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alfredart
07-24-2006, 12:25 AM
Hey guys and gals, welcome to…

BASIC 102 - CLASS 6

Portraits in three-part harmony…
add a little color to your life”.

First of all I want to say Welcome. I’m really glad some of you chose to sit in on this class.

Let me start this off by saying to ya all… I ain’t no teacher. But, I’ll show you what I do and how I do it. If you have any questions along the way, I’ll do my best to answer them for you. If you run over the two weeks of this class… it’s okay… I’ll be here with you.

Okay, let’s get started!

I trust you all have picked up the items that Jay-D and I have been talking about right?
Good.

Now lets take a minute and go over a few items.


WHAT YOU NEED:

First thing is… the pencils…

Here’s what Derwent has to say about them…
This highly expressive drawing instrument has a soft beautiful creamy texture. Not unlike a very soft wax crayon, Derwent Drawing is produced in six earthy colours. Ideal for nature and life drawings.
Derwent Drawing has a unique, creamy texture producing a rich, velvety finish. Ideal for life and nature studies, the newly expanded colour range includes soft greens, blues and grays as well as traditional sepia tones.
·A 8 mm diameter pencil with a 5 mm waxy strip.
·Available in 24 beautiful colors ideal for life and nature studies
·The creamy extra wide strip encourages loose, expressive tonal drawings.
Okay, I know some of you are scratching your heads and wondering about the colors you haven’t see in the stores where you got yours. The 24-color set in only in the UK right now and have not made it into the US. as far as I know. But for now we don’t have to worry about those anyway. Right now we’re only going to use three.


I’m sure you all have played with them a little already to see what they’re all about. The large core is soft and creamy which is the reason you need a hand sharpener as they will dull real quick. Which means it you want to get any detail at all with these you will sharpen these puppies every two seconds or so. (ha) But as your read above “The creamy extra wide strip encourages loose, expressive tonal drawings” Key word being “loose” here folks. “Expressive tonal drawings” is another key point. The good part of these pencils is the fact that they cover quickly so you can cover a large area fast.

Next the kneaded eraser… You can use to erase your graphite sketch lines and to highlight your portrait. If you already have one of these it probably looks like this.


I have a hard time keep a hold of these as I have a dog that steals mine when ever he get a chance and chews on it. One good thing, he keeps it cleaned for me. (ha)

Okay, as far as trying to erase any of your Derwent work… don’t make mistakes because these bad boys don’t erase well at all. They smear and you end up tearing up the tooth of the paper. When you try to go over it then it discolors and it’s about that time that I tear the piece up and begin again. You can use your eraser to lift some of the color but that’s about as far as you can go with it. Also, don’t get any water on your work. These pencils don’t play nice with water.

Okay, pencils, eraser and… oh yes the hand held sharpener. Reason for this is you’re going to sharpen a lot so you want one handy. Another is that these pencils won’t fit in most electric sharpeners and they won’t last long if you use one.

The paper… I use Strathmore Drawing Paper, 18X24 when I work with these. A couple of reasons…
1. It has the tooth for them.
2. It’s not a bright white paper so the sepia tones look really good on it.
3. It’s cheap! (Real good reason, that should be #1)
4. You have to draw big. Remember the loose part? If you want to get any detail at all with these ya gotta go little larger.

Now you can use any paper except anything that’s smooth. They don’t work well on smooth. They need that tooth to pull the wax onto the paper.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jul-2006/37195-a.jpg

Okay, here’s my setup along with a pencil extender. I get all the miles I can out of these pencils.

Alright, now that we have that part out of the way…


FIELD TRIP!!!!!!

Sorry, there won’t be a field trip. I did a couple of searches on the net for artists who use Derwent Drawing pencils. Only thing that came up was me.
We could be breaking new ground here guys.

Now I did find a new product that you might want to check out. It’s called Zest-it and it’s used for blending Derwent Drawing pencils. I haven’t tried it yet (but I plan on it) you can check it out at… http://www.jacquiblackman.co.uk/blending.htm

Okay, before we start I want to show you what you can do with these and the range you can get with these pencils using them the way that I hope to teach you.

These were done using 3 colors.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jul-2006/37195-jetli.jpeg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jul-2006/37195-tg5.jpeg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jul-2006/37195-micheal.jpeg

The next one was done using 4 colors. I’ve added Chocolate to the palette.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jul-2006/37195-jd.jpeg

This one was done by replacing the Venetian Red with Chocolate. So it’s still 3 colors, but what a difference.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jul-2006/37195-dylan.jpeg

You can draw them light…

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jul-2006/37195-jeanette.jpeg

Or layer them and make them dark…

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jul-2006/37195-tiger3.jpeg

Or try adding a background using 1 color to give a whole new effect...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jul-2006/37195-jagger.jpeg

These are a few ideas of what you can do with these pencils and the values you can achieve with them.

CLASS ASSIGNMENTS:GETTING STARTED

I would like to break this class down into three parts as follows:

1. Getting used to the pencils. (Drawing practice pieces.)
2. Doing a portrait of my choice. (I get to pick one for us all to do.)
3. On your own, doing a portrait of your choice. (Having fun with it.)



Okay, the first thing we want to do is get used to how these pencils act, see how they work, see how they cover, see how they blend. So, with that in mind I would like you to do a few quick pieces. Anything you want, it can be a coffee cup, a vase, and egg… you get the idea, anything you want, even color fades and layer overlaps.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jul-2006/37195-b.jpg

I’ll give you a hint when using these and we’ll go over again later on in the class.

To start with use a light touch. Draw with light layers, it’s much easier to do than one dark layer. You may go over a section several times to get the tone or value that you want. But that is better than getting it too dark and not being able to do anything about it.

Start with the Brown Ochre as your base and lightest color as you’ll be working from light to dark. Then start shaping and adding mid tones with the Terracotta and finish off with the Venetian red.

Okay, ready to start? Go for it and I’ll check back with you tomorrow so post what you’ve done.

Most important… have fun.

Again, welcome.

Peace,
AL

"J"
07-24-2006, 02:09 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jul-2006/84176-practice_drawing_pencils.jpg

I hope this is what you wanted.

Striver
07-24-2006, 04:23 AM
Les signing in, post later
Les

Mary Woodul
07-24-2006, 07:07 AM
Good morning Al and class. This looks wonderful, I am so excited and ready to go. Thank you for this class!:)

Anita Murphy
07-24-2006, 07:11 AM
Good morning Al - great class! :clap: Going to get to this as soon as I get home from work!

Hi Early birds!!!!

Judi1957
07-24-2006, 07:15 AM
Morning Al! :wave: I can't wait to get home from work to start!!!!!! :clap:

Sumariel
07-24-2006, 07:23 AM
Good morning Al, I am a bad girl. I don't drive, and have not been able to convince anyone that I desperately need the pencils you are trying to teach us to use. Gads!

I do have a question . . .is there any chance in the universe that Conte pastel pencils would work similarly enough that I could attempt to follow along until I get to the store?
Suzi

Charlie's Mum
07-24-2006, 07:55 AM
I'll try to keep up Al!
I'll have to use different colours though - I bought a 12 tin on Saturday and these colours aren't in - all I could get! Bummer!
Never mind - it'll just look funny ;)
Can't get Strathmore paper here either - so have good stuff ... costing me a fortune (but I'm a happy bunny!!!) :D

JayD
07-24-2006, 08:21 AM
Al, I am in--I have to break away from job of building pointless paper mache' pyramids but I got my stuff and I think I have my ref picked out for the next phase of the class but I will definitely start tonight!!

Sumariel
07-24-2006, 09:05 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jul-2006/82344-Exercises.jpg

Al, I don't think these are going to give me the same effects, as they are chalky rather than creamy. I am getting some interesting things from them, though. I will keep playing until I can get a ride to Michael's for the right media. This is still fun. Thanks.
Suzi

mmdm
07-24-2006, 09:16 AM
Good morning Al classmates! I just got back into town so haven't gotten my pencils yet, but I am going to try Hobby Lobby for them this evening. I'v got my coupon ready.

IslanderNL
07-24-2006, 11:06 AM
I'm trying to work, eat lunch and draw all at the same time! :rolleyes:

LOVE these pencils, they're so smooth and silky.

Hi Mary and Judi and Anita, I'm glad you'll be here too. :wave: :wave: :wave: Oops, nearly missed you Jay! Hi!:wave: Wonderful that you'll find time to do this. You know, seems I'm still waiting on a finished portrait from you....:evil:

Suzi, can you mailorder the pencils from somewhere local? Most stores will do that if you ask and you'd have them in a couple of days then.

What colours are in your set Maureen? We can only get the earth tones here. Perhaps you'll have a wonderful blue or green image instead.

JayD
07-24-2006, 11:11 AM
Well, Jeanette--I owe robin, anita, gavin, Mike etc... class assignment as well as an article and a Maxfield Parrish reproduction--aaaaargh!!!!! Hopefully, this restructuring that I am dealing with now will settle down in the next couple of weeks--and your portrait is at the top of the list--you have a beautiful face.

mauricar
07-24-2006, 11:44 AM
Doodles -

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jul-2006/71456-stuff03.jpg
These pencils are interesting. Very, very soft and buttery. I'll keep playing until class tomorrow.

alfredart
07-24-2006, 11:57 AM
Hey guys,

Jeanne looks like you used a scanner. These colors don't reproduce well even with a camera. Hmmmmm. Looks like you've got the right idea. Can't wait to see you when we start the portrait tomorrow. So for now... play.
Hey Les glad to see ya found us.
Mary you're gonna love these pencils. Wait 'till you do fur, their great.
Anita hey, Glad you made it.
Judy I'll be checking in later, can't wait to see what you've done.
Suzi Shame on you for not shopping. (ha) The Contes look abit soft. Looks like you've got the right colors however. I hope you find the pencils soon. If not you can play catch up later.
Mum Hmmm... green or blue faces??? All the same you will get used to how the pencils work and what can be done with them.
JayD I can't wait to see what you do with these.
Jeanette I'm glad you like these pencils. I've fallen in love with them and have used nothing else for ten years now.
Midge You slipped in on me. Looks like you're having fun already. Try working on getting even layers this will help with the portraits.

Remember all, work with light, even layers and build up the the tones you want.

Keep playing and posting guys. Tonight after I get home from work I'll post the next section of the class. This is when the fun starts all.

Peace,
AL

IslanderNL
07-24-2006, 12:08 PM
Here are a couple of my practice pieces from early this morning and lunchtime today.

Can't wait to see the next part Al. :)

You're such a smoothie Jay :) Thanks. I'll pick a number and wait...lol

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jul-2006/67422-derwent_sketches.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jul-2006/67422-derwent_puppy.jpg

alfredart
07-24-2006, 12:38 PM
Love the puppy, looks like you're getting a grip on these pencils. Good job!

Peace,
AL

JayD
07-24-2006, 12:46 PM
Al, I can't wait either (sigh)--I've gotten really rusty. Jeanette! I dub you "Mother Duck"!

cmwynn
07-24-2006, 01:28 PM
I'm here, if a little slow. I have the "stuff", but not enough time today. Hope not do drag too far behind.

Mary Woodul
07-24-2006, 01:58 PM
Al, you were right I love those pencils! I'm afraid I didn't darken my values enough but I was afraid to push too hard.

Jeanette, the puppy is so cute!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jul-2006/43096-102-5-1.jpg

danna23
07-24-2006, 02:27 PM
Hey all... I've been watching and reading quietly in the background but am now ready to jump in. I've never worked with these pencils, it's quite a change from colored pencil and graphit. I'll keep playing today as time permits, this class should be fun I'm off until Aug. 21, then I go back to work and I have no free time.

I can tell the paper I used had to much tooth, so I'll do some more playing on some less toothy stuff, I bought the right paper but I didn't want to use a whole sheet for playing around .

Everyone is doing great.:clap:

IslanderNL
07-24-2006, 02:49 PM
I love my duckies Jay! :)

Thanks Al, I just need to use some decent paper now. My sketchbook won't hold many layers. I have some good stuff at home.

Mary, aren't the pencils wonderful to draw with? Your pear looks so juicy and fat. Its great.

Hi Danna, nice sketches with the derwents. The tooth does look a little strong but I agree why waste a whole page for doodling.

alfredart
07-24-2006, 03:59 PM
Connie, hi, jump in when you can... no hurry.

Mary, nice, very nice. Don't be afrait to go darker. Like with CP's Lightly layer to get there. Very nice indeed.

Danna, looks like you use a vellum bristol. I went throught that, good effect. You're on the right track with this. I can't wait to see what you do with a portrait. Love the tree.

Peace,
AL

"J"
07-24-2006, 04:19 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jul-2006/84176-practice_drawing_pencils_darker.jpg

Jeanette - I didn't know you had puppies too. You have all the fun stuff. I love puppies. By the looks of the garden, geese, puppies, and a job, don't know how you have any time to draw.

Al - I have a camera but don't really like the photos as much as the scanner. I put my scans into my Photosuite program and darken them and resize, etc. I can make them darker if you need me to. I am attaching the same pictures that I made darker.

Striver
07-24-2006, 04:23 PM
I am off at last, pencils are differrent for sure, guess you cant sketch with graphite first, then color or the lines will show. Why dont i try it?
Incidentally I picked up some burnt ochre and Terracota pencils in the wide lead like the carpenters wide pencil have them as well as the slim one's.
Cheers
Les

Striver
07-24-2006, 04:26 PM
what an awful scan
Les

Netty
07-24-2006, 05:09 PM
I managed to find the pencils yesterday shopping, although I could only buy the set of 24, as they do not sell them individually, but I am not complaining as its a great excuse to have more of these lovely pencils, they are so yummy!!!!

So it is early Tuesday morn here and just logged on to see what excitting work is here for us to do!!!

I couldn't find the strathmore paper here down under so have found another good drawing paper with tooth.

piggies in mud!!!! off to draw!
Netty ;-)

IslanderNL
07-24-2006, 07:05 PM
No, not my puppies Jeanne. This was one of the references from the All Media Drawing Event and it was too cute to resist. I haven't got a dog now since my old one died last year. This image makes me want to go get one though! :)

Les, great sketches. I do find that this medium doesn't scan very well. It looks quite grainy. Perhaps Al can give some pointers on the best way to get a good image with these pencils.

Lucky you Netty, to have the full set. What other colours are in the full set? Pity we can't get them over here yet. Or not that I've seen anyway.

*Deirdre*
07-24-2006, 07:07 PM
Now I did find a new product that you might want to check out. It’s called Zest-it and it’s used for blending Derwent Drawing pencils. I haven’t tried it yet (but I plan on it) you can check it out at… http://www.jacquiblackman.co.uk/blending.htm

AL
Al - I'm really sorry I cant join your class at the moment...but I intend to ASAP.:D However...I did find another blender which works well with the Derwents.... http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jul-2006/33616-blender.jpg
Good luck to all you lucky people doing the class!:wave:

mbeckett
07-24-2006, 07:18 PM
Hi Al! thanks for doing this... :)

i have had some derwents for a while, and did a couple of furry critters a while ago, but have never tried anything like a portrait with them... so here goes. i'm not sure i'll make it all the way thru this... i'm heading out of town in a few days for a week, but i'll see what happens.

i tried them out on a hand study from a reference that was posted in the D & S Monday challenge a while ago. It's on 9 X 12 strathmore drawing paper and took about 1/2 hour. very different animal than any other pencil i've tried. i got a little heavy handed with chocolate on this one... big jump in tone from the lighter shades... making mental note...lol.

I'm anxious to give a portrait a try, even though they are not my favorite subject.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jul-2006/45731-HandStudyDerwent.jpg

roger41
07-24-2006, 08:30 PM
Great class AL,
I'll jump in sooner or later........for some reason I've been having trouble finding some derwent pencils.....maybe it's because all the kids are about to start back to school here were I live, (they start early here).......lots of art supplies needed:D


Roger

janine9620
07-24-2006, 08:51 PM
Hi Al, I do wish to join in, but am unable to get my pencils till later in the week, can I play catch up?????? janine

Judi1957
07-24-2006, 08:56 PM
This is one popular Class! Way to go Al!

Jeanne-Nice sketches-nice egg!

Les-Ditto on the sketches-like the egg!

I love your duckie and puppie Jeanette!

Mary-Beautiful pear!

Dana-nice sketches-good work on the eye too!

Mike-great hand!

These pencils take some getting used to. Like the feel of them though-just not used to the softness.
This is a lil ceramic hand painted mouse from my collection.
Going to do some more tonight.

Anita Murphy
07-24-2006, 09:21 PM
I think I have completely got the wrong end of the stick here and am trying to use these like CPs. Along with eggs that look very odd! Oh well, maybe it will get better!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jul-2006/58769-IMG_3805.jpg

"J"
07-24-2006, 09:42 PM
Judi thanks, your mouse is cute.

Anita did you use the brown for your shadow?

RWSewell
07-24-2006, 09:44 PM
Not used to the touch and feel of these pencils - keep having to remind myself these are not Prismacolors...these are not Prismacolors...

Also not used to working without burnishing. I miss my tortillions!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jul-2006/81425-100_0192.jpg

With the money I saved with my Michael's coupon, what better place to put it? Took this picture at night, not the best quality. At least I didn't spill any birthday cake on it!

I will probably repost this tomorrow when the lighting is better. -Rob

Anita Murphy
07-24-2006, 09:46 PM
Jeanne - I am a great believer in using every colour in the box! :p so yes it is the chocolate brown.

Rob - think I need to take on that mantra too "These are not Prismacolors!"

tyree
07-24-2006, 10:06 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jul-2006/65063-pears.jpg i so wanted to darken it with my graphite:evil: ...everyone is doing some very very nice sketches:thumbsup: ...tyree

"J"
07-24-2006, 10:12 PM
Anita, the brown looks good on there. I didn't use it on the one I posted but did on my second practice.

You guys are all so good already. That piggy is adorable.

mmdm
07-24-2006, 10:20 PM
I found the pencils! Hobby Lobby didn't have individuals, so I had to get the $20 pack of 12. I'm sure if I can learn to use them I will enjoy having the extra colors, though. Got some Strathmore drawing paper too, though it doesn't look like it really has much tooth. I'll play with the pencils as soon as I can get everyone else off to bed here.

A question though. If these don't erase, how in the world am I supposed to do a portrait with them? It always takes a lot of editing to get my portraits right. Can you sketch them in graphite first, or do you just have to be good enough to get it right the first time. If it is the latter, I am in over my head! :)

bock
07-24-2006, 10:36 PM
These pencils are really a new experience. I also think they feel like Prismacolors and so wanted to burnish. I tried many layers and went back with the brown ocre on top of everything and found it still covered well. Love the buttery feel, but can see it will take some practice to use them the way Al does. I did discover that a magic rub eraser will lift a good bit of color off and all of it, if it is not too heavily applied yet. Also experimented and found they do smear. Have fun everybody!
Pat

blindhorse
07-24-2006, 11:03 PM
Alrighty, quick doodles to get the feel of things. (These are not Prismacolors, these are not prismacolors) Think I finally began to get it a little. Wish I had more time to devote but have an early meeting in the am. Hope this will do for now, Al.

cmwynn
07-24-2006, 11:04 PM
I skipped an important business letter and did this instead. Much more fun. I don't have much experience with colored pencils, that might be a plus here.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jul-2006/29839-Derwent_practicexm.jpg

JayD
07-24-2006, 11:13 PM
Hey, Great! Dee, I have those blenders--got a bunch I use with my colored pencils. Everybody looks great and all are zooming. I will be here tuesday with bells on(I need the ringing to keep me awake...zzzzzzzzzz). This is very exciting. Got to get to work drawing.

Danna, I like the texture you got with those sketches on that paper--what paper is that?

Bock! Whoa! Nice effects!

Anda G
07-24-2006, 11:26 PM
Man. Y'all are leavin' me behind. :envy: So many good sketches.

I did a cup in terracotta. I don't have time to post it. I have a job interview tomorrow morning. :eek:

G'night.
Andagail

Anita Murphy
07-24-2006, 11:32 PM
Good luck with the job interview, Anda!

Jayd!!!! :wave:

JayD
07-24-2006, 11:40 PM
Hi, Anita--I DO I DOO love your egg!!!!! I am glad to see the that world politic has not hindered your participation--we would have missed you terribly!!:eek:

Anda--you are NOT that far behind--I just opened the box!!!:D

and for those of you who would like to see another demo by Al--here is an Al Jones exclusive blast from the past field trip--make sure you visit this demo--it is a must have:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=211338

Anita Murphy
07-24-2006, 11:47 PM
Jay - I am still in Mexico - will be leaving thursday at the crack of dawn - actually slightly before it! :rolleyes: I kept out my derwents and paper specifically for this class!

Ok I have been studying Al's drawings carefully - think I get it - I think........

danna23
07-25-2006, 12:06 AM
Jay... the paper I used was strathmore cold press watercolor 140 lbs. I have soooooo many different papers floating around here, I like the texture paper when I'm doing landscapes, but prefer the smoother look when it comes to faces. I've been playing with my pencils today, even did a bit a drawing outside while I was waiting for my daughter.

see you all tomorrow...

Sumariel
07-25-2006, 01:24 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jul-2006/82344-Exercises.jpg

Whoa! Got my pencils today, and Al, I think I am in looooooove!!!
Suzi

Striver
07-25-2006, 01:43 AM
Safe journey Anita
Enjoy
Les

Netty
07-25-2006, 03:06 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jul-2006/85966-derwent_pencil_practise.JPG

These pencils are so yummy scrummy I just want to eat them!!
On my cup I accidentally used yellow ochre instead of brown ochre......oopss!!!!

I have never used them before and absolutely love them . Sorry my pic is rather dark, having trouble with the light, on this gloomy rainy day.

For those who are interested the colours in the set of 24 are ;

chinese white, cool grey, warm grey, ivory black, chocolate,ruby earth,mars violet,venetian red,terracotta,sanquine,mars orange,sepia(red), brown ochre,wheat,yellow ochre,warm earth, olive earth,crag green,green shadow,pale cedar, smoke blue,ink blue,solway blue,light sienna.


They are so lovely and earthy. I am so looking forwards to this!!
Netty :p this little piggie loves this mud!!

"J"
07-25-2006, 03:25 AM
Well here is my drawing. I used the camera this time. When I scanned it, his skin looked too yellow.

I did a tracing for the outline. Wanted to make sure I got his parts right before I distorted them with my colors. I got my base coat (brown umber) too dark the first time. So he is really dark in the face. I couldn't get the highlights out with the kneaded eraser. Ended up using the battery eraser.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jul-2006/84176-P7240001.JPG

alfredart
07-25-2006, 03:33 AM
Jeanne Looks great.
Les Love yours. You can sketch with graphite. I'll explain in the next session.
Netty 24... Ohhhhhh.... you're gonna have fun.
Anita That thing looks like a hammer. (ha) Join in when you can dear.
Mike Great to have you join in buddy.
JayD I'll be waiting.
Janine You can start any time... I'll be here even after the two weeks.
Judi Love that mouse. Really looks like your got a handle on these pencils.
Anita (The other one). Great pair of eggs!!!
Rob Wow... love the bank. Looks like your a natural with Derwents.
Tyree Great pears.
Melisa The next session will tell....
Pat Thanks for jumpin' in here. Work looks good to me.
Blindhorse These will do fine for now. You're just learning what these penicls will do and how they do it.
Connie Lookin' good. Looks like you're ready to move on.
Suzi Great!! Glad you like them, wait untill you've used them for awhile... talk about falling in love.

All of you guys are doing so well... I'm proud of you all.

Peace,
AL

alfredart
07-25-2006, 03:56 AM
Okay, now that we’ve drawing everything but a portrait, I think it’s about time to start. What ya say. Like I said I want to do this in two parts.

#1: I want us to all draw the same portrait.
#2: You guys pick out your own portrait to draw.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jul-2006/37195-c.jpg


Here’s what I’ve picked out for you all is this portrait of a lovely girl who gives herself freely on the net. You can find her photos at …
http://lockstock.deviantart.com/gallery/ as well as a larger version of this one, the one we’re doing to do here. http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/24000480/



She has been all over WC as other artists have used her photos countless times already. If you get the time her gallery is well worth going through.

The first thing you want to do is the layout. Lightly sketch the subject with a graphite pencil. Once you’ve done this… the fun begins.

Go over your sketch with your Terracotta, refine and do a clean line piece. Once you’ve done this its time to use the kneaded eraser. Lightly go over your drawing and erase the graphite and you should be left with a good red outline of the subject. Don’t fear, the drawing pencil will remain. Remember I told you that they don’t erase well. At this time you should end up with something that looks like this.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jul-2006/37195-class2.jpg

Now it’s time to lay down the base for the skin tone. Using Brown Ochre cover the skin area. Try to keep this even as you apply. (The reason for the warm up sketches.) Do skin areas only.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jul-2006/37195-class3.jpg

Now that you’ve done that it’s time to start adding the mid tones. Going back to the Terracotta start laying a light layer down for the shadows and contours of the face. . Here to you can start working in some of the hair as well.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jul-2006/37195-class4.jpg

At this time you will want to go over some of your sketch lines as well to redefine. Once you’ve done this you can now layer more Terracotta to darken and shape your portrait. The main thing is that we’re building layers here much as you would use colored pencils.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jul-2006/37195-class5.jpg

A little closer…


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jul-2006/37195-class5a.jpg


By this time you should be coming out of the ugly stage and your portrait is starting to look like something. (Just a little red.)


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jul-2006/37195-class6.jpg

At this time also you want to lay in more of the hair starting with the Terracotta. And… if you want you can start laying in some of the background now is a good time to start that as well. I only use the Brown Ochre for the skin base. Everything else, background (if you choose), hair, clothing etc. is started using Terracotta. This will give the appearance of different colors and tone values within your portrait.

Okay, if you’re with what you’ve done so far you can move on to the next step. Here you will start laying in your darkest tones using Venetian Red. Here you will work from the mid tones to the darkest shadows. Work this stage as you did with the Terracotta, lightly at first adding more layers until you get the dark tone you want.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jul-2006/37195-class7.jpg

And a little closer…


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jul-2006/37195-class7a.jpg

At times you will find that you may need to increase your mid tones and may want to lay down another layer of Terracotta and then more Venetian red. This is something that you’ll learn on your own as you become more at ease with these pencils. Now at this time you are sculpting your drawing, rounding the edges and breathing life into it. Now is the time to work the whole drawing not just parts, pulling everything together.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jul-2006/37195-class8.jpg

See, I told you this was the fun part. Now all you have to do is keep pulling everything together. Find the right lighting and take a photo. (ha) Sorry, I have such a time getting a photo of my work. I think I found the spot... my kitchen. Here's what I ended up with. The image size is 14 X 18... see why ya need big paper???

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jul-2006/37195-class9.jpg


One last thing... when you finish and you want to highlights. Any old pencil with an eraser will do. You can erase enought pencil to give you some nice highlights.
Okay guys... go for it and I'll be back.

HAVE FUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peace,
AL

Anita Murphy
07-25-2006, 07:05 AM
Al this is superb! I've seen these ref pics - they are a delight! Can't wait to get started on this.

mmdm
07-25-2006, 09:10 AM
Drat! I opened up my new box of 12 Derwents and it only has 1 of the colors that I need.:mad: I can't get the individuals, so I played around with some of the other colors but it didn't seem like there was enough value contrast with any 3 of the earth tones. I might be able to get to a Michael's but not before Saturday and I don't want to wait that long to start so my gal may end up a very funny color.

Beautiful demonstration Al, but I have to say you could have picked an easier photo for portrait beginners like me! :eek: I'm not sure I can draw that with the tilted head and all that silky hair. On the other hand, it might take me until Saturday to get the drawing right and then maybe I will find the correct colors for her and she won't have to be an alien or something, LOL. I'll try my best though.

JayD
07-25-2006, 09:23 AM
Good choice for a ref, Al--I'm still trying to do the doodle that you do doodle like you do. She has a madonna like quality about her or a Joan of Arc maybe--inspiring photos.

Mary Woodul
07-25-2006, 10:29 AM
An excellent demo, Al and the reference is lovely. I agree with JayD about the modonna quality. I'm on my way to start this!:)

Hi JayD! I miss you, I know you are busy!:) :thumbsup:

Sumariel
07-25-2006, 10:39 AM
Ha!!! I had a "chat" with the model, her gallery is lovely, and I do not believe she thinks I can do this, but is willing, bless her, to sit in this pose as long as it takes. I am grateful, truly!
Suzi

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jul-2006/82344-Julie_doesnt_believe_it!.jpg

IslanderNL
07-25-2006, 12:06 PM
Beautifully done Al and a wonderful reference to use too. Thank you.

Time being of the essence for me this week, I did a draft of this at lunch - about an hour's worth of drawing. I will do it properly once I get home and do a transfer onto stonehenge paper then start again. The pencils do cover a lot of area quickly. I can see how you can produce so many great drawings so speedily using these. I think you have a convert. :)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jul-2006/67422-100_1111.JPG

mauricar
07-25-2006, 12:09 PM
I must be doing something wrong. While the picture is plain as the nose on my face, my drawing is ugly, ugly, ugly. I am not used to drawing so large, but that is not the reason. I can't seem to get a smooth layer at all. I am used to blending or using circulism. But this is soooooo different (for me at least). But I will keep plugging along... Midge

Judi1957
07-25-2006, 12:28 PM
Great ref Al! I love the pose and the look on her face. TY so-o-o much for the closeup of your work:thumbsup: -that will surely help. I am kicking myself for forgeting my art sack on the counter this morning. sigh-have to wait till tonight.

Edit-Very Nice Jeanette!!! I think I am going to use stonehenge too.

mmdm
07-25-2006, 12:34 PM
Jeanette - Yours is looking wonderful already!

mauricar
07-25-2006, 12:38 PM
Should I cross hatch?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jul-2006/71456-000_1305.jpg

Sumariel
07-25-2006, 01:04 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jul-2006/82344-Exercises_001.jpg

OK, Al, how many times are we allowed to start over completely before you consider us a complete failure? Like others here, I am unaccustomed to drawing without the ability to erase my mistakes, her nose is miles too long, and that is not the only error I see. Am starting back at the beginning, and hoping you, (and the model) will be patient with me. Thanks.
Suzi

Mary Woodul
07-25-2006, 02:10 PM
Wow, Jeanette when I was scrolling down I thought it was part of Al's demo. You don't surprise me, though!

Nice work, Midge and Sumariel.

Striver
07-25-2006, 02:29 PM
cant sleep so it's a 4am start bleary eyed as well.
What about the eye's all, talk to me do I give her red eye's or chocolat (Joke)
Life is a challenge
Les

Anda G
07-25-2006, 02:47 PM
Thanks, Anita.
I'm catching up, JayD!

Here is my assignment #1:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jul-2006/59007-cup.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jul-2006/59007-playaround.jpg

I have a question. What size is the portrait of Sophie? Should I get out the big drawing pad? 18 by 24 Inches?

"J"
07-25-2006, 03:18 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jul-2006/84176-lady_sketch.jpg

I have my sketch done and will transfer it to good paper and start my terracotta one.

alfredart
07-25-2006, 03:24 PM
Midge You can crosshatch, use circulism (which works very well when layering) just try to get it in even layers.
Les you'll be okay.
Jeanette wow, jumpin' right in there.
Suzi I'm always patient. Don't worry, you're off to a great start.
Anda The image size of mine is 14X18. You can work smaller but it does get harder to pull any detail at all from it.

You guys are all doing fine. One thing I see in everyones work is getting smooth layers. Most you you need to work on this. Light layers and build them up.

Jeanne Looks good but still a sketch. You to need to work on building even layers. By the way, been there done that...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jul-2006/37195-johnny.jpg

I'll check back with you all later after work.

Peace,
AL

Striver
07-25-2006, 05:30 PM
Well have had a crack and thinkits time to file it in the bin. Learnt a lot for the start. Main thing for me is get the line drawing right as you cant erase after on in process, hence the differrence in the eyes. Think I have been also a little heavy handed but whatever here tis, time to go out for the day now.
Enjoy
Les

IslanderNL
07-25-2006, 07:25 PM
By the time I got supper done and things sorted it was too dark to do a transfer to the stonehenge paper so I fiddled with the draft that I started. I think it was good to do this as it gives me a chance to work out the bugs and realize what I need to do on the real drawing to make it work.

Yes, getting the original drawing down pat is the trick with these as once down, there's little going back to correct. And they are rather like coloured pencil, building layers and creating a smooth (hopefully) surface.

Anyway, here's the experiment. Tomorrow its on to the real thing, but I'll still be practicing with the pencils tonight.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jul-2006/67422-derwent_girl.JPG

janine9620
07-25-2006, 08:23 PM
Okay here is my line drawing I just couldn't wait to start(still no pencils), I sketched it out on computer paper just to see if I could get her down on paper, hmmm... now how in the &*!#@ am I going to do that again on big paper!!!!! She seems a bit long, I"ll work on tweaking her while I wait for my pencils ..... janine
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jul-2006/71776-Project5.jpg

mbeckett
07-25-2006, 09:04 PM
Wow! some nice work in here already. way to go, guys! :clap:

Well... here's my starting point. time to pull out the ol' Derwents. :D i'll probably not like this by tomorrow. that's the way portraits always seem to go for me... but anyway... perservere...lol...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jul-2006/45731-DerwentPortraitWIP1.jpg

"J"
07-25-2006, 09:20 PM
Here is what I have so far. Still putting in the terracotta.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jul-2006/84176-P7250002_darker.JPG

Anita Murphy
07-25-2006, 10:57 PM
Al - a technical question - how dark do you go with the pencils? I am trying to resist the CP urge and keep it light.

Mary Woodul
07-25-2006, 11:10 PM
Jeanette what a splendid job on your portrait. That is beautiful and the hair is fantastic.

Al I'm sure I still need a lot of work on this second layer but I just wanted to post to know if I am on the right track.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jul-2006/43096-102-6-2.jpg

tyree
07-25-2006, 11:34 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jul-2006/65063-port_1.jpg al...whats wrong with this picture:p my derwents only came with two of the colours youve chosen, so its a different red...think i went too quicks with the darks??? great job by mary and jeanette!!!! tyree

Striver
07-26-2006, 12:03 AM
Just arrived back and Wow they are coming in now, Jeanette that is so good and not forgetting Mary & Tyree. Must try again to see if i can improve, dont think I can tweak that first one but pleased with what I done, can only improve LOL. Called by an Art shop and picked up a box of 24 so no excuses such lovely colors, will I ever use them?
Have to go out again with a late night ahead, so hopefully tomorrow is the day or perhaps the day after or!!!
Enjoy
Les
Enjoy

mauricar
07-26-2006, 12:11 AM
Here is an update: Still not sure the paper is correct. It says Sketchpaper, but for charcoal. Hmmmm?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Jul-2006/71456-000_1310.jpg
A lady offered to trade me a television for this picture. Because my bedroom t.v. died yesterday, I said yes. Hmmmm. Pretty good trade if I do say so myself. I can redraw this tomorrow. LOL. :rolleyes:

Taurus41
07-26-2006, 12:27 AM
Hullo Al.

Like SUMARIEL I dont drive, the closest good art shop is two hours drive away. Also like Suzi, I to have a box of Conte pencils. Sorry, but that is what I have to use.

Here is my test of the colours. The funny looking thing under the apple is an arum lilly (???) and the nice thing under my hand is a partride in a pear tree. I dont know what a partridge looks like so mine looks like a hen.

Tz
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Jul-2006/60853-tz_pastel_practice_1.jpg

mbeckett
07-26-2006, 12:54 AM
why is it that i always seem to make the eyes too big and the face too long... and i can't see it in the initial sketch?! :mad: sigh... anyway... i usually use my eraser as much as my pencil, but can't do that with derwents. they definitely take some getting used to. let's just call this piece another learning experience... :rolleyes: :D

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Jul-2006/45731-DerwentPortraitFinal.jpg

Sumariel
07-26-2006, 01:37 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Jul-2006/82344-Exercises_001.jpg

Al, it cannot possibly be legal or moral to have this much fun with paper and pencils. The translucency these create is wonderful!! I may never become as good as I want to be, but I sure am having fun trying to get there!!!!
Suzi

bock
07-26-2006, 01:45 AM
You guys are way ahead of me! Looking good. Had a ball game tonight so getting a late start. Looks like I got a little heavy handed with the terra cotta. Guess I'll slow down and layer slowly. Still feeling uncertain of these things!
Pat

alfredart
07-26-2006, 04:03 AM
Les, You're doing just fine. All you can do is learn from this point on.

Jeanette, You're rollin'. I can't wait till ya do it for real.

Janine, She does look a bit long faced. Hope you get your pencils soon.

Mike, Good job man. You go 4 colors on me???

Jeanne. Looking good. It will come to life when you add the next color. Keep working on smooth even layers.

Anita. I've gone pretty darn dark with these pencils. Keep the touch light but overlay different colors 'till ya get there or go to Choc.

Mary. You're on the right track. Keep working those layers.

Tyree. I really like what you've done esp. with just two colors. Does look like your hand was a bit heavy. Keep the touch light and layer your colors. You'll end up with three.

Midge. Good job... good trade!!!

Tz. Thanks for jumpin' in. We'll work with what you're using. Looks close anyway. Remember to try and work even layers. Love the paint tube.

Suzi. You're having too much fun. I should have charged you for this class. (ha) Love the lightness of this... you go.

Bock. Looks like you're off to a good start. Don't push the darks too early as you can't take them back.

I'm seeing the same thing in most all of your guys work. Need to work on getting down smooth layers. Light touch and even layers will add a smoothness to your drawings. If you use a heavy hand and try to get a dark layer down as not to do many layers you'll end up with streaks throughout the drawing. These pencils are sooooo soft a light touch is all that is required.

I'll check back in later so until then....... have fun. Except for Suzi who's havin' way too much fun now. (Ha) No, you go for it Suzi.

Peace,
AL

*Deirdre*
07-26-2006, 08:44 AM
Well...I just couldn't resist! :p I've spent 6 hours doing this...I'll have to finish it later...but here's my WIP
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Jul-2006/33616-Alline.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Jul-2006/33616-albase.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Jul-2006/33616-albase+Mid.jpg

Charlie's Mum
07-26-2006, 10:29 AM
Here's my page of first doodles Al - but I think this paper has too much tooth - it's a cheap paractice paper ..... will be trying the W&N drawing paper next ........ this is only getting colour on the peaks!

The boxes of 12 pencils have a reasonable range, inc. the burnt ochre - but I'll have to substitute for the other two .... don't worry though, no green and blue faces lol :D

Have downloaded the ref - will be back when I have something to show!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Jul-2006/30494-First_doodles.jpg

Sumariel
07-26-2006, 10:50 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Jul-2006/82344-Exercises_003.jpg

Oh my, Al, I fear you would absolutely die laughing at me. I have never had a portrait turn out this nicely before, and I am afraid to put each mark on it for fear of ruining it. I'm not fooling myself that it's professional, just my personal best. Gads!!!!
Suzi

bock
07-26-2006, 12:24 PM
It has taken me hours to get this far, but am finally seeing some depth and smoothness in my transitions. Seems to be getting easier now that I have a million layers on! Still, I see hours of work ahead. I hated these pencils for awhile. This is not an easy challenge for me.
Pat

mauricar
07-26-2006, 01:11 PM
Wow. I have been playing with these pencils all morning, and I really like them. I am doing a man that posed for a picture in the morguefile. I am impressed with how smoothly these pencils flow.
Midge

mmdm
07-26-2006, 01:21 PM
Al - In the demonstration, it looks like we are not to leave any white areas in the skin when laying down the brown ochre. Is that correct? If so, is it just with this particular photo, because it doesn't have very bright highlights, or would you never leave them in the skin area of a portrait?

gibson99
07-26-2006, 01:26 PM
This is why I did so lousy in school as a Kid. I bought the pencils, I bought the Paper, I subcribed to JD's thread introducing the Class and have been waiting for Three days for It to Start:o . Finally "J" told me It had started and I looked in the classroom. :rolleyes: This is not the first time I have done something like this.:crying: I will Join in now:D Looks like a good class.:thumbsup:

Striver
07-26-2006, 02:49 PM
Must have gone to the same school, been there and done that twice now,
Les

bock
07-26-2006, 05:13 PM
Feeling better, I didn't have to be so careful putting the hair layers down because I knew I would go back and pick out shapes. I do love the look these give.
Pat

Mary Woodul
07-26-2006, 05:37 PM
This is why I did so lousy in school as a Kid. I bought the pencils, I bought the Paper, I subcribed to JD's thread introducing the Class and have been waiting for Three days for It to Start:o . Finally "J" told me It had started and I looked in the classroom. :rolleyes: This is not the first time I have done something like this.:crying: I will Join in now:D Looks like a good class.:thumbsup:

John, I'm glad you found out I thought I had missed you here.

This is such a great class and thread so let's not forget to rate it!!!:) :thumbsup:

Anda G
07-26-2006, 05:40 PM
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This is such a great class and thread so let's not forget to rate it!!! [/quote]

(messed up the quote thingy)
I did!

Andagail

*Deirdre*
07-26-2006, 05:41 PM
I've made an error...which explains why I struggled to lay down the pencil...I was using Bristol Smooth! Argh!:eek: Sorry Al...I just grabbed the wrong one!
Here's how far I got...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Jul-2006/33616-alhair.jpg
Next time I'll either use Cartridge Paper or maybe that imported Stonhenge I've got? I don't think we have Strathmore in the UK..:(

Judi1957
07-26-2006, 06:04 PM
Lagging behind as usual. I just have one layer down of the Brown Ochre and starting in with the Terracotta. Looks a lil lighter than it is.

Flamingo
07-26-2006, 06:12 PM
Today is the first time I was able to play.....Got out the pencils and they are pretty neat. Did one fast drawing just to see how they feel and work. I LIKE! Plan on drawing out the portrait tonight. I move pretty slowly. Hope to keep up.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Jul-2006/41684-Derwent_Pencil_Drawing_-_hand.jpg

kastaylor
07-26-2006, 06:34 PM
:wave: Hi Al, Is it too late to get into this class? How do I sign up?
Thanks, Kas Taylor Hey guys and gals, welcome to…



BASIC 102 - CLASS 6




Portraits in three-part harmony…

add a little color to your life”.

First of all I want to say Welcome. I’m really glad some of you chose to sit in on this class.

Let me start this off by saying to ya all… I ain’t no teacher. But, I’ll show you what I do and how I do it. If you have any questions along the way, I’ll do my best to answer them for you. If you run over the two weeks of this class… it’s okay… I’ll be here with you.

Okay, let’s get started!

I trust you all have picked up the items that Jay-D and I have been talking about right?
Good.

Now lets take a minute and go over a few items.




WHAT YOU NEED:



First thing is… the pencils…

Here’s what Derwent has to say about them…
This highly expressive drawing instrument has a soft beautiful creamy texture. Not unlike a very soft wax crayon, Derwent Drawing is produced in six earthy colours. Ideal for nature and life drawings.
Derwent Drawing has a unique, creamy texture producing a rich, velvety finish. Ideal for life and nature studies, the newly expanded colour range includes soft greens, blues and grays as well as traditional sepia tones.
·A 8 mm diameter pencil with a 5 mm waxy strip.
·Available in 24 beautiful colors ideal for life and nature studies
·The creamy extra wide strip encourages loose, expressive tonal drawings.
Okay, I know some of you are scratching your heads and wondering about the colors you haven’t see in the stores where you got yours. The 24-color set in only in the UK right now and have not made it into the US. as far as I know. But for now we don’t have to worry about those anyway. Right now we’re only going to use three.


I’m sure you all have played with them a little already to see what they’re all about. The large core is soft and creamy which is the reason you need a hand sharpener as they will dull real quick. Which means it you want to get any detail at all with these you will sharpen these puppies every two seconds or so. (ha) But as your read above “The creamy extra wide strip encourages loose, expressive tonal drawings” Key word being “loose” here folks. “Expressive tonal drawings” is another key point. The good part of these pencils is the fact that they cover quickly so you can cover a large area fast.

Next the kneaded eraser… You can use to erase your graphite sketch lines and to highlight your portrait. If you already have one of these it probably looks like this.


I have a hard time keep a hold of these as I have a dog that steals mine when ever he get a chance and chews on it. One good thing, he keeps it cleaned for me. (ha)

Okay, as far as trying to erase any of your Derwent work… don’t make mistakes because these bad boys don’t erase well at all. They smear and you end up tearing up the tooth of the paper. When you try to go over it then it discolors and it’s about that time that I tear the piece up and begin again. You can use your eraser to lift some of the color but that’s about as far as you can go with it. Also, don’t get any water on your work. These pencils don’t play nice with water.

Okay, pencils, eraser and… oh yes the hand held sharpener. Reason for this is you’re going to sharpen a lot so you want one handy. Another is that these pencils won’t fit in most electric sharpeners and they won’t last long if you use one.

The paper… I use Strathmore Drawing Paper, 18X24 when I work with these. A couple of reasons…
1. It has the tooth for them.
2. It’s not a bright white paper so the sepia tones look really good on it.
3. It’s cheap! (Real good reason, that should be #1)
4. You have to draw big. Remember the loose part? If you want to get any detail at all with these ya gotta go little larger.

Now you can use any paper except anything that’s smooth. They don’t work well on smooth. They need that tooth to pull the wax onto the paper.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jul-2006/37195-a.jpg

Okay, here’s my setup along with a pencil extender. I get all the miles I can out of these pencils.

Alright, now that we have that part out of the way…



FIELD TRIP!!!!!!

Sorry, there won’t be a field trip. I did a couple of searches on the net for artists who use Derwent Drawing pencils. Only thing that came up was me.
We could be breaking new ground here guys.

Now I did find a new product that you might want to check out. It’s called Zest-it and it’s used for blending Derwent Drawing pencils. I haven’t tried it yet (but I plan on it) you can check it out at… http://www.jacquiblackman.co.uk/blending.htm

Okay, before we start I want to show you what you can do with these and the range you can get with these pencils using them the way that I hope to teach you.

These were done using 3 colors.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jul-2006/37195-jetli.jpeg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jul-2006/37195-tg5.jpeg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jul-2006/37195-micheal.jpeg

The next one was done using 4 colors. I’ve added Chocolate to the palette.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jul-2006/37195-jd.jpeg

This one was done by replacing the Venetian Red with Chocolate. So it’s still 3 colors, but what a difference.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jul-2006/37195-dylan.jpeg

You can draw them light…

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jul-2006/37195-jeanette.jpeg

Or layer them and make them dark…

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jul-2006/37195-tiger3.jpeg

Or try adding a background using 1 color to give a whole new effect...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jul-2006/37195-jagger.jpeg

These are a few ideas of what you can do with these pencils and the values you can achieve with them.

CLASS ASSIGNMENTS:GETTING STARTED

I would like to break this class down into three parts as follows:

1. Getting used to the pencils. (Drawing practice pieces.)
2. Doing a portrait of my choice. (I get to pick one for us all to do.)
3. On your own, doing a portrait of your choice. (Having fun with it.)



Okay, the first thing we want to do is get used to how these pencils act, see how they work, see how they cover, see how they blend. So, with that in mind I would like you to do a few quick pieces. Anything you want, it can be a coffee cup, a vase, and egg… you get the idea, anything you want, even color fades and layer overlaps.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jul-2006/37195-b.jpg

I’ll give you a hint when using these and we’ll go over again later on in the class.

To start with use a light touch. Draw with light layers, it’s much easier to do than one dark layer. You may go over a section several times to get the tone or value that you want. But that is better than getting it too dark and not being able to do anything about it.

Start with the Brown Ochre as your base and lightest color as you’ll be working from light to dark. Then start shaping and adding mid tones with the Terracotta and finish off with the Venetian red.

Okay, ready to start? Go for it and I’ll check back with you tomorrow so post what you’ve done.

Most important… have fun.

Again, welcome.

Peace,
AL

Striver
07-26-2006, 06:37 PM
Thick head I am, I bought a pad of Cartidge paper because it said Sketching paper on it. So easy to get dirty and quite smooth very little if any tooth on it. Must be a better paper about so will need to look around.
Coffee and sulk time
Enjoy
Les

danna23
07-26-2006, 07:26 PM
Wow everyone's work looks so wonderful. Don't know what the time frame for this first drawing is??? :rolleyes: Here is my first layer, I wanted to get it posted before I left for a BBQ. I will work on it somemore when I get home.


So here's layer 1. I am enjoying these pencils very much, much faster than the others. I don't usually work this large, it's not as tough as I thought it would be.

Judi1957
07-26-2006, 08:53 PM
Hey Kasandra-Jump right in! Happy to have you!

Posting a few more layers with the terra cotta-and figured out how to use the white balance on my new camera!:thumbsup: Finally:rolleyes: Yay!!!!

Anda G
07-26-2006, 09:01 PM
Hey, y'all wait up! :lol:

Here is my graphite sketch. It is off to the left on my drawing pad. :confused: I don't know how I did that. :lol:
Oh, well.

On to the next step. Everybody has done such great work already. :clap: I will get there.

Andagail http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Jul-2006/59007-sketch.jpg

Anda G
07-26-2006, 09:08 PM
Deirdre, I hope you don't mind if I stick my nose in.:)

I think that bristol vellum might work. It has more texture than the bristol smooth. I have used both and I used the vellum with pastel pencils. It holds about 2 layers of pastel, so it should hold more of these pencils.
Hope that was helpful.

Andagail :wave:

gibson99
07-26-2006, 09:08 PM
I really want to take this class. I love doing portraits:) So I raced home after stopping at Michaels. Ripped open the pack of Drawing pencils. Sharpened them and preceded to use them for the first exercise. I love em!:thumbsup: They are great. Oh this is going to be fun. Now I'm going to race back to my chair and make my initial drawing:eek: http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Jul-2006/44925-exercise042.jpg

gibson99
07-26-2006, 10:02 PM
Okay, I am through rushing now:o Here is my predrawing and I will read the Instructions from Alfred now:o
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Jul-2006/44925-exercise043.jpg

this really is a beautiful reference. But the tilt of the head and the angle makes it a real challenge for me.:)

Fozbot
07-26-2006, 10:41 PM
everybody is really taking to these pencils, Al! i've got mine on order from Blick. still waiting. i'll be joining when they get here.

JayD
07-26-2006, 10:51 PM
OK, Al--here are my first sketches. I have to say I really like the way this lead lays down. It was really fun doing these. I am on to the girl next.

gibson99
07-26-2006, 11:24 PM
I agree with JD. These pencils are very smooth. I went ahead with step 2 of the layout but before I made it permanent I rechecked my drawing and sure enough the nose was too long:eek: . So I readjusted the Layout and went over the pencil with the terracotta. I am liking this procedure.:D So much for rushing!!!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Jul-2006/44925-exercise044.jpg

This is really in terracotta. It was so light that I had to enhance it and that removed some of the red.

Anda G
07-26-2006, 11:40 PM
Hey, Gibson and JayD.

JayD, I like your sketches. They look like redwork embroidery. Pretty. :)

Here are my next two steps and a close-up. She's looking like a comic book girl. :D I guess I am too impatient and have lines. I will call it my "style". :lol: I added some hand and more shoulder on our left. It looked cut off.

Andagail http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Jul-2006/59007-lineterra.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Jul-2006/59007-brownochre.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Jul-2006/59007-brwnochreclose.jpg

JayD
07-27-2006, 01:01 AM
Thanks, Anda--I dont think your drawings look that cartoony but its funny bcause with the crop on the close up--these could be three cartoon panels. Nice work!

"J"
07-27-2006, 02:15 AM
I'm working with the terracotta now. Here is what I have done so far today.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Jul-2006/84176-P7260004.JPG

Netty
07-27-2006, 03:02 AM
This really has been lots of fun , between changing nappies and cleaning house, lol......

Everyone is doing such a lovely job, it is great seeing different styles.


I think the paper I am using has too much tooth.
it has made it difficult to define any detail..and looks quite grainy! Might try a smoother paper next ....

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Jul-2006/85966-study.JPG

Still having trouble with getting a clear pic!! and also with the lighting... I need a new camera...

Netty,:p

alfredart
07-27-2006, 03:36 AM
Dee: you started out right but now I have no idea what your'e doing. Hate people who have 24 colors... hate people who have 24 colors... Just kidding. This is looking great as always.

Mum: I swear you all across the pond have all the luck... I think I have now idea what I'd do with so many colors to work with. (ha) Really looks good, you're gonna be great.

Sizi: You keep it up, you're doing great.

Bock: Wow, you've really run away with these pencils. Looks great and really taking shape.

Midge: When do we get to seeeeeee?????

Melisa: Right, don't leave any as you can add highlights with an eraser when you've finished. Forget that... there are no rules for these pencils. I've been working for 10 years with them and still trying to figure them out.

Judi: You're a natural Great so far... I knew you'd do good.

Jeannie: Glad you're in now. Looks like ya got the smooth layers down okay.

Kasandra: You're signed up and have plenty of time.

Les: have a cup of joe for me too.

Danna: Great start. Working larger is easy when you've got a pencil that covers like these do. Besides you want to be able to get some detail in your work. Plus the fact that they're fast. My portraits for the most part take me 2 to 3 hours to do.

Bibson: Wow, you need to slow down before you pop. (ha) Looks like you
are on a roll and off to a great start. The way you're going your have done 10 portraits by the time this class is finished.

Billie: No rus. I can't wait though to see what you do with these puppies. I think you should do great with them.

JayD Yeah!!! You're here!!! Glad you like my pencils. Looks like you have fun.

Anda: What more could I say but... perfect start. Just the way I would do it.
You learn well Grasshopper.

Jeanne: Looks good so far. Should really take shape with the next color.

Netty: Looks really goood. I used to use a toothy paper as well and still do every now and then. Makes for a great effect. I've always had trouble getting a good pic with these pencils. Got it figured out now, besides the camera settings.... I use a tripod and take my photos in the kitchen. Best light in my house.

Okay all, I'm getting writers cramps. You guys are wonderful!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can't wait to see more.

Have fun!!!!!
Peace,
AL

Striver
07-27-2006, 05:10 AM
Hi all, got the 2nd one started and will post tomorrow when i can take a photo of WIP, its 9.07 pm now and time to go in and see if the missus is alive.

Al, out of interest can you fix over this stuff and pencil over?
All looking great and every one enjoying it.
Cheers
Les

IslanderNL
07-27-2006, 05:34 AM
Its wonderful how well everyone has taken to these pencils. And what beautiful drawings coming out from this reference. There are so many styles that are achieved with these pencils, it really shows the range. I would like to get hold of the full range of colours with these. I'll have to chat up some relatives in the UK...:)

Meanwhile here is my version of the reference done on Stonehenge paper. This medium doesn't scan well does it? I will take a photo tonight when I get home from work.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Jul-2006/67422-derwent_girl_2.JPG

JayD
07-27-2006, 06:40 AM
Jeanette--I had bought the 12 pack set of these pencils and when I went to find the Terra Cotta, it was NOT one of the ones included--so I when tearing through my pencil arsenal because I had done a simple line portrait before using the AL pencils and TC was one of the colors--thank god, I found it. Going to get the rest of the bunch! I think there are 24.

Mary Woodul
07-27-2006, 07:25 AM
JayD I like the softness you achieved in yours. They look good!

Jeanette you draw beautiful faces with any medium.

Al I'm slow at this but hope to post the next update today!

JayD
07-27-2006, 09:29 AM
Al, I am finding that I want to go heavy handed with these pencils. Do you have any tips on handling them as lightly as you need us to?

gibson99
07-27-2006, 10:05 AM
JD - In my rush to get caught up I forgot to say how much I liked your drawings. I am curious, Is that a chess pawn with wings?;)

Islander - Beautiful portrait and a good likeness:wave:

Netty - I think you portrait look very good. I like your shading:)

"J" Looks great , I like her expression:D

Anda g - From what I can see they look good. They are very faint on my computer:)

I have been looking throught the thread and everyone is doing such a great job!:thumbsup:

gibson99
07-27-2006, 10:26 AM
Al - when I drew over my pencil with the terracotta I drew mostly over the pencil. The pencil mark is still under the terracotta making it a little darker. Does one perhaps draw real close to the line so the whole of the pencil can be earased? I know there are no dumb questions, but this sounds like one:)

IslanderNL
07-27-2006, 11:21 AM
Thanks Mary. I think your start on this reference has really gotten a perfect likeness. I'm lookign forward to seeing the updates.

Thanks John. Great start on your portrait. Its looking very good. As for me, I just draw right over the pencil lines. They are pretty much obliterated by the time the drawing is complete unlesss you're drawn very heavily. Then again, you could do as you say and draw just inside or outside the pencil line and erase it.

Judi, your portrait looks wonderful, but then you're a master at this so I expect nothing less. :)

I'll have to look into those pencils Jay, I didn't think you could get more colours in them this side of the Atlantic. I don't have much in the line of tips for drawing lightly. Perhaps hold the pencil further back on the wood so you get less pressure? I have to make a conscious effort to draw very lightly with these.

mmdm
07-27-2006, 11:26 AM
Maureen - Which 3 colors do you plan to use? I have the 12 pack also and will have to substitute. I've been trying different variations but can't decide what looks right. I get a good value range if I use yellow ochre for the light instead of the brown ochre, but I don't think that would look right for skin, so I thought maybe brown ochre, sanguine, and either ruby earth or sepia.

JayD
07-27-2006, 11:52 AM
Jeanette, thanks! I get mine over at hobby lobby here in High Point.

John, yes that is a chess pawn with wings--I stole it from Tenniel--I'm an "Alice" freak--love the stories and the illustrations especially--i was going to do a picture of myself as the white rabbit with the glasses over the nose and then for some reason I started Channeling Penguins and other animals--probably channeling the ghost of Tennessee Tuxedo.

gibson99
07-27-2006, 11:55 AM
Thanks for the answer Jeanette. That's what I did, I just drew over the pencil lines and lightly erased. That seems to work ok.:)

alfredart
07-27-2006, 12:57 PM
I've only got a minute but it looks like everyone is answering each others questions. Wich is great... shows that you all are learning.

Les I've never fixed one of my drawing... fear of bleeding I guess. I'll have to try it. I did however go over one of my sketches with graphite... Not happy at all. The graphite has such a shine that it looks really bad. Maybe if it were placed under non glare glass? It might work. I used to go over CP drawings and bring out the detail with graphite and it worked well but I don't think I would would do it with these. I had to take this pic at an angle to cut the glare.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Jul-2006/37195-eye.jpg

Peace,
AL

bock
07-27-2006, 01:13 PM
I also started getting a grainy look. Al, do you work on a hard surface or pad it with a few pieces of newsprint or something? I guess I was tense:o I rubbed the name right off my brown ocre. Also, did you choose this lovely redhead for us to start with because of her coloring? Do you use the same colors for blondes and African Americans? Your Tiger is awesome. I'm thinking about our next assignment and getting worried. Do you ever use white?
Love everybody's work. I'm getting all kinds of tips watching the progress, but don't know how you do it so fast. I was really slow.

Pat

Anda G
07-27-2006, 01:28 PM
Hi, Pat. Your drawing is lovely. I am using a large, flat sheet of cardboard under mine to pad it. Just cardboard box cardboard. :) I still have lines (grains). Maybe she'll look like a wood carving when I'm done. I'll just say I meant to do that. :D

Thanks for commenting JayD, John, and Al.

John, I wondered, too, about erasing. I just went over the lines with terracotta, then erased lightly like you did. I am putting my trust in Al. :) So far, so good.

I'm trying to go slowly and carefully, Al. :o I had to take a break. I was hurrying and trying to mess up.

I am trying not to get intimidated by all the wonderful drawings ahead of me. This is the start of the terracotta.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Jul-2006/59007-kissmefool.jpg
Andagail

mmdm
07-27-2006, 01:42 PM
Finally finished my graphite drawing and looked back at the demo and see that you did not mark shadows and things. I lightly sketched in some around the nose and eyes so I guess I need to erase those before adding my terracotta equivalent. There is a chance that I might be able to get to a Michaels in a nearby town tonight, so I'm holding off til I know for sure anyway. Sure hope I can get those shadows right without guidelines since erasing isn't possible!

bock
07-27-2006, 01:46 PM
Andagail, thanks. Think I will try padding. Maybe it's the paper too. Yours looks great. What do you mean intimidated, I see your portraits in your signature and they are wonderful.
Pat

IslanderNL
07-27-2006, 02:31 PM
I love this drawing Pat, you've really caught her expression and features well. beautiful work.

I think the grainy texture is the nature of the pencil themselves and a slightly toothy paper too. Up close the texture looks odd, but from a usual viewing point, it looks beautiful. I love the tones and colours of these pencils.


No need for intimidation AndaG, your drawing is stunning. Keep going with it, its great! And never look behind, only forward. :)

Striver
07-27-2006, 02:49 PM
Morning all, brr it's cold in here sitting on top of the fire, (5.30 am) warm backside and cold hands. But into the day. For those of you who know, just started morning pages again to level out or try.
I found on this sketching paper (Cartridge) that I can pencil in the lines, softly erase off and it leaves a faint line which I terracota back in. Feeling my way along. As the man say's "go lightly".
See you later when daylight comes and after breakfast.
Shivery Les

bock
07-27-2006, 02:55 PM
Thanks, Jeanette. Think it's the wax in the pencils? Yeah, I like the sepia effect of these colors. You have a beautiful one going!
Pat

"J"
07-27-2006, 03:16 PM
Les- you are freezing and I am sweating (has been 114 degrees F a couple of days). I am already waiting for winter and that is not usually my favorite season. But we usually have hot weather thru Sept. And Incian summers can last till Oct, Nov. July and Aug are our hottest months. It is cooling off some this week and by the weekends supposed to be in the 90s.

It's sad that we both would like a little of the other's weather. We are never satisfied.

Striver
07-27-2006, 03:33 PM
The thought of your weather warms me, another month and spring will be here some buds are appearing on the tree's now. That's life.
Cheers Taking me cold bum in for a cuppa tea now.
Les

cmwynn
07-27-2006, 03:51 PM
I must draw a darker line sketch, because I just can't see the errors until I get lots of color in my drawing, and then it's too late. This is not a completed drawing, but most of the things I can still change are tweaking, making parts darker. By the way, it is the second version. The first makes me cringe. And it is sooo hard to photograph. I tried doing that with the graphite sketch and got absolutely nothing.
I was worried that mine didn't look exactly like the model, but now see lots of variations so not so tense about posting. I really like this method of having one model for everyone, then our own.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Jul-2006/29839-Derwent_portraitxm..jpg

mauricar
07-27-2006, 04:58 PM
Here is another rendition. The pearls are a little bit sqweewed... (my very own word)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Jul-2006/71456-000_1316.jpg
It looks rather washed out now that I can see it. Perhaps I am not using enough red ? It looks rather red irl. Perhaps I just need to go even darker.

I must say, the black man I drew turned out rather well. But I messed up on his hat and blanket. I am not sure how to do his shirt either. But I'll keep playing with it.

Which picture did you want to see, this one or the other one?

Striver
07-27-2006, 05:10 PM
Here is my second try, think it's better but still needs tweaking. Going out now for a while so may not have the time for another go, possibly before Monday.
Isnt it exciting
Regards
Les

Charlie's Mum
07-27-2006, 05:14 PM
Maureen - Which 3 colors do you plan to use? I have the 12 pack also and will have to substitute. I've been trying different variations but can't decide what looks right. I get a good value range if I use yellow ochre for the light instead of the brown ochre, but I don't think that would look right for skin, so I thought maybe brown ochre, sanguine, and either ruby earth or sepia.


Hi Melisa - I'm using the Brown Ochre, Sanguine and Ruby Red too - though if there isn't enough contrast with the Ruby, I may have to use Chocolate (pencil, not the real stuff!:lol:)
The sanguine is already a lot shorter than the ochre! Looking OK though. I'll post tomorrow perhaps - geting a pic with this size piece will be difficult because I prefer to scan!

RWSewell
07-27-2006, 05:22 PM
Hey everybody, hope nobody thought I was playing truant or anything, but the weather has been so nice lately. No heavy rains or washouts to speak of, just sun and temps in the 80's-low 90's. 'Course, as we say here in New England, if you don't like the weather, wait a minute.
And I have been doing my homework, teacher. No smoking in the boys room for me...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Jul-2006/81425-100_0212.jpg

This is in the extremely early stages, working stricktly with brown ochre. It'll be a while yet before the terracotta makes an appearance. I love the sepia tone quality I'm getting so far and I'm really going to push that. We'll see how things change in the next few hours. Key is to resist burnishing but still achieve the smooth transitions of tone and shading. Oh what fun...
Oh yeah, sorry about the Midwich Cuckoo stare in her eyes. I'll get to that soon. You are not being hypnotised...you are not being hypnotised...
:cool: Rob

danna23
07-27-2006, 05:56 PM
Hey everyone, this class is sooo great, coodoo's to you Al for doing it for us. I love trying new things. Speaking of weather, I live in Central California and today is the first day in 10 that its been below 105, so it's a great day.

Figured I would get another update posted while the kids are off the computer. Not sure how much time I'll have after today, I'm working on a yard sale for the next two days. I'll do my best to squeeze it in.

Update two, still just the basics not much in the way of detail yet.

Flamingo
07-27-2006, 06:18 PM
Jeannette, Just had to tell you, that puppy is great. I can almost smell the puppy breath. :lol: Good work.

Mary Woodul
07-27-2006, 06:21 PM
Wow, this thread is fantastic with so many and such fine work.

Al, this looks scratchy so I guess I still need more layers. What I didn't understand was if we can layer with both the Brown Ochre and the Terracotta after the first layer of each? I will crosshatch because I was just going in one direction.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Jul-2006/43096-IMG_6679.JPG

Sumariel
07-27-2006, 07:55 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Jul-2006/82344-Julie.jpg

"Julie" took up residence on my sofa for a day, hoping she would tell me what she wanted from me. I hope I got her requests right, as her lips were rather pursed, and she wasn't looking up, particularly. I am still so much in love with these pencils that I would by a set of 72 if they made them. My friend, Anna came to visit me today, saw Julie and fell in love with the "look" of this medium, so much so that she is getting some for herself, and for her daughter,(for Christmas). Al, is Derwent giving you any kind of kickback for selling these? They ought to, you have certainly "converted" several of us with this wonderful class.
Suzi

tyree
07-27-2006, 08:05 PM
les....i really like this second one youve done...good work!!!!! tyree:wave: :D :clap:

danna23
07-27-2006, 08:10 PM
I love the fact we are all doing the same picture but they all look so different. It is true we all have our own style.:rolleyes: I'm thinking this style isn't supposed be smooth.

Well here's another update. I guess it's time to do some fine tuning???

Al for our next portrait can we have two people in it, do you want us to post the photo first for your approval?:o

IslanderNL
07-27-2006, 08:36 PM
I'm calling this done (I think - depends on what Al says). This is drawn on Stonehenge paper. The scan looks a little grainy so I'd like to photograph it instead. But I have visitors so can't tonight. Tomorrow I hope.

Then I will start on the next portrait I guess.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Jul-2006/67422-derwent_girl_2-1.JPG

Judi1957
07-27-2006, 08:40 PM
Wow-I agree Danna-all so different!

Jeanette, Midge, Suzi, Jeanne, Les, Janine, Mike, Danna, Anda, Nelly, JayD. Mary, Tyree, Pat, Dee, Maureen, John, Connie and Rob-Everybody is doing grand! (If I missed anyone-my apologies)
This is a BIG Class!!!!:clap: :clap: :clap:

I am about done with the Terra cotta here. I don't know how many layers -and I seem to have gotten a bit dark-but that's OK I think.

I am really loving these pencils Al!
Truthfully at first I was unsure-but now I am sure.:thumbsup: :thumbsup: They rock!

JayD
07-27-2006, 08:55 PM
Well, I am going back to crayola crayons--Pat that is gorgeous!!! I have been following this drawing from the very beginning!!!!

gibson99
07-27-2006, 08:56 PM
:thumbsup: Wow, Everyone is doing so Good:thumbsup: :clap:

Here is my first layer of Brown Ochre. I would have like it to be smoother but my guess is that comes with practice. Now on to the terricotta!:eek:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Jul-2006/44925-exercise045.jpg

JayD
07-27-2006, 08:57 PM
John, good luck--I am just starting my as well.

Sumariel
07-27-2006, 09:00 PM
It is rather fun to look at all the different interpretations of one model, isn't it? That is the neatest part of making art everyone is different, and everyone is right. I love them all. I said a few days ago that this would be my first time in one of these classes while it was active. The experience is a neat one, and, Al, if you do decide to charge me, (the entertainment fee), just put it on my account, on accounta I ain't got much.
Suzi

gibson99
07-27-2006, 09:12 PM
Good luck to you JayD. This sure is a lot of fun , isn't it:)

Anda G
07-27-2006, 10:26 PM
Hi, everybody! :wave: Everybody has such different styles, I agree. They are all as pretty as can be. I am going to quit worrying about mine. I can teak it as long as I don't go overboard. I hope. :lol:

Pat, I think the lines will fill in as I go. I hope so, anyway. I find that the sharper the pencil, the less obvious the lines. By intimidated,I mean that everybody is so good, that it's hard to try to keep up. I'm gonna go with the flow from now on. :)

Thanks, Jeanette. After the stress of this week, I embrace that thought. Look forward. :D Yours is lovely. Love it.

Poor Les, you can have some of our weather here. Hot and humid in Gator Country. :) Great going on your picture.

Good job, Connie. I wonder what Sophie will think if and when she sees all these pictures of herself. :lol:

Midge, I like your "sqweewed" pearls. Very artistic. Your picture is so pretty. You were smart to shut her mouth. I am having trouble with her open lips. :D

Rob, I love your rendition. :D

Mary, thanks for the suggestion. I started cross-hatching. :D Love your picture. Especially her nose. I need to stare at it a while. :)

Suzi, yours is very pretty, too. It flows. Lovely.

Judi, thanks. Yours is just great. :thumbsup:

Good start, John.

I can't wait to see your Crayola masterpiece, JayD. :)

Everybody is doing a great job. So serious. :cat:

Mine looks kind of tragic right now. I just put on a bunch of terracotta. Different things are bugging me about it. Lips, for one. Still, more to do...

Andagail http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Jul-2006/59007-outtawhack.jpg

gibson99
07-27-2006, 10:30 PM
This is a far as I am going to go tonight:) This is the Terracotta layer and I am seeing all my mistakes now and cannot erase:crying:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Jul-2006/44925-exercise046.jpg

gibson99
07-27-2006, 10:34 PM
Anda G - Very Nice , indeed :)

gibson99
07-27-2006, 10:36 PM
I have a Question. Since I have never used colored pencils, in what way are these like and not like them??

Anda G
07-27-2006, 10:42 PM
Thanks, John.

I haven't used CP much, but these go on smoother, I think. CP are hard and waxy. They crumb up and shed speckles of colored wax all over the place. But I really do like them. I have a BRAND NEW set. :lol: Try them out. Prismacolors are really good. (I mean it.)

Andagail :wave:

Sumariel
07-27-2006, 10:54 PM
I have both Prismacolor and Derwent watercolor pencils, I would trade them both for a full set of colors in these. They go on like butter, and do not require any pressure at all to give a layer of pigment.
Suzi

P.S. Andagail, thank you for the lovely compliment. I am anxious to see your completed portrait, I am not yet courageous enough to tackle hands. When I get faces so they come out accurately reflecting the model, that is next on my list. S.

bock
07-27-2006, 11:08 PM
JayD, you made me laugh! Thanks! But. I did see some amazing crayon drawings in an Artist's magazine. They blew me away! Everyone's work looks so good! I agree that this has been a great class.
Pat

*Deirdre*
07-28-2006, 01:53 AM
Dee: you started out right but now I have no idea what your'e doing. Hate people who have 24 colors... hate people who have 24 colors... Just kidding. This is looking great as always.
AL
Al....I only used 3 of my 24!:p But...as I'd used the wrong paper...and mine was very streaky...I did use the blender...and I used my electric eraser!:eek: Which could explain why you didn't know what I was doing...I didn't either!:lol:

Robin Neudorfer
07-28-2006, 04:06 AM
Hey Folks. You all have been having way too much fun. I want to join in, because Life can wait.
These pencils are interesting. I have a light touch, so ... have had to realize that I have to give it some oomph to make a difference. Now, seeing it on an angle, I have the nose and eyes off center. That's what I get for rushing to jump in.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Jul-2006/30341-portrait_-_6:27:06.jpg

alfredart
07-28-2006, 04:17 AM
Melisa, you're right, I don't draw in my shadows etc., I never have. I guess one reason is I never sketch, I do a layout but I don't sit around and sketch in a book. Hmmmm.

JayD, I just thought of a cure for the heavy hand, try holding the pencils farther back. That should give you less pressure on the tip.

Connie, your's looks just fine. Can't wait to see what you do when you can draw whoever you want.


Midge, looking good. It's hard to say what's washed out and what's not. These pencils don't photograph well most of the time.

Les, you a rollin' right along. You've got me wanting to do another one. Matter of fact... I think I will work along with you guys on the next assignment.

Rob, you're really off to a great start. Funny, the eyes are the first thing I do. If I don't get them right it's headed to the trash.

Danna, You're lookin' really good here. I'm so glad you're having fun. Thanks.
And yes, you can do a double portrait next time... it's your call.

Mary, this is really looking good. And, yes you can layer color over color. Doesn't matter, you're just going to end up with a deeper tone. For the most part I go with one directions most of the time for most of the drawing then crosshatch to blend.

Suzi, I'm so glad you like these pencils. My first thought when starting this class up was "if I could get one person to fall in love with these pencils as I have..." I've been using them now for 10 years and never plan to give them up. Well, unless they quit making them. Then I'll probably just go out and shoot myself. (ha)

Jeanette, just beautiful.

Judi, I really love the hair. You're doing great. And... yes they do! It is abit on the dark side. I think after you work with them for awhile you'll develop a lighter touch.

Gibson, you are rollin' buddy. this is looking great. They're right about the difference with these and CP's. These are so much softer. Course I use Derwent Studio Pencils and they're hard as a rock. But what detail you can pull out of them.

Anda, she looks like an angel. Sooooooo soft and light. She'll start to really take shape with the next color.

Dee, thanks dear... I really needed to laugh tonight. You're a sweetheart.

Robin, this is going to be fantastic. You're off to a great start.

All of you guys are doing soooooo well. And I'm very, very happy to see you having so much fun.


Peace,
AL

Judi1957
07-28-2006, 05:57 AM
Robin-your skin tones are just lovely! So glad you jumped in!

LOL-dark is a bit too dark Al-I put in the wrong photo:o and am glad that it is not really that dark. Still playing with the white balance. This one is a lil lighter than IRL but much closer. I am not a camera guru.:D
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Jul-2006/37258-mermaidrl.jpg

Charlie's Mum
07-28-2006, 06:39 AM
Thought I'd better post my efforts so far!

This is about 6 hours and four layers of the Sanguine (instead of the non-existent Terra!) - the picture looks a lot paler than the RL version - I'll try a scan and stitch next time!
Is everyone else working on this scale - 18x24" ?
I haven't done a portrait this size before and find coping with it takes some geting used to! :eek: :lol:

I'd appreciate other eyes picking out the faults please :D ..... the shoulder looks a tad small to me.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Jul-2006/30494-Derwent_portrait_001.jpg

Sumariel
07-28-2006, 07:27 AM
Al, I use a CD to do my layouts, drawing a circle helps me keep in mind that it is a person's head I am drawing rather than a flat surface from a photo, so of course, my scale is not any where near as large as you intended us to work. I was wondering if I needed to combine media and use a different type of CP for details, as I rather lost the details that would truly have her looking up as is the model in the picture. I think I will use an 8" plate for my next venture.

Speaking of which, I am thinking of using an old photo of an uncle long since crossed over (B&W) as these tones seem ideal for breathing life into a portrait taken from such a reference. Any pointers you would have would be greatly appreciated, or even the comment that I am not quite ready to take on such a challenge, if that is the case. Your call,
Suzi

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Jul-2006/82344-Uncle_Bob_001_face.jpg

RWSewell
07-28-2006, 09:14 AM
Suzi - You gotta, and I mean you gotta post your first attempt at your uncle's portrait with your finished two-tone when it's finished. You GOTTA! You've come so far, girl!

Robin - snooped in your diary - I mean your blog, sorry - and noted that you recently visited Nantucket. My neighborhood on this blue ball called Earth. From your reaction my guess is you missed the roses in bloom. The island comes to life during that time of the year, and the tourists haven't taken it over yet. You might have come away a little more artistically inspired had you seen them - the roses, not the tourists. Aside from the above, I hope you enjoyed your trip out East.

So many styles in this class, so many approaches. A virtual gallery at the end of this thread would be so cool -

-what? No talking in class? But Al - ugh, it's the back of the class for me, I guess.

BTW, another two hours on the portrait. Will be posting tonight. -Rob

gibson99
07-28-2006, 09:15 AM
Thank you Al for you comments and thank you for introducing us to these wonderful pencils.

Lady Carol
07-28-2006, 09:46 AM
Well I have been thoroughly enjoying the class but I am somewhat embarassed about posting this judging by all the other awesome drawings...
Her nose looks piggish and the eyes are too big but as I have actively avoided portraits and this is maybe the 6th ever, I am quite chuffed with myself :)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Jul-2006/11811-pencilsmall.jpg

mmdm
07-28-2006, 09:59 AM
Got a ride out of town last night and went looking for the pencils at Michael's. They didn't have the individual ones either (except the watercolor ones) but they had the set of 6. All of them were duplicates to the ones in the set of 12 I bought except the 2 colors I needed, so I hope I find a use for those other colors! I've got plenty of them now. :)

Here's what I've got so far. As long as I worked on this, I never saw that the eye was wonky until I scanned it. Don't think I can fix it since I can't erase, but I will continue on. Oh yeah, this is way cropped because the paper is bigger than my scanner but I didn't feel like dragging out the camera. It doesn't like me. Anyway, I am terrified of the hair and don't even know how to begin. I think I might have already messed it up by outlining it so darkly. The skin looks too yellow to me, but maybe once the hair has some color it won't look so odd? Love the texture of the pencils. Much nicer than my Prismacolors. Sure wish they erased, though!

You can't tell it here because the scanner cropped it out, but I cheated a bit and left out the hand and the pearls. The head is enough of a challenge for me. :)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Jul-2006/9614-3pencilportrait1web.jpg

IslanderNL
07-28-2006, 10:05 AM
Just a note to those concerned about not being able to 'erase'. You can remove a lot of the pigment by using blu-tack or similar sticky putty (they all seem to work the same) or a kneaded eraser. Its the same principle as working with coloured pencils. Don't rub, simply blot and you can get practically back to white paper, depending on how heavily you've applied layers.

You can also create highlights the same way by lightly dragging or blotting the area with the putty or kneaded eraser.

Sumariel
07-28-2006, 10:50 AM
Melissa, I love your signature line, I feel the same!

Rob, thank you for all your encouragement through my journey back. I went and looked at some of my first attempts, and they were a bit scarey, weren't they? You and Graham have been as good for me online as my friends Anna and Tim have been for me in the dimmension we think we live in.

I think I will start on Uncle Bob's portrait today, even if Al thinks I need to do something else for class. Thanks again!
Suzi

Mary Woodul
07-28-2006, 11:10 AM
Pat, beautiful work. I love the tonality in this.

Anda, looking very good!

Connie, always nice work.

Midge, I love the expression.

Les, your beautiful crisp style shows.

Rob, your start is coming along fine.

Danna, nice elegant style

Suzi , lovely!

Jeanette, as always your work is that of an expert artist.

Judi, like Jeanette, your work always shines.

John you have a beautiful start on yours.

Robinyou have such a marvelous soft touch.


Maureen, very classy drawing.

Carol I love your authentic style in this.

Melisa, every medium you work , is excellent.

I hope I didn't forget anyone but I just commented on the two last pages. Everyones's work is so interesting and different.

Al, thank you for clearing that doubt for me. I will be layering again today.:)

mmdm
07-28-2006, 11:29 AM
Melisa, every medium you work , is excellent.


Wow, Mary, I think that is the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me! I can't say I agree, but to have someone I admire say such a thing makes me feel very, very good. Wish you could see my HUGE grin! :D

danna23
07-28-2006, 11:52 AM
Well I'm going to call this one done, though I still see changes I could make. The eyebrows are off and so are the eyes. I'm having a yard sale tomorrow so I need to put my time into that for the next two days. Sunday I'll start to sketch out my next one, in between house work and laundry and life.

This is the picture I plan on doing, it should look great with this coloring. It's of my daughter and a cousin. The big toothy smile will be a HUGE :eek: challenge for me.

I love everyone's work, I'm looking forward to seeing what everyone picks for the next one. I will be taking my time on the next one. I might even do one more play one just because it's so much fun.:p

mauricar
07-28-2006, 11:52 AM
Al said we are to do the same portrait plus one other. So, here is my one other. If it is not okay, then I will do another one.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Jul-2006/71456-000_1320.jpg
It took me a little over 2 hours to do this one. I really love these pencils. I ordered the chocolate and the ivory today. But the red seems to cover the dark hair just fine. I can hardly wait to see how the others do.

Al, let me know what you think. Thanks so much for the words of encouragement. I can't keep track of all of you. I am on dial up, so everything takes forever to load.

Wow. Dana, are you going to do all those teeth? That is asking ror it.
See ya later. Midge

mmdm
07-28-2006, 12:08 PM
She's lovely, Danna. Especially like the hair!

Lookin' good, Midge. I've got the chocolate. It is very dark, almost black but warmer. It would probably work well to lightly put a few shadows in that dark hair with it, though.

Sumariel
07-28-2006, 04:19 PM
Well, I take it those big toothy grins are a challenge to everyone, so I don't need to feel like a total failure if I can't get it right? I really may still not be up to that photo, still trying, though.
Suzi

Charlie's Mum
07-28-2006, 04:27 PM
My apologies for not commenting on all the works - but I have viewed all of them - I promise!
They really are vey impressive - and such a variety of styles, especially considering we're all working from the same ref - and learning about the medium!
I do like these pencils and just wish I could buy them individually.

Thanks Al for the class and sharing your expertise - I've always shied away from portraits and have been challenging myself with them in the WDEs to try to make myself do them ....... this has been the most enjoyable so far though! :D

Striver
07-28-2006, 05:10 PM
Morning all zero C in the studio this morning, rather sharp for me thin blood. Maureen thought you lived near the lake Districts the home or Derwent pencils. Do they export them all.
Great showing of work really appreceate you all. Is it my imagination and I also am guilty, is there a tendency for the mouth to be a little to our right and that of the nose. Where are my glasses.
Go for it al we need you to do the WIP with us. Cant look at this now until Monday. Bye
Ta Ta
Les

RWSewell
07-28-2006, 05:54 PM
Judging from the speed of the rest of you, I am one ssllooooowww artist. Ah well. With luck I should have this finished by Monday...
...or not.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Jul-2006/81425-100_0213.jpg

Robin Neudorfer
07-28-2006, 06:20 PM
...well you will sure beat me, Rob.

danna23
07-28-2006, 06:22 PM
Suzi.... I'll go for the toothy grin if you do too. Though I think I might soften the mouth a little.

bock
07-28-2006, 06:40 PM
Great work everybody! They are all impressive. I love the different styles.

Pulled some highlights with my eraser. Gonna leave the bottom unfinished like Al did. I like that look. I think I tried to take it too dark and lost the smoothness of her skin and aged her. Count me in as a convert. I wonder how they do on toned paper?
Think I'll try this for my next one. Got some teeth too! Al, can we use other colors or still the same three?
Pat

janine9620
07-28-2006, 07:06 PM
oops wrong place

janine9620
07-28-2006, 07:12 PM
Yippy!!!! Got my pencils today!!!!! Couldn't wait to get started. Here are my warm ups.......hmmmmm they are quite differant from those prismas, keep wanting to burnish with that xtra chinese white I got, eeek I need to hide that one! They don't lay down as smooth as reg pencils, are we looking for a not so smooth look? Yours are kinda both, some of your areas seem smooth while others are more scratchy. Do you just play it as it goes???? This piece of paper had a few scratches, wow no hiding them!
Jumping into my girl next. janine
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Jul-2006/71776-102_class.jpg

gibson99
07-28-2006, 09:52 PM
Talk about a sloooow Artist. I think I hold that title. I am still on the terracotta haven't even gotten to the V red. Every time I Scan this picture I see all the places I need to adjust.:eek:

Bock - Real nice!:)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Jul-2006/44925-exercise047.jpg

PS: since I never read instuctions, Is there a dead line on the first picture??:confused:

gibson99
07-28-2006, 09:57 PM
oops

Sumariel
07-28-2006, 10:33 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Jul-2006/82344-Uncle_Bob_001.jpg Rob, your eyes are, as usual, stunning! Been working on this all day, I may work on it again, or do another, who knows? I will share, however, what Rob was talking about when he said my work had improved a bit.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Jul-2006/82344-82344-Uncle_Bob2.jpg

I still didn't catch the likeness I want, I will probably start over tomorrow.
PPS, Al, I really like the way these pencils work for B&W photos!!!
S

RWSewell
07-28-2006, 10:54 PM
Pat - I love how you handled these pencils - such control! The hightlights really give your portrait dimension. Looking forward to your next piece.

gibson99 - I like the smooth texture you achieved. I guess the vellum I'm using has too much tooth. Not used to working with pencils that act so much like crayons.

Suzi - Looking good! Yeah, about those eyes. Try as I might, the right eye still looks lazy to me. If this was a commission this baby would already be in the trash.

Boy, I hope there aren't any deadlines here. I've got my next piece picked out but at the rate I'm working the two weeks will certainly be over before I start.

Obviously these pencils don't provide the tight control that colored pencils offer so I need to accept the sketchy quality of my piece. I haven't ruled out mixing media in my next piece.

gibson99
07-28-2006, 11:02 PM
RWSewell - As Suzi pointed out ,The eyes are really beautiful in you portrait:)

gibson99
07-28-2006, 11:11 PM
Talk about a learning experience:) Wow. I am really having good time with this. And I believe that this pose has really challenged me. Every one is doing so good with this that I feel like I am in good company:thumbsup: I would like to take time now to thank Al. A fine artist that is taking his time to help others enjoy this great way. In the Art Spirit:clap: :clap: :clap:

Mary Woodul
07-28-2006, 11:15 PM
Al, I think I will call this done unless you see something more I could do. I really love these pencils and can hardly wait to start the other one.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Jul-2006/43096-102-6-4.jpg

Judi1957
07-28-2006, 11:27 PM
Jeanette-I found the same by blotting with the tacky:thumbsup: Your drawing is devine.

Melissa-she looks beautiful!

Danna-Lovely colors and artistic interpretation! Wonderful ref!

Midge-Love your drawing-the pose is fab!

Les-I hope you are staying warm w/ the Missus!

Rob-You are not slow-you are a perfectionist!

Pat-she looks awesome!

Janine-Great practice pieces-so glad you got your pencils!

John-she looks marvelous-btw I am still on the terra cotta too! So we are neck and neck.

Suzi! Wow-that is fantastic improvement!!!!! Congrats!

Mary-Lovely!!!!!!! I love the look in her eyes!

"J"
07-29-2006, 12:46 AM
I'm calling mine done too. I gave her a fat jaw and lost her nice long neck. I used a touch of the chocolate color.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Jul-2006/84176-P7280005.JPG

Anda G
07-29-2006, 03:13 AM
RWSewell, like everybody else, I love your girl's eyes. Slow is good in this instance. You are doing great. :thumbsup:

John, thanks, yours is really lovely. :)

Janine, dontcha love’m? You can’t hide anything around here. :D

Mary, I love it. I’d call it done, too. :)


"J", she looks like my neighbor. :D Cool.

Les, it's hard to have a light touch if you're shivering too hard. Bundle up. :)

Suzi, thanks, you have a great start on the next step.

Maureen, yours looks a little like the actress from Charlie's Angels. From the 70s. What's her name? Oh, yeah, Farrah Faucet. Pretty.

Good going Judi. I like the lighter hair with her skin tone. Cool.

Melisa, smart to leave out the hand and pearls. I had to go and add more hand. :D Very nice. I like how you are leaving areas for highlights.

Danna, I love the red hair.

I wish I had more time to comment on all the wonderful drawings. But, I have to go to work tomorrow. Sometime. :D

Hi, Robin :wave: You do have a light touch. I try, but get impatient.

Thank you, Al. She's starting to really come out now. I tweaked her nose and eyes some. Started in with the venetion red. I'm trying to show the form of her shoulder on the right. I hope I have a couple more days. I want to be more careful with her hair. I see a few going ahead. :eek:

:)

Andagail http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Jul-2006/59007-venred.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Jul-2006/59007-vnrdup.jpg

alfredart
07-29-2006, 03:26 AM
Judi: you're doing soooo well. This is going to be most wonderful.

Mum: You're doing great that size. It will be a wonderful finish.

Carol: You're doing just fine. These pencils take some gettin' used to.

Melisa; Stunning for sure.

Danna: great finish. I can't wait to see your double. Great shot, sould make a great drawing. Teeth are good...

Midge: For jumping ahead... you can do three more. (ha) Really I like this one, very well done. Remember tho' there's another week of class so you can do more if you wish.

Robert: You may be alittle slow but man is it paying off. You should be teaching this class.

Pat: Really great finish on this one. Please do use the same colors on the next... then you can do another using any color you wish.

Janine: You got your colors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't rush now, you've got plenty of time. This looks great.

Gibson: this is really lookin' good. When you get to the next color she's gonna come to life. Oh yes... and thanks.

Suzi: You're rolling right along. I take it you really like these pencils. (ha)

Mary: Very good finish. Looks great.

Jeanne: So her jaw is abit puffy. Over all you did really good. This first piece is to get you used to working with these pencils. The more you work, the better you'll get. Can't wait to see your next one.

Anda: Yes, yes, yes. She's beging to come alive. Beautiful.

I hope I didn't miss anyone, it's late and I'm tired. I'm so proud of you all... you guys are doing great. Except JayD... where's JayD????

Be looking for your next ref pic guys. And for those who aren't quite finished yet... it's otay. Ya got time, don't rush.

See ya all later.

Peace,
AL

Sumariel
07-29-2006, 06:45 AM
Al, these pencils answer a need for me, in that I have a friend who has watched me in my endeavor to improve my skills at portraiture. He lost his father at the age of 5, his mother when he was 14. The photos of them are B&W that he can find in talking to relatives. He wanted portraits of them, as he is doing his own geneology. Just a simple rendering with graphite, though satisfying in it's size and maleability, did not breathe life into these old pictures, which is what Bry needs for his healing. These pencils will allow me to do that for him. So, yes, I am really enjoying these pencils, LOTS!!!!!

I was examining why I got a closer likeness with the photo of Sophie and failed with the old pic of my uncle. I had propped Sophie's photo on an old frame and had it right above my work at all times. I did not do that with my uncle's photo, but held it or had it down on the table. I am in the midst of "propping", and will start a new piece today. Perspective can play such tricks on the mind!!

Gib, your piece is catching that wistfulness I was after, only you show much greater skill, I like.

Rob, I have a feeling that the pieces that hit your trash bin still so outshine anything I am capable of producing that I would turn green with envy.

Anda, your "Sophie" is looking quite good.

I, too, am feeling like I need to go and say something about each piece, but Al and the moderators are doing such a good job, I am going to plead, "What he said," or "What she said." They are all great, and we are all learning so much from Al and from each other, that I am really looking forward to participating in more online classes!!! Thanks, everybody, this has been, and I hope continues to be fun as well as great learning!!!!!
Suzi

JayD
07-29-2006, 06:58 AM
John, actually I am holding the slowpoke crown right now--I got my pencil drawing worked out and suddenly BLING over the IM come a message from from wife that she has set up 2 days of rip roaring house hunting--so off I go--gotta say I am loving every piece that I see so far--hope I dont disappoint.

Charlie's Mum
07-29-2006, 07:37 AM
Al, this is as far as I can go with the three colours I'm using - adding more Ruby red just makes it redder rather than darker - need to use the Chocolate I think to take out the redness ....... will four colours be OK for you Mr. Teacher Sir? ;)

Les - yes, not far from the Home Factory for these - doesn't make it any easier to buy the individual colours though! :eek:

Anyway - here's the lady aka Farrah Fawcett major - as Anda says!!! :D

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Jul-2006/30494-Derwent_portrait_003.jpg

Mary Woodul
07-29-2006, 08:49 AM
RWSewell, you are doing stunning work on your's. Someone commented on the eyes and I agree!

John, beautiful work!

Sumariel, already on the next one, Wow!

Anda, I think your version is so intersting and you achieved such a lovely softness.

Jeanne, nice work!

Maureen, I love the way you achieved the 3D in yours, your shading is superb and she is lovely.

Al thank you! I have three references of the oldest of my two grandson's but I don't know which would be the best to work with.

"J"
07-29-2006, 09:22 AM
Thanks Mary.

Here is the ref for my individual drawing. And also the sketch I just finished. The photo is of my brother who passed away in 2000 when he was 46 yrs old leaving a 14 yr old son. I will be doing this picture for my nephew for Christmas if it turns out; he will get the framed drawing if it doesn't.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Jul-2006/84176-steve_smaller.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Jul-2006/84176-steve_drawing.jpg

RWSewell
07-29-2006, 02:00 PM
Mary - of your 3 pics I would go with number 2. Pic 1 is a great pose but the flash gives him a washed out look. You would have to exercise some artistic license. Pic 3 has too much shadow, plus he's squinting against the sun. Tho my choice is pic 2, with your skill you could make pic 1 a wonderful picture. (at this point Rob takes out a coin, heads pic 1, tails pic 2, flips it up, "Call it in the air, Mary", palms it, oh looky...)
Your call.

RWSewell
07-29-2006, 02:13 PM
Just a quick update before I run to the beach...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Jul-2006/81425-100_0214.jpg

That lazy eye is really bugging me, but since I'm not getting credit for this I'll cut myself some slack. When I'm at the table, working away, my values seem okay to me, but once I step away (or view it as it looks here) I realize that I have a lot of room for boosting the darks. Just like in my massage work, it's all about pressure. More pressure please.

Sorry, Al - looks like I'm cutting class today. Too beautiful outside! I'll check in tonight. :cool: Rob

bock
07-29-2006, 02:30 PM
Mary, I vote for #2 also.

"J"-that's a very detailed sketch. Will you transfer it to another paper or use this to develop? Looks good!

RW-that is looking good. Maybe that eye will take care of itself once you get more layers on. Have fun at the beach.

Had to get started on my second. Only one week until school starts for me and will be covered up with preparations. Here's my progress so far. Padded my drawing board this time with three sheets of newsprint and I'm finally holding the pencils loosely. I made it hard on myself last time by going too dark in the beginning stages.
Pat

"J"
07-29-2006, 02:53 PM
Bock you picked a hard one. The angle and all. She is very pretty tho and I really like the third one. Getting so detailed.

Yes my drawing is detailed. A subject close to my heart. And if the colored one doesn't turn out, his son will get the drawing.

I am tweeking the drawing right now. Trying to get the eyes better. Changed the mouth and jaw. Will print out a copy, layer some graphite on the back of the copy and then put that on the "good" paper and trace details on. I was dumb on another drawing and put the graphite on the back of the drawing. That was not my smartest moment.

bock
07-29-2006, 03:00 PM
OK I get it. But how will you get a print of the large size we need???
Pat

"J"
07-29-2006, 03:10 PM
Bock you picked a hard one. The angle and all. She is very pretty tho and I really like the third one. Getting so detailed.

Yes my drawing is detailed. A subject close to my heart. And if the colored one doesn't turn out, his son will get the drawing.

I am tweeking the drawing right now. Trying to get the eyes better. Changed the mouth and jaw. Will print out a copy, layer some graphite on the back of the copy and then put that on the "good" paper and trace details on. I was dumb on another drawing and put the graphite on the back of the drawing. That was not my smartest moment.

"J"
07-29-2006, 03:20 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Jul-2006/84176-steve_smaller.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Jul-2006/84176-steve_drawing_fixed_2.jpg

Something still doesn't quite look right but here they are after I adjusted the drawing.

"J"
07-29-2006, 03:28 PM
I'm working smaller. 11x14. I bought a size pad just under the big one he wanted us to use but it was just too much paper. And for now I wanted the ability to scan and put my tracing on. Then I will "perfect the actual sketching on the good paper.

Besides I was a grid user until I came here to Katherines Sketch from Life class. And I haven't quite gotten it down how to make stuff bigger than the actual picture. I am learning tho and very fast. I like the freedom without the grid. And I am not too good at measuring. I just eyeball it.

tyree
07-29-2006, 03:32 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Jul-2006/65063-PT_2.jpg AL....This is my second attempt with Farrah...tried using vellum paper this time with terracotta, brown ochre and a little of vandyke brown for some dark...i think i was a little less heavy handed on this one...your c and c's are very much wanted..thank you for the great class too!!! Everyone has put in such great efforts and comments....tyree :wave:

Judi1957
07-29-2006, 05:40 PM
Hey All:wave:

Posting near done-have a few places to fix and finish yet. I'll be back later to see everyone's wonderful drawings.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Jul-2006/37258-almost.jpg

Striver
07-29-2006, 05:59 PM
J, have a look at the ear lobes, sketch seems much lower to me, also perhaps the nostrils could be a tad wider. Measure them against each other also from a common point.
Shut up Les!
Enjoy
Les

Striver
07-29-2006, 06:07 PM
Mary, I vote No 1, I like the eye's What a dilema for you all great.
Les

Striver
07-29-2006, 08:00 PM
Oh you all must be asleep!
Final decided on my piccy for next week, the light of my life hope i can some justice to him.
Question Al, how do you manage grey silvery hair, would guess another pencil seems obvious but is it? Oh on the Quick reply the image asks for a URL, blessed if I know what that is.
Les

janine9620
07-29-2006, 09:00 PM
Okay here is my final.:) Somehow I just didn't manage to get that head tilted as in the photo, but was pleased with her none the less! Love these pencils!!!!! I tried a couple sepia toned ports in prismas, these are so much easier and natural looking!!! Going in search of my next one!!!! Thanks for the insight into something new! :p janine
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Jul-2006/71776-cl1ss_102.jpg

alfredart
07-29-2006, 09:06 PM
Mary: I'd go with the first one myself.

Mum: You did really good with this one. Can't wait to see what you do next.

Jeanne: looks like a great ref pic to work from. It should work well for you.

Rob: What can I say... it's gonna be a masterpiece.

Tyree: I like this second one alot. Lighter, smoother, you're getting there. Just need to work on blending a bit.

Judi: Very nice indeed. I think your getting the hang of it just fine.

Les: Silver gray hair... let the paper work for you. Lightly work Brown Ochre as your base and lightest color. Then start shaping and adding hair lines of Terracotta and finish off with just a touch of Venetian red along the part line and roots. I've done one or two like this and it works well.

Janine: Good finish, very well done.

You guys have done soooo well. The next one will come easy for you. I've started another one this afternoon. Too hot to go outside so what better excuse to sit inside and draw...

Peace,
AL

gibson99
07-29-2006, 09:25 PM
I am going to call this finished. If I keep going now I am going to screw something up. What I will do is put it aside for a while then look at it again. this seems to work for me. Since this is a class I know that there is not enought time for that so this is my finished. What a great lesson. Al, please comment on perhaps what you would have done different.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Jul-2006/44925-exercise053.jpg

Here is my next! My beloved Wife, Barbara
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Jul-2006/44925-Barbara049.jpg

"J"
07-29-2006, 10:24 PM
Thanks Les. My husband had said the same thing about the nose. I did measure and the nose area is too long. Instead of re drawing it, I will make a copy from the original so I can get started.

Anda G
07-29-2006, 11:52 PM
Hi, everybody. I think I renamed her Farrah. :lol: I got the spelling wrong, but oh, well.

Thanks, Al. I am trying to stay soft. I went a little crazy on the hair. Did I go dark enough overall? Do I need to add another layer of Ven. Red? Any tips will be helpful to me. I was tempted to use chocolate, but stayed with the three colors.:angel: Too bad I can't close her mouth some. She looks like Mary at the cross. Like she'll cry any minute. :D

John, your Sophie is so pretty. Your wife's picture will be, too. You have a good model.

I am going to upload this and go read the rest and look at all the other Sophie/Farrahs. Now all'a y'all are going ahead of me. :eek:
(I gotta go over it again. Lines :))

Andagail http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Jul-2006/59007-morevenred.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Jul-2006/59007-upcloseandpersonal.jpg

"J"
07-29-2006, 11:52 PM
Here is where I am so far. I have the first color down and working on the terracotta.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Jul-2006/84176-P7290001.JPG

Anda G
07-30-2006, 12:10 AM
How is this for the next assignment? I did this before in graphite, but I don't think I went dark enough. It would be nice to give to my mom. These are two of her great-grands, my nieces' kids.

Andagail http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Jul-2006/59007-cousins.jpg

shuste73
07-30-2006, 12:43 AM
Been following this thread but had to wait to get my pencils and had some other things going on (like the wine glass in the weekly drawing event over on the drawing and sketching forum).

Anyway, here's my initial sketch (willow vine charcoal) and my third stage - with midtones (just the terracotta wasn't interesting enough to post).

I'm still working it and I don't see this thread ending anytime soon, so I'm taking my sweet time. Besides, my set didn't come with Vermillion so I have to find that or use Chocolate (which is a "drawing pastel" not a "drawing pencil").

So far I like this technique. I hope it's a good add to my portfolio.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Jul-2006/78376-3color-stage1-charcoal-small.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Jul-2006/78376-3color-stage3-midtones-small.jpg

"J"
07-30-2006, 01:55 AM
Here is my next update.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Jul-2006/84176-P7290001.JPG

"J"
07-30-2006, 04:40 AM
Well I think I am finished. Haven't decided whether there will be a background or not.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Jul-2006/84176-P7300002.JPG

alfredart
07-30-2006, 04:48 AM
Gibson: Beautiful finish. Looks great.

Anda: Wonderful finish as well. I like the name change. I'm glad you were able to keep the soft look of this. You're next will be most wonderful. Beautiful children.

Steve: thanks for joining in. Looks like you're off to a great start.

Jeanne: That was quick. Looks good. You might want to work on the hair a bit. It looks too perfect. Think it would work better if you had some wild strands here and there.

I thought I'd have a go with you guys. Can't let you have all the fun. I worked on this some this afternoon while watching TV since it was toooooo hot to do anything outdoors. I'm still working on my second layer of color getting some different values worked in. Still alittle sketchy.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Jul-2006/37195-me.jpg

Peace,
AL

Striver
07-30-2006, 05:23 AM
Live one All? sort of mirror image.
Les

blindhorse
07-30-2006, 08:41 AM
Hello Al and fellow classmates
Here is a quick physiology lesson for you all. Inside the eye is a pocket of fluid called the vitreous body. As we age this fluid begins to gel and eventually will pull loose from the inner walls of the eye. This usually occurs with little or no notice by the person. However sometimes when this happens it is accompanied by bright flashes of light and can leave the field of vision looking a lot like someone dropped their glasses in wet grass.
Just as Al posted the first assignment ( I loved the reference photo, by the way) my right eye decided to remind me that I am no longer twenty (see above). I havent been able to see pencil lines well enough to get my first drawing completed. It is slowly getting better but I am probably going to have to save this class and come back to it in a few months. (Insert frowny face) I'll be following along but won't be able to post for now.
By the way, if this happens to any of you don't panic, my eye doctor assures me that it will get better over time.

Lady Carol
07-30-2006, 09:30 AM
Al, how interesting. Are you really loaded up with all those tats? :evil: :D

At least the second one is not the obligatory self portrait for all :lol:

Africanart
07-30-2006, 09:44 AM
Hi There

My word you all just let rip on this class in this week that I have been gone. I can tell that you are having a blast with this. There is some really good drawings here.

I am back and ready to jump in.

Al here is my test doodles, not much but I feel really comfortable with them. I am going to add in my first drawing I did with these pencils. I did it on pastel paper 11 x 14. I have to say that I do not think the pastel paper is a good paper for these pencils especially if you want to get details, to "ridgy" if that makes sense. Maybe if I went bigger it would have been ok. This is more sketchy like because that is what I wanted and I was more intereseted in catching the expressions then anything else.

I am going to try and start on the second assignment today...that is if the kids would let me and if this cold would let me:(

Thanks
Mary

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Jul-2006/69011-basic6test.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Jul-2006/69011-Mothers-Love.jpg

Sumariel
07-30-2006, 09:47 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Jul-2006/82344-Uncle_Bob.jpg

I am still building up the terracotta on this "take". I have a sinking feeling I may be revisiting this photo many times before my skills reach a level where I feel I can do justice to people's memories. I love the self portrait, Al, what characters thrive in this community!!!!
Suzi

robynsin
07-30-2006, 11:09 AM
Al - Excuse me jumping in without commenting on everyone's wonderful work. I've been following every move - but couldn't get hold of the Derwent pencils. Finally I bought some Caran D'ache pencils in similar colours and I've started drawing, because I just hate missing out. I'm jumping in now because I was touched by BLINDHORSE'S eye problem.

Blindhorse - You are absolutely spot on with your very important and useful information. This happened to me recently and it was very frightening because I have a friend trying to recover from a detatched retina - which is very serious and can result in the loss of sight. Problem is the symptoms are exactly the same. It is most important to go straight to an eye specialist (retina specialist in fact) if you notice white flashess in the corner of your vision and 'floaters' moving across your field of vision. You will probably be lucky like Blindhorse and me - and it will only be Old Age :lol: - but really important to have it checked out. I don't understand why people are not made aware of this very common condition. And there ends the public health announcement:)

robyn

Taurus41
07-30-2006, 12:01 PM
Hi AL

Am late, but still here and going for it. This is how far I have got. Have been busy, and still unable to get the Derwent Pencils. But am determined to try.

Tz

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Jul-2006/60853-tz_basics_101-6_a2.jpg

gibson99
07-30-2006, 12:30 PM
J – I really like your second drawing. Very good.
Al – Thanks, What a wonderful drawing. Is it a self portrait?
Africanart – better late then never. Good start.
Sumariel – Looks great. Good likeness and very soft.
Tereza – Like the blocked in hair.
Tyree – nice. I like the texture.
Judi – Very good. I like the hair.
Janine – good contrasts.
Anda – Nice and soft. I really like the angle.

Shuste – good start on the first , good texture and likeness on the second

Charles Mum – Great Shadows.
RWSewell – Beautiful Eyes

Bock – Loved your first one and now your second is wonderful.
Mlelevier – Very good likeness and shading.

Mmdm – looking good.

Mauricar – love that pose

Danna – looks good
Robin – Very good start!
JD - looking forward to seeing yours. Good luck on the house hunting.

I apologize for anybody I left out . It was not intentional

Anda G
07-30-2006, 01:05 PM
Al, I think I am going to need to use the chocolate on my brunette girl. Her hair is a rich brown. Are we allowed to go to four colors yet? You said something about it awhile back. I cant remember which page.

Andagail

Sumariel
07-30-2006, 01:18 PM
Thanks, Gib, I have a tendency to stay too soft, so am not sure where I will take this before I am done. There are not many alive who remember this man, so it's mostly for my own benefit. If I mess it up, I'll just start over. Thanks for the encouragement about getting the likeness, though, since that has been the biggest struggle. A 3/4 pose shouldn't be that difficult to "get", but this one has been a challenge!!

Blindhorse~I have diabetes, so this is something that is watched closely for me by the Dr.s, I am glad yours is just the issue of aging, frustrating as that is, at least there is the encouragement that it will get better. Along with your advice about not panicking, I would like to assure those who do experience this that the newer surgeries have been quite successful in restoring sight when the retina tears. Good luck, and I hope it works out that it does not take as long as predicted before you can see fine enough detail to draw again.

I am fascinated by all of the styles that we show in our work. It's rather wonderful to see how many get truly strong likenesses to the photo, while still looking quite different from each others. Even those who are not working for exact likenesses, but are working on technique or style are just simply marvelous! This has been a great deal of fun, and a strong learning experience. It's encouraging to us newbies to have people like Gib and Rob tell us even they, who are accomplished in their own right, are learning along with us!
Suzi

PS, Andagail, your row of portraits of little ones are truly fun to look at, and quite good too!

blindhorse
07-30-2006, 02:03 PM
Sumariel, Thanks for the good wishes. I'm gnawing on my own arm in frustration but keep reminding myself it WILL get better.

Robynsin,
Yup thats exactly what my doc told me too. Good idea to elaborate a little on the symptoms to report right away.

Everyone,
Ditto the pardon for not commenting on everyone's work. I am in awe of you guys and how well you are all doing. There is an amazing amount of talent amoungst you and it's very encouraging to watch you all work and learn.

Lurking in the back corner for now.......

Africanart
07-30-2006, 02:03 PM
Ok so here is my first sketch (chosen portrait by AL) - I had a bit of a problem with the line drawing - but I think that is cold meds setting in. I have just started the blocking in process with the yellow ochre and then I am going to finish it of the darker color (sorry can't remember the name). Thought I should get this scanned in before I get all carried away and forget until the whole piece is done :D

Here goes.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Jul-2006/69011-basic61.jpg

Thanks
Mary

Africanart
07-30-2006, 02:28 PM
Here is my last step with this piece, added in the darker shades with the terracota,

Thanks

mary

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Jul-2006/69011-basic62.jpg

gibson99
07-30-2006, 02:37 PM
Well, Here is the initial drawing of my beloved wife. I am treading on thin Ice with this one:o . My wife wonderful and very forgiving , but I better do a good job:eek:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Jul-2006/44925-exerciseII054.jpg

Striver
07-30-2006, 02:45 PM
Good start John.
les

Sumariel
07-30-2006, 03:03 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Jul-2006/82344-Uncle_Bob_001.jpg

OK, you veterans at this portraiture thing . . . how come the closer I get, the farther away I seem to be? I thought I was doing fairly well, but I already see things to correct that I had never spotted before, GRRRRRRRRRRR!
Suzi

RWSewell
07-30-2006, 06:00 PM
Hey Suzi,
3/4 head shots are no picnic, since they come with their own set of rules and guidelines. You've got the likeness and you've got the proper head angle. The problem I see is the line of the eyes. The nose and mouth are spot-on - 3/4 angle. The eyes, however, are not rendered as a 3/4 pose, but straight on. The left eye (our left) should be closer to your mid-line, while the right eye should be slightly more away from the mid-line. Do a tracing of the eyes and then move that tracing back and forth over the mid-line of the drawing and you should see what I mean.
Ah, the hazards of drawing from a flat photograph. I don't envy you the ref photo you're working with, since it appears certain anatomical details are washed out, particularly the eyes. You're doing go, tho. Almost there.
-Rob

alfredart
07-30-2006, 06:10 PM
Hey les: no mirror, I took a photo.

Blindhorse: now I see where the name came from. I do hope it gets better soon.

Carol: Yes I'm loaded. And no you don't have to do a self portrait. Although, it ain't a bad idea. (he,he)

Mary: lookin' real good there. Thanks for jumping in.

Suzi: keep building as this ones looking great.

Robyn: Use what ever you can get. Love to have you. By the way, you can order them from DB. They have a goooood price on them too.

Tereza: Looks like you're off to a good start. Just remember to let the hair flow.

Anda: you can use the chocolate but try first layering Terracotta and V Red first. You can get it really dark plus you end up with a richer color.

Gibson: Yep, that's me. Looks like you're off to a great start with the wife. She's gonna love it.

Peace,
AL

Striver
07-30-2006, 06:56 PM
Suzie, if you want comments? show the reference also. i also seem to see more faults when i post, suppose it would make sense before posting to put the ref and sketch alongside each other on the screen tweak & post. If your ref is black/white, why not grey scale your scan before posting to check the tones etc.
Main thing is you obviously are enjoying and learning, arent we fortunate, so many people miss the Art & color in life, Zombie's.
Enjoy, oh just thought must scan & post the current one, stand bye to be awed or break out in fits of uncontrolable laughter.
See you soon
Les

Striver
07-30-2006, 07:08 PM
Here tis tink its finished for this one, will try another on better paper, this is watercolor 300grm and obviously too much tooth. Put your tongue to the roof of mouth and smile.:cat: Out for rest of day now.
Cheers
Les:wave:

mauricar
07-30-2006, 08:38 PM
Les, what colors did you use? The arm holes look more black then chocolate. I really like it though.

Anda G
07-30-2006, 08:57 PM
Les, I really like that effect you have on that picture of the little boy. Cool.

Thanks, Al. I will stay with the three colors. I am impatient to go dark right away. I guess that's what a lot of people want to do.

Here is my completed Lady Sophie. I went as dark as I felt like going. :D

If I need to fix something, I will, otherwise, she is done.

On to my line drawing of the girls. I have to do a "smiling one" of the brunette because her mother thinks I like the blonde one better. I did 2 smiling pictures before of the blonde girl and 2 nonsmiling but pretty pictures of the brunette. :rolleyes: Kids. Well, she's 26 now. :lol:

Andagail http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Jul-2006/59007-itbdone.jpg