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artbabe21
03-16-2002, 03:41 PM
Since I see we have gone into collage, which I so enjoy, I thought I'd ask if there is anyone here that has ever altered a book? I am in online art communities that have a list dedicated to this art challenge, with over 1,000 member from about 34 countries. The idea being to take a sad, old book, that nobody wants and is still in fairly good condition and begin altering the pages, using collage,paints, cutting holes for 3 dimensional objects, etc. The ideas are endless & it's quite artistic. Currently I am in a pass around altered book RR where we have a group of 7 that we pass them to the next person and art pages in their books according to their theme. I could never understand this concept until I get the book from the last person who worked in it and I learn amazing things from what everyone did!!

Rose Queen
03-16-2002, 04:33 PM
As an amateur bookbinder, I found your post fascinating. Do you have any before & after photos or can you give us some examples of what was done to some of the books you got as part of your group? I'd love to hear the stories!



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artbabe21
03-16-2002, 04:53 PM
Bon jour Rose Queen! As an ameteur bookbinder as well < thought you might well be be horrified, as to the sacredness of books, etc> I have found altering books that might have been discarded or tossed out, are given new life. Instead of giving you many uploads that I'd have to resize, I will refer you to a web site of a friend, who put some of my pages up from my Paris altered book theme----these are only pages I have done, before I sent it out. There are also other art pursuits, journaling, paintings, assemblage.

www.art-e-zine.co.uk/cathleenperkinsart.html

artbabe21
03-16-2002, 05:57 PM
The site I referred to above is slow to load so I thought I would add a picture here, this is the first page of an old French book that I painted the page over with acrylic paints, then glued down an antique postcard for my title page, stamped the title words and glued {all w/Golden's heavy gel medium} an antique optician's test lense and added some gold chain to a reproduction Art Noveau brass finding. I use small eyelets into holes made in the side of the pages {I glue two pages together before even beginning, for strength} to then add charms or photocopied old antique tags placed into the holes with thin wire or metallic threads. It's just using your imagination & what sorts of things you have on hand to create a look you want. The books end up quite facinating really and are now being shown in galleries. Many books end up quite full, as in 'the art is spilling over!'

timelady
03-17-2002, 01:44 PM
What a wonderful idea... I've always wanted to do something with Shakespeare (which I love) but couldn't really think of something interesting other than a painting inspired by a bit. Rather predictable really. But I have 6 complete works editions! I could do something with one of them. :) My Riverside is rather outdated...

Tina.

Rose Queen
03-17-2002, 04:10 PM
Book mutilation -- Quelle horreur! :D

Much as I love books, I do recognize that they sometimes get to a point where it would be better to transform them into something more interesting, artbabe. Your friend's website is very interesting and I really enjoyed looking at how you transformed the book that's shown there.

So, do I understand that it really doesn't matter what the subject of the book is, relative to what you're going to make the book into? In other words, the book you transformed into "Paris: Looking into the Past" didn't necessarily have anything to do with Paris or France at all; is that right? And the photos, postcards, trimmings, etc., you select, cut out or buy to further the theme?

I'm sure you know of this magazine, but just in case you don't, you really ought to subscribe to Somerset Studio, a paper arts, art stamping and letter arts magazine published bi-monthly in Southern California. A lot of the artwork in that magazine is very reminiscent of this piece you've shown us. You can check them out at http://www.somersetstudio.com

Anyway, do post more of your transformations as you do them; they're really quite lovely and I very much enjoy seeing things like this!



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artbabe21
03-17-2002, 04:43 PM
Rose Queen wrote--
Book mutilation -- Quelle horreur!

Haaaaaaaaaaaa!! That's what many puristists think, they couldn't imagine altering a book as they are so sacred! I appreciate that many books should be preserved, but they obviously don't see some need resurection to a new life!

No, it doesn't really matter what the book is about unless you plan on leaving or using pages to add to your theme. Some people are into the idea of using words on pages as a message in itself, by using frisket over them before they paint a wash of color over the page. This happened to be a French language book
but it could have been any book for my purpose as I intend to cover most pages, many people do not.

Rose Queen wrote--I'm sure you know of this magazine, but just in case you don't, you really ought to subscribe to Somerset Studio

Yes, I do subscribe to it and have in fact I've been published in it several times. It's where I have been playing whilest taking a break from my oil painting. I am so glad you were able to access the web site, as there are many pages from this book, so you have an idea of what sorts of things can be done. It's like doing small art canvases on the different pages, that are done in your leisure. Timelady I hope you give this a try with a book, adding Shakespeare images, quotes and such.
If either of you are interested, there is a group I mentioned at yahoogroups.com called alteredbooks and you can subscribe to it to learn more. They have vast files of information & scans of others work.
thanks for looking and your comments!

Rose Queen
03-17-2002, 04:46 PM
Thanks for the tip about the yahoogroups; I'm gonna run right over there!

Also, may I know which issues of Somerset Studios you've published in (and under what name)? I'd like to check them out!



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artbabe21
03-17-2002, 05:31 PM
Rose Queen, I hate to sit here & list the issues but if I don't you'll think I made it up---that will teach me to open my mouth!

Jul/Aug '99--pg.13--goddess deck
Jan/Feb '00--pg.86--Mardi Gras Tag using my own stamp line
May/June--'00 name on cvr, Cathleen Perkins, Creative Hands feature pg.38
Mar/Apl--'01--pg.115--collage
May/June'01--pg113 Noveau purse--assemblage
these are ones I can remember, there might be more. Many of the contributing artists are my continuing online friends that participated in that goddess deck project pre Somerset.
Cathleen~

Rose Queen
03-17-2002, 08:53 PM
I'm sorry! :( I didn't mean to put you to any trouble... I'm gonna be lookin' those issues out, though! Thanks, Cathleen



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artbabe21
03-17-2002, 09:40 PM
Rose Queen-----you didn't put me to any 'trouble'---in retrospect I felt sorta foolish, like I was tooting my own horn by even mentioning that I'd been in the magazine---Cathleen~
PS--what is your medium/mediums of choice??

Rose Queen
03-17-2002, 10:19 PM
Watercolor, actually, with bookbinding a close second, although I make them with blank pages for the most part.

And, listen, tooting your horn is what WC is all about; we're your own personal cheering section!



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artbabe21
03-17-2002, 10:27 PM
Watercolor!!!!!!!! Wow! I AM impressed! I am much too undisciplined to do watercolors! I stick to oils that are more forgiving! Whata sissy, huh? Do you sell the books or are they just for you? I make mine for journaling in, all my signatures are blank as well. One of my fave books was made with 70# paper that I painted { as in paste papers} then dried & ironed the signatures before I sewed them in! It's a gorgeous book!! I used acrylics to paint the pages----Cathleen~

Rose Queen
03-17-2002, 10:40 PM
Well, now, don't be too impressed, 'cause I'm a rank beginner, but I do love the medium, despite the fact that you can't always recover from your mistakes the way oil or acrylic will permit. However, my parents made me do a lot of paint-by-number as a kid to develop patience (didn't work...) and I can't stand the smell of oil paints now as a result. Acrylics are OK, but I figured I'd pick a medium and just do my best to master it, so that's what I'm doing!

I haven't sold any of my books yet, but I've made a lot for friends (photo albums, journals, watercolor sketchbooks). By the way, I am now the 1,500th member of alteredbooks at Yahoo! Thanks!

Tell me what you mean by "paste papers," please.

In the meantime, here's a photo of three miniature books I made in a slipcover for a friend (the spines are a bit obscured by beads, but I had a good time making them!).



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Leaflin
03-18-2002, 09:59 AM
Hi Cathleen :)
What a wonderful idea.

I really love this forum.
There is always new and interesting things to learn.

artbabe21
03-18-2002, 11:35 AM
thanks for sending a picture----very nice! I love all the beads & goodies dangling, so three books in that baby, huh? You really DO like bookbinding! So you did get into the alteredbooks list. I have never done an AB RR with them since I don't personally know them or their work and it gets expensive mailing a book every month. I was asked by some fellow artists who I know, that's the only reason I did it. I get the list in digest, 25 posts all rolled into one & read at my leisure but sometimes delete. The best info is in the files, I think there is one section that lists ALL
the things members have thought of to art these book up.

Paste Paper is a way to transform papers to decorative ones to use on the covers of your books or in other art, similar to marbelized paper only this technique is easy. Perhaps I will email you privately w/direction since this post is getting lengthy.

Leaflin, glad you came in to take a look---there's always something new to draw me in a different direction!!

Rose Queen
03-18-2002, 01:38 PM
Thanks, Cathleen; I have access to so many beautiful handmade papers in Los Angeles that I haven't really considered making my own, but I'm intrigued, so I would definitely like to hear about paste papers. When I have a bit more time, I'm definitely going to be diving into the archives at alteredbooks. I know what you mean about getting their posts in a digest. Within minutes of signing, I had four emails. Whew, these folks are active! :p



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artbabe21
03-18-2002, 02:00 PM
Re: papers----when I come down to visit my ole stomping grounds I always go to Sterling Art & Pearl to buy new papers, even if I don't need any. I love to look at them----marbeled papers are my passion. Perhaps I could wallpaper my sitting room with them so I could just look at them!!!
When I have a moment I will send instructions on the paper thing, it's quite fun to use papers YOU made!

Yes, they are a WAY active group the alteredbooks---too active for me, you can change your options at the web site for email.

writes4me
03-19-2002, 11:35 AM
Artbabe, I love your book pages. I am in an Artist Way group and one of our mutual projects are to create our own altered books. I'm always looking for inspiration.

Funny story here though. About finding a book to alter. Hubby and I went to our local library where they have old hardback books to sell for anywhere from 1 dollar to 25 cents. We found a couple of books, one amongst them is called "Of Pots and Priveys" (a book based on old fashioned toilets). We thought 'heck, there won't be anything in this book that is interesting.' Boy, were we wrong. The book is filled with hilarious stories and historical facts. We can't think of harming or blocking a page. Oh, well, back to the library to get another book...hopefully one we will NOT become attached too. :cat:

artbabe21
03-19-2002, 03:14 PM
writes4me, thanks for your nice words about my book pages---
the information on alteredbooks a yahoogroups might be helpful to you, just the files alone have lists of all sorts of things to do to a book------things i didn't imagine til i read it---have a good time altering, it really grows on you! very portable, not too time consuming, and those pages as small canvases are satisfying!
artbabe~

Leaflin
03-19-2002, 04:38 PM
Cathleen
I started work early this morning so I'd have time to get on WetCanvas today.
I finally got to spend some time looking at all your wonderful work.
Your site is well worth the wait.

artbabe21
03-20-2002, 11:26 AM
Thanks Leaflin for your nice words about my work---especially since you got up to work on firdie early to see mine! You're
the coolest artist going---
Cathleen~

Mae
03-20-2002, 08:27 PM
This is a wonderful thread Artbabe..! I guess collage artists are naturally drawn to altered books too ( once they get over the destruction..or err enhancement of books concern!)
I tried a couple last summer..it is a very imaginitive kind of artistic pursuit and addictive too! I used a lot of vintage doll pics for mine..and a corny yet intriguing title..it felt good to give the discarded book new life..
A web site that might be of interest to folks here .. http://www.nervousness.org

-a land mail art project group..very nifty ideas and exchanges including collage and altered books..lots of funky projects!

artbabe21
03-20-2002, 10:24 PM
Originally posted by Mae
This is a wonderful thread Artbabe..! I guess collage artists are naturally drawn to altered books too ( once they get over the destruction..or err enhancement of books concern!)
I tried a couple last summer..it is a very imaginitive kind of artistic pursuit and addictive too!

MAE! I LOVE your page, thanks for posting it!! I use old doll parts in assemblage & images in my work as well---seems like we have a lot in common! I had no idea anyone would have heard of alteredbooks at WC! COOL! I sometimes I gut the whole book and cover the boards in decorative papers and then make new signatures and place in it so I can have a new journal, just the size and color I want!! One addiction feeds another!
artbabe~
PS, thanks for the nervous site but I have had my caffeine today
<grin>

Little Old Lady
03-24-2002, 09:50 AM
Just found this thread and it is fascinating. As far as mutilating books, I volunteer at a resale shop and it is amazing how many books in bad shape have to be disposed of. I will have a great source if I decide to add this to my already too many interests. A good source for those of you who do this.
JoAnn

artbabe21
03-24-2002, 10:05 AM
JoAnn-----that's exactly WHERE I find most of my books for altering! In fact many times if I am covering ALL the pages I will use a child's book since they are smaller & have fewer pages! And do I ever know what you mean by add to your already full agenda of interests!
Cathleen~

iyoung
03-26-2002, 04:26 PM
Have you seen the Women Beyond Borders project? 400 wooden boxes finished & adapted by women artists from around the world? It hasn't come this direction but if you're in the LA area you can see it. All of the 400 boxes from all the 32 different contries are on the web exhibition. I thought you'd like it, since this is semi-related to altered books, since it concerns small constructions and narrative art.

Ilene

whoops: forgot the link http://www.womenbeyondborders.org/ex_intro.htm

Rose Queen
03-26-2002, 05:10 PM
Thanks for the link, iyoung! I'm heading on over there...



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islandwoman
03-27-2002, 07:26 AM
Thanks iYoung for the art box site. Fascinating.. as is this whole thread. I had no idea. Opens up a whole new area for exploration. Aside from art/creativity aspect, it appears to be a very interesting way to explore the inner landscape. The boxes reveal a portion of the artist's psyche. Looking at them is similar to checking out the titles in someones bookcase.

reynolds
04-07-2002, 10:41 PM
i just felt as though i needed to be hooked up here the thread is great. i started here when i came to wc and then got lost on the crits for awhile and now here i am again as things have shifted as far as activity goes.
i love somerset studios and subscribe. i watched that dreaded martha stewart the other day and she had someone on making paper. i will find the link and post it when i get a second. any way, i hope this post has a long life.

artbabe21
04-07-2002, 11:06 PM
Thought I'd add a few more altered book pages & the cover of mine that is currently being sent around to some art pals to have them do pages in mine & visa versa.

Hi Reynolds, thanks for stopping in-------Cathleen~;)

artbabe21
04-07-2002, 11:12 PM
Well, that didn't work so I will try again! I was trying to load more than one image but see that I need 'uploading for dummies'

artbabe21
04-07-2002, 11:17 PM
One more time!

Gypsy Baubo
04-08-2002, 09:42 AM
I posted this on a separate thread and someone suggested I post it here as the people on this thread seem to be doing the same sort of thing. Artbabe, I absolutely LOVE your "Paris" page and I too am a Somerset Studios fan!

I wanted to offer this for comments. It is torn paper from various images and remnants of my own paintings. After I assembled the piece I highlighted parts of it with different tinted shelacs and used rubber stamps - some purchased, some hand carved.

The two areas of text are the "soul" of the piece. The one at the top is a poem from Rumi written here in Portuguese, "When soul rises to lips, one finds the kiss he has longed for." The other one is a quotation from The Song of Solomon written in Hebrew, "Kiss me, make me drunk with thy kisses, for thy love is sweeter than wine."

The overall piece is 30x22 (you can probably see where I taped the scans together to rescan).

The good news is that, while I do not want to part with this work, I did sell the design for the Hebrew lettering to a rubber stamp manufacturer.

Comments? Reactions?

Gypsy Baubo
04-08-2002, 09:47 AM
Artbabe, you and I were posting at the same time. I love the piece you posted above - very nostalgic and beautiful.

I have been making small books too but instead of using old books I have been buying these wonderful small books from Dick Blick (dickblick.com) which are made in Tibet from the inside bark of trees. They take stamps beautifully and are fine to write or draw in.

My problem these days is that my passions have way exceeded the hours in my days. I work full time (as a technical illustrator/graphic designer) but I also love water color, collage, anything that involves working with beautiful fibers - I also sew and make lace and swim half a mile a day.

In my next life I want lots and lots of time and a huge room with plenty of storage and table tops!

Rose Queen
04-08-2002, 01:30 PM
Here's a link to some art stamps (unmounted) that I ran across which those of you who do collage, assemblages, altered books, etc., might find useful: http://www.junque.net/Art_Tools.html



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sassybird
04-08-2002, 03:04 PM
I've been avoiding this thread since it began. Yes, I did take a peek at what it was about, the concept, etc.... But, I am a collector of books from first editions to paperbacks some very very old, and a diverse choice of subjects. I read constantly, and ususally have a pile of books waiting in que for my eyes to devour. I respect books, love them actually. I don't even break the spine on my paperbacks that I buy new. For the life of me I don't think I could ever alter/deface a book.

artbabe21
04-08-2002, 06:43 PM
Gypsey Baubo--thanks for coming in and posting your glorious work! It's a beautiful collage with lots going on & lovely colors---these are your paintings? What cool idea to reuse them this way. I generally use images I find in magazines, color copy antique postcards or family photographs. Tell me Gypsey, what stamp company did you sell your Hebrew saying to? I have my own online stamp company and know many of the company owners that have been out there awhile. This is what I was doing in my side trip from my truest medium of all, painting in oils! So I am returning to painting and getting rid of all the assemblage, collage etc. Thanks btw, for your nice compliments on my work!

Rose Queen-----this company Junque stamps is an online friend of mine that I met at an art retreat!! My stamps are
www.karststage.com/artdreams I have sold them for about 3 years, never planned on this but my friends bought them and convinced me to sell them. It's been a good go as they are in about 7 other countries besides the U.S.

sassybird----there are many sad, abused books that are going to the garbage heap and these are the ones I use, it gives them a new life. I have an extensive collection of books, new & many older volumes that I cherish & would never touch to alter. I don't have any problem with altering books that are hurt.
Cathleen~;)

iyoung
04-09-2002, 10:01 AM
Ah - an art stamp designer! I've always wanted to ask a question about this. I design my own stamps to use in paintings but never considered selling them. But as you do, what is the copyright on them? What if someone, for example, bought one of your stamps, used the image for the head design of the central object in an doll-like assemblage, then won awards for it ? Wouldn't their success be based on your artwork? what if that doll was then going to be mass produced? Or are yours adaptations of already copyright free old designs (in which case I guess you wouldn't care?) I know this question came up locally once when some one wanted to use a text/script stamp in some cards that would have been reproduced but was uncertain as to the rights of the stamp creator and couldn't sell the line of cards to the company.

Ilene

artbabe21
04-09-2002, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by iyoung
[What if someone, for example, bought one of your stamps, used the image for the head design of the central object in an doll-like assemblage, then won awards for it ? Wouldn't their success be based on your artwork? what if that doll was then going to be mass produced? Or are yours adaptations of already copyright free old designs (in which case I guess you wouldn't care?) I know this question came up locally once when some one wanted to use a text/script stamp in some cards that would have been reproduced but was uncertain as to the rights of the stamp creator and couldn't sell the line of cards to the company.


Ilene, hello! It would all depend on how the copyright was written. Mine says I am an angel company and people can hand stamp w/o restriction, they can sell them etc. as long as they ARE hand stamped. However mechanical reproduction is FORBIDDEN by my copyright as is publication of mechanical reproduction. So
what you are mentioning regarding winning an award using a face from my collection of stamps, no it would not be in voilation if it was hand stamped. It was their success based on an image of mine incorperated into thie assemblage, which I allowed under the angle policy. But mass producing it is forbidden in my copyright, presuming it would be machanical rather than hand stamped.

All my designs are made up of many images incorporated into one image, some are hand drawn, others clip art that I have further embellished so it's not basically the clip art as I found it. So it all falls under my copyright. But the problem I have with copyright is it's rather bogus. How am I going to know if Susie in NY is using my stamps & mechanically reproduced in a mini booklet? Then if I know I have to hire a lawyer to go after her. For what? A cease & dissist??? Or damages? I am not that big a company where I can afford to do that so I went in knowing some people don't abide by copyright, so I am not going to get hot & bothered about it.
Hope that answers your questions.
Cathleen~:(

Gypsy Baubo
04-09-2002, 12:13 PM
Thank you, artbabe, for your kind comments - some of the stuff I use is old watercolors that I cut up and include in the collage (like the water behind Poseidon's head). I use stuff out of magazines, calendars, anything really - I love to play with the juxtaposition of shapes and colors.

While painting is my first love I find that one of the benefits of collage is that it overcomes the barrier of technique and lets me give expression to pure emotions. I have been toying with the idea of conducting a workshop using collage as a means for women to work through body issues.

I forget the name of the stamp company - I'll have to look it up. In this case there was no copyright issue involved because it was a passage from the Bible so it was in the public domain and could have been written by anyone who writes Hebrew.

I have carved other stamps out of rubber and even styrofoam to give a funky, motled effect.

I'm wondering if anyone has experimented with turpentine transfer on their collages. I LOVE the look but the results are unpredictable and I'd like to know what results others have had.

I'll look and see if I have anything scanned to show you what I mean.....

Jeanne Minnix
04-09-2002, 05:33 PM
I would love to participate in your journaling/collage book. Check out my website http://www.jeanneminnix.com

i've read about this process and am very interested. Have never done it before though. When can i start?

artbabe21
04-09-2002, 06:11 PM
Gypsey---I so agree with your feeling that collage is an immediate form of emoting ideas in an artistic way. To me it's generally a no brainer as somehow I just go into that dimension and do it, then wonder where it came from. I have stayed away from turp tranfers as I don't like chemicals and most of my art pals had unpredictable results. I have done transfers with medium and like that pretty well.

Jeanne---the project I have going on is about up, so if you are interested in an altered book adventure, you might be interested in the alteredbooks at yahoogroups.com---put it in the search at the yahoo site. There is a wealth of information in the files and groups forming all the time to swap books. I checked your web page and you are very talented! I too love goddesses. Your journals are way cool! Have you seen Sabrina Ward Harrison's? Or do have you heard of the Studio Zine? Tracy & Teesha Moore? You ought to check their journals on the Zettiology section of the web site.
www.zettiology.com look for the journals on that stamp site, it's a hubby & wife thing-----Cathleen~

Jeanne Minnix
04-10-2002, 09:04 AM
Cathleen, thanks so much for the web site and references-i'll check them out. This wetcanvas is great. Im isolated out here in the suburbs and have only one contact out west who is doing this kind of work. What a fantastic resource you and the others are on this site. I love your collage piece as well as the other gals collage piece that's on this page.
Yes, i have both of Sabrinna's books. Dan Eldon I absolutely love ("The Journey is the Destination" is his first book), Peter Beard is a bit out there but I appreciate his work, Joseph Cornell is the grandfather of collage. There's a new book out on him and Marcel Duchamp.

thanks for the the information. Do you have a site I could check out?
Jeanne (aka Mystic Muse-im going to update by bio to reflect this new name)

Gypsy Baubo
04-10-2002, 01:58 PM
Talking about visual journaling reminded me of this project - you will doubtless recognize some of the elements.

I was dealing with a tough decision in my life and I decided to create a book - doing a page an evening for a couple of weeks until I was able to make a decision - which I finally did.

Here are a few of the pages from the book (which was hand bound).

Gypsy Baubo
04-10-2002, 01:59 PM
Guess I have to do this one at a time.....

Gypsy Baubo
04-10-2002, 02:00 PM
Three

Gypsy Baubo
04-10-2002, 02:01 PM
Four

Gypsy Baubo
04-10-2002, 02:02 PM
Last one:

Jeanne Minnix
04-10-2002, 02:09 PM
Wow Gypsy, love it-thanks so much for sharing this with me and the group-i need to figure out how i can put stuff on here. where else can i view your work?

i like that idea of doing a page a night. my time is limited but a show is coming up in June and i've challenged myself to do a collage a night suitable for a card. i end up working really small (3 x 5") but am able to complete something most evenings in about 30 or 45 minutes. so i have this sense of accomplishment and also have work to show and sell. i decided that even if its something im not happy with, i can rip the piece up and use it in another collage, or just paint over it. also, if i've only got 5 minutes between dinner and a load of laundry or paying bills then that's 5 minutes closer to my goal.

thats a great idea to work through decision making with visual journaling. im tired of not living the life i believe my higher power wants me to be living. so this art deal is the step in the direction i feel this innner nudge is guiding me to.

Jeanne

Jeanne Minnix
04-10-2002, 02:10 PM
these are just beautiful Gypsy. i just viewed the rest of your pieces. do you work in photoshop? or photocopy you images and cut them out?

jeanne

Gypsy Baubo
04-10-2002, 02:55 PM
Thank you, Jeanne, I do all this by hand - painting, tearing paper, carving stamps, etc.

I have done Photoshop collage at work for the backgrounds of ads but have never done it for my own amusement. I'm pretty new at all this so do not have an on-line site yet.

I'll look forward to seeing your stuff as you progress getting ready for your show. Time is such a problem - I sure know what you mean.

The following is a Photoshop collage for an ad for waterproof watches:

Jeanne Minnix
04-10-2002, 03:04 PM
pretty cool-looks like you're an old hand at this photoshop.

you can view my work at http://www.jeanneminnix.com
double click on the thumbnails to see enlargments.

Check out the assemblages section of wetcanvas and there's some great work being done over there. love it.
jeanne

Jeanne Minnix
04-10-2002, 03:07 PM
I have another question. Im constantly having to stay on top of keeping things organized. what kind of system do you use? i have heaps of torn paper all over creation in baskets, boxes, bins-there's no real system. last night, i spent 15 minutes looking for specific "type". guess i could have a "type" basket and then a basket for cool words and quotes, eh? how do you stay organized?
jeanne

Gypsy Baubo
04-10-2002, 03:15 PM
Yes, I've been using Photoshop for years and years at work.

Funny you should ask about organizing. About a year ago I bought this GREAT cupboard in a yard sale for $30. I recently painted it periwinkle blue and am now in th process of organizing all my collage stuff in rubbermaid bins inside of it. The best friend a collage artist ever had are the extra large size Zip-lock storage bags - you can see everything in them.

BTW, artbabe wherever you are! What kind of "medium" do you use????

Jeanne Minnix
04-10-2002, 03:57 PM
thanks for the tip-it's like duh-i use them but not because i can see everything-mostly because i can seal them-but you're right-wow, a breakthrough in organizing!!
jeanne

Rose Queen
04-10-2002, 08:32 PM
Gypsy, I'm so glad you posted some of your pages! They're really outstanding. I guess we'll need to be lobbying for an altered books forum on WetCanvas next!



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artbabe21
04-10-2002, 10:03 PM
:clap: :clap: :clap:

Gypsey! love your pages, thanks for posting them----sorry I have been MIA, but am getting ready to go out of town for a wedding!
So I have been offline somewhat! Wow, was I thrilled to see the traffic going through here--500+ views!! When you speak of what medium do I use, I assume you meant to collage or attach images? I use a UHU glue stick if it's something small, it sticks real well and is archival. If it's something larger I will use either medium or Rollatag glue straight from the bottle w/a brush rather than that messy dispenser, it is archival as well. Also, if anyone is using YES paste be aware it is NOT archival and turns nasty brown and your work falls apart in a few years. It was first 'thought' to be archival when it came out but has proved not to be!

I use clear baggies of all sizes to organize my collage papers plus a file cabinet with them in folders for larger sizes. I have catagories of women, body parts, words, buildings, etc.

Jeanne--keep up with those collages, have you ever given yourself a free association collage lesson, where you set the timer with images set out and see what you instinctively come up with? It's a blast-----you gals should check out Ann Baldwin's art site, I really like her women series!
www.annbaldwin.com she's a super generous artist!
take care, Cathleen~

Rose Queen
04-11-2002, 01:32 AM
artbabe, I can't get the ann's page link to work. Are you sure it's right?



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Jeanne Minnix
04-11-2002, 01:06 PM
Same here Cathleen, message reads "no specifiied server can be found" when looking up ann baldwins page.
Dan Eldon is great too.
jeanne

Jeanne Minnix
04-11-2002, 01:18 PM
ok gals, just go to http://www.annbaldwin.com

i could've had a v-8 it was so obvious
great work on this site-i love the encaustic technique. i really want to take a class but then if i love it, that's more STUFF to get and set up.
Jeanne

artbabe21
04-15-2002, 01:21 AM
thanks Jeanne for correcting Ann's URL-----I put in the old one she had before home.com went down--Cathleen~

Rose Queen
04-15-2002, 08:07 AM
What a fascinating site! I wish I lived a little closer to Berkeley so I could take some of her classes...



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Gypsy Baubo
04-15-2002, 10:28 AM
Wow. Her work is breathtaking.

One of the greatest influences on my collage work has been Nick Bantock - famous for his Griffin & Sabine books but I most loved the collages he created for The Venetian's Wife.

His web site is: http://www.nickbantock.com/

Jeanne Minnix
04-15-2002, 10:37 AM
thanks Gypsy. I had seen Nicks work before but never visited his site. Beautiful. thanks for sharing.

this weekend, thanks to you guys, i organized my studio and put type, stickers, indian references, vintage references, body refs., couples, glitter, stamps, etc. all in separate zip lock baggies. i now have my materials organized in a sane way in which i can get to them easily. mucho gracias!

Gypsy Baubo
04-15-2002, 10:50 AM
Good fro you, Jeanne. I need to get my little studio tidied up again. I get it organized and then I have a creative frenzy and - zap! - it is chaos once again.

I keep meaning to tell you how much I like your Goddess bowls - they are really beautiful!. Have you ever heard of a Houston-artist named Kathleen Dustin? Her work is rather a bit like yours. I'll have to see if I can find a site of her stuff.

Gypsy Baubo
04-15-2002, 10:55 AM
This is one of her pieces I found a picture of on-line. It is called "Mother and Child".

http://www.npcg.org/Gallery/rave/rave8.jpg

Jeanne Minnix
04-15-2002, 11:09 AM
No Gypsy, I've never heard of this lady before. does she paint or just do sculpture?

thanks for the compliment about my bowls. They are popular among my friends-i don't work fast enough to create any kind of inventory. They take several hours to do and the cost of the unpainted bowls have gone up. For a while, i could get seconds but now all they seem to have are prime grades that sell for 50$ each which is too much for a 15" bowl-need to find an alternative source. maybe a cheapo lumber yard would have some other kind of deal-but there's just something about the bowl and picking it up and holding it that's appealing. i think i may have to vary my format just to make this goddes idea more affordable. Home Depot here I come!

my influences have been the preraphaelites-as you probably could see, and a new mexico artist named Miguel Martinez. I don't think he has a site but he shows his work at contemporary southwest gallery in Santa Fe. Dont know their site name but you could put in a search.
jeanne

strawberry
04-21-2002, 01:05 PM
I came across this thread a couple of weeks ago and thought it was interesting but didn't really understand what the books would come out looking like.

A couple of days ago, I ran across a BFA student setting up her show in the gallery in the library where I work. She had what looked like an altered book with her. It turned out to be a reproduction of an actual book she'd found from the 1800s, and then altered. That might be an option for those who are loathe to alter a real book.

I bought two old cast-off books from the local public library for 50 cents each, and now I'm going to try to figure out how to do this and see what I come up with. Thanks so much for starting this thread and to all who have shared the URLs of pages which discuss it further.

Rose Queen
04-21-2002, 01:16 PM
I took an altered books class from Kelly Kilmer yesterday! Groan...another hobby with $500-worth of start-up costs... Still, it was lots of fun and I've almost got all the gesso and ink cleaned out from under my fingernails! :p



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Jeanne Minnix
04-22-2002, 09:26 AM
its great to stay connected with this site.

im so isolated from the creative world sometimes. i like the idea of taking a class. i just saw kelly kilmers work in somerset. that's wonderful that you are in a place where she's available to teach!!

Richmond is extremely conservative. the artists are here but in pockets and there are no book artists around that are out of hiding. there was one class offered at the Hand Workshop here in town that was about visual journaling and it had one person sign up-so it was canceled. i think these classes just need proper advertisement because the folks i talk to about it all sound very interested. thanks for reminding me of the benefits of working with other artists. im going to shop around for a class today!

if anyone is interested in passing along altered books as part of a group project, im very interested. i've heard great things about this process and would like to do it. its when one artist passes their art in a book along to another artist and that artist adds to it, then passes it along.
jeanne

Rose Queen
04-22-2002, 01:11 PM
Jeanne, the Yahoo alteredbooks group does lots of round robins, where several other people work in your book as it gets passed along. You really should join if you're interested in doing this!

I don't know Virginia at all, but is there a larger city nearby within easy driving or commute distance where you could take classes? Maybe at a museum? It would be worth spending a little time on the internet searching something like that out.

Of course, you could also come to L.A. for a visit and take a bunch of classes! I still have a hide-a-bed buried under stuff somewhere in my studio... :p



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Jeanne Minnix
04-22-2002, 01:23 PM
do you have a contact there on yahoo? i joined the alteredbooks group but have been out of touch. i have trouble accessing their chatroom. im sometimes a bit chatroom challenged.
jeanne

artbabe21
04-22-2002, 05:27 PM
Hi everyone---just returned from a family wedding in SO CA---Rose Queen, how interesting you mention Kelly Kilmer, she's a pal of mine & does some really cool classes I am told. We have done a few collaborative swap things together. Such a small world!!

Jeanne---you should just get quite a lot of information on the alteredbooks list through the emails od digest where they offer you to join round robins.

Strawberry--glad you are going to give this a try, it's like each page is a mini canvas. There are many alteredbooks sites online where you can see ideas of what some artists have done. Plus the altered book list at yahoo. Let me know if you have any questions. I like the reproduction book idea as older books DO NOT lend themselves to altering as the pages are too fragile and many times are falling out!!
Cathleen~;)

TeAnne
04-26-2002, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by sassybird
I've been avoiding this thread since it began. Yes, I did take a peek at what it was about, the concept, etc.... But, I am a collector of books from first editions to paperbacks some very very old, and a diverse choice of subjects. I read constantly, and ususally have a pile of books waiting in que for my eyes to devour. I respect books, love them actually. I don't even break the spine on my paperbacks that I buy new. For the life of me I don't think I could ever alter/deface a book.

It's funny but I feel the same as Sassybird. Even though I can appreciate the beautiful artwork gone into these books, I couldnt bear to mark one intentionally. I don't even 'lend' my books lolol
It breaks me up when ever I borrow a book from the Library and find that someone has Underlined a passage in ink. *arghhhhhhhhhh*

artbabe21
04-26-2002, 08:38 PM
TeAnne----though I DO agree with you in principle, there are so MANY books that are given a new life with altering. Otherwise they are thrown in the trash heap!!
Cathleen~;)
To each his own!

Jeanne Minnix
04-29-2002, 09:18 AM
On a positive note about the altered books comments and the discomfort folks have around so called "defacing" them. Here's my thought-at least there are sometimes a million more copies in print out there and its not an original such as an original one-of-a-kind manuscript. Often times you can just run out and get another copy of the same thing. I respect books too. I understand how people feel. I'm very particular about the books I alter. (using really cheapy ones that are at the check out counter and cost 1$).
On the subject of alterations:
I saw Jim Morrison's grave about 20 years ago in Paris and all the graffiti on his bust and the surrounding tombs was very disrespectful. In a way, however, I found it wonderfully fascinating (of course non of my relatives or friends are buried there)-just Jim. People had written some profound work on the surrounding grave markers from people who had traveled all over the world. The graffiti was another form of human expression reflecting our times. I try not to judge these things-but the graves were "altered" and took on an incredibly different meaning. Interestingly, it wasn't cleaned off by the cemetery but left on for years. I don't know if its still like it was in 1982 but I liked the alterations.

iyoung
04-29-2002, 02:46 PM
I am a lover of books but I agree that there are books which weren't meant to last posterity - if a person has difficulty altering books just pick up a copy of the latest million copy bestseller of a me! me! me! autobiography or a badly out of date textbook to alter. The former actually deserves it.

I think, though, that the alteration by an artist of sacred-cow type objects is a statement in itself. A lot of antique papers and objects are not costly and are not, in themselves, apart from their age, particularly significant in themselves. I like to use "collectible" antique papers and trinkets in collages & assemblages because the act of using them (rather than storing them away in tissue paper) removes them from cultural artifact status and puts them "back into play" as vital parts of the culture. It allows the culture to continue its journey, one hand to another. Is this understandable to everyone else?

This is a lot of the power behind altered books.

Ilene

Some of my vintage paper collages are on my newly refurbished website. If you want to see them, go to collage paintings & the last couple series on the page (One Girl Safari & Charms) http://www.raggedycreek.com

islandwoman
04-29-2002, 04:30 PM
..and your website is interesting. I am wildly impressed with your art.

artbabe21
05-14-2002, 12:57 PM
Thanks Ilene for stopping in and recognizing the place altering books has. It's never about destroying, but enhancing. I so enjoyed seeing your work on your web site and find you a multi talented artist!! I have done assemblage & collage and I do portraits too, but oils, not watercolor!! That IS the challenge, Bravo!
Cathleen~:o

byzantium
05-20-2002, 07:35 AM
Hello to all! I am new to WetCanvas! and am particularly enjoying reading about, and chasing the links to view, altered books. My own long-term (close to 30 years) artform has been related .... filling up blank books and sketchbooks with collage and ephemera from life. What I have observed is that over extended periods of time, themes show up, personal in nature, giving insight into myself, the universe, synchronicity, and even the hand of God. Kind of like a journal, but less time-specific. I also find my expression to be like my intake... visual, but very text-oriented.

Here are a couple of examples I scanned in this weekend, from an old book called CLUES 1979-1981.

<img src=http://members.viafamily.com/bandl/canal2.jpg><hr><br><img src=http://members.viafamily.com/bandl/less.jpg>

Jeanne Minnix
05-20-2002, 10:47 AM
glad you're online. i have some visual journals on my site: http://www.jeanneminnix.com
somerset studios has lots of journaling work-mixed media, peter beard, dan eldon, joseph cornell, sabrina ward harrision-that should get you going for a while. great work!
jeanne

byzantium
05-20-2002, 03:41 PM
Thanks, Jeanne, for the welcome. I enjoyed looking at your visual journals very much! The use of color is great...and the text/collage format works well. I assume that for you, as well as for me with mine, there are so many personal allusions and contexts to go with everything that the meaning transcends anything actually seen or read.

Rose Queen
05-20-2002, 11:18 PM
Here's another great altered book site I found as a lead from somewhere else:

http://www.artisticrevolutions.com/AR_gallery_alteredbook.html



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artbabe21
05-20-2002, 11:53 PM
Welcome to WC byzantium!! Thanks for sharing your altered book/journal pages!! I find it amazing how the pages reflect my life at times too. I sometimes CAN'T journal with words and images are more meaningful in a subliminal way.

Jeanne I do so love your wonderful journals, reminds me of Sabrina, but YOUR style!

Rose Queen, M'Lady--------thanks so much for the facinating altered book site!!!!!! Looks good, will spend more time later.
Cathleen~

iyoung
05-22-2002, 08:11 PM
I loved the altered book link. The key and black books make me think of the books as artist's secrets in disguise, which is a beautiful concept that I've used for boxes. Makes me think I should get back to work thinking about that box project.
Ilene

Rose Queen
05-22-2002, 08:59 PM
Check this site out for examples of altered books with a lot of serious content: http://www.minsky.com/billofrights-edition.htm



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Elyria
07-30-2002, 02:15 AM
Great link, Rose Queen. Thanks for posting that! Has anyone here tried mail art? I've been involved with a few altered book swaps on Nervousness (http://www.nervousness.org), and found them to be worthwhile. I'm also interested in learning techniques to combine collage and watercolor together. I think that could be applied nicely to altered books.

Rose Queen
07-30-2002, 02:16 PM
Welcome to WetCanvas, Elyria! I admire the mail art I see in Somerset Studio, but haven't made anything myself yet that I particularly like. You are quite right, though, that collage and watercolor are perfect for altering books. Check this posting out for unusual artists' books; alas, they don't show much, but I'm going to see the exhibit later this week and can report back! http://www.library.ucla.edu/libraries/yrl/urlexhibits/index.htm



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artchic
01-08-2003, 09:57 PM
HI,
Cathleen..beautiful work!...I've been compiling things for my first altered book....it is going to be a beach theme.......I also get Somerset Studios...GREAT magazine..great source of inspiration!
I work mostly in acrylics on wood but i can't wait to try this new ,medium
Carole

Gaylart
01-09-2003, 10:52 AM
I just started my first altered book. I just wish I had more time to work on it. What do you do to eliminate some of the pages? Glue them together? Do you ever take any out? It seems it will get too large! I love the paris one. I think a RR would be great too. Gotta go to yahoo too and check some out.

Gayle

artbabe21
01-09-2003, 12:03 PM
thanks Carole{artchic} for you kind words...good luck on your first altered book...I happen to be working in another friends book right now & so enjoying that small blank canvas to fill, each page a new artful expression...

Hi Gayle!
I do both, rip some pages out, not too many for fear of weakening the signatures structure...but also find that gluing {UHU glue stick is easy & archival} two together throughout the book especially with thin pages makes them stronger & gets rid of pages so the book doesn't grow too much with all the artwork and the binding breaks. Thanks, I adore the Paris one as well...it was such fun to work in...:D

Gaylart
01-09-2003, 08:31 PM
Thanks Cathleen! I worked on my altered book today and that is what I have been doing, glueing two pages together. Did I see someone mention altered mail? This is new to me. Can someone explain? I just sent a large envelope package out and I did my return address in a collage. I don't suppose that is anything close to altered mail.

This is such an informative thread! I love it. I am pretty new to wetcanvas too and have learned so much already!

artbabe21
01-14-2003, 12:30 AM
Hi Gaylart...how's your book coming along? I can't remember the mention of altered mail in this thread...:)

Gaylart
01-14-2003, 09:12 AM
My altered book is going fine. I just cut through a bunch of pages and made a little niche in it. It's pretty cool. I think I like the journaling a little better. I have been working on making my journal creative and that seems to be more personal for me. I will continue to work on the book, but I really do think a round robin would make it much more fun and interesting.

I am from the midwest here in amish country and when I mention an altered book, people look at me like I'm crazy. No one around here has a clue. I need to get some people informed and start a round robin. My father-in-law coulnd't even pronounce "collage" he had never heard of it. Ha! :p




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Gaylart
01-16-2003, 02:46 PM
Here is a page from my altered book.

Gayle

Rose Queen
01-16-2003, 06:18 PM
Gorgeous, Gayle! Show us more!!



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Gaylart
01-16-2003, 06:32 PM
:p Rose Queen, your too kind! Thank you. I just started, so when I get some more done I will show you.

Gayle

artbabe21
01-17-2003, 12:20 PM
Gayle......fabulous job!! I like folding pages and cutting them too!!
Somehow I always make my spreads matching or flowing into the other like you have...:)

Laura Brito
01-18-2003, 05:34 PM
Waiting patiently to see more! Wonderful work!

Laura:)

Gaylart
01-18-2003, 09:11 PM
Cathleen and Laura,

Thank you! I have found that having one page carry over to the other looks so much better too. I have some I did separately and they don't look as good. I will try to get more done! It's hard to get good pictures of the pages too.

Gayle

artchic
01-21-2003, 09:55 AM
Hi,
I was just wondering if color copies are used in latered books..I'm concerned with the ability of the paper to withstand time

Carole

artbabe21
01-21-2003, 10:47 AM
Originally posted by artchic
Hi,I was just wondering if color copies are used in latered books..I'm concerned with the ability of the paper to withstand time


Hi Carole....I use color copies ALL the time in my altered book pages, but do prefer to use toner copies{from the copy shop} rather than ink jet, for I think they will last longer.
But I have ink jet copies in a few books which are several years old and are fine. It's mainly light that will fade the color so inside an altered book they have a MUCH better chance of surviving...

artbabe21
01-21-2003, 04:56 PM
Here's more pages using color copies in a friend's book I have been working in...

artbabe21
01-21-2003, 04:58 PM
Enjoy!

artbabe21
01-21-2003, 05:03 PM
the right side if the spread...

artchic
01-22-2003, 09:11 AM
Cathleen, I love the use of the glasses!...I am working on a 'beach' book..i just neeed to find some more pics which is why i asked about the color copies..I have tons of pics i took over the years of the beaches near by


Carole

jenrou
01-22-2003, 02:26 PM
Originally posted by Jeanne Minnix
its great to stay connected with this site.

im so isolated from the creative world sometimes. i like the idea of taking a class. i just saw kelly kilmers work in somerset. that's wonderful that you are in a place where she's available to teach!!

Richmond is extremely conservative. the artists are here but in pockets and there are no book artists around that are out of hiding. there was one class offered at the Hand Workshop here in town that was about visual journaling and it had one person sign up-so it was canceled. i think these classes just need proper advertisement because the folks i talk to about it all sound very interested. thanks for reminding me of the benefits of working with other artists. im going to shop around for a class today!

if anyone is interested in passing along altered books as part of a group project, im very interested. i've heard great things about this process and would like to do it. its when one artist passes their art in a book along to another artist and that artist adds to it, then passes it along.
jeanne

Hi Jeane,
You are correct about connecting with artists in Richmond. I also live in the suburbs of Richmond, and have the same problem. I've also tried the Hand Workshop, but ,,,,,
I always end up driving somewhere else to meet up with an artist. Don't know why, but it's different here. There are some good artists around here, too.

I've never tried journaling and book altering, but perhaps it's a good time to try it. I can't watercolor right now because of hand co-ordination problems. This is probably a dumb question,,,but what do you do with the altered books after you finish them?:p (Forgot to say, they are beautiful!)

Gypsy, I'm still dreaming of someday going back to your area to paint!

Gypsy Baubo
01-25-2003, 08:29 PM
Gypsy, I'm still dreaming of someday going back to your area to paint!

It really is just so beautiful here. Of course, at the moment it is also frigid (9 this morning.) I was down at Niles beach this morning and the waves are frozen about 20 feet out. I took some photos out by the lighthouse with my regular camera so whenever I get them developed I'll post one.

In the mean time, jenrou, here's a little reminder for you:

jenrou
01-25-2003, 11:00 PM
:clap: :clap: What a view (and photo)!! I don't think I've been more impressed by an area as Gloucester and Rockport. (You can keep the cold, though.:D )

artchic
01-30-2003, 09:06 PM
This is my first altered book.....its called "Beaches"..this is one of the spreads.....I tend to paint more than collage

artchic
01-30-2003, 09:06 PM
This is my first altered book.....its called "Beaches"..this is one of the spreads.....I tend to paint more than collageCan someone tell me what I'm doing wrong..I can't seem to post any images..my AOL icon just keeps spinning...I followed the directions from this site..Help!
Carole

jenrou
01-30-2003, 10:54 PM
I am unable to help you, Artchic. Maybe my message will help get your message back to the top, so a moderator or guide can help.:D


Artchic needs help, please.:D (Posting from AOL.)

artbabe21
01-30-2003, 11:18 PM
Have you ever uploaded before? At the bottom of your post you click on browse and it will take you to your documents where you have stored your jpeg, click on it to open it and it will fill in the box with the information, then submit reply. Remember it can only be 500x600 or you can load a photo with the uploader at the top of the post page which will give you a URL to place in this post box. That's what I know, not sure how the AOL thing is different, or is it?

artchic
01-31-2003, 08:12 AM
Thanks guys,
Maybe my image is too big but I 'm new to my scanner also and I haven't figured out how to change the size of my pic once it is in My pctures folder( this comes with MS2000 automatically)
I'll keep trying...again THANKS for the replies:) :) :)

artbabe21
01-31-2003, 11:00 AM
Originally posted by artchic
Maybe my image is too big but I 'm new to my scanner also and I haven't figured out how to change the size of my pic once it is in

When you have tried to load the picture did you get a message that the image was too large? Do you have software program like photoshop, paintsho pro? You can open your photo in these and change the image size. If you'd like to send me the photo I can try to reduce it for [email protected]

artchic
01-31-2003, 08:21 PM
Hi Cathleen,
I don't know what software came with my scanner.....all the cd says ishp photo "& imaging software...I don't have Photoshop or Paintpro...I also didn't get any message that said my image was too large..but I was able to insert a pic into a friends e-mail with no problem.....so maybe I can send you the pic via mail..I;'ll give it one more shot and let you know
Carole:confused:

artchic
02-03-2003, 06:54 PM
Hio, itys me again, and I am going to try to post my book againI lowered the reso;ution and shrunk it also

jenrou
02-03-2003, 08:34 PM
Hi Artchic,
I've heard some people say there is something AOL users need to do, but I don't know what it is.:crying:

Have you tried the "attach file" and browse your hard drive, then click on open (your photo) then submit? It is located at the bottom of this message page (when you send a message). The photo needs to be saved onto your hardrive in a file where you can locate it, and saved as a .jpg type file.

Don't give up. If that fails, leave a message in the computer forum asking for help from somone using AOL.:D

maxdawn
02-04-2003, 09:58 AM
I must say this is a wonderful idea....I have printed off this thread and am taking it down to our local library.....they are always looking for different ideas for art projects for the kids....and I plan on takeing it to our art club as well.........thank you for sharing this:clap:

artbabe21
02-04-2003, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by maxdawn
I must say this is a wonderful idea....I have printed off this thread and am taking it down to our local library.....they are always looking for different ideas for art projects for the kids....and I plan on takeing it to our art club as well.........thank you for sharing this:clap:

Oh, I am so thrilled this will be something you will take and share....children would really take to this!! I still love the fact it's something everyone can do and it's like a mini canvas to art on...doesn't take a lot of time to complete. I began with collages using magazines, then grew onto other things. These books have been becoming quite popular among the book artists & with books coming out with examples & ideas it will continue to grow...

This was my very first thread after I joined WC last March...and it's still going! Glad it's been informative to so many...:)

maxdawn
02-04-2003, 10:25 PM
I can not tell you how excited I am about this.....I joined the alteredbooks on yahoo.....I have a book I have a theme....
"Empty Nest of Memories".......my youngest of 6 kids just left home....I am gathering pictures and things she left behind, ie: pieces of her Stuff...lol, school projects..kindergarden through 12....and a wonderful letter she wrote me years ago.....hair dy lables you know the blues, pinks and purples.....I will put this in the empty nest of memories and send it to her as a mother to daughter gift....thank you thank you thank you....this is wonderful......

artbabe21
02-04-2003, 10:29 PM
maxdawn....good for you! that's a really great group and i was in it for a long while...have fun!!

Rose Queen
02-04-2003, 11:36 PM
Maxdawn, there's also another Yahoo group you might want to join, called ABalteredbooks. A lot of the members are the same between groups, but not all, so it's worth joining both. There's also an inkjet_transfers group that you might like at Yahoo, depending on what you want to learn.



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artchic
02-06-2003, 12:36 AM
I think I've got it!..I was able to upload my pics onto the alteredbooks site so I'll try again here

artchic
02-06-2003, 12:42 AM
Oh well, I got a message that the image was too big so its off to the drawing bd again!..Thanks everyone for your help
Carole

artchic
02-06-2003, 12:54 AM
Cathleen,
Where do you get your Ehpermera(spelling??) I actually read about someone who scavanged parking lots and landfills...I don't know about anyone else but picking up that type of stuff from landfills is going a bit too far....all I can think about is how "germ ridden" a landfill is....yuck!!!!
Carole

artbabe21
02-06-2003, 09:37 AM
Originally posted by artchic
Where do you get your Ehpermera(spelling??) I actually read about someone who scavanged parking lots and landfills...

Actually I trade with other artists, buy some on eBay, antique stores, find some, like in Paris I got brochures, tickets on the ground or laying around & they weren't bad BUT being Parisian it didn't matter!When I go on a trip I find lots of brochures, newspapers, etc. Have copied family photos, birth certificates, etc to use. Antique postcards from Paris 1900's is a fave of mine to use...old books have good photos, text in them too...I'm rambling...

WIW I love your beaches pages! Very cool.....great job!! You are doing well!!

artchic
02-06-2003, 02:28 PM
Thanks Cathleen for your kind remark..the scan is kind of blurry though..the sand is actually SAND from the beach and the two white spots on the 'path' are real seashells..I'm going to try and load another page..I've shrunk it again but I can't seem to get back to the menu i used for the first..so here goes

artbabe21
02-06-2003, 03:22 PM
Looks like some collage, rubber stamped words, what else? Love the real sand idea in your beaches!! COOL...

artchic
02-07-2003, 05:44 PM
The background is painted with acrylics, the word "beaches" is from stick on letters i bought...

I've been looking for games in the thrift shops and I've found some..great collage pieces

Carole

maxdawn
02-09-2003, 05:19 PM
Well I finished my first alteredbook. I don't think you want me to post all 8 pictures so I'll just put in the cover....so two post verus 8 lol first one is the front

maxdawn
02-09-2003, 05:22 PM
Here is the back

artbabe21
02-09-2003, 08:33 PM
Beautiful job Maxine!! Love your covers....didja have fun???

Carole...yep, thrift shops provide
so many great things for our art!!

maxdawn
02-09-2003, 08:48 PM
:clap: I had a wonderful time.....now I have alteredchairs, walls, cellings all kinds of stuff dancing through my head.....this is Tony the Tiger GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

artbabe21
02-09-2003, 09:00 PM
oh, DO post some of you pages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please?

maxdawn
02-09-2003, 09:33 PM
hope these are small enough

maxdawn
02-09-2003, 09:34 PM
is there no way to put more then one at a time in a post???

maxdawn
02-09-2003, 09:35 PM
I so like this book

maxdawn
02-09-2003, 09:36 PM
are you sure this is no over kill.........lol

maxdawn
02-09-2003, 09:37 PM
proud I am of my new found joy

maxdawn
02-09-2003, 09:38 PM
What can I say....I have this need to say see what I did like I am two ....lol.................sorry....won't happen again I promise

artchic
02-10-2003, 08:55 AM
Cathleen,
Do any of the pages in your friends book have sentinemtal meaning such as the numbered tags (I know the photos must have )....it was great!

Maxdawn,
What is the title of your book? I liked the idea of adding items to the photo already in the book.....neat!

My last pic was of Point Pleasant Beach, NJ My daughter loves the roller coaster(Tornado) so I just had to put in my book!..The ttransparent pic of the candy I got from a magazine..I used packing tape to make the transfer..its a fun process

Carole

artbabe21
02-10-2003, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by artchic
Cathleen,Do any of the pages in your friends book have sentinemtal meaning such as the numbered tags (I know the photos must have )....it was great!


Carole...Yes, I usually choose images with special meaning and the number I use are number important to me so it's all symbolic!!

Maxine, great job on these! I love all the dimenisional things you have used! Also love the tin looking Christmas wrap around the central pictures...super look plus a peep hole into another world...keep up the good work!!

maxdawn
02-10-2003, 11:49 AM
well it is far off from my theme that I was going to do, but I just got into this one, I am calling it
Frames With Things...

Simcha
05-27-2003, 10:25 AM
Hi, I'm new to WC and to Altered Book Art. It's so wonderful to find other artists who find old books as raw materials. I have rescued prayer books that were on their way to being buried (a tradition in Judaism) as a means of disposal. Of course, altering a prayer book is a major NO-NO, which is why I'm doing this type of art.
Since I am new, I have a ton of questions.
:rolleyes:

maxdawn
05-27-2003, 10:50 AM
Simcha, I am fairly new to alterbooks myself and it is addictive....if you are interested the is a site on yahoo that is just about altering, I recieved a lot of info from these wonderful ladies....they are friendly and think the only stupid question is the one not asked....you need to join but it is free..here is the link it

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ABAlteredBooks/?yguid=127009339

just copy and paste
Maxine

artbabe21
05-28-2003, 03:37 PM
Sorry I haven't had time to answer, I am on vacation at the moment. I will be glad to help you out with any questions soon as I get back this week end!

I used to belong to the altered book group at yahoo & you can learn quite a lot there!

Rose Queen
05-28-2003, 05:21 PM
Originally posted by maxdawn is there no way to put more then one at a time in a post???

Why, yes, there is! Use the uploader and just paste in as many links as you need. http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53060

I'm glad you posted this -- the images are really beautiful, Maxine!



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Ann*S
07-01-2003, 09:32 PM
I am really not sure that I am happy to have discovered this artform. I am supposed to be torching, that is making glass beads, lampwork, it is called. I will find a way to do these things together. I am so inspired! Thank you all. I love everything you've shown and I have just spent an hour or more checking all the links. Very exciting!!!!
Thank you...thank you....I think!
Ann

artbabe21
07-01-2003, 09:50 PM
just wanted to mention that there is a new book coming out ( I have some of my pages included in it) any day now by Holly Harrison called
Alteredbooks, Collaborative journals & other adventures in bookmaking
Amazon has the information...if anyone is interested...should be chocked full of ideas, pictures, etc!! This is pretty much the first book written about altered books!!!
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1564969959/qid=1057110265/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/104-0477995-2526339

Silly Goose
07-02-2003, 10:07 AM
I am so happy I have found someone who has heard of altered books!!! I wanted to do some sort of 'scrapbook' of our relationship but I didn't want to do the typical 'scrapbook'. You know we artists have to be different. ;) Thats when I came across altered books. But I couldn't use just any book. One day while digging thru a stack of books at a garage sale I came across the perfect book, titled "The Greatest Love". For a quarter I was on my way. I have been since journaling our life together with stories, photos, and other tidbits that are all significant reminders of our great love story.
I do hope others catch on to altered books because it is a terrific way to make the book completely yours from cover to cover.

artbabe21
07-02-2003, 10:52 AM
Oh.....wow, your love story in an altered book...that is the best!
Thanks for sharing the idea!! I love how you can document events and do pages at your leisure...what fun...and seeing others works in altered books spurs on new ideas for everyone...:)

Simcha
07-02-2003, 11:14 AM
Oh, my!
I've been interested in Altered Book Art for a while- did my first piece (see Altered Book 2 on this forum) this year.

I used to work at a Jewish Ed agency and saw old prayer books, destined for burial (disposal of sacred materials). I rescued them and have tons of ideas for altered books, using the prayer book as a theme rather than creating a different subject.

I will check out the websites you listed.

P.S. I really enjoyed your art!

:D

Silly Goose
07-04-2003, 08:00 AM
Everyone has those recipes just laying around on bits of paper right? I found an old cookbook of uninteresting :rolleyes: recipes at a garage sale and decided to jazz this thing up by altering it with my great :p recipes. This cleared out a pile of snipits and also gave me the snazziest cookbook around. There are so many possibilities with altered books. Get your imagination running and theres no end to what you can create!

Silly Goose
07-04-2003, 08:04 AM
Artbabe.... if you could just read the love story!!!! Maybe I will publish it! LOL

Cassiepeia
08-17-2003, 09:54 PM
Wow!!! I have never been so inspired by anything in my life. This is a fantastic art and one I can't wait to participate in. I've just spent 2hrs on this thread while looking up websites and picking my jaw up off the floor everytime someone post an example of their altered books. I love it, love it, LOVE IT!!!
I knew there was a better alternative to trashing my old, unwanted books and here it is!

:clap: :clap: :clap: Some applause for all those who posted their work! It's AWESOME!!!

Cass.

artbabe21
11-12-2003, 04:26 PM
It appears that altered books are growing in popularity....this link goes to a gallery opening/exhibition of some friends of mine who had an altered book collaboration published. It's called True Colors and is published by Stampington that puts out the magazine, Somerset Studio. Enjoy the close ups of pages in the book too. Lots of good ideas!!

http://www.creativeartspaceforkids.org/exhibits/book-art/book-art-exhibition.htm

Chelle in MS
01-01-2004, 02:52 PM
I'm new to WC and not even sure I'm doing this right. Altered Items and Collage are something I am just getting back into...used to do Collage many many moons ago.

Maxine... I used to live in Kitimat, my youngest son was born there :-) I also lived in Kemano for a year. I lived in Kitimat from Oct. '83 to Dec.'84 What a small world!

Michelle (aka Chelle)

artbabe21
01-01-2004, 03:01 PM
welcome to WC Michelle! Lots of good stuff here to see--eye candy! :)

Chelle in MS
01-01-2004, 03:07 PM
I'm going cross-eyed from reading posts but loving every moment of it! I've just joined 3 more yahoo groups ( I'm on far too many but can't give them up ;-)).

I've really enjoyed all of the links you've shared here !

Michelle

maxdawn
01-01-2004, 09:41 PM
Wow you'r not kidding it is a small world. Special when you think of this end of the road town and I meet someone who use to live here on WC. I have been in Kitimat since 1977 both my son and daughter were born here in 81 and 82. They may have gone to the same school. I am not sure which Yahoo groups you have joined but I am a member of ABAB and a moderator in abc.
Nice to meet you Michele.
Maxine

Chelle in MS
01-01-2004, 10:17 PM
We lived in Kemano until Jan. '83, then lived in Butedale (on the Princess Royal Island) and ran a Marina for a year then lived in Kitimat. My youngest son was born in July of '84 and my Husband (ex now LOL) wasn't able to find work so we sold everything we owned and took a train to Ontario where I was born and raised. We only made a few friends in Kitimat and lost touch with them years ago. We lived on Partridge, then on Drake until we moved. I've been sitting here trying for the life of me to remember some landmarks but I've got sometimers and the ole memory isn't what it used to be. One of my Gal Pals used to run an Insurance Agency and another was the manager of the KFC and her Hubby ran the Radio Shack. I don't even know if they still live there. It's been a looooooooooong time!
I know what you mean by "end of the road town", it was culture shock for me at first, having moved there from Toronto, Ontario LOL
I joined ABalterebooks on yahoo but don't know of one called abc.
Have a great night!
Michelle

Gypsy Baubo
01-02-2004, 09:19 AM
We are discussing doing an exhibit of altered book art at the art association I belong to this summer. Has anyone participated in or been to one? I wonder how well received such a thing would be.......

artbabe21
01-02-2004, 09:57 AM
Read my post 2 posts back on this page...I gave a link to an opening of one with photos etc.

InkFaerie
01-03-2004, 12:03 AM
Hello everyone!
Im new to WC and this seems to be an awsome board. If you look at my bio... Im not an artist, but I pretend to be one!
I have been peering in on this thread as I have participated in an altered book round robin before. They are very fun and rewarding (if you get your book back :-( -yes I have not gotten my book returned yet and this swap was taking place a year ago already... I know who has it, I will have to pester her and get it returned ) It is a great way to get your creative juices flowing again and a way to pick up new techniques!
What we did was the Round robin hostess took the sign ups and then made groups of 6 people as this was a 6 month project, so you had 1 month to alter 3-4 pages in each book. It was not necessary to do the same 3-4 pages in each book unless you wanted too, it did keep it simple for months when you were over loaded with other responsibilities. The first month was a bit scary because of not really knowing what exactly you should be doing but they progressed nicely! I think the best part of the round roubin was seeing each persons book as it came to you.
when this round robin was started, book types were discussed. Many decided to use a blank 5x8 inch Journal with heavy weight water color paper they purchaced at Barnes and Noble just to have a uniform size and make it easier for anticipating shipping as we agreed to use the USPS Flat Rate boxes. I have been picking up books for future altering at local bookstores on the dollar tables. I think its fun to find a printed book and use either the title or inside photos or illustrations as basis for the theme. So far I have collected a book on Barbie that I thought i would theme " favorite childhood pastimes", a and several others... maybe this thread will inspire me to start altering those babies!

artbabe21
01-03-2004, 12:10 AM
Happy you landed here for your first post.....this was my FIRST thread back when I joined! Who knew it would grow so large?

Altering books is such a great way of arting, that one small page to alter as you see fit. Glad you are enjoying it & good luck with the RR's.....I hope the postal rates always going up don't thwart people from doing them. I sure treasure mine.

Bendaini
01-03-2004, 12:37 AM
Originally posted by TeAnne


It's funny but I feel the same as Sassybird. Even though I can appreciate the beautiful artwork gone into these books, I couldnt bear to mark one intentionally. I don't even 'lend' my books lolol
It breaks me up when ever I borrow a book from the Library and find that someone has Underlined a passage in ink. *arghhhhhhhhhh*

I'm somewhere in the middle.

I buy some books specificly for the purpose of underlining and marking up, writing notes and such. books that I am learning something specific from.

But I am also a great collector of books, having several very old ones and some not so old that I hold as part of my treasures. I don't bend the backs of my paperbacks either.

I also see that these altered books are getting rid of a lot of books, therefor driving up the price of my collection.. So it really is a mixed bag.

InkFaerie
01-07-2004, 11:45 PM
Thanks for the Welcome to WC Cathleen!
If anyone feels funny about using a book, try using a blank journal or making your own... or... what about an old map book for a travel type theme... the kind you get in the drugstore or something like an area guide (i.e. in our town we have books with apartment listings in them, they are free.) Most of the books I pick up are on the dollar table and I really dont have an interest in the subject in the book. One book I picked up is a small book, about 4"x4", it is like one of those little joke books, it's titled "things im afraid of" on the inside, the pages are pretty much blank, a one line fragment sentence in a scribble font and a crude stick figure. I thought this would be fun to alter, and im sure it wont make it on to the bottom of the top 1000 books of the year! Another book I might alter that I dont hold sacred is one of my husbands... how to be a better golfer book!

Bendaini
01-08-2004, 12:44 AM
"things im afraid of" on the inside, the pages are pretty much blank, a one line fragment sentence in a scribble font and a crude stick figure.

That sounds so interesting InkFaerie. I hope you show us when Your done. Or even some progress pics.

MeikaM
01-28-2004, 02:59 AM
I joined here a few days ago and this is my first post. This is also the first thread I have read entirely from start to finish. I did my first altered book a few months ago and now I am addicted. The first one was a trial by fire and I learned alot about what NOT to do but I'll always keep it since it was my first. I saw mention of nervousness.org a few times in here. I'm a member there too. One of these days when I finish the cover and first pages of the book I just started I'm going to send it out to some people there to see what comes of it. It will be my first collaborative altered book and I can't wait to get it out into the world. :)

artbabe21
02-01-2004, 01:35 AM
welcome to WetCanvas Meika...so glad you are enjoying the excitment of altered books! Can you upload some pages to share?

Shari
02-01-2004, 09:30 PM
Wow I love this thread!!! Artbabe, I too have been published in Somerset Studio. I did the article on Cold Laminate Collage. I love that magazine. I recently took an altered books class and learned a lot. I have been making art journals for awhile now, but I am very slow to work on them. I would love to share in this altered book thread with everyone.

Jeanne, your art work is awesome, thanks for directing us to your website.

I am going to try to post a couple things here that I posted in the past, but that's all I have downloaded for now. I will post more soon!!!

Shari

MeikaM
02-04-2004, 03:59 PM
welcome to WetCanvas Meika...so glad you are enjoying the excitment of altered books! Can you upload some pages to share?


I dont have a scanner but I can take some pics with my digicam. They don't usually turn out as good as scanned pics but I'll give it a shot. :)

MeikaM
02-04-2004, 04:17 PM
Okay if this works these are some pics of my very first book.

The cover and all the spreads:

MeikaM
02-04-2004, 04:20 PM
One more and a question. What do you use so your paint in the center of the spread doesnt stick together and then peel up?

Gudrun
02-04-2004, 05:56 PM
I love mixed media...BUT: I always hear about altered books..no idea..what is that..I have the feeling that I must give it a try...
Gudrun

MeikaM
02-04-2004, 06:32 PM
I love mixed media...BUT: I always hear about altered books..no idea..what is that..I have the feeling that I must give it a try...
Gudrun

I'm not so good with words but I'll give it a try. An Altered Book is a book of any size shape or construction that you change to reflect whatever you like. It's sort of a combination of assmeblage, collage, and scrapbooking. Anything you use in other forms of art can be used in an Altered Book. You can use rubber stamps, clip art, paints, watercolor, miscellaneous ephemera, found objects, metal bits, you name it! You can add pages,fold pages, cut out niches in pages, cut the enitre book into a different shape. I could go on for days. You just take a book (I like hardbacks from the thrift stores) and decorate it any way you like. :) hardback books that are sewn seem to hold up the best.

Here are some links you can look at:

http://www.suite101.com/print_article.cfm/7131/91378
http://www.joya-arts.com/altered_books.htm
http://www.littlebit.com/gallery/altered01.html

Sue Galos
06-16-2004, 09:31 PM
OH BOY! I've just become another AB junky!!

MeikaM - I'm using Future floor polish :D I read about it in the yahoo groups

I stumbled onto AB's in the fall of 03 looking for ideas for a craft course I teach. That grew to an activity for that class as well as my involvement with in 2 RR's in the last 3 months. I may never paint again! (except in a book - lol Coincidentally, I had also damaged my right hand in the spring and COULDN'T paint - not with any control anyhow)
Interestingly, the first book I bought was the one you recommended Cathleen. Now I'll have to look through it to find your work. It was also how I found the Yahoo alteredbooks groups and other interesting links.

Here are the cover; intro; sign in page and my own spread in the 2nd AB RR that heads out on it's fledgling tour next week.

artbabe21
06-16-2004, 09:44 PM
wow Sue! I love your pages!!!!!!! :D What did you use on that cover? Cellophane wrinkled up??? Terrific looking whatever it is!

Believe it or not, this was the first thread I began when I joined WC!! :)

lisilk
06-16-2004, 10:07 PM
Glad to see this come back up as there's been discussion about altered books lately.

Sue- Those rock ! I love the first esp.with the sun- face. Great color and texture.

Sue Galos
06-16-2004, 10:08 PM
Thank You both! that's a real compliment coming from the two of you!

Cathleen, I used gel medium or texture paste (I forget which) and wrinkled tin foil, ontop of which I rubbed liquid acrylics and interference acrylics. The face thingy is a ceramic brooch that had broken - added on with the medium - I think it WAS texture paste.

Sue

MeikaM
06-16-2004, 11:47 PM
Sue that cover is really something! I love it. :) I've never tried floor polish. I wonder how well that would stand the test of time? Hmmm........*lightbulb*

I forgot to mention that i started and completed my very first AB RR. My book turned out really good. It's a lot of work hosting but it was fantatstic and I want to do it again. Right now I'm getting started on my book for the Seven Deadly Sins. I got the idea while doing the RR and it stuck with me so I figured I'd give it a go. When and if I ever finish it I'll post it here.

Its good to see another AB fan show up. Its been so quiet in here I was kinda bummed.

artbabe21
06-17-2004, 12:09 AM
Meika, sorry that I missed your beautiful work on your AB.....now that we can read messages from the computer I don't always get all my updates. Aren't they just great fun!? :D

MeikaM
06-17-2004, 12:27 AM
They really are. The possibilities are endless. I'll never buy a blank journal for art journaling thats for sure. ::

Kat Gilland
09-10-2004, 10:59 PM
As mentioned you alter a great deal or most of the pages. Do you remove others to acommodate the increased thicknes? If so do you prefer to cut or tear them out?

KAT

artbabe21
09-11-2004, 12:49 AM
As mentioned you alter a great deal or most of the pages. Do you remove others to acommodate the increased thicknes? If so do you prefer to cut or tear them out?


Kat......welcome to WC and the mixed media forum...:)
I carefully tear out about every 3-5th page depending on how many are in the book. Sometimes I even glue two pages together to make them stronger, which also deletes the number of pages quickly.

Penny220
09-11-2004, 07:45 AM
Kat......welcome to WC and the mixed media forum...:)

Welcome Kat

Pilan
09-19-2004, 03:28 AM
Hi all, I just caught this discussion and had to post. I have been working on my altered book for a few months yet. A local gallery is doing an altered book show for the visual artists organization in my town. This is my first altered book and did not know what I was getting into. :eek:


I found a wonderful book call The Golden LAdy. Well the book should have been 1 to 2 inches thick but instead is about 3 inches think....

it has been a nightmare gluing alll those pages together.

The show is in October, and I won't be done with it. But, since I will not be done with it I am putting up a yellow plastic tape and making a little sign.

The sign is going to say, under Construction and have two little silhouette men with shovels on the sign.... I was raking my brain for something clever and think this may work.

does anyone else have any suggestions?

thanks
P

Catheline your designs are great!!! :wave:

Mary Woodul
09-21-2004, 12:10 PM
Cathleen, Your taste in altering books is exquisite, they are beautiful.

I also have the same feelings that Rose Queen, Sassy, Te Anne and Bendaini have about books. I am also a book collector and when I come across a pressed flower or a card with reflections or dedications, the book becomes sacred to me and I want to be the protector of whatever inspired those findings. I also believe a book is a document of history but this project is so tempting that I might not have any qualms about altering a recent hardback novel that is not very good in a literary sense. I will have to check out all of those wonderful sites that have been posted in this thread. I think the thread that Rose Queen posted about stamps can be a great help to any mixed media artist. Altering books is probably a good way to display and protect so many small paper collectables, the way you have done in your books.

Applauses to all the other artists that have shared there work here, this thread is really one that you have to read and see slowly. I have been trying for the last past week and it gets bigger and bigger. I'll have to add all those wonderful links to my favorites to enjoy one by one.

Pilan I think your idea is very creative and would go over very well.

Again, Cathleen, congratulations on those beautiful books.

nonamac
09-22-2004, 03:57 AM
My first response to the question "Altered books anyone?" was Oh No! Another Full-On art form -- surely I was doing too much already? But when an idea's time has come for me, it pursues me relentlessly...

I began my first AB on the Spring Solstice (which comes a tad earlier Down Under due to the pear-shape of the earth) and cannot get over the sense that at LAST I have an outlet for my creative impulses that encompasses ALL my arts! I am painting, yes, but sculpting, writing, collaging, stamping, digitizing, hunting and gathering...I am having the Time of my Life!!!

Thank you all for the peeks at your ABs and the gorgeous web sites -- hope I'll have something to share soon!

Shari
09-22-2004, 04:15 AM
I love reading through this thread. Does Future Floor Polish smell bad? I would love to try it because it is supposed to work well on polymer clay also, but I can't handle toxic smells.

Shari

Wanderlustart
09-28-2004, 03:40 PM
I will refer you to a web site of a friend, who put some of my pages up from my Paris altered book theme----these are only pages I have done, before I sent it out.
www.art-e-zine.co.uk/cathleenperkinsart.html

Hello, artbabe,
This is my first visit to "mixed media" and AB, BUT certainly won't be my last. I think these things are wonderful!
Whenever we travel I always purchase a piece of local art as my souvenier, and this year purchased an assemblage in Phoenix, and another in St. Augustine. Looking into other works by these artists introduced me to their altered books, and I am absolutely fascinated.

Your pages on the website link are so beautiful ... thank you for sharing them. It's obvious this is a great place to come for inspirational ideas on many levels.

Thanks again,
Patricia

artbabe21
09-28-2004, 11:48 PM
Thanks so much Patricia....I hope you get inspired to begin one of your own. I love that each page is a mini canvas to do whatever you please on!! :)

MeikaM
09-29-2004, 06:25 PM
I hope some of the folks who have just discovered AB's will post pictures of your pages for us all to enjoy. :)
Lately I've found that working in several books at once is ideal/ Instead of imaptiently waiting for pages to dry you can set the book aside and pick up another book thats ready to go. Constant rotation is the key. :lol:

nonamac
09-30-2004, 07:16 PM
...Lately I've found that working in several books at once is ideal/ Instead of impatiently waiting for pages to dry you can set the book aside and pick up another book thats ready to go...
LOL!! It never even occurred to me to work in only one book at a time -- I bore quickly and have several books in progress though I have not yet completed one! :D

Does anyone else have this problem? Mostly I select books whose titles appeal to me, but I have "lost" several of my faves due to friends and spouse "rescuing" them because they are old favourites, or, worse, first editions that I was about to Re-create! Now I try to stick to Reprint Society or library editions.

MeikaM
09-30-2004, 10:53 PM
Ive been lucky so far and havent altered any books that turned out to be worth money or anything. I usually buy mine at the thrift for pennies or at library sales so I dont have to worry much. I do know a person who tore pages out of a book for a collage only to find out the book was worth a few hundred bucks. She's was horrified. :eek:

I have a question for everyone. Are any of you altering books as gifts for the upcoming holidays? I'm thinking of making a Christmas one for my sister.

nonamac
10-01-2004, 01:28 AM
Ive been lucky so far and havent altered any books that turned out to be worth money or anything. I usually buy mine at the thrift for pennies or at library sales so I dont have to worry much.

I bought mine at a local antique shop for NZ$1 each (66 cents US!) and there were STILL two first editions among them...low price is no certainty!

I have one book I want to do as a gift, but Christmas is too soon as I have not yet determined the number of pages I will make.

MeikaM
10-01-2004, 12:56 PM
Yikes! :eek: I always assumed they would check the books beofre getting rid of them. I guess I'll have to start scrutinizing them myself before I buy them.

Dallen
10-01-2004, 02:16 PM
Just my opinion
This horrifies me, it is one step up from bookburning.
Done in a blank book it would be very interesting as cuties craft project. Done with an existing book I think it is disrespectful, wasteful and arrogant.

Dallen

MeikaM
10-01-2004, 03:09 PM
Just my opinion
This horrifies me, it is one step up from bookburning.
Done in a blank book it would be very interesting as cuties craft project. Done with an existing book I think it is disrespectful, wasteful and arrogant.

Dallen

You're absolutely right. Better to let the boxes full of unwanted books at the thrift stores and libraries end up at the bottom of a landfill. :rolleyes:

Leigh
10-01-2004, 03:21 PM
Dallen, I know what you mean. Or, at least I used to know what you meant until I tried to sell, and then give away some of the billions of books we have. These are not outdated books they are just not books I am interested in anymore.

No one would buy them and the used book stores (yes, that is plural) wouldn't take them. I tried to donate them to our local library to put on their shelf or sell at their book sales, I tried to donate some relevant books to related organizations . Even the Salvation Army told me they couldn't take them! There just seems to be a book glut. I just can't find a good home for them. They sat in my last basement and they sit in my new basement. I just can't throw them away but NO ONE wants them. I have hauled them all over the place. Different places have even offered to throw them out for me but noooo, I take them home and, yes, I put them back in the basement.

I don't have the heart to alter them as they are not outdated and SOMEDAY, I may find them a home. There are a lot of outdated and damaged books that do end up in the trash. I never realized how many books are thrown out in the trash by libraries and used book stores until I went on the quest for a home for my books. Altering is a second life for them. :)

huskerdont
10-01-2004, 04:15 PM
It breaks me up when ever I borrow a book from the Library and find that someone has Underlined a passage in ink. *arghhhhhhhhhh*


I love books as well, but I actually enjoy seeing what other people who've read the book before me have underlined or highlighted or jotted down in the margins. I find it interesting...

MeikaM
10-02-2004, 01:17 AM
Me too. If it isnt obvious why a passage is underlined then I like to sit and imagine why the person found it so compelling. Were they reading the book for pleasure? Hoping for some kind of message or epiphany? Maybe they were doing a book report. I ponder the endless reasons why a person might underline a certain passage. I try to imagine what kind of person they might be.I wonder if they liked it enough to jot it down in a journal or maybe share it with friends and family. It's almost like a game. :)

Dallen
10-02-2004, 01:48 AM
Dallen, I know what you mean. Or, at least I used to know what you meant until I tried to sell, and then give away some of the billions of books we have. These are not outdated books they are just not books I am interested in anymore.

No one would buy them and the used book stores (yes, that is plural) wouldn't take them. I tried to donate them to our local library to put on their shelf or sell at their book sales, I tried to donate some relevant books to related organizations . Even the Salvation Army told me they couldn't take them! There just seems to be a book glut. I just can't find a good home for them. They sat in my last basement and they sit in my new basement. I just can't throw them away but NO ONE wants them. I have hauled them all over the place. Different places have even offered to throw them out for me but noooo, I take them home and, yes, I put them back in the basement.

I don't have the heart to alter them as they are not outdated and SOMEDAY, I may find them a home. There are a lot of outdated and damaged books that do end up in the trash. I never realized how many books are thrown out in the trash by libraries and used book stores until I went on the quest for a home for my books. Altering is a second life for them. :)

Faye, you make a good point. I have alsao carted books home after having them rejected by the loical library and goodwill. Maybe I should rethink this "2nd life" thing for some books.

Dallen

nonamac
10-04-2004, 04:49 PM
I have also carted books home after having them rejected by the local library and goodwill. Maybe I should rethink this "2nd life" thing for some books. Dallen
Hooray for you!!
I like to think of myself as a Book Renovater... I grew up with a tremendous respect for books and would NEVER Deface one; the books I select to Renovate as art are injured, unloved, and homeless -- and I am fortunate that I have friends who will take the first editions I find and give them good homes.

Aren't we fortunate to live in a time when books are so plentiful that we have come to regard some of them as disposable? Amazing.

artbabe21
10-05-2004, 01:23 PM
Just my opinion
This horrifies me, it is one step up from bookburning.
Done in a blank book it would be very interesting as cuties craft project. Done with an existing book I think it is disrespectful, wasteful and arrogant.


Dallen,
While you are certainly welcome to your opinion I think that calling 'altering a book' disrespectful, wasteful & arrogant, that would end up in a heap somewhere or in a book burning because nobody wants them is just plain silly.

It's giving a book that nobody wants a new life, a treasured one at that because it's someone has taken the time to give it a new look, a better one and many of these books end up in gallery exhibits rather than on some dusty shelf or moldy basement. Also it's far from merely a craft, it's art! :)

artbabe21
10-05-2004, 01:31 PM
Apologies to Sue for not acknowledging your answer on how your did your cover--thanks! I haven't been getting some of my updates on new posts.

Also thanks to Mary & Pilan for your nice comments! :wink2:

pampe
05-22-2005, 07:01 PM
ALways a plesaure to re-read this beautiful thread!!!

Mary Woodul
05-22-2005, 08:13 PM
It's good that you popped it back up. It will be usefull at this moment. :D

Pars
05-22-2005, 08:38 PM
Yes, so much pleasure and so timely, Pam. :evil:


ALways a plesaure to re-read this beautiful thread!!!

artbabe21
06-02-2005, 11:07 PM
Ya know I so enjoy looking at all this cool work...I'm back to doing it again, taking a break from painting. I love how portable this is & spontaneous!!

Hi ya Pam & Zoe!! :)

artchic
06-04-2005, 01:35 AM
I don't think what i do when i alter a book is 'defacing' it. I don't use 1st editions, new books, or valuable books I use books that are 'unwanted' and give them a new life. I think if you gave it a try you may change your mind......

whimsygirl
06-12-2005, 11:57 AM
I like to take old things and give them new life. Please visit my web site:
http://karenswhimsy.com/altered-books/ for photos, tips, and techniques for creating altered books.

Drumbeat-trish
06-12-2005, 02:00 PM
Hi Karen - I thoroughly enjoyed looking round your website. What lovely work !!!!!!! :)

stlukesguild
06-12-2005, 03:55 PM
This horrifies me, it is one step up from bookburning.
Done in a blank book it would be very interesting as cuties craft project. Done with an existing book I think it is disrespectful, wasteful and arrogant.

I suppose at some level I can understand this. Altered books, collage, assemblage all involve the destruction of something already in existence prior to the creation of the new work. But then again... what of this:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Jun-2005/39499-ital7388.JPG

Bernini's great baldachino in St. Peter's was constructed of bronze stripped from the interior of the dome from the Roman Pantheon...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Jun-2005/39499-pantheonsmall.JPG

Or what of the beautiful churches in Ravenna:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Jun-2005/39499-San_Vitale.JPG

Many of these (and numerous other early Christian churches were constructed from marble pillage from Roman works.

And then we have this painting:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Jun-2005/39499-Last_judgment.JPG

It was painted over older Frescos by artists as well-known as Botticelli.

And what do you make of an artist like Cornell:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Jun-2005/39499-cornell.medici-princesssmall.JPG

or Rauschenberg:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Jun-2005/39499-00323057.jpg

... Both create art out of a vast array of what is essentially the refuse or discards of our consumer culture.

Now I am not championing the destruction of the past to make way for the future... but I do accept it as a fact that most art involves "destruction" of a sorts as well as creation. How many trees are felled in order that we might have the paper we draw on or the stretcher bars for the canvas we paint upon? How much is mined and how much grown to provide the raw materials for paint, canvas, ink, etc...? And do we need discuss rabbit's skin glue, sable, badger, or hog's hair brushes?

I personally define myself as a bibliophile. I have a library of 2000 maybe 3000 books. I have some books which I have collected solely for aesthetic reasons: the way they look... the binding... the beauty of the text... Yet, in spite of my love for and respect for books, I make a great deal of use of books as a raw material for my work:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Jun-2005/39499-48-FallenAngel2.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Jun-2005/39499-Forge_and_Hammer.JPG

Some have suggested that I might simply use handmade papers or some such thing, but the fact is that I am very enamored of the look of the paper in old books AND I am very concerned in creating an art that alludes to old books... texts and to the fragmentation and loss of the cultures of the past. My decision to use books and the process I employ is essential to what I am trying to convey. As others have suggested, I see such an art as something of a resurrection... a giving of new life to an object which has been abandonned or discarded. I don't intend this in an egocentric manner... suggesting that my work is better than what went before. I hope that my work always says something about loss and fragmentation and mortality. I have used some quite old books but I am well versed enough never to destroy something of real value (unlike the Chapman Brothers and their act of cannibalizing a suite of Goya prints). Nevertheless... I can still understand the reluctance of some to accept such art. Its somewhat like the act of graffiti. Perhaps that is what lends a sence of tension to my work (at least I feel such as I work)... this feeling in the back of my mind that there is something of an act of desecration here.

stlukesguild
06-12-2005, 04:20 PM
Speaking of books... altered books... book arts... and obsessions with books... you might check out the following:

House of Books (http://www.liviodemarchi.com/casauk.htm)

lisavollrath
06-13-2005, 08:08 AM
I've been altering books for about four years now. I have a large gallery on my site, filled with books I've done, here (http://www.lisavollrath.com/cgi_bin/album.pl?album=ab), and a bunch of technique articles here (http://www.lisavollrath.com/articles/).

lisavollrath
06-13-2005, 08:14 AM
This horrifies me, it is one step up from bookburning.
Done in a blank book it would be very interesting as cuties craft project. Done with an existing book I think it is disrespectful, wasteful and arrogant.


On the contrary: saving a book from shredding by turning it into an art object is the ultimate sign of respect.

artbabe21
06-13-2005, 11:46 AM
Lisa, a warm welcome to WC and the mixed media forum!! :wave:
Thanks for adding your technique...what a generous thing to do! I've bookmarked it as it's the most comprehensive site for this info I have seen. I am going now to look at your books.

Yes, there ARE so many books that what we do in using some books that would otherwise be destroyed is a GOOD thing! :)

cindy5937814
06-17-2005, 10:05 AM
Just a suggestion: Used bookstores sometimes have a box outside for books that they can't sell. These discards make grand altered books and definitely no one wants them. Another good idea is large print books--great for highlighting certain or special words. Cindy Trobaugh

pampe
07-06-2005, 10:41 AM
Well...I finally did my first...needs some tweaking...but here ya go:


Entitled......I dream of Asia


OPEN
Covers
Page 1
Page 2
PAge 3

pampe
07-06-2005, 10:43 AM
PAge 4
Page 5
close up of one attached card
close up of India page

C and C appreciated

artbabe21
07-06-2005, 11:04 AM
OH........PAM!!!!! These are such exceptional pages! I knew your talent for comp, color, etc would come out. These are quite beautiful and isn't it JUST the most fun? I love these small canvases. It helps when I can't be painting~ They are treasures! :)

Jakeally
07-06-2005, 11:33 AM
Wow Pam ... these are just terrific. You have been having fun and what a result.
I recognise some of the papers because Zoe sent me some. Aren't they just wonderful. You use them in such a clever way and have such a good eye for what goes with what to make a really interesting image.
Very well done :clap: :clap:

pampe
07-06-2005, 11:42 AM
LOL....thanks, Chris....you got a ZOE CARE PACKAGE too.....LOL

THanks, BozeBabe

I am becoming more and more addicted to this work....did I show you my MEMORY TIN?

Pars
07-06-2005, 12:20 PM
Pam, terrific work (and a Zoe package item that is quite recognizable). Love how you've done these. Inspiring. Perhaps I'll finish the one sitting on my desk (at work) or the one on my table (at home) :evil:

Need a push like your great work to make me get busy. They can be addictive!

And more? Love these!! :clap: :wave: :cat:

And BozoBabe, what a kewl name for Cath? :D

Jakeally
07-06-2005, 12:52 PM
No ... I don't think you did show us your Memory Tin Pam. Would love to see it.

pampe
07-06-2005, 07:48 PM
ok, Chris...you asked for it

...show and tell

altered journal
memory tin (in honor of my daughter, Jessica who died)
altered journal...ASIA (cover)
back
open



Zoe....Cath is my neighbor to the SOuth....*wink*

Pars
07-06-2005, 07:54 PM
Lovely work, Pam and I like how you used that card in the book. You are rocking with ephemera :D

And that altoid collage looks smashing. Do you have a barbeque? Sure ya do. Drop those little guys into the fire for awhile and boy do they come out perty. :)

And, yup I knows the Cath is from BozMAN; never heard her called anything but Cath in our journal lives :evil:

Mary Woodul
07-06-2005, 10:23 PM
Pam your altered book is very inspiring and your tin is a gorgeous tribute. Your creativity is unlimited and the colors you choose for your work, just perfect. Thank you for sharing them.

Jakeally
07-07-2005, 03:06 AM
A beautiful tribute to your daughter Pam and thank you for sharing all your work. I find it totally inspirational.

Little Old Lady
07-07-2005, 08:09 AM
Pam these are great.
Your creativity know no bounds. Whatever you attempt (and it is a lot) turns out wonderful.
JoAnn

pampe
07-07-2005, 09:57 AM
thanks, JoA, Mary and Chris....I am honored by your words

artbabe21
07-07-2005, 10:12 AM
Pam...such a beautiful tribute (so very sorry for your loss)...a treasure. Thanks for sharing this work! Looks like a revival. Maybe I'll share some newer pages too. :)

pampe
07-08-2005, 09:35 AM
I hope you do, BB

artjunkie101
07-26-2005, 10:40 PM
Yes, I love altered books! In fact, I came back to WetCanvas for the sole purpose of seeing if anyone had links, etc. with more info. I just finished one for my boyfriend for our one-year anniversary. It's supposed to be a 'recipe for a relationship' with a semi-cookbook theme. It was a blast to make and it was "fun" enough that he actually showed it off to all his guy friends without embarrassment (and inspired one of them to possibly make his own!). The best part is, I had pages left over afterwards, so there's still space to add more pages as more things happen. I'm also working on making a book into a clock and altering another book with a planets theme.

I've found that a good source of books is the bargain shelf at book stores, as well as the inexpensive hardbound line of classics that some book stores have (Barnes & Noble comes to mind--I just bought a cheap copy of The Count of Monte Cristo to make into the clock). However, I'm also working at the local library right now, pulling old books off the shelves to discard, so I'm keeping an eye out for potential candidates there too.

I'm glad to see so many other people who also love this art form.

PS: Re: destroying old books, I was at first hesitant to show my dad my projects, since he's a librarian and I was sure he'd think I was "desecrating" the books or something.

Piratess
07-26-2005, 11:25 PM
:wave: Hello Artbabe And Rose Queen,

I just started work on my first altered book - I'm using a blank journal and incorporating a theme. I just can't bring myself to multilate a printed book :( !

As the work progresses I'll upload some pix here, if you'd to see the results :o .

artbabe21
07-27-2005, 11:21 AM
WElcomre to WC artjunkie/Claire :wave: Please do post some pages for us!

Hello Piratess & welcome too! Good luck & have fun on this fiirst book. There are many terrific books out with ideas on altering which weren't available when I began this thread. Many of your library's have them. :)

jinn
07-28-2005, 08:51 AM
Cathleen,

Your work is beautiful, but I have a tiny critique/request for you. The page you linked to http://www.art-e-zine.co.uk/cathleenperkinsart.html has completely obliterated the tiny bit of text on it. I was trying to look at it, but because of the way everything is clustered together in the background, all I could do was close my eyes and close the page. :( It's near impossible to look at for very long at a time.

I think it's unique to that page, though, because once I took a deep breath and looked again, I saw the text and clicked through to a different page. You do indeed have some beautiful stuff there.

artbabe21
08-01-2005, 07:53 PM
Thank you Jeanette! :) Sorry I didn't respond sooner but I've been out of town. I'll have to take a look at that web page. Haven't in a really long time. A friend of mine hosts it & didn't even know if it was still there.

Show us some of yours!

jinn
08-02-2005, 08:10 AM
No probelmo. :) I just thought you'd like to know.

As for altered books.. I haven't actually done any yet. :D I may at some point, but I've got way too much on the plate for right now. Beautiful stuff, though.

artjunkie101
08-02-2005, 10:08 PM
I finally have some decent pictures of a few of my altered book pages, so here are my favorites (from my only completed book so far).

This is the inside spread. The theme of the book was "recipe for a relationship," which is why I'm talking about basic ingredients. And his thought bubble isn't meant to imply that his head is similarly empty...I just haven't thought of something good to put in it yet.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Aug-2005/27920-one_boy_one_girl.jpg

For this spread, I scanned CDs that we both like (copyright violation, I know...) and surrounded each CD with a few lines from one of its songs.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Aug-2005/27920-a_few_good_songs.jpg

When I finish the clock book I'll probably post a picture of that too.

pampe
08-10-2005, 06:44 PM
I got a bunch of board books and amstarting to do some local TOURIST interest books....MOntana, etc


WIll post photos later

QUESTION

How do you get your pages trimmed neatly on the edges

I am using an ezacto or scissors and getting frustrated

artbabe21
08-10-2005, 06:52 PM
Pam....I always use a scissors to trim along the edge where the overlapping paper meets the page. The board is usually thicker than paper so it's pretty easy to trim off.
Sometimes I have torn the page to go beyond the board or existing page. Then add paper to meet it on the back & trim it w/scissors.

Look forward to seeing your pages! :)

Pars
08-10-2005, 06:56 PM
I generally use a scissors, with a metal ruler to guide me, but also use an Xacto if it is very sharp!

And, Pam, if you have one use one of those rubber cutting boards under the edge--it gives better traction.

Pam....I always use a scissors to trim along the edge where the overlapping paper meets the page. The board is usually thicker than paper so it's pretty easy to trim off.
Sometimes I have torn the page to go beyond the board or existing page. Then add paper to meet it on the back & trim it w/scissors.

Look forward to seeing your pages! :)

drewlinart
08-25-2005, 08:30 PM
Hi, :clap: you're all gorgeous artists. Thank you for sharing.
I've just found your forum, and I'm still back in 2002 when you started. SO much fun stuff ! I'm a new member to Wet Canvas (relatively) but a very old member of the collage/bookarts/altered books world. I have been doing collage up here in Montreal for over 10 years, and am now in the process of, well actually, two things: finding ways to display my booksarts, from tiny altered 10cent books to large coffee table sized handmade and hand bound books. I also do assemblage and box arts and see that I could combine them, somehow. Any ideas ?
I am also starting to explore art sites and trying to muster up some courage to do a web site. Wish me luck and I will share with you as soon as...
:wave:

Jakeally
08-26-2005, 04:32 AM
Hi drewlinart :wave:
Its great to have you join our merry little band :D Welcome to WetCanvas! and I really look forward to seeing some of your work.
Good luck with the website ..... not an easy job but I'm sure you will do it :cat:

quirky
08-27-2005, 10:34 PM
Hi Drewlinart,
I am also looking forward to seeing your work. Do you sell it? I am getting involved in book art also, but I don't see much in the way of venues to sell it. There seems to be a gallery in Brisbane, but nothing in Sydney.

artbabe21
08-29-2005, 07:07 PM
welcome drewlinart, please do share some of your work when you can! :)

Wendy...there is so much time & emotion involved in these I couldn't bear to part with one! How about you?