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artdude
09-22-2006, 09:59 PM
Welcome to "The Dark side of Drawing!"


In this lesson, we will discuss ways of putting MORE darks into your drawings and look at how to use a "Value Scale".
I will first give you the old saying: You need dark to show light and light to show dark. I know a lot of us have a fear of going
too dark in our drawings as we think those dark areas will be tough to correct. This is really not the case as we do have erasers
for that! Using the correct grade of pencils will make those corrections a lot easier. Some people use just one or two pencils in
their work but I believe having a wide range of pencils will make things easier as far as getting the right values in your drawings.
I have a couple of different sets of pencils that range from a 9h (hard lead) to a 9b (soft lead). I may not use them ALL but it is great
to know I have them if I do need them down the road. Please note that I am not here to critique what you draw, but to help you with
using the right tools to get darker values in your work and will answer your questions the best I can.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Aug-2006/3698-pencilset1.jpg



On to the Lesson!

My first demo will show you how I use my pencils in relation to a Value Scale. I start by creating my own value scale by laying down
and labeling all the different grades of pencils I have to work with. Once this is done I can compare my pencil samples with the Value
Scale I am using and try to match those areas as close as I can. These will NOT be perfect as the tone of the graphite will not be an
exact match to the Value Finder! When I find a close match between the two I know have a record of which pencil will give me the best
result for the specific value I am looking for as I have each one labeled. Also note that different brands of the same grade of pencil will vary
in values. A 4b pencil from one brand name may be different from the same 4b of another just as when working with inks the intensity
of black inks will vary. So, it is important to work with the SAME brand name throughout so your drawing shades will be consistent throughout!

See examples below:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Aug-2006/3698-valuescalepncl2.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Aug-2006/3698-valuescalepncl1.jpg

As you can see in the example above, the 9b actually looks lighter (it should be darker) than the 8b above it. The 9b is a Derwent brand and the 8b is Staedtler.
These samples were made using a medium pressure on the pencil. I would also like to let you know that when using a harder lead be careful
of the sharp tips, as they can leave a dent in the paper. A sharper tip also gives you a darker line as you can see with the 4h and 8h samples.
I left those in there so you can see the result of using a sharp tip when shading. It's best to use the hard lead pencil with a blunt end or on its side for shading. Use a light touch when working with hard lead pencils to avoid damaging the paper! The Lyra Soft example is the darkest and the softest lead. It is a lot like charcoal and can be messy to work with, but gives the best results for getting the darkest values! I would also like to mention that PAPER is very important when trying to up the values in your drawings. Using a really smooth paper will not give you very good results as that paper doesn't have much tooth to it therefore not much graphite will adhere to the paper. It's best to use a paper that has some tooth to it and will accept more graphite when shading, giving you the ability to build up more darks in your work (see paper article link in the Field Trip area). You can also use a workable fixative spray on a drawing to give it more adhesion and create some darker shades/values. Be sure ALL your whitest highlights and midtones are in place before you spray as once you do spray it will be very difficult to erase those areas!


The Value Scale

This is the value scale I use. There are many different types and brands out there, so find one that suits you!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Aug-2006/3698-valuefinder1.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Aug-2006/3698-valuefinder2.jpg

Place your value scale over your photo to find the closest match and find that match on the pencil scale you did. You should now have a
good idea of which pencil to use for that particular part of your drawing! See photo below:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Aug-2006/3698-valuescalephoto1.jpg

Layering for darker values:
Below you will see an example of creating darker values by layering with 2 pencils. I used just a 4b and 2h pencil to create this example. The layers are listed in the order they were laid down. Using a 2h over your 4b is a way of blending with a pencil instead of a tortillion.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Sep-2006/3698-layerexample1.jpg
As you can see in sample 3, after spraying the graphite with a workable fixative, the far right is much darker the the example above it.
PS: the text in the above example shoud read: The last example was done like the 2nd

Class Assignments!

For your first assignment, I would like you to make a value scale using the pencils you are working with now (hopefully you've purchased a 2b and 4b), whether it be one, two, three, or more. Be sure to label each value as I did above. Varying values can be done by increasing or decreasing the pressure you place on the pencil. I just want to see what you are currently working with and it will give you an idea on what values you can create with the pencils you have.

The second assignment will be for you to purchase a few soft lead pencils (if you don't already have them). I would recommend at least a 2b and 4b Having a few hard lead pencils to work with would be great too but not really necessary as blending can give you some of those lighter values. Once you have your pencils, I would like you to post a drawing that you would like to add more darks to along with a reference photo if you have one. If you'd like to start a new one that's fine too, but try and do one that is in need of some dark values so we can work on them. The purpose of this part is to get you comfortable with using softer lead pencils to create those darks that might be lacking in your work. If you have a color photo, please convert it to black and white as it will be much easier to work with in that format. Please try and choose a photo that has some fairly dark values in it. Areas of total black would be good! :)

Here are a few pics from the WC Refference Library that I feel would be good to use for this lesson:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/RefLib/showphoto.php?photo=51044 (http://www.wetcanvas.com/RefLib/showphoto.php?photo=51044)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/RefLib/showphoto.php?photo=37607" (http://www.wetcanvas.com/RefLib/showphoto.php?photo=37607)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/RefLib/showphoto.php?photo=18910 (http://www.wetcanvas.com/RefLib/showphoto.php?photo=18910)


Field Trip
Here are a few links you may find useful:

Gray scale (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153974)
Grey Scale question (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229589)
tonal value scale (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=273807)
"Drawing Value" WC Article (http://www.wetcanvas.com/Articles2/19957/578/)
"Types of Drawing Papers/Surfaces" WC Article (http://www.wetcanvas.com/Articles2/3698/520/)
Understanding the Art of Shading (http://www.rebekahlynn.com/free/tutorial/shading_tutorial.html)
Dick Blick - Gray Scale and Value Finder (http://www.dickblick.com/zz049/47/)


Below is the drawing I will be working with for this class.
If you'd like to do the same drawing let me know and I can post the photo :)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Sep-2006/3698-saddlespur3.jpg
When I start a drawing, I like to lay in most of my darkest values first as I feel this gives
me a better way to gauge the light and mid tones in the rest of the drawing. This is my way
and you can try it or not. Just do what you are comfortable with :D

Murray :cool:
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Mary Woodul
09-22-2006, 10:45 PM
Murray, this is an excellent write up and a class that I think is needed and will be enjoyed by everyone. Thank you for doing this for us.:thumbsup:

Judi1957
09-22-2006, 11:48 PM
Hi Murray-:wave:

Such a valuable class for everyone. Thanks Murray!:clap: :clap:

Any lurkers out there join in! :evil: :D
Always a great group here.:thumbsup:
I am starting on my value scale now:angel: :D

Sumariel
09-23-2006, 07:06 AM
I suspect my participation is going to be sporadic, life does that, but it is definitely a class I need, am starting on my value scales this morning. If I can still sign up, that is.
Suzi

Mary Woodul
09-23-2006, 01:53 PM
Starting on the first assignment, but wanted to check on the pencils!:D BTW the example of the order in which you use the pencils for layering is very helpful.

Judi1957
09-23-2006, 03:10 PM
Hi Murray, Mary and Suzi!:wave:

Practiced the values a lil last nite. I used the Koh-I-Noor Progresso woodless pencils as they were handy.
I am going to do your exact excercise Murray with my derwents too, using the pencil grades you listed..

Selected a project of a canvas bag. Actually was really practicing and realized it wouls be pretty good for this Class. Nor a lot of area with the dark-darks in it, so I'll find another for the next one. This is the canvas bag from page 194 of Mike Sibley's Drawing from Line to Life book. Still working on the layers for the side of the bag as it needs more there.
I still need to read the art of shading link too.

Mary Woodul
09-23-2006, 07:26 PM
Judi, great start you have there.!

Murray, this is my value scale but I seem to feel that there is not much difference between my darks. They are all Derwent on smooth cartridge.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Sep-2006/43096-102-8-1.jpg

I think I'm asking for it with this reference but I do like it.:eek: It was submiited by Nikkers to the RIL.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Sep-2006/43096-reference_for_class_102-8.jpg

artdude
09-23-2006, 10:59 PM
Hi Murray, Mary and Suzi!:wave:

Practiced the values a lil last nite. I used the Koh-I-Noor Progresso woodless pencils as they were handy.
I am going to do your exact excercise Murray with my derwents too, using the pencil grades you listed..

Selected a project of a canvas bag. Actually was really practicing and realized it wouls be pretty good for this Class. Nor a lot of area with the dark-darks in it, so I'll find another for the next one. This is the canvas bag from page 194 of Mike Sibley's Drawing from Line to Life book. Still working on the layers for the side of the bag as it needs more there.
I still need to read the art of shading link too.


Sorry for the late response....my wife had me out shopping most of the day and I REALLY needed a nap after!! :lol: :cat:

Good start on the canvas bag! I like the fold/creases you've done :thumbsup: I checked Mikes book for the refference and so far you seem
to have the values down! Are you going to do the background and foreground too? You should also try and keep a log of some sort where you can write down what pencil grades you used in certain areas of the drawing, as that will be a good refference for future work :)





Murray :cool:
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artdude
09-23-2006, 11:06 PM
Judi, great start you have there.!

Murray, this is my value scale but I seem to feel that there is not much difference between my darks. They are all Derwent on smooth cartridge.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Sep-2006/43096-102-8-1.jpg

I think I'm asking for it with this reference but I do like it.:eek: It was submiited by Nikkers to the RIL.



Hi Mary. Like the value scale! Maybe it's my colorblindness, but I can see the differences in your darks. Did you use the same pressure on the pencil for each one? There will only be slight differences from one grade of pencil to the next until you start to layer them or use a different brand of pencil.

I LOVE that refference photo you found! It will be a challenge....but YOU CAN DO IT!!! :wink2: :thumbsup: The paper you use will make a difference in how black you can get that background, so maybe read through the paper article to give you some ideas what some other artists like to use.


Murray :cool:
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Mary Woodul
09-24-2006, 02:19 AM
Thank you Murray! I think I intensified the pressure on the darks but the same on all of the darks.

I'll check the paper thread to use the right one. I do like the reference too and can hardly wait to start it tomorrow, I mean today!:eek: I'm never up at this hour!:D

"J"
09-24-2006, 02:35 AM
I'm not good making one of these grayscales. But here is my attempt.

And the ref I will be working on. Have to get a new ink cartridge as can't print it out without stripes.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Sep-2006/84176-scale.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Sep-2006/84176-IMG_0569.jpg

artdude
09-24-2006, 10:15 AM
I'm not good making one of these grayscales. But here is my attempt.

And the ref I will be working on. Have to get a new ink cartridge as can't print it out without stripes.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Sep-2006/84176-scale.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Sep-2006/84176-IMG_0569.jpg


"J", it's kind of hard to see the whole scale you uploaded. The purpose of the scale is so you can see what range of values you can achieve with your pencils and then use those values in the proper place in your drawing.

That tree has a nice range of dark and mid values and should be good practice for this lesson.


Murray :cool:
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Sumariel
09-24-2006, 04:52 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Sep-2006/82344-greyscale.jpg

This is my greyscale, the 6B is a different brand than the others, and darkens differently consequently, but have tried to get the 6B in the Graphitone woodless, and the local Michael's has not had it in, will continue to look. The odd man out is a Portfolio Aqua, so is a water soluble graphite.

Have been thinking that Dee's kitties, Jadzia and Lewis might be fun to do if it suits the requirements here. Thanks,
Suzi

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Sep-2006/82344-Jadzia__Lewis.jpg

"J"
09-24-2006, 11:19 PM
Another grayscale.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Sep-2006/84176-grayscale.jpg

"J"
09-24-2006, 11:20 PM
Mary are you working on your picture? Are you putting the blacks in first?

artdude
09-25-2006, 12:09 AM
This is my greyscale, the 6B is a different brand than the others, and darkens differently consequently, but have tried to get the 6B in the Graphitone woodless, and the local Michael's has not had it in, will continue to look. The odd man out is a Portfolio Aqua, so is a water soluble graphite.

Have been thinking that Dee's kitties, Jadzia and Lewis might be fun to do if it suits the requirements here. Thanks,
Suzi


Hi Suzi. I guess you found out first hand about how different brands will give you different values:) Use your scale as a refference on your drawing. The cats have enough black in them :D


Murray :cool:

artdude
09-25-2006, 12:13 AM
Another grayscale.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Sep-2006/84176-grayscale.jpg


"J". This scale shows up much better :thumbsup:





Murray :cool:
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Striver
09-25-2006, 01:10 AM
Hi all, just browsed thro to find another class started and of course I want to join you, please.
Will sort out me pencils first but probaly tomorrow buy a fresh lot, and to think an hour ago I was looking at a set in the store. So back to re read the intro and print it out.
Enjoy
Les

Mary Woodul
09-25-2006, 07:11 AM
Jeanne , the kittens are so cute!

Judi, I can hardly wait to see your's, they are always stunning.

Les, nice to see you around.

Let's not forget to rate this class!!!:clap: :clap: :clap:

Sumariel
09-25-2006, 07:53 AM
Murray, I did note the evil grin, and yes, am quite aware of the difficulty of illustrating black animal fur. There really is method to my madness. I hope to have the help of all of you wonderful folks in getting this type of value demonstration into my thick skull and untamed hands. Thanks,
Suzi

artdude
09-25-2006, 10:43 AM
Hi all, just browsed thro to find another class started and of course I want to join you, please.
Will sort out me pencils first but probaly tomorrow buy a fresh lot, and to think an hour ago I was looking at a set in the store. So back to re read the intro and print it out.
Enjoy
Les


Hi Les. Glad you can join us! :thumbsup:


Murray, I did note the evil grin, and yes, am quite aware of the difficulty of illustrating black animal fur. There really is method to my madness. I hope to have the help of all of you wonderful folks in getting this type of value demonstration into my thick skull and untamed hands. Thanks,
Suzi


Yup, the kittens will be a challenge, as there are a some values that are fairly close to each other. I'm sure we can help you through it :D

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Look forward to seeing ALL your drawings and refference pics!! We can then get down to the nitty gritty! ;) Don't forget about the value finder!!



Murray :cool:
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*Deirdre*
09-25-2006, 12:03 PM
Have been thinking that Dee's kitties, Jadzia and Lewis might be fun to do if it suits the requirements here. Thanks,
Suzi

They're not actually My kitties...but they could be classed as Grand-kitties, as they belong to daughter!:lol:

Murray is it OK if I post this weeks WDT in here and get your critiques?:angel:

artdude
09-25-2006, 01:31 PM
Murray is it OK if I post this weeks WDT in here and get your critiques?:angel:


Hi Dee. I checked out the image for the WDT and the greyscale version looks like it would be a good candidate for this class, so by all means post the drawing along with the greyscale version of the refference pic :D:)

Other members are also welcome to do this ;)


Murray :cool:
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Striver
09-25-2006, 03:52 PM
Hi all and thanks Murray & Mary, looking forward to another steep learning curve.
And now into the day )Tuesday 7.50 am) mix of some chores and my pleasure. See you all later after my pencil buying.
Enjoy
Les

Striver
09-25-2006, 08:20 PM
Hi & good morning all
We are off, bought a new tin of mars lumograph pencils and fixative, hang the expense will eat porridge for a while.
made my start shading although the scan seems to have flattened the tones somewhat, still tink i have the idea. Next to sort out a photo for quickness will refer to the library ones.
See you later
Enjoy
Les

cmwynn
09-25-2006, 08:52 PM
Hi! Checking in, just one more thing I really HAVE to learn. I sorted all my miscellaneous pencils and came up with a set of Prismacolors ranging from HB to 9B so I did a value scale with them. I usually start with a 4B for all drawings. I can't use much pressure and can't even read notes I write myself unless they are in a very soft pencil. I use 6B a lot for darks, but softer pencils smear so much I rarely try them. They also break so easily.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Sep-2006/29839-Value-Scalexm.jpg
As for the reference image, "in for a penny, in for a pound." I have been doing a lot of pencil portraits this summer and am ready to start back doing some more of my grandson, recently turned 2. I gave up trying to take photos of him this spring, since they all ended up being shots of the back of his head. He wiggles faster than I can snap. I would like one of he brilliant smile, but will take any front view I can get.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Sep-2006/29839-Thomas-Sep06xm.jpg

Sumariel
09-25-2006, 09:35 PM
Connie, I think you may be as much a glutton for punishment as I am. I do not know if there is anything you can tell about whether I am doing anything "wrong", but might as well go for it, if you can, I'd rather it be caught early . . .

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Sep-2006/82344-Kitties.jpg

Suzi

Striver
09-25-2006, 11:19 PM
Hi Murray
This is a photo I took some years ago, perhaps this is the time to do something with it, what do you think, no problem if not suitable. It could compliment the one I done in negative drawing?
Cuppa and snooze time, me brain hurts with all this thinking!
Enjoy
Les

artdude
09-26-2006, 11:02 AM
Hi! Checking in, just one more thing I really HAVE to learn. I sorted all my miscellaneous pencils and came up with a set of Prismacolors ranging from HB to 9B so I did a value scale with them. I usually start with a 4B for all drawings. I can't use much pressure and can't even read notes I write myself unless they are in a very soft pencil. I use 6B a lot for darks, but softer pencils smear so much I rarely try them. They also break so easily.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Sep-2006/29839-Value-Scalexm.jpg
As for the reference image, "in for a penny, in for a pound." I have been doing a lot of pencil portraits this summer and am ready to start back doing some more of my grandson, recently turned 2. I gave up trying to take photos of him this spring, since they all ended up being shots of the back of his head. He wiggles faster than I can snap. I would like one of he brilliant smile, but will take any front view I can get.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Sep-2006/29839-Thomas-Sep06xm.jpg


Connie, not being able to use much pressure on your pencils should be fine as you can get those darks by layering. When using softer lead pencils place a sheet of paper over the part of the drawing you are not working on at the moment to prevent your hand from smearing it. You can also wait to use your softest (darkest) pencils until last and then spray your drawing with a workable fixative to prevent smearing. You need to make sure all your midtones and hightlights are in place before you do this as it will be difficult to erase those areas after you spray.




Murray :cool:
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Africanart
09-26-2006, 11:07 AM
Hi Murray

Thanks for taking the time to teach us the lesson, especially me I always seem to battle with getting my darks as dark as they are suppose to be.

I have decided to use the wdt as my "subject":wink2:, here is my greyscale and the greyscale of the photo. I have tried different pencils with this greyscale and as you see in different combinations as well, because I wanted to see the difference. Hope I did it correctly.

Oops the photo is not greyscale but I greyscaled it when I printed it out.

Thanks

Mary

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Sep-2006/69011-greyscale.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Sep-2006/69011-eggs.jpg

artdude
09-26-2006, 11:11 AM
I do not know if there is anything you can tell about whether I am doing anything "wrong", but might as well go for it, if you can, I'd rather it be caught early . . .

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Sep-2006/82344-Kitties.jpg

Suzi



Hi Suzi.
Looks good so far. Looks like you are going to lay in your darkest areas first. Once that's done, use those areas to compare the next lighter value you are going to use. Refer to your value scale to determin what to use for your next value. It would also help if you could post what grade of pencil you are using in a certain area.



Murray :cool:
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artdude
09-26-2006, 11:17 AM
Hi Murray
This is a photo I took some years ago, perhaps this is the time to do something with it, what do you think, no problem if not suitable. It could compliment the one I done in negative drawing?
Cuppa and snooze time, me brain hurts with all this thinking!
Enjoy
Les


Hi Les. That photo should work as this class is about going dark and being able to render the various values in a peice. There is a nice range of values in that photo :)



Murray :cool:
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artdude
09-26-2006, 11:24 AM
Hi Murray

Thanks for taking the time to teach us the lesson, especially me I always seem to battle with getting my darks as dark as they are suppose to be.

I have decided to use the wdt as my "subject":wink2:, here is my greyscale and the greyscale of the photo. I have tried different pencils with this greyscale and as you see in different combinations as well, because I wanted to see the difference. Hope I did it correctly.

Oops the photo is not greyscale but I greyscaled it when I printed it out.

Thanks

Mary

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Sep-2006/69011-greyscale.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Sep-2006/69011-eggs.jpg


Hi Mary, your scale looks great!!
The photo of the eggs has a good dark background with some subtle lighter areas that break up that area nicley.



Murray :cool:
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artdude
09-26-2006, 11:27 AM
Just a note:
To those who do not have a value finder, I would highly recommend you get one, as using it with the scale you've created will help in deciding which pencils to use in different areas of your drawing!

oh...and if you all could let me know what grade of pencils you are using when you post, that would be great!




Murray :cool:
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frieda L
09-26-2006, 01:13 PM
Ha, finally I can play, camera, computer, connector cable...when things go wrong...

Here is my grey scale, I haven't been able to find any fixative here,...I will find a way to get some, it will take some time.

Murray, would you mind if I bring the drawing of the tree, started in a different class... you commented I needed more darks, so even though it is not a new drawing, it is one I am still working on. I did a wash of 4b in areas that looked darker in the ref... I lost some detail, but not a lot. Will this be an example of the class as what not to do? Should I have darkened every little detail instead? This is what confuses me with darks... going over the same details with darker and darker, it feels like I just cover up subleties that took me hours to reach in the first place. Does an experienced artist get it right the first time around?
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Sep-2006/22676-102_lesson_8_001.jpg
and
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Sep-2006/22676-102_lesson_8_003.jpg
the ref...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Sep-2006/22676-101lesson_8_treeGreyScale.jpg
thank you, Murray...
I lived in Alberta (Calgary) for 20 years, miss the indian summers...
frieda

artdude
09-26-2006, 01:28 PM
Ha, finally I can play, camera, computer, connector cable...when things go wrong...

Here is my grey scale, I haven't been able to find any fixative here,...I will find a way to get some, it will take some time.

Murray, would you mind if I bring the drawing of the tree, started in a different class... you commented I needed more darks, so even though it is not a new drawing, it is one I am still working on. I did a wash of 4b in areas that looked darker in the ref... I lost some detail, but not a lot. Will this be an example of the class as what not to do? Should I have darkened every little detail instead? This is what confuses me with darks... going over the same details with darker and darker, it feels like I just cover up subleties that took me hours to reach in the first place. Does an experienced artist get it right the first time around?
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Sep-2006/22676-102_lesson_8_001.jpg
and
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Sep-2006/22676-102_lesson_8_003.jpg
the ref...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Sep-2006/22676-101lesson_8_treeGreyScale.jpg
thank you, Murray...
I lived in Alberta (Calgary) for 20 years, miss the indian summers...
frieda


Hi frieda. Nice to hear from a former Albertan! :wave:

When you shade over an area with deatils, such as the bark of the tree you will naturally lose some of those details. However, if you look closley at that those details you will see they are darker than the the tree shadow. You can use a sofer lead pencil (6b or 8b) to enhance those areas (make them darker than your shading) and also use a kneadable eraser to lightly lift out some of the areas that are lighter. Pinch the kneadable eraser to a fine tip and just dab it down lightly to lift out the grahite. DO NOT RUB as rubbing may embed the graphite into the paper making it harder to lift out!! Does this make any sense to you?


PS: I may be able to draw up an example of this later today if you like :D

Murray :cool:
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frieda L
09-26-2006, 03:33 PM
Oh, me again... I do not mean to post before it's my turn again, :angel: but this is so exciting. I spent some more time on the tree... adding some 6b, and a little bit of highlighting with the kneadable eraser, although I probably did that a little too randomly. Two two most "right" branches of the tree definitely gained in texture and zap.
Does this do the trick,... or am I just starting?:D
thank you,
frieda
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Sep-2006/22676-102_lesson_8_004.jpg

Sumariel
09-26-2006, 03:42 PM
OK, Papa Murray, this is where I get into trouble every time. I have overworked the front of Jadzia or Lewis, whichever Kitty is on the right, and I am losing tooth. Is this where the trick of the workable fixitive comes in? If so, it will need to wait til tomorrow, as I should be getting a small paycheck in the mail tonight, and can get some tomorrow, if that's what I need to do, do you have a brand you reccommend?
Thanks,
Suzi

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Sep-2006/82344-Kitties.jpg

artdude
09-26-2006, 04:36 PM
Oh, me again... I do not mean to post before it's my turn again, :angel: but this is so exciting. I spent some more time on the tree... adding some 6b, and a little bit of highlighting with the kneadable eraser, although I probably did that a little too randomly. Two two most "right" branches of the tree definitely gained in texture and zap.
Does this do the trick,... or am I just starting?:D
thank you,
frieda
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Sep-2006/22676-102_lesson_8_004.jpg


Yup, you brought back the bark texture! :thumbsup:
Now that that's done you still need more dark shading
in certain areas. Remember to think about what you are
drawing. The tree limbs have some bumps in them so your
shading should reflect that and be a bit irregular. So instead
of shading along the bend of the tree limb, you should shade
in the actual form (bumps included) of the limb and that will
make it more realistic. Now I've probably just confused you :D :wink2:



Murray :cool:
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artdude
09-26-2006, 04:45 PM
OK, Papa Murray, this is where I get into trouble every time. I have overworked the front of Jadzia or Lewis, whichever Kitty is on the right, and I am losing tooth. Is this where the trick of the workable fixitive comes in? If so, it will need to wait til tomorrow, as I should be getting a small paycheck in the mail tonight, and can get some tomorrow, if that's what I need to do, do you have a brand you reccommend?
Thanks,
Suzi

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Sep-2006/82344-Kitties.jpg


Papa Murray??? :confused: :eek: :lol: :p

Suzi, if you're losing tooth in the paper stop working on that area for now and continue with the rest. Since you are working with cat hair, you will want to pick out highlights of the hair with a kneadable eraser. Make sure all your lights and midtones are there BEFORE you spray with a fixative! Once you spray, you can always go darker but it's a lot harder to keep the lights! Once all those midtones and lights are in place then spray to get the darks darker.

Any workable fixative will work. I used Krylon and other brands. They all seem to work fine. You will notice that after you spray, your darks will get a bit darker.


Murray :cool:
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Murray :cool:
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Sumariel
09-26-2006, 05:02 PM
Aaaah! OK, that makes sense.

Re: Papa, you go to Dad when you're in trouble, don't you? :D Sorry about that, you are probably a pup compared to my age!:rolleyes:
Suzi

frieda L
09-26-2006, 05:47 PM
Yup, you brought back the bark texture!
Now that that's done you still need more dark shading
in certain areas. Remember to think about what you are
drawing. The tree limbs have some bumps in them so your
shading should reflect that and be a bit irregular. So instead
of shading along the bend of the tree limb, you should shade
in the actual form (bumps included) of the limb and that will
make it more realistic. Now I've probably just confused you


mmm... confused? eh... no I get it. I am looking for the bumps in the ref picture, and make sure they show in the drawing. By shading.
Should I use the same 6b as I did in the previous step, or a little lighter?
thank you,
frieda

frieda L
09-26-2006, 05:50 PM
Suzy, if anything, the kitty.s are cute already.
Mary, those eggs... I cannot wait to see what you do with them. I spent most of yesterday on those, but to post them I will wait until someone needs some comic relief.
frieda

Sumariel
09-26-2006, 06:30 PM
Thanks, Frieda, but that's not my fault, even macho males think kitties are cute, they just don't like cats.
Suzi

Striver
09-26-2006, 06:42 PM
Murray, good day
Perhaps a few words on, how and when you use the various pencils, F-H-HB-B. When they are combined and why like a HB over a B, glazing with a hard on soft? and whatever. I suddenly have a handful of pencils. what to do with them all, YES draw draw draw. Shade with Sharp point or side to fill the tooth or glide over, oh the pain of thinking it out. So perhaps a few general pointers.
Les

*Deirdre*
09-26-2006, 07:20 PM
Murray is not on line at the moment..so I’ll tell you what I think I know! :evil:

The H means hard and B means black. H pencils, because they are hard, leave less graphite on the paper, so are lighter. They are often used to glaze over the B pencils to give a greater depth of tone.

B pencils are softer, so leave more graphite on the paper, and so are darker. F means Fine Point, and it ‘s a very hard pencil - easy to keep sharp, but overall a bit too hard for general drawing. The more Hs, the harder it is (so a 6 H is harder than a 2H) -Careful not to press too hard as it can tear the paper!:eek:

HB is kind of in the middle, though for drawing, its still reasonably hard - and the more Bs it has, the softer it is - so the 9B is the softest and the darkest. We have them in the UK…not sure what you have in the US.

There are no hard and fast rules as such…try them all…you’ll soon find a good combination…generally speaking if you want to combine two grades use the H over the B, because it’s harder to do the other way round, because the H grades contain clay!

Hope that helps!

Striver
09-26-2006, 08:54 PM
Ta Dee,
Am wondering about layering really, when to do it, why and how, suppose it's trial and error. Noticed Murrays sample showed alternating layering with 4B and 2H up to 5 times, reason for doing this is????
From
Sunny Auckland New Zealand
Enjoy
Les

*Deirdre*
09-26-2006, 09:04 PM
Les...as I don't know for sure, I can only guess that the H blended and glazed the B but left it a little grey because of the clay content...so the B completed the sandwich and got rid of the grey! We each have our own ways of achieving tone...but in the beginning it's easier to follow the tutor!
Why don't you try it yourself and see what happens first hand!:wink2:

Striver
09-26-2006, 09:59 PM
Ta Dee
Yup, try and chuck
What paper do you use?
Have to pop up the Town now, so will ride the bike and collapse after, suddenly got very warm here and spring just started.
Les

*Deirdre*
09-26-2006, 10:15 PM
I like Bristol Board...but also use heavy Cartridge paper or any smooth surfaced paper with a little tooth that I can lay my hands on! For practice pieces I'm not too fussy - it's good to try a variety because you get the experience of trial and sometimes error...which is a good learning tool! I bought an expensive pad of Rising Stonehenge....only to discover I didn't like it at all!:crying:

Mary Woodul
09-26-2006, 10:18 PM
Hi!:D :wave:

Murray, just wanted to say I'm working on my pitcher but don't have enough to post yet, so I will post a partial, tomorrow.

Suzi, you kittens are looking cute!

artdude
09-26-2006, 11:23 PM
Murray, good day
Perhaps a few words on, how and when you use the various pencils, F-H-HB-B. When they are combined and why like a HB over a B, glazing with a hard on soft? and whatever. I suddenly have a handful of pencils. what to do with them all, YES draw draw draw. Shade with Sharp point or side to fill the tooth or glide over, oh the pain of thinking it out. So perhaps a few general pointers.
Les


ohhh...the pain of answering all your questions!! :eek: :lol: ;)

Having all those pencils and using them is pretty much experimental, to me anyway. As I stated in my opening post, I have 2 sets of pencils ranging from 9h to 9b and I bet I have yet to use half of them. If you look at my "layering" examples you will see how laying a harder lead over a softer one will actually blend out and darken the previous layer. For someone who doesn't have a variety of pencil grades, this is a good way to build up darker values. Where and when to use this method is up to you. You could just use a softer lead pencil to get the darker values. As far as shading goes, I like to use the side of the pencil when trying to cover bigger areas (see the background of my saddle drawing in the opening post). A sharp or rounded end of the pencil is good for smaller areas and detail work. A word of warning though. If you are using a hard lead pencil to shade make sure you use a light touch or shade on it's side. Shading with hard lead pencil on it's point may dent the paper and graphite will have a hard time getting into that area.

Hope this has answered your questions :)


Murray :cool:
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artdude
09-26-2006, 11:26 PM
Hi!:D :wave:

Murray, just wanted to say I'm working on my pitcher but don't have enough to post yet, so I will post a partial, tomorrow.

Suzi, you kittens are looking cute!


Look forward to seeing your glass pitcher Mary!! :thumbsup:

THANKS for stepping in Dee! :D



Murray :cool:
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frieda L
09-27-2006, 02:09 PM
Mary, I cannot wait to see what you have done...

I took the tree a step further...I must say I am so surprised it keeps looking better and better - I think-... some more 4b, 6b, kneadable eraser...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Sep-2006/22676-102_lesson_8_008.jpg

I started a new one for this class, one of the references given by Murray...
I printed it out in grayscale but cannot post that... I outlined the leaves fromthe outside with 6b, then went for the darker spots in the flower with 4b, 3b, then b, then hb and h... Is that the idea? I can start over, still...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Sep-2006/22676-102_lesson_8_010.jpg

Murray, thank you, you are a wet canvas hero:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

artdude
09-27-2006, 03:07 PM
Mary, I cannot wait to see what you have done...

I took the tree a step further...I must say I am so surprised it keeps looking better and better - I think-... some more 4b, 6b, kneadable eraser...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Sep-2006/22676-102_lesson_8_008.jpg

I started a new one for this class, one of the references given by Murray...
I printed it out in grayscale but cannot post that... I outlined the leaves fromthe outside with 6b, then went for the darker spots in the flower with 4b, 3b, then b, then hb and h... Is that the idea? I can start over, still...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Sep-2006/22676-102_lesson_8_010.jpg

Murray, thank you, you are a wet canvas hero:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:


WOW!...frieda!...these both look great!
The tree is has a lot more depth in it now! :clap:
Great start with the flowers!
The layering is turning out nicely :thumbsup:
If the layering is working for you then keep going!
This is all about personal prefference, so feel free to
change it up if you want :D



Murray :cool:
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frieda L
09-27-2006, 03:37 PM
A big revelation is that I can knowingly put down some 6b, and then if I want to use some 4b next to it, I know it will be less dark, and a 2b will be lighter still...it is like working with colours, a red pencil will paint red, blue will turn out blue... This is incredible.
I am aware this sound really dumb... you are all going duh... but this was a revelation for me in the last few days...before it had a lot to do with luck, and very sloooolwy building up some darks. Now, with the value scale, and Murrays tips, I can just shoot for the right one right away.
It will still take lots of practise...
frieda

Striver
09-27-2006, 04:20 PM
Heh Frieda, Ive loads of dumb questions, so please state what you find, I think we need the obvious pointed out sometimes, especially on new stuff. Frankly at my age i do not have the time ahead of me me to find out as i go along, so any short cuts simple explained help. And isnt this why this is called the classroom, for learning of course.
Enjoy
Les

cmwynn
09-27-2006, 05:18 PM
Frieda - that is a major jump from the first post. We all know we should go darker but it is hard to do, that is what this lesson is all about.
I am posting the line drawing and now will let it set for a while to see where I need to change anything before going on to shading. I drew it all with a 4B, but had to make it very dark in the scan to show the light lines. It wouldn't show at all if I didn't doctor it at this stage. If you see anything I should correct, please tell me. I can already see that the bottom lip is way out of shape. I was standing a foot or so above him when I took the photo, so lots of hair is showing.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Sep-2006/29839-Th-Line-Drawingxm.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Sep-2006/29839-Thomas-Sep06xm.jpg

artdude
09-27-2006, 06:24 PM
Heh Frieda, Ive loads of dumb questions, so please state what you find, I think we need the obvious pointed out sometimes, especially on new stuff. Frankly at my age i do not have the time ahead of me me to find out as i go along, so any short cuts simple explained help. And isnt this why this is called the classroom, for learning of course.
Enjoy
Les



Les, why don't you post a drawing (& refference pic) and join the class?
We can then go from there.
It can be tough explaining something without it
relating to a drawing that's being worked on.
Think of it as "on the job training" :D:)


Murray :cool:
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artdude
09-27-2006, 06:28 PM
A big revelation is that I can knowingly put down some 6b, and then if I want to use some 4b next to it, I know it will be less dark, and a 2b will be lighter still...it is like working with colours, a red pencil will paint red, blue will turn out blue... This is incredible.
I am aware this sound really dumb... you are all going duh... but this was a revelation for me in the last few days...before it had a lot to do with luck, and very sloooolwy building up some darks. Now, with the value scale, and Murrays tips, I can just shoot for the right one right away.
It will still take lots of practise...
frieda


Happy to hear things are going well with the drawing! :D
You will definitely get better as you go! :thumbsup:



Murray :cool:
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artdude
09-27-2006, 06:38 PM
Frieda - that is a major jump from the first post. We all know we should go darker but it is hard to do, that is what this lesson is all about.
I am posting the line drawing and now will let it set for a while to see where I need to change anything before going on to shading. I drew it all with a 4B, but had to make it very dark in the scan to show the light lines. It wouldn't show at all if I didn't doctor it at this stage. If you see anything I should correct, please tell me. I can already see that the bottom lip is way out of shape. I was standing a foot or so above him when I took the photo, so lots of hair is showing.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Sep-2006/29839-Th-Line-Drawingxm.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Sep-2006/29839-Thomas-Sep06xm.jpg


Connie, I am not much of a portrait person, so hopefully someone with more experience can chime in and give some detailed advice. The only thing I've noticed is that the lines from the right and left cheeks where they meet the chin are off.



Murray :cool:
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frieda L
09-27-2006, 07:10 PM
Don't know, Connie...I like it, but it would be worth having it right on for this class...how about popping it in the portrait forum for some quick feedback on the likeness? They won't mind, it's for a good cause.
frieda

*Deirdre*
09-27-2006, 07:45 PM
Connie...I did notice the eyebrows aren't long enough...but I'll have to look at it properly side by side ...I can't 'see' moving up and down to check!

Have checked now...eyebrows are too narrow...check edge of forehead, Nose a little narrow on our left, mouth a little fuller on our left...otherwise fine!

Murray...here's mine...first attempt anyway!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Sep-2006/33616-9169eggscurved01BW.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Sep-2006/33616-eggs.jpg

Mine's the top one! ( Joke!) :lol: :evil:
OK...it's really the one at the bottom!:wink2:

artdude
09-27-2006, 09:46 PM
Murray...here's mine...first attempt anyway!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Sep-2006/33616-9169eggscurved01BW.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Sep-2006/33616-eggs.jpg

Mine's the top one! ( Joke!) :lol: :evil:
OK...it's really the one at the bottom!:wink2:



Hi Dee..your drawing looks GREAT!! :clap: :thumbsup:
Some of the black areas are grainy, but that's probably from the paper you are using. You could soooth that out a bit with a tortillion. Your mid tones are good. You may want to soften up some of the lines on the eggs where the shadows fall over them as some of those edges are sharp (hard edge). In the refference photo they look a bit softer. How did you shade those areas and what grade of pencils did you use on the drawing?



Murray :cool:
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Striver
09-27-2006, 11:19 PM
Murray, Have a drawing on the way, spent many hours already and not much to show, started shading but so used to one pencil efforts. Seems i have volunteered again to babysit the grandson 7yr old from tomorrow, am told it may!!!! be for a week. So much to do and sabotage all around. Anyway it's 3.17pm and I have some time to myself for the rest of the day, I think. Lets see what happens and Hpefully i can post the start soon.
Cheers
Les

*Deirdre*
09-28-2006, 05:55 AM
Murray...have tried to get rid of most of the dark grainy areas...and attempted to soften the light bands...not very successsful as I had sprayed them with fixative.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Sep-2006/33616-eggs1.jpg

Sumariel
09-28-2006, 10:09 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Sep-2006/82344-Kitties2.jpg

Well, I have been busily attaching fur to these darlings one stroke at a time, hopefully, I will be able to do the little darlings some justice. I really appreciate this class. Thanks, Murray, and thanks, JayD.

One little note, the scan is coming in so black that some of the subtler lights in the fur do not show up, will have to see if I can correct that.
Suzi

artdude
09-28-2006, 10:33 AM
Murray...have tried to get rid of most of the dark grainy areas...and attempted to soften the light bands...not very successsful as I had sprayed them with fixative.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Sep-2006/33616-eggs1.jpg


The darks do look better Dee :thumbsup:
Since you've sprayed the drawing, that does make it more difficult
to work on those midtone areas as they will come in a bit darker
and makes any erasing tough to do. Can you tell us what pencils
you've used in the drawing?



Murray :cool:
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artdude
09-28-2006, 10:42 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Sep-2006/82344-Kitties2.jpg

Well, I have been busily attaching fur to these darlings one stroke at a time, hopefully, I will be able to do the little darlings some justice. I really appreciate this class. Thanks, Murray, and thanks, JayD.

One little note, the scan is coming in so black that some of the subtler lights in the fur do not show up, will have to see if I can correct that.
Suzi


Hi Suzi, this is looking good! :clap: :thumbsup: :clap:
You've got some nice values hapening here.
Good job on the cat hair!
Lighter values showing up in a scan is always a problem,
but I do believe they are there.
Can you let us know what pencil grades you are using?


Murray :cool:
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*Deirdre*
09-28-2006, 11:00 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Sep-2006/33616-doh.gif I knew there was something I forgot!:o
2B, 3H & Ebony ( Like Bon uses!) Probably a 9B...
On Daler Heavyweight Cartridge Paper 220 g/m 8 1/4 x 11 3/4

Africanart
09-28-2006, 11:52 AM
Hi

So here is my first bit of my drawing. Still working on it though. The cloth is mostly done as follows: first layer in b, then 4b, then 8b for the darker areas, some blending with h, the shadow of the egg are b,4b, 1 layer and finished with two layers of 8b. I am working on bristol vellum 9 x 12. The egg is done in b two layers, bit think I should do it rather in hb, will experiment with second egg and see what difference it will give and then decide.

Every one else love your work that is done so far.

Thanks

Mary

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Sep-2006/69011-egg1.jpg

Sumariel
09-28-2006, 12:28 PM
OOOOOPS! Forgot!
Am using mostly the 6B for the darker areas, falling back on my 2B and HB pencils for the lighter areas, I do find that the alternating from the 6B to the 2B does smooth things out. I am still struggling to get a velvety smoothness to show in the darkest areas. Thanks.

Oh, and my paper is Bristol Vellum.
Suzi

artdude
09-28-2006, 01:07 PM
Hi

So here is my first bit of my drawing. Still working on it though. The cloth is mostly done as follows: first layer in b, then 4b, then 8b for the darker areas, some blending with h, the shadow of the egg are b,4b, 1 layer and finished with two layers of 8b. I am working on bristol vellum 9 x 12. The egg is done in b two layers, bit think I should do it rather in hb, will experiment with second egg and see what difference it will give and then decide.

Every one else love your work that is done so far.

Thanks

Mary

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Sep-2006/69011-egg1.jpg


Good start Mary! :clap: :thumbsup:
On the eggs, it's always easier to darken an area than lighten it, so starting
light and adding for more darks is a good way to go.
Look forward to the next update :D:)


Murray :cool:
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artdude
09-28-2006, 01:11 PM
OOOOOPS! Forgot!
Am using mostly the 6B for the darker areas, falling back on my 2B and HB pencils for the lighter areas, I do find that the alternating from the 6B to the 2B does smooth things out. I am still struggling to get a velvety smoothness to show in the darkest areas. Thanks.

Oh, and my paper is Bristol Vellum.
Suzi


Looks like a good combination of pencils that are working for you :thumbsup:
The velvety smoothness shows up in your scan, but may be
different in person.......I still like it :D:)



Murray :cool:
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artdude
09-28-2006, 01:19 PM
Well, here's an update on mine. Didn't do a whole lot of work on it but enough to post :) Darkened background more and worked some shading on the saddle.

Pencils used so far are: 6b, 4b, 2b, 2h on 110lb semi smooth paper. The paper does have some tooth to it, therefore some paper grain is showing. The scan also vaires and is not true to what the values are in person. Hope you like it ;)


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Sep-2006/3698-saddlespur4.jpg





Murray :cool:
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frieda L
09-28-2006, 01:57 PM
wow, Murray, awsome. It looks like you spend many hours on this ... the result is incredible.
Mary, the egg looks very delicate,
Dee, you got the egg texture right on! Very good... this was a hard one.
Suzi, those kitties are coming along nicely.

An update on my flower. After doing it leaf by leaf, I almost feel I lost the flower somewhere in there. It looks off to me. There are some differences in the likeness, the bottom leaf is too wide, I think, but that normally doesn't bother me all that much. I really don't know what it is... but I guess I am not finished.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Sep-2006/22676-102_lesson_8_011.jpg

I did learn to use the kneadable eraser, such fun. I was unhappy with one of the centre leaves, and was able to just lift it out, and got left with a nice clean space... as if I had never put it there in the first place. wow!
another "duh" moment.
frieda

frieda L
09-28-2006, 01:57 PM
so sorry... doubleposted

artdude
09-28-2006, 03:17 PM
wow, Murray, awsome. It looks like you spend many hours on this ... the result is incredible.
Mary, the egg looks very delicate,
Dee, you got the egg texture right on! Very good... this was a hard one.
Suzi, those kitties are coming along nicely.

An update on my flower. After doing it leaf by leaf, I almost feel I lost the flower somewhere in there. It looks off to me. There are some differences in the likeness, the bottom leaf is too wide, I think, but that normally doesn't bother me all that much. I really don't know what it is... but I guess I am not finished.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Sep-2006/22676-102_lesson_8_011.jpg

I did learn to use the kneadable eraser, such fun. I was unhappy with one of the centre leaves, and was able to just lift it out, and got left with a nice clean space... as if I had never put it there in the first place. wow!
another "duh" moment.
frieda

Frieda, are you using white paper? I ask because your scan is fairly dark and that makes it hard to see a lot of detail. You may want to also post a bigger scan of your drawing. You can make it 500-600 pxls wide. If you crop the scan closer to the fower you can get a bigger image at 500-600 wide. If you could post a brighter image of the flower that would be great! :D

I've cropped your drawing and put a black background on it. I know that you will not be able to get the background this black but wanted to give you an idea of what the flower would look like if the background was darker. The darker you make the background the more the flower will show up. Keep in mind that you need dark to show light and light to show dark.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Sep-2006/3698-freidaflower1.jpg




Murray :cool:
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frieda L
09-28-2006, 04:26 PM
thanks Murray, I like the black background.
I discovered I actually do have some basic editing software in this computer, so I managed to crop, size, and brighten. Not very subtle, push the brighten button, there you go, and push it again, and it is back to how it was. Is it any better, you think?
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Sep-2006/22676-102_lesson_8_019.jpg

Striver
09-28-2006, 04:32 PM
Morning all on a Sat at 8.21, bright sunny and warm, WOW
Just scanned my efforts to date, ,more hours than I care to admit, yup need more dark but finding my way. Found I was getting a cherry Blossom black finish so blue tacked it back. 23456B H HB 2H todate. Not happy with the blankness will hopefully change. Found that what I thought was Buds were leaves LOL :eek:
Only tackling one third at first. Posted B/W also color photo. It was looking at the color I realised the leaves not buds. Now when did I have that Lobotomy?
If it's too bad I can go on holiday if not will burn the midnight oil when the boy is asleep.
Cheers
Les

Striver
09-28-2006, 04:37 PM
Frieda, sure is, looking good to date from down under.
Les

artdude
09-28-2006, 06:36 PM
Morning all on a Sat at 8.21, bright sunny and warm, WOW
Just scanned my efforts to date, ,more hours than I care to admit, yup need more dark but finding my way. Found I was getting a cherry Blossom black finish so blue tacked it back. 23456B H HB 2H todate. Not happy with the blankness will hopefully change. Found that what I thought was Buds were leaves LOL :eek:
Only tackling one third at first. Posted B/W also color photo. It was looking at the color I realised the leaves not buds. Now when did I have that Lobotomy?
If it's too bad I can go on holiday if not will burn the midnight oil when the boy is asleep.
Cheers
Les


This is a good start Les! :clap: :thumbsup:
What do you mean when you say you were getting cherry blossom black?
23456B does this mean 2b,3b,4b,5b,6b??
There is a lot happening in this as far as background goes so it will take
some time. Remember, you do have artistic licence here and the drawing
does not have to be exactly like the refference pic :D:)



Murray :cool:
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artdude
09-28-2006, 06:43 PM
thanks Murray, I like the black background.
I discovered I actually do have some basic editing software in this computer, so I managed to crop, size, and brighten. Not very subtle, push the brighten button, there you go, and push it again, and it is back to how it was. Is it any better, you think?
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Sep-2006/22676-102_lesson_8_019.jpg


Yes, this is a much beter scan! :D
What don't you like about the flower?
If you want to soften it up a bit, use a tortillion to smooth
out any pencil lines or to even out some shadows on the petals.
Remember, that if you over shade and area you can always lift that
out with a kneadable eraser! :)



Murray :cool:
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frieda L
09-28-2006, 07:14 PM
What don't you like about the flower?
If you want to soften it up a bit, use a tortillion to smooth
out any pencil lines or to even out some shadows on the petals.

I like the flower a lot, at this point. :lol: I spent some time going over details, cleaning things up, finishing and adjusting little details... and the black background was magic. It brought the flower "together".
Smoothening out some sounds like a good next step... I think I need to go to the States to buy a tortillion, would Q-tip work?:rolleyes:
thanks you, Murray, you're an :angel:
frieda

Judi1957
09-28-2006, 07:28 PM
Hey All:wave:

Looks like everyone is doing wonderful!
I haven't been able to work on this much lately but should be able to finish tonight or tomorrow and give a final once over. Sometimes I swear the graphite 'falls off' as it seems lighter the next time I look at it :eek: Must be bad judgment when it is late. :lol:

Murray-I started this off as just goofing around actually so I can't do much of the upper bg as I didn't plan it's location on the paper, but will get on here as much as fits.

Striver
09-28-2006, 07:35 PM
Hi Murray, yes, am just lazy with the B.
Re background, will go by any recomendations of your good self

drawingfun
09-28-2006, 07:59 PM
Hi Murray and everybody , those drawings are really awesome. If it is possible I would like to join the class, I have been working on my drawing but couldn't post it yet. I will post the tree that Freida posted first since you also made a comment that more shadows were needed. I worked a little bit more on it but because it was already sprayed with fixative I couldn't highlighted a little bit more. Also working on the flower since I thought it was the easiest one but it wasn't . I will take a picture tomorrow and post my drawings. I have a hard time with the pencils when everything messes up and my hands get all black from the pencil,trying to put a paper on it so it won't look that messy,thanks , Lidia

Striver
09-28-2006, 08:25 PM
Cherry Blossom
A black boot polish that gives a good shine. My blacks were getting a good gloss on them although not thro and thro.
The boy has arrived and taken me over, ta ta.
Les

Sumariel
09-28-2006, 11:17 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Sep-2006/82344-Kitties3.jpg

Well, they at least look like kittens, any reccomendations?

BTW, I am in love with that Iris. That is doing beautifully. Looking forward to seeing Les' done, and have looked at all those eggs, am bracing myself to start on them myself, (feeling like a glutton for punishment, I am.) Murray, yours looks fantastic, and it is obvious why you are the teacher!!!

Suzi

Striver
09-28-2006, 11:30 PM
Hi Suzi, just got back from the first endurance test with 7yr old, a bike ride phew. Dont know much about impress lines, whiskers hair etc, but wonder if they could work with the kittens, what say the Boss man?
Looking good for sure, "meow"
Enjoy, sit down required this end.
Les

artdude
09-28-2006, 11:31 PM
I like the flower a lot, at this point. :lol: I spent some time going over details, cleaning things up, finishing and adjusting little details... and the black background was magic. It brought the flower "together".
Smoothening out some sounds like a good next step... I think I need to go to the States to buy a tortillion, would Q-tip work?:rolleyes:
thanks you, Murray, you're an :angel:
frieda


Isn't it nice discovering new things! :D
A Q-Tip would work but make sure it's not coated with anything
and don't press too hard as you don't want the stick end coming
though and scratching your work!

Your work is looking GREAT!! :thumbsup:



Murray :cool:
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artdude
09-28-2006, 11:35 PM
Hey All:wave:

Looks like everyone is doing wonderful!
I haven't been able to work on this much lately but should be able to finish tonight or tomorrow and give a final once over. Sometimes I swear the graphite 'falls off' as it seems lighter the next time I look at it :eek: Must be bad judgment when it is late. :lol:

Murray-I started this off as just goofing around actually so I can't do much of the upper bg as I didn't plan it's location on the paper, but will get on here as much as fits.


This looks GREAT Judi!:thumbsup: :clap:
Love the folds and creases in the bag!
Not much to critique here :D

The scan looks a bit fuzzy to me, so it's hard to see any good details :(


Murray :cool:
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artdude
09-28-2006, 11:43 PM
Hi Murray, yes, am just lazy with the B.
Re background, will go by any recomendations of your good self

Cherry Blossom
A black boot polish that gives a good shine. My blacks were getting a good gloss on them although not thro and thro.
The boy has arrived and taken me over, ta ta.
Les




Hi Les. The background won't need any great detail as the flowers and leaves in the foreground should take center stage in your drawing. So I would work on that and then tweek the background a bit. The gloss from the dark graphite will subside a bit after your spray the finished drawing with fixative...it won't totally take it away but should dull it up some and also make those darks look a bit darker also.




Murray :cool:
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artdude
09-28-2006, 11:45 PM
Hi Murray and everybody , those drawings are really awesome. If it is possible I would like to join the class, I have been working on my drawing but couldn't post it yet. I will post the tree that Freida posted first since you also made a comment that more shadows were needed. I worked a little bit more on it but because it was already sprayed with fixative I couldn't highlighted a little bit more. Also working on the flower since I thought it was the easiest one but it wasn't . I will take a picture tomorrow and post my drawings. I have a hard time with the pencils when everything messes up and my hands get all black from the pencil,trying to put a paper on it so it won't look that messy,thanks , Lidia


Hi Lidia...by all means jump in when you can! :D
Look forward to seeing your tree and flower! :)



Murray :cool:
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Sumariel
09-28-2006, 11:47 PM
Thanks Les, will look into that!!!! Hope you are doing well with the youngster, kids can be a challenge!

artdude
09-28-2006, 11:52 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Sep-2006/82344-Kitties3.jpg

Well, they at least look like kittens, any reccomendations?

BTW, I am in love with that Iris. That is doing beautifully. Looking forward to seeing Les' done, and have looked at all those eggs, am bracing myself to start on them myself, (feeling like a glutton for punishment, I am.) Murray, yours looks fantastic, and it is obvious why you are the teacher!!!

Suzi


Suzi...this is coming along GREAT!! :clap: :thumbsup: :clap:
they look soft and fuzzy!!...so CUTE!!! :cat: :cat:
I say you work on it until you feel your finished and then
we will look at it again to talk about any potential changes :)


Hi Suzi, just got back from the first endurance test with 7yr old, a bike ride phew. Dont know much about impress lines, whiskers hair etc, but wonder if they could work with the kittens, what say the Boss man?
Looking good for sure, "meow"
Enjoy, sit down required this end.
Les


Good way to keep in shape Les!! ;)
The impressed lines are a good idea, but they should
be done before a lot of shading is applied that way the graphite
would just skip over them. I haven't tried this method myself but
I know JD Hillberry uses it.



Murray :cool:
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Sumariel
09-28-2006, 11:58 PM
So the whiskers should have been "impressed" before I started. Dang! I was also thinking about the possibility of putting the color in the ears and eyes, does that do well with graphite work?
Thanks,
Suzi

Striver
09-29-2006, 02:44 AM
There you are Suzi, we are learning as we go. Cut some lino for his tree house floor and now have just finished building a cardboard Aircraft carrier and planes, nearly time for bed and now the wife wants attention! It's all go.
See you later
Les

*Deirdre*
09-29-2006, 05:02 AM
Suzi....I find it easier to check what's needed in the final drawing to look at it alongside the original...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Sep-2006/33616-kittycheck.jpg

Sumariel
09-29-2006, 07:04 AM
It certainly does help, doesn't it? Thanks Dee, are they recognizable? I will be working on some of those areas this afternoon, this morning I am helping my Master's student with her research paper. Fun, fun, fun!!
Suzi

Mary Woodul
09-29-2006, 07:07 AM
Dee, very nice work on the eggs, but then your's always is good.:p

Judi, wonderful work, as usual

Mary, you are doing a nice job on those, too.

Connie, nice line drawing and very cute model!

Frieda, your Iris looks stunning on that black background, Murray has put it on. Lovely, lacy feel to it.

Les, nice image and the drawingis coming along good also.

Suzi, the softness of your rendering is very good and think you have done marvelous with those blacks.

Murray, I think I have my life back today, so I will post this evening.;)

Sumariel
09-29-2006, 07:15 AM
Thanks Mary! The kitties have been fun, even if black fur is a challenge! I am looking forward to having a handle on this, as my own companion of 18 years was a red/black cat. She was a beauty named Silky, one of these days I hope to do a portrait of her from photos I have kept.
Suzi

frieda L
09-29-2006, 12:58 PM
Judi, that is a wonderful piece, you certainly have those values down.
Suzie, ,my son ,11, stopped in his tracks when I had your kittens on the screen, and he looked them over very carefully ... he says they are "really very good"
Les, cannot wait for an update, challenging piece, looking good
Murray, good morning in Alberta, thanks for sharing your virtual self with us.
frieda

Sumariel
09-29-2006, 01:25 PM
Oh my, thank him for me!

drawingfun
09-29-2006, 06:16 PM
Hi everybody, finally could take a picture of my value scale , tree and the flower that I am just starting, please C&C thanks, Lidia

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Sep-2006/87248-IMG_0250_edited.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Sep-2006/87248-IMG_0243_edited.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Sep-2006/87248-IMG_0245_edited.jpg

cmwynn
09-29-2006, 06:45 PM
I am at the point of being totally frustrated. I have spent much too much time on this. I can see very well that I have missed the look altogether but can't see where. Each piece looks okay, but doesn't hang together. I have used HB and 2B layering for face, 4B and 8B for hair. The skin is blotchy, maybe from the paper, Bienfang heavyweight.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Sep-2006/29839-Th-2xm.jpg

*Deirdre*
09-29-2006, 07:14 PM
Connie - you really are close! I've done some lines to help you see the tiny differences....
The little boys head is slightly tilted to one side...which can make all the difference...did you tilt him in the scanner?
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Sep-2006/33616-29839-Th-2xmdp.jpg
Otherwise the tops of the eyes should be a little flatter, the our left eyebrow a little longer, less of a gap between the lips...That's all I can see...but I'm a bit tired and maybe not as alert as I shopuld be!:wink2:

artdude
09-29-2006, 08:25 PM
Hi everybody, finally could take a picture of my value scale , tree and the flower that I am just starting, please C&C thanks, Lidia

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Sep-2006/87248-IMG_0250_edited.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Sep-2006/87248-IMG_0243_edited.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Sep-2006/87248-IMG_0245_edited.jpg


Hi Lidia, good job on all three!!:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

When doing your value scale try and use a full pencil stroke to the edge of each box. You can see where the the pencil strokes meet each other and where they overlap that area is darker.

I like the tree but would like to see some darker marks in the tree bark. The tree limb that starts at the bottom and goes to the upper right has some nice dark detail in it, just do a bit more of that with the rest of the tree. Refer to your refference pic to see where.

Good start to the dark background of the flower! KEEP GOING!! :thumbsup:


On another note to everyone....Scanning and photographing your art will change some of the values in your art, making it hard to pinpoint some areas that may need correcting/changing. So, you will have to be the final judge of that as you have the art work in front of you and I do not. In the end, as long as you're happy with it, then so am I :D:)


Murray :cool:
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artdude
09-29-2006, 08:30 PM
I am at the point of being totally frustrated. I have spent much too much time on this. I can see very well that I have missed the look altogether but can't see where. Each piece looks okay, but doesn't hang together. I have used HB and 2B layering for face, 4B and 8B for hair. The skin is blotchy, maybe from the paper, Bienfang heavyweight.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Sep-2006/29839-Th-2xm.jpg


Connie...some good advice from Dee! :thumbsup:
Nice to know there's someone around who knows a bit more about portraits ;)
I do like how you've done the hair! Some good directional shading and highlights! :clap: From your scan, the facial shading look ok to me :)



Murray :cool:
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drawingfun
09-29-2006, 08:45 PM
Murray thanks for your comments, I will work a little bit more on the tree, I like it better now that has more shades. I am working on my flower now and I am fascinated on how the different numbers of pencils work. All this time I had those pencils and didn't know how to use them so I was only using my daughter's #2 hb pencil trying to achieve all those different shades and of course it was frustating. Thanks a lot
Dee I like your portrait a lot, I am not an expert by any case but Connie gave you really good advise, don't get frustrated . I feel like that sometimes and what I do is just let my drawing or painting rest for a while and when I am recharged then work on it again. Lidia

Mary Woodul
09-29-2006, 08:50 PM
Murray this really needs a long way to go and now that I have scanned I see I have to work on the real darks because I think I just have midtones.

Lidia, nice soft shading in your's.

Connie, I agree with Dee, you are so close, the likeness is there.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Sep-2006/43096-102-8-1.jpg

Derwent 2B, 4B and H on Strathmore Drawing.

drawingfun
09-29-2006, 10:18 PM
Mary the only thing I can say is WOW! really beautiful, Lidia

Sumariel
09-30-2006, 12:05 AM
Haven't worked much today on the kittens, a friend is up whose bday we celebrate tomorrow, (the tawny owl), and have been a bit busy.

Mary, I am awed by your work on the glass pic, lovely!

Lidia, those are nice and soft, as has been said, I am going to like that Iris, of that I am sure.

Connie, that is a handsome child, and you have the likeness! Once the nits are out of the pic, you're going to treasure that. You do so well. It will all look good!!!
Suzi

P.S. Did I mention Kenny? Probably not, he's too busy with candles to work on his eggs, and oh, yeah, Dee, I like your eggs, candies or not. Did I leave anyone out? I hope not. Sorry, it was unintentional if I did.
S.

artdude
09-30-2006, 10:35 AM
Murray this really needs a long way to go and now that I have scanned I see I have to work on the real darks because I think I just have midtones. Derwent 2B, 4B and H on Strathmore Drawing.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Sep-2006/43096-102-8-1.jpg




Hi Mary. Yup...needs more work on the darks ;)
Just wait until you get over to the right side, then you'll really be in the dark! :cat:
GREAT START!!! :clap: :thumbsup: :clap:



Murray :cool:
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frieda L
09-30-2006, 11:47 AM
Hey Lidia, you will have so much fun seeing that tree come alive!!! Nice start on the flower

Connie, don't give up, I agree with Dee, you really are close, I have not reached the "portrait level" although I cannot wait for that... sooo do NOT go by my observations without second opinion. With Dees lines on the portrait, i think the chin, our left side, the flat part goes a little too far out.
if you shortened that part, as short as the other side, or should it be even a little shorter, and then going up the left cheek, shave off a little bit of cheek until you reach the point where Dees bottom horizontal line crosses the cheek...
Also, what I think is so cute in the ref, is our left side eyebrow, it goes up, and then down...
keep at it, and suddenly he will be right.
Mary...this is a MIP, Masterpiece In Progress

now, what shall I do next...
frieda

Mary Woodul
09-30-2006, 12:47 PM
Thank you, Lidia and Suzi!:)

Frieda, thank you, I'm looking forward to seeeing another one from you that I know will be excellent.:thumbsup:


Murray, thank you! You can tell by the beginning of this that I am afraid of the dark.:eek: :p Promise I will overcome it!;)

Judi1957
09-30-2006, 01:07 PM
Dee your eggs are fantastic! Great show of the sunshine!:clap: :clap:

Mary-your eggs are coming along wonderfully!:clap:

Murray-http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Sep-2006/37258-61349-worthy.gif You be the ever so :cool: Dude! :wink2:

Freida-Wonderful! :clap: To get a really black bg try drawing teeny-tiney circles.

Hi Lidia!:wave: Welcome!!!!:clap: :thumbsup: Your drawings look wonderful-and you have chosed JayD's tree!

Les-Love your choice of references-you will be needing to frame this for the missus I think!:clap:

Suzi-I am not a cat fan-but of yours I am-you really got those darks working for you gf.:clap:

Connie-Is that one of your gorgeous grandchilden? I agree w/ Dee - keep going-this is so marvelous- liove the work you are doing on his hair!!:clap:

Mary!-Wow-I'll go along with Frieda-this is a MIP!!!!!:clap: :clap:

Was ready to take a pic and the batter is dead. I'll post in an hour or so.

frieda L
09-30-2006, 02:18 PM
Connie, :wave: how about the (our) top left corner of his hair. All in all, the hair is a success, :thumbsup: but maybe the top left part is too square. I looked at it, covering up some, and it makes him look younger... Maybe? (Can you tell I just discovered the magic of the kneadable eraser... make me stop!!!)
frieda

Judi1957
09-30-2006, 02:32 PM
Battery is charged and hope this is a lil less fuzzy of a photo. :(

Final C & C please.

frieda L
09-30-2006, 03:15 PM
:wave: Judi, I love it.:clap: :clap: leathery, folds, darks, lights,...
mystery...is it a hikers day-pack, with the walking stick ?
frieda

Judi1957
09-30-2006, 05:42 PM
Thanks Frieda:wave:

Well- it is old army canvas :o bag and not sure about the stick-'cept it is a stick:D.
It is a pic from Mike Sibleys book (http://www.sibleyfineart.com/)-which is a MUST have. I think of all the books I have-maybe a dozen plus-this book is TOPS!:clap: :clap: :clap: Worth every bit.

Mary Woodul
09-30-2006, 06:51 PM
Judi, this says a lot and you have rendered it so well. I love it!:clap: :clap: :clap:

drawingfun
09-30-2006, 08:12 PM
Judy that is such a beautiful bag, I love it, Lidia
By the way thanks everybody for their comments, this classes are really fun and they motivate me to practice,Lidia

Mary Woodul
09-30-2006, 11:21 PM
This is a small update before getting into the darks and going over the one's there already.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Sep-2006/43096-102-8-3.jpg

artdude
10-01-2006, 02:11 AM
Battery is charged and hope this is a lil less fuzzy of a photo. :(

Final C & C please.

Hi Judi :wave:
What can I say?
A good range of values in this :D
You've done a WONDERFUL job with this!
I think it's ready for a signature and frame now! :thumbsup: :clap: :thumbsup:





Murray :cool:
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katsarecool
10-01-2006, 02:14 AM
This is a small update before getting into the darks and going over the one's there already.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Sep-2006/43096-102-8-3.jpg

I am speechless! :clap: & :thumbsup: !!!!!!!!!!!!

artdude
10-01-2006, 02:14 AM
This is a small update before getting into the darks and going over the one's there already.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Sep-2006/43096-102-8-3.jpg


Hi Mary :wave:
the update looks GREAT!
Good job on putting those darks in! :thumbsup:
The drawing has a lot more punch to it now :clap:

Are you using the same pencils as before or have you
gone to a softer lead for your added darks?



Murray :cool:
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kennychaffin
10-01-2006, 06:56 AM
Hey, just wanted to say Great Stuff Going on here everyone!
:clap::clap::clap:
KAC

Mary Woodul
10-01-2006, 09:36 AM
Nancy, thank you for your kind comment.

Murray, sorry, I forgot.:o Yes I added 7B and 9B but still have to layer with those. Thank you for the comment. I will try to get much more done for this evening.;)

Kenny, you should jump in, you are not are not afraid of the dark.:lol: ;)

Judi1957
10-01-2006, 10:36 AM
Ty Murray, Lidia and Mary. :)

Hey Kenny-join us please :thumbsup:

Mary!!!!!!

That is a FABULOUS piece!!:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
I am on the edge of my seat!
You have inspired me to try glass now.
May try this one-not sure.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Oct-2006/37258-crystalinkwell_grey.jpg
or this rose. Still debating.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Oct-2006/37258-rose_grey.jpg
I like them both.

drawingfun
10-01-2006, 01:52 PM
Mary,drawing is looking great
Here is an update of my flower, I used 8b for background, 2h, 2b 4b for values, please C&C, Lidia

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Oct-2006/87248-IMG_0256_edited.jpg

Striver
10-01-2006, 04:54 PM
Just to show I am trying to keep up, major distractions around until tomorrow. Have burned the candle overnight and made some progress. So here tis just let you know i am still about.
Hi Kenny, be good to see you taking part, have appreciated your work to date.
Now I have the Wife, the boy and the cat here.
Ta Ta
Les

Sumariel
10-01-2006, 04:56 PM
Mary, those glass pitchers are looking GREAT.

Lidia, I love the flower, knew I would.

As far as I can tell, and working on my own, I would consider this done, so now I need objective eyes to speak about what needs changed or worked on, please.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Oct-2006/82344-kitties3.jpg

Les, it looks grainey on my monitor, and I suspect that's either the scan or the pixels from reduction. As far as I can tell, it looks good.

drawingfun
10-01-2006, 07:06 PM
Les I like your drawing a lot, I am sure those flower will look great when finished.
Suzy , thanks for your comment , your kitties look so cute,great work, Lidia

Judi1957
10-01-2006, 07:17 PM
Les-That is looking great-keep on layering!:clap: :clap:
Suzi-Love the kitties! :clap: :clap:
I think the fur is looking so smooth and silky in some places. I think the rear side of the reclining kitty could use some of that. I think if you look back at Dee's post (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5002013&postcount=99)you will see some more areas that need some more layering for a darker tone.

Lidia-Looks great! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: I think the bg could use some smoothing. Perhaps some teeny-tiney circles would help there or try going in the opposite direction with your pencil

Posting stage 1 of the rose-backed out on the glass for now-but hopefully will get to that Tuesday or so. Still a long way to go to get those darks here.:eek: This is on Canson 80lb paper I got as a sample in a Blick catalog. Progresso woodless again-using the 6B so far.

Sumariel
10-01-2006, 07:41 PM
I agree, I have not gone as dark as Dee's original photo, but I am wondering if there is a point where, if I go that dark, I will just have a pile of fur?

Africanart
10-01-2006, 07:47 PM
Hi Guy's

Here is my final .... however let me first say there is some very nice pieces in here...Mary that glass vases cool stuff.....:thumbsup:

The shading on the eggs is a bit darker in real life then on the scanned image...

Thanks

Mary

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Oct-2006/69011-eggsfinal.jpg

Mary Woodul
10-01-2006, 09:20 PM
Judi, thank you! I love the start of your rose.

Suzi, your kittens have such a great translucency at the tip of the hairs. It is a very good visual effect.

Les, those look like very nice darks in there!

Lidia, thank you! I love your Iris!

Mary, that was quite a difficult reference and I think you did a good job on it. Thanks, also!

Here is another small update before going deeper into the darks and going over all of the darks.

2B, 4B, 7B and 9B on Strathmore Drawing.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Oct-2006/43096-102-8-4.jpg

Judi1957
10-01-2006, 10:10 PM
Hi Suzi-the darks and values I was refering to in particular are inside the ears to give more depth there and above the nose of the one sitting up. I think your drawing is wonderful!:clap:

MaryA-lovely! :clap:
LOL-we all know about those scans!:D

Mary-ty. Now THAT is glass!:clap: :thumbsup: :eek:

Here is my second post of the rose and I see here I still do not have the darks I want. :( but I'll be back with more darks:evil: :lol:

Sumariel
10-01-2006, 10:23 PM
Just checked, hadn't seen that, you are right, that's why it helps to have other eyes to see what we've done and haven't done! Thanks, Judi!

And thank you, Mary, I absolutely adore cats, have posted a few pics of my new companion in my gallery, I have renamed him Siddhartha, as he was called Indy for the first five years of his life, wouldn't answer to his name, and is not even remotely an adventurer.
Suzi

Mary Woodul
10-02-2006, 06:57 AM
Judi, the rose is coming alive nicely. I like your different values in the dark.

frieda L
10-02-2006, 04:38 PM
It seems quiet around here, today... would be fun if we could do only that...
Murray, hi, good monday...
judi, lovely rose you found...it will be exquisite...
mary, the glassblower, just awesome.
Suzi, the kittens look lovely, don't see anything wrong with them...
Les, looks like a big job, turning out nicely...looks like negative drawing... will have to read up on that class.
Lidia, I love that flower, looking very good. How's the tree coming along?
Mary, those eggs were very hard, good job!
Connie, where is that cutie of yours...have you made piece with it yet?You must have, you're so close.

I started doing the statue, of Murrays recommendations...but I suddenly realized it was a human figure, and got stressed, I guess. At some point, it looked like a modern woman, I should have kept that, but trying to fix it, I lost even that quick glimpse... now it's just pure ugly. My beginners luck is running out... Just kidding,... I will wait with this one, until I start focusing on human body classes. So nothing for today, but still learning lots from rereading this thread over and over...
frieda

drawingfun
10-02-2006, 05:33 PM
Hi,Frieda, I worked on my tree a little bit more like Murray said, I have to work on the background of the Iris, like Judy suggested.I will post it tomorrow since it is too dark now to take some picture,take care everybody. Lidia

Striver
10-02-2006, 06:22 PM
Hi all, feeling bushed with the boy around however have lost him for the day then back he comes until Sun night, so not much time for this. So tired at night time, still today i have a few hours and am fitting some time to try to advance my work. Oh why did i pick this one, will post progree if any later, already had three attempts and erased at one part. Torrential rain at the moment and chilly with it.. Frieda, just keep plodding along, it's all a learning curve as long as you enjoy and at this stage dont get too serious with disappointments. Only a piece of paper and pencil so what's the big deal, you can only improve when learning from mistakes. Go for it.
Time to sharpen me pencil and go for it.
Ta Ta
Les

frieda L
10-02-2006, 07:50 PM
Hey Les, thanks,
at this stage dont get too serious with disappointments
I did not mean to sound discouraged, I am really not... it's just... I am not ready for figures. Until I get to the figure class, in 101, I will wait... while sketching as many people on the beach as I dare... after I fill a page, my children figure out who I drew... that's the skinny guy, that's the lady with the striped bikini, the fat lady sitting over there with the little dog... as long as they recognize some of them, I am happy.
I may still try the statue... maybe tomorrow...just too hot today, sweat dripping hot. Send some of that rain, please?
frieda
Your piece is coming along nicely, you did pick a challenge.
frieda

Sumariel
10-02-2006, 09:47 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Oct-2006/82344-kitties4.jpg

Took a look at the things Judi mentioned, and made some adjustments, see if I got this better, and let me know, OK?

Judi1957
10-03-2006, 12:21 PM
Suzi! :cool::cat: :cat: 's :clap: :D

Sumariel
10-03-2006, 12:29 PM
Thank you, Judi, I love your rose! Almost got the wrong one, thinking you were doing the glass pitchers, phew! I can't think today. Maybe I'd better go take a nap!

Mary Woodul
10-03-2006, 01:20 PM
Suzi, these kittens are divine and your dark is really dark. Very nice work!

Sumariel
10-03-2006, 03:37 PM
Thank you, Mary, I started to tell Judi I was in awe of her glass pitchers, but that is your work, I believe, and I stand in awe nevertheless!!!!!

cmwynn
10-03-2006, 04:47 PM
I did put this aside for a few days, but have tried to put to use all the suggestions I have received. It still isn't quite there, but better. This is a photo rather than a scan so there is a better gradation from light to dark in the skin. Reproducing the drawing is almost as difficult as the drawing itself. By the way, Mary, this isn't one of grandchilren, he is the only ONE! and gets that much attention, too.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Oct-2006/29839-Portxm.jpg

*Deirdre*
10-03-2006, 04:59 PM
It certainly IS better Connie! Well done! I don't know why I didn't notice before but the eyes now look a little small. He has such gorgeous large eyes too!:o The skin tones are very good, the eyebrows great, the nose fine...the mouth looks just a tad down on our right. Overall though it's a fine portrait!:clap: :thumbsup: :clap:

Judi1957
10-03-2006, 06:16 PM
Lol- Suzi-I wish Mary's glass was mine!

Connie-You are near there!:clap: Hope you have a place to hang him!

Posting a lil more-still need layers of dark and to subdue the bg stems in the rear upper right as well. Maybe I'll get it done tonight.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Oct-2006/37258-23460-smiley_tap_foot.gif :lol:

Mary Woodul
10-03-2006, 06:25 PM
Connie, I think you've done a great job.

Judi, It is really looking good. Roses are so hard to draw and you are making the white look like a gorgeous white rose.

drawingfun
10-03-2006, 08:11 PM
Connie, your portrait is looking really good , I specially like the tone of the skin.
Judi, what a beautiful rose.
Well ,here is my update on the tree and flower, C&C really appreciated.Lidia

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Oct-2006/87248-IMG_0259_edited.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Oct-2006/87248-IMG_0261_edited.jpg

Mary Woodul
10-04-2006, 07:36 AM
Lidia those are looking good. I don't know if it is the picture but the tree I think can use a little more contrast in the values. I love the dilicacy of your Iris.

drawingfun
10-04-2006, 01:32 PM
Thanks Mary. I don't know about the tree, I think it might be the picture but I will take a look at it again and see. Lidia

frieda L
10-05-2006, 01:44 PM
Judi, that rose is very powerful. I find it a very hard subject, because it easily turns kitschy ... This one is great, fine art.:clap: :clap:
Connie, you got him.:thumbsup: I agree with Dee for the eyes, other than that...you're there.
Mary... you are keeping us on the edge of our seats...
Lidia, good job on the tree makeover, and the flower is really taking shape.:thumbsup:
Les,... looking forward to an update...
Murray, :heart: :heart: :wave: :heart:

after all the whining about the statue, :rolleyes: and deciding I could not do it, I redid it anyway, just for the record. I decided that it was a statue after all, and I could easily cut off any parts...:evil:, she got decapitated a few times, and her left arm got chopped off countless times. I drew it mostly upside down...
I fiddled with it for 2 days, if any mistakes jump out...(there are bound to be...) I would love to fix them.
Also,I do not know whether I've captured her "dark side" enough.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Oct-2006/22676-102_lesson_8_023.jpg
frieda

Striver
10-05-2006, 01:55 PM
Chaos rules, kids here, perhaps later. Suppose I could drug them:eek: Nuh, enjoy them too much :D
See you sometime later whenever
Les
Oh Fieda, you will be a hit at the life class
L

Mary Woodul
10-05-2006, 02:09 PM
Frieda, this is very nicely done. I love your work on the draping of the clothing.

I have gotten a little behind but hope to catch up today and post tomorrow.

frieda L
10-05-2006, 02:37 PM
Suppose I could drug them
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh Frieda, you will be a hit at the life class
:eek: :eek: you should see my life sketches :lol: :lol:
thank you, though, Les, for the vote of confidence:lol: :lol:

Mary, thanks for looking...

Judi1957
10-05-2006, 07:33 PM
Hey All-:wave:

Lidia-Looking wonderful :clap: and I think you need some more darks-but also am wondering if you have a lot of glare that is washing your images out here.:confused:

Les-so glad you are enjoying them! :clap:

Frieda-ty! I see you have reattached all the limbs on her and she is looking great!:clap: I am thinking some more darks. But seeing a ref would help if you can show us. The key here I think would be more subtle transitions of values.


I have been smoothing out all the grainy work that the 4B and 6B seemed to have left. I have been going over it with a torquoise B pencil and am liking the change. Thought I would be done Tuesday but I am a snail.:lol: At least I am happy with some of the dark areas so far.

artdude
10-05-2006, 10:04 PM
Nice to see people working on those DARKS!! :thumbsup:

Sorry I haven't been around lately and I meant to post this a few days ago....
I am REALLY busy with work this month so my time here is quite limited :(
I will try and catch up on everyone's work over the weekend :)




Murray :cool:
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Mary Woodul
10-05-2006, 10:17 PM
Judi, you did get the darks. It is looking awesome now. I am in the draks with mine but I still have to layer once more before posting.

Hi Murray:wave: Take care!

frieda L
10-06-2006, 01:09 PM
Judi !!!, you've got a beautiful rose unfolding...

I got mine to what I would call finished... (I expect I am not,

frieda L
10-06-2006, 01:24 PM
Judi!!!, lovely, to see your rose slowly opening up...

I got mine to the point I would call it finished...(I expect it's not, though...?)
I played with a Q-tip, the kneadable eraser, and a few more hours cleaning up details... If she needs to succomb to the fate of many sculptures throughout history, and be decapitated or loose a hand or a nose...I am willing. :evil: I am glad I tried it again...
As far as darks go... the picture is not totally true... but close, I guess.
thanks for all crits, as always.
frieda
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Oct-2006/22676-wc_version_of_26.jpg
:confused: :( ...picture turned out quite grainy...it is not that way in real life, or... is it? If it is, I had not noticed. Now I wonder.
almost forgot the reference...http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Oct-2006/22676-102_lesson_8_ref2.jpg

drawingfun
10-06-2006, 05:31 PM
Frieda, your statue looks gorgeous , I specially like the dress.
Judy , thanks for your comments, are you referring to my flower or my tree? I don't know if the pictures are the ones that are washing the colors or not but certainly I want your advise so I can work a little bit more on them.LIdia

Mary Woodul
10-07-2006, 06:33 PM
Frieda, the work on the statue looks great. Lovely movement on the gown.

I still have to work on the dark, it has gotten too scratchy and glossy.
9B, and 6B.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Oct-2006/43096-102-8-5.jpg

kennychaffin
10-07-2006, 06:36 PM
Wow! Great Glass Mary, and your statue looks wonderful Frieda! Are you going to do the black background?

KAC

Mary Woodul
10-07-2006, 06:40 PM
Thank you, Kenny!

drawingfun
10-07-2006, 06:41 PM
Mary ,that glass is so pretty,Lidia

Sumariel
10-08-2006, 12:35 AM
Mary, that glass is breathtaking!
Suzi

Mary Woodul
10-08-2006, 08:25 AM
Thank you Lidia and Suzi, I still have to work those darks.:eek:

MICHA
10-08-2006, 09:14 AM
hi, i'm new in here, i joined from about 2 weeks, but everytime i opened i was lost in the channels and threads, so here i am with less confusion, i just need to know where to start, i read some firt posts about the pencils (wich i needed to know).. next step from here?
it's been a long time i didn't draw, started again from about one month in my free time, and went up with a "fruits" drawing,
and 2nd portrait not very well it had the eye too big and needed to be moved left but i let it as the way it is after the many corrections, so i was bored from it and decided to move to the next step and just learn from the mistakes

drawingfun
10-09-2006, 06:57 PM
Hi, Micha and welcome. I now it is a little confusing but I am sure one of the senior member will be able to help you, I am relatively new here and just learning like you so cannot help you that much. They have the first classes on pdf format that you can download so you don't have to read through all the posts in a thread and that might help you . I started from 101 class 1 because I didn't know anything and then jumped to this one because they were doing right now and it is easier for me to start a class from the beginning of it but feel free to do what is more convenient for you.
Judiif you have time let me know where do you think I need to work on my drawings, I'd appreciate it. I have not done much more on them because I think the paper is too thin and in one way it is not helping my drawing too much. Thanks, Lidia

*Deirdre*
10-09-2006, 07:15 PM
hi, i'm new in here, i joined from about 2 weeks, but everytime i opened i was lost in the channels and threads, so here i am with less confusion, i just need to know where to start, i read some firt posts about the pencils (wich i needed to know).. next step from here?
it's been a long time i didn't draw, started again from about one month in my free time, and went up with a "fruits" drawing,
and 2nd portrait not very well it had the eye too big and needed to be moved left but i let it as the way it is after the many corrections, so i was bored from it and decided to move to the next step and just learn from the mistakes
Hi Micha!:wave: Welome to the D&S Classroom! Just click on the link (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=223763&page=45)to take you to the first class.....then go to the first post to meet JayD!

Striver
10-09-2006, 07:26 PM
Hi Dee
Les

*Deirdre*
10-09-2006, 08:36 PM
Hi Dee
Les
Hi Les!:wave: :D Enjoying your Chaos? I would - grandchildren are the best, I play with them, get them mucky and overexcited... then hand them back!:evil: :lol:

Judi1957
10-09-2006, 08:56 PM
Hi Mary!:wave:Ty. Enjoy that wonderful grandaughter!:heart:

Hi Frieda!:wave: Ty for the compliment.
You talked about grainy-mine was the same way-then I went over it with a harder pencil (used a B over the 4B & 6B). It really helped tone down the grainyness-as well as allowing the darks to get darker. What I really see missing in your drawing is the darks of the shadows-which would really add more drama to her.. I love your statue-I think you have succeeded in getting more subtle transitions than the last post. It is amazing how many hours are going into these-but i think it is really paying off for you.:clap:

Hi Lidia!:wave:
I was refering to both in the images being washed out. Graphite can reflect--was your flash on? I think you could used some more darks as well-this is a great class for that tree! Check out the darks again in the ref here.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Oct-2006/37258-treeGreyScale.jpg

Hi :cool: Murray! :wave: Missing you here-sorry it is so busy for you!!

Mary-What wonderful progress! I am really studying this-you are doing such a perfect job!:clap: :clap:

frieda L
10-09-2006, 08:57 PM
Kenny, thanks for your comment on the statue... I am considering darkening the background, although I hesitate...I just did that with the flower before this one... it almost seems too easy, (and messy, I haven't found any fixative here, yet.) Maybe I will, just to finish it... it feels like an unfinished piece.
frieda

frieda L
10-09-2006, 09:06 PM
Oh Judi, we were posting at the same time! thanks for your thoughts... after I was really happy with the darks, a few days later it almost feels bland again... drama, as you said, I think that's it. I will give her another round of attention with the darker b's... should be fun.
I feel she deserves a good background, but maybe Kenny is right, some black for drama!
thank you, have fun with the rose!!!
frieda

drawingfun
10-09-2006, 09:48 PM
Judi thank you very much. I think the problem with the tree and flower is that I have been working with a copy and not the actual picture so that might be a problem. I still feel afraid of darkening too much and my thin paper is not helping, would that be a cause of a problem. I will apply some fixative and then work some more on the darks. Lidia

Judi1957
10-10-2006, 07:23 PM
Lidia-What paper are you using? You need some decent paper with some tooth. Murray has a thread on paper in the Learning Center you may want to check out HERE. (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=280018)

Freida-I think Kenny is right too.:thumbsup: It will make your whites whiter!

Have a lousy photo tonight-lil washed out:( .
I think a couple more hours fine tuning tonight and should be done.:rolleyes: :D

frieda L
10-10-2006, 09:24 PM
Judi, that may be a lousy photo, but it is a flower with flair.
You got them darks all right!!!:thumbsup:

I did it, black background for the sculpture... (where is the "scared, but not chickening out"- smiley) I will follow your advice on the shadows, and then will post... has anyone ever tried hairspray as a fixative?

Murray, :wave: we miss you, but having a lot of work is a good thing, right? You will have time to play again...
frieda

kennychaffin
10-10-2006, 09:49 PM
Judi, that may be a lousy photo, but it is a flower with flair.
You got them darks all right!!!:thumbsup:

I did it, black background for the sculpture... (where is the "scared, but not chickening out"- smiley) I will follow your advice on the shadows, and then will post... has anyone ever tried hairspray as a fixative?

Murray, :wave: we miss you, but having a lot of work is a good thing, right? You will have time to play again...
frieda

Hey Frieda, I've done the hairspray thing on some of my early drawings. It works, but no guarantee about longevity. :)

KAC

frieda L
10-11-2006, 12:50 PM
new and hopefully improved version...
thanks Kenny and Judi for the input...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Oct-2006/22676-102_lesson_8__28_edit.jpg
frieda

drawingfun
10-11-2006, 01:18 PM
Friedayour statue really pops out now, good job
Judy my paper is a cheap one that I bought in Walmart, academie sketch pad but at that time I couldn't find any other one. I live in a town in Puerto Rico so you don't have a lot of art places where to choose from. I just found and art supply store where the only paper they sold was the bienfang drawing heavyweight, 70lb that I just bought and started making a drawing there and really looks and feels better. All the others Murray's link recommend are not available here. I am tempted to do my flower again in this paper and see the difference. Right now my drawing is all dented and the more I work on the shades the worst the paper looks, so I think I'll stop there and start workin on my good paper from now on. thanks a lot.By the way your rose looks spectacular, Lidia

Mary Woodul
10-11-2006, 01:57 PM
Judi, the softness of the petals in the rose are tangible. This is very nicely done. You got good darks.:envy: :D

Frieda, excellent work on your statue and you also achieved the darks. I'll have to go over mine again!

frieda L
10-11-2006, 02:18 PM
Lidia, I understand the frustration of having to use whatever quality you can find... especially with paper, it seems the poor quality is not worth the time you put into your work... hopefully you find a better source... your work is good, and deserves better.
frieda

drawingfun
10-13-2006, 04:36 PM
You're right Frieda, I put a lot of ours on these two drawings. I am not fast and since I am a newbee it takes me a lot of drawing and erasing to finish the sketch and then the shading so I will work on my new drawing paper and see if it works better, Lidia

kennychaffin
10-13-2006, 05:01 PM
new and hopefully improved version...
thanks Kenny and Judi for the input...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Oct-2006/22676-102_lesson_8__28_edit.jpg
frieda

:clap::clap::clap: Oh yeah! Great Job Frieda!

KAC

kennychaffin
10-13-2006, 05:04 PM
You're right Frieda, I put a lot of ours on these two drawings. I am not fast and since I am a newbee it takes me a lot of drawing and erasing to finish the sketch and then the shading so I will work on my new drawing paper and see if it works better, Lidia

Yep the type of paper can make a tremendous difference! I'm a believer in using the best you can get, for sure, for your serious drawings. Practice sketches or studies etc. use whatever you have. :)

KAC

Judi1957
10-13-2006, 07:26 PM
Big difference Frieda!:clap: :clap: :clap:

Lidia:wave: -I agree w/ Kenny here-get the best you can. Experiment too with the different papers.

drawingfun
10-16-2006, 11:24 AM
thanks Judy and KAC, I know your are definetely right but have not been able to find any better paper than the bienfang heavy duty drawing paper, 70lb. So far it is at least heavier than the one I had and has some tooth in it. I will try it and see. Take care, Lidia

frieda L
10-16-2006, 12:18 PM
hmmm... we still have a few things cooking, I think...
impatiently looking forward to a rose, a vase with mirror, an Auckland garden, a finish on the kitties, a cute little boy, a finish on the tree and the iris ( although,I think they were finished),and the masters piece, a very promising looking western scene, and, and, ...
frieda

drawingfun
10-16-2006, 04:27 PM
Well Frieda I did work a little bit more on my tree and iris, I think they are finished at list is the most the paper can handle. Please give C&C so I can learn from my mistakes, thanks very much, Lidia

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/87248-IMG_0379.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2006/87248-IMG_0381_edited.jpg

Mary Woodul
10-16-2006, 05:17 PM
I think you have done very well Lidia, I love the deiicacy of the Iris.

drawingfun
10-16-2006, 06:14 PM
Mary thanks a lot, it has taken me so many hours to finish this projects, does it always take that long? I guess it is because I am knew on drawing, but I usually like to let my drawing rest for a while and then I work on them a little bit more, that what I do when I paint in acrylics and I am knew at that too. Well, thanks a lot , I'll keep practicing, Lidia

cmwynn
10-23-2006, 11:26 PM
I realized I hadn't posted a final version of my drawing for this class. It was even harder than I thought and I am not quite satisfied. But for now I guess it's as good as I am going to produce. A portrait probably wasn't the best choice for demonstrating value changes, though that is the basic problem here. The photo was taken from above the child and he has such beautiful pouchy cheeks. I had to make them very dark to show the roundness. But even his mother thinks it looks sort of like him.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Oct-2006/29839-Double-por.jpg

drawingfun
10-24-2006, 08:13 PM
I like it Connie , thanks for showing your final drawing, Lidia

Mary Woodul
10-24-2006, 10:28 PM
Lidia, I think you're right in letting your drawings and paintings rest a bit. You see things that you don't see when you have been at it for hours. I am very slow at drawing.:o

Connie, the likeness is surely there! You did a good job on it!

mauricar
10-30-2006, 08:20 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Oct-2006/71456-doggy3.jpg Quick question - I am trying to draw a dog that has lots of long, black hair, with touches of white mixed in. Does this form to this class?
Midge

Judi1957
10-31-2006, 12:07 PM
I would think so Midge (and great to see you!:thumbsup: )
Looks great so far-keep going and get those darks! Do you have a ref?

mauricar
10-31-2006, 12:33 PM
Here is another version:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Oct-2006/71456-doggy5.jpg

Hi Judy. It is good to see you too. You meet the nicest people on the WC.
Midge

Alison2
01-06-2007, 06:48 PM
Hi everyone,

What lovely work is here! That iris is amazing and the little boy is gorgeous. As for the doggie - so sweet!

Anyway, finally finished my tree. As I did it quite small I didn't leave myself a lot of room to put something in it, so I've put a little red ball. Used a watercolour pencil for that.

I must admit I was dreading this exercise, the tree looked so difficult and the whole thing seemed fraught with potential for me to make a mess of it. Judi, your tip on doing bark was very helpful thanks! And I read back in the thread and got the idea that I'd need a really dark pencil - found a 7B and got the courage to use that :eek:

Thanks all!

Alison2:wave:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Jan-2007/43103-10182.jpg

Alison2
01-13-2007, 12:18 PM
Oops!

Apologies everyone, I meant to post this in class 8, 101. :p

Slinking off to post it there now....

Alison2:wave:

mauricar
05-18-2007, 03:43 PM
I have been trying to get the darks really dark on this one, and can't seem to get it without the shine associated with darks. I used the 2 pencil technique and still don't have it. Can you help me this late in the game?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-May-2007/71456-silver5.jpg
I'll keep working on it while I await your responses.
Thanks,
Midge

mauricar
05-18-2007, 04:16 PM
Here is the best I can do.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-May-2007/71456-silver6.jpg
Please, help me to be better.
Midge

*Deirdre*
11-15-2008, 09:02 AM
Good heavens Midge...how did this get missed? :o I do apologise on behalf of all the forum staff!

It's a very good drawing...you have the reflective qualities...I can see there may be a few mid tones missing...but would need the ref to be certain.:)

tarpalsfan
01-22-2009, 11:54 AM
Help! I find this all rather intimidating:confused: . I have been practicing shading, on spheres and other geometric shapes. I am doing different type of drawing-I finished with my linework and am fairly satified with it. I am a stickler for detail. Now I am ready to finish-but there are are alot of large solid black areas. I used regular Bienfang drawing paper. I read your lesson-now I think my drawing is going to fail and the blacks will be the reason.:crying: I can't post my drawing but I could post the picture I am drawing from-if that is okay?

Robin Neudorfer
01-27-2009, 09:34 AM
why can't you post your drawing? That is the only way anyone can help you past your rough spot.

Large areas of black are certainly not a problem. They can actually be beautiful graphic shapes if used creatively in a drawing.

joe1It
04-17-2019, 02:11 PM
Hi, days ago I had read the explanations and posts these days and started my homework (I like the class, as the other classes are very rich and useful)
I probably chose the class, a wrong task to prove this, sorry.
(but I thought in any case also to make another attempt with the wooden pencils of different grades that I usually use) but I had tried to use the new 2b for mechanics 0.9 for a whole drawing also because to darken darkened a lot and I was curious to practice even if I decided not to complete it and that it is too hard for me and that for the mechanics, I prefer shading with larger mines. .
I would not finish it but I would start a new attempt with various degrees immediately after having reread another time. Maybe I also do better the value, I had others but I had not photographed photos.
Thanks

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