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Nickel
11-11-2006, 09:17 AM
Hi and welcome to week 46 of classical art journey! :wave:

Won't you join us?
Any medium is welcomed to participate.

The purpose is to do something each week, in otherwords
don't let real life get in the way of not making art.
Sometimes we miss a week, but try and catch up
when we can.

A quick sketch or a masterpiece is welcomed here.
Friendly people here to enjoy life and learn about art
together helping each other.

In oposite to last week in Paris, this week, back to the Greeks.

The myth of Hippolytos, the illegitimate son of a king and an Amazon, and Phaedra, his stepmother who falls in love with him, has been performed on countless stages.

It is the riveting tale of what happens when you love someone you shouldn't and how the suppression of powerful emotions results in tragic loss.

Enduring Myth: The Tragedy of Hippolytos and Phaidra

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Nov-2006/39040-guerin.jpg

Baron Auguste Gaspard Louis Desnoyers after Pierre-Narcisse Guérin
French, about 1802
Engraving
19 x 24 in.
VEX.2006.2.38
Private collection

http://www.getty.edu/art/exhibitions/enduring_myth/
Enduring Myth: The Tragedy of Hippolytos and Phaidra

Greek myth summer


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Nov-2006/39040-phaedrapainting29.jpg

Roman wall painting representing Phaedra seated, probably with her nurse, 1st century AD

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Nov-2006/39040-hippolytosvase.jpg

Apulian red-figured volute-krater (bowl for mixing wine and water) representing a Fury and a bull terrifying Hippolytus' chariot horses,
about 340 BC




http://www.thebritishmuseum.ac.uk/myths/phaedra.html

Have a great week everyone!
Nickel

artbyjune
11-11-2006, 02:56 PM
:wave:
Hi Nickel, an interesting myth (which I'd never heard of). So I am off to read up on your links. I am getting very interested in mythological and allegorical painting...due to studying Raphaels 'Knights Dream allegory'- a painting I am in love with -now that I have tried a version of it myself. Its so charming, surely Raphael was a woman not a man!!!:lol: :D

Nickel
11-11-2006, 04:46 PM
:wave:
surely Raphael was a woman not a man!!!:lol: :D

lol, June you are so funny! :D

PushingPixels
11-11-2006, 07:12 PM
Hi girls!!! Well I was going to post week 45 but I see time stands still for no one. I did read up and look at everyones work for week 45, wow soon it will be time for Christmas!!!

Today I did a sketch after Micheal Sweerts "Young man in Grey Jacket" 1659
His is much prettier but here goes...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Nov-2006/44004-swerts-sm.jpg


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Nov-2006/44004-sweerts_jacket.jpg

Nickel
11-11-2006, 08:42 PM
Hi Barb, lol, what do you mean time dosn't stand still hehe.
I know what you mean. I'm running to catch up.
Your Sweerts is beautiful! One of your best yet!!!
I really like how your expression turned out, and love his eyes and hair!
Great job!
It's nice to hear from you too! Thought maybe you snuck in Susan's
suitcase and headed off to Ireland. I'm waiting to see if you paint
some of your photos from the Ghost Town. They are awesome pictures.

artbyjune
11-12-2006, 06:18 AM
I love your drawing Pushingpixels. It has the feeling of a study by Gainsborough to me. I have never come across the artists 'sweerts' bfore this. I'm getting a lot of new info this week.:thumbsup: :clap:

Granby
11-12-2006, 08:37 AM
Hello all,
Beautiful drawing Pixels, you did a great job. When I tried to do a self portrait recently I had a vision it might turn out something like your drawing. Instead I looked like a barbarian ready to leap off the page and sack civilized Rome. darn reality.

Since Raphael was brought up - does anyone know exactly why the pre-raphaelites marked him as the man where everything went downhill?

Take care everyone - will x-post my renaisscance(? yikes I have no idea how to spell that word) egg tempera try for this weeks effort as soon as Nickel gets back to me on some fashion color advice.

(June - since you asked - that drawing was small - about 5 by 7 inches - really bad idea to start so small with a new medium - but I think its turning out well)

Nickel
11-12-2006, 12:00 PM
Hi June, Sweerts has only been in the public eye I think for around 25 years or so, maybe a little longer. Not very much on him in America, maybe there is more in England.
We did a thread on him here http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=320565&highlight=sweerts

And what ever Granby tells you I told him, it's not true, hehe, I just showed up. It wasn't me. Hey I'm a child of mixed fashion sense. What I like I can't afford. Corny huh?

Let me see if I can find what you did Granby.

About the other question let me think, I often have an inquiry nature before I sit down on one side of the fence. I have to remove the marketing from the hype to find the truth.

PushingPixels
11-13-2006, 01:01 AM
Thanks for the kind words... Nickol I really enjoyed reading the thread you posted... what a wealth of information! I was actually privy to see the boy with a straw hat in a musuem not long ago and it was breathtaking. One of those AHHHHHH moments to be sure.

artbyjune
11-13-2006, 01:13 AM
Hi Granby, I've been reading a few snippets on Raphael here and there on the web...and someone (on some site somewhere) wrote that the pre-Raphaelites were not against Raphael, rather they were in opposition to all the artists who came after him -as everyone from then on seemed to just imitate Raphael. I think it was put this way, all the drawings looked like Raphael drawings. No other styles. They wanted a change.

Unfortunately I don't have a link to that source. Maybe if you look up Pre-Raphaelites, you'll get their reason??

Granby
11-13-2006, 09:41 AM
Hi,

My effort for the week can be found at this link, which is to my post in the Renaissance Italian Painting course. Nickel is not responsible for the colors - although I'm accepting volunteers if someone wants to take the blame.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5120826&postcount=102


June - I think you are right with what you said about Raphael from what I have read. Apparently he had a very distinctive compositional style - and it became quite rebellious over time to do things differently than he did. I've sort of picked this info up from bits and pieces I've read in scattered places- so I am not sure of it either.

Nickel
11-13-2006, 11:05 AM
Hey Barb, you are so lucky to have seen Sweerts' work in person. I've read it is awesome. That's a pretty good thread, lots of goodies in it for sure.

Hi June, Granby, all, will work on putting together a thread on this subject this week. I pulled out my book on the Pre-Raphaelites and their story is interesting. Even found out a few tibits I wasn't aware of doing some internet searching....there is always something to learn. I hope you all will help add information to the thread so we have a good source here in classical for our reference.

Granby, whenever I fuss at my husband for doing something, and he's always doing something, he tells me it wasn't him, he just showed up. lol, He get's away with that statement everytime. :)

Your colors look GREAT! Good Work!

artbyjune
11-13-2006, 12:48 PM
Yes. I agree, the colours look great on your tempera, Granby. :thumbsup:

I won't get into mine until the end of the week. I have a few things to do, plus I have a pain in my shoulder and arm. :eek: Luckily, my left arm and I am right handed...so I can always soldier on. Hope it clears up soon.

As for composition, I'm a real beginner...I know there are a lot of classical types of composition, but no idea what Raphael's contribution to the topic was...

Nickel has there been a thread on compositional styles/types?:confused:

Nickel
11-13-2006, 01:21 PM
Hi June, check out this article by Michael Newberry, it is great food for thought.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Articles2/8254/701/

Rose started a thread on still life comp here in the projects.
Then John Cox did some in his thread on how he paints, the first part it's now in our Hall of Fame. Those are off the top of my head.

I haven't started on my tempra yet. I've been out buying trees at the nursery. Eating of course, they have a hotdog stand outside with fresh lemonaid.

Mony G
11-14-2006, 04:21 AM
Hi !

..I saw Granby's tempera: great colours !... regarding the Pre-Raphaelite' matter I had recently bought and read a book myself and my idea is quite similar to stumptailmonkey's... I mean they supposed to think art was too influenced by Raphael, or something like that !

anyway... this is a quick sketch I have made this morning... quite an ambitious one !.. about more than an half of hour's morning work before going out for my usual chores !http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Nov-2006/77963-god_study.jpg

still Michelangelo from the Sistina Chapel.... God the Almighty... of course !

if I ever finish it ... I'll let you see it again!

Good-bye to you all...

Mony

artbyjune
11-14-2006, 10:40 AM
Great drawing. You really captured the expression, Mony.

Nickel
11-14-2006, 09:59 PM
Ok, I got us started with a thread for the Pre-Raphaelites.
Lets make us a good resource here in Classical.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5125449&posted=1#post5125449

Nickel
11-14-2006, 10:00 PM
Mony, is your neck hurting from looking up? :)
Great job! God would be happy. :)

PushingPixels
11-15-2006, 12:50 AM
Granby your tempera painting is impressive. I would imagine blending any colors in tempera would be VERY difficult, as they are almost opaque. I have seen artists get superb results by using tempera as pure color fill because the paint is so dense. Sort of like laying down color in paint by numbers.... remember those? :lol:

I have used it on top of transparent watercolor when I have made a muck of things... wooops.. I'm telling on myself.

I love it Mony Mony Mony:music: :music: :music:
You did Michaelangelo proud.

Oh goodie Pre-Raphaelites - very interesting group. Sounds like a strange sect of Monks dosen't it?

I can hear them saying...
Acutually I am of the Pre-Raphaelite order... we only paint in muted tones and never on Sunday. Our waspy visions seem to miraculously materialize on the canvas with our critics uttering in monotone praises as they stand in awe gasing at our vapourous glasing techniques. ohmmmmnnnn.

No offense ment to any person, it's just me being silly!!!:thumbsup:

azulparsnip
11-15-2006, 01:03 PM
here's my leftover from last week - I really enjoyed doing this and as I worked on it my love for this piece increased.......I was impressed with the emotions of the hands....from the waist up she is a chic woman but from the elbows down she is a shy, demure girl.......wow!

Nickel
11-15-2006, 07:16 PM
Wowieeeeeee Azulparsnip, I like this! You have some interpretation of this lady after working your drawings and paintings. It is awesome! I like too, you sharing your insights from the experience. I noticed in some of Sargents paintings he like to use the same colors! Great job!

Nickel
11-15-2006, 07:18 PM
You all are doing a great job with the Pre-Ralphaelites'' thread!!!!
I don't know, I'll sneak this in, the name reminds me of
"THe Chipmonks" must be the time of year..:D