait! Should we go ahead and work all the hair this way or stop where you did Bruce?
Pat

Jolanta
11-28-2006, 07:10 PM
I have an idea for some of us who don't have wrappers on pastels to figure out the right colors. Since all the colors have the same names in different mediums I did dig out my acrylics and oil paints and watercolors and all of them have names on them:D I picked the colors I need, will put a dot on white paper and match my pastels with it. How about this??? Where is the will there is a way hehehe:lol:
Jolanta

mauricar
11-28-2006, 08:50 PM
Jolanta, I didn't know that lemon yellow came in warm and cool. My pastels are not being friendly to me. Perhaps it is too long since I have used them. Also, my eyes are not as good as they should be. I can't see all the different colors in things anymore.
Midge

pequan
11-28-2006, 09:30 PM
great idea Jolanta...I am heading down to my play room to do exactly that..hope I have those colors...thanks
_____________
Pequan/Linda

Jolanta
11-28-2006, 09:35 PM
Midge - yellow comes in cool and warm. Cool yellow is lemon yellow with the hint of green. Yellow ochre is warm with a bit of red. Look at all your yellows and you will see - cool yellows will be very light (bright) and warm will be going toward orange. When you look at your greens - the lightest and brightest will be very close to yellow right? Now think about lemon when it is not ripe is greenish. Now play with your colors and you will feel better.:D
It takes some looking and trying. I hope I didn't confuse you even more, and I hope I got it right:lol:
Think about color of lemon and color of mustard - got it? Lemon - cool, mustard - warm - you got it:clap:
Jolanta

bock
11-28-2006, 10:05 PM
My husband just walked by and asked if I was doing Mick Jagger! So much for likeness!!:lol:

Pat (Bock)

Jolanta
11-28-2006, 10:24 PM
I just wanted to comment here. System didn't want to take my file and when it took I didn't have a chance to say it.
Bruce - I love the colors you are using on blonde hair. It is pretty hard to make it look real with the colors I was using in the past. Thank you - I already learned something very important. One more thing. My scanner is killing highlights and some colors no matter what I do with it to make it close to the real. You have to believe me it looks much better in the drawing, but I am thinking it will be hard for you to comment on some works. I am pretty sure I am not the only one having this problem. Anyway - I love it so far and am ready for the face. How am I going to fit her face under the hair??? you will have to tell me:D
Jolanta

bruce johnson
11-28-2006, 10:36 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57164

Julieportrait
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/94919/tn_Julieportrait.jpg

Hi Rick welcome to the challenge... your image is very small and I cant quite make out the detail... from what I can see Julie's forehead looks as though it slopes backward too much.. and her chin looks a little on the long side..can you post a larger image..:wave:

bruce johnson
11-28-2006, 10:42 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57167

second attempt at color on hair
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/71456/tn_000_1602.jpg

Hi Midge
The reason your hair doesn't look real is it is too uniform.. Look at Julies hair and note the different directions the locks take.. also look at all the values you can see in the hair. On a scale of 1 to 10 where 1 is white and 10 is black I would say that all the values from 1 to 9 are present.. I never use black.. the value 9 is achieved by going in dark with ultramarine and burnt sienna... or if you want really dark, then change ultramarine blue with prussian blue.. :wave:

bruce johnson
11-28-2006, 10:47 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57170


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/12259/tn_portraithair.jpg

Looking good Jolanta... have a look at the hair and find some more darks that are hidden under the highlights.. push these values and it will give your hair more body and bounce.. it will look light and fluffy.. aslo pick out a few strands of white highlight:wave:

Sunflwr1
11-28-2006, 10:49 PM
Grrrrr! :mad: I've been trying to upload my progress picture of Julie's hair, but with no luck. System must be bogged down or something tonight. I will try again later or early tomorrow morning. My comment was that I see different colors in her hair, skin, etc. but the cools and warms just don't jump out at me.:( but I'm having a great time with it! I'm really tempted to keep going on with her hair, but I'm going to wait for Bruce;)

Thanks Bruce!
Marcia

bruce johnson
11-28-2006, 10:54 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57169

adding hair
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/45744/tn_Img_1032.jpg%28600%29.jpg

Hi Pat doesn't look a thing like Mick Jagger..:p
Your darks look great,, yes you will need more highlights, all the way to pure white in some cases.. I would like to see more cool yellow in the areas where the sun lights the hair most.. there will also be hints of cool green and cool blue (sky reflection). :wave:

bruce johnson
11-28-2006, 11:06 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57168

start of hair
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/81946/tn_wc0707.jpg

Hi Linda
this doesn't look too bad.. yes more highlights and some cool colours around the area where the sun touches the har.. cool green and cool yellow.. this will make the hair shine.. also look for more areas to push the darks between locks of hair.. burnt sienna and ultramarine is the mix.. or something similar.. background is up to you guys.. I would probably probably layiin a little sky blue behing the head and then develop further at a later date... I want everyone to get a god grip on colour temp before we move to far... :wave:

bruce johnson
11-28-2006, 11:12 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57163

Start of Hair Color
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/57688/tn_StartColor.jpg

Good start on the darks Jo, correct colour temp:thumbsup: ... now add some cool yellow and cool green strands as the hair moves into the light... a touch of indian red will also make the hair shine.... :wave:

Jo Castillo
11-28-2006, 11:34 PM
Thanks, Bruce. I worked a little more, blending underneath and using more colors. Looks better now. I posted before I read all the advise you have been giving. :o Thanks for being so generous with your time and skills.

Jo

bruce johnson
11-29-2006, 12:55 AM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57173

still lighter
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/45744/tn_Img_1038.jpg%28600%29.jpg

This is looking fabulous :clap: , quite a unique style....To get a more 3D effect I would soften(blurr) the edges at the back of the head..

bruce johnson
11-29-2006, 04:08 AM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57174

Revised Initial Sketch
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/85002/tn_SketchREV.jpg

Hi Annie

This is fine to start with.. its not a drawing project so no problem.. start on the hair as you say.. and don't forget to eat dinner:lol:

bruce johnson
11-29-2006, 04:22 AM
I did a bit more hair last night.. I'm still using the same colours..it looks a little loose at the moment but I just want to get the general shape of the hair down on paper.. and then refine the curls and locks..

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Nov-2006/17761-NZ_trip_054.jpg

bruce johnson
11-29-2006, 04:47 AM
Had a brain storm last night.. why make up a colour chart when they are already here... click on the links below for the art spectrum and rembrandt pastel colour charts.. I've checked them and they're very close to the actual colours..
:thumbsup:
http://www.artspectrum.com.au/pastels.html
http://www.paletteworld.com/palette-world-items.asp?category=Rembrandt%20Pastels

Selahs art
11-29-2006, 07:32 AM
OOps seems I am forward again, started and could not slow down. Well here is it sorry, I'l try to not do that again, at least I am not finished yet.

Retha

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Nov-2006/94287-DSC00841.JPG

Did run into some trouble with using the watercolour paper.:cat:

Jolanta
11-29-2006, 12:32 PM
Bruce I am just about ready to wipe out my hair (hers) and start over. I cannot get the soft dreamy, blurred look I am after. I am details freak and it shows.
What the heck I will just keep trying and trying....
Jolanta

Jolanta
11-29-2006, 12:37 PM
Do you blend each color alone or apply more than one and then blend them? I don't want to end up with mud.
Jolanta

Chloe_1
11-29-2006, 12:42 PM
Hi Bruce:wave:
Thanks for teaching this course. I am a little late starting; but here it is. It took me awhile...did a free hand drawing. I haven't worked with pastels for awhile so this will be a very good practise.
Thanks for looking and comments. I will stop here until I get further instructions Bruce. Tks.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57200

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Nov-2006/68155-IMG_1574.JPG

lisilk
11-29-2006, 12:44 PM
Bruce, I'm just starting mine but all I have is dark grey ampersand board to work on and I can't see my own lines in pencil. Is it okay if I do the drawing with a lighter colored pencil so it shows up? All the drawings look great so far!

Li

lisilk
11-29-2006, 12:51 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57173

still lighter
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/45744/tn_Img_1038.jpg%28600%29.jpg

This looks fab already!:thumbsup:

Pat Isaac
11-29-2006, 01:07 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57173

still lighter
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/45744/tn_Img_1038.jpg%28600%29.jpg

What a wonderful start to this portrait. Great hair.

Pat

Piper Ballou
11-29-2006, 01:15 PM
Jolanta, I actually started two paintings...one on Canson paper, sort of a practice before the other....

Chloe-did you post your drawing in the project section? looks good to me

I can't tell everyone how much I am learning....it is great to see everyone's work
piper

Chloe_1
11-29-2006, 01:21 PM
Hi starjoy..like your new nick;-)))
Yes it's posted in the project section~(progress update)

mauricar
11-29-2006, 02:08 PM
Pat, that is looking really good. How did you get the detail on the hair strands?
Midge

Jolanta
11-29-2006, 04:01 PM
Bruce I need to comment here. When I do it in the project - I cannot upload:confused: I was looking at your painting of Jon and loved your background so much tried to do something similar. I hope you don't mind.
I wiped the hair first, did background, did the hair again. Maybe I will go back to it after face.
Jolanta

bruce johnson
11-29-2006, 04:14 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57204

Initial sketch
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/17813/tn_PP1.jpg

Hi Li

This looks good... try using a red pencil as that wont show through so much when you add colour... start on the hair when you're ready:wave:

bruce johnson
11-29-2006, 04:18 PM
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My start
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/94287/tn_Portrait.JPG

HI Retha

You've really got into this one.. the skin tones you have used are too dark and in some places the wrong colour temperature.. I would start again and try my palette as we progress.. you will learn how colour temperature helps to model the facial features and make the skin glow... :wave:

bruce johnson
11-29-2006, 04:21 PM
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transferred image
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/67734/tn_DCP_9586_0001.jpg


HI beachwalker this is a good accurate line drawing... you're ready for colour..welcome to the project... :wave:

bruce johnson
11-29-2006, 04:24 PM
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Julie
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/68155/tn_IMG_1574.JPG

Hi Cloe this is very small and a little hard to see.. can you post a larger image next time.. from what I can make out the chin seems a little too pointed.. Welcome to the forum...:wave:

bruce johnson
11-29-2006, 04:27 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/78750/tn_Portrait_Challange_027.jpg

This is looking good nana... add a little cool yellow (lemon yellow ) highlights to the front fringe of hair and you've got it...well done :clap:

bruce johnson
11-29-2006, 04:30 PM
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hair - first step
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/30113/tn_hair.jpg

THis is looking great Marcia.. good warm darks and cool highlights. its starting to glow ...well done:clap:

lisilk
11-29-2006, 04:33 PM
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Hair 1
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/17813/tn_PP2.jpg

Got the line problem handled ( ended up using charcoal) but I need HELP!!!! lol. I have only done portraits of black people in pastel and I'm so lost on the hair. I've also NEVER blended before and all I have is my fingers.lol. Are the darks dark enough?

Thanks

bruce johnson
11-29-2006, 04:34 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/34440/tn_JULIE_PORTRAIT_HAIR_2_112906.jpg

HI binkie the hairs not too bad, you've just used too much warm yellow,... (tending to orange)brush this out a little andadd some lemon yellow and a little amount of light cool green(pthalo green) blend the green in with the yellow it will make the hair shine.. :wave:

AnnieA
11-29-2006, 04:36 PM
Bruce: that looks fabulous. I'm gonna be looking closely at your posts as I do the hair on my portrait. You make it look so easy!

I did have a question: what about the background? I'm just a little concerned that if I get the hair just right, I'm only gonna mess it up when I have to put in the background, especially since Julie's hair is so spiky and will show a lot of the background through it. For those of us who are going to be struggling to get the hair done properly in the first place, would you recommend perhaps painting in around the hair with some color (that's the second question!) so that we won't have to mess with it once it's done? And the second question is, of course, what colors do you recommend for the background? As I look at this, I'm thinking it should include a lightish blue, to mimic the look of the actual sky, as her facial expression clearly shows the effect of the sun, but I don't really see many light blue tones in her skin, so I'm not certain about that. I've read that background should incorporate colors that are in the subject itself. ...or are you thinking that we should be putting in the actual background?

I told you I ask a lot of questions... :lol:

bruce johnson
11-29-2006, 04:38 PM
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Step 2-more hair
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/8539/tn_Julie2.jpg

Hi piper looking good... the lights are too light at the top of the head, stand back and look at the hair as a complete shape and identify the tonal values. adjust as you see the values... :clap:

AnnieA
11-29-2006, 04:42 PM
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still lighter
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/45744/tn_Img_1038.jpg%28600%29.jpg

Wow...very nice!

AnnieA
11-29-2006, 04:45 PM
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Julie 1st phase
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/33616/tn_jul1.jpg

That's looking really good, Deidre. I'm also planning to fill in with other pastel brands for the ones I don't have as Rembrandts. It looks like it's working just fine for you.

AnnieA
11-29-2006, 04:48 PM
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start of hair
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/81946/tn_wc0707.jpg

Another great job...very nice Linda! I'm really impressed by how real the hair looks.

Chloe_1
11-29-2006, 04:52 PM
Hi Bruce,
I fixed the chin a little and posted a bigger size.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Nov-2006/68155-IMG_1575.JPG

beachwalker
11-29-2006, 05:00 PM
HI beachwalker this is a good accurate line drawing... you're ready for colour..welcome to the project... :wave:

Thanks, Bruce. This afternoon I got a bit of a start on the hair. I just uploaded the image. Hope I'm on the right track.

Thanks also for this great opportunity improve my skills! It's been quite a while since I've worked in this medium and I'm pretty far out of my comfort zone.:eek:

pequan
11-29-2006, 06:21 PM
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some hair
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/67734/tn_DCP_9603.jpg

WOW, this hair is gorgeous....good job

bock
11-29-2006, 06:37 PM
Thanks Li, Pat and AnnieA. I'm getting there. I do like color.:)

Midge, Thanks, I kind of squinted to find what I thought was the deepest color in each area and then laid that foundation in. Then went back and layered on the other colors I saw on top. I blended it all after that and went back to try to find the blues, greens and highlight areas. I used the color shaper to pull back any darks that I wanted to show through that got covered. Then, blended again. It still is too dark I think and I'll work some more on it tonight.

I'm really trying to follow Bruce's instructions because I want to learn, but I guess we all will have a different style because we are, after all, different! I really like what everyone is doing. Each one has it's own charm and the interpretations are awesome.:clap:

Pat

lisilk
11-29-2006, 07:18 PM
I am getting incredibly frustrated. I haven't been this bad at anything in ages!:( :( :( I am really NOT UNDERSTANDING HOW TO BLEND! The hair is all the wrong colors even tho I am using as close to what Bruce is as I have. I am close to tears! Someone please show me how to blend!

Li

*Deirdre*
11-29-2006, 07:39 PM
Li...please do not do this on your drawing! Test piece only!
Draw several dark line close together...lay two or three lighter lines over. place one finger over the start of the lighter lines, lightly drag finger/ shaper in the direction of the lighter lines...you should see the difference between the original and the blended lines....it's all a matter of practice...you can pull, drag or push the finger or shaper...try some curved shapes. Try another piece with lines of different colours ...pull your finger over the first bit...and you should see the powdery lines 'settle' into place...neaten up, so to speak...only mine never does! There are lot's of different ways to make that damn dust behave...so if you find anymore...let me know!
PS...do not cry during the practice...you could end up looking like a warrior!
PS...I'll send you a pm...:wave:

lisilk
11-29-2006, 07:44 PM
Thank you Dee.:wave: I'll go try again. I just can't believe how bad I am at this! ROTFLOL...and crying!

Jolanta
11-29-2006, 07:46 PM
Li - You are not alone:D :lol: My style is so detailed it is getting on my nerves. I signed for this project to loosen up and make my pastels portraits more paintarly looking. I am suffering the same way you are. It is a torture to me. I already had to wipe off the hair and start over. I tell you this is a HARD work here. Since I did my hair twice I will suggest you layers darkest darks first and blend them. I use my pinky and anything I can think of.:lol: Then apply some other colors and blend them as you go, but go really light. Don't put all the colors and then blend - you will end up with mud!!!
Have a light touch and watch what's happening. I have to tell you I never worked this hard on the hair, but it is worth it to break our habbits.
I love what Bruce did with his latest pastel paintings and I want to try this. I stole his background and he will probably never talk to me again. I wasn't even close to his approach, but I think this background will work for her.
I am sooooo glad I signed up for this project. It is pushing me way over my comfort zone and I feel frustrated and happy at the same time.
Jolanta

beachwalker
11-29-2006, 07:47 PM
Li...please do not do this on your drawing! Test piece only!
Draw several dark line close together...lay two or three lighter lines over. place one finger over the start of the lighter lines, lightly drag finger/ shaper in the direction of the lighter lines...you should see the difference between the original and the blended lines....it's all a matter of practice...you can pull, drag or push the finger or shaper...try some curved shapes. Try another piece with lines of different colours ...pull your finger over the first bit...and you should see the powdery lines 'settle' into place...neaten up, so to speak...only mine never does! There are lot's of different ways to make that damn dust behave...so if you find anymore...let me know!
PS...do not cry during the practice...you could end up looking like a warrior!
PS...I'll send you a pm...:wave:

Dee, I was just trying to think how to tell Li the same thing, although I'm just getting back into this myself. That damn dust does seem to have a life of its own, doesn't it? I'm having fun with this project, though, and it is a wonderful diversion from the tightness of colored pencil. :D

bock
11-29-2006, 07:53 PM
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Bad hair day
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/17813/tn_PP3.jpg

Hi Li, I think you have the movement of the hair right, just keep pushing the lights and the magic will start to happen. You're probably used to working from light to dark with watercolor (beautiful by the way) and this feels very different. Are you using your fingers or a blender?
Pat

lisilk
11-29-2006, 08:04 PM
OMG~ Thank you Deirdre, Jolanta, Cindy and Pat! I feel like such an idiot. I always work dark to light but I've only done black skin and hair ( in pastels) and I work very fast and VERY loose....and clearly never blend. ( Deridre is probably the only one who has seen my work.) That's why I signed up for this, to learn a different way to work. I am not accustomed to working so meticulously and I'm really BAD at it. lol.

I don't have a blender, I don't even have an eraser ( I just discovered.:rolleyes:) I am not getting ( well...everything...but besides that) how you are separating the strands but I won't give up. Yet. lol.

Thank you all for trying to help!!!!!!:heart: I will go back and try again.

Li

pequan
11-29-2006, 08:40 PM
Li: use your fingers to blend if you don't have a blending tool....gently, ever so lightly, run your finger over some pastels, then wipe your finger off, and do it again, and wipe off and do it again...hahahah sounds so easy doesn't it? (sent you a pm).... very frustrating trying to paint like someone else isn't it??? to quote Jolanta "I feel frustrated and happy at the same time."
_____
Linda

Jolanta
11-29-2006, 08:48 PM
Here we go. To separeate the strands once you have your darks blended, think about the mass of hair not single hair strands. Single bright highlighted strands is the LAST thing to do after you done with everything else. I was drawing lots of single hair here and loved the colors, but it didn't look the way I wanted. Had to start all over. Still not too happy, but I can go back to it after painting the face. Let's see how this will go:confused:
Jolanta

nana b
11-29-2006, 09:06 PM
I am having trouble with the blending also. I have 4 questions, please:eek:

1. Color Shapers--What are we talking about? Excluding fingers.

2. Are color shapers the same thing as blenders?

3. Do you blend after each color?

4. Do you apply your cool and warm colors in the same area or the warm
colors in the lights and the cool in the shadows?

nana b

Jolanta
11-29-2006, 09:17 PM
Color shapers are special tools to blend for pastels. They have a silicone tip rounded like brush or flat. I have them, but mine are too small for this job.
I did use for her hair my pinky, folded paper towel piece, you could try q-tips too or paper blenders. Just make sure you are cleaning the blending tool as you go so you will not contaminate other places and colors as you go.
Keep trying - we all suffer:lol:
Jolanta

AnnieA
11-29-2006, 09:55 PM
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Hair 1
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/85002/tn_Julie_Hair_1.jpg

This is my own sketch. I wanted to ask if there was anyone who could help me a bit with the eyes, which just don't look right. I wanted to make Julie's gaze a little more open, but I just really don't have the experience with portraits to know how to do that. As I have it now, her mouth is smiling but I don't think her eyes really are. Are the eyes too close together? Julie's eyes also look much younger, although some of that won't happen in the final.

Any assistance will be much appreciated. I was thinking maybe if there was an experienced portrait person participating, perhaps they could assist, as Bruce certainly already has his hands full!

(P.S. Don't worry about all the wierd lines on her cheek...it will be all covered up with pastel anyway. I was trying to learn/understand the musculature.)

lisilk
11-29-2006, 10:05 PM
Thank you Jolanta and Linda. I walked away for a while so I could settle down. lol.

P.S. Your drawing looks really good Annie.

Jolanta
11-29-2006, 10:32 PM
Annie - I think you have her eyes just about right. She is squinting from the sunshine, so they will be very narrow. Don't worry about eyes yet. Keep working on the hair. It is quite a challenge - to me anyway:lol:
Jolanta

Jo Castillo
11-29-2006, 10:54 PM
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Hair 1
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/85002/tn_Julie_Hair_1.jpg

This is my own sketch. I wanted to ask if there was anyone who could help me a bit with the eyes, which just don't look right.

This is a great drawing and nice start on the hair. Don't worry about the eyes yet. :) Nice work.

Jo

AnnieA
11-29-2006, 11:08 PM
Thank you, Li and Jolanta. I guess I'm overly worried, because every other time I've done a portrait I've left things unresolved in the drawing to work out at the pastel stage. Big mistake for me! I can't really see my drawing that well right now - I'm too involved with it, so I appreciate the positive feedback.

I discovered something about blending. If you don't have a large color shaper, you can sort of blend with a ArtGum eraser (I mean the square brownish ones, not the kneadable type), if you don't apply much pressure. (Be careful to make sure it's cleaned of any other colors of pastel than the one you are blending though.) I tried a cotton ball, but that just pulled the pastel off. Things sort of get blended too, by the next pastel color you put down.

I'm proceeding with the hair, but I've also begun to put in a background. Since the paper I'm using is prone to white spots (it's a cheap student watercolor paper :( and I should have realize it's limitations before I started), I think I really have no choice. Thanks Jolanta the idea on how to do the background!

bruce johnson
11-29-2006, 11:13 PM
Hi guys

Wow!!!! you're all well into it.... Sorry I only got half way through your updates this morning, I'm having a busy day at work today with Trade Union woes...

I'll go and finish off the critiques and then come back and answer your queries...I never dreamt that the project would be this popular, although I did suspect that it would be challenge to every artist...

Back soon :wave:

bruce johnson
11-29-2006, 11:16 PM
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Julie sketch
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/88719/tn_julie_sketch.jpg

Hi Alecto nice line drawing .. this will look good with colour... welcome to the challenge, actual I think its becoming more ...welcome to the torture chamber.. :lol:

bruce johnson
11-29-2006, 11:20 PM
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some hair
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/67734/tn_DCP_9603.jpg

Excellent work beachwalker.. your experience with CP is showing through.. lovely light hair.. :clap: :clap:

bruce johnson
11-29-2006, 11:33 PM
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Bad hair day
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/17813/tn_PP3.jpg

Hi Li

Sorry I wasn't here to help you this morning, don't get frustrated as this is a very difficult project, and the hair is as difficult to paint as you will ever encounter..

You have had some very good advice as to how to blend.. fingers are fine to blendwith just use a very light touch..

You have dropped in a little too much deep blue into the areas where there should be highlight.. just use a stiff paint brush to brush some of this pastel off and start again.. most things can be fixed.. chin up and I'll keep an eye on you.. :thumbsup:

bruce johnson
11-29-2006, 11:40 PM
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Hair 1
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/85002/tn_Julie_Hair_1.jpg

Hi Annie...this line drawing looks excellent and you wanted to trace... :p no more trace for you my girl:lol: :lol:
Don't worry about the eyes yet, or the background.. lets tackle and solve each problem as we encounter it other wise we'll make the portrait 3 times harder than it is...

The darks on your hair a the right value,, start to add some hgihlight strands now.. but don't go overboard just a little each time then post.. :clap:

bruce johnson
11-29-2006, 11:44 PM
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hair - almost done
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/30113/tn_hair4.JPG

Hi marcia

THis is looking great, maybe some strands of hair criss crossing to break up the uniformity will give the hair a more natural look.. great either way.. :clap: :clap:

Yes spry some workable fixative and then you will be able to add more pastel..

bruce johnson
11-29-2006, 11:49 PM
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final hair (I hope)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/81946/tn_final_hair.jpg
Hi Linda,, love the colours you have in the hair... you have cropped the front of her fringe a little with the background and this has made her forehead look flat.. also if you spray the whole hair with a little fixative you will be able to go over it and touch up the highlights and make them comeout of the paper:clap:

bruce johnson
11-29-2006, 11:51 PM
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First colour application
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/88188/tn_Juliecol1.jpg

Nice drawing and blending Jaana... the darks are looking a little on the cool side,, add some burnt sienna and blend it into the blues... :clap:

bruce johnson
11-29-2006, 11:56 PM
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Step 2-more hair
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/8539/tn_Julie2.jpg

Hi Piper I'd still like to see some more burnt sienna and burnt umber in the areas close to the very dark, maybe some little amounts of indian red as well.. so that you have more of a colour transition from dark to highlight.. do you know what i mean :wave:

bruce johnson
11-30-2006, 12:12 AM
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Hair continued
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/33616/tn_jul2.jpg

Can't slow you down can I Deirdre...:lol: :lol: This is is looking fabulous lovely soft hair.. the skin tones are looking a little pink and could do with some yellow and burnt sienna... I have a different technique to share with you on how to do skin.. but you'll have to wait.. :evil: :evil:

lisilk
11-30-2006, 12:19 AM
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Hair continued
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/33616/tn_jul2.jpg

Oh but that so look like hair Dee!:thumbsup:

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hair - almost done
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/30113/tn_hair4.JPG

This is looking terrific!

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final hair (I hope)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/81946/tn_final_hair.jpg

Very nice job on the hair color.

bruce johnson
11-30-2006, 12:30 AM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/12259/tn_hairbackground.jpg

Hi Jolanta

THis is going to be a lovely portrait.. I love the shine you have in the hair.. and that background my oh my where did you get the inspiration for those colours :lol: :lol:
Oh and thank you for covering for me when duty calls.. :clap: :clap:

I'm really enjoying seeing everyone being challenged and finding ways of overcoming the problems.. this is how we grow...great stuff.. :clap: :thumbsup:

bruce johnson
11-30-2006, 12:48 AM
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trying to reach blonde
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/45744/tn_Img_1042.jpg%28600%29.jpg

I'd leave it at this stage Pat.. I will try and finish my hair tonight and then start on the skin. I have a different technique for doing skin colours, I like them to glow... You can start on the background if you want something to keep on with, Jolanta has used a colour scheme that I used on a previous painting and it looks good with this portrait... We will be introducing some of the background colours into the hair to give the painting harmony... :clap: :clap:

Jolanta
11-30-2006, 01:03 AM
Bruce - you are my inspiration, and I don't know how to thank you for this.
You are giving me new ideas (not without pain:D ) and taking me to the next level to drawing/painting. I just love this project of yours. It is a hard work, but I enjoy every step of it. You don't want to know what I am thinking when I am fighting this darn hair to make it look the way you do it. It is just natural for you, but not for me:lol:
Waiting for the face, all excited:D
Jolanta

lisilk
11-30-2006, 01:09 AM
You don't want to know what I am thinking when I am fighting this darn hair to make it look the way you do it. It is just natural for you, but not for me:lol:
Jolanta

Well he knows what I'm thinking!:evil: :evil: :evil: So.....after I put the tequila in the blender...than what?:p

I agree tho- great challenge. Thank you Bruce.

AnnieA
11-30-2006, 02:14 AM
Whoops, Jo, we must have cross posted and I didn't see your post (#151) earlier. Thanks very much for your comment on my sketch.

(Telling me not to worry, though, is fairly pointless, although I appreciate the sentiment. I get rather emotionally involved with my paintings. :lol:)

bruce johnson
11-30-2006, 02:40 AM
Hey no problem... you guys are very welcome..I work on the principle that the more you guys want to know the more I need to find the answers ... so I grow too.. selfish huh:lol: :lol:

AnnieA
11-30-2006, 02:42 AM
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Hair 1
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/85002/tn_Julie_Hair_1.jpg

Hi Annie...this line drawing looks excellent and you wanted to trace... :p no more trace for you my girl:lol: :lol:
Don't worry about the eyes yet, or the background.. lets tackle and solve each problem as we encounter it other wise we'll make the portrait 3 times harder than it is...
Yeah, Bruce...but do you know how long it took me to draw this??? :lol: And...(whoops again) I already sort of started on the background, but I'll just leave it, if you say so. :o (...three times harder, did you say? :eek:)

Seriously though, Bruce, thanks again for all your help. :) This is really hard to do, but fun!

Striver
11-30-2006, 03:22 AM
Hi all, good going Bruce, a place to learn am picking up a lot by just reading.
Make a start but not settled in myself and only read up to page 6, way to go. No time now until about Tuesday n/w and should be able to devote some hours selfishly to myself.
Bruce will attempt your line drawing method so any pointers will be appreciated as it looks well worth it. Time to go

Cheers

Les

*Deirdre*
11-30-2006, 08:20 AM
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Hair continued

Can't slow you down can I Deirdre...:lol: :lol: This is is looking fabulous lovely soft hair.. the skin tones are looking a little pink and could do with some yellow and burnt sienna... I have a different technique to share with you on how to do skin.. but you'll have to wait.. :evil: :evil:
I wish I'd seen this earlier...you know about self-doubt, do you?:evil: The reason I included some skin was to see how it reacted with the hair colour, but now there have been a few changes including the skin! I saw the colour you had- far -our left...so I tried to match it...on my photo the skin is quite red anyway...but the highlighted bit is pale pink/lavenderish...which i had done then wiped off....anyway...I've decided the back of the hair needs a makeover!
Actually, I'll probably wipe quite a bit....we're never satisfied, are we?:D

Sunflwr1
11-30-2006, 08:20 AM
Hey Gang! Good Morning! :grouphug:

WOW! Are we doing good or what??? Isn't it amazing... the same photo, yet every entry is a bit different... even though we are trying to mimick Bruce our own unique styles shine thru... and I think they're all fabulous!

lisilk - Thank you for the compliment, made my day:)

Bruce, I appreciate your time and patience... you're so wonderful to spend time on everyone's entry and I learn so much from that even when it's not my own.

Thank you, thank you, thank you so much for doing this {{{{Bruce}}}}
Marcia

beachwalker
11-30-2006, 08:31 AM
Wow, a whole lot went on last night while I was trying to sleep off a cold!

Linda, thanks for your nice comment on my hair post No. 1.:)

Bruce, thank you! I hope I can continue getting the colors close to what I want. I'm working with an old inherited set of Grumbacher portrait pastels, and half of the color-identification wrappers are missing. I really appreciate your posting the color chart links. :thumbsup:

Chloe_1
11-30-2006, 08:42 AM
I resized my drawing. You might of missed it Bruce. It was way back. Here it is. Do I start from dark working myself towards light for the hair? Thanks again.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Nov-2006/68155-IMG_1575.JPG

pequan
11-30-2006, 08:54 AM
ok Bruce, here's some more questions to add to the million you have to answer... you mentioned I flattened out her forehead, how do I unflatten?? and is hair spray a good enough fixative? thanking you in advance,
Linda

*Deirdre*
11-30-2006, 09:24 AM
I hope you don't think badly of me for not commenting on each progression...I thought I'd save it until the end! I worked out that if there were 41 entrants, each commenting on each entry...=1681!!! times that by each progression...and I have a big headache!:eek:
Poor Bruce has to do 41 x however many it takes! :)

*Deirdre*
11-30-2006, 09:28 AM
I resized my drawing. You might of missed it Bruce. It was way back. Here it is. Do I start from dark working myself towards light for the hair? Thanks again.

To get you a quicker answer...I found the post where Bruce started his...no 59 :wink2: (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5159772&postcount=59)

Piper Ballou
11-30-2006, 09:31 AM
Deirdre....1681 posts.....that would be a record....think that is what Bruce is going for...he is going to get a reward for all of this.. I am not making comments on everyone's work either, but looking and reading what Bruce has said
poper

pequan
11-30-2006, 04:45 PM
to many gorgeous paintings to comment on each one...really we are doing good don't y'all agree?
________
Pequan/Linda
HICHRISTA

Pat Isaac
11-30-2006, 05:08 PM
Everyone seems to have such a great start. I hope to add color tomorrow.

Pat

bruce johnson
11-30-2006, 06:36 PM
Hi Chloe...sorry I missed your update. i'm getting so many updates coming at the moment its hard to keep track and the project system doesn't give times of submission only dates, which for people who post several updates on the samy day I may miss them.. at the moment I'm going back through the posts to make sure I don't miss anyone.. something we can sort out for next project... oops did I say that out loud.. :lol:

Welcome to the project Les.. nice to have a fellow kiwi onboard.. :wave:

Hi Deirdre the reason I added a little pink was to redefine my area of hair (I got a bit carried way) , I used a neutral colour(pink) which wouldn't show when I added skin colour. I knew someone would pick it and think I had started.. :lol: :lol: Just shows me that I've got to be careful what I do.. I've never had my paintings under such scrutiny before:p

Hi Marcia thanks for the hugs.. :cool:

Hi Cindy.. so far you're right on the money with your colours so no problem.. :thumbsup:

Hi Linda... just paint Julies hair further out past her forehead, make it look bushier in other words.. doesn't matter if you go too far as we can crop it with backgound colour later.. not sure about hair spray as I've never tried it.. I would try it on a separate piece of paper and see if it works.its more expensive than fixative though... :wave:

1681 updates OMG... :lol: :lol: :lol: The record I would like is to have 41 new pastel portrait artists psoting on Patels forum.... :wave:

bruce johnson
11-30-2006, 06:46 PM
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Julie
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/68155/tn_IMG_1574.JPG

Just revisted your drawing Chloe and I think you need to make Julies mouth a little wider... at the moment it looks like she is growling at me.. which of course is quite on the cards.. :lol:

bruce johnson
11-30-2006, 06:55 PM
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Hair
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/35025/tn_Dcp_4807.jpg

Hi Rose you're doing a lovely job with this.. the hair looks very natural...well done .. :clap: :clap:

bruce johnson
11-30-2006, 07:01 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/88719/tn_pastel_001a.jpg

Hi Alecto this looks great and the background keeps the sunny look.. The darks in the hair could be pushed a little more which will give the hair a more 3D look.. after that spray the hair with fixative and lay in some highlights... good job.. :clap:

bruce johnson
11-30-2006, 07:06 PM
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2nd go at hair.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/88188/tn_juliecol2.jpg

Hi Jaana

There's a little too much highlight and not enough dark now.. this will make the painting look two dimensional.. brush of some of the highlight and strengthen the darks then when you are happy with it spray with fixative and lay in some highlights.. it wont slide then...:wave:

bruce johnson
11-30-2006, 07:09 PM
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Starting Over
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/17813/tn_PasP1.jpg

This looks good, a nice accurate drawing.. lighten the charcoal a little or it will taint the pastel.... start with the darks in the hair then post again... don't go to fast step by step

bruce johnson
11-30-2006, 07:24 PM
Ok because you guys are getting way ahead of me I've started a little of the skin tone on the forehead.. The technique I use is to lay in a little lemon yellow and using a round watercolour brush I spread the pastel evenly, then blend it into the paper.. I then rub some burnt sienna onto my sandpaper, pick it up with th brush and lay it onto the yellow, blend it in and repeat with the burnt sienna until I get the right depth of tone..I will also keep an eye on the temperature of hue as I move around the face..it may go colder, (add alittle blue violet) or warmer (add a little warm red)

Here's the start,. the shadow of the hair was done with red violet ..

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Nov-2006/17761-portraits_210.jpg

Sunflwr1
11-30-2006, 07:37 PM
Hey Bruce... very interesting technique! I'm going to give it a try... and WOW! Julie's hair! Fantastic!

OK Lemon Yellow... I have have 3 different ones. light, medium, and a bit darker. Which one do you use?:wave:

Thanks,
Marcia

binkie
11-30-2006, 09:41 PM
I can sure relate to the frustration related over the hair here. I just can't seem to get the hair to look like I want it. Sigh.

binkie

Sunflwr1
11-30-2006, 10:09 PM
The technique I use is to lay in a little lemon yellow and using a round watercolour brush I spread the pastel evenly, then blend it into the paper.. I then rub some burnt sienna onto my sandpaper, pick it up with th brush and lay it onto the yellow, blend it in and repeat with the burnt sienna until I get the right depth of tone..

Well, I'm quite frustrated... not quite working that way for me. Bruce, your's looks so smooth, mine looks like a yellow and orange waffle. I'm wondering how many layers you have down there? I'm going to sit back and wait for more explanation and demo. *sigh*

Marcia

PaintingMum
11-30-2006, 10:14 PM
Thanks Bruce,
I'll try to bring back the darks. I think I might be a little heay handed with the colours. After I brushed back the highlights it looks very green and red. I'll try to rescue it, but it does get tempting to trash it and start over.
Thank you so much for all your patient help.
Jaana
PS BTW Bruce your portrait is just stunning and you've only done a little bit. I can't wait to see it finished.

Lisilk,
Your drawing is lovely, I like your detail. I can see the importance of detail now that I've started putting in colours. :)

Jaana

nana b
11-30-2006, 10:29 PM
Bruce, what would be a good color for the background or Bruce, what color are you doing the background with? Oh yes, are you using a pale lemon yellow or darker? Thanks, nana b

bruce johnson
12-01-2006, 02:23 AM
Hi Marcia.. If its not working it could be the paper you're using... I have about 6 layers of burnt sienna... its a slow process but works in the end.. if you want to go faster then apply the burnt sienna directly to the yellow and spread lightly with the brush.. then blend, just rub lightly though cos the BS will be very intense.,.THe other way is to spray fixative between layers ... :thumbsup:

Hi binkie Don't panic, its a very difficult hair to paint.. keep going and I'll check in to see how you're going.. :clap:

Hi Jaana Its no problem if you want to start again.. I've got lots of watercolour paintings that will never see the light of day again... ;) The masters never got it right first all the time either:thumbsup:

Hi nana I havn't decided on a background colour yet, I'm tossing up between blue/green/yellow and burnt sienna/Ultramarine/Pthalo Blue :wave:

bruce johnson
12-01-2006, 02:46 AM
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Hair Redo
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/34440/tn_julie_project_hair_113006_wc.jpg

Hi binkie
you've done a great job this time... the hair could be a little finer than you have it but thats not a problem...well done..:clap:

bruce johnson
12-01-2006, 02:51 AM
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major oops
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/81946/tn_startface.jpg

Its not a problem just paint over it. Pastels are opaque and will cover very well.. you may need to spray it to stop the old colours bleeding into your new ones though.... :wave:

AnnieA
12-01-2006, 02:51 AM
Well, I've just erased everything back to the original drawing (thank goodness I sprayed fix all over it before starting the pastel), and at the moment I am in a royal snit over Julie's hair!

I just don't think I understood the concepts, cause what I painted sure turned out awful - far too dark and I just didn't get when/how to blend, etc. But I just went through the entire thread and saved all of your (Bruce's) demos in my favorites, so I'll have them handy to look at when I begin at the beginning (of the hair) again tomorrow. (Part of the problem was I was using wrong colors, as I didn't have that post handy.) Oh well, I'll just learn twice as much by doing it two times...right?

You make it look easy Bruce...but it sure isn't!

bruce johnson
12-01-2006, 02:53 AM
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Most of the hair
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/57688/tn_HairMost.jpg

You're doing a great job here Jo well done.... I love your hair:clap: :clap: ..

Jolanta
12-01-2006, 09:04 AM
Hi Annie - I had to do the hair twice too. Kept going and going and it was turning more and more yellow. I wiped it completely and put a lot of darkest darks first to have a good base, then added other colors but going with wide strokes thinking about the mass of the hair not individual hair. Then only coming closer to the top layers using more details. I was blending each color for the softness lightly. I am glad I did it twice, I wasn't happy with my first go. It looked great under my nose, but from the distance it was too detailed.
Advice for everybody. When you work every once in a while step away and look from the distance - it will help you to grab things you are missing looking up close.
Jolanta

*Deirdre*
12-01-2006, 09:14 AM
Advice for everybody. When you work every once in a while step away and look from the distance - it will help you to grab things you are missing looking up close.
Jolanta
The other way is to half-close your eyes and squint at it...cuts a lot of the detail out, and leaves the large areas...handy, if you're in a small room and can't step back!:D

Jolanta
12-01-2006, 10:52 AM
Hi Dee, I like your portrait. Are you working on Wallis? I started the face and she looks like she has a sunburn:eek: I will finish this one, but already thinking about making another one and using brushes as much as I can. This will be even more challenging. My pastel blender is so small it is not doing much good. Pastel powder and brushes, this will be another try.
Jolanta

pequan
12-01-2006, 10:58 AM
Dee and Jolanta: you two are doing so good... wish I were working on Wallis at least you can get the mistakes off.... you mentioned erasing, how do you do that???? I brushed the pastel off the water color paper as much as I could, and nothing happens....never used a paint brush for pastels before, I think I like the technique, although it is so time consuming...

Jo Castillo
12-01-2006, 11:36 AM
you mentioned erasing, how do you do that???? I brushed the pastel off the water color paper as much as I could, and nothing happens.

You can use a kneaded eraser to pick up most of the pastel (if it hasn't been sprayed of course) :)

All the portraits are looking good. It is fun to see all the different styles, even when we try to copy exactly. Those forgers of the masters must be good!

Jo

Jo Castillo
12-01-2006, 11:39 AM
Oh, I forgot. Someone mentioned using hair spray. I've been warned against that on "real" paintings as opposed to practice, as it is probably not archival and will yellow or crack. Probably fine for this project.

Later,
Jo

Jolanta
12-01-2006, 12:21 PM
I removed all of my hair with folded paper towel piece, lifting and turning and dragging all the way down. I work on watercolor paper, it was stained, but cleaned from pastels so I was able to start again. I didn't use any fixative yet, I don't like the stuff, darkens colors. It is good between layers to keep the tooth of the paper, but final layers of color I don't spray. Hair spray is OK only for exercises. Cleaning means removing pastel dust not the color. Then you can start again and opaque pastels will cover the stains. Hope this helps.
Jolanta

*Deirdre*
12-01-2006, 12:33 PM
Dee and Jolanta: you two are doing so good... wish I were working on Wallis at least you can get the mistakes off.... you mentioned erasing, how do you do that???? I brushed the pastel off the water color paper as much as I could, and nothing happens....never used a paint brush for pastels before, I think I like the technique, although it is so time consuming...
Thanks Pequan & Jolanta...
I'm using a mixture of 3 erasers...to erase larger areas... I might brush off first (H&S-Cover your mouth and nose with a mask before brushing off)then use a large clic eraser and for finer lines the narrow one ...to get the fine highlights I'm using the edge of my electric eraser then the highlights aren't dulled by what's underneath it! Some papers accept erasers better than others....in order of toughness, IME, Wallis, Colourfix, watercolour paper above 150gsm, Sennelier La Carte, Tints, Somerset. Don't quote me though!
I've found it very hard to use the blending technique...I don't normally blend...I'm a layer!:D
On Wallis, unless you blend very lightly indeed, you can remove the skin of your finger....:eek:
I do have pastel blenders, but usually work too quickly to use them properly.
Anyone tried an eye-shadow blender with pastels? I imagine you need one for each colour!

Sunflwr1
12-01-2006, 01:47 PM
Hi Gals:wave:

I'm home on a snow day today, we've gotten 12"+ of snow since midnight so I didn't have to go into work. Been having fun (sorta:D ) with Julie. I was about in tears last night, but have been doing better. I've only worked with pastels a few times and what I'm finding is that you have to get enough layers on before it blends well. I find I'm using my pinkie instead of the brush. The brush just seems to move the pastels around and it falls off the paper. I'm using Arches CP 140#. I also have discovered that I like the blending stumps better than the tortillions. I'm losing her likeness (what I had of her anyway:) ) becasue I'm losing my drawing as the colors build and not sure where to go:lol: . I am having fun though and learning even though I'm not having much success with "Bruce's Way". I'll post a picture later, but now I have to go out and snow blow again:crying:

Happy Pasteling!
Marcia

P.S. This stuff sure is a mess!!!

mauricar
12-01-2006, 02:18 PM
Well, I tried for the third time to get the hair right. Now I am working on the face. This is a different way of working for me. I wish I could get it to come out like Bruce's does, but that may come in 20 years or so.
Midge

Jolanta
12-01-2006, 02:39 PM
Hi Marcia. I work with pastels a lot and they are not really messy. I don't like a thick layers of pastels so I go very thin. They have so much pigment you don't have to go hard on them. Be careful blending together bunch of colors, you may end up with mud and will have to start over again.
Send some snow my way. I love snow. We have a very windy and wet day and I had to do my errands. I did work some with the brush. You need to experiment on piece of paper. Some brushes will just move the dust around, but some will do the job. Another thing to consider is the paper you work on. Slick, smooth paper will not work for brushwork. Watercolor paper is absorbing color and should be just fine.
What I really love about this project is all those different things I have to try to get the right effect. I never had this much fun and frustration, but still more fun at the end.
THANK YOY BRUCE:clap: :clap: :clap:
Jolanta

Pat Isaac
12-01-2006, 03:09 PM
Well, I finally started the hair today and could only go so far as I have to let the colors set up before adding more. These are th OP colors that I used so far.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Dec-2006/35760-1st_colors.jpg
Mostly Senneliers except for the square yellow on the end which is Holbein. Chrome yellow hue 2. Left to right Sennelier - yellow ochre, ultramarine blue,
golden yellow, burnt sienna.

Pat

Piper Ballou
12-01-2006, 03:15 PM
I have decided I am painting this portrait by Zen, just trying to follow Bruce's colors and instructions the best I can.....LOL, I sure hope Julie has a good sense of humor...

I am only painting just what Bruce has painted on her and no more, that is the hard part to follow....but having a great time and learning a lot
piper

Pat Isaac
12-01-2006, 03:26 PM
Just wanted to say thanks for doing this, Bruce. It is a different approach for me and I'm learning new things.

Pat

AnnieA
12-01-2006, 03:41 PM
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hair
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/35760/tn_Julie1.jpg

Looking good, Pat! And it's fascinating to see how different, and yet how similar the oil pastel approach is to soft pastel. Do you feel the techniques Bruce is teaching us transfer readily to oil pastel?

I'm gonna be putting your progress posts in "My Favorites", Pat, so I can come back later and try this again in oil pastel. That is, if I ever do manage to complete it in soft pastel, which at the moment is looking rather iffy :eek: :lol: (j/k, I'm determined to follow this through to the end...). Also, thanks for posting the oil pastel colors you're using - that's very helpful.

Pat Isaac
12-01-2006, 03:53 PM
Thanks, Annie. So far I think the techniques transfer well. The skin technique that he described with the brush wouldn't work with OPs but the color approach would. Just different ways of blending. So far, all I've used is my fingers. I will post more colors as I use them.

Pat

Sunflwr1
12-01-2006, 04:23 PM
Hi Marcia. I work with pastels a lot and they are not really messy. I don't like a thick layers of pastels so I go very thin. They have so much pigment you don't have to go hard on them.

Hi Jolanta:wave:

Thanks for the reply... I think I must be using too much then because when I use the brush the powder is falling right off although there is plenty remaining. I must not have been patient enough and should have kept adding layers of lemon yellow and burnt sienna. I whimped out and used some fleshtones:o I am somewhat happy with it for now. Will take a pic and post it later. I am using Arches CP 140... not hot press.
Send some snow my way. I love snow. I really do too. It's so pretty and since I didn't have to fight it this morning and go to work that made it all that much better.

Thanks again for helping out when Bruce isn't available, or anytime for that matter. Always appreciate your insight!

Marcia

bruce johnson
12-01-2006, 04:40 PM
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hair, omg this is tough.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/94919/tn_Art_group_1_024_edited.jpg

Hi Rick

I'm very pleased you didn't bow out...its a very difficult portrait to paint, and we haven't even got to the hard part yet... :lol: :lol: just kidding. once we get past the hair we are on our way... you have got the idea with the hair, but you need to observe how the hair flows and interacts from lock to lock.. notice where the darks are and how the midtones and higlights are layed over the darks .. I build up very slowly... and it can be frustrating, but the effect in the end is very satisfying... you have pretty much got your skin tones correct.. well done.. you need to observe how they blend and change in colour temperature to give a 3 D effect.. this is next ..:clap: I would rather you start again if you're not happy with your painting.. no problem I'll work through it more with you.. PM me if you need extra help.. :thumbsup:

bruce johnson
12-01-2006, 04:43 PM
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hair
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/35760/tn_Julie1.jpg

Hi Pat I've been looking forward to seeing how the oil pastels look.. very intense colours i like it.. andyes some cool greens and blues will make it jump,, some reds as well to give complementary colour will give thehair some shine.. well done so far.. :clap:

bruce johnson
12-01-2006, 04:47 PM
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Hair
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/35025/tn_Dcp_4807.jpg

Hi Rose I forgtot to answer the second part of your post... Yes we will do a background, or you can leave it as is .. I'm not decided on my background yet.. I don't want to give evryone too many obstacles to overcome at once so, I'm leaving the BG to last.. normally I would have built the BG at the same time as the portrait..

Pat Isaac
12-01-2006, 04:58 PM
Thanks, Bruse. I'll be working on it next week.

Pat

bruce johnson
12-01-2006, 04:59 PM
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Thinned strands of hair and began forehead
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/34440/tn_JULIE_PORTRAT_PROJ_bruce%27s_beginning_forehead_1201

Hi binkie.. you're image isn't showing up,,is it me or is it you..

bruce johnson
12-01-2006, 05:10 PM
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A little forehead
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/8539/tn_Julie4.jpg

Hi piper,...painting by Zen huh!! :lol: I was talking to my wife Sonja about the project and the frustration some of you are having... she said that as a casual observer when she watches me paint she also notices me using some colours which she can't see in the hair, but at the end they all seem to fit...I've thought about this and I realise that its something that I've been doing instinctively without thinking about it...Sonja says that I have to try and relate every stroke that I lay down... which I will try to do... Another thing which may help and i forgot to tell everyone, is I paint direct from the computer screen rather than a ref pic coz I can never get the right colours to print out on my printer..
Your latest update is coming along very well.. I like the colour arrangement now and the losseness of the hair is fabulous.. check out the shadow of the hair you have painted in.. its to dark and needs to tend towards red a little more.. red violet is a good colour.. the dark shadow you have would work fine indoors but not in sunlight.. :clap: :clap:

bruce johnson
12-01-2006, 05:14 PM
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3rd attempt at hair
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/71456/tn_000_1608.jpg

Hi Midge
THis is looking much better. you still have the hairr looking very straight and uniform, but it looks soft and natural.. a big move in the right direction.. you may not see it but I can see you improvement.. even a small step in the right direction is considered to be progress,, so keep growing .. you;re ready to start the skin tones.. :clap:

bruce johnson
12-01-2006, 05:20 PM
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Face 1
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/30113/tn_color2.JPG

Hi Marcia. not too bad at all.. nice modelling of the facial features,. the sunburnt look is because you have used a little too much red, and not enough burnt sienna.. there maye even need to be a little more lemon yellow in places.. I am going to advance my skin tones today and give a more detailed explanation on how the skin works.. I only really showed you briefly how to do the skin without a full explanation( I was short on time) .. I wanted to see how you guys would get on.. might have been a mistake in hindsight.. So full explanation on the way.. just got to have brekkie and then take Ronnie to golf practice.. I'll be back.. :clap:

bruce johnson
12-01-2006, 05:24 PM
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close-up
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/30113/tn_color_close.JPG

Adding on from my previous comment.. the shadow under Julies chin is too dark and cold... there's two temperatures of colour there,.can you see them ..

Also there is some tricks that you will need to know to paint the mouth.. this can be more difficult than the hair.. :evil: :evil: (laughs like dracula)

bruce johnson
12-01-2006, 05:29 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57278

touched up the skin
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/81946/tn_wcstartskin.jpg

Looking fine Linda.. one comment is the eye brows look like they are painted on .. which they are but we don't want anyone to know this.. When it comes to facial features and hair my catch phrase is... Indicate don't state... which means ... use the least amount of paint to indicate the feature.. let the viewer interpret the painting and put in the bits that are missing..ie lost and found edges.. you will understand this better when we start modelling the face.. skin tone colour temp is right on the money.. :clap:

Sunflwr1
12-01-2006, 05:47 PM
Hi Bruce:wave: Thanks for the critique... and compliment:) Adding on from my previous comment.. the shadow under Julies chin is too dark and cold... there's two temperatures of colour there,.can you see themAre you talking about mine or the reference? I did use 2 blues down there without thinking. I'm not too good with the cool and warm colors... and you are right about it being too dark and cold. I didn't like the way it turned out, althought I'm not done with the area. There's a lot going on in that jaw area! I'm going to wait for your direction!:D I am going to advance my skin tones today and give a more detailed explanation on how the skin works.. I only really showed you briefly how to do the skin without a full explanation( I was short on time) .. I wanted to see how you guys would get on.. might have been a mistake in hindsight.. So full explanation on the way:clap: :clap: :clap: I was really floundering last night. My inner child almost had a temper tantrum and trashed poor Julie:D Glad she didn't... had fun with it today!just got to have brekkie and then take Ronnie to golf practice..Please do... I know this is taking so much time, but I you know we appreciate it!!!Also there is some tricks that you will need to know to paint the mouth.. this can be more difficult than the hair.. (laughs like dracula)Perhaps I spoke to soon!:lol: :lol: :lol:

Seems so strange to hear you're taking your son to golf... we just got over a 12" of snow! And Brrrrrrrr! It's cold and getting colder! OK, enough yammering!

See ya later!
Marcia

bruce johnson
12-01-2006, 05:59 PM
Morning everyone:wave: :wave: .. Well it looks like this project is definitely challenging everyone:evil: .. but no-ones quit and you're finding out new ways to do things.. you're all exploring other possibilites, some things will be easy and work for you, somethings may not.. but each time you try something new, you learn and grow from it.. I don't say my techniques are the only way to paint, because thats far from true, what I want you to know though is that by trying different methods you will discover your own systems and develop your own style.. If what I do doesn't work for you then adjust it and try something different.. I would love to see that...because you will be thinking for yourself rather than becoming a BJ clone.. by doing this you will be able to go away from this project with the confidence to attempt difficult paintings and have the tools to work through the challenges.. Basic techniques like drawing accuracy , tonal value and colour temperature havn't changed since before the Masters were finger painting at kindie and they wont change any time soon either, so you must have a good knowledge of these basics, but from these basics you can create master pieces in your own style..

Looking at the updates that have been posted I can honestly say you all have talent, and can become fine artists, some have developed a little further than others, but you all have what it takes, and thats stickability..
Like is said no-ones quit yet,, and this is a tough challenge...

The colours of success are black and blue..

Oops brekkie is ready I'll be back in a flash:clap: :thumbsup:

pequan
12-01-2006, 06:09 PM
oh dear, are we supposed to continue doing the face? I need to get busy if that is the case..........Bruce, does your wife think you are a saint as we all do????
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Linda

bruce johnson
12-01-2006, 06:19 PM
Last night I raced through the hair so that we can make a start on the face.. I'll come back and finsh it later,I just need to get the colours and general shape in so i can reference the facial tones from the hair..

Notice how I still lay the base midtone/dark colour in the hair before i start to build up the midtones and highlights..

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Dec-2006/17761-NZ_trip_061.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Dec-2006/17761-NZ_trip_062.jpg

bruce johnson
12-01-2006, 06:30 PM
Deirdre.. Annie asked me if there was someway we could collate my updates so that they can be found quickly.. any ideas.. Annie suggested a sticky thread,,, If i could post my updates like you guys do it would work but the project page doesn't like me.. :lol: :thumbsup:

*Deirdre*
12-01-2006, 06:42 PM
It's looking good Bruce! :D

I finally figured out where I was going wrong...it's not a level playing field, because I didn't pick up that you were using watercolour paper! :eek: No wonder you had such a light touch compared to me!:evil:
fORGET WHAT i SAID ABOUT COLOURED PENCIL TO DEFINE YOUR DRAWING!
Charcoal will work...but it could leave a grey trace...better brown or green pastel pencil

I am going to continue my wallis one...but I may try to do one on watercolour paper. I've only got Arches rough 14x10 or Bockingford 14x10 140lb, which would you advise?

bock
12-01-2006, 06:44 PM
I uploaded the wrong image and deleted it to get the right one in. Lost my comments so will ask my questions here if that is OK.
I added some background so I could work on the hair ends. Will neutralize it later.
My fleshtones seem way too dark. Will more layers make it lighter and closer to what I am seeing?? I followed instructions using the right colors, paint brush mixing and then blending.
Thanks, Bruce! I think you are having way too much fun with us!:evil:
Am enjoying trying something new!

Pat

*Deirdre*
12-01-2006, 06:52 PM
Deirdre.. Annie asked me if there was someway we could collate my updates so that they can be found quickly.. any ideas.. Annie suggested a sticky thread,,, If i could post my updates like you guys do it would work but the project page doesn't like me.. :lol: :thumbsup:
Ooops! I'm not actually a Pastel Guide Bruce, I'm D&S and AMAE...so you'd need to ask one of the moderators on here for that one.
Why don't you have another go at joining the project yourself, see if it likes you any better now it's got used to it!:D

pequan
12-01-2006, 06:55 PM
dee: you are right, you are not working on the same level playing field.... wish I was working on Wallis paper,(which is my paper of choice), this is really hard, but love the challange...guess I should be doing both so I can compare.....are we to contine with the face?
Linda

Sunflwr1
12-01-2006, 07:04 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57283

This is the right one
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/45744/tn_Img_1043.jpg%28600%29.jpg

Pat, this is wonderful! You were able to achieve what Bruce was showing us:envy: I'm sooo jealous! How did you do it? How many layers to get to that depth? Wonderful:clap: :clap: :clap:

Marcia

bock
12-01-2006, 07:15 PM
Thanks, Marcia. Just trying Bruce's methods. I don't have the flesh stuff down yet so am struggling with that! Really enjoying this and love what everyone is doing even if they are growling!
Pat

beachwalker
12-01-2006, 07:46 PM
Bruce, Marcia wasn't the only one who jumped ahead on the skin tones. I did the same thing today, since I was having a mediocre day with my other project. This was frustrating, too, but a lot more fun. Looking forward to seeing your skin demo . . .:D

Piper Ballou
12-01-2006, 08:50 PM
Bruce, I was having trouble uploading my photos too...

Jolanta posted this about a hundred entries ago...it helped....think you could put your step by step right in the project page

This is how I do it step by step
- bring up pastels forum and scroll down - click on the Project Showcase at the left side
- click on the Project System at the top
- click on the Upload Progress Images on the left
- watch out for the right project - open "project" and click on the right one.
You should be able to upload on this screen


piper

bruce johnson
12-01-2006, 09:22 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57287

Skin tone demo
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/17761/tn_NZ_trip_066.jpg

Thanks piper for some reason it worked this time.. I think it might have been the file size... I think you guys will need to watch out for my updates on the project page as they don't show on the thread until someone makes a comment on them.. :clap: :wave: :thumbsup:

bruce johnson
12-01-2006, 09:34 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57283

This is the right one
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/45744/tn_Img_1043.jpg%28600%29.jpg

Hi Pat this looks lovely.. my only comment is the skin tones are a little dark and get lost in the background.. I would lighten them up a little by just brushing lemon yellow over the skin.. if it doesn't take then apply the LY very lightly direct to the paper and spread with the brush, I'm hoping the tone that is already there will show through.. :clap:

bruce johnson
12-01-2006, 09:37 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57270

reworked hair and forehead
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/33616/tn_jul3.jpg

Looking very sunny and bright.. later you may need to come back and add a few skin hues into the hair to make it look together.. i,e not a wig.. show you that at the end.... :clap:

bruce johnson
12-01-2006, 09:39 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57286

Watercolour paper entry
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/33616/tn_julwcp.jpg

This is looking great Deirdre .. which paper is easier to paint on..

Just be careful that you don't cool your hair shadows dow too mcuh they will stick out like a sore thumb. they should be red tending to violet.

bock
12-01-2006, 09:40 PM
Thanks Bruce. Didn't know how to correct it! Be back after I try that.
Glad you were finally able to upload.
Pat

mauricar
12-01-2006, 09:42 PM
Bruce, I can't print out your photographs now that you are online with the thread. Is there some way to do that? I am trying to make hard copies so I can work with them off line.
Midge

bruce johnson
12-01-2006, 09:42 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57285

Trying to Post Image Again
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/34440/tn_JULIE_PORTRAT_PROJ_bruce%27s_beginning_forehead_1201

Nope still no image binkie:confused:

*Deirdre*
12-01-2006, 10:02 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57286

Watercolour paper entry


This is looking great Deirdre .. which paper is easier to paint on..

Just be careful that you don't cool your hair shadows dow too mcuh they will stick out like a sore thumb. they should be red tending to violet.
I used AS red violet!
As for the paper...WCP is easier on my fingers but doesn't take many layers...I have to erase to put in highlights, Wallis takes up to 25 layers and suits my heavy handed style better!
On both pictures I've stopped the hair short as I intend to put more hair on once the background in in situ...I assumed that was your intention too?

Following your lead...I've just put Lemon Yellow all over her face....didn't check the hue until I saw yours again....Mine had jaundice! :eek: :eek: I have toned it down now! Interestingly...the green CP is hard to cover on WCP!:D

*Deirdre*
12-01-2006, 10:04 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57285

Trying to Post Image Again
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/34440/tn_JULIE_PORTRAT_PROJ_bruce%27s_beginning_forehead_1201

Nope still no image binkie:confused:
Is it saved as .BMP? Should be .gif or better still .jpeg

bock
12-01-2006, 10:05 PM
Yes!! Need to do it a couple more times but it is working.
Pat

bruce johnson
12-01-2006, 10:49 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57289

Skin tone demo 2
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/17761/tn_NZ_trip_0668.jpg

Midge if you click on the link above you can save the large image when it appears.. :wave:

bruce johnson
12-01-2006, 10:52 PM
I'm now going to start on the eyes.. :thumbsup: