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James or Jimmy Jim
10-15-2006, 09:30 PM
I'm halfway home and I'm online for tonight.

As some of you might know, I spent the last week in Putney, Vermont, working my ass of in Albert Handell's and Anita West's workshop. There were demonstrations (we are not worthy :D), paintouts and critiques every day (not to mention the thorough, individual critiques of previous work, on Thursday and Friday) ... and so much information, my head is still spinning! Our group was an amazing, extremely talented and tenacious bunch. :D Handell doesn't pull any punches and he isn't for the sensitive or faint of heart.

I met Captain John (Captain's Portrait ) and his lovely wife, Penelope. They were wonderful hosts, and John is quite the character ... and very mischievous (we hit it off right away). :D :D They are both the salt of the earth.

Yesterday we watched Richard Schmid do a demo, asked him questions, painted with Nancy and the Putney painters, then had lunch with them all. I spent some time studying Richard's painting from the back of his van. Albert also did another demo (I was by his side). :D

Although I was invited to stay until Tuesday to watch Dennis Sheehan paint a demo, before joining them for another paintout, I decided to get back to work, instead.

I'm exhausted, but can honestly say that this was worth every penny. It was quite the experience, and we were all given individual advice and homework! As Albert kept saying "There are painters who paint, and there are painters who talk ... be a painter who paints! Paint or draw every day! I'm from New York ... I'll shoot you!"

While I'm at it, I'll also quote Richard "Do you know what the secret to all this is? Drawing. What do I mean by that? If you know how to draw, you also know how to see!"

Photos to come.

Bruce Newman
10-15-2006, 09:53 PM
That must have been an incredible few days, Jim. I'm looking forward to photos and even more toward attending next year...I hope!

Chouchou
10-15-2006, 10:02 PM
Can't wait to hear (and see) more about your week ... Safe trip the rest of the way home, Jim!

James or Jimmy Jim
10-15-2006, 10:15 PM
That must have been an incredible few days, Jim. I'm looking forward to photos and even more toward attending next year...I hope!

Bruce, they will be doing the same workshop again, same time, next year - I plan to be there (I hope). I painted with some of the Putney painters ... John, Rosemary, Andrea, Cathy Anderson (the nicest people!), and didn't know how good they were ... until I saw their work at the Putney Inn! :o :D

Albert doesn't pull any punches - neither does Richard (he doesn't like galleries) :D. Nancy is a sweetheart. I was with her while she painted Albert, while he was painting.

chewie
10-15-2006, 10:16 PM
i thought someone else had gone to a handell w/s, and watched richard schmid paint--does he go to all handells' events? wow, i can only imagine how great that would've been, you lucky dog!

oh, we were cross posting--i would like to hear more of schmids' dislike of galleries? huh? what was that about?

James or Jimmy Jim
10-15-2006, 10:18 PM
Can't wait to hear (and see) more about your week ... Safe trip the rest of the way home, Jim!
Thanks! Some of the roads were a challenge. :D :D

James or Jimmy Jim
10-15-2006, 10:28 PM
i thought someone else had gone to a handell w/s, and watched richard schmid paint--does he go to all handells' events? wow, i can only imagine how great that would've been, you lucky dog!

oh, we were cross posting--i would like to hear more of schmids' dislike of galleries? huh? what was that about?
Nope, just this one. :D

He said that galleries used to take 33%, then 50% ... now some want 60%!

He said that artists aren't business people, and galleries know that. As an example, take a 10K painting ... the gallery wants five K. He said, "What could you do with five thousand dollars to promote yourself, instead of giving the money to the gallery?"

skipstah70
10-15-2006, 10:35 PM
Jim... wow... sounds like you had an awesome experience... I can't wait to hear and see more. I'm definitely going to have to "apply" to the one next year... I love Handels work.. beautiful light and surface effects (and Schmid's too). What a bonus for you to meet Richard.. and see him paint a bit too (I think?).

Ya got any of your own you'll post.. would like to see!

Skips

James or Jimmy Jim
10-15-2006, 10:49 PM
Skips, I'm ready to quit my day job (not really). Handell is ruthless ... but amazing! His wife, Anita, is lovely and a delightful person (my wife really liked her).

The information we got from the workshop was amazing. They focus in on your strengths and weaknesses. They talk about the PR and the marketing side, but emphasize "production".

Julianne
10-15-2006, 11:49 PM
Wow, sounds fantastic! I was thinking about you all week, and dying to hear all about it! Hmmm, how can I get rich so that I can fly over next year?!!!! Looking forward to seeing photos, and hearing more stories. And also looking forward to seeing the progress in your up and coming works :)

Actually, I'm auditioning a possible 9 day gig in Las Vegas early next year. I'm not expecting to get it but if by chance I do I'll be looking out to see if there are any good workshops I can zip over to, including anything by Handell.

They sounds like wonderful teachers! Can't wait to see your upcoming paintings! Did you have good weather for outdoors?

Jean Levert Hood
10-16-2006, 11:18 AM
ohhhhhhhh, cannot WAIT for more info! What a great opportunity. I know that after a really good workshop with one teacher, my head is swimming, I cannot imagine this experience! Please share all that you can.
Did Handell do pastels only? or any oils? He is indeed incredible.
I am so sick of workshops with 'groupies' and 'favorites' that one for The Not Faint Of Heart would be welcomed.

AHA
10-16-2006, 12:03 PM
We are all on the edge of our collective computers waiting.......Annie

JanB
10-16-2006, 02:09 PM
Jealous!:envy: :evil: :D :D :D You know you're now committed to a day by day account of everything you learned and posts of everything you painted at the workshop...:lol: :lol: :lol: We're all waiting :D

chewie
10-16-2006, 02:18 PM
i'm with janb!! i wanna hear every juicy detail, so cmon!! dont' hold us in suspence! sure sounds like you'll be stewing over this trip for a long while, glad for you!

Marcella B
10-16-2006, 02:46 PM
Thanks for the info. Jim, can't wait to hear and see more:D You must be tired, but what a great tired. Did you have to go to work today?
Marcella

Bill Wray
10-16-2006, 05:14 PM
What a line up-- good for you.:clap:

Bobbo
10-16-2006, 06:50 PM
:wave:
c'mon don't tease us,
can't wait for the free lesson :D

Elannie
10-16-2006, 07:31 PM
Sounds like a great experience! Waiting with everyone else to hear more!!!

Rosic
10-16-2006, 07:52 PM
Good to have you back Jim... sounds like a dream come true for most of us...

James or Jimmy Jim
10-16-2006, 10:39 PM
I'm back home, a bit pooped and somewhat overwhelmed (not really :D).

Hi everyone! Hey Julianne!

I haven't shot any of paintings since getting home, but I did shoot two on location.

Here are a few images to share with you.

When we arrived in Putney, which is a very, very small, funky "village", we stopped at the Putney Inn, and I was surprised how sophisticated it was. The Putney painters had a show there, and here are a few of the images. This was the first time I've actually seen a "Schmid" in real life, and I wasn't disappointed. The colour and brushwork were amazing and they look nothing like they do online (I actually didn't like the second one online). The others here are by Rosemary Ladd and her husband John Smith - lovely and down-to-earth people. The last one was done by Nancy.

I've also included a few random images of paintouts, demos ... blah, blah, blah, to quote Handell (he went to school with Lee). :D :D :D

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Richard1.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Richard2.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Nancy1.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Rosemary.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-John_Smith2.JPG

Here's John painting on our second day.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-John_Smith.JPG

James or Jimmy Jim
10-16-2006, 10:43 PM
The people in Putney are a throwback to the sixties. People are friendly, helpfull and I really liked it there. Talk about relaxing.

Here are a few more images from the paintout on the second day. First, Albert did a pastel demo. He is a true master. His slide show of his work was ten knotches above fantastic.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Albert_1.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Albert_2.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Albert_3.JPG

My other photos weren't very good.

His wife, Anita, also did a demo (oils).

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Anitasmall.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Anita_1a.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Anita_small_3.JPG

Here's my setup. At first, my canvas was in shadow and I couldn't see what I was doing (every stroke looked dark), so I had to move my setup and look to my left while painting.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Me_1.JPG

I moved my easel and here's my painting. Not quite so hot. The sun came out when I took the photo.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Me_2.JPG

We did a critique on site. :D The woman at the right is a fellow Canadian.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Barbara_critique.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Andrea_critique.JPG


Please put my painting down!! :D

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Jim_critique.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Paintout2.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-PICT0024.JPG

James or Jimmy Jim
10-16-2006, 11:05 PM
Recognize this? It looks nice in real life. :D

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Captain_small_2.JPG

We had daily demos.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Treedemo.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Treedemo1.JPG

This took just over an hour!!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Treedemo2.JPG

Here's a detail.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Treedemo_detail.JPG

Albert did an oil painting demo for us. He spent less than two hours on this, working from terrible photos. He said that he doesn't copy photos ... or what he sees on location.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-AlbertWater1.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-AlbertWater2.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-AlbertWater3.JPG

I don't have anymore images that were in focus. Sorry. :D

Okay, here's Richard. :D

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Richard_1.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Richard_3.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Richard_4.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Richard_6.JPG

TerriMarie
10-16-2006, 11:09 PM
All I can think of to say is "Wow" - Thank you for sharing !!!! :) It must have been amazing...

James or Jimmy Jim
10-16-2006, 11:21 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Richard_9.JPG

A few details. Richard dipped a brush into two different colours (a different colour on each side, then rolled it onto the canvas ... oh, yes :D).

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Richard_detail_1.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Richard_detail_2.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Richard_detail_4.JPG

Here's Richard and John. I really enjoyed my daily chats with John. I'll say no more! :D :D :D

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Richard_John.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Albert_1a.JPG

Albert had dappled light and a different painting on his paper when he painted this!


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Albert_1b.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Albert_1d.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Albert_1e..JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Albert_1f.JPG

As usual, no final painting, but trust me, it was goooood. :D

James or Jimmy Jim
10-16-2006, 11:39 PM
What I failed to mention, was that we did daily paintings, and that some days ended at 10pm. Yes, it was boot camp. :D :D :D

Here's another of my paintings ... in my trunk. :D I haven't shot anything yet.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Me3.JPG
Here's Nancy. She's such a sweet person.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Nancy.JPG

I chatted with her for quite a while. She painted Albert ... painting. :D Here she is with Rosemary Ladd.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Nancy_Rosemary.JPG

Here I am with my boss. :D

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Jim_Albert2.JPG

Here with my two bosses. :D Schmid's actually much taller than I am, but the uneven ground is misleading.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Jim_Albert_Schmid.JPG
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Jim_Albert2.JPG

Lorijo
10-17-2006, 12:14 AM
Wow, what a wonderful experience! Your paintings look fine too. Looks like they liked them too! Lori

Julianne
10-17-2006, 12:33 AM
Woo hoo, way, way kool, mr JJJ! I'm sure you're not regretting not doing that portrait thingy you cancelled to do this! Thanks for sharing so much of it (and of course we'll be pressing you for more :D)

So - what did they say about your paintings? You said they focussed on strengths and weaknesses, what did they say your strengths are?

James or Jimmy Jim
10-17-2006, 12:48 AM
Ha! Hey there girlfriend.

When I showed my drawings, at critique time, Anita said ... Albert ... I think you'll want to see these. :D He liked them, especially the day after he went into great detail about trees. He's amazing with trees - a master!! His slide show had me on my knees!

Here's an image from one of his demos ... and here's what some of what I showed him at critique time.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Albert_treedemo.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-Small1.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/33859-33859-Smalltree3.jpg

JD Hannah
10-17-2006, 02:01 AM
Man,Youre a Lucky guy! Schmid is my hero. wondering how tall he is? I know its a weird question. I admire his work and have read his book "Alla Prima" 5 times over.

You're work is great as well I might add. Thanks for sharing your experience as well as posting pix for all of us....was a treat!

Bill Wray
10-17-2006, 02:33 AM
sick with envy, thanks for sharing. I whould have never tried the "blocked" shot Schmid did, thats why he did it, he can make anyting work.

skipstah70
10-17-2006, 03:53 AM
OMG JIM... I am drooling looking at these!! Looks like you had a great time... so much positive art energy in all these photos!:thumbsup: Thanks so much for sharing them.. I'll be counting the days until this next year's event!!:D Also very nice tree drawings too.. Handel must have been impressed!

BTW.. who did you say did the third painting you posted of the woman holding the teacup?? It is phenomenal!

Skips

Yorky
10-17-2006, 04:06 AM
What a wonderful experience Jim - and wonderfully told.

Doug

Bobbo
10-17-2006, 05:54 AM
breath taking!
those demo's are priceless
thanks so much for giving us more than a glimse
into an experience of a life time!
sitting here for over half an hour with my mouth open
gotto paint now and clean the keyboard!
you did well turning out a good painting,
with all that excitement going on...

Marcella B
10-17-2006, 06:55 AM
WOW! Jim, these photos shows us just what a truly, great experience you must have had. Looks like they really cared if you came away with a lot of knowledge. Must have been a dream come true, looks like you did well with your painting while there. Thanks for sharing.
Marcella

AHA
10-17-2006, 10:13 AM
I'd love to hear, after the dust settles, what key points you came away with from this experience.
Thank you for sharing this with us, very happy for you. Now where do we sign up for next year???? Annie

Jean Levert Hood
10-17-2006, 10:53 AM
Thank you for sharing!!!

Shari
10-17-2006, 12:05 PM
Thank you so much for sharing this with us. Your coverage is so thorough, I enjoyed this immensely. I have taken one workshop with Albert and you are right, he is tough, I came away almost in tears at one point; of course, he is right about his critiques and yes, he suffers no fools. I adored Anita, his wife, she is an absolute sweetheart.

DFGray
10-17-2006, 12:24 PM
Looks like a good time, when is the bootleg video available?

James or Jimmy Jim
10-17-2006, 01:09 PM
JD, Richard is about 6' 2", or so (I think).

Bill, he spent about two hours on that painting. When he was finished, he said that he'd probably add a person in front of the trees. Just then, two people walked in front of the house ... and he shouted STOP! STOP! He took a photo of them. :D

Shari, yes, Anita is just wonderful and very helpful. I didn't know much about her and was pleasantly surprised how good she was.

Julianne, the general view was that I needed to get more colour into my paintings, which I knew. Albert starts his paintings with transparent washes, then finishes with a knife and opaque paint. He suggested I give it a try. His colour is bold (doesn't translate well online) and his slide presentation blew us all away.

He works both outside and in the studio. His location work was so "finished", it was mind boggling.

I have to start giving general answers here, so if I don't answer everyone by name, don't be offended. :D :D

Skips, the woman holding the teacup was done by Nancy. I mixed a few of the images up by mistake. The images of Anita doing her demo are actually from two different sessions. The first was a monochromatic start, before adding colour. The second was the start of a different painting. Schmid came over to us, added a colour to her palette and painted a cloud with a knife and his finger. He laughed at her little "cups" of mineral spirits, then brought his over. :D :D :D

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Oct-2006/33859-Richard_Anita.JPG

Albert and Anita do workshops throughout the year ... but this one was special. :D

Dan - ha! I have hundreds of photos.

Here's captain John, causing trouble. He had a habit of pestering artists.:D Even Richard threw something at someone painting, then cut a few small branches and hung them on a tree, because there weren't enough leaves there. :D He was a friend of the artist.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Oct-2006/33859-Captain_John_friends.JPG

James or Jimmy Jim
10-17-2006, 05:13 PM
After our critiques, Albert gave us assignments. Mine were (there probably were more):

1) I tend to lean towards warm colours and I should try to include cools. He recommended that I put warm and cool colours of the same value in my shadows and/or midtones, and to vary the temperature in different areas of the painting. He explained how when painting a portrait or a nude, there are colour/temperature shifts (forehead to cheeks to neck to breasts to legs, etc.) and the same things happen in the landscape - look for them! :D

2) Try to paint everyday. He wants me to do at least five paintings by (American) Thanksgiving.

Here's something that I found unusual at first, but it made perfect sense. He was helping me with a painting and I asked him how to handle the changing shadows. His answer was "That is that, this is this", meaning, don't be a slave to the landscape, make the painting work on its own.

It also came up when he was working from three small photos. Someone asked him how he could do it. They said that if they tried it, they would just copy the bad photos (and the person asking was one of the best in the workshop). Albert's answer was "I don't copy photos when I paint, and I don't copy the landscape, when I'm outside - they are a springboard."

Then he added that there's nothing wrong with painting inside from photos or studies, but to do so successfully, you have to have a lot of experience painting outside.

He told us not to always try and do finished paintings. Go for just one area and really understand it, study it. He said try to resolve the painting, not simply to finish it. When we had the critiques which included work done before the workshop, he would turn pieces to face the wall, saying this "picture" is finished, but dead (no life).

There was something that I noticed with the way he painted, I also noticed it with Richard and Anita. There was no mindless "pushing" of paint. Each area was "resolved" to a degree, before they moved on to another area. Albert said that it was like playing chess ... every move should be planned, and you should be thinking ahead.

Marcella B
10-17-2006, 05:42 PM
More great stuff Jim:clap: I'm glad you are the one that got to go to the workshop, since you seem to have a great mind to retain things, and willing to share the photos and knowledge. And it might also help you to put some of it in words while it is fresh in your mind. At a time when I had an art teacher, I would paint a painting while there, then come home and paint the same thing again the next day, just to see if I could paint as well without the instruction. I'm really enjoying your posts, thanks so much.
Marcella

TerriMarie
10-17-2006, 05:47 PM
Ditto! I am loving this thread! Thanks again for taking the time to share all of this with us! :wave:

Brad121
10-17-2006, 06:01 PM
Thanks for your excellent pictures you really captured something of the atmosphere of a paint out.

I've seen the demo the Captains portrait, is the Captain a painter too?

regards,

Brad

James or Jimmy Jim
10-17-2006, 06:12 PM
Marcella, you'll like this one. He said that he would go into the woods and study the light, the trees, rocks, etc., throughout the day as the light changed. He also did "Zen" paintings, where he would study scenes and mix colours in his mind and visualize painting in his mind. If someone else told me that, I'd tell them to ... but he has the work to back up the words.

I've always been impressed by his drawing skills, but I'll say it again, his slide presentation was much, much better than I expected, and I know his work. He had trees in strong, dramatic lighting that were done completely on location. Some of them looked as if they would have taken the whole day to do.

Anyway, on to my work, all 12 x 16.

Day one was a mess. The light changed completely on me ... I chased it and got a mess.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Oct-2006/33859-Trees1.jpg

Day two was better.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Oct-2006/33859-Trees2.jpg

Day three partly worked, but was muddy.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Oct-2006/33859-Trees3.jpg

Day four had spots which weren't too bad.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Oct-2006/33859-Trees4.jpg

Day five was a demo, then a continuation of in-depth critiques.

On day six, I decided my time would be better spent watching Richard, Albert, Anita, Nancy and the Putney Painters do their thing.

They kept telling us that the work will improve after the workshop, as things start sinking in, as we work, and not to be disappointed if we didn't see instant results. They kept stressing "production, production".

James or Jimmy Jim
10-17-2006, 06:27 PM
Brad, John paints pictures with words. :D

He is on just about every committee in town, does volunteer work, etc. He and Penelope (the woman in the first painting) run Village Arts. It's a very friendly, close-knit community, with many artists, writers and people in the service industry, in addition to farmers. John said that he feels blessed to live there.

Rosic
10-17-2006, 06:36 PM
Jim... thanks for taking us on this grand adventure...

2bears
10-17-2006, 08:36 PM
Awesome!

I went to my first workshop, and my first art instruction of any sort, this past weekend. My first day painting was..well..the second day painting was a little better. It looks so easy when someone experienced is doing a demo but its another thing when you have the brush in hand.

What I really came away with is a deeper respect for plein air painters. It's more involved than anyone could imagine. "Paint what you see" is alot tougher in practice!

Thanks for sharing and for the time it took to post all of the pictures and the write ups

James or Jimmy Jim
10-17-2006, 08:39 PM
Here's a painting of Penelope by one of the Putney Painters, not Richard.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Oct-2006/33859-Penelope.JPG

This is part of the grounds ... those buildings look like the new video "May". :D

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Oct-2006/33859-Paintout4.JPG

A closer look.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Oct-2006/33859-New_video.JPG

This is a nice setup. :D

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Oct-2006/33859-Nice_setup.JPG

One room at the Putney Inn.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Oct-2006/33859-Inn.JPG

Love these flowers.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Oct-2006/33859-PICT0075.JPG

Back to work tomorrow!

Bruce Newman
10-17-2006, 09:13 PM
Jim, thanks so much for sharing your wonderful adventure with us! I've enjoyed it immesely.

Brad M.
10-17-2006, 09:37 PM
[QUOTE=James (or Jimmy Jim)]This is part of the grounds ... those buildings look like the new video "May". :D[QUOTE]

This is a great thread Jim.
Putney is a wonderful place.
Yes that is the scene from "May", I was lucky enough to be up there when he painted it.:D

JD Hannah
10-17-2006, 11:12 PM
I feel as if I went there with ya! Awesome write up.

Katherine T
10-18-2006, 05:00 AM
Jim - this is a really wonderful thread - and you will remember the experience forever! So much insight into not just the plein air process but painting in general. Great photos too.

I shall now be watching for the lessons to sink in!

Johnnie
10-18-2006, 10:35 AM
Hi Jim

Looks like you really enjoyed yourself.. Your paintings look pretty good.. Thanks for all the pics.. Very nice.
Remember the average of a successfull painting in oil & acrylic is 1 out of 7 .. Watercolour is 1 out of 10

I know your a Schmid fan.. When are you getting one of these. I know you really want one.. The box that is.. I have a tripod like that here. . You interested.. ???

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Oct-2006/33859-Nice_setup.JPG

Like I said just great photos and thanks for posting them.

tnx
Johnnie

Weezy
10-18-2006, 12:53 PM
My face has to be as green as the grass.....purely from envy. Thanks for sharing.

Julianne
10-18-2006, 02:05 PM
More wonderful photos! That's a great shot of Nancy! Thanks for the futher details, it all sounds soooo exciting. I get the feeling that this workshop and what you've learned from it will impact you for a long time! Yeh, let's see where your new works will take you.

I saw that top tree drawing, but not the second one, very nice. The paintings came out good, too. Well I think I'm now going to have to go out and buy Handell's DVD. It's been up on the top of my DVD wishlist for a few months now.

Jean Levert Hood
10-18-2006, 02:31 PM
I ordered the Handell DVD yesterday. I had wanted it for some time, too!

VArtist
10-18-2006, 02:52 PM
Hey Jim! You're so nice to share all this with us (don't worry we won't tell anyone how nice you are). This was a great and inspiring thread. I love that passage about paintings being finished but not resolved, I can relate completely to that.

You really took a lot of time to share, thanks again!
Angie

James or Jimmy Jim
10-18-2006, 03:15 PM
Hi Bern. My pleasure.

No problem, Bruce. Maybe I'll meet you there next year. I now know Putney and the surrounding areas quite well, :D Brattleborough, Bennington, places to eat, shop, galleries, etc. Wonderful place. We were given directions to a farm to paint at the next day "When you get there, you'll see a chicken coup and an old rusted, blue VW Beatle." :D

Brad, yes, I recognized it immediately. There was magic in the air there. :D

Thanks, JD.

Katherine, I learnt so much, I can't begin to explain. Every few hours I remember something else. There was quite a bit of discussion about the marketing/PR side too.

Johnnie, I'm fine with what I have. :D Don't want to overdo it (I did buy some Viva paper towels, though). :D

Weezy, but there so many wonderful greens out there. :D

Julianne and Jean, I should get a commission. :D Albert said that he randomly calls people from the workshops to see how they're coming along.

Thanks, Angie. Are you saying that I should get back to work? :D

James or Jimmy Jim
10-18-2006, 03:18 PM
I forgot to mention that the people in the group came from all over North America: Ontario, Montreal, Florida, California, New York, Kansas, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, etc.

Some were full-time painters, some making a transition, there was a gallery owner (and painter) and there was even a racing car driver!

I always joke here that my oil paintings look like pastels or watercolours. At a critique, someone asked if mine was a pastel.

Rosic
10-18-2006, 03:34 PM
Jim this would make an awesome WC article if you feel up to it... you could actually cut and paste your input and photos from this thread... please consider it...

WetCanvas! Article Publisher System: Step-by-Step Guide (http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Publisher/step-by-step.html)

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Just rated this one 5 stars!

Tony Perrotta
10-18-2006, 03:59 PM
Hey, Jimbo, you %$#@^&%%### lucky dude.

Thanks for the pics. This would be a dream workshop for us regular humans ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Your work has improved in leaps and bounds ! Keep it up......

Tony, Ton, Tone Loc,

James or Jimmy Jim
10-18-2006, 04:37 PM
Hey, Jimbo, you %$#@^&%%### lucky dude.

Thanks for the pics. This would be a dream workshop for us regular humans ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Your work has improved in leaps and bounds ! Keep it up......

Tony, Ton, Tone Loc,

Thanks, Anthony. :D :D :D

It hasn't improved ... yet, but it will.

James or Jimmy Jim
10-18-2006, 04:40 PM
Jim this would make an awesome WC article if you feel up to it... you could actually cut and paste your input and photos from this thread... please consider it...

WetCanvas! Article Publisher System: Step-by-Step Guide (http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Publisher/step-by-step.html)

Wet Canvas Article Publisher (http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Publisher/)

Just rated this one 5 stars!

Bern, thanks! I'm just the messenger. :D I'll see how my time goes.

id-art
10-18-2006, 05:10 PM
Jim - Thanks for the very interesting thread! Almost like being there. I met Richard S. and Nancy when they were in Couer d'Alene, Idaho, for a gallery opening. Both great painters.

Phyllis Rennie
10-18-2006, 08:45 PM
Sounds like a wonderful adventure, Jim! And you've done a great job of sharing it with us.

Julianne
10-18-2006, 10:55 PM
Hi Bern. My pleasure.
Albert said that he randomly calls people from the workshops to see how they're coming along.


How nice. Haha, that means you can't slack off cos he's going to check up on you and you never know when that will be! :evil: :lol:

LarrySeiler
10-18-2006, 11:26 PM
quite the opportunity...!!!! Very exciting...talk about a jump start!!!! VERRRrrrroooooommm...!!!!! Look out.... :D

James or Jimmy Jim
10-19-2006, 12:26 AM
Thanks, Bob, Phyllis and Larry.

Julianne - tell me about it! :D

Even beyond the actual workshop, it was an exciting, yet low key adventure. We stayed at a B&B which was in a restored 1810 brick Federal manor house, surrounded by farms and meadows. Our hosts were a retired Math and Physics teacher and a guidance councillor from New York City. Each morning we ate breakfast with very interesting people. We met an eccentric English couple who went into great detail telling us about their drive, in the fog, on the wrong side of the road, at night ... in the mountains of Vermont, at highway speeds - you have to experience it first hand! There was a retired art teacher from Long Island (we're keeping in touch by email), a stranded truck driver, a couple from New York City, whose son was in boarding school in Putney. :D a teacher who lived in different parts of South America and had some interesting stories about capital punishment in the schools ... and that's just off the top of my head. :lol:

We kept running into Handell and Anita, people from the workshop and people from the B&B, whenever we went shopping, to restaurants, the grocery stores, etc.

Julianne, even at life drawing tonight, I kept thinking "don't rush, focus on resolving a specific area, don't necessarily try to finish the drawing." :D

Shoe
10-19-2006, 01:18 AM
Jim...

Great, great post!!!! Thank you so much for this!!!

Jan

skipstah70
10-19-2006, 02:47 AM
Jim... I have to say thanks again. The insights you give about Handel and his methods are the type that can only be gained by encountering/witnessing someone of that calibre work first hand. The things you say about him and the other "Putnians" trying to resolve any given area before they leave it is very interesting..I didn't realize that they worked this way! I guess it makes alot of sense.. providing you have the drawing skills.

Also the "zen" stuff about Handel mentally mixing colours in his head I find really interesting. A few times throughout the day I would sometimes look at any nondescript objects and wonder what two colours would make them.. needless to say I though of getting some professional help :p !! LOL. But .. after hearing your comment about Handel.. maybe it's not such a crazy thing to do?!:D

thanks, Skips

James or Jimmy Jim
10-19-2006, 10:59 AM
Skips, after an afternoon of painting, someone in the group had two paintings for the critique (this happened quite often), a large finished one, and another just over half done.

Albert said that the large painting was okay, but the unfinished one was much better ... and it was. The area that was focused in on was very well done - it had been "resolved". The overall effect looked like a vignette, much like how Schmid doesn't always paint out to the edges. Albert told him to resist doing more work on it.

As I mentioned earlier, watching Albert and Richard work was very interesting. I've seen them paint in their videos, saying things like (Richard) "getting the drawing, getting the drawing" and "slow down, Richard, don't rush" and (Albert) "Do I like that?" "That feels good". They would get an area to work (not overworked), before moving on to another area. That takes real skill.

JamieWG
10-19-2006, 11:33 AM
Jimmy, what a fabulous experience and fascinating thread! Thank you so much for taking the time to share the adventure with us. What a tremendous amount of great art and great art company! If you get a chance, I would love to hear the specific critiques on the paintings of yours posted in Post #44 of this thread.

I'm very moved by how much they stressed the "Production" side of painting. I've been doing a painting a day since August, and it's not easy, but I'm hoping the brush mileage pays off. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens with your work now and how what you've learned gets integrated into what you already know and do.

It sure does sound like the experience of a lifetime. Maybe I can go next year! When this thread settles down and falls off the page, please PM a reminder to me (if I don't catch it) so I can move it to the Hall of Fame.

Jamie

Katherine T
10-19-2006, 01:14 PM
Jim - I only realised after you posted where you were. Which is about 20 miles, just across the state line, from where I was staying in Keene a month ago - I remember seeing signs to Putney as I drove back from my visit to Bert Dodson (author of "Keys to Drawing") further up in Vermont. In fact I think I might have stopped at the gas station!

B&Bs are great aren't they........;)

James or Jimmy Jim
10-19-2006, 01:29 PM
Jim - I only realised after you posted where you were. Which is about 20 miles, just across the state line, from where I was staying in Keene a month ago - I remember seeing signs to Putney as I drove back from my visit to Bert Dodson (author of "Keys to Drawing") further up in Vermont. In fact I think I might have stopped at the gas station!

B&Bs are great aren't they........;)

The place is so laid back and rural - peace signs on cars are big there. :D Having said that, there are some famous people hiding in those mountains. Captain John rang (I have to use language you can understand :D) a friend of his, an internationally recognised (even spelling :D) landscape designer for my wife to meet.

The B&B was doing a thriving business!!

James or Jimmy Jim
10-19-2006, 01:35 PM
Jamie, yes, production was really stressed.

For my first one (while I was working on it), it was recommended that I add some "punch" and colour. Albert did some knife work to it. The shadows changed completely (a few times) and I mucked it up. He said that I didn't quite pull it off. :D :D He said it was a difficult scene (trying to be nice).

He liked the second one better (the shapes, the trees and the colour). He told me not to do any more work on the foreground. I asked if I should break up the strong dividing line at the right side, and he told me to leave it the way it was. Before leaving, after being out in the fields all day (two demos before lunch), we were told to check ourselves thoroughly for ticks - Lyme disease! I thought of you. I was not too happy! On the final day, when Richard and Nancy painted, I noticed that they had on rubber boots, which they changed afterwards.

The third one was when I started to get more serious instruction, which clicked for me. He said that it was a very good underpainting, and he would love to jump in and finish it with some knife work, leaving a fair bit of it showing. He went into detail about changing colour in the landscape. On a side note, I was beside a large tree when I painted it, and the entire time handfuls of leaves ended up on my palette, stuck in my paints. It was like someone was throwing it at the palette. There are quite a few pieces of leaves in the painting. :D

The forth one was done before the intensive critique at the end of the week, and it was included in the group.

Albert strongly recommended that I try pastels, because of my drawing ability. I also showed him some of my life drawing. He said that his career really took off when started using pastels. He said that I should also try using a knife more, as it was a bit like using a pencil or pastel. I was very surprised that he puts down his brushes after doing a transparent underpainting. I saw some of his new oils, and they are outstanding.

I've never had a big problem with drawing or "seeing", just paint application (getting the brush to behave) and colour. This workshop was just what I needed. Some of this is starting to get through my thick skull. Seeing Schmid the next day was the icing on the cake. Watching him "draw" with his brush and seeng him apply rich colour has really helped me.

Katherine T
10-19-2006, 02:00 PM
Jim - I drew with a brush this week, for the first time in years, and enjoyed it. Might be because I could never quite get the hang of using a brush to draw before or because I only used it for two minutes this time. Anyway, the point of all this is that when I started using pastels and started working bigger everything suddenly fell into place. I've been characterised by a few tutors now as a 'drawer' rather than a painter (is using paints with a brush) and I'm very happy with that 'tag' now - although it took a bit of getting used to.

Bottom line - I think Albert's right - you ought to be using pastels.

James or Jimmy Jim
10-19-2006, 08:58 PM
Katherine, I definitely will give pastels a shot. When I told Anita that there wasn't a market for them in the Toronto area, she said that there wasn't one in Santa Fe before Albert moved there - interesting.

I have a Schmid joke, "Here's my medium, one part stand oil, one part damar varnish and five parts turpentine ... and an olive." :D :D :D He also passed around his Langlickel brush, with five hairs. :D

Nancy Leone
10-20-2006, 10:22 AM
What a dream....Handell & Schmid!!!
Thanks for sharing your workshop experience with us. It brought back good memories (i took a Handell work shop 2 years ago).
I use the Handell technique of beginning a painting by drawing the composition onto the paper with just your fingertips....the Zen thing. It helps me to work out any problems with the comp. before I get started.
Thanks, again.

Tom Christopher
10-20-2006, 11:11 AM
Geat job Jim-This is easily the best thread I have viewed--you took advantage of an opportunity of a life time-your photos are real treasures-thanks for sharing w/us --tom

Johnnie
10-20-2006, 12:30 PM
I agree 1000% what ^^^^^^^^^ said..

One of the best threads..

tnx Jim
Johnnie

James or Jimmy Jim
10-20-2006, 08:19 PM
Nancy, yes, he did the "Zen" thing when he started painting. :D

So, you did a workshop with him. Some people there did a few with him before this one, also. One woman told me that a friend of hers quit after the first day (different workshop), because she didn't get the "stroking" she expected. She couldn't "handle" Handell's directness. I enjoyed it.

James or Jimmy Jim
10-20-2006, 08:20 PM
Thanks, Chris. It was a great experience, one that I won't experience again ... until next year. :D

James or Jimmy Jim
10-20-2006, 08:24 PM
Jim - I drew with a brush this week, for the first time in years, and enjoyed it. Might be because I could never quite get the hang of using a brush to draw before or because I only used it for two minutes this time. Anyway, the point of all this is that when I started using pastels and started working bigger everything suddenly fell into place. I've been characterised by a few tutors now as a 'drawer' rather than a painter (is using paints with a brush) and I'm very happy with that 'tag' now - although it took a bit of getting used to.

Bottom line - I think Albert's right - you ought to be using pastels.

Katherine, I'll be experimenting soon.

I won't be giving up the oils though. I'm too stubborn for that. :D

James or Jimmy Jim
10-20-2006, 08:25 PM
I agree 1000% what ^^^^^^^^^ said..

One of the best threads..

tnx Jim
Johnnie

Thanks, Johnnie. I000%? :D

Julianne
10-20-2006, 11:52 PM
He sounds direct all right, but sounds like he also hones in on everyone's goodies, not just the things that need critiquing. I'd rather that than molly coddling. One thing that puzzles me, though - nearly everypost I see from you is full of smilies and your photos you look so serious! :lol: (must be the pressure :D)

But this is such a fascinating read, Jim! Yah, your oils are fine, and nothing wrong with doing both (oils and pastels), eh?!

Sounds like a small troup from WC will be there next year. I've gotta figure out how to join up with y'all, what fun! :)

Nancy Leone
10-21-2006, 09:36 AM
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So, you did a workshop with him. Some people there did a few with him before this one, also. One woman told me that a friend of hers quit after the first day (different workshop), because she didn't get the "stroking" she expected. She couldn't "handle" Handell's directness. I enjoyed it.

Yes, I took a workshop with him here on Cape Cod. I was new to pastels and I think he took pity on me!! I'ld love to take another, someday....maybe Putney?!

JD Hannah
10-21-2006, 01:47 PM
I am wondering.....Did Richard mention why he went from Chicago (Palette and Chisel) to here in Colorado then eventually settling in the New England States? I see alot of Stove Prairie (Colorado)references as well in his Alla Prima Book. Just was wondering why he left Colorado? Perhaps we have to many bears and lions and such. To dangerous to do plein aire? Perhaps altitude issues... Just wondering Richard is my artistic hero. Would be nice if Richard wrote an autobiography. Peace. JD Hannah

Kathryn Wilson
10-21-2006, 10:01 PM
I just voted to give this thread the gold stars too - excellently written and thought-through description of the workshop and the things you learned.

I just got back from a pastel/oil workshop with Bob Rohm today - our experience was very similar and I am now going through my notes and photos to put up a thread. Thanks for sharing - and love the quotes from Handell.

If pastels have gotten your attention, please look for my thread over in our forum - I think you'll enjoy the experience there too - :)

BTW, "Weaston/Wyn" was in our workshop - he had a great time as he was the only "feller" in the group besides Bob.

Anita Murphy
10-22-2006, 12:56 AM
JJJ - thank you so much for sharing this (and RobinN for pointing me to this thread as I rarely get to this forum) its a pleasure to see, a wealth of info to absorb and inspiration to me as I have been stagnating in an art desert.

Johnnie
10-22-2006, 09:26 AM
Hi Moderator

I think this thread should be saved at least as a "STICKY" and also saved for properity in the Hall of Fame..Due to the amount of photo's and onscene description by Jimbo, I believe this thread warrants it..

Tnx

Johnnie

LarrySeiler
10-22-2006, 10:07 AM
Then he added that there's nothing wrong with painting inside from photos or studies, but to do so successfully, you have to have a lot of experience painting outside.



I like how this line is worded.

Because...we'll tend to tell folks NOT to paint from photos....as though a hard rule, but perhaps more because we know that human nature is to jump to it without this wealth of experience painting outdoors. So many will not hear you say...(selective hearing...because they don't want to hear it), you need much experience outdoors which then makes painting from photos okay. They'll simply remember the teacher painted from photos and said it was okay.

For many students...its almost better simply to tell them not to paint from photos. Eventually...if that mandate sinks in...they'll get the experience and then come to determine when its finally okay to refer some to photos. When that time does come...you find though you are liberated from any need to follow the photo. It has no strings on you. The painting becoming a good painting for the sake of the painting takes over every priority which the photo might otherwise dictate.

Great thread, Jim...

one question...

In one of the demo shots you have of Schmid painting...doing an oil on what appears paper. Primed watercolor paper....taped to the board, or what???

thanks for your time..excellent!!!

LarrySeiler
10-22-2006, 10:12 AM
Jim this would make an awesome WC article if you feel up to it... you could actually cut and paste your input and photos from this thread... please consider it...



we'll make a copy of this thread for now...the article is up to Jimmy, but we'll put the copy into the PA Hall of Fame... :)

GenghisKilroy
11-12-2006, 12:53 PM
Just found your thread and would like to introduce myself. I am John Kilroy, a member of the Putney Painters and have been working with the group for many years.
(See members lists at http://www.villageartsofputney.com/index_frame.htm)
or my website http:www.johnkilroy.com

The group selected by Richard Schmid and Nancy Guzik has been meeting at the barn in Putney and painting together, landscape, still life and portraits. Many of the group travel quite a distance to gather for the painting sessions. I don't think that you meet all the group when you were there for the workshop.

If you are interested in see my work and finding out more about my education and teaching philosophy go to www.johnkilroy.com.
I conduct high level affordable group classes in the metro Boston area. As well as teach a special advanced composition class at The Scottsdale Artist School in Scottsdale Arizona.

I will continue to post informative information a time allows.

Be Seeing You
John Kilroy

bigflea
12-23-2006, 10:16 PM
Jim,
Painting, with a bunch of painters, can be such fun, and provide unexpected insights and ideas to try.

Like everyone else does, I respect the work of Albert Handell, and Richard Schmid. I am in awe of any work that can turn paint into an illusion of form and light, or into a suggestion of form and light, or into an interpretation of form and light that is in some way draws us in.

But would have to disagree with R. Schmids conception, re. that drawing is the "secret" of paintings.

Color and shape are the fundamentals of painting. Color masses, and the shape of color masses, and then the shape of variations of color within a mass of color, are the foundation of painting.

A painter does not need to be able to draw well, in order to paint well. However, a painter does need to be able to observe the plane relationships of forms as color variations, and shape variations, to be able to paint colors that suggest forms in light.

There is nothing wrong with excellence in drawing. It trains the eye in observation of change. However, drawing is an abstraction of the visual experience, in which light and color is eliminated, or reduced to a value scale. No matter how accurate a painter's insight into a value scale is, it cannot be taken as an equation for a chromatic scale intended to correspond to the effect of light on form. Drawing is a study of form, without specific problems of the light effect on form color.

The Painter's Language is not drawing, but the study of color/shapes. Any painter needs to study drawing, but then, also the study of color shapes, and how these masses of color vary from one lighting condition to another. Drawing is a visual discipline, but not the same visual discipline the painter needs as a foundation for fine painting.
Ken

russell44
01-19-2007, 09:48 PM
Jim,

I am sure you really enjoyed the workshop. I went on one with Howard Terpning and felt the same way.

I have a question. In this market of the last few years, we see a lot of Richard Schmid wannabees along with Gerhartz and Scott Christensen, did Richard address this on what you really should take back from the workshop and not try to emulate him and other popular artists?

He is a very visceral person. I thought he may have some comments on this.

Chuck in Houston

Send me a private email if that is better.

artc
01-20-2007, 08:47 AM
Jim,
Thank you so much for this beautiful presentation.
I enjoyed it very, very much.
Thanks,
Art

russell44
01-22-2007, 11:40 AM
Nope, just this one. :D

He said that galleries used to take 33%, then 50% ... now some want 60%!

He said that artists aren't business people, and galleries know that. As an example, take a 10K painting ... the gallery wants five K. He said, "What could you do with five thousand dollars to promote yourself, instead of giving the money to the gallery?"

Richard sure used to use galleries as much as they used him. Talisman in Bartlesville OK sold a ton of his work to the executives of Phillips Petroleum. When you reach a pinnacle like he has where he can publish his own books, videos etc. but the media did a lot for Richard's career also. i.e. Art of the West and SW Art Magazines.

Chuck in Houston

gunzorro
01-22-2007, 10:29 PM
Jim -- I just stumbled into your narrative -- thanks so much from another Schmid fan.
Did you say there is a new DVD coming, "May"? I have the other three available now.
Is there any contact info on this seminar? Is Schmid a regular attendee, or co-host? Jim

James or Jimmy Jim
01-29-2007, 05:49 PM
Sorry, I didn't know there were responses here.

John,

I've exchanged a few emails with Andrea Scheidler. She also called to see if I was interested in going to Clayton Beck's workshop if February.

I saw Kathy Anderson's article in the latest International Artist Magazine.
In the same issue I also saw the painting of John Smith by Tony Pro, and Nancy's painting "Winter tea".

Ken,

When he talks about drawing, he means all of those things that you mentioned, except probably colour. Many people feel the same way. Drawing doesn't stop until the picture is finished. All items are continually adjusted throughout the process.

Scott, I'll PM you.

Artie, I'm glad you liked it.

Jim, Richard is supposed to be there again for Albert's workshop in the fall. There is the new DVD on his site.