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binkie
12-02-2006, 12:06 AM
Deidre, Thanks for the suggestion. I checked the pic and it is in JPG format. I'm going to retake the pic and try uploading it.

Sunflwr1
12-02-2006, 12:13 AM
Beautiful, Bruce... absolutely beautiful! You make it look so easy... I'm going to have to try your way again and be more patient. How many layers would you say you have on there of the Lemon Yellow and Burnt Sienna at this point?

Marcia

P.S. Any possibility of a close-up of the skin?

AnnieA
12-02-2006, 12:29 AM
Any possibility of a close-up of the skin?

Great ideas, Marcia. Like you, I need to watch how Bruce does it more carefully. I hope that this time I'll be good and follow the instructions (:lol:)...it's not something that comes naturally! :evil:

I've had too much to do the last couple of days, so now I feel as if I'm waaaayyy behind most everybody else (and I probably work much slower anyway on top of that). But I'm gonna try to put all that out of my mind, and not hurry too much to catch up, cause that's what goofed me up once already. This isn't a process that can be rushed.

Bruce, in addition to a close up of the face, a close up of the hair (or more than one) could be quite helpful too. And I must say, I loved your work before, but after seeing this demo I have a much greater admiration for it.

Jolanta
12-02-2006, 12:37 AM
I finished my portrait, but had a very hard time to upload it. I cannot post any comments there and was trying for very long time. I don't really know what I am doing wrong.
Bruce, if you want to comment please do it here.
My finished portrait is just glowing in the daylight:D Scanner is not showing a lot of good stuff! I love it, but I plan to do it again using brushes as I mentioned it before. I cheated a bit using pastel pencils for the skin. My portrait is small and I needed to get details there. At first I made the skin too dark, had to correct with lighter pink and white. I used pthalo blue (very dark blue almost black, cool) for the shading under chin and her outfit. I love the way it looks against skin tones which are warm and cool mixture.
This portrait is glowing in real. Thank you sooooo much!!! I never could get this effect in my other works.
Jolanta

AnnieA
12-02-2006, 12:50 AM
Oh, I hope you get the uploading problem solved soon, Jolanta...I really want to see your portrait!

Jolanta
12-02-2006, 01:09 AM
I did manage to upload it. You can take a look. Scanner is not showing a lot of good stuff, but we have to live with it.
Jolanta

Jo Castillo
12-02-2006, 01:28 AM
I did manage to upload it. You can take a look. Scanner is not showing a lot of good stuff, but we have to live with it.
Jolanta
That looks really good and lively. Great color and strokes.
Jo

bock
12-02-2006, 01:30 AM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/12259/tn_portraitfinishedhope.jpg

Oh, she does glow Jolantra! Beautiful work. Hey, you left out the earrings. I have been worring about them for a long time. I'm having a hard time getting my colors to photo right too. Daylight seems to be the best.
Great job, I love it.
Pat(Bock)

bruce johnson
12-02-2006, 01:37 AM
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Hair closeup..
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/17761/tn_NZ_trip_69.jpg

Hair close up

bruce johnson
12-02-2006, 01:38 AM
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Eyes and skin close up
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/17761/tn_NZ_trip_673.jpg

eyes close up

bruce johnson
12-02-2006, 01:39 AM
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Face close up
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/17761/tn_NZ_trip_672.jpg

Still a long way to go folks.. :evil:

bruce johnson
12-02-2006, 01:42 AM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/12259/tn_portraitfinishedhope.jpg

This is a lovely portrait Jolanta.. the skin tones glow... very well done,. hope mine comes out half as good.. :clap: :clap: :clap:

bruce johnson
12-02-2006, 01:45 AM
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Trying to Upload Again
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/34440/tn_julie_project_hair__AND_forehead_120106.jpg

THis is looking great binkie...move on down the face doing the same, and paint in the eyes when you get to them... be careful not to emphasise the eyebrows too much just a hint is all thats required..

Jolanta
12-02-2006, 01:46 AM
Thank you Jo. It wasn't easy you know:D I plan to do it again and use brushes as much as I can.
Pat- thank you. I left out the earings (they are not this important to me). What I wanted to accomplish in this drawing/painting project was using right colors, show the glow of the face in the sunshine, make the hair look realistic and I think I am close to it. I am sorry I cannot operate my computer good enough to show the real thing. I am happy with my drawing. I don't have a clue what Bruce will think about it, but I am very glad I did it and pushed myself to the higher level with my drawing. Now when I will get commission with blonde hair in color I will not get nervous about it, but just do my best and please the client. Isn't this great???:D
Thank you Bruce - I needed it.
Jolanta

bruce johnson
12-02-2006, 01:52 AM
You're very welcome Jolanta.. funny how blonde hair isn't really blonde when you look at.. and study it.. theres lots of colours in there. :clap:

bruce johnson
12-02-2006, 03:36 AM
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Nose detail
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/17761/tn_NZ_trip_676.jpg

I think Julie is starting to come alive and I'm getting excited.. this is the fun part..

binkie
12-02-2006, 03:41 AM
Jolanta, your portrait is beautiful. Julie just glows. I love the background.

binkie

bruce johnson
12-02-2006, 06:28 AM
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Mouth detail
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/17761/tn_NZ_trip_679.jpg

Looking at the screenI can see that I have gone to deep with the pink in the skin tones,. I'll change this at the end when i do my final detailing... :wave:

Pat Isaac
12-02-2006, 08:25 AM
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Skin tone demo
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/17761/tn_NZ_trip_066.jpg

Great idea, Bruce. I like having them in one place.

Pat

Pat Isaac
12-02-2006, 08:27 AM
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This is the right one
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/45744/tn_Img_1043.jpg%28600%29.jpg

You're really moving along here. Nice background.

Pat

Jolanta
12-02-2006, 09:48 AM
Bruce - your portrait is very alive already:clap: I did the same with the pink and gave her sunburn at first, but was able to tone it down. Lemon yellow against pink is great combination. I would never think of it. Thank you again:D
Jolanta

mauricar
12-02-2006, 09:53 AM
Bruce, when I print these out now, I can't get the words into the printout. I can get the photo, but it is not what helps me to learn. I need your monolog as well. For example, in the eyes and skin close up, when I try to print it out, the words go off the page and the picture is on the second page.

Oh well, I guess I'll just have to do the best I can. I"ll work on it.
Midge

*Deirdre*
12-02-2006, 10:50 AM
Midge Try select all - copy then paste into Word...then you can arrange how you want it!:D

pequan
12-02-2006, 11:11 AM
I am sure I missed it some where, can you please repeat how you did the teeth, and gums....thanks so much
Linda

*Deirdre*
12-02-2006, 11:19 AM
I am sure I missed it some where, can you please repeat how you did the teeth, and gums....thanks so much
Linda
Go back to post 268 and click on the link...or go to the project and look at progress photos!

pequan
12-02-2006, 11:30 AM
thanks Dee....

Sunflwr1
12-02-2006, 11:38 AM
Bruce, I am totally in awe! What you achieve is just amazing. I am definitely going to have to try this again from scratch and follow your method exact. I want to be able to catch the luminosity and depth that you do. Stunning!:clap: :clap: :clap:

As I'm taking notes I do have some specific questions:D

1. What lemon yellow are you using? I have 3 different ones with my Rembrandt Portrait set.
205,9 very light
205,8 medium
205,5 very yellow... which one?

2. Am I right? You apply the lemon yellow granules with a brush and then blend that into the paper, then apply the burnt sienna granules with a brush and then blend that into the paper with a shaper as apposed to your finger? Then you do another layer of both colors, then another layer of both until you reach the depth that you want. Correct?

3. When you're done layering the skin tones is the tooth pretty much full?

4. Detail of the eyes, squint lines, etc. are they done with a pastel pencil or the edge of your stick?

5. The hair... you are pretty much blending all the colors to get the depth and then leaving the final hilites as stroke work?

Sorry for all of the questions, but I didn't know the specifics so I blundered on my own. I want to learn!:)

I don't know if you have to be at a certain level, but I'm going to try and rate this. It is sooo well deserved!!!

Again thank you so much for this!
Marcia

Alecto
12-02-2006, 12:26 PM
Okay, need some help here. I'm trying to blend the skin tones but nothing I'm using is working. Even my softest brushes pick up pastel instead of rubbing it in. (I've tried Q-tips too, same problem.) I've tried every level of pressure to no avail. I'm thinking what I need is a blender or shaper. I don't have either of those tools, but if someone could give me a physical description, maybe I could find something in my house that will substitute. Are they flat-tipped? Made of rubber? Plastic? Felt? I could try to invent a tool, but I need to know what to aim for. Thanks for the help.

(BTW, yes, my fingers work great, but they're too big compared to the details I'm trying to create now.)

pequan
12-02-2006, 12:45 PM
alecto: I know what you mean....here is a picture of a blender/shaper, one is flat other pointy.....it does make it easier for small places....they are rubber tipped.

Alecto
12-02-2006, 01:15 PM
Thanks Pequan! That helps a lot!

AnnieA
12-02-2006, 01:27 PM
Alecto: Just a thought about the shapers: If you don't have one, I had some moderate success a while ago by taking one of the white plastic erasers and cutting it to a chisel tip with an exacto (and actually, the new ones have a sort of chisel tip already). It isn't as good as a shaper, cause you can't apply as much pressure (if you do you'll start erasing, instead of blending), but it still works. I also found that the edge of just a plain brown ArtGum eraser, pulled with a medium pressure across the pastel, seems to blend ok too, but that was for larger areas.

But there are a lot of art stores that carry the color shapers. Dakota does...

AnnieA
12-02-2006, 02:09 PM
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Hair closeup..
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/17761/tn_NZ_trip_69.jpg

Oh, thanks so much for that, Bruce! :wave: I'll be having a second go at this portrait today and this closeup will really help. :)

Netty
12-02-2006, 04:29 PM
Oh wow, I have been away for a few days and here I am checking the forum for this tutorial , !!!!! and it has exploded with wonderful portraits!!!
I have not even managed to do my drawing yet!!!!

Hopefully over the next few days , with the kids at school, I will get something happening!

Bruce , you have done a wonderful Job here helping everyone so much! it has been really great to see everyone so excitted and involved... and creating such wonderful portraits!!

Netty :)

bruce johnson
12-02-2006, 04:58 PM
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face
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/33616/tn_julwcp3.jpg

Fabulous job Deirdre:clap: :clap: I love your skin tones and the earing is brilliant...

Things I notice

You have developed Juiles left eye quite a lot and shown an amount of white...you will have to do something similar to the right eye or it looks like she's winking..
You have the shadows under the neck a little to strong and too cool, warm them up a little with a light rub of yellow and burnt sienna, blend gently

Her shoulders need more development as well. particularly where the sun touches them
Great job:clap: :clap:

bruce johnson
12-02-2006, 05:03 PM
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am I getting there
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/81946/tn_wcfacealmost.jpg

You're getting there Linda.. your skin tones are great,..

I would work on the eyes and then work your way down to the mouth.. just do little bits at a time and then step back and study your progress... you can even post your small updates, I'll comment on each ..there's no hurry. You're doing great... :clap:

bruce johnson
12-02-2006, 05:09 PM
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1st facial
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/71456/tn_000_1614.jpg

HI Midge.. you're laying the yellow base on a little too thick, thats why its showing through a little, this isn't a problem though just add a little burnt sienna to the cheeks and blend it gently... you can use your finger.. add a little red violet or cool red to the cheeks as well.. just do light layers to build up the colour.. use a blue vilet fothe small areas of shadow in the creases of the face.. not too much though.. you're doing very well. so don't panic :clap:

bruce johnson
12-02-2006, 05:14 PM
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Julie5
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/8539/tn_Julie5.jpg

Hi piper all the hair needs is some more darks and a little indian red for contrast.

your beginning of the skin on the forehead is perfect.. no problems there, Just continue on with the face and try and mould the face using tonal value,,, look for cool areas and go more blueish in these areas, like in the cracks and crevasses of the face.. (don't you dare tell Julie I said that :lol: ) :clap:

bruce johnson
12-02-2006, 05:26 PM
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Another go at the hair
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/88188/tn_New_start.jpg

Hi Jaana,,, thank you. I'm enjoying painting Julie in pastel. as you say its a very challenging portrait... i doubt you will ever come aross anything more difficult ..

I would start on the skin tones now.. lay a cool yellow base and then build layers of burnt sienna and red violet over the yellow..

When you get to the teeth rub out the line drawing you don't need it.. see how I have used the gums to indicate the shape of the teeth.. :clap:

bruce johnson
12-02-2006, 05:31 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/57688/tn_3color.jpg

THis is looking good Jo.. you have done a wonderful job on the hair.. :clap: :clap:

Whenyou do the skin its important tp lay the cool yellow base first.. this yellow gives the skin a glow..
The reason I lay yellow first is that skin is really yellow... its the blood flowing through the veins that give the pinkish red tinge..I add burnt sienna to indicate the degree of pigment present in the skin..
You're doing really well..:clap:

bruce johnson
12-02-2006, 05:35 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/78750/tn_Portrait_Challange_039.jpg

Hi nana
this would have been ok to continue on with. but a restart can refresh.. For the background in this one I would rub a lot of cool yellow in front of the face to break up all the blue.. put it to the side and you may came back to it one day.. :clap:

bruce johnson
12-02-2006, 05:37 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/78750/tn_Portrait_Challange2_004.jpg

This is a good start nana I'm looking forward to seeing develop.. :wave: :clap:

bruce johnson
12-02-2006, 05:40 PM
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Initial Sketch
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/83008/tn_Julie1.jpg

Hi Arleenie.. great to see you here:wave: :wave: you're off to a good start with your line drawing.. I'll be watching.. :evil:

*Deirdre*
12-02-2006, 05:43 PM
Thanks Bruce! I know I should have waited for your shoulders and shadows...I am trying to get one finished - then go back to the Wallis! So...Are you going to tell us which background you recommend?:p :D :wink2:

bruce johnson
12-02-2006, 06:08 PM
Morning folks.. thanks for all the nice comments.. I'm really enjoying doing this project.. you're all so appreciative.. but then I don't get to hear the names you call me when you're struggling with a difficult part... :lol: I hear you Li :lol: :p
Ok Marcia. I'm using medium..205.8. the reason I use a yellow under base is that the skin is really yellow and its the blood flowing through the veins that gives it the reddy pink tinge.. I add burnt sienna to indicate the pigment in the skin.. The amount amount of tan detremines how much burnt sienna I add.
I only add one layer of yellow, its like an underpainting.. that shows through in areas where the pinks and burnt siennas dont cover the paper.. It gives the portrait a glow.. sort of my portrait trademark..
Yes the tooth is very full and often i have to spray it to keep going.. but thats not a problem.. To get to the depth of colour I have in this portrait using the brushing method I would need to add in excess of 20 layers.. the value of that method is that you have complete control of how much pastel you put on and where you put it.. you can also vary the temperature and tone very precisely.. I would use that method for commsiions and gallery quality work.. for this portrait I abandoned that method cos it was taking too long and everyone wanted to move along at a good rate.. Apart from the yellow base and the first layers of burnt sienna and permanent rose the remaining layers were applied direct to the paper.. the effect is slightly different in that it looks more waxy when applied directly..
details of the eyes are done with edges of the pastel and then the refined with a fine point shaper..
Yes I blend all the colours of the hair (gently though) then add highlights. Often I wil spray before I ah thehighlights, this lets me work the highlights as I need without them blending into the main body of hair.. they stay crisp in colour.. and you're very welcome.. when you first suggested this I never realised it would turn into something this big.. I love it..:thumbsup: It does have some limitations though and I wish I could have you all sitting in a classroom and do it live.. there's things that I do without thinking which you could only see IRL.. :wave: :clap:

Hi Alecto you can use your finger but the effect is slightly fdifferetn to that of a blender, the oil in a finger tends to smudge the pastel rather than blend it, I do like the shapers and very rarely use my finger.. The eraser might do the trick.. Annie gave you some good ideas there.. :thumbsup:
Linda the teeth are really simple, just ...use the gums Luke..use the gums:lol: :lol:

Hi Netty no hurry we'll be here for a while yet..

Hi Deidre I'm thinking that I will go with the same background i did with Jon maybe a little more sunny... Jolanta did a fine job with it and I think it fits really well.

Keep it up folks you're all doing so well:clap: :clap: :clap: :thumbsup: :cool:

beachwalker
12-02-2006, 07:16 PM
Hi Bruce,:wave:

I just posted No. 3 after a mostly satisfying afternoon with Julie. Still a ways to go, though. BTW, my yellow isn't quite as bright as yours, but it seemed to work for now.

Wow, am I impressed with what people have done with your direction on this thread! You have really inspired everybody to put out their best effort, and I'm giving it my best shot, too.:)

Someone mentioned shaper substitutes. I have a Design 2000 eraser that isn't worth anything as an eraser, but it does make a great blender. Also, I have a little cuticle thingie that has a soft end pretty good for blending. For those of us without a lot of pastel experience, most anything will do in a pinch.:D

Sunflwr1
12-02-2006, 09:43 PM
Hi Bruce:wave:

Thanks for all the precise answers... helps a lot! I really appreciate it! when you first suggested this I never realised it would turn into something this big.. I love it. Oh, I did. I was pretty sure it would have quite a draw. Your're a fantastic artist and an excellent teacher! When I was reading your in depth explanations on your "Jon WIP" I just knew you had to do one of these. I'm glad you're enjoying it too. Hope to get you to do another one! :D :D :D It does have some limitations though and I wish I could have you all sitting in a classroom and do it live. Meeeeeee toooooooooooo!!! What about a video;) Seriously!

Thanks again,
Marcia

bruce johnson
12-02-2006, 09:56 PM
You sure your ancestors don't come from the deep south Marcia... :lol: :lol: you sure know how to crack that whip:lol: I was going to put all my WIP's in an El Cheapo book, but maybe a DVD would be easier sometime..

Sunflwr1
12-02-2006, 10:37 PM
I was going to put all my WIP's in an El Cheapo book, but maybe a DVD would be easier A book would be great with an accompanying DVD showing a portrait from the beginning of the line drawing to the final spray of fixative! sometime. When??? :lol: :lol: :lol: OK... no more nagging... I promise!:evil:

Marcia

Piper Ballou
12-03-2006, 01:15 AM
Bruce...if possible, could you list the colors brands, colors and numbers that you have used.....I have a lot of the Rembrandts but noticed that there are 10 shades of Ultramarine, 5 of Rose...etc....I think part of my problem is...working on a gray paper and using the totally wrong shade of color.... thinking of ordering some watercolor paper and a few colors....
Piper

AnnieA
12-03-2006, 02:07 AM
Piper: Bruce had posted it - don't recall where/when now - but here it is:

Rembrandt pastels..
lemon yellow 205.5 205.8
Deep yellow 202.5 202.7 202.9 202.12
Light yellow 201.5 201.7 201.8
pthalo green 675.3 675.5
Olive green 620.5 620.7 620.8
Blue violet 548.5 548.7 548.8
ultramarine deep 506.3 506.5 506.7 506.9
Prussian blue 508.5
Pthalo blue 570.3 570.5 570.7 570.9
Red violet 545.5 545.7 545.8
Gold ochre 231.5 231.7 231.8
Yellow ochre 227.5 227.7 227.9
Raw sienna 234.5 234.8
Burnt Sienna 411.5 411.7 411.9
Caput mortuum Red 343.5 343.8
Indian Red 347.5 347.9
White 100.5
Permanent Red 372.5
Burnt Umber 409.5
Raw umber 408.5

He also posted this link, where there's a Rembrandt color chart, for matching colors:
http://www.paletteworld.com/palette-world-items.asp?category=Rembrandt%20Pastels

I notice that Bruce has also been using some Art Spectrums (ones that correspond to the equivalent Rembrandt colors), so I think it's not crucial to use only Rembrandts. I've been filling in with Unisons and other pastels, and I think that's working ok. I find it's sometimes a little difficult to identify exactly which pastel Bruce has used for what, but that may just be because there are colors that are happening because of the blending.

Chloe_1
12-03-2006, 02:28 AM
Wow everyone has such a unique touch to their own portrait. It's great to see this all the great talents:) . I've worked on the hair, and tried fixing her grin:D (l0l) It could still be worked on; but this is what I have for now. I've used a mixture of faber castel pastels pencils, and chalk pastels ..
Tks. again Bruce for your patience and teachings:thumbsup:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Dec-2006/68155-IMG_1578_4.JPG

Chloe_1
12-03-2006, 05:00 AM
OOP! Posted in wrong place..Soory!!

*Deirdre*
12-03-2006, 05:56 AM
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Hi Chloe...I see what you mean about the sunburn! But you should be able to reduce the effect be brushing off just a little and adding another pale colour...which pale colours do you have?

bruce johnson
12-03-2006, 06:04 AM
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Continued with skin tones and started shadows. .
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/17761/tn_NZ_trip_681.jpg

This is getting exciting now.. I think I've got most of the values and hues worked out.. :thumbsup:

bruce johnson
12-03-2006, 06:05 AM
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Shoulders and shadows
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/17761/tn_NZ_trip_686.jpg

Last update before bed... See you in the morning folks...:wave:

Piper Ballou
12-03-2006, 10:41 AM
Piper: Bruce had posted it - don't recall where/when now - but here it is:

Rembrandt pastels..
lemon yellow 205.5 205.8
Deep yellow 202.5 202.7 202.9 202.12
Light yellow 201.5 201.7 201.8
pthalo green 675.3 675.5
Olive green 620.5 620.7 620.8
Blue violet 548.5 548.7 548.8
ultramarine deep 506.3 506.5 506.7 506.9
Prussian blue 508.5
Pthalo blue 570.3 570.5 570.7 570.9
Red violet 545.5 545.7 545.8
Gold ochre 231.5 231.7 231.8
Yellow ochre 227.5 227.7 227.9
Raw sienna 234.5 234.8
Burnt Sienna 411.5 411.7 411.9
Caput mortuum Red 343.5 343.8
Indian Red 347.5 347.9
White 100.5
Permanent Red 372.5
Burnt Umber 409.5
Raw umber 408.5

He also posted this link, where there's a Rembrandt color chart, for matching colors:
http://www.paletteworld.com/palette-world-items.asp?category=Rembrandt%20Pastels

I notice that Bruce has also been using some Art Spectrums (ones that correspond to the equivalent Rembrandt colors), so I think it's not crucial to use only Rembrandts. I've been filling in with Unisons and other pastels, and I think that's working ok. I find it's sometimes a little difficult to identify exactly which pastel Bruce has used for what, but that may just be because there are colors that are happening because of the blending.

I thought these were for the protrait of the boy Bruce had painted before Julie....I noticed that some of the colors are not the same.....

AnnieA
12-03-2006, 11:27 AM
I thought these were for the protrait of the boy Bruce had painted before Julie....I noticed that some of the colors are not the same.....

Did I get it mixed up??? I have been having problems with color, but I thought that was just me being the problem child...:lol:

I do think Bruce posted these for this painting, Piper. I've also been thinking that there are colors that are created when two other colors combine due to blending, so maybe that's what you're seeing?

Jolanta
12-03-2006, 11:33 AM
Bruce - this is turning into something so real, she will step off the paper by the time you finish and you will have to do another one:D :clap: :lol: I think I will follow you forever and learn as much as I can:D
Thanks - Jolanta

Piper Ballou
12-03-2006, 11:34 AM
I think Bruce was giving us a guideline with those colors, he has deep yellow, and light yellow and olive green listed that he has yet to mention with Julie.....
No, Annie, you are not a problem child LOL....I am having the same problem...oh, that might make two of us then..LOL

AnnieA
12-03-2006, 11:53 AM
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Hair almost done...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/85002/tn_Hair_almost_done.jpg

Hi! I wonder if anybody else might be able to offer some good feedback on what I've got on the hair so far, so I can get the hair resolved before Bruce comes on this evening. I know I've still got it too dark, but what I'm wondering is if I should try to add more warmer midtones before adding more hightlights. This looks really different to me than what Bruce has done (which of course it is, 'cause I substituted some different colors). It also seems that some of my efforts to blend are only taking the pastel off the paper at this point, but I've been using a really soft Great American for a lot of the highlights. It may be I just need to use a harder pastel. Do I need to blend the midtones more than I did? Should I be fixing it between layers now? Something's not right...

Any other tips on how I can get the right effect going would be welcome.

And Piper...guess I'm in good company, then. :)

(Despite all these struggles, I still feel I'm learning a lot...thanks, Bruce.)

Jolanta
12-03-2006, 12:03 PM
Hi Annie - right now it looks pretty coarse for the hair. Try to blend some before you go to highlights but very gently to soften overal look. Blend the tops of lighter values preserving darks in between. Then when you do highlights try to put them close together (strokes) not the single light hair here and there. I had the same problem with my drawing, had to wipe it off:lol: Play some more and see what happens. The shadows are too dark to me and should have some hair going over them. Right now it looks like dark outlines of the hair.
Hope this helps some until Bruce will jump in.
Jolanta

beachwalker
12-03-2006, 12:04 PM
Annie, I have an idea! You send me some of your darks and I'll send you some of my lights.:D This hair thing is tricky! I'll leave the advice to others.:)

Jolanta
12-03-2006, 12:06 PM
I was talking about purple shadows on the skin.
Jolanta

pequan
12-03-2006, 12:15 PM
Annie: I wish I could offer some insight, then I could help you and myself... I am absolutely loving this project, but still way to unsure of myself...her right side should be the lighter side right? Bruce suggested for me, that I spray the hair and let it dry, then go back and add some warm blue and green and then highlights! does that help at all???? As far as the colors go Starjoy and Annie, I still am not sure of those. In doing this beautiful woman Julie, I didn't know which shade of each color to use, and I to thought the colors Bruce gave us were to be used in this project...so here we are the blind leading the blind...HAHAHA I hope Bruce decides to do another one of these projects, after the holidays......this is the best pastel class I have been in--in a long time..

Sunflwr1
12-03-2006, 12:18 PM
Hi Alll:wave:

Annie, I'm pretty sure those are the colors he used for Jon. It was mentioned here.http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=382982&page=3
entry #37.

Now we need to see a list of the colors, brands, and numbers that he's using for Julie;)

Sunflwr1
12-03-2006, 12:39 PM
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Shoulders and shadows
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/17761/tn_NZ_trip_686.jpg

Damn you're good! hope I can say that You are truly amazing, this is just fabulous! I am totally in awe!
~Marcia

Jo Castillo
12-03-2006, 02:49 PM
As you all know, I don't normally do portraits. I wouldn't worry about the exact colors that Bruce uses. If you don't have all the same ones, they appear different when placed next to eachother on the paper anyway. I certainly don't have all the colors and the ones I have, the papers are all gone and they are broken and mixed. I use the closest that I can find. My first pastels were a set of 90 Daler-Rowney and now I probably have about 500 assorted pastels. At any rate, I am enjoying this tremendously and learning a new process. I have only used about 10 of all those colors so far. :)

Annie - Your hair is looking great. Jolanta's advice is very good.

Chloe - Deepat's advice is very good. Did you put the lemon yellow all over before adding the others? Bruce had me do that and it helped a lot.

I guess what I am trying to say, is don't be discouraged. They are all looking great.

Thanks, Bruce.

bock
12-03-2006, 03:04 PM
Annie- It looks good. You have the wind blown look. Just a thought, maybe go back with your lemon yellow and white to get the highlight areas. Then look for the shadows shapes around them and use your color shaper to pull them back. I found you can do different things with the color shaper depending on the amount of pressure you apply. Remember, I'm learning too so Bruce will better advise. Experiment a little.

I finally got Bruce's list of colors and used the color charts online to match mine. I'm using Rembrandts and Holbeins. I think he is using colors from this palette as he reads the reference but may not be listing them all in his posts.?? Sorry if I'm wrong Bruce. As you can see, we are all struggling but eager to learn.

Sunflwr1
12-03-2006, 03:18 PM
I found you can do different things with the color shaper depending on the amount of pressure you apply. Hi Pat, I started to use mine last night. At first I didn't like them, but now I'm having fun! I keep a tissue in my left hand and wipe after each use just so I don't contaminate. I found I was doing that in more detailed areas. We are learning a lot aren't we?:) ~Marcia

bock
12-03-2006, 03:25 PM
Hi Marcia
Yes!! And I'm loving it!!
Pat

AnnieA
12-03-2006, 04:01 PM
Jolanta: thanks very much for the tips. It's true, as I study all this a bit more, that Bruce's demo has a much softer look to the hair. Here's where I get confused though, 'cause Julie's hair as shown in the image shows individual strands a bit more. I suppose the hair should not stand out though, as emphasizing more individual strands might detract from the face. So Bruce's approach must be deliberate - and done with the artistic effect in mind. As you can see, I've not done many portraits!

Jolanta: please don't ever again use this phrase again: "...had to wipe it off." (It strikes fear into my heart - I've already done that a few times! No more...please, no more!) :lol::lol::lol:

Your other suggestions sound good; I have my work cut out for me. (Btw, I agree about the purple shadows.) Thanks very much for the feedback.

Cindy: the hair sure is tricky! Bruce makes it look so easy! I'm hoping that it's like riding a bike...

pequan: I think the fixative idea may be a good one for me at this point (although it may make my too dark areas even darker :eek:). Thanks for reminding me. As far as color is concerned, I've been adding a lot more greenish colors - the ones that might be used to portray brass - which I see in Julie's hair. It almost appears that Bruce has also done so, but please don't add them to your own portrait because I mentioned it! That really would be the blind leading the blind! :lol: Bruce did mention using a light green (and light blue) in the hair - it would be worth asking again about, I think...

Sunflower: I didn't see the list at your link, but it may be that Bruce anticipated using the same ones for Julie as he did for Jon. I could swear I saw the list of Rembrandts posted someplace as applying to the Julie portrait. It does seem to me that if Bruce is doing Julie for the first time (which is what I've presumed), he might not have been able to completely pin down a list for us at the beginning, as the painting would involve some playing around with colors as he went along in order to chose the right ones.

Thanks Jo for the encouragement.

Pat, that's a good idea about the color shaper too. It's hard to juggle so many new concepts all at once, isn't it. But it's a great learning experience!

Bruce: could you comment on the color issues? I would really appreciate a list of the pastels you used to do the face; doing what you do exactly eliminates one source of confusion (deciding on color), so I can focus on all the other areas of confusion! :lol:

This project is kinda like copying the Masters to learn to paint! Thanks again, Bruce! :wave:

binkie
12-03-2006, 04:04 PM
I was just browsing through everyone's portrait projects, and I have to say what a great job everyone is doing! Every interpretation is so wonderfully unique and original. I just love how everyone uses color differently. This is a fabulous thread. Bruce, you are doing a beyond exemplary job teaching this project. I just don't have the words to express how excited I am to be part of this project.

Thanks so much!
binkie

Striver
12-03-2006, 04:40 PM
Now at the starting line, got a few hours in last night with line drawing Bruce's way, quite pleased to date but need to finish off before the post for approval from the master.
One thing, I havent been able to follow each post as they come, hence an overwhelming pile to sift through for the WIP and instructions of Bruce, this will take some time.
Question is, is there some place to view only Bruce's WIP posts, or do I dig in for Xmas
They all look good to me and what a value this thread is.
Regards
Les

lisilk
12-03-2006, 04:47 PM
Now at the starting line, got a few hours in last night with line drawing Bruce's way, quite pleased to date but need to finish off before the post for approval from the master.
One thing, I havent been able to follow each post as they come, hence an overwhelming pile to sift through for the WIP and instructions of Bruce, this will take some time.
Question is, is there some place to view only Bruce's WIP posts, or do I dig in for Xmas
They all look good to me and what a value this thread is.
Regards
Les

Les- He's added them to the gallery.:thumbsup: I'm way behind too! Had to step away before I killed it. lol.:D

Striver
12-03-2006, 04:56 PM
lisilk, cheers will take a look
Les

Sunflwr1
12-03-2006, 05:06 PM
Hey Les... here ya go. This should take you right to it.

http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=browse_progress2&userid=17761&proj_id=1072

~Marcia

AnnieA
12-03-2006, 05:08 PM
Les, lisilk and Marie: I don't think the first posts were included in the project area, so here's what I've saved (It's possible I may have missed some, but I don't think so):

Sketch:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5153692
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5156455
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5153698
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5153750

Hair:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5159772
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5159782
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5159791&postcount=62
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5159799
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5162746
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5170458&postcount=229

Close up of hair:
http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57293

Post showing image of pastel colors Bruce planned to use for hair:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5159815&postcount=64

Hair transitioning to beginning of face:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5167658

Skin/face:
http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57287
http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57289
http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57294
http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57295
http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=57296

I think the rest of the posts relating to the painting of the face made it into the Project Gallery. If anyone has something I missed, please PM me. But, imho, it's still very much worth it to go through the entire thread; you can learn a lot from the advice Bruce offers in the comments he makes about different artists' work.

Hope that helps...

Jo Castillo
12-03-2006, 05:59 PM
I finished and posted my final image. I had to just, stop. I kept going to take a photo and would find one more thing, and start again. This is such a fun and learning experience. I will stay tuned to keep learning and see all the portraits. Thanks all, some good advice here. Bruce, you are super for taking this on.

Thanks,
Jo

Piper Ballou
12-03-2006, 06:13 PM
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Julie, The End
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/completed/57688/tn_JulieEnd.jpg

Wow....I am so impressed.....
piper

binkie
12-03-2006, 06:26 PM
Jo,

Your Julie's beautiful!

binkie

AnnieA
12-03-2006, 06:51 PM
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Julie, The End
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/completed/57688/tn_JulieEnd.jpg

Good job, Jo! :clap::clap::clap:

I'm especially impressed by the hair, but the skintones and mouth are very nicely done, too!

bruce johnson
12-03-2006, 06:55 PM
Morning folks ...:wave: :wave: my how the mind runs wild when its allowed to .. you guys had me in hysterics reading these posts this morning... :lol: :lol: :lol: and thank you all for the lovely compliments, you're all very welcome.. I was a bit tired last night and didn't get to critique all the posts that remained ... I'm off to do that now..

With my palette, the pastels I listed are all the pastels I own.. and I used a selection of them to paint Jon.. I started with the same palette for Julie but have only used a dozen or so colours ( and not all the same ones I used on Jon).. by limiting my palette the portrait stays balanced with a dominant colour.. if you add too many colours your painting will become a bit like a jig saw puzzle, and it kills the impact of the painting..

Just another little thing as well.. my brain works a lot faster than my hands and sometimes my typing isn't up to par... so bear with me on that one:lol:

Ok off to look at my morning delights (updates) back soon.. :wave:

bock
12-03-2006, 06:58 PM
:clap: Yeah Jo!! Great job. I'm studying your shadows because that's where I'm at now. Besides what everybody mentioned, I also like what you did to bring color into that black top.:clap: :clap:

Pat

bruce johnson
12-03-2006, 07:05 PM
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face progress
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/45744/tn_Img_1056.jpg%28600%29.jpg

Hi Pat the lemon yelllow I use is a medium yellow, 0.8 on the Rembrandt scale.. its very cool and tends towards green...
your hair is amazing.. well done:clap: :clap:
the skin tones llok fine.. I see you've progressed and have another update, I'll go and take alook at that one... keep going you're doing fine.. :wave:

beachwalker
12-03-2006, 07:06 PM
I was a bit tired last night and didn't get to critique all the posts that remained ... I'm off to do that now..

Oh good! Lookin' forward to your comments, Bruce !:) Thanks for your latest Julie posts--great references!

lisilk
12-03-2006, 07:10 PM
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Julie, The End
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/completed/57688/tn_JulieEnd.jpg

This looks awesome! Really impressed with the mouth and teeth. Great work!:clap:

bock
12-03-2006, 07:12 PM
Morning Bruce! Thanks, will keep plugging away. We've been busy as you can see.:lol:

Pat

AnnieA
12-03-2006, 07:13 PM
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face progress
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/45744/tn_Img_1056.jpg%28600%29.jpg

Wow, Pat! I just noticed this one! Absolutely gorgeous!

bock
12-03-2006, 07:17 PM
Thanks Annie, I'm getting into it now! Love this technique!
Pat

bruce johnson
12-03-2006, 07:18 PM
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progress
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/45744/tn_Img_1058.jpg%28600%29.jpg

Ah yes now you've got it... this is looking fabulous.. I love the brush technique its very slow but you can get an amazing vibrancy with it and the colour is placed down so accurately.. you can use very fine brushes for detail work if you want.. in fact you're only restricted by the size of the granules and the tooth of the paper for how detailed you can go.. thats why I like watercolour paper to paint on.. and yes you are actually painting in pastel..
couple of little things that stand out are the eyes are a bit dark, take a tissue and dab on them gently..
also the top lip is a bit too loud.. the bottom lip is perfect.. use your tissue again to tone the top lip down.. :clap: :clap:

bruce johnson
12-03-2006, 07:22 PM
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Eyes & nose
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/33616/tn_julwcp1.jpg

THis is looking great Deirdre, I would add a little burnt Sienna to the cheeks and areas of strong local colour, just enough to tone down the pinky red.. this will eliminate the sunburnt look.. :clap: :clap:

bock
12-03-2006, 07:24 PM
Got it. I had thought about adding a lighter color to tone them down but will try the tissue. I'm using three brushes of different sizes right now. I also need to do something to the tip of her nose. Any suggestions??
Pat

bruce johnson
12-03-2006, 07:28 PM
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face not quite
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/33616/tn_julwcp2.jpg

The eyes look great Deirdre, with the shadows if you don't have the right pastel then you will have to mix it yourself.. the colour is violet which is blue tending towards red.. so lighly add blue to the shadow area, and then come in with red,, blend together... the shadow will get warmer (more red) as it moves out towards the light...also look for the reflected light(yellow) that is under the jaw.. :clap: :thumbsup:

bruce johnson
12-03-2006, 07:30 PM
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face
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/33616/tn_julwcp3.jpg

Hi D the shoulders need more development. they look unfinished compare to the face.. add a little red to the shadow under the jaw and blend it in .. did you notice the reflected light there... :wave:

bruce johnson
12-03-2006, 07:35 PM
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progress
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/45744/tn_Img_1058.jpg%28600%29.jpg

Look closely at the nose and notice all the different hues present..there is red violet close to the edge then it moves into a more saturated area until finally it becomes a bright highlight.. I think I need to explain the term local colour and saturated colour better.. I'll do that a little later today.. :wave:

bruce johnson
12-03-2006, 07:48 PM
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More Work on the face
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/34440/tn_JULIE_PORTRAIT_PROJECT_LATER_FACE_120206.jpg

You're very welcome binkie.. one area you need to study and redo is the teeth. wipe out the lines that you have defining the teeth and use the shape of the gums to define the shape of your teeth.. this will give you a more natural looking mouth.. you're doing great.. the skin tones could do with a little more punch.. ( more burnt sienna) :clap: :clap: :clap:

lisilk
12-03-2006, 07:52 PM
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face progress
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/45744/tn_Img_1056.jpg%28600%29.jpg

OKAY! I think the little hampster in my brain just woke up looking at this. I just couldn't get how the hair worked. I was try to get high and low light and crossing locks in one pass. Now I think I understand it works like putting on layers of thin hairpieces. Do the whole head, then start over with locks going in different directions, thinly, and then keep repeating going lighter. DUH!!!!!!

This one is exceptional!

Sunflwr1
12-03-2006, 08:01 PM
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Julie, The End
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/completed/57688/tn_JulieEnd.jpg

Wonderful portrait, Jo!:clap: :clap: :clap: Love how you did the shadows on and below her jaw... I am really struggling there.:(

~Marcia

bruce johnson
12-03-2006, 08:03 PM
I was thinking about the comment I made the other day about how it would be easier if we were all in a classroom together, that way I could show you in detail and in real life. how I paint.. one request I have is if possible can you folks post a pic of yourselves on here so I can see who I'm talking too. makes it a little more cosy. Here's mine.. incidentally I had a full head of hair before I started this project :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Oh Marcia.. I talked to Sonja (my wife)last night about your suggestion of doing a DVD or book, and I think I will, probably a watercolour portrait and pastel portrait on the same DVD.. after seeing the enthusiasm on this project its clear that there is a need for something.. :wave: http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Dec-2006/17761-testing_1_2_3.jpg

Pat Isaac
12-03-2006, 08:04 PM
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Julie, The End
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/completed/57688/tn_JulieEnd.jpg

Wow, someone is already finished. Great portrait and fast worker. I am so slow, but am really without a lot of time this month.

Pat

bruce johnson
12-03-2006, 08:05 PM
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More Work on the face
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/34440/tn_JULIE_PORTRAIT_PROJECT_LATER_FACE_120206.jpg

Forgot to add that you've done a wonderful job on the hair binkie.. well done:clap: :clap:

Pat Isaac
12-03-2006, 08:10 PM
Okay, Bruce. This is me and I may not finish this portrait until the New Year, but I will finish it.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Dec-2006/35760-Pat.jpg

Pat

bruce johnson
12-03-2006, 08:14 PM
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moving along
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/81946/tn_WCface3.jpg

Hi Linda I used blue violet for the shadow under the chin and added a little bit of permanent red in areas where it was warmer, there is also a significant amount of reflected light under the jaw.. (warm yellow) I used these colours for the other shadows as well..
Awesome job on the hair... the eyes need to be toned down just a tad they stand out too much. great skin tones.. you're flying...:clap: :clap:

bruce johnson
12-03-2006, 08:18 PM
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coming to a close on the face
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/81946/tn_facealmost5.jpg

Nice job on the shadows , it could take a little more deeper violet , just a touch though, doesn't need too much..

I would redo the teeth. wipe out the lines that between each individual tooth and use the gums to indicate the shape of the teeth.. it will look more natural.. :clap: :clap:

bruce johnson
12-03-2006, 08:21 PM
Thanks Pat:wave: nice to see you.. I think somehow we will still be doing this project in the New Year.. I intend to paint over the Xmas Hols.. so you wont be able to hide.. COZ I"LL FIND YOU :evil: :lol:
I see you're a member of the Oil Pastel Society., do they do projects like this or have instruction classes... :thumbsup:

bruce johnson
12-03-2006, 08:30 PM
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Done, I think
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/57688/tn_JuliePhotoFinal.jpg

Very very well done Jo... I see that you have posted two updates. but I'll just critique the final one.. looking at it there is nothing that stands out that needs adjusting, my only small nit pic would be that the teeth look slightly large, buts its neither here nor there..
the skin tones, shadow hues and hair are all right on the money.. top job:clap: :clap: :clap: if you want something to do you can always start on another portrait and post it here if you want.. I don't mind..

pequan
12-03-2006, 08:35 PM
WOW Jo, you did a great job...

lisilk
12-03-2006, 08:41 PM
TWO FINISHED. WOW!

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Julie, The End
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/completed/57688/tn_JulieEnd.jpg

Super finish Jo. She's BEAUTIFUL!!! Now you can just whip 'em out like a pro! Like Bruce!:cat: Congratulations!:clap: :clap: :clap:

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Julie on Watercolour paper
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/completed/33616/tn_julwcp4f.jpg

Great work Dee. Sundrenched, glowing and lovely.:clap: :clap: :clap:

bruce johnson
12-03-2006, 08:54 PM
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Hair almost done...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/85002/tn_Hair_almost_done.jpg

Hi Annie I can see from your last post that you've almost answered your own questions., its looking very good..
I'll work through all your posts any way..

with the indivisual strands I only lay a few in when I have reached the right value and hue for the blended hair.. I do this to stop myself from being tempted to go back and play with the blended hair.. it is so easy to keep working it into mud, and not knowing when to stop..
the colours you have used are fine. I would spray the whole thing and then add a few cool highlights.


with the green be careful that the green you see is not actually a result of a poor print... I notice that my printed ref pic shows up more green than the computer screen does.. for this reason I select my colours and hues direct from the computer screen.

With the individual strands you touched on the right word...imply... I use a lot of lost and found edges.. and indicate not state my hair and other features.. I let the viewers eye put in the bits that are missing.. it keeps the painting more interesting when you don't paint every little detail.. less is more...

I would leave the hair alone for now and move onto the skin tones.. you're doing great so keep going.. :clap: :clap:

bruce johnson
12-03-2006, 09:05 PM
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Julie3
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/67734/tn_Julie3.jpg

Hi Cindy this shows a beautiful light touch.. I've got more of a blacksmiths touch compared to this.. :lol: at the moment you have the tonal values well balanced over the whole painting.. if you go deeper with the skin tones you will also have to the push darks in the hair and shadows more to keep the balance... the hair at the back of the head will need to be darkened a little as well so that it gets pushed back , very nice job on the mouth and teeth.. keep going, you're doing very well. :clap: :clap:

Sunflwr1
12-03-2006, 09:06 PM
Nice pic, Bruce! We could have done your portrait:evil: I believe you did your avatar in watercolors? Well, here I am... hope others post. It's always fun the see who your chatting with.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Dec-2006/30113-Me-06.jpg

Hi vangohpat:wave: Nice meeting you, so to speak.

~Marcia]

beachwalker
12-03-2006, 09:15 PM
Okay, Bruce, here's my picture, for what it's worth.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Dec-2006/67734-DSC_0013.jpg

bruce johnson
12-03-2006, 09:18 PM
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Here's where I am
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/30113/tn_Julie_12-3.jpg

Hi Marcia the blue violet I use is Rembrandt, I'm not sure of the number, I'll check when I get home from work tonight.. looking at your painting the colour you're using for shadows is too blue.. this can be corrected by going over it with a little red violet.. and then blend it in.. add a little burnt sienna to the face as well.. particularly in the area of the cheek and neck.. hair looks good, paint some strands of hair over the ear this eliminates the need to decipher the shape of the ear.. check the size and shapes of Julies teeth and use the gums to indicate their form.. cross check with my painting.. I would let a little more light into her left eye as well. Study the ref and see how you can see a little red in the eye and just see the pupil.. these little things are what brings a painting too life.. you're doing so well, and you can't complain coz its all your fault that we're torturing ourselves here:lol: :lol: :clap: :clap:

bock
12-03-2006, 09:20 PM
Hi Bruce, Pat and Marcia. So very nice to meet ya. Still have my hair Bruce even though I've pulled a few out on this project.:lol:

Pat(Bock)

bruce johnson
12-03-2006, 09:21 PM
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Closer
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/30113/tn_Julie_12-3_cl.jpg

Hi Marcia. The only brand I have used on Julie is rembrandt, the colours and numbers I'll get tonight.. I've probably only used a dozen colours in total for the whole painting.. I'll be back :wave:

beachwalker
12-03-2006, 09:25 PM
Thanks, Bruce! Today I started darkening areas of the hair and face, trying to keep that balance. Hoping to post again tomorrow . . .:)

Chloe_1
12-03-2006, 09:25 PM
Chloe - Deepat's advice is very good. Did you put the lemon yellow all over before adding the others? Bruce had me do that and it helped a lot.



Thanks, Bruce.

Yes, i used a prismacolor light glazing yellow.. and than i used to much red which made it looked sunburn,, and a purple blue for dark area.
At this point i am trying to lite it out with a light permanant pink..and it's quite a challenge..

bruce johnson
12-03-2006, 09:36 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/68155/tn_IMG_1579.JPG

Hi Chloe...the hair has nice shape with a fluffy look about it.. I think there is slightly too much yellow in it which will kill the 3D look .. the yellow you are using is also quite warm which means you won't get the shiny hair look.. you need the cool yellow (tending to green) to get this effect. the yellow you are using tends towards orange.. (mustardy as Jolanta would say) .. take that pink colour you have used on the nose and lighten the face all over.. do it gently and little areas at a time.. this will reduce the sunburnt look.. it doesn't matter if you go too far as you can always add some more burnt sienna /red violet. the colours you have used for the shadows are correct.. well done...:clap: :clap:

bruce johnson
12-03-2006, 09:40 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/68155/tn_IMG_1611.JPG

Hi Chloe I think we just cross posted, this is much better, now just add a little burnt sienna to the cheek area to show a rounded cheek.. try and show form by using value, as if you were painting a ball or an apple.. :clap:

Jo Castillo
12-03-2006, 09:43 PM
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face progress
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/45744/tn_Img_1056.jpg%28600%29.jpg

Pat, this looks great. Good colors on the hair.

Thanks to all of you on the comments on my finished Julie. As you know, a little frustrating at times, right? But we are learning. Good experience. Now to try a live model/person. Heh, heh

Jo

bock
12-03-2006, 09:43 PM
Thanks, Li. It was a struggle but kept at it. Still think I will add some wispys after I'm finished with the face.
Hi Cindy, think we posted at the same time.
Pat

bock
12-03-2006, 09:45 PM
Thanks, Jo! I'm having a ball, but need to stop and get lesson plans ready for tomorrow!
Pat

bruce johnson
12-03-2006, 09:47 PM
Hi guys I think I'm up to date with my critiques, let me know if I missed anyone.. :wave:

AnnieA
12-03-2006, 10:02 PM
Bruce: thanks a lot!

I still have some questions though. You seemed to use a lot of burnt sienna/burnt umber in those early layers, but I see a more cool-toned dark area in Julie's hair. Did you do this in order to create harmony in the painting? Would it be better for me to add some more of those tones back in? Just fyi: I've been working from my monitor as well; the green is something I do see on my monitor (supposedly I've calibrated, so it should be fairly accurate). I often also see a similar green in metals, such as brass, and I suppose there are similarities with blond hair.

I would still really appreciate a list of the colors you have used for this, including the rest of the portrait. I think I need to augment my set with a few more pastels, and I'd really like to know the ones I buy are ones you actually are using. I think I'll have to continue to work on the hair at this point, 'cause I'm pretty sure I don't have the ones I need in order to continue on the skin (that's why I need the color names and numbers). I see now that you're planning to put together the list tonight; I appreciate it!

Thanks again!!!! This is really challenging, but that's what makes it so interesting...

Sunflwr1
12-03-2006, 10:15 PM
Oh Marcia.. I talked to Sonja (my wife)last night about your suggestion of doing a DVD or book, and I think I will, probably a watercolour portrait and pastel portrait on the same DVD.. after seeing the enthusiasm on this project its clear that there is a need for something.. I think that would be marvelous!!! And watercolors too!!! Then we could actually see what you are doing! Bruce, that would be fabulous! OK, I want one... put me on the list!:thumbsup:

Hi Pat and Cindy:wave: Nice meeting you!

Cindy, love you CP portraits. You are very talented!

~Marcia

bruce johnson
12-03-2006, 10:21 PM
Now why did I know you would have some more questions Annie.... :lol: :lol: but if you don't ask you'll never know.. :thumbsup:

yes the burnt sienna and burnt umber give the base of the dark and then I add ultramarine blue to push the dark.. If I want to go really deep (almost black) I will use pthalo blue and burnt sienna.. the cool toned dark that yo see is not green it is pthalo blue with not a lot of burnt sienna or burnt umber, I use it sparingly, just enough to give the painting a little punch.. I have used a very tiny little bit of green in the hair on the side of the head.. this was a light cool green. I'll check the colour and number tonight when I get home along with the colours I expect to use on the background.. :wave:

bruce johnson
12-03-2006, 10:30 PM
Hi Marcia.. yes we could have used my portrait ref for the project but then you guys would have got off far too lightly with the hair.. :lol: for anyone interested this is my avatar, done in watercolour..

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Dec-2006/17761-self_portrait_19.JPG

AnnieA
12-03-2006, 10:43 PM
Now why did I know you would have some more questions Annie....
Yep, that's me! The question lady... I guess my insatiable curiosity (not to mention my verbal-ness :lol:) is legendary. :D

yes the burnt sienna and burnt umber give the base of the dark and then I add ultramarine blue to push the dark.. If I want to go really deep (almost black) I will use pthalo blue and burnt sienna.. the cool toned dark that yo see is not green it is pthalo blue with not a lot of burnt sienna or burnt umber, I use it sparingly, just enough to give the painting a little punch.. I have used a very tiny little bit of green in the hair on the side of the head.. this was a light cool green. I'll check the colour and number tonight when I get home along with the colours I expect to use on the background.. :wave:

Yeah, Bruce. I could see some of that in what you painted. I also think that your layers may have blended to create additional greens, probably as a result of those very cool yellows you say you were using. And really, it's often hard to tell a cool green from a yellow if they are both of very light value, imho. And once a yellow begins to get grayed by other colors, it often turns green as well. But I also saw a lot of green in the hair in Julie's photo...I think that's probably common for blonde hair. A sort of green-gold, I guess.

And (just to be true to my reputation), did you mean you added a very tiny little bit of green to the hair on the right side (as viewed)? ...or left? (Again, I ask because when there's lot's of blending, it's often difficult to sort out exactly what you did. And it really is fascinating to see how you've gone about things.)

I will be eagerly awaiting the color list. :) Gracias.

Jo Castillo
12-03-2006, 10:51 PM
Well, here I am on a bad hair day, well casual painting day. :) Gene took my photo and we didn't notice until I downloaded it that the portrait was in the background. Ha.

Jo


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Dec-2006/57688-jo.jpg

Chloe_1
12-03-2006, 11:11 PM
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Hi Chloe I think we just cross posted, this is much better, now just add a little burnt sienna to the cheek area to show a rounded cheek.. try and show form by using value, as if you were painting a ball or an apple.. :clap:


Thanks Bruce for your kindness.. You are doing a great job..:heart:

Arleenie
12-04-2006, 01:06 AM
Hi,
I have been busy and am trying to catch up with all of you. Posted a picture of my first hair attempt tonight. It was taken inside, so the colors are really off. I was very excited, as this is my second attempt at a pastel portrait, and the hair thing started falling into place on this attempt. I do not have the pastel shapers, but found that I can use the finger of a rubber glove to blend, without picking up all of the pastel off the paper. It makes a big difference, most of the dust actually stays on the paper!

I don't have the Rembrandt pastels yet, but have left subtle hints for the family that I would love to have them for Christmas, along with the color shapers and a brush set. Yes, the little subtle hints: Notes on every PC in the house, note on the fridge, note in hubby's breifcase, catalog in strategic places, opened with items circled in red. Ok, so the notes say, GET me my pastels for Christmas, or don't come home, but hey, when did subtle ever work.:rolleyes:

Do you guys really want a picture of me? :confused: I don't know if this forum is really ready. :eek: But if you insist.:o
Arleenie
www.arleeniebeenie.com (http://www.arleeniebeenie.com)

Jo Castillo
12-04-2006, 01:24 AM
Arleenie, That photo of you is just precious. Glad to know you. :)

Jo

LEIGH RUST
12-04-2006, 02:16 AM
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progress
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/45744/tn_Img_1058.jpg%28600%29.jpg

You've done a wonderful job with the likeness here Bock. The dyamics of her features are terrific and the hair is just awesome. looking forward to seing the finished piece!

LEIGH RUST
12-04-2006, 02:18 AM
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Julie3
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/67734/tn_Julie3.jpg

You've got a very sensitive portrait here beachwalker. I love the way you're building it in layers, almost like a watercolour piece.

Piper Ballou
12-04-2006, 02:27 AM
Bruce...I am like Annie, think I need the numbers to the pastels...., I need to order a few more then I have.....
and I will post a photo tomorrow, or today or whenever, depending where you are...LOL
piper

Striver
12-04-2006, 03:13 AM
At last done me line work.

Enjoy
Les

bruce johnson
12-04-2006, 03:41 AM
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added more shadow
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/81946/tn_WCfacealmost4.jpg

HI linda now that you have adjusted the teeth it shows up another small problem with the mouth... her grin is not wide enough.. notice how close the corner of the mouth comes to the dimple in Julies cheek.. you need to extend this coner a little and adjust the teeth to suit.. yeah I know what you're thinking.. I come from a nice home but its a pity my parents weren't married :lol: :lol:

bruce johnson
12-04-2006, 03:43 AM
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I lied
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/81946/tn_don%27touchface.jpg

Everything is looking brilliant except the mouth.. :lol:

bruce johnson
12-04-2006, 03:51 AM
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Julie2
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/83008/tn_Julie2.jpg

Hi Arleenie.. looks good, you've definitely improved.. one small nit, the little spots of dark lower down in the hair are too strong they need to be lightened with a little burnt sienna. :clap:

bruce johnson
12-04-2006, 03:57 AM
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Line drawing 1
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/8824/tn_Julie_1_line_wip_pastel.jpg

Good proportions Les.. you'll get very good at this method if you practice it.. its good for life drawing as well. Check the thickness of the top lip near the corner of the mouth its a little fat, and the mouth looks like it could be open a little more...also her chin looks a little on the fat side..check the jaw line..Looking good though... :clap: :clap: where in Auckland do you live..

binkie
12-04-2006, 04:36 AM
Okay, here's a pic of me:evil: and a pic of me painting::D


binkie:wave:

bruce johnson
12-04-2006, 04:41 AM
Ok guys for those who want them here is a listo fall the colours I have used during this portrait..
they're all rembrandt colours...

pthalo green 675.8 hair highlights
lemon yellow 2205.9 hair highlight
lemon yellow 205.8 skin underpainting
lemon yellow 205.5 stonger highlight in hair..
deep yellow 202.7 reflected light under the jaw
burnt sienna 411.9 midtones in the hair
burnt sienna 411.5 skin tones, blush in the cheeks, dark tones in the hair with ultra blue
red violet 545.8 pink in the skin
red violet 545.7 warmer cast and form shadows
permanent red 372.9 pink skin tones
permanent red 372.5 local colour in the skin tones.
permanent rose 397. 3 397.5 397.7 skin tones
burnt umber 409.5 dark tones in the hair with ultra blue
turquoise blue.. 522.5 jewellery
blue violet 548.5 shadows
indian red 547 .3 547.5 547.9 hair mid and dark tones
pthalo blue 570.3 hair very strong darks.
ultramarine blue 506.3 hair darks


and white.

So including whit thee are only 14 colours albeit some varying shades.:thumbsup:

beachwalker
12-04-2006, 08:11 AM
Marcia, hi and thanks for the compliment on my cp work!:)

Leigh, thank you, too, for your nice comment on Julie. Yes, I do seem to be layering the pastel as I would layer watercolor or colored pencil, although I can see that the more usual way to apply the medium is from dark to light. I hope that I can maintain the color balance and likeness as I darken this image. A real breakthrough for me would be producing meaningful pastel portraits--much faster than cp portraits!:)

Piper Ballou
12-04-2006, 10:50 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Dec-2006/8539-Piper_nice_picture_resized.jpg

here is my photo....
piper

Pat Isaac
12-04-2006, 11:07 AM
Just got back to your question, Bruce. The Oil Pastel Society has a newsletter for it's members. Often there are demos included and many helpful techniques that other members have used. It would be too hard to do a follow along lesson.

Pat

Sunflwr1
12-04-2006, 11:14 AM
Hi Les, Piper, Arleenie, and Binkie :wave: Nice meeting you! :)

ROFL! Arleenie and Binkie... you two crack me up!

Bruce, thanks for the list of colors. I was way off on a few :eek: You were really using some pinkie pinks. I would have never guessed that. I uploaded last night's progress. Worked on the areas you suggested. Still have a long way to go... but I'm having a blast! Frustrating at times? Yes!!! But, I'm loving the journey and hopefully learning a lot! I can't thank you enough for so generously sharing your talent and your time! ~Marcia

Sunflwr1
12-04-2006, 11:19 AM
Here's my mess... errr... ah... I mean studio.:lol: What does your's look like?http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Dec-2006/30113-my_mess.jpg
~Marcia.

Chloe_1
12-04-2006, 11:40 AM
Tks. Bruce for posting the colors you are using.
Could you post the ones for the eyes also please. Tks.

Piper Ballou
12-04-2006, 11:45 AM
Thanks Bruce, for the list of colors and numbers and what you used them on...it really helped and I got to order a few more pastels..yipppeeee....I probably will not work on Julie again until the weekend now, and I may start over on watercolor paper....
piper

GoldenArt
12-04-2006, 12:35 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Dec-2006/94919-Art_group_1_028_edited.jpg Thanks for listing all the colors. I have started this over. I must admit I was in such a rush to start this project I went to walmart of all places and bought the cheap chalk pastels just to have some to work with. I had no idea I would like it as much as I do. With the trouble I am having that is quite a statement. I have just gone out and bought new pastels and paper and will submit my new work when finished. The other got so bad I fear it cannot be saved. I will post it as well tonight just so we all can have a good laugh. You wanted pictures of us all ok....you asked for it. Thanks again for this project. It has opened a new area for me.

Piper Ballou
12-04-2006, 12:40 PM
GoldenArt...warning, you are going to get addicted to pastels....it is a good addiction..
I am going to start over again also, when my new pastels come later this week, but decided I am going to post the stages too, so if I need to fix something along the way I can get it fixed.
piper

mauricar
12-04-2006, 12:52 PM
I am going to start over again also. My new pastels are supposed to arrive today.
MIdge

lisilk
12-04-2006, 01:03 PM
Okay, here's me. Notice I have almost the exact same color hair as Julie...so why can't I get the color right??????????? lol. I started the over too. I am so far behind!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Dec-2006/17813-WCLI.jpg

Bruce, thanks for the list of colors.

Arleenie
12-04-2006, 01:32 PM
Jo,
Hi! :wave: Thanks! Hey, my dad lives in Giddings - not too far from you. You wouldn't recognize him though, he doesn't have orange curly hair like me!

Bruce,
Thanks! The color shows better in today's update! Started working the skin and some of the shadows.


Marcia,
Hi! :wave: Don't crack up too much, :eek: we want you to be able to finish your pastel!

Arleenie

nana b
12-04-2006, 04:17 PM
Well here I am:eek: .

nana b

Striver
12-04-2006, 04:23 PM
Morning all
My what a good looking group you all are, thank you for allowing me to join you.
It's fun and educational is'nt it.
Bruce, thanks for quick reply and C&C have some time today although a close death last night so hopefully will be able to get some work done.
Area is Bucklands Beach, this area is getting very popular with our immigrant Chinese.
Regards
Les

Striver
12-04-2006, 04:34 PM
Oh, can some one help. I used to be able to just print highlighted text, cant seem to get the printer selection option now. Dont really want to print pages.
Seems a differrent layout on wc now.
Cheers
Les

bruce johnson
12-04-2006, 05:06 PM
Morning guys,, great to see all your pics, even the clown and K9... :lol: :lol: so if I ever come visit thats who I expect to answer the door.. :lol:
I'm off to critique be back shortly .. :wave:

Great to see folks making the commitment and buying good quality pastels you wont regret it.. A start over is always positive, but don't throw your old painting away, keep it in a bottom drawer and look at it occassionally... remember progress is not a measure of where you are.. but of how far you've come..:thumbsup:

*Deirdre*
12-04-2006, 05:06 PM
Hi Les:wave: Rightclick on selected text, should show print option!
If not, select text and cut and paste into word...then print!:D

bruce johnson
12-04-2006, 05:13 PM
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hysterical
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/81946/tn_arewethereyetBruce.jpg

Wow Julie is looking great Linda., and I must say you have done a great job on the hair.. :clap: :clap:
the mouth looks better now that its been extended, add a little dark inside the corner of the mouth to give it a 3D look..
top job... :clap: :clap:

bruce johnson
12-04-2006, 05:18 PM
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Julie
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/30113/tn_Julie_12-4.jpg

Oh yeah... you've really got it going on in this update Marcia.. don't try to cover up the violet, just warm it up with some red violet and blend it.. not too much though.. outstanding skin colours.. :clap: :clap:

bruce johnson
12-04-2006, 05:19 PM
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Julie
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/30113/tn_Julie_12-4.jpg

Forgot to add the teeth look great.. a little wam yellow on the side teeth will make them look more natural.. :thumbsup:

bruce johnson
12-04-2006, 05:28 PM
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Julie -Skin
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/83008/tn_Julie3a.JPG

Hi Arleenie.. skin colours look great, good choice of warm and cool,, the shadow in the creases of her skin are a little too strong.. tone them down a little with a tissue, the dark line on her right cheek shouldn't be there..

I would paint the eyes and mouth in now.. this will make her pop.. great start:clap: :clap:

Striver
12-04-2006, 05:35 PM
Cheers Dee
Still cannot find selection as I used to and copy paste to word is nuiscance but so be it.
Now where are those pastels, oh better show the alterations first before jumping the gun. Background music is Pavorotti, relaxing. Anyone for coffee and scones? now serving.
Enjoy
Les

beachwalker
12-04-2006, 06:25 PM
Bruce: This is addictive. I have a portrait on my other board that has to be finished before Christmas. I'm not done with my gift shopping. My decorations aren't up yet. I don't have a clue what I'm going to fix for dinner. And what have I been doing all afternoon? :D I just posted today's effort. Hope you can see some progress!

bruce johnson
12-04-2006, 06:34 PM
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Julie addiction, No. 4
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/67734/tn_DCP_9644.jpg

Stunning Cindy.. wonderful job:clap: :clap: ... Drop a minute dash of blue into the pupil, it will give the eyes some life.. just a dash mind... no highlight.. all the colours are perfect.. :thumbsup:

bruce johnson
12-04-2006, 06:43 PM
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Line drawing 2
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/8824/tn_Julie_2_line.jpg

Yip time for pastel now Les.. looking good.. :clap: Have a beer on Maraetai beach for me sometime.. :thumbsup:

binkie
12-04-2006, 08:31 PM
Duh! I figured out my question.

binkie

beachwalker
12-04-2006, 09:33 PM
Bruce, thanks so much for your feedback! There is a little blue in both her eyes, but it's just too dark too show up effectively. I'll try for a tad more obvious blue before I post the next time.:)

Striver
12-04-2006, 10:02 PM
Hmm, my windsor Newton brand dont seem to match, tough so oh dear tut tut. Have I got a heavy hand or does the paper suck.
Til later
Les

binkie
12-04-2006, 10:50 PM
I have tried 5 times (very carefully) to upload my progress and each time the image does not come up. I just get the red X. Has anyone else had this problem?

Thanks,
binkie

nana b
12-04-2006, 10:57 PM
binkie, does it give you a message or anything at the top?

pequan
12-04-2006, 11:10 PM
what colors do we use for Julie's shirt? it can't just be black can it? thanks

Piper Ballou
12-04-2006, 11:24 PM
Binkie....Jolanta posted this way back a hundred posts ago....

I had the same problem. This is how I do it step by step
- bring up pastels forum and scroll down - click on the Project Showcase at the left side
- click on the Project System at the top
- click on the Upload Progress Images on the left
- watch out for the right project - open "project" and click on the right one.
You should be able to upload on this screen
Hope this will help


by the way....I jumped ship and changed my ID here....using my real name...and yes, it is my real name
piper

Jo Castillo
12-05-2006, 12:46 AM
by the way....I jumped ship and changed my ID here....using my real name...and yes, it is my real name
piper

Hi Piper, Glad to know the real you! :)

Jo

Jo Castillo
12-05-2006, 01:12 AM
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Line drawing 2
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/8824/tn_Julie_2_line.jpg

This is a great drawing. You will catch up, but no hurry.

I don't know how Bruce keeps up with all this. Wow.

The paintings are all so good, no time to comment on all. Beautiful and such a variety of styles and work even though we are copying Bruce's work. :)

Jo

AnnieA
12-05-2006, 01:23 AM
by the way....I jumped ship and changed my ID here....using my real name...and yes, it is my real name
piper

Piper: "Piper Ballou" even sounds like an artist's name to me! :)

AnnieA
12-05-2006, 01:27 AM
Bruce: thanks for that list. I have a few pastels to buy (thankfully not many) before I can start on the face, so I'm probably going to take a few days off until I can buy them. Once I get them, I'll take another look and decide whether I too should start all over again.

Everyone's work looks just great! All of them are so different - we all have our own interpretations and way of expressing things, even though we're all working on the same thing, with the same steps, etc. Fascinating...I'd offer more comments on individual portraits, but the number of posts is putting a strain on my dial up!

(Bruce: no questions in this post! This is a first... :lol:)

Striver
12-05-2006, 01:47 AM
Thanks Jo
Regards
Les

lisilk
12-05-2006, 01:35 PM
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Stage #2 - Close to completion
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/35025/tn_Julie_fase_2.jpg

Wow Rose, beautiful work!:clap: :clap:

Striver
12-05-2006, 02:01 PM
Rose
Have another WOW
Enjoy
Les

pequan
12-05-2006, 02:31 PM
Rose: AND ANOTHER HOLY WOW...that is perfect!

Bruce: do you think Julie's eyes are to light now?

Netty
12-05-2006, 04:18 PM
Hey everyone!!! well I feel like the naughty girl who has been wagging class!! :crying:

Life has been busy being a single mum with two young kids!!! But today I am able to get my printer filled with ink so I can start my line drawing!!!! well I hope!!! if its not too late........

It has been great seeing faces to names,
I especially love your water colour Bruce!!

And Binki!!! loved your pic, lol..............

here I am ,

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Dec-2006/85966-Copy_of_Picture_027.jpg

Netty

Jo Castillo
12-05-2006, 04:41 PM
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Julie Stage 2 ( without Flash)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/35025/tn_Julie_Fase_2%27.jpg

This is a double wow. Nice work, Rose.

Jo

bruce johnson
12-05-2006, 05:40 PM
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Julie Stage 2 ( without Flash)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/35025/tn_Julie_Fase_2%27.jpg

Oh wow Rose!! this has turned out beautifully, a very accomplished portrait,, You have captured a good likeness and the colours are spot on... the hair is magnificent as well.. outstanding effort... :clap: :clap: :clap: probably my only small critique would be the accuracy around the mouth..I think the top lip may be slightly out.. the smile is not quite Julie's but boy its only a very small thing.. I wouldn't touch it..
Background is up to everyones individual taste, I'm thinking I will go for something bright and sunny like I did with Jon. maybe a little more yellow and cobalt blue though... we'll see... I look forward to seeing what you do.. you could even leave this as is ... :thumbsup:

binkie
12-05-2006, 05:50 PM
Rose,

It's wonderful!!!!

binkie

Pat Isaac
12-05-2006, 06:12 PM
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Stage #2 - Close to completion
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/35025/tn_Julie_fase_2.jpg

This is just wonderful, Rose

Pat

binkie
12-05-2006, 06:21 PM
Piper, thanks for the instructions to upload images. I tried twice following your instructions but I continue to get the red X.


Nana, I don't get any error message. The image seems to download and I can see it come up. But when I go to the main project page where the latest updates are listed there is only the red X.

I even retook the pic and that didn't work.

binkie

binkie
12-05-2006, 07:06 PM
:clap: :clap: :clap: I think I was finally successful (I hope) in uploading an image. Don't know why but it seemed to work.

thanks
binkie:wave:

pequan
12-05-2006, 07:16 PM
way to go binkie!!!!

bruce johnson
12-05-2006, 07:47 PM
Hi guys

I'm having trouble with the server here at work...its very very slow... I'll leave the updates till tonight.. sorry.. back later

bruce johnson
12-05-2006, 07:57 PM
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Trying to Upload Again
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/34440/tn_JULIE_PROJECT_SKIN_BEGINNING_SHOULDERS_120506.jpg

Looking great binkie...:clap: :clap: don't worry about failing.. I'll just keep making you redo it till you get it right:lol: :lol: sweet you reckon:evil: :evil: :lol:

bruce johnson
12-05-2006, 07:57 PM
Servers back... :clap:

bruce johnson
12-05-2006, 08:01 PM
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Trying to Upload Again
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/34440/tn_JULIE_PROJECT_SKIN_BEGINNING_SHOULDERS_120506.jpg

The shadow under the jaw closer to the ear needs to be a little a warmer than the shadow under Julies chin.. add a little red violet and a touch of burnt sienna..
:clap:

bock
12-05-2006, 08:03 PM
Just took a few minutes to see where everyone was and boy did I enjoy it!
Rose, that is beautiful. Love the skin tones and soft shadows.
Marcia, another great job modeling the face. Your shadows are perfect.
Hi Les, great drawing. Can't wait to see what you do with this technique and the addition of color!
Hi Piper, Netty and Binki. Nice to meet you. Binki, I laughed out loud when I saw your doggie post.
Cindy, wow from me too. Her hair looks so soft and her skin tones are perfect.
Bruce, thanks for posting the colors. I didn't use any of the deeper yellows but did add yellow ochre to the hair in places when I was working there. I softened the eyes and upper lip Sunday night, but that is as far as I got and may not get back to it until next week sometime. We are having an all school exhibit on the 14th so I am spending my evenings getting works mounted for display and checking names off. I'll join you again when I am under control again!

Great work everybody!!:clap: :clap: :clap:

Pat

bruce johnson
12-05-2006, 08:08 PM
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background to come next?
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/81946/tn_julieshirt.jpg

Hi Linda.. you're doing very well.. the eyes need a look at.. they have a distinct asian look.. I think they should be open a little more.. skin tones are great and you have a good range of values..top stuff.:clap: :clap: The background is up to you guys.. I'm going to go for something sunny and bright.. :cool:

bruce johnson
12-05-2006, 08:17 PM
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Third try
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/88188/tn_julie.JPG

HI Jaana you're definitely heading in the right direction.. skin tones are fabulous.and I wouldn't touch the hair any more.. the eyes need a little light in them , add just a small bit of burnt sienna inside the eye to warm them up bit and then drop the tiniest bit of blue in there to indicate the pupil.. (see my painting for the eyes.. great job:clap: :clap:

Just looking at your portrait again... the top lip turns down a bit in the corner and give s Julie a grimace,, this need to be turned up a bit..

bruce johnson
12-05-2006, 08:29 PM
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Julieportrait
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/94919/tn_Julieportrait.jpg

Hi Rick you're very welcome.. Your image has come out quite small. can you make it bigger.. from what I see the only problem you have is drawing accuracy... Julie looks slightly plumper than she is IRL.. your skin tones are right on the money well done:clap: .. the shadows under the jaw are a little cold(too blue ) warm these up by adding a little red violet, also look for some reflected light under the chin.. this is warm yellow..

To get a good likeness you must let your eye move back and forward from image to drawing continously, always checking reference points and landmarks.. i.e where is the corner of the mouth in relation to the corner of an eye, or the nostril, where is the bottom of the ear in relation to the nose and mouth...etc etc always plot and check then adjust... after a while this will become automatic and your painting will make leaps and bounds..
Also the profile edge of a face is very important, as this give the face expression.. so often misrepresented in portraits.. these little indents show a smile or a pout etc.. going well :thumbsup:

beachwalker
12-05-2006, 08:32 PM
Pat, thanks so much for taking a look and for your nice comment! Looking forward to your next update.:)

bruce johnson
12-05-2006, 08:39 PM
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Julie take 1
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/82968/tn_julie_1.jpg

Nice line drawing Paul.. I notice some problems around the mouth and nose area.. the mouth is too wide and the nose is bulbous.. the shoulders and neck are outstanding.. adjust where suggested and we'll get into the colour.. welcome to the project by the way.. :wave: :clap:

bruce johnson
12-06-2006, 06:16 AM
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Start of background
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/17761/tn_Pastel_study_of_Julie_021.jpg

I can see a problem with Julies right eye , its a mess so I'll fix that tomorrow.. :thumbsup:

Sunflwr1
12-06-2006, 07:56 AM
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Start of background
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/17761/tn_Pastel_study_of_Julie_021.jpg

Very, very nice, Bruce!:clap: :clap: :clap: You have such a magical touch. I'm going to wait til you complete the background and tank top before I finish up.

I have thoroughly enjoyed this project and am looking forward to the next one! :lol: :evil: :D hmmm... what about a little girl with lots of sunlight on her face and blonde curly hair... or perhaps a redhead with freckles... or a baby? Oops! Just thinking out loud... sorry! :D

Stay Cool,
Marcia

pequan
12-06-2006, 09:23 AM
BRAVO Bruce, your Julie is gorgeous.........love the background....You did a fantastic job on this WIP, very patient and understanding, needless to say a marvelous instructor..........laughing at Marcia, I was thinking you may want to do a project of twin boys or two girls 11 and 6ish... Stay inside and paint and enjoy your day.............
____
Linda

beachwalker
12-06-2006, 12:40 PM
Bruce, I did a daylight photo test late this morning (No. 5 in Progress Images) and was absolutely amazed at the difference between this one and the previous images shot under my drawing board lights! No. 5, despite showing up a little too red, is very much closer to the original! I'm not done yet, but I'm feeling good!:D

pequan
12-06-2006, 12:44 PM
cindy: your portrait is fantastic....you should feel darn good!!!!
_____
Linda

*Deirdre*
12-06-2006, 12:44 PM
You're right...Bruce has a magic touch...and it's rubbing off on all of you! :thumbsup: Great paintings everyone!:clap:

beachwalker
12-06-2006, 12:55 PM
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Julie.natural light test
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/67734/tn_DCP_9650.jpg

Aha, I've finally discovered how all of you are commenting on specific entries! Another successful test today . . . guess my biorhythm must be doing okay.:rolleyes:

Linda, thank you! I'm really hyped to finish now.:D

AnnieA
12-06-2006, 01:04 PM
:clap: :clap: :clap: I think I was finally successful (I hope) in uploading an image. Don't know why but it seemed to work...

binkie: I'm on slow dial up, and I've gotten to the point where the Progress Images page takes ages to load now; it's because there are so many images. It seems to load the images in the order that they were uploaded to the page. I don't know what sort of internet you have, but perhaps when you've gotten the red X it's because it's taking an inordinately long time to load. Maybe it's just a question of waiting (nearly forever :lol:).

At any rate, that's great you finally got it to upload.

lisilk
12-06-2006, 01:14 PM
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Julie.natural light test
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/67734/tn_DCP_9650.jpg

This is looking GREAT! Well done!

*Deirdre*
12-06-2006, 01:38 PM
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Julie Stage 2 ( without Flash)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/35025/tn_Julie_Fase_2%27.jpg
Beautifully done Rose, is this the final image?

Chloe_1
12-06-2006, 01:38 PM
Hi everyone!
Bruce your doing such a good job at teaching at such an unruly crowd:lol: :lol: :lol:
Your undue patience with everyone is showing in the outcome of their progress.
It's been a challenge, and I am enjoying it.
Here's I am http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Dec-2006/68155-IMG_0979.JPG
This was taken this summer. I was having a cup of chai tea at a favorite place here in vancouver called East is East.. Cheers:clap: :wave:

*Deirdre*
12-06-2006, 01:41 PM
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Julie.natural light test
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/67734/tn_DCP_9650.jpg
Another amazing one from you, Cindy!

*Deirdre*
12-06-2006, 01:43 PM
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finished Julie
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/81946/tn_Finished_Julie.jpg
You're right to be proud Linda, you've done very well!:thumbsup:

bruce johnson
12-06-2006, 05:08 PM
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I'M DONE! (I hope)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/81946/tn_completedJulieproject.jpg

Hi Linda well done... I love it when artists sign their work..it means they accept it :clap: :clap: You have one very small job left to do...the edges on the shirt are too shrp and crisp... and they grab the atttention of the viewer too much .. soften them w little with a shaper(blender/finger) not too much just enough to ease the focus.. I love your background..outstanding.. :clap: :clap: I've put you down for the next project.. :thumbsup:

bruce johnson
12-06-2006, 05:12 PM
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Julie.natural light test
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/67734/tn_DCP_9650.jpg

Oh yeah ..Oh yeah... this is good...very good... I'm jealous.. :D :lol: :lol: Fabulous job Cindy... there is nothing I would improve.. :clap: :clap:

bruce johnson
12-06-2006, 05:16 PM
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Back to Wallis
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/33616/tn_julwallis.jpg

THis is very good Deirdre.. very good indeed.. Excellent detail in the eyes.. :clap: :clap: is the wallis like colourfix paper.. ie sandpaper ish. I didn't mind the colourfix except for the excessive dust.. I don't think I've seen it around close.. :thumbsup:

bruce johnson
12-06-2006, 05:34 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/68155/tn_IMG_1615.JPG

Hi Chloe.. I'm enjoying watching you develop and learn:clap: :clap: .. the portrait is looking good.. with good skin tones and modelling of the features.. the mouth needs some work... the teeth are too large and not accurate.. in portraiture its very important to get the eyes and the mouth right as these are the two features that give likeness and expression..I would take an extra piece of paper and study the mouth and teeth and practice drawing them... then come back and redo the mouth on your portrait ...this is such an important step.. its worth putting the time in .. you wont regret it.. :clap: :thumbsup:

bruce johnson
12-06-2006, 05:37 PM
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Second attempt
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/94919/tn_Abstract_1.jpg

Good drawing Rick ...get right up close when you take your pics... try to get the whole pic in the view finder.. pastel now ....:clap: :clap:

*Deirdre*
12-06-2006, 07:53 PM
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Back to Wallis
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/33616/tn_julwallis.jpg
is the wallis like colourfix paper.. ie sandpaper ish. I didn't mind the colourfix except for the excessive dust.. I don't think I've seen it around close.. :thumbsup:Thanks Bruce...kind of you to say so! :D Wallis is a sanded paper...Kitty Wallis, it's inventor has a section in the pastel forum...she will send you a sample if you ask! Colourfix is good...but the best is Wallis!

beachwalker
12-06-2006, 08:11 PM
Bruce, it would be hard for me to overestimate the value of this portrait challenge. With your upbeat attitude and excellent feedback, you have given all of us incentive to put out our best effort. For me, mostly colored-pencil focused but increasingly disheartened by the restrictions of the medium, this has been a breath of fresh air and a new look at something that might be more satisfying. Just recently, a well-known cp artist told me that she has shifted almost entirely to pastel for the reason I’ve mentioned, and her work shows a freshness that is exciting and inspiring. I’m not ready quite yet to make a sea change in my artistic direction, but this experience has definitely opened up another option. Thank you!:)

Li, thank you for taking a look and for your nice comment!

Dee, thanks to you, too, for your lovely comment and also for your information on pastel surfaces. Love the rich colors you're getting! My Julie portrait is on pastel paper that’s about 25 years old, inherited from my husband’s uncle who was a portrait artist. I know there’s a lot better stuff out there now!

AnnieA
12-06-2006, 08:12 PM
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Julie.natural light test
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/67734/tn_DCP_9650.jpg

Wow! Nice work. The skintone looks perfect and so does the hair. Very impressive!

AnnieA
12-06-2006, 08:16 PM
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Julie Stage 2 ( without Flash)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/35025/tn_Julie_Fase_2%27.jpg

Just beautiful, Rose!

AnnieA
12-06-2006, 08:19 PM
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finished Julie
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/81946/tn_Finished_Julie.jpg

Great job, Linda!

beachwalker
12-06-2006, 08:25 PM
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I'M DONE! (I hope)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/81946/tn_completedJulieproject.jpg

Linda, very nice finish, and good for you for signing! My husband always has to remind me to do that!:D

Annie, thank you!:)

pequan
12-06-2006, 09:34 PM
AnnieA, Cindy and Deirdre thanks for your help in this and for your comments on the finished product.... I think all of us did a great job .... :heart:

bruce johnson
12-06-2006, 09:35 PM
Thanks Deirdre I'll track her down and see if its avalaible in Aussie..:thumbsup:

Cindy you're very welcome.. I've only been painting for two years or so I attended my first painting course in Nov 2004) and my knowledge is somewhat limited, but i like to pass on and help where I can.. comes from being an elite sports coach for many years I guess... you're a very talented artist and will go far... just keep trying new things, you may just hit on something that is a life changing experience and takes you on a different path.. with art I mean of course:lol: .. I learnt most of my techniques from painting watercolour to begin with and then adapted these techniques to suit pastel.. I also have a very talented mentor (Susan Harrison-Tustain), whom I owe most of my development to .. Take a look at Susan's website, absolutely brilliant... www.susanart.com ...thats where I want to be with my art.. although I can see my style developing in a different direction.. whereas Susan paints with true realism my art seems to come out with a more painterly look.. I don't know if this is good or bad. time will tell I suppose.. what do you think.. should I go more with more realism and finer detail.. its a quandrie with me at the mo... :thumbsup:

Bruce

binkie
12-06-2006, 09:43 PM
Annie, You're probably right. I also have the slow dial up (until 12/11) and I get impatient sometimes.

Thanks,
binkie

binkie
12-06-2006, 09:45 PM
Linda, She looks great!!

binkie

bruce johnson
12-07-2006, 01:41 AM
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Julie on wallis face - mouth
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/33616/tn_julwallis1.jpg

Very accurate mouth Deirdre, you have captured Julies smile.. the red in the gums could be cooled down just a little it grabs my eye.. great job... :clap: :clap:

bruce johnson
12-07-2006, 01:48 AM
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Julie Progress
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/34440/tn_JULIE_PORTRAIT_PROJ_eyes_mouth_ear_nose_120606.jpg

Hi binkie the skin tones look great.. the lines by the eye take a bit of getting right.. the trick is not to draw in the lines but to indicate a line by laying in a little bit of shadow and then adding higlight on the opposite sie of the crack to give the impression of a wrinkle.. your portrait is looking good though.. well done...:clap: :clap:

Striver
12-07-2006, 01:51 AM
Just had forty winks and a browse now, Oh dear, surprising the errors one see's on the screen. Looking again at my work am red faced, so a fun challenge to you all! what can you see wrong or needs altering on my submission. Start with the eyes.
Go for it and enjoy
Les

bruce johnson
12-07-2006, 01:55 AM
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First color attempt
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/8824/tn_julie_dec_7_color.jpg

Nice Job Les.. :clap: :clap: I would add a little more colour to Julies cheeks and that will really make the portrait pop... I think you have the head the right size its just all her hair makes it look overly large IRL. nice skin tones.. well done:thumbsup:

bruce johnson
12-07-2006, 01:58 AM
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initial sketch on sand coloured canson
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/46454/tn_julie_for_wc_sm.jpg

HI violet, great to see your post, I'm looking forward to seeing your progress.. :clap: :thumbsup:

GoldenArt
12-07-2006, 08:44 AM
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Back to Wallis
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/33616/tn_julwallis.jpg

Thank you for your comments on the differences in the way the two papers take the pastel. I am soooo new to this , and I am learning so much from you all. Your Julie is looking great!

Rose Baggs
12-07-2006, 10:26 AM
Oh Wow...thanks so much dear Lisilk, Les, Pequan, Jo, Binkie, Pat, Pat II(Bock), Dee and Annie for your nice comments to my portrait. Bruce, THANK YOU!!! Love your method and you're a great mentor. Thanks. I've been working on a background...will post when it's done.

GoldenArt
12-07-2006, 12:46 PM
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Julie Stage 2 ( without Flash)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/35025/tn_Julie_Fase_2%27.jpg

I am so impressed, this is on the money. I look forward to seeing more of your work in these projects. The opportunity for new artist like myself to work with an artist of your talents is a remarkable learning experience. I am thankfull to Bruce for doing this project and collecting such a fine group of artist to participate. Super!:clap:

beachwalker
12-07-2006, 01:20 PM
Bruce, I so much appreciate your feedback and the reference to Susan Harrison-Tustain's marvelous website. I am really impressed by her extraordinary handling of light and composition. I'm guessing she's a wonderful mentor. As for your own work, I think you should continue with exactly what you are doing. It's obviously working very well for you.:) :thumbsup:

Pat Isaac
12-07-2006, 04:36 PM
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Julie Stage 2 ( without Flash)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/35025/tn_Julie_Fase_2%27.jpg

This is absolutely outstanding!:clap:

Pat

AnnieA
12-07-2006, 06:31 PM
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Back to Wallis
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/33616/tn_julwallis.jpg

Wow, Diedre! The color in your piece is fabulous. The skintones and hair are excellent. What colors did you use for the hair? For that matter, what colors did you use for the face? Nice work, Diedre!

pequan
12-07-2006, 06:35 PM
Diedre: your Julie is excellent!

Alecto
12-08-2006, 01:27 PM
Hi Bruce,

I scrapped my piece and started over due to a mishap. I uploaded 5 new images in in the works-in-progress gallery of this project. You'll notice that I went a bit Fauve. I'd like to keep that direction, but I'm happy to hear comments and criticisms as far as values, resemblance to the reference, incorrectly placed warms and cools, etc. If you could give me a brief critique of the development I did from the brushed back photo to the most recent, that'd be great too (in case there was a more sensible way to approach the rebuilding). I'm working opaquely now to cover staining from the last attempt.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=portfolio_entries&userid=88719&proj_id=1072

Thanks for all your hard work, Bruce!

[Edit: I should add that the last photo is not representative of the true colors. IRL the image is considerably more yellow, and what looks like bright lavender on the screen is in reality a more greyish color because of the layering with lemon yellow -- though it is still recognizably purplish.]

pequan
12-08-2006, 03:39 PM
Alecto: I think your Julie is wonderful!!

Alecto
12-08-2006, 06:22 PM
[Edit: I should add that the last photo is not representative of the true colors.

Strike that. I have a new photo that better represents the colors. Though, as I now compare it to the original, the computer version is still somewhat darker and cooler than the real one.

Thanks Pequan! It's been an uphill battle for sure.:(

bruce johnson
12-09-2006, 05:49 AM
Hi guys

I got dragged out to do the xmas shopping today. so no critiques sorry.. I'll be up bright and early in the morning.. :wave:

*Violet*
12-09-2006, 05:40 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/46454/tn_julie_wip_7_sm.JPG

of course this is before blending ... !!! ... :lol: ... *stop shaking your head bruce* ... :lol: ... i think i'd do much better working from a pastel painting than a photograph !! .... can't seem to figure out how to keep the yellowishness and yet achieve believable flesh tones ... i'm reaching for different colours now ... flesh tones ... is that cheating? ... but i don't have *any* blue/violets of any kind .... *grumble* ..... i have worked on everything a bit more though and will post the progress? later ....

Pat Isaac
12-09-2006, 05:46 PM
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further along ...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/46454/tn_julie_wip_7_sm.JPG

You are just too funny, Violet. I think this is coming along fine just keep going....

Pat

bruce johnson
12-09-2006, 07:47 PM
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better color rendition
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/88719/tn_better_picture.jpg

Wow... Alecto... when I opened the first image .. I wasn't sure how this was going to turnout.. but for a limited palette you are doing an amazing job.. the skin tones have turned out very well. With the hair I would justadd in some hghlights where needed. The darks in the hair are perfect.. Very good likeness as well ..:clap: :clap: great job..

bruce johnson
12-09-2006, 07:55 PM
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julie progress
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/34440/tn_JULIE_PORTRAIT_PROJ__SHOULDERS_120706.jpg

This is looking great binkie.. just two things stick out... the tips of Julie's fringe need to be blended a little to soften the front of the hair.. and the nostril needs to be a little warmer .. add a little red violet...

Such a soft touch.. well done:clap: :clap:

bruce johnson
12-09-2006, 08:05 PM
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further along ...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/46454/tn_julie_wip_7_sm.JPG

Hi Violet ...wow you've surely pumped this one out.. :clap: the likeness is very good. you've captured that pixie look that reminds me of Julie..:thumbsup: the skin tones are very well done as is the blending.. In the hair it looks to me that you've used a warm yellow(tending to orange rather than a cool yellow tending to green) the cool yellow against the complementary colours of blues and reds in the darks will make the hair shine.. I think the shadow under the jaw may need to be warmed up a little add some red violet or maybe a touch of burnt sienna even.. great job though :clap: :clap:

bruce johnson
12-09-2006, 08:44 PM
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Julie - background
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/1072/progress/35025/tn_Julie_background1.jpg

This is a beautiful portrait Rose.. exceptionally well done.. There is nothing else I can say.. :clap: :clap: :clap: