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rosebard
04-22-2006, 09:59 PM
Hi Guys, here we are. New week ahead of us. For few weeks I havent being able to participate, but cant stop coming and look everyweek at everyones study, effort, painting, sketch and above all Art inspired by Classical folks of the past.

I often have problems with periods of history that relates to Classical Art.

Is Realism art today the same as from the past?

According to what I have read online, Realism from the past was a moviment from mid 18th, that rendered subjects in a straight forward manner without idealizations, also a movement that was born as a rection against romanticism and neoclassicism. In the mid 19th it had it high point and it was almost a well organized movement in France, inspired by some great lanscape painters como Corot, Millet and the Barbizon School.

They also influenced American painters like Eakens and Tanner that studied in France. The french realism was a great influence upon the impressionist. The Ashcan school, the american scene painters and finally the Contemporary Realism have their tradition build upon the Realism of the past.

John Singleton
Young Lady with a Bird and Dog,
1767, oil on canvas.

http://cgfa.sunsite.dk/copley/copley39.jpg

Camille Corot (French)
View of Genoa, 1834,
oil on paper mounted on canvas

http://cgfa.sunsite.dk/corot/corot2.jpg

Jean-François Millet (French)
The Bouquet of Daisies
1871-74
Pastel on beige paper

http://cgfa.sunsite.dk/m/millet3.jpg

Martin, Homer Dodge American, 1836-1887
A Wilderness Pool
Oil on canvas

http://cgfa.sunsite.dk/m/hdmartin2.jpg

Ashcan School painter
Thomas Eakins, American Realist Painter, 1844-1916
Study of a Standing Nude Woman, undated, charcoal and black crayon on pink laid paper

http://cgfa.sunsite.dk/eakins/eakins7.jpg

Charles Burchfield
American Scene Painter, 1893-1967
Lavendar and Old Lace, 1939-47, watercolor on paper

http://cgfa.sunsite.dk/b/burchfield1.jpg

As for contemporary realist artists I could mention a number of artists that I greatly admire like William Whitaker, Paul Seaton, Carol Alisson, .... it is a long list. And there are so many others that works I have admired so greatly.

Well, after that you guys can figure I am a Realist painter at heart. :) :) :) At least trying as nature arent so easy to render with paints and brush. :) But it is a challenge to do it. :)

Hope you all have a great time on the journey this week. :)

Fish<><
04-22-2006, 10:43 PM
Bard, Thanks for starting us out this week! Great bit of info and I really like the examples you've posted along with the info. I have been very interested in the Ashcan School and have tried to find a book specificaly about these artists but have continually come up empty. Anyone got any suggestions? I know it's a little out of the period we're focusing on in this project, but I need to know. :lol: Thanks guys!

PushingPixels
04-23-2006, 10:50 AM
Question about avatar... yep it's your truly. I look good cause the pic is so small. LOL LOL

GREAT pics and again some new artists. I have always Loved Thomas Eakins another one I truly love is Thomas Moran

Thomas Moran, Trojes Mine, 1883
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Apr-2006/44004-moran.jpg

rosebard
04-23-2006, 11:11 AM
Hi Keith. I dont have books available but if I find something online I let you know. Dont think it is not part of our project at all, as I have read Ashcan school is based on Realism tradition. Did you read a thread Barb started while ago? Very interesting. I think realism was more a reaction to romaticism than classicism. Very interesting subject I should have a look more close and read more about.
Here is the link in case you like to have a look.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=336207

You look great there Barbara. You so kind and sweet and that shows in your pic for sure no matter the size.

Lovely painting from Thomas Moran. I am glad you liked the pics I posted. I was amazed to see different medias too.

I think I want to do that sketch in charcoal. :)

Fish<><
04-23-2006, 07:12 PM
Bard - Thanks for that link! Great bit of info there. I would have to consider myself to fall into the painterly/romantic side of that discussion. It's probably a little mundane, but I and a very big fan of the Impressionists Monet, Sisley, Pissaro and Cezanne in particular. But, I am also a fan of the more classical painters as well.

I guess that's why I jumped in here! :lol: I will keep the Ashcan School handy in case I am unable to find a reference one week. ;)

tyree
04-23-2006, 10:55 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Apr-2006/65063-botti.jpg sandro botticelli 1445-1510..la primavera..translated allegory of spring...1477-1478..oil on panel in the galleria uffizi..florence..italian early renassance....graphite, pastel on strathmore vellum 300 series...tyree

tyree
04-23-2006, 10:58 PM
rose...thanks for starting the week with these wonderful paintings,,,great start...barb...very pretty avatar~~:angel: tyree

Nickel
04-23-2006, 10:58 PM
Outstanding intro Rose to this week :thumbsup: Thanks for hosting and I enjoy reading and seeing the pics.

Thanks too to Eileen for hosting last week! :clap: :clap: :clap:

Barbara, I enjoy seeing you too! :D :wave:

Hi Keith, I like your fav artists too! But I like most all artists. It is hard for me to not like a artist. :angel:

Well going to get on my hobby horse and tag along and see what I can do this week to make you raise your eyebrows and say OH MY! :wave:

Fish<><
04-24-2006, 09:46 AM
Tyree - WOW!!! Fantastic! :clap: I really like her eyes.

tyree
04-24-2006, 11:09 AM
thank you keith:smug: tyree

Nickel
04-24-2006, 01:57 PM
Susan, so beautiful, your art is blooming with your joy of expression!

I missed this yesterday.

So glad I took a peek back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Love the eyes!

And the lips!

What beautiful lips!

The eyes and the lips certainly tell a story!

And I love the glow!

Nickel :))

rosebard
04-24-2006, 08:46 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Apr-2006/65063-botti.jpg sandro botticelli 1445-1510..la primavera..translated allegory of spring...1477-1478..oil on panel in the galleria uffizi..florence..italian early renassance....graphite, pastel on strathmore vellum 300 series...tyree

Hi Susan this is my favorite of yours. Gosh what lovely eyes. So expressive. What a wonderfull job! :clap:

tyree
04-25-2006, 06:49 PM
why thank you kindly rose and nickel....tyree:wave: :o

PushingPixels
04-25-2006, 08:14 PM
:clap: http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Apr-2006/65063-botti.jpg sandro botticelli 1445-1510..la primavera..translated allegory of spring...1477-1478..oil on panel in the galleria uffizi..florence..italian early renassance....graphite, pastel on strathmore vellum 300 series...tyree:clap:

Very Pretty Tyree

Fish<><
04-26-2006, 12:58 PM
Not real happy with what came out of my attempt this week. :envy: I am not real good with colored pencils but I think I managed to learn a little about the figure in this study so it is not a total loss. :lol:

You can click here (http://www.louvre.fr/llv/oeuvres/detail_notice.jsp;jsessionid=GPlRgNWBppv8LcM6gl955sn9qy7Bdy3g724zrTGvWDvJhZ3Ndm1V!307661361?CONTENT%3C%3Ecnt_id=10134198673225741&CURRENT_LLV_NOTICE%3C%3Ecnt_id=10134198673225741&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=9852723696500826&fromDept=true&baseIndex=49&bmUID=1146070289819&bmLocale=en) for info and my reference from Parmigianino.

"Two canephores (basket carriers) holding hands," 8 x 9, colored pencil
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Apr-2006/54332-17_Parmigianino.jpg

rosebard
04-26-2006, 04:24 PM
I love specially how you got that golden color of those jars. Lovely reference you have chosen to work on. Nice job! :)

tyree
04-26-2006, 09:25 PM
keith...love the muted colour, and good job on the figure work!!!! barb...thank you also:heart: tyree:wave:

Mony G
04-27-2006, 02:49 AM
Hi again !
PushingPixel's face freom Botticelli is lovely, nice and soft... ! ... and Fish's work isn't so bad... although it seems to me that the canephores' legs are a bit short... but apart from that I think it is well done .... and Bard's information was really interesting and useful to me!
Would you like to take a look to this drawing of mine : I was working on a copy from "Venus, Cupid and Mars " by Lambert Sustris .. (unfortunately my scanner reproduced only a part !) but I hope it's enough to get a good idea of it . I was thinking about shading the whole but my painting teacher ( I go to oil painting classes on Saturdays ) suggested me to leave it the way it is... as we both think it actually does express the composed sensuality of the original .

Do you like it ? My teacher wants to make a copy of this one himself! ( do you think it's an infectious virus or something like that?)

Cheers for now

Monyhttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Apr-2006/77963-File0525zip.jpg

Mony G
04-27-2006, 02:49 AM
Oops! Sorry!...

Fish<><
04-27-2006, 08:56 AM
Mony - That's a great drawing! I agree that it works very well like that.

Thanks for your comments on mine as well. I agree that the legs are a little short but didn't notice it till you said that. :)

rosebard
04-27-2006, 09:09 AM
Mony I think too that just the outlines are very powerfull and meaninfull. I like it as it is. What you can do if you want to work this in color, is to use a paper to transfer to another support. I am sure you could make a lovely color version of it too.

Would you do it in oils? :)

PushingPixels
04-28-2006, 10:01 AM
Hi Guys :) It has been one heck of a week but I just can't help popin in from time to time. You guys are having such fun I want to play. Maybe tonight. Anyhoo Fish I feel your pain with color pensils. I can never quite get the brilliance I want outa them. In the pensil forum I read that some people go lightly and the melt or blend the medium with turp or denatured alcohol. I've been meaning to try that. I agree with bard I love your jars.

Mony the bottichelli is actually from Tyree:angel: I just did the quote button and left the pic in it. I'm lazy and enjoy seeing the art again anyway. LOL,

Mony a lovely contour line drawing... by golly I think you nailed it. The picture scan... did you check the crop before you accepted the scan. You can crop an image. If my pic is large sometimes I take a photo (digital) or scan it in halves and paste it together in photoshop. (The best thing geeks ever invented in my opinion):cool: I actually taught a computer class to an 80 year old woman last night. It is quite fun to open up new doors for people. I'd like to volunteer at puplic libraries when I retire. So many plans so little time :music: :music: :music:

rhysyllanfair
04-28-2006, 01:49 PM
Hello, folks: Here's my entry for week 17 - an 8"x10" oil on canvas board copy of a Thomas Eakins picture of a young girl. You can view the original here:

http://cgfa.sunsite.dk/eakins/p-eakins8.htm

There's also a smaller image accompanied by an interesting story at www.theroseandthornezine.com that you may enjoy reading.

I followed the classical techniques of grisaille and color glazes and I may do some more work on it when I have some time. I'm pretty happy with the drawing but less so with some of the skin tones. Thanks for looking and comments or criticism are most welcome.

Roberthttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Apr-2006/49654-Eakins_Girl.JPG

Mony G
04-28-2006, 03:30 PM
Hi Guys :) It has been one heck of a week but I just can't help popin in from time to time. You guys are having such fun I want to play. Maybe tonight. Anyhoo Fish I feel your pain with color pensils. I can never quite get the brilliance I want outa them. In the pensil forum I read that some people go lightly and the melt or blend the medium with turp or denatured alcohol. I've been meaning to try that. I agree with bard I love your jars.

Mony the bottichelli is actually from Tyree:angel: I just did the quote button and left the pic in it. I'm lazy and enjoy seeing the art again anyway. LOL,

Mony a lovely contour line drawing... by golly I think you nailed it. The picture scan... did you check the crop before you accepted the scan. You can crop an image. If my pic is large sometimes I take a photo (digital) or scan it in halves and paste it together in photoshop. (The best thing geeks ever invented in my opinion):cool: I actually taught a computer class to an 80 year old woman last night. It is quite fun to open up new doors for people. I'd like to volunteer at puplic libraries when I retire. So many plans so little time :music: :music: :music:

Hi again!
Sorry I mixed up the names of the author of the Botticelli copy..... I can be so absent-minded sometimes! Hope Tyree will forgive me :o

Glad to know you like my drawing ... I can assure you it's better for everybody that I don't try to do it in oils.. I'm not so good at that!... and I'm not too good at computers either!

:wave: Mony

tyree
04-28-2006, 06:32 PM
mony...thats a very very lovely drawing, good work!!!! robert...that vivid background just makes that woman pop out, shes beautiful...wonderful job!!! tyree:wave:

rosebard
04-28-2006, 07:57 PM
Very nice Robert!! :) I will be adding my entry tomorrow. Take care all and thanks for the lovely entries!! :)

PushingPixels
04-29-2006, 02:35 AM
excellent rendition Robert, :clap: I think the hairline might come a little closer in to the face on the original or the shading may be darker or something. But you certainly got color and the drawing down very well! If this is oil you must have spent quite a lot of time and it shows.

Nickel
04-29-2006, 12:38 PM
Hi Guys & Girls!!!!!!!!!

Hope your week has been exciting! Mine seems so full of chaos!
But I think because I have been so busy.....
Finally unpacked my paints and worked.


This is a quick study from life, 2 hours and will need some more fine tuning
in shapes after Cardinal in his Study by Lorenzo Costa

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Apr-2006/39040-65color.jpg

I'll be back after fixing hubby some lunch and comment on the journey this week.

rosebard
04-29-2006, 02:48 PM
Nickel what a lovely still life! I loved it. :)

tyree
04-29-2006, 07:09 PM
nickel...wow...that glass and the shadows are wonderful, excellent!!!! tyree:wave:

Nickel
04-29-2006, 07:44 PM
Thanks Rose and Susan, I piddled a little more, nice relaxing study.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Apr-2006/39040-crop69.jpg

The little bottle looks a little better, the light changed so different. What can you do? Values can use some adjustment. Otherwise, I am pretty pleased. Use one brush a size 6 round for the whole thing. That's nice, only one to clean. :) 9x12" on canvas paper.

Rose you did an excellent job hosting! Thank you so much!

Going to start week 18 and head back here. :wave: Nickel

Nickel
04-29-2006, 08:42 PM
I have always Loved Thomas Eakins another one I truly love is Thomas Moran

Thomas Moran, Trojes Mine, 1883
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Apr-2006/44004-moran.jpg

Hi Barbara, is this in California? Nice painting, a great view of the mountains and full of emotion! :wave: Nickel

Nickel
04-29-2006, 08:48 PM
Not real happy with what came out of my attempt this week. :envy: I am not real good with colored pencils but I think I managed to learn a little about the figure in this study so it is not a total loss. :lol:



"Two canephores (basket carriers) holding hands," 8 x 9, colored pencil
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Apr-2006/54332-17_Parmigianino.jpg

I don't know much about color pencils Keith but I think over all you did a really good job of showing the gold. You have also captured some movement in your work. Anything we learn is always good!:wave: Nickel

Nickel
04-29-2006, 09:08 PM
Do you like it ? My teacher wants to make a copy of this one himself! ( do you think it's an infectious virus or something like that?)

Cheers for now

Monyhttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Apr-2006/77963-File0525zip.jpg

Hi Mony, yes I like your drawing very much! Very nice lines and a lovely compliment from your teacher that he would like to have a copy! Well Done!:thumbsup: Nickel :)

Nickel
04-29-2006, 09:17 PM
I followed the classical techniques of grisaille and color glazes and I may do some more work on it when I have some time. I'm pretty happy with the drawing but less so with some of the skin tones. Thanks for looking and comments or criticism are most welcome.

Roberthttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Apr-2006/49654-Eakins_Girl.JPG

Hi Robert! Lovely study! I really don't see on my computer a problem with the skin tones. Might be because my comp is so old. ;) What do you see in real life that you think needs work as far as the skin tone? More yellow, red, green or blue? I'd like to see her again if you work some more on her.
:wave: Nickel

I love the deep green background! Oh, sometimes too, you may may already know this, the background so effects the skintone. It is something to consider when things bother you about the skin.

rhysyllanfair
04-30-2006, 07:31 AM
Nickel,thanks for your comments. It doesn't show so well in my photograph but the areas that concern me are the cooler shadows where the hair joins her face, the back of her arm and the area under her chin. They are washed out and too light, but as I have darkened them they are in too great contrast with the other skin tones. In Eakins' original, there is something wonderful going on in those areas that I am having trouble achieving. Right now, I am letting it dry thouroughly and then am going to try a darker, dry-brush layer in those areas to see if I can achieve what I'm looking for. Any advice from anyone would be geatly appreciated.

Robert

PushingPixels
04-30-2006, 11:15 AM
Thanks Rose and Susan, I piddled a little more, nice relaxing study.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Apr-2006/39040-crop69.jpg



LOVELY, love the colors and treatment and the additions to the glass bottle. :thumbsup:

PushingPixels
04-30-2006, 11:19 AM
Being that I am slightly compulsive... just slightly I am posting my progress on my paper mosaic this week. Oh Nickel did you think I did this landscape by Thomas Moran... I'm flattered if you did. Batting my eyelashes as I speak,,, LOL
anyway here is my progress shot but I'm second guessing some areas in the ocean. Watta you think???

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Apr-2006/44004-papermos2.jpg

Nickel
04-30-2006, 12:07 PM
Nickel,thanks for your comments. It doesn't show so well in my photograph but the areas that concern me are the cooler shadows where the hair joins her face, the back of her arm and the area under her chin. They are washed out and too light, but as I have darkened them they are in too great contrast with the other skin tones. In Eakins' original, there is something wonderful going on in those areas that I am having trouble achieving. Right now, I am letting it dry thouroughly and then am going to try a darker, dry-brush layer in those areas to see if I can achieve what I'm looking for. Any advice from anyone would be geatly appreciated.

Robert


Hi Robert, these are just my thoughts, Eakins seems to have very transparent shadows, almost as if it is part of his tone for the canvas. I don't know off-hand if he used a toned canvas. He also seems to have lost edges with the hair, neck area. In otherwords looks one in the same almost. The lights seem much more opaque. The background too has lost edges along the hair. I hesitate to recommend any technique for you to use as I am a live and learn painter. Each painting has its own value. Try what you think is good. Also I believe what we see on the monitor is not real life compared to looking at a real art that we have in front of us(exception made for those that create on the computer):) The first time I hung wallpaper, my sister stuck her nose right up to the wall to see if I got the seams to meet. Dah,:rolleyes: stand back and look I thought! Looking at the shadows again on his painting, it looks burnt sienna & black mixed, maybe raw umber in the darker areas. It's a best guess from here. I could be reallllllly wrong but I try to be right. :angel:

Nickel
04-30-2006, 12:17 PM
Being that I am slightly compulsive... just slightly I am posting my progress on my paper mosaic this week. Oh Nickel did you think I did this landscape by Thomas Moran... I'm flattered if you did. Batting my eyelashes as I speak,,, LOL
anyway here is my progress shot but I'm second guessing some areas in the ocean. Watta you think???

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Apr-2006/44004-papermos2.jpg

Hi yah Barbara! Let's have a batting eye party! I did that the other day at a guy bagging my groceries and I thought he would fall over laughing at me. :lol:

I love the progress on your mosaic! You write you are second guessing some areas in the ocean, you have to tell me more :)

What are your plans for the sky? That will effect the entire value range for your ocean.

Are you planning a varnish for the finished work? . It is beautiful! I love it! :wave:

Nickel

PushingPixels
04-30-2006, 04:34 PM
sample..
The sky may lend more to the orange like a sunset at dusk..
but does the variation in dark to light in the waves look believable or should I add more blue green in the lighter areas???
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Apr-2006/44004-sample.jpg

Nickel
04-30-2006, 05:54 PM
Maybe this will help give an idea.

At sea off the coast of N. Carolina, sunset

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Apr-2006/39040-P1090112.jpg

:wave:


Forgot to say, look right where the sun hits the water, do you see the orange reflections. Water is like glass in that it reflects the light. So maybe some orange in the water would possibly work.

PushingPixels
04-30-2006, 06:53 PM
thanks-good reference pic. ill keep ya posted :D

Fish<><
04-30-2006, 11:10 PM
Good golly! I don't know if I can keep up with you people! Seems like I am falling more behind every week. :(

Robert - Your portrait is lovely!
Nickel - The stilllife you got this week is great!
Pixel - Great progress! As for the ocean, I would suggest a little darker in the areas closer to you. That tends to lend some greater depth or perspective to the horizon.

rosebard
05-01-2006, 04:51 PM
Hi guys! My humble entry. :)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-May-2006/54461-photos_728.jpg

Sorry I being very busy on the last few days. Nickel it is always a pleasure to walk alongside you. And this is a great group of people. Great way to meet new artists and works.

Thanks all for a very good week.

Nickel
05-01-2006, 07:06 PM
Nice sketch Rose! Very nice. I like the shadow work on my right.
For some reason she reminds me of Dali's Girl at the Window :D
Glad your back, missed you.

Nickel
05-01-2006, 07:08 PM
Barbara, I can't wait to see what you do with the mosaic!

Keith, Not leaving you this time. ;) Your doing great!