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TessDB
03-30-2006, 02:11 PM
What we think of as Celtic art is mostly made up of four types of elements:

1. Interlace: Woven borders, fields/panels, knots etc.
2. Key or step patterns: angular mazes & line patterns that do not weave.
3. Spirals: swirly, circular/oval patterns
4. Zoomorphic figures: Not-quite-real animals and people, usually woven into the interlace, although they can be spun around a spiral, poor things.

Where most folks get lost when drawing these is looking at the whole, instead of breaking it down into simple elements that repeat. Itís the repetition that creates intricacy and the knock-your-socks-off *how did they do that* response.

So, in this first installment, Iíll be focusing on simple triangle knots. Why triangles first? Because they are serious work-horses. They can be used to fill all sorts of awkward spaces (like between the spirals in my sig line), look more difficult than they are, and adapt into border designs very easily (the corners are already mitered for you).

By the end of this first lesson, you will be able to create two different patterns using the basic triangle knot and its close cousin, the pretzel knot. Hopefully, Iíll also have taught some basic rules that can be used to adapt these into unlimited designs. These are what weíre aiming for:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2006/46497-Panels1.jpg

I worked fairly small with these because it kept me from going too intricate too soon. I also have an easier time keeping the lines & angles consistent when working smaller. Feel free to work with a larger grid if thatís easier for you, just keep the ratios the same so you can follow along more easily.


So without further adoÖ here we go!

The Triangle Knot

This first knot will be worked over a grid of 3x3. Hereís what youíre aiming for:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2006/46497-TriKnot1Finish.jpg

1. lightly mark off the space youíll be working in.
2. draw a curve from narrow corner to narrow corner
3. draw a curve from one box before the corner along the top to the long diagonal.
4. repeat going from the right side to the long diagonal.
5. place a dot in the center

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2006/46497-TriK1steps1thru5.jpg

6. from the dot, draw your inside curves to start creating the bands that go over. I tend to curve all of the ďoversĒ to the right. It doesnít really matter which direction you go, as long as they *all go the same way* within one knot. Iíll discuss directional pull a little later.
7. erase the lines that are crossing over the bands.
8. last, add the lines to make the ďunderĒ.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2006/46497-TriK1steps6thru8_copy.jpg

Thatís it! Easy, eh? :D Next post, tiling.

TessDB
03-30-2006, 02:16 PM
Tiling is just what it sounds like. Itís the same principle as creating a quilt block or laying tile on a floor. You repeat one basic element, rotating and repeating it to fit your overall design.

1. Begin with the little triangle knot we just completed. The new grid is 6x6. You can see it snugged up on the lower left side of the picture of step 1. Redraw it, rotating its orientation so the ďfatĒ corner is always pointing to the center. Make sure all of your ďoversĒ are going in the same direction. In my example, theyíre going right, as usual.
2. Add small lines to the ďfatĒ corners, breaking them into bands. Make sure your over/under pattern is consistent. This creates a very basic square knot, oriented on itís points.
3. As we tile the knots the grid expands in size to become 12x12. Repeat step 2 five times. Iíve marked in red the points of the square knots, so you could see how Iíve repeated them. Add the original triangle knot to the edges to fill in the gaps. Make sure your ďoversĒ remain consistent.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2006/46497-TriKPanelSteps1.jpg

4. On the outside, break the ďfatĒ corners & make them into curves, as always, paying attention to the direction of your ďovers.Ē Note: I goofed on one of them. Can you find it?

Thatís it! Not too terribly hard, right?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2006/46497-TriK1panelFinish.jpg

As youíve probably noticed, these are lots of separate knots, not one single knot. To keep this fairly simple, I didnít worry about that. Because weíve worked the triangles into squares, itís tricky to connect squares into one knot *and* maintain symmetry.

If youíd like to try on your own, here are some general rules for connecting knots:

1. Anywhere points come together, you can break them & join the knots. I did that with the ďfatĒ corners of the original triangle knot to create the basic square knot.
2. Anywhere two curves run next to each other, you can break them and turn them into straight bands *or* join them to become corners.
3. Anywhere bands cross, you can turn them into curves *or* corners.

Finally, one quick note about directional pull: in order to keep your weave consistent, all of your ďoversĒ will run in one direction, either pulling to the left or the right. When youíre doing a large piece, like a carpet page, all of those curves & lines will create an optical illusion of the piece itself rotating clockwise or counter clockwise. Enough of them all snugged up together, and the piece will begin to look wonky and out of square. How do you determine which direction youíre knots are pulling in? Pick one edge of your knot and look at the curves, say the top edge of the finished panel above. If the ďoversĒ are on the right side of a curve, your knot is ďpullingĒ clockwise. And obviously, if it goes to the left itís counter clockwise. So how do you keep it from getting weird on you? Pick a few elements that *arenít* connected and run them the opposite direction. This will create tension & break the illusion, making your piece hold still to the viewerís eye. Whenever I step back and look at one of my larger pieces, if something looks off to me, itís usually because Iíve got too many elements pulling in the same direction. Although sometimes I *want* that illusion.

Next up, pretzel knots.

TessDB
03-30-2006, 02:23 PM
Pretzel Knots:

Are exactly what they sound like. The only difference between a pretzel knot and a triangle knot is that instead of curving to create a third corner, the bands are left open to meet up with other knots. They combine easily to create a running border, add interest to a large area of interlace, or join together to create a square knot, which is what Iíll do here. Hereís what a single pretzel knot looks like completed:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2006/46497-pretzel1finish.jpg

But first, hereís how to draw a pretzel knot:

1. mark out your space, again Iím using a 3x3 grid. Draw diagonal lines from the corners of your grid.
2. draw a curve to connect the diagonals.
3. draw the top edge of one point, continuing the line past your curve
4. repeat on the opposite side.
5. like in the triangle knot, draw the inside lines to create your bands. Once again, Iíve got them pulling to the right.
6. erase the lines you donít need & clean it up a bit.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2006/46497-PretzelStep.jpg

Not too bad, right? On to the next stage:

1. Now, like I did with the triangle knot, Iíll repeat & rotate the pretzel to create a square knot. Note the grid is still 3x3 here.
2. Expand the grid to 6x6 and repeat the square knot. As always, make sure your ďoversĒ are running the same direction.
3. erase where the points meet in the center of the grid.
4. Add curves to connect the separate knots into one.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2006/46497-pretzel1panelsteps.jpg

This larger, square knot can be tiled & repeated to form as big of a panel as you need. Here, I repeated it four times.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2006/46497-pretzelpanel1.jpg

And hereís a simple example of how to create a border using the pretzel knot.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2006/46497-Pretzelborder1.jpg

I hope this was clear. If I was too vague on anything, please let me know & Iíll try to explain what I meant a little better. Happy Creating! :wave:

Tess

artjunkie101
03-30-2006, 08:15 PM
Wow! Awesome demo. Celtic-style calligraphy is my favorite, so I really need to learn how to do the knots for borders and whatnot. This is so helpful. Thank you and I can't wait for the next installment.

Now, if only I had graph paper with me at school.... :(

Autumnwillow
03-30-2006, 11:16 PM
Well, I must admit that at first I was a bit befuddled, but I kept at it and darned if I didn't manage to do a few squares! I'm amazed. Thank you sooo much for showing how to do this. Tho I could see how it could be considered tedious, it's oddly relaxing as well...

I look forward to more lessons!!

Michele

valchina612
03-30-2006, 11:38 PM
Tess, thanks so much for this great Tutorial. It absolutely fascinates me, so I will definitely be giving it a go when I get a chance. I also want to do the one that Chris showed us too.
I love doing "fiddly" things, so I think I am going to have a ball with trying out these designs.
Keep up the great work. :clap: :clap: :thumbsup:

Val. :wave:

TessDB
03-31-2006, 07:33 AM
Now, if only I had graph paper with me at school.... :(

You don't *need* graph paper. It's helpful when you're starting, but not required. :D

Tho I could see how it could be considered tedious, it's oddly relaxing as well...

Mhm. After a while, it's almost a meditative state.

I also want to do the one that Chris showed us too.


Please post when you do!

I'm glad this is helpful. :D
Tess

Merry Scribe
03-31-2006, 08:17 AM
Thank you Tess I am going to work on this over the week end. So when is our first homework assignment due Teach. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

This is great Tess now maybe this old Irishman will learn some knotwork do you think.

Thanks again Tess

Brian:wave: :D :D :D

boobookat
03-31-2006, 12:48 PM
Tess, amazing demo/instruction. This thread goes into my favorites!

Marci

TessDB
03-31-2006, 02:14 PM
I didnít have this one ready to post with the others, so here ya go!

Pretzel Knot border 2

1. Start with the basic pretzel knot I showed you before over a 3x3 grid.
2. Add a second pretzel knot, joining them with a curve on the long diagonal.
3. Expand the grid to 6x3, rotate & repeat the knot from step 2.
4. Erase the center points.
5. Join with curves.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2006/46497-pretzelborder2.jpg

This gives you a more complicated triangle knot. Just like you tiled knots to create a square, you can do the same to create a border. How you do it depends on what size of a border you want. In this example, Iíll create one thatís fairly slim using the knot from above. And like Iíd mentioned in the previous posts, working with a triangle knot as a base makes creating a border *so* much easier because the corners are already mitered for you.

6. Iíve marked the space Iíll be working in & drawn in the first knot at the corner.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2006/46497-pretzelborder2step6.jpg

7. Rotate & Repeat the knots, paying close attention to all of your ďoversĒ going the same direction. Iíve marked the corners in red.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2006/46497-pretzelborder2step7.jpg

8. erase the curves that run next to each other (remember the rule about 2 curves that run next to each other? You can change them into bands that will connect two knots). Iíve circled the ones I havenít erased yet.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2006/46497-pretzelborder2step8.jpg

9. Connect the knots with an ďXĒ. Once again, circled in red to help you see. This is why itís really important to keep all of your ďoversĒ going the same direction. If they arenít when you connect them the weave wonít be consistent.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2006/46497-pretzelborder2step9.jpg

Thatís it. In the scale Iíve used, this border is 3/4Ē thick, needing 1 1/2" to repeat. So itíll work up really nicely to fit in a 9x12 mat, giving you 8 1/4x11 1/4" to play with inside of it.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2006/46497-pretzelborder2finish.jpg

Now, couple of quick notes on how I work:
--As youíre probably discovering, drawing these things over & over again can make you a little nutty. I use a light box *a lot.* Once Iíve established my basic ďunitĒ knot for an area, Iíll trace the repeats onto my draft sheet. This gives me the opportunity to clean up the lines, double check the weave pattern, and maintain consistency throughout the entire piece.
--If I hit on a knot I *love* for a certain area but the scale isnít quite right, I usually redraw it. If the knot is hugely complicated, Iíll ďcheatĒ and scan it into the computer and adjust it.
--When composing a piece, I work from the middle. Itís always easier to make a border conform to what your main elements are rather than trying to squish something in.

Any questions? If youíre playing along, Iíd love to see what youíre coming up with. So please please post!

Tess

TessDB
03-31-2006, 02:17 PM
Brian-- whenever you're ready to post something, let's see it! :thumbsup:

Hi, Marci! :wave: Glad to see you & glad this was relatively clear. Really sweated bullets over it. There's so much I just *do* without even thinking about it now...

I've got one more installment I'll post, hopefully by the end of the weekend.

Tess

CPM
03-31-2006, 02:24 PM
Tess, This is great! You make it look easy (you are also a heck of a lot neater than I am). This tutorial is laid out very logically adn I can't wait to try it out!! - Chris

TessDB
03-31-2006, 06:36 PM
Ack!!! Correction!!! :o

In the scale Iíve used, this border is 3/4Ē thick, needing 1 1/2" to repeat. So itíll work up really nicely to fit in a 9x12 mat, giving you 8 1/4x11 1/4" to play with inside of it.

:o no no no. Once again, I've proven my math skills are sorely lacking. That should be 7 1/2x10 1/2". :o

:wave: Hi, Chris! Hope you'll post what your results are!

Tess, the mathematically challenged.

Rose Queen
03-31-2006, 06:46 PM
I know this isn't calligraphy, but those of you also interested in learning how to do this sort of thing digitally might like to know that there are two articles in the Digital Art forum on the subject: http://www.wetcanvas.com/Articles2/23638/341/ and http://www.wetcanvas.com/Articles2/23638/357/

Perhaps in the right project, digital and ink could be complementary!



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TessDB
03-31-2006, 06:58 PM
Perhaps in the right project, digital and ink could be complementary!

Thanks for the links, Rose! Personally, I look at the digital as just one more tool to use. Just because I'm doing art in a style from the 5th century doesn't mean I shouldn't use all the tools of my age!

Tess

sabrestallion
03-31-2006, 07:05 PM
very helpful thread Tess!!

TessDB
04-01-2006, 07:08 AM
Thanks, Farrukh!

Tess

Merry Scribe
04-02-2006, 11:47 PM
Tess I have mastered the first knot and I will post my first knot border Wednesday.

TessDB
04-03-2006, 09:02 AM
Ok, meant to have this up yesterday, but just didn't happen. So here we go:

Putting it all together

I decided to work up a piece using only the knots I presented here to demonstrate how they can work together. I gave myself a few rules: I had to stay small so I could get it finished quickly, work in the same scale as my examples, and not use anything I hadnít covered. In the end, I cheated a little bit and added those interlace columns (rationalization: these had been covered elsewhere. If anyone would like a detailed example of how I do those, let me know). Overall size is 5x7. Iíll post the stages each of my works go through.

#1: Sketching it in. In this stage, I work out my general ideas for the composition. I mark out where the repeats will be and start drawing in knots. I didnít draw in the border (although you can see the lines for the repeats) because Iíd pretty well worked it out for a previous example. Because of the size, the border knot wouldnít repeat evenly along the long side. You can see where I figured out a variation that would bridge the space. This stage involves LOTS of erasing. So much so, I ended up sketching in that interlace column off to the side Ďcause the paper *would not* take one more try in the area I gave it. If I wasnít working on graph paper (I usually donít), I would also have made notes on how I divided up the space (1/4Ē between the edge of the border & the edge of the piece, border = 3/4" thick, 1 1/2" repeat; etc.)

As you can see the center square is a variation of the simple square knot from my first example. For it, I started with the triangle knot with a narrow point toward the middle instead of the fat one. Everything else is pretty much how the same as my examples.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Apr-2006/46497-5x7rough1.jpg

#2: After Iím happy with everything in stage 1, I get out sketch paper and redraw the areas for the major elements.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Apr-2006/46497-5x7layout.jpg

#3: Out comes the lightbox. I trace the knots from my rough draft, refining the curves & angles. This gives me a completed piece on sketch paper. This is the make it or break it stage. If it all still looks good to me, Iím ready to transfer it to whatever paper I would use for my final piece.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Apr-2006/46497-5x7traced1.jpg

There are a few things Iím not completely happy with in this one. First off, Iím a bit of a freak about making each knot only one band of interlace. Keeping to the rules I established for myself in this piece & maintaining symmetry required I abandon that. I added color in photoshop so you could see more easily how many bands of interlace are happening. And maybe develop some ideas for yourselves about how to join them to make them one. 2nd, from a composition standpoint, I think it would have looked a bit better if Iíd used the square knots that are at the top & bottom of the center actually as the middle knot & repeated the square in the center at the top & bottom. Iíve drawn in red arrows so you can see what I mean.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Apr-2006/46497-5x7traced1color.jpg

So that's it. Any questions?

Now let's see yours!
Tess

Merry Scribe
04-04-2006, 11:27 AM
Tess this is how far I have gotten so far. Am I doing it correctly. This is harder than I thought it is much harder that learning new hands.

Brian:wave: :D
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Apr-2006/75646-Celtic_Knotwork_Proj11.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Apr-2006/75646-Celtic_Knotwork_Proj1.jpg

Please excuss my photography please I know it is not fully focused.

Brian

wade1972
04-04-2006, 12:03 PM
This is one wicked thread. I've always wanted an idea of how this is done and now I know. I'm going to give it a shot one of these days (when I finish the two projects I am on now).

The only thing I've always wondered: is there a meaning behind the patterns? Do laying them down in certain ways mean something special? (Like the interlocking of triangles means unity for all, etc...)

I hope you post more tutorials because they are very helpful!

TessDB
04-04-2006, 05:55 PM
Tess this is how far I have gotten so far. Am I doing it correctly. This is harder than I thought it is much harder that learning new hands.

Brian, they look great! Now start connecting those puppies! :thumbsup: The only thing I can suggest is to relax. Unlike learning a new hand, there isn't a "right" or a "wrong" way to do this. It's what works for you and creates a design that is pleasing to the viewer's eye. All I'm showing here is how *I* work. While the knotwork was used as a decorative device, it was also used on religious items to soothe and help separate the conscious, nuts-&-bolts mind from the spirit-mind. Creating it can do that, too. So relax & enjoy the journey. ;)

The only thing I've always wondered: is there a meaning behind the patterns? Do laying them down in certain ways mean something special? (Like the interlocking of triangles means unity for all, etc...)

I hope you post more tutorials because they are very helpful!

Nope. You would think there is, though. :confused: The thing is, the Celts didn't leave a written record, and because the earliest artifacts have *no* resemblance to the natural world, there really isn't much of a record to follow to even begin "decoding" them. There is a general assumption that the knotwork was used to show the inter-connectedness of all things (Think Zen) while the spirals were used to show the co-operation and separation of Here, There, and In Between. Unlike most mythologies in the classical world, the tales don't stress a "good" and a "bad." It's all shades of grey. How's that for a non-answer? :D

I'm happy to do more tutorials if folks are interested. I'll probably wait a little bit & let those of you who are threatening to try actually do it. :D :evil:

Tess

CPM
04-05-2006, 08:38 AM
Tess, Making these knots is a lot of fun, but messy (my first couple of attempts got too messy to see the connections):o . With a better eraser at my side, I am moving ahead with making the pretzel border shown above (not very novel but if I do it right, it should look like your demo). I will post the WIP soon:thumbsup: . I have not reached a Zen state yet making these knots (still too much cursing when I end up finding two "overs" in a row:eek: !! - Chris

TessDB
04-05-2006, 03:31 PM
I have not reached a Zen state yet making these knots (still too much cursing when I end up finding two "overs" in a row:eek: !!

Boy, do I identify with that!!! It'll get easier with practice, I promise. :D Honest. :angel: I've been drawing these things for well over 10yrs now, and I *still* goof with the overs sometimes!

Post when you're ready!
Tess

CPM
04-05-2006, 10:34 PM
Here is homework project #1 WIP. I decided to ink some of it so I could check my progress (too many pencil marks got in the way):D . It is getting a bit easier now that I can see the pattern emerging. - Chris

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2006/75227-knot_WIP1.jpg

Merry Scribe
04-05-2006, 11:57 PM
Here is homework project #1 WIP. I decided to ink some of it so I could check my progress (too many pencil marks got in the way):D . It is getting a bit easier now that I can see the pattern emerging. - Chris

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2006/75227-knot_WIP1.jpg

Chris you are better at this than I am I guess I am ment to only to be a calligrapher!

Brian your friendly nieghborhood scribe

TessDB
04-06-2006, 07:36 AM
Looking really good, Chris! I'd say you've got it. Now... expand on it (:evil: I'm such a slave-driver). Can you see where other patterns are hiding? Other ways to connect them? How they could work with the solid interlace border you did for your cross? If yes, go for it!

Brian--

Chris you are better at this than I am I guess I am ment to only to be a calligrapher!

You had better be joking, young man! Your examples look really good! If you need help or aren't happy with something, let me know and I'll see if I can talk you through it. But frankly, from where I'm sitting, you should be awfully pleased with yourself. :thumbsup:

Tess

Merry Scribe
04-06-2006, 09:20 AM
Looking really good, Chris! I'd say you've got it. Now... expand on it (:evil: I'm such a slave-driver). Can you see where other patterns are hiding? Other ways to connect them? How they could work with the solid interlace border you did for your cross? If yes, go for it!

Brian--



You had better be joking, young man! Your examples look really good! If you need help or aren't happy with something, let me know and I'll see if I can talk you through it. But frankly, from where I'm sitting, you should be awfully pleased with yourself. :thumbsup:

Tess

Tahnk You Tess for the vote of confidence.:lol:

Brian :wave: :D

CPM
04-06-2006, 10:20 AM
Brian, You have the patterns ... you only have to smooth the curves out. Thats why I went to the ink stage. The rough pencil look terrible. after I started inking, I saw the patterns better and smooted out the pencil as well. Go for it. - Chris

CPM
04-06-2006, 10:26 AM
Tess, Thanks for the encouragement:thumbsup: ... and the extra homework:rolleyes:. I can see where more of the curves can be joined. I like the current pattern as it looks like and abstract leaf boarder. It would be interesting to see all of the loops joined to see if you end up with one line:eek: . - Chris

valchina612
04-06-2006, 10:35 AM
Wow Chris, this is looking fantastic. Are you NEAT or ARE YOU NEAT!!!!!!!!! Haven't had a chance to get stuck in to it myself yet, because of migraines, but I do know from having just one small practice, that it IS harder than it looks. Keep up the great work Chris. :clap: :clap: :thumbsup:

Val. :wave:

CPM
04-06-2006, 11:53 AM
Val, Sorry to hear about the migraines. I am not neat. The "finished parts" may look neat, but you should have seen how much eraser dust was on the dogs (my Jack Russell terrier has to lay his head on my lap while I'm drawing) and the other two sit as close as they can). Feel better! - Chris

wade1972
04-06-2006, 11:58 AM
Thanks for the reply Tess...I was curious...a non-answer is an ok answer. :)

Now I'll have to give this a shot!

TessDB
04-07-2006, 10:20 AM
I like the current pattern as it looks like and abstract leaf boarder. It would be interesting to see all of the loops joined to see if you end up with one line:eek: . - Chris

Chris-- It won't. :( I'm working up examples to explain why. It's a bulky concept/principle & needs visual aids. :rolleyes: Stay tuned.

Brian (and everyone else who's finding it difficult)-- Stick with it! It takes practice, and it isn't easy the first time around. But it will get easier. Promise. :D

Wade & Val-- Really looking forward to seeing how you do!

Back in a bit...
Tess

Merry Scribe
04-08-2006, 06:22 AM
Tess is the triangle knot used for pannels or can it be use as a border?

Brian:wave: :D

Merry Scribe
04-08-2006, 06:25 AM
Oh bye the bye Tess did you guys get any damage down there the other day when the storm came through? My sister-in-law did they live in JC are you any where close to them?

Brian:wave: :D

TessDB
04-08-2006, 07:15 AM
Tess is the triangle knot used for pannels or can it be use as a border?

Use it any way your imagination desires! I used them as a panel in my example to show how to rotate & join knots together. But you can use those little guys in all *sorts* of ways.

Thanks for asking about the storms... We didn't have any damage, although they're saying an F1 clipped the southern edge of the town the store's in.

It would be interesting to see all of the loops joined to see if you end up with one line

I'm still working on the examples for this... scanner problems. :(

Tess

Merry Scribe
04-08-2006, 11:52 AM
Tess my wife Annie wants me to ask you what town you are in. Are you close to Johnston City.

Well here is what I have so far I know it is not very good. I also had a hard time seeing how to connect the knots then it just hit me. I do not understand what I am suppost to do with the square knot or where to make the "over" at that point.

Here goes nothing.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Apr-2006/75646-Celtic_Knotwork_proj_1.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Apr-2006/75646-Celtic_Knotwork_proj_2.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Apr-2006/75646-Celtic_Knotwork_proj_3.jpg

Well that is all for now.

Brian:wave: :D

TessDB
04-08-2006, 05:34 PM
Brian-- you're doing really well. It's just going to take some practice. :) Keep with it. I hope you don't mind, but I pulled one of your images into photoshop to help you see where a connection could be made.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Apr-2006/46497-75646-Celtic_Knotwork_proj_3adjust.jpg

Yellow shows where you can join those triangle knots on the side. This will help to maintain an even "flow" of lines on the outside edge. If you want to get a bit more advanced, you could start playing with ideas of how to join them in the orange circle. At this point, though, I'd work on just doing a row of the original knot like this (excuse the sloppy cut&paste):

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Apr-2006/46497-diamondbar1.jpg

To me, it looks like you need to practice getting the curved parts a bit more consistent and feeling more comfortable with the over/under weaving. Keep your eraser handy!

You can do this. You've got a great start going. So... keep going! :D

Tess

CPM
04-08-2006, 06:05 PM
Here is my WIP update. It is going fairly smoothly. The detail photo is where I linked the Triangle knots with the Pretzel knots. - Chris
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Apr-2006/75227-Knot_WIP2.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Apr-2006/75227-knot_WIP3.jpg

TessDB
04-09-2006, 07:22 AM
Great job, Chris! I'd say you've got it. Well done! :clap:

Can't wait to see the finish!
Tess

Merry Scribe
04-09-2006, 03:56 PM
Yes what a wonderful job Chris. I hope that one day I will be able to develope something that good even half as good as you.

I would be happy with 1/4 as good.:lol: :lol: :lol:

Brian :wave: :D

CPM
04-09-2006, 07:51 PM
Thanks Tess! Your doing a great job mentoring us! I came up with something cool for the center (I hope it works ... stay tuned).

Brian, Your doing fine. Your hands are tuned for "hands". You just have to smooth out the curves and you'll be there with me. I had a head start with the simple weave. You're catching up quickly.

- Chris

Merry Scribe
04-10-2006, 06:41 AM
Thanks Tess! Your doing a great job mentoring us! I came up with something cool for the center (I hope it works ... stay tuned).

Brian, Your doing fine. Your hands are tuned for "hands". You just have to smooth out the curves and you'll be there with me. I had a head start with the simple weave. You're catching up quickly.

- Chris

Thank you Chris for the very kind words.

Brian :wave: :D

TessDB
04-10-2006, 09:05 AM
Your hands are tuned for "hands".

Excellent point! I hadn't thought of it like that...

Brian-- skip drawing the lines to make the bands. Instead, draw a line for the center of the band. Think of each of the points as the letter "V". Do you see it?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Apr-2006/46497-TriKnot1Color1.jpg

After you get the points done (and a bit nicer than my sloppy photoshoping), add in the lines to define the bands & weave pattern. Just like you would embellish a letter with a contrasting ink or like you did with the gold on the shamrocks.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Apr-2006/46497-TriKnot1Color2.jpg

Are you following me? My scanner still isn't working, so I can't *show* you step by step... Let me know if you want me to try to talk you through it.

Thanks Tess! Your doing a great job mentoring us! I came up with something cool for the center (I hope it works ... stay tuned).

You're more than welcome, Chris! I'm really enjoying doing this. It's nice to talk about the knotwork with folks who are interested in them from the ground up, instead of the "too complicated for me" reaction I usually get.

So let's see that center!
Tess

CPM
04-10-2006, 08:47 PM
I have finished the Knot project. Here is a full view:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Apr-2006/75227-knot_WIP5.jpg
Here is a view of the center.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Apr-2006/75227-knot_WIP4.jpg
I wove a couple of dogs into the center:thumbsup: ! - Chris

valchina612
04-10-2006, 11:08 PM
Hi Chris,

This is absolutely AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't stop looking at it. WOW, WONDERFUL. I have nothing but great admiration for you. Please keep up the great work and continue to share it with us. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Val. :wave:

valchina612
04-10-2006, 11:39 PM
Hey Brian, you are doing so well with your Celtic Knots. Bravo!!
I'm looking very forward to seeing lots more from you as time goes on. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

I can't join in at the moment, as I had to rush my Dad to hospital on Sunday night and he is very sick, and is having a blood transfusion today. All I seem to be doing is sitting at the hospital and trying to grab some sleep when I can. I hope life can get back to some sort of normality soon, and that I will be able to join in before too long.

Val. :wave:

Merry Scribe
04-11-2006, 05:36 AM
Hey Brian, you are doing so well with your Celtic Knots. Bravo!!
I'm looking very forward to seeing lots more from you as time goes on. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

I can't join in at the moment, as I had to rush my Dad to hospital on Sunday night and he is very sick, and is having a blood transfusion today. All I seem to be doing is sitting at the hospital and trying to grab some sleep when I can. I hope life can get back to some sort of normality soon, and that I will be able to join in before too long.

Val. :wave:

Val I am sorry to hear that your dad is so sick and our prayers are with him. We Annie and I hope that he gets better soon. I am sure he will and than your life will become normal again.

I hate that word normal but thank you for your confidence in me and I am sure everyone is right I will get this art down pat. I remember when I was just learning calligraphy I thought that I would never get now look at we.

Well I better let you go so you can get back to your dad and Annie and my prayers are with him.

Bless it be.

Brian :wave::D

Merry Scribe
04-11-2006, 05:53 AM
[quote=TessDB]Excellent point! I hadn't thought of it like that...

Brian-- skip drawing the lines to make the bands. Instead, draw a line for the center of the band. Think of each of the points as the letter "V". Do you see it?

Tess I will give it a try that way and I do think I see what you are talking about. I love this forum and I love that every one is so patient with me. I do get frustrated at times and I know that this is to be exspected when learning a new art. I will learn this and I will do well at it and it will be because of all of you here.

I will give it a try the way you suggest and we will get back with it.

Thank you so much Tess and you Chris for helping me.

Brian:wave::D

TessDB
04-11-2006, 07:27 AM
Excellent, Chris! I'd use a bunch of clappies, but I think Val used them all! Nope, wait, here's a few! :clap: :clap: :clap: :D

What size did it turn out to be?

Val, join in when you can. Thoughts and prayers are with you and yours. And don't forget to take care of you during this, too.

Brian, you're going to get it. Learning anything new can be discouraging. For me, if I push through that (usually muttering "I am human, this is paper. I *will* win" and making my family think I'm completely nutso), it'll finally click. Post how you're doing when you're ready!

Tess

CPM
04-11-2006, 08:35 AM
Val, Thanks for the "mega-clappies:clap: ". I love them! This was a fun piece to put together. I hope you'll be able to try this soon. My thoughts and prayers are with your dad for a speedy recovery.

Brian, You are harder on yourself than you need to be. You may want to try a larger size than the graph paper (I did). If you self line a larger paper with a larger grid, the cross-overs become a little easier to spot (though I've had to go back and fix a ton of mistakes :eek:... thank goodness for razor knives and emory board for taking out mistaken lines :cool: ).

Tess, Thanks for more clappies and the inspiring lesson. This was fun! I need to give my hand a rest today though as the last couple of nights there was a lot of background to color in:D ! The picture is on 9x12 strathmore watercolor paper. It will look cool matted and framed (I hope I didn't screw up my measurements and can pop it into a standard size kit:eek: ).

- Chris

Merry Scribe
04-11-2006, 09:05 AM
Chris your work is wonderful:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: and yes I will get this I am Irish after all:lol: . You know how pig headed we Irish are.

Tess I promise you I will get this and post Annie has to go to class tonight so after I get all my house chores done I will be in my studio doing nothing but knots. And I will WIN!!!.

Brian :wave: :D

TessDB
04-12-2006, 06:55 AM
I will be in my studio doing nothing but knots. And I will WIN!!!.

:lol: Did you win?

Y'know Brian, if you start to get frustrated again, let me know & take a break. Work on something you feel really good about & let me pull together a quick tutorial on on doing a simple running border. Probably should have called this Celtic Knots 201... :rolleyes: whoops. :D


The picture is on 9x12 strathmore watercolor paper. It will look cool matted and framed (I hope I didn't screw up my measurements and can pop it into a standard size kit ).

Measurements are my downfall. Love to see a pic when you've got the frame on it!

Tess

Merry Scribe
04-12-2006, 08:08 AM
:lol: Did you win?

Y'know Brian, if you start to get frustrated again, let me know & take a break. Work on something you feel really good about & let me pull together a quick tutorial on on doing a simple running border. Probably should have called this Celtic Knots 201... :rolleyes: whoops. :D




Measurements are my downfall. Love to see a pic when you've got the frame on it!

Tess

Tess I was not able to work on the knots last night because after my chores I was in so much pain that I had to take one of my pain killers. Well it is an opioid and it knocked me out till this morning. I don't know if you know or not but I am a Disabled Veteran and I am always in pain. But when I over do it I need to take my pain medication and every time I do I am gone.

Today I have to go see my doctor at the VA so I am getting a break from the knots. I will hit it hard tomorrow.

Oh bye the bye it would be nice if you had a tutorial on borders.

Brian :wave::D

TessDB
04-13-2006, 07:09 AM
Brian-- So sorry to hear about your pain. Do what you need to take care of you. I'll be here. Ready to torture you with more knots when you're ready for them :evil:

I'll work something up on borders... It'll probably be next week or so until I can get to it, so be patient with me. I've a piece on my drawing table that's starting to click and I need to chase that before I lose the whole "oh yeah, that'll work" vibe I've got going. :rolleyes:

Tess

Merry Scribe
04-13-2006, 08:37 AM
Brian-- So sorry to hear about your pain. Do what you need to take care of you. I'll be here. Ready to torture you with more knots when you're ready for them :evil:

I'll work something up on borders... It'll probably be next week or so until I can get to it, so be patient with me. I've a piece on my drawing table that's starting to click and I need to chase that before I lose the whole "oh yeah, that'll work" vibe I've got going. :rolleyes:

Tess

Tess thank you for your understanding and I will get past this pain I always do. I just hate taking all of these drugs the VA has me taking. I am a walking drug store. I have to take 13 pills every day for the rest of my life. All thanks to the government. Well that is a different story. I feel better today and I am going to work on the knots today because they actually give pleasure and keep my mind off of my pain.

I did get some good news yesterday when I went to see my doctor she has approved me getting a scooter which will give a lot more independence to me. So that is good. It is about time since it is the government that did this to me.

I would love to learn how to make a real nice border and branch off from there. I really appreciate all the time that you are giving us through your tutorials. I will learn these knots because the Irish in me demands it.

Thanks again for all the work you have done. Bye the Bye has anyone heard from Val and how her dad is doing?

Brian :wave: :D

Jakeally
04-13-2006, 08:49 AM
Brilliant tutorial Tess:clap: :clap: Your students are doing so well and I am watching avidly.

TessDB
04-14-2006, 07:26 AM
I did get some good news yesterday when I went to see my doctor she has approved me getting a scooter which will give a lot more independence to me. So that is good.

Wonderful news, Brian! :clap: So the piece I thought was coming together ... isnt. Going to wrestle with it a bit more today & if I can't get it, I'll ignore it for a while & pull together that border demo. So stay tuned. :D

Brilliant tutorial Tess Your students are doing so well and I am watching avidly.

Thanks, Jake. :wave:

Tess

CPM
04-17-2006, 08:15 PM
Hi Gang! Here is the finished work, framed and ready to go :thumbsup: . Thanks to all for the great comments and thanks to Tess for the tutorial :clap: . Please forgive the bad angle but I wanted to minimize the flash glare. - Chris
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Apr-2006/75227-Framed_Knot.jpg

TessDB
04-18-2006, 07:06 AM
Excellent, Chris! It looks great in the frame! Thanks for showing! :thumbsup:

Tess

puglover
08-12-2006, 09:53 AM
I gave the celtic knots a go.
Comment and critique more then open.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Aug-2006/64459-knots.JPG
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Aug-2006/64459-The.jpg

Merry Scribe
08-12-2006, 09:56 AM
Excellent, Chris! It looks great in the frame! Thanks for showing! :thumbsup:

Tess

Tess you are alive I thought that you had gone into hibenation.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Aug-2006/75646-Celtic_Cross_Complete.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Aug-2006/75646-Celtic_Cross_enlargement.jpg

This is my knot in the cross.

TessDB
08-12-2006, 10:20 AM
Tess you are alive I thought that you had gone into hibenation.

No, still alive, still around! Just heavily distracted. Got wrapped up in a project over in cp (doing all white objects w/out using any of the greys. Quite the ... challenge. One of those "what was I thinking when I signed up for this" things).

Your cross is lovely, Brian!

Pugdoglover-- Nicely done! Only suggestion: you've lost the outline on a couple of your "overs." Which isn't a big deal if you're shading them. So... Feel up to taking the knots & joining them?

I'll try to get back over here more... Otherwise I'm liable to go bald pulling out my hair working on that white project... what was I thinking??? :lol:
Tess

puglover
08-12-2006, 10:31 AM
Yeah I thought so but wasnt sure what went where.
Would you mind please going over it for me in photoshop or something?
It would be of great help!
Your such a wonderful artist.
Thanks for taking the time to put together this tutorial! :D

TessDB
08-12-2006, 01:00 PM
Here ya go...

I've outlined where your over/under pattern went a little odd. It'll take practice but after a while it'll be easy!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Aug-2006/46497-Adjust164459-knots.jpg

To join the knots, try breaking at the points. I'm in a bit of a rush right now, so can't give an example of what I mean. Play around. See what works for you. I'll try to check in more frequently here. But be patient! I'm out the door for a long weekend away in seconds so... It might be monday before I can comment.

Keep going with it!
Tess

puglover
08-12-2006, 07:16 PM
Thankyou thankyou thankyou.
I knew something was wrong with it..
i just couldnt really see it.
also for newbies to the celtic world..
i recommend the Celtic Design series by Aidan Meehan.
Excellent series. There is an animal patterns, knotwork...
etc... etc..

TessDB
08-15-2006, 08:53 AM
also for newbies to the celtic world..
i recommend the Celtic Design series by Aidan Meehan.
Excellent series. There is an animal patterns, knotwork...
etc... etc..

His series is fabulous. Although his examples are a little rough to work from if you're a total newbie. At least they were for me.

Ok, I've looked a little closer at the example you posted. There's one other thing you'll need to pay close attention to. You've got your knots "pulling" in different directions in a few places. Not a bad thing, if you're trying to get your piece to hold still. But if you're planning on joining them, you aren't going to be able to maintain a consistent over/under pattern. Your top knot is pulling clockwise. The one right underneath it is pulling counter. Do you see?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Aug-2006/46497-Adjust164459-knots.jpg

Hope to see you trying with some more. :wave:
Tess

DGrau
08-16-2006, 11:50 PM
Thank You Tess, for such a clearly written tutorial, and all of the time and effort you put into this. Wonderfull job. Always was curious how these were done.

I linked the square knot on the long points...not sure if they create an awkward look...but wished to save the flower looking part

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Aug-2006/34090-square-knot-web-2.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Aug-2006/34090-pretzel-knots-web.jpg

best wishes and thanks
david
P.S. in answer, yes I spotted the odd crossover you made after I drew these, Fairly easily,....beforehand I just got crossed eyes and a headache ::wink::

TessDB
08-17-2006, 08:16 AM
Nope, not awkward at all! Very nicely done, David! :clap:

Tess

Hillary
11-02-2006, 06:17 PM
I was wondering if anyone had a Knot in the shape of a Christmas Tree that I may use for a project. I can not get the whole drawing my own thing!! :o

Merry Scribe
11-03-2006, 08:53 AM
I was wondering if anyone had a Knot in the shape of a Christmas Tree that I may use for a project. I can not get the whole drawing my own thing!! :o

Will this help
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Nov-2006/75646-Celtic_Designs_566.jpg

or this one

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Nov-2006/75646-Celtic_Designs_518.jpg

Blessed Be
Brian & Annie

Merry Scribe
11-04-2006, 12:15 AM
I was wondering if anyone had a Knot in the shape of a Christmas Tree that I may use for a project. I can not get the whole drawing my own thing!! :o

Bye the bye welcome to the WC

Blessed Be

Brian & Annie

Butterflute
11-10-2006, 03:23 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Nov-2006/94608-CelticTraveller_transom.jpg I just stumbled upon this forum and your work is awesome. I'm an artist and signmaker and just had occassion of produce a logo for a boat called the Celtic Traveller. Pretty simple in comparison to what you all are producing, but please take a peak and tell me what you think. I created the vector art, cut and applied the vinyl myself. Could have painted it on as well.

:cat:

Merry Scribe
11-10-2006, 04:00 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Nov-2006/94608-CelticTraveller_transom.jpg I just stumbled upon this forum and your work is awesome. I'm an artist and signmaker and just had occassion of produce a logo for a boat called the Celtic Traveller. Pretty simple in comparison to what you all are producing, but please take a peak and tell me what you think. I created the vector art, cut and applied the vinyl myself. Could have painted it on as well.

:cat:

Very beautiful work you are overly critical of your work but I think we all think that others work is always better than our own. I like the fact that you used Uncial being that it is celtic. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Brian & Annie :wave: :D

remclave
11-22-2006, 09:40 PM
I haven't tried the pretzel knot yet but I've been playing with the triangle knots and this is what I've done so far....

TessDB
11-23-2006, 08:15 AM
Very Nice, Remclave!

Do you have a project in mind, or just getting your feet wet before embarking on one? Hope you'll share!

Tess

remclave
11-23-2006, 08:27 AM
Very Nice, Remclave!

Do you have a project in mind, or just getting your feet wet before embarking on one? Hope you'll share!

Tess

:)Just getting my feet wet to begin with.

When I finally decide on a project, I will definitely share!:D

mudslinger
12-19-2006, 07:58 PM
oop, messed up...see next post!...:rolleyes: :-D

mudslinger
12-19-2006, 08:00 PM
all right...i can't stand it- i have to jump in here, too! i think i've found another obsession...:D thanks a lot for the tutorial, tess! i've enjoyed playing around with celtic knotwork the last couple of days. i've been working on the triangle and pretzel knots and i've been trying this weave technique, too. pretty addictive, i'd say. my trouble is where to start a pattern and how to incorporate shapes, where and how to turn the bands...basic composition, i guess. this is the first time i've ever tried doing knotwork, so i've got a long way to go! at the least, the running borders will work nicely with some pen and ink pieces i have in mind. thanks again!:thumbsup:

this is what i've been working on- from first pencil work to a little color to see the effect. any crits or suggestions?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Dec-2006/89131-knotworksmall.jpg

TessDB
12-20-2006, 07:36 AM
It looks good to me!

Horribly addicting, isn't it?

my trouble is where to start a pattern and how to incorporate shapes, where and how to turn the bands...basic composition, i guess.

What you're talking about is another tutorial I've been meaning to put together on designing carpet pages. That and working in a circle... If you're interested, I'll push those up on my list of things to tackle "soon." :rolleyes:

While you're waiting on me, keep working with it. And lets see what you do with the borders on your pen & ink work!

Tess

mudslinger
12-20-2006, 06:05 PM
What you're talking about is another tutorial I've been meaning to put together on designing carpet pages. That and working in a circle... If you're interested, I'll push those up on my list of things to tackle "soon." :rolleyes:


Tess

please do! i've always been fascinated by celtic art...maybe it's some of my english/irish heritage poking through...:D;)

CPM
12-21-2006, 11:16 AM
Kathleen, I hope your going to pick a project soon. Your first efforts look great!
Mud, The page your creating looks really cool. Keep it up.
Tess, I am excited hearing about new tutorials. This fall has been very busy, but I am looking to start more knots. I was addicted and now going through with-draw-al.

- Chris

mudslinger
12-21-2006, 03:03 PM
well, i finished the pattern i was doing; it looks okay, i guess. not bad for a first effort, anyway...heh. i just scribbled in some color to see what was happening with the bands. i guess my only option for transferring this to bristol board would be to use the graphite transfer method. i don't have a light box or projector. i probably won't, though, seeing as how this was just an exercise, and i wasn't really precise with it. keeping the bands the same width is an exercise in patience in itself! :lol:

here's the finished piece-i did the bottom carpet section a little different than the top, and didn't fill in between the bands just as an experiment, but it's basically the same.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Dec-2006/89131-knotwork2.jpg

Merry Scribe
12-21-2006, 06:37 PM
well, i finished the pattern i was doing; it looks okay, i guess. not bad for a first effort, anyway...heh. i just scribbled in some color to see what was happening with the bands. i guess my only option for transferring this to bristol board would be to use the graphite transfer method. i don't have a light box or projector. i probably won't, though, seeing as how this was just an exercise, and i wasn't really precise with it. keeping the bands the same width is an exercise in patience in itself! :lol:

here's the finished piece-i did the bottom carpet section a little different than the top, and didn't fill in between the bands just as an experiment, but it's basically the same.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Dec-2006/89131-knotwork2.jpg
You have done very well :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: for a first time Tess we have hooked another one.:lol: :lol:

mudslinger
12-21-2006, 08:09 PM
heh- between this and doing stipple, i ought to drive myself insane pretty quickly...http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/crazy/1087.gif:lol:

TessDB
12-22-2006, 07:33 AM
This fall has been very busy, but I am looking to start more knots. I was addicted and now going through with-draw-al.

Groannn... is there a pad-pun smiley? Ok, new tutorial is on the list. It'll be after the first of the year before I can really focus on it, though. I'm still manning the front lines of Christmas-Retail-Insanity.

Mudslinger... even *I* don't have the patience to stipple! About transfer methods... Personally, I *hate* using graphite to transfer... smudgy smudgy icky. yich. I wish I had a big pretty lightbox, but what I use is more like a mini light table... Purchased at a quilt store many many years ago. It looks kinda like a plastic foot-stool with a plexi-glass top. You place one of those cheap florescent "under cabinet" lights under it & voila... whole thing was maybe $25. I did a quick google search, but couldn't find anything like what I've got...

Hi, Brian!

I'm thinking circles & spirals will be the next tutorial. Just because it's hard to do a knock-em over carpet page without them. Any objections?

Tess

Merry Scribe
12-22-2006, 09:26 AM
Groannn... is there a pad-pun smiley? Ok, new tutorial is on the list. It'll be after the first of the year before I can really focus on it, though. I'm still manning the front lines of Christmas-Retail-Insanity.

Mudslinger... even *I* don't have the patience to stipple! About transfer methods... Personally, I *hate* using graphite to transfer... smudgy smudgy icky. yich. I wish I had a big pretty lightbox, but what I use is more like a mini light table... Purchased at a quilt store many many years ago. It looks kinda like a plastic foot-stool with a plexi-glass top. You place one of those cheap florescent "under cabinet" lights under it & voila... whole thing was maybe $25. I did a quick google search, but couldn't find anything like what I've got...

Hi, Brian!

I'm thinking circles & spirals will be the next tutorial. Just because it's hard to do a knock-em over carpet page without them. Any objections?

Tess
Tess that would be great I myself would love to learn circles & spirals. Bye the Bye we finally got moved into our farm house Friday the 15th. And we love it here. Annie and I are very tired and sore we are not as young as we think we are. We both have the old age affliction mind or matter our minds say we are 18 and our bodies say that does not matter.

Blessed Be

Annie and Brian:wave: :D

TessDB
12-23-2006, 06:43 AM
Glad to hear you're getting settled, Brian (and Annie, too!).

Hope everyone has a Merry/happy/sparkly/joyous holiday! Me, I'm planning on sleeping.

Tess

Vegas Art Guy
08-07-2007, 06:01 PM
Wow, I'm gonna have to show this to my daughter and give it a go myself. Stippled Celtic Knots... :lol:

TessDB
08-08-2007, 07:44 AM
Hope you'll share what you come up with! And let me know if you need some help. :wave:

Tess

CPM
08-08-2007, 10:48 AM
Greg, you are a sucker for punishment ... stippled celtic knots .... I'l be waiting to see what you come upo with. - Chris

Vegas Art Guy
08-08-2007, 04:33 PM
Yes I am Chris, yes I am... :lol: I actually have an idea in mind already, I just need to start drawing it out. Obviously it's not going to be a large drawing, I want to keep what little sanity I have left. I'll post it here and in the P&I addiction er forum.

JustWild33
04-12-2008, 08:35 AM
Morning all. I have recently become interested in celtic art and after reading this thread yesterday I decided to give it a try.
This is my result from the Triangle Knot tutorial.
Thank you so much for this info. I have found a new hobby :thumbsup:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Apr-2008/137965-Picture_16.jpg

JustWild33
04-12-2008, 05:13 PM
Afternoon.
Today I made this. This is the 2nd peice I have done, which started off as a simple triangle knot practice. As you can see it evolved :rolleyes:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Apr-2008/137965-Picture_20.jpg

CPM
04-12-2008, 11:16 PM
Excellent start on the knots. They get very addictive. Be prepared to spend a lot of time making larger and larger pieces of artwork. Good luck! - Chris

TessDB
04-13-2008, 08:20 AM
Oooo, lookit! I've lured another one into my evil web of tangled bands! Next stop, world domination! :lol: :evil: :lol:

You're off to a great start, JustWild! :thumbsup: Your first post looks excellent. And I'm really glad to see you playing with them, letting them expand & evolve. Looks like you ran into a few issues with the 2nd post though... I hope you don't mind, I pulled it into photoshop to show you a few "fixes". :D

First thing that caught my eye was in the center (where you've highlighted the negative spaces in red) you've got a couple of bands that are kinda getting lost... If you were to increase the arc of the one that's lost in the first vertical (blue dots), it would allow you to maintain your weave pattern a bit easier and give a nice symmetry there.

On the 2nd vertical, it looks like you tried something similar, but maybe it got away from you a bit... If you did the arcs like I'm showing in yellow and green, I'm betting you'd find the rest of the weaving there a bit easier.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Apr-2008/46497-JustWild.jpg

Really really like that little extra twist you put in the center! Nice job breaking up the symmetry and highlighting the balance point. Way to go! :thumbsup:

my only other suggestion is to watch your over/unders. And that's the type of thing that just comes with practice!

You're doing a *really* good job with these. Let me know if you have any questions!

Rosemary (aka Tess)

stepintoit2009
02-14-2009, 11:52 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Feb-2009/175463-Celtic_Knot_-_Triangles.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Feb-2009/175463-Celtic_Knot_-_Pretzels.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Feb-2009/175463-Celtic_Knot_-_Pretzel_Frame_-_2-14-09.jpg
Hi, I love your lessons, they are awesome. I thought I'd post some of my practice pieces. I'm going to keep working with the other items under "Triangles and Pretzels" for awhile before I move on...it takes a bit to get the pattern to sink in to my brain! Thanks for the awesome lessons!:)

I've added color to mine for fun, but I was wondering if there are any "rules" to adding color to Celtic Knots, or methods that are accepted???

TessDB
02-15-2009, 09:00 AM
These look great, Judy!
One thing to practice a bit is watching your line thickness on tight curves (like in your 2nd practice panel). You're doing a great job!

I've added color to mine for fun, but I was wondering if there are any "rules" to adding color to Celtic Knots, or methods that are accepted???

The color is looking really good. :thumbsup: As far as "rules" are concerned... nope. none. nada. :D There *are* certain colors that are more historically accurate than others (bright reds, blues, greens, yellows), but I *certainly* don't stick to just those!

If you're wanting to design carpet pages etc, you probably want to keep in mind the things that make *any* sort of artwork successful-- a good range of values (the play of lights & darks in a piece), color temperatures, etc. As you play, you'll discover what works best for you.

Looking forward to seeing more of your practice pieces!
Rosemary

stepintoit2009
02-15-2009, 09:41 AM
Thanks for the feedback Rosemary. I am enjoying practicing, and noticing that a lot of practice will be needed in order to get the line and shapes to flow smoothly and accurately...I'll post some more practice pieces soon! Judy

Ravenshurst
07-07-2009, 03:06 PM
Tess, you are AMAZING!! I have always been captivated by knotwork, sort of like "Holy [email protected]*t, how'd they DO that!?!?" In less than five minutes I put together an almost acceptable tile using four of your triangle knots. (it took longer to ink, of course.) In a way, it's almost too bad, though. I have always had a pretty simple definition of art...If I can do it, it isn't art. Well, I haven't progressed any further than this one 4-knot tile, but the way you break the steps down so us mortals can follow them is amazing. If the rest of your mentoring is this easy, I guess knotwork isn't art after all. (Well, SOME of my knot work could be considered art. lol) Seriously, you are a wonderful teacher. Thank you for this tutorial. I really appreciate the time and effort.

Be Well

dolor volatilis*Gloria aeturnus*virgos miror malum

TessDB
07-08-2009, 07:20 AM
Hi, Raven!
Glad you found the tutorials!

I have always had a pretty simple definition of art...If I can do it, it isn't art.

You're gonna need a new dictionary. ;) I'd love to see your tile, if you want to share!
I'm not in the Calligraphy forum as much as I'd like to be these days, so if you post something and want to make *sure* I see it, feel fee to send me a pm (private message).

judithj
08-19-2009, 09:53 PM
I have enjoyed looking at all of these beautiful knots! Thanks so much for sharing the process and to all who have shared their work. It is an inspiration.

Much love to you all, Judith

Jurny
01-25-2011, 02:44 PM
Hi Tess,
I am looking forward to trying this......very exciting! Thank you.....Jurny

TessDB
01-25-2011, 05:10 PM
Hi, Jurny!
looking forward to seeing what you come up with! :wave:

gef05
08-03-2011, 10:00 PM
Okay - So it's, what, five years after you started this thread?

I've never done celtic knots before - or any sort of celtic designs - but now I'm starting to fill a pad with them. Amazing tutorial. I'm twisting my head up and down and around, and turning the pad, then turning the pad again, and drawing freehand knowing I should measure, but they feel good when you do them freehand and...

great tutorial. Great introduction.

TessDB
08-04-2011, 09:07 AM
Glad you're finding it so helpful, Gary!
Nothing wrong with freehanding it at all. :)

If you post some of your knotwork, send me a pm with a link, eh? I'd love to see what you're coming up. :D

Five years... yeeesh... didn't think it was quite that long ago! :lol:

rbajaj
11-01-2011, 06:04 AM
Your tutorials are great and very detailed, helpful and easier to understand. I just want to do all of your tutorials step-by-step.

So, started with the Triangles Celtic Knots and below is my final...

Request you to kindly suggest on improvement.

Thanks.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Nov-2011/973493-002.jpg

TessDB
11-01-2011, 08:45 AM
Your knots look great, rbajaj!
Well done. :)

At this point, I don't see any areas that need work. You've got all the "overs" pulling the same direction and your points meet really nicely.

Two little (and I do mean little!) things to keep in mind on your next: watch the width of your bands. Some of the curves are getting a bit thick. Which isn't bad, but may not be the look you're going for. :)
The other thing is to pay attention to where your ink outlines meet an "over". There are several spots where the outline has crossed another outline into a band. It's a minor minor thing that I bet will resolve itself as you practice!

All in all, really nicely done!
Looking forward to seeing your next one! :wave:
Rosemary

rbajaj
11-01-2011, 12:22 PM
Thanks a lot for the appreciation and liking my work.

At first, I wasn't confident enough in doing this but as I practiced it came over and I am really very happy that you liked the knots.

Thanks for the suggestions what you have mentioned, it will help me in improving the next tutorial. I shall keep you informed once I'm through the completion of the second part.

Thanks again.

vmrs
11-28-2011, 10:40 PM
I'm glad this came up! I was just looking for a tutorial and here it is. :D
Your graphs are wonderfully clear. Thank you. :D

Tennessee artist
11-29-2012, 05:52 PM
Tiling is just what it sounds like. Itís the same principle as creating a quilt block or laying tile on a floor. You repeat one basic element, rotating and repeating it to fit your overall design.

1. Begin with the little triangle knot we just completed. The new grid is 6x6. You can see it snugged up on the lower left side of the picture of step 1. Redraw it, rotating its orientation so the ďfatĒ corner is always pointing to the center. Make sure all of your ďoversĒ are going in the same direction. In my example, theyíre going right, as usual.
2. Add small lines to the ďfatĒ corners, breaking them into bands. Make sure your over/under pattern is consistent. This creates a very basic square knot, oriented on itís points.
3. As we tile the knots the grid expands in size to become 12x12. Repeat step 2 five times. Iíve marked in red the points of the square knots, so you could see how Iíve repeated them. Add the original triangle knot to the edges to fill in the gaps. Make sure your ďoversĒ remain consistent.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2006/46497-TriKPanelSteps1.jpg

4. On the outside, break the ďfatĒ corners & make them into curves, as always, paying attention to the direction of your ďovers.Ē Note: I goofed on one of them. Can you find it?

Thatís it! Not too terribly hard, right?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2006/46497-TriK1panelFinish.jpg

As youíve probably noticed, these are lots of separate knots, not one single knot. To keep this fairly simple, I didnít worry about that. Because weíve worked the triangles into squares, itís tricky to connect squares into one knot *and* maintain symmetry.

If youíd like to try on your own, here are some general rules for connecting knots:

1. Anywhere points come together, you can break them & join the knots. I did that with the ďfatĒ corners of the original triangle knot to create the basic square knot.
2. Anywhere two curves run next to each other, you can break them and turn them into straight bands *or* join them to become corners.
3. Anywhere bands cross, you can turn them into curves *or* corners.

Finally, one quick note about directional pull: in order to keep your weave consistent, all of your ďoversĒ will run in one direction, either pulling to the left or the right. When youíre doing a large piece, like a carpet page, all of those curves & lines will create an optical illusion of the piece itself rotating clockwise or counter clockwise. Enough of them all snugged up together, and the piece will begin to look wonky and out of square. How do you determine which direction youíre knots are pulling in? Pick one edge of your knot and look at the curves, say the top edge of the finished panel above. If the ďoversĒ are on the right side of a curve, your knot is ďpullingĒ clockwise. And obviously, if it goes to the left itís counter clockwise. So how do you keep it from getting weird on you? Pick a few elements that *arenít* connected and run them the opposite direction. This will create tension & break the illusion, making your piece hold still to the viewerís eye. Whenever I step back and look at one of my larger pieces, if something looks off to me, itís usually because Iíve got too many elements pulling in the same direction. Although sometimes I *want* that illusion.

Next up, pretzel knots.

Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup. ROFLMAO!!! GOOD ONE:)

birdhs
12-07-2012, 12:03 AM
Ain't Celtic great fun!

Hope this forum is finally beginning to revive, it is great therapy, time just flies by when you are focusing on those lines and curves

greg

meganj
11-25-2013, 02:34 AM
I love this! I started with the triangle knot panel and I'm playing with that now. I know my over unders are all out of whack. I'll take care of that when I figure out how the design is going to end up. I think I'm going to put a different knot in each of the open areas when I finishe with the outside parts.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Nov-2013/67498-knot_2.jpg

meganj
11-29-2013, 01:08 AM
Well I changed my mind, and this is what I ended up with. I'm okay that they don't all connect, I see them as separate thoughts. I'm happy with it as a first try. Pigma pens and acrylic ink.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Nov-2013/67498-Med_1.jpg

TessDB
11-29-2013, 08:29 AM
Nicely done, Megan!
I really like what you've done with this. You've taken a basic idea and made it your own. And that's a great thing. :thumbsup:

Looking forward to seeing more!
Rosemary