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vhere
04-05-2006, 09:15 AM
Hi

I do a lot of digital imagery (using Photoshop mainly) and have been requested to teach a mental health group how to use Microsoft Paint.

It will be partly concentrating on using a computer - saving/opening/using the mouse etc, right up from very basic stuff and partly on the art work (I normally teach painting with traditional materials)

I wondered if any of you would be prepared to use your skills to do a small painting in MSPaint that I can show them? I'd like to have a variety of styles and subjects to show what can be done. I've done some myself but would be interested to see what others come up with - if you are prepared to? I thought with the skill and knowledge shown here that people may come up with some interesting stuff.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y98/vivien2/trees.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y98/vivien2/e3kings.jpg

these are 2 doodles I came up with :)

It seems to me to lend itself to illustrational/graphic images .... but maybe you know better :)

Skinny
04-05-2006, 10:33 AM
Gosh, Vivien, I've never used Microsoft Paint, but I'll give it a try. I sure like your "doodles"!

vhere
04-05-2006, 11:45 AM
thanks :) I'd appreciate it (no nor had I except when I very first touched a computer years ago! but if I'm teaching it, I'd better understand it!)

Skinny
04-05-2006, 08:27 PM
Well, here's my first effort. It will really demonstrate why YOU are the teacher. :cool: I kept looking for the smudge tool, the rotate option, etc...:D

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2006/23354-Underwater.JPG

nafa
04-05-2006, 09:21 PM
Just search for MSPaint best artwork and you will find plenty of amazing work, some done with the mouse! Here are two:

http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/nikki/mspaint.html
http://www.ubersite.com/m/84167

Obviously you have to take the artists' word on the software used.

fugitive
04-06-2006, 03:05 AM
What is their level of understanding, are they retarded, should a child like thing be used?

Skinny
04-06-2006, 05:20 AM
Greg, I doubt the participants are retarded. A friend of mine runs such a program in Houston for older folks who have never used a computer before. The idea is to give them one more possible hobby in their retirement years.

Participants who enjoy the challenge frequently graduate to more advanced programs. My friend is 85 and hadn't used a computer until six years ago. She now sends me wonderful greeting cards that she's made herself.

The best part, though, is that we're in touch daily by email now that the computer doesn't intimidate her.

fugitive
04-06-2006, 05:44 AM
Isn't that great, old folks getting puterized. I was kinda old when I started, and was like a kid with a new toy, let me d/l this, and that, back in '95, I got a puter at work, it was a 486/66 and I had screensavers glalore and all kinds of graphics proggies. The techs had to come every week to straighten out my poor over loaded puter, as I hadn't a clue, that they were limited on how much they could hold or do..........................ok, just need to know, doesn't mean I'll do it,,,maybe.

vhere
04-06-2006, 06:01 AM
[QUOTE=Skinny]Well, here's my first effort. It will really demonstrate why YOU are the teacher. :cool: I kept looking for the smudge tool, the rotate option, etc...:D

QUOTE]

it's lovely! I too keep wanting all those lovely Photoshop options! your image adds another way of working and subject to the folder I'm building up - thank you :) It is now part of the Powerpoint gallery of examples for them to see.

You are right, no they are not retarded at all but just have mental health problems and attend various workshops as part of their therapy. I often get called in to do the art bits - they do all sorts of other projects as well.

I don't know how much knowledge of computers they'll have until they arrive, which is helpful! :rolleyes: but I'm used to dealing with mixed ability groups and they'll all work at their own pace. Part of the course is learning the basics of computers so that will come into it.


Thank you for those links nafa - I'm off to look them up now :)

Skinny
04-06-2006, 07:54 AM
Vivien, I think that's terrific! Computers can assist in multiple areas that touch on mental health problems. First, of course, patients will encounter frustration as they attempt to control this new machine. Dominataing that frustration will give them excellent emotional skills for later on.

Too, most people with mental health problems are way too isolated. In their isolation, they tend to obsess on their problems. With both a new communication skill and a new interest, they may join groups (like our's) that give them a break from this sort of obsession.

Microsoft Paint is most frustrating because of its limited palette. I'm working on my second "doodle".

fugitive
04-06-2006, 08:10 AM
This is it, a bad redo of one I did in '95 but with PS. If you want it larger, I can send a full sized one, which is just more water and BG, as I didn't reduce the size of the boat.

Skinny
04-06-2006, 08:29 AM
Greg, is that sub heading pell mell for the surface, or did you forget to rotate it? :D Either way, you did a fine job!

fugitive
04-06-2006, 08:57 AM
I notice, you always get the obvious after someone tells you. I did it to keep it larger, think 500

vhere
04-06-2006, 06:13 PM
thanks Greg, no that will be fine as it is - another in the gallery! :)

Yes computers certainly can be frustrating! I don't know at all what levels of ability to expect either with computers or painting so these examples are a nice mix to inspire their own ideas.

Skinny
04-06-2006, 07:43 PM
Okay, Vivien...this is my last effort before going back to a program with the bells and whistles.....

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Apr-2006/23354-Tree.JPG

I'm going to invite those in "Painter's Alley" to do something, too.

Kerlouan
04-06-2006, 08:19 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Apr-2006/80131-volcan.JPG

Kerlouan is away: hide behind her wacom... :o

Ms Paint... last time i use it that's in... windows 2.0 :rolleyes:

:wave:

vhere
04-07-2006, 07:42 AM
Okay, Vivien...this is my last effort before going back to a program with the bells and whistles.....



I'm going to invite those in "Painter's Alley" to do something, too.


Thanks for the images and the request for help for me :) - the gallery is looking good and has lots to trigger ideas and possibilities for my students.

Kerlouan thanks for your great volcano too - another totally different subject and handling :)

Enjoy the bells and whistles! I know I will. (I'm trying to persuade them to invest in Photoshop for a future module)

Skinny
04-07-2006, 07:49 AM
Wow, Kerlouan! Vesuvious lives....:eek: GOOD JOB. :)

barryt
04-07-2006, 07:49 AM
Why not try Artrage, a free program?

Skinny
04-07-2006, 08:06 AM
That's a great question, Barry! Vivien...why not Artrage? It's free, but it's so good that one of our premiere artists (Waheednasir) uses it often. AND IT'S JUST AS EASY TO USE! :thumbsup:

AndieW
04-07-2006, 11:19 AM
One thing, this teaches us to appreciate our usual programs and graphics tablets !!!

Here is my effort for what its worth

good luck

Andie

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Apr-2006/78784-Girl.JPG

Skinny
04-07-2006, 12:05 PM
GOOD one, Andie! Congratulations on finding a way around that palette! :smug:

fugitive
04-07-2006, 12:12 PM
thanks Greg, no that will be fine as it is - another in the gallery! :)

Yes computers certainly can be frustrating! I don't know at all what levels of ability to expect either with computers or painting so these examples are a nice mix to inspire their own ideas.
You understand my mounting, it's because of the size restriction, and I wanted to give you as large as i could. Keep in mind I have a larger one, I could mail you.

fugitive
04-07-2006, 12:15 PM
One thing, this teaches us to appreciate our usual programs and graphics tablets !!!

Here is my effort for what its worth

good luck

Andie

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Apr-2006/78784-Girl.JPG
Doesn't that show how good M$ is, as the only update for that program is for XP, and we can't use it, the brushes are to die for, huh, I almost died, using them.:cat:

fugitive
04-07-2006, 12:17 PM
Well, here's my first effort. It will really demonstrate why YOU are the teacher. :cool: I kept looking for the smudge tool, the rotate option, etc...:D

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2006/23354-Underwater.JPG
Now I'm coming back to comp you on your fish, as anything done is this program, that turns out looking like something is good, I can see you worked it. G.

Skinny
04-07-2006, 12:18 PM
"...the brushes are to die for, huh, I almost died, using them."

:lol: :lol: :lol: Let's hope we can talk Vivien into switching to Artrage!

fugitive
04-07-2006, 01:55 PM
"...the brushes are to die for, huh, I almost died, using them."

:lol: :lol: :lol: Let's hope we can talk Vivien into switching to Artrage!
Twisted Brush is even better, except the 180meg it takes to run it, actually too much for my systom unless I turn everything else off, but it does have brushes that are really neat, it's brand new, and the revisions are likely to be weekly. PSP 7 can be had for a song now, I'm sure it's free in some of the high priced mags, and lots of my earlier works here, were done on it.

omniartz
04-07-2006, 04:40 PM
Here's one from me.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Apr-2006/69150-Mspaint1Asml.jpg

Quick and Fun!!

digistyle
04-07-2006, 06:07 PM
I cut my digital teeth in MS Paint! Here are some oldies, painted by mouse, circa Windows 3.1 (I'm sure that I used refs for all. I think some are copies of existing works. I was just feeling my way around back then.):

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Nov-2001/Tick.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Feb-2002/Rogue.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Critiques/User/Looney2.gif

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Feb-2002/digimousework.gif

This one was my last MS Paint painting, circa 2002. I used a pen and tablet for this one.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Feb-2002/josephine.GIF

digistyle

fugitive
04-07-2006, 06:35 PM
Hey, that's cool digi, but '02, weren't ;you here when I joined in '02, and doing good stuff, the first I remember is a lion that I copied. I guess this was a good way to get folks to bring out their old stuff. Like the woman.

Skinny
04-07-2006, 07:09 PM
KIRK....Good job! Thanks. :thumbsup:

DIGI....Amazing! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

digistyle
04-07-2006, 09:50 PM
but '02, weren't ;you here when I joined in '02
Yes. I remember the lion. I think it was from one of the weekend drawing events (WDE).

Skinny: Thanks.

After scrounging those up, I had to give Paint another try. It's not too bad to work in with a tablet. You can get some decent texture with the airbrush.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Apr-2006/1629-mspaint_orc.jpg

Skinny
04-07-2006, 11:10 PM
DIGI....I think you've definitely won the prize in Paint! I'm amazed at how much you get from it.

digistyle
04-08-2006, 01:32 PM
Thanks, Skinny. Actually, its not as hard to use as I remembered. Painting and drawing using the Wacom makes a HUGE difference.

Last one:

A little lion-like critter that I whipped up.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Apr-2006/1629-creature_small.JPG

It lost a lot of detail when resized, so here are a couple of detail shots.

Head detail
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Apr-2006/1629-creature_head.jpg

Body detail
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Apr-2006/1629-creature_body.JPG

Skinny
04-08-2006, 07:16 PM
Digi, you make it look like a much more fun activity than it is...again, amazing!

Yako
04-08-2006, 07:39 PM
Here's mine...

Skinny
04-08-2006, 09:00 PM
Yako, that's good! :p

vhere
04-09-2006, 09:28 AM
We can't :( , or I would, because the course leads to a (very low level) certificate for them - and it has to be MSPaint :( - part of the criteria is learning about computers - how to open the programme, save files, use the mouse etc etc etc and the artwork is the other half.

I was asked to do it because I use digital imagery as a part of my own work (though NOT MSPaint!) and I am fairly computer literate. It will be interesting to see what the students can come up with.

Skinny
04-09-2006, 12:42 PM
Vivien,
I just returned from visiting your website....very nice! I particularly liked your digital imagery. :cat:

vhere
04-10-2006, 10:15 AM
thanks :) I need a boost today and that was welcome :)

TxAggieDarlin
04-10-2006, 01:46 PM
I am amazed you all do such fantastic work in Mpaint......shhheeeeesh. I have not used that in a LONG time and I never did do a thing that was good. You all can work in anything...GOOD GOING

Skinny
04-10-2006, 01:55 PM
LOL, I sure won't choose Paint, though, Aggie! It's fun only because it poses such a challenge.

fugitive
04-11-2006, 03:36 AM
Here's one from me.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Apr-2006/69150-Mspaint1Asml.jpg

Quick and Fun!!
OMG, it's an unknown Picasso, in his abstract lady mode, cool;-)

fugitive
04-11-2006, 03:55 AM
Thanks, Skinny. Actually, its not as hard to use as I remembered. Painting and drawing using the Wacom makes a HUGE difference.

Last one:

A little lion-like critter that I whipped up.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Apr-2006/1629-creature_small.JPG

It lost a lot of detail when resized, so here are a couple of detail shots.

Head detail
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Apr-2006/1629-creature_head.jpg

Body detail
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Apr-2006/1629-creature_body.JPG

Remember the pet Cat in Pet Semitary, well, this one is related to him.:cat:

vhere
04-11-2006, 01:46 PM
:lol:

more great images :cat: