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SanDL
04-01-2002, 10:26 PM
I used to work exclusively in oil pastels but I never bothered to prime my supports. Some of my better drawings are showing minor signs of deterioration.

I liked working with oil pastels because it required no set up time.
I don't want to be bothered with gessoing paper. Are there papers or other supports out there that don't require preparation?

Rick R
04-04-2002, 12:53 PM
I don't have an answer for you, but I am interested in what kind of paper you use for your oil pastels and what brand of oil pastels you are using.

I'm fairly new to pastels, to colored media in general really, and I'm looking for a heads up if you're noticing problems.

sandge
04-04-2002, 02:06 PM
I don't know the answer either but I am interested to know what kind of deterioration you are detecting.

You might find some information of interest in these threads:
A Question for Oil Pastelists! (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30693)
Oil Pastels - Soft Vs. Oil (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3054)
first oil pastel experience, Help! (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2967)

SanDL
04-05-2002, 04:23 PM
The paper is losing its crispness and the edges are sort of getting soft.

Sylvielu
04-05-2002, 07:47 PM
I find smooth Bristol and vellum bristol good for oil pastels.

MKathleen
04-07-2002, 10:20 PM
Hi SanDL:
I would think that you could use illustration board. It comes in different thickness and is very durable. I use it for gouache opaque watercolor and have used it for pastel. As far as pastel I like to make a pumice mixture and paint the mixture onto the illustration board. I would think oil pastel would work well on this type of ground. Try the illustration board plain first and see what ya think...
Best,
Kathy:)

SanDL
04-07-2002, 10:32 PM
Thanks! I'll try that.

LarrySeiler
04-08-2002, 08:29 AM
choices always have consequences...
it may be an inconvenience for you, but the problems you are having are due to the acid concent that oil carries. Oil pastels carry oil content.

Acrylics actually need no priming or gessoing to protect the surface from the paint. However....with oils you always need preparation. Unless of course you purchase pre-primed gessoed surfaces.

I would suggest you eventually commit yourself to a day or two where you do nothing but prepare surfaces. Then you'll have enough supports to work on for a length of time, rather than the dread you'll face each time before. Preparation of panels & supports however...is a burden all artists have to deal with.

I personally see it as a challenge to make it as easy as possible for myself...yet know with confidence that if anyone forks out big $$$ for my work...they are getting a good product with long archival future. I have a demo showing my process here on WC tough it applies to canvas, which you could use.

If you applied a few more coats of gesso than I have in my demo and sanded them, you could get the surface as smooth as you would like. Add acrylic color to the gesso to get any color background you would like to work on. In your case, you don't need canvas...just a thicker paper. The layers of gessoing, sanding, and added color will give you the "freedom" to choose your support.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Articles2/532/110/

Larry

Rick R
04-08-2002, 01:27 PM
I bought some acrylics and gesso to try preparing illustration board and watercolor paper a couple of weeks ago.

I wonder, though, if the clay-treated surfaces would still need to be prepared to be oil-pastel proof. I'm specifically thinking about Clayboard and a product I think Crescent makes, an illustration board with a clay surface. (check Dick Blick)