Basic 102 Class 1 - Intermediate Perspective

[karstenbuch]

Holy Moe that's a lot of pages and a lot of serious work going one here.I haven't been reading through it all but saw you were having trouble finding VP Anita. You can find it using the floor planks (or whatever they are called).
Desiree If you step on to the bridge you should be able to se me standing somewhere near the red cross, and I can see you.
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Well I know I'm not doing as told by teach, putting in all those shades on mine at this stage, but it really helps me on deciding how many details to do.

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[JayD]

You, know guys--as I look at all these beautiful photos--I REALLY have to get out of High Point more!

[Africanart]

Hi there

Wow!!! so many great pictures and excellent drawings going along with them...:eek: should I run or should I stay:D ...maybe stay otherwise I will never get this done:wink2:

Robin I redid my drawing and put my draughting cap on completely instead of halfway, not sure if I did it correctly, it looks good to me, I am still not sure if I got the two side doors correctly, although I have to admit it looks better then what it did in the first one.

So here we go...

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[*Deirdre*]

Jay...would that be like West Point...but with bars?:evil:

[Anita Murphy]

JayD - come and visit Mexico - you'd love it!

Ron - I think the track is slightly curved and hence the engine not having the same VP - I think you have to use your artistic license to straighten that track out.

Doug - neat bit of animation! How do you do that?

[Anita Murphy]

Karsten - thanks for that - I have it figured in my head for a moment and then it all disappears again! I think I need some of Jeanette's wine for a lightbulb moment.

Jeanette - pass the wine!!!

[Yorky]

JayD - come and visit Mexico - you'd love it!

Ron - I think the track is slightly curved and hence the engine not having the same VP - I think you have to use your artistic license to straighten that track out.

Doug - neat bit of animation! How do you do that?

Just made a gif animation in paintshop Pro - copied the phot several times and added the lines one by one.

africanart - the tops of the doors are also sloping down to the VP.

Doug

[JayD]

I just bought paintshop pro (in a box--phooey on downloads!--Sentinel took my system down last week so I am now wary of downloads)--I will have to fool around with that!

[Yorky]

I have version 9, Jay I'm not sure whether Animations Shop is bundled with Vesrsion 10.

In my case it is File/Jasc Sofware Prducts/Animation Shop.

Doug

[dotsart]

:confused: Hi Robin,
I am new to this classroom forum thingy and being from Scotland get confused very very easily:D . Diane Wright directed us poor wee souls who were confused about perspective on Mike Selby's 'DrawingfromLinetoLife' forum on Yahoo Groups.
I have been reading with interest over the last couple of days, and pleased to see that I'm not the only one who is mega confused!
As a fairly newby to drawing, I find the thought of anything technical takes the pleasure out of my drawing - not confident enought I suspect.
I have had a look at various photos I have at home, but don't really have anything suitable, is there anywhere I can get one from that would be good for this class?

Dot
(Canny Lass!)

[Anita Murphy]

Dot - Welcome!!! Go to "Content Areas" on the tool bar at the top of this window and select Reference Library. You will find thousands of copyright free images there.

[dotsart]

Anita,
Thank you for your welcome and pointer. Finding my way around here a bit daunting.

Dot

http://dotsart.blogspot.com
email: dottad@tiscali.co.uk

[Robin Neudorfer]

Ron It is possible like Anita says that the track is curved, but one thing I don't see that you are accounting for is the fact that no 2 and 3 are protruding out to the right. So you have to draw a horizontal and start from there. Remember this is an exercise in one point so we should adapt what we see in our photo and draw it in one point. Or if you are advanced enough and want to continue with the three with different VP that is fine also. You just need to make sure that you keep them noted as such for your self for when you start laying in the details. It is fine with me, you have three one point drawings. It would be different if you were going in and drawing a two point building to the side. You have done really well figuring out the lines and the VP. Question for you...Could you draw it again if you imagined that you were standing 3 ft to your left?
Did you go to PCC? I pass it everyday. It is beautiful now.

[Robin Neudorfer]

lis This does look like a simple one to tackle Why not give it a go, just contruct it using the rules not just copying approx sizes from the picture

[Robin Neudorfer]

Dee I certainly can help you find a picture, however it won't be until this afternoon. I have to teach this morning and then go visit mom. It is her 86th BDay, and she has been having a rough time lately. Promise I will help later, Okay?

[Robin Neudorfer]

Karsten and Doug Thank you for your demo's they are very helpful. I am pre PS so I have yet to learn all the cool tricks. Scanning is my best chalkboard

[*Deirdre*]

Dee I certainly can help you find a picture, however it won't be until this afternoon. I have to teach this morning and then go visit mom. It is her 86th BDay, and she has been having a rough time lately. Promise I will help later, Okay?
No problem Robin...Thanks...Wish Mom a happy Birthday from us too!:wave:

[Robin Neudorfer]

Mary You did it correctly. I just want you to now look at the same view standing in your living room but move over to the right. Do you see how the top corner lines, and the floor lines are at a different angle? Now move to your left, see how they change. They still go to the VP but the angles can change. So I want you to notice in your drawing you have put your VP right in the center, which is certainly acceptable for learning purposes. However for your future drawings when you angle the lines (or don't put your FP right in the middle ) it makes for a more dramatic view. Just want you to observe this not go changing your drawing. your drawing is perfect for learning this.
Yes Mary Doug is right, the tops of the doors do angle. I almost missed that as I am getting ready to run out the door.

[Robin Neudorfer]

Dot You could also draw a view in your house, I don't necessarily need a photo to work with you from. The proportions may end up different as I won't be looking at the same view. Or set up some simple shapes like in a still life. Just make sure that the sides are angled in the same direction, away from you.

[dotsart]

Robin, how about a row of books?

Dot
http://dotsart.blogspot.com
dottad@tiscali.co.uk

[Anita Murphy]

Dot - I think its on page 6 of this thread, Robin set up a couple of still lifes as examples. You could have a look at those.

[viking57]

Hi Robin,
I lived in Pasadena went to Blair HS in the 70's and PCC in the early 80's. They've made a ton of changes including turning the football field to face East to West from North to South when I played there....the nerve!, hahaha. I see you are from South Pas...(you know in 76 we won the game...sorry), had an aunt who lived on Warwick and hope you aren't hanging out at Woody and Eddie's.
Anyway....I imagine with all of these VP's I could move the angle of the drawing anyway you wanted it. If I move it enough I'd have to get creative in the details dept though but it wouldn't be a problem artwise. Technically, the undercarriage angles would be the biggest changes and I'd lose mechanical accuracy but artistically I'd adjust with shadow and suggested light.
As for this drawing, and the different VP's, I can just line them all up with the caboose VP if you'd rather I stay with one VP...no prob there. You tell me what you want and I'll do it. This is your class and this drawing is only for the class so far.
Ron

[Judi1957]

Hi Ron! So glad you are here. I LOVE that train! :thumbsup:
You could make the adjustmants for the one point and do multiple points later, just an idea. Looks fantastic what you have done!

[Morph46]

Hi everyone. Here is current work. Can't work on it as much as I would like too each day. At some point it will have to be copied over to better paper and I would like it to be larger as it is only 11x8.5 inch.

I'm finding this to be very enjoyable. What I am nervous about is trying to get the tones and textures right later on. But, I can see now how getting the construction correct first is so important first.

Robin, any thoughts as to how this is going?

[viking57]

Hi Judy,
I'm glad you placed the info over in P&I because this is really a cool class to be involved in. I love trains and recently went to Travel Town in LA to get a bunch of reference photos since I've never drawn a train before and wanted to do one in a future drawing.
You guys have the funniest people in the classes here. Anita is cracking me up all the time! I'm waiting to see what Robin has to say before going any further so in the mean time I'll start hunting down some thing to do for my next P&I work.
Thanks for putting out the word Judy!!
Ron

[viking57]

Oops...posted twice!

[Fireman's kid]

I am not sure where why you decided on a 5 x 5 square.
I also am not understanding your doorway widths on the side wall. Can you explaing how you figured that or if you just made up a width why did you choose that one?
Okay Robin, you are asking for a glance inside my head. I'm telling you that can be a confusing place to be. :lol: I'll try my best to explain my thought process.

I was trying to draw my own hallway as it would be if it was one width all the way down. In my upper hall there are three doors on the left. I guessed that the doorways were 2.5 feet wide and that the furthest one was 5 feet from the back wall. Only thing is I was running out of room so I moved the door closer to the back wall after I drew the horizontal at 5 ft. I totally guessed where I thought 5 feet was on the drawing. (Didn't even look at my own hallway :lol: ) Since I had 5 ft marked I decided on a 5 ft square. I just added an extra tick mark along the back wall. For the other doors I decide to draw them so they would fit on the page so I could practice more lines. I realize the doors are too close to each other (maybe too narrow too, I can't remember and the drawing is upstairs :rolleyes: ). I probably should have mentioned that. :o

I hope this all makes some sense. I promise to work from real life now since my imagination is confusing even me. :lol:

Even though the measurements aren't accurate, do you think I followed the concepts okay?

[Anita Murphy]

What I am nervous about is trying to get the tones and textures right later on.
Thats the easy part Morph!

I'm going to go and hit my chairs - spent all morning avoiding them! The door to the perspective room in my head remains stubbornly closed!

[Anita Murphy]

If its this difficult with one point what is two point going to be like? :eek: Or three point? :eek: :eek: I knew there was a reason I didn't want to do street scenes!

I measured my paper and chairs as ratio of actual size - 2 inches being 1 foot. We have low ceilings so ceiling is above the level of the top of the picture (7ft)
I am not aiming for photographic likeness - rather going for something that vaguely resembles the original! :lol:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2006/58769-persp2.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2006/58769-IMG_3418.jpg

Brought fudge today, Guys - anyone need some sugar???

[*Deirdre*]

Oooh Anita...I said I would be good and not even have chocolate...fudge isn't chocolate, is it?:D :thumbsup:

[Striver]

Morning all from bleary eyed Les, grandchildren decended yesterday, it's similar to being in a Hurricane I am sure. Suffering heavy sinus and looking for my head. 4 cups of G/tea and eye drops later and find 5 pages here. Must have blinked, my BRAIN hurts all of you striding ahead with marvellous work. Now who is in this back row, overcrowded and some teachers pets I feel. serious back rowers lets form a union and slow the pace down, Im breathless striving, and its not all chocolates either. Must find the attempt and have a go doing more shortly or sneak away, Is this a new lanquage as well to learn HL diags VP 123 EL or a computor coded fuzzel me. What happened to the KISS sytem.
I want my mummy, settle for another G/T
Perplexed, see you later
Les

[Anita Murphy]

Its vanilla fudge, Dee - so I think you could get away with it! :evil:

[*Deirdre*]

G'day, bleary eyed Les! Keep It Simple, Stupid works for me too! :p Send the G-kids out to do some sketching for a holiday journal...then you can get on with yours!:lol:

[Africanart]

Robin and Doug

Thanks, I am going to try and get another practise round in with something else, but not promising....things are getting a bit hectic around here. After I made the post I realised that I should have slanted the top of the doors a bit more.

Robin I am assuming that next week we are going to start the two point perspective, can you give me a hint of some examples, that way it gives me a chance to get some good stuff.

Thanks

Mary

[Mary Woodul]

Brought fudge today, Guys - anyone need some sugar???


Anita and Dee, I need the whole batch. I just have four lines and I am already stuck!!!:(

Hi Robin, I'm sorry to be confused so soon but how do I calculate the width of the negative space in the arches and the width of the verticle reinforcements next to them?:confused: I can eyeball it but I don't think that is what you want.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2006/43096-IMG_5172.JPG

[cmwynn]

This is the start of the drawing, the construction. The VP does look as though I were sitting down. I made the doors higher, I think that is what you meant. Now everything goes off the page. Luckily this is a condensed image, the few degrees off of all the verticals don't show too much. Before I go on, are there more corrections? The arches did improve using the square-semi-circle method. I deliberately lowered the center of the lower arch since it seems to be flatter than the front one.
Hope your Mom enjoyed her birthday and your company, it is such a joy to me to have family to help me celebrate events.
Edit: some of the skew of the verticals is due to the photography. I promise they are straighter.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2006/29839-Persp1_draw_1xm,jpg.jpg

[Anita Murphy]

Anita and Dee, I need the whole batch. I just have four lines and I am already stuck!!!

Mary - :lol: This is me too!!

[*Deirdre*]

Anita and Dee, I need the whole batch. I just have four lines and I am already stuck!!!:(

Hi Robin, I'm sorry to be confused so soon but how do I calculate the width of the negative space in the arches and the width of the verticle reinforcements next to them?:confused: I can eyeball it but I don't think that is what you want.

Don't know if this (http://www.wetcanvas.com/ArtSchool/Toolbox/LearningHowToDraw/Perspective10/) will help until Robin gets back...

[mauricar]

Well, I just handed the finished portraits to the client. He just loves them, and even ordered 20 cards with the children on them. Both portraits came out well. They were in black and white so it only took me about 26 hours. I worked quite late last night, and was up early this morning. I barely got them done before he came to pick them up. He wants me to do a portrait of his wife in pastel for Mother's Day. SO I am back.

I am going to do the building in ink and then add some colored pencil. I was able to get a straight edge and a triangle. Phew! Most of my lines tilted..... Not a great deal, but enough to be off. It is amazing what happens when you have the correct tools.

[Judi1957]

Hey All, I am back from My Mom's-can you believe today is her 75th birthday!:clap: :clap:
I am watching the store for a bit for Robin-and I know I can't fill Robin's shoes-but I will comment a lil. Robin will comment further-or correct me-when she get's back.

Midge-Glad you are back and congrats!!!!!

Dee-that is a great link! Thanks!!!!!

Connie, The depth of the wall at the hallway arch is missing. That depth is created by a line drawn from the bottom left front point of the wall at the floor and take the line back to your vp. Draw a vertical up from that line at the approx thickness of the doorway jamb. I do not see your ref offhand so I or probably Robin will get back to you. I do not think you are complete with your construction drawing yet. I do see you are not on-line right now--so we will move on a bit.

[Mary Woodul]

Dee, thank you so much, you are a jewel!!!:thumbsup:

Judi and Robin, Happy Birthday to your Moms.:clap:

[Judi1957]

Hi Mary-I am attaching something for you to review. Also check this out (http://studiochalkboard.evansville.edu/lp-diminish.html).

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2006/37258-marys_arches_steps.jpg
This is not identical to your ref-but it will explain things.

[Mary Woodul]

Wow, Judi! Thank you!:D :heart: That will help me. These links are great!!!

[Judi1957]

Anita-Looks like at this point you can do the legs. Make the front bottom of them horizontal and the sides go back to your vp. the lines going back to your vp will determine the width of the rear legs and also determine where the rear legs touch the floor.

I am sorry guys and ladies-this is a lil difficult for me after so long. I hope I am getting this correct. If not Robin has threatened me with a dunce cap and a corner. (Anita-you are in charge of putting Jack in the cap-k?:D )

[*Deirdre*]

I have no idea what time it is in San Merino now...just know it's 1.40am here...can anyone fill me in?:confused: I thought I'd wait till Robin got back... so I can have a think in my dreams about the project she sets me...but it may better to wake up to it:wink2:

[Judi1957]

I did want to mention to you all the twirling your pencil as you go along your straight edge will help keep the pencil point equidistant from the edge pretty well.

[Judi1957]

Dee-It is about 4:45 pm there.

[Anita Murphy]

Judi - I have a problem because the legs are different shape at the back and front - the back legs are closer together than the front legs on the front two chairs.

[*Deirdre*]

Dee-It is about 4:45 pm there.
Thanks Judi! Gosh...quite a time difference! I don't think I'll get my assignment tonight...so see some of you in the morning!:wave:

[Judi1957]

Night Dee! Sleep well. :wave:

[Judi1957]

Anita-Sorry-I thought you were going to do straight legs. Let me look again. Hold on a sec-I have to get Pat's dinner started. I will look at a print out while I do that.

[Anita Murphy]

The front legs are straight but the back ones aren't :confused: I should go cook for my DH too!

[cmwynn]

Judi - thanks for the help, but I have no idea what you are talking about. There is something strange going on inside the "tunnel", I will re-send the drawing and the reference. Maybe you could paint a red line where you are meaning. Or maybe it will be clearer in the moring.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2006/29839-Persp1_draw_1xm,jpg.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2006/29839-Per_1_image.jpg

[Judi1957]

Anita-one thing you need to do-go study the chairs legs and see if any point of the leg that touches the floor has any relation to the leg where it meet the seat. Observe/note the similar points or how they differ in distances from each other. See here:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2006/37258-anitachairplanview.jpg

Connie-sorry-not the best 'splainer.:D :
Noted a couple things on the left side that jumped out at me. Also the light fixture needs dimension. The ceiling beams in the rear hall need to be ended at the wall, and the rear arch/doorway is too narrow.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2006/37258-connie1.jpg

[Anita Murphy]

Off to check my chair legs!

[Judi1957]

Hi Morph,
Nice draftmanship.:)
Looks like you are altering the ref some as in its objects and scale? I think though that the man doors are not following the same lines and the lights are at different levels/locations. See in the ref how high the canopy above the door is and the tall transom below the canopy. Those features do not match each other in the drawing-door to door. The door in the front has the panes divided into two sections - left and right,as well as 4 stacked vertically. I think the second door may actually hit the light globe ig opened full.
I think there is some distortion in the photo especially in the wooden window coverings (?) on the left side of the roadway. I think the cross members need to line up consistantly across all the doors-following the line to the vp.
The 'pitched roof' on the rear building on the left is off-if it is even a roof of that building. It is hard for me to tell that in the ref. I am doubting it because if it was a pitched roof-the peak would not be located as you drew it. To find the peak-you would do this:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2006/37258-roof_peak.jpg

[JayD]

OK--TO ALL YOU KITTY FANTASTICOS--speeding along--congrats!! you are all fantastic!!

Robin, I am going with your advice and will go with the second picture. I am working on it now and will post shortly. Here is the grayscale and the color versions:

[Anita Murphy]

Jay - I think this is a great ref! Another great avatar!!!!

[RandyC]

My thumb is getting better. I won't be hitchhiking anytime soon, but I can hold a pencil now. Here is my first attempt.

[Robin Neudorfer]

Hi Everyone it has been a long day. Taught an extra long day to help out a teacher that was sick, and needed to go home. Then half way through my day I received a call from my daughter at the skating rink. They thought she had dislocated her collarbone. So a "quick" trip after school to go get an x-ray. Luckily everthing is ok and we can move on.
So I am back...

Dot a row of books maybe some standing and some laying down would be a good study.

[Robin Neudorfer]

Ron The purpose of the class is just to understand one point. I do believe that you do. No need to change anything. I only point it out so that there is understanding.
For the record... I grew up in Eagle Rock. I went north to the bay area for about 10 years, then ended back in San Marino. I pass by Blair daily when I take my daughter to the ice rink. I hang out at all the Pasadena joints.
I am glad that you are enjoying the class. Is Anita disturbing the class when I have been away? No extra recess for her then. All the rest of you that have been seriously working, get a gold star for the day.

Morph This is a very clean neat drawing and is working well. Would you please double check, because I have only checked on my computer screen. Check the placement of the lights over the windows. Do a criss cross of the window or recesses on the left side and that is the mid point where the light frame should be mounted. Remember that the diagonals should be drawn from the outer most edge of that window/recess. Lookin' good.
You will have no trouble with the final. The class isn't over on a specific day. I will be around to make sure you understand the process and method. We don't ever close the doors.

[Robin Neudorfer]

Stacy Your methods are just about accurate. I have not gone back to search for your drawing tonight, but from my memory, the doors on the side walls came out too wide. I was trying to figure out the 5x5 now that has to be reduced to 5 equal units so that the doors can be 2.5/3 units wide.

Anita One way to measure your drawing is to draw a horizontal along the front edge of your front chair. Measure the front chair seat (front edge) and then mark off a unit ruler such as 1 ft = ___ ( a unit that is this wide) based on the measurement of that front edge of the front chair. Then with that unit "ruler" you can then figure out the other two chairs. You will just need to pull the perspective lines forward to the horizontal line you drew in front. using your unit "ruler" you tic off the measurement and then draw the corrected perspective lines.
I WANT A CHALK BOARD - JAYD CAN WE PUT IN A REQUISITION FOR A WEB CAM?
Anita, please let me know if I totally confused you, I will draw this on a paper for you. It would be easy for me...

[Robin Neudorfer]

Les But didn't you realize you are one of my favorites. You can't slink away...we will go slow... I left for the day at work, and came home to 3 pages. I was thinking maybe we could have worked on the same project together. Maybe that is what we need to do next week. I will think this through. Then pretty pictures can come later.

[*Deirdre*]

Morning all! Robin, sorry you had such a long day! Did you by any chance remember a ref for me?:)

[Robin Neudorfer]

Boys and Girls Please make note how Mary uploaded her drawing and RI
she has given me her drawing and then the RI is below it in a thumbnail. This makes my work so much easier. I can enlarge her picture to see what she is talking about. Mary you get extra recess for being so thoughtful.

Mary On your sections you need to draw your diagonal through the midpoint of the vertical line. Where that intersects the top perspective line is where the next section line is drawn. If you really look at your sections and think about this is real life the sections look like they actually get wider visually. Just pull the photo directly underneath the drawing and you will see what i mean.
Now to answer your question about the pillars

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2006/30341-Mary_Arch.jpg

You have the center lines drawn (corrected as above) looking at my quick construction drawing above, You can create a measuring grid. The one I realize doesn't really help us out yet. you can find the center of each arch by doing cross diagonals on the archway itself, you don't have to lay it out on the ground. I am finding proportional pillars by first finding the width I want on the far right. That finds only 1/2 of the pillar though. So I draw a diagonal through the midpoint of the section line and I find the second half. I can continue doing this all the way down. I do this lightly because I don't want these lines to confuse my arch later. (that is why I only have shown tic marks. Then I am at the second section line. I have found both halves this way. You continue down the line.
You can figure out the arch two different ways. Either find the 3D shapes above the arch and draw that as a rectangular cube, and then figure the arch in perspective, or draw the arch as if it is an elipse tipped on it side. So you draw a square that the elipse will fit into, find the squares midpoint and then the curves can be figured in each quadrant. I will draw that next if you don't understand my late night chatter.

[Robin Neudorfer]

Dee I am very sorry for leaving you hanging all day. I will look for a reference after I comment on all of the posts since you will be up in a bit. Have some tea, and then we can comment on a picture.

[Robin Neudorfer]

Connie A few things to consider, the archway as I see it has a width of about a foot. Then it sets back to the west side a bit. The two side doors - on the right you have drawn the frame straight down to the floor line. At the bottom it should have a horizontal line going east to show the width of the door frame. Similar problems are happening on the left side. I can't figure out all of the planes, what is horizontal at the top and what is vertical. Think about each rectangular section as a plane. Your corrections look good

[*Deirdre*]

No problem Robin! I am just going to walk the dog...back in an hour!:wave:

[viking57]

Hi Robin,
Welcome back and bad news...the Bob's Big Boy at the Eagle Rock Plaza is now a Chinese Chicken place....(there is no mercy in this world!). And your ice skating rick is probably the same one I was taking my girls to next to the convention center...cool place. haha.
Big thanks to Judy for filling in today!!!
Since you said this part of the class is in 1 point perspective I listened to both you and Judy and decided to adjust my drawing to that today and this is it. I also added some minor details to the caboose and boxcar while I was at it.
Sorry...I just these are digital pics not scanned....
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2006/1949-Caboose500.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2006/1949-Caboose_Corrected.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2006/1949-Loco_DET.jpg
(I should have adjusted the roof on the locomotive and will....)
...and there was a lot of chocolate flying around here today from Ani....never mind.
Ron

[Robin Neudorfer]

Ron That is one cool drawing! Do just one thing for me. The windows on the caboose, Do a diagonal crisscross to find the middle and see where they are in relationship to that and maybe to the quarter section too. This is going to make a great drawing, and later a ? painting ?
**had vanilla cokes after HS at Bob's. The area is making a comeback though which is nice. The ice rink is still in the same place but a new one is on the drawing boards, to be moved to Foothill Blvd....we can't wait.

[Robin Neudorfer]

Randy You also get extra recess today, because you were considerate to post the two pictures side by side, so that I can bring them up and study them. First thing I have noticed and it is hard to tell from the RI the top window frame and the top mullion (cross member), the line where it separates the horizontal from the vertical, needs to be exactly horizontal. They seem to be angling down a bit. The other thing I am not sure of is the window closest to me seems like the panes are about accurate. I wouldn't question them in a painting, the next two look like they were guessed at. Did you do any criss cross to get the center lines on each and then again to get the quarter lines? Also try to center the wrought iron supports under the sunshade, on the vertical part of the wall, it would also help to place the horizontal support for that sunshade.
For the flower pots, first draw them as cubes, then you can find the top elipse as compared to the bottom elipse, because they will not be a horizontal line like you have them drawn.
I hope this makes sense.

[Striver]

Hi Robin
You are allowed to take some time of for yourself, sounds like you are hurtling along a fast lane.
An apple for the teacherKind regards
Les

[Robin Neudorfer]

note I may have another busy day tomorrow.
Mom fell two times yesterday and hit her head. She was taken to ER tonight to be checked out. She has been very dizzy and groggy, and the medicine they tried hasn't helped so... especially since I just lost my dad, this isn't fun.
I may ask if we can extend this class another week, so that we can fully understand this information. It is so crutial to your drawing skills.
Please study what makes a horizontal line, what makes a vertical line and what makes a perspective line. While you are having your morning coffee/tea look at the shapes around you and see in what direction the edges are going. Try to have a one point view. Study your world.

[Robin Neudorfer]

Thank you Les

[viking57]

Hi Robin,
Hope your Mom is ok.....
Here is the Diagonals on the windows....

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2006/1949-Cab_Windows1.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2006/1949-Cab_Windows.jpg
Ron

[viking57]

Hmmm,
I forgot to include the black weatherstripping around the Cupola windows...I blew it on the lower right one farthest forward....I did one of the Diagonal lines off center of the corners. My little triangles aren't even on that one...Oops!
Ron

[Robin Neudorfer]

Dee a few quick ideas...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/RefLib/showphoto.php?photo=30608&cat=24

http://www.wetcanvas.com/RefLib/showphoto.php?photo=55071&cat=24

maybe only the front house minus some of the extras... we can talk
http://www.wetcanvas.com/RefLib/data2//24/thumbs/24304astann1.jpg

[Robin Neudorfer]

Sorry to not be clear Ron.
Take the diagonal of the side of the caboose.
Find the center line, find the quarter lines
It may be more like thirds if my eyes are working tonight.
But do your windows fall within a pattern here?
I just want you to know this is an excellent working drawing, very clear and easy to "read".
It is kind of like legible handwriting.

[Robin Neudorfer]

Dee I was looking more but I am feeling ill I am so tired. I was also looking through the still life area. Can you set up something at home?

[*Deirdre*]

Robin...thank you! The first one we did as a WDT...so I would be cheating to do that one! The second is reasonable...the third looks interesting..
So sorry to hear of your Mom's problems...has she got problems with her ears? I'm thinking balance....regardless...I'm sure they'll be thorough with their examination & tests...and get her back safe & sound to you! Try not to worry!

[*Deirdre*]

Robin...Please go directly to bed! You won't do yourself, or anyone else, any favours if you make yourself ill!:eek: get a good nights rest...we can manage!:cat:

[Mary Woodul]

Robin, after having such a difficult day you still have the patience and generosity with your time for us. Thank you! I hope your Mom is better today and take it easy Robin because that kind of stress is not good for you.

I think I read you, I will try it out after I come back from my Pilates class, house cleaning, cooking and post again.

Mary you get extra recess for being so thoughtful
and some of Anita's chocolates.:p :D

[Fireman's kid]

Robin, so sorry to hear about your Mom! :( I hope she is doing much better today and that her doctors are taking good care of her.

Please do what you need to to take care of yourself and your family. I know this perspective stuff has my head swimming so any extra time I get will only help. You have given such thorough notes to everyone we can always learn from each other's drawing until you get back. No harm, no foul, no worries.

We can be a demanding bunch just from the sheer number of us, but we all know you are teaching out of the kindness of your heart. Take care of your mom and daughter and come back when life is back under control. :)

[Robin Neudorfer]

Thank you Dee, Mary and Stacy. I hope to have more information after today.
JayD can we have one more week for One Point Perspective? Then maybe you will get a start on your drawing. What do you say Mr. Manager?

[Anita Murphy]

Robin - I hope your mother is ok!

I am confused - I actually think 2 point is going to be easier for some reason. Or is that just insanity talking?

[*Deirdre*]

This is my new start....hopefully not too far wrong...except the ladder!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2006/33616-robini.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2006/33616-24304astann1.jpg
Nowhere near finished yet!

[IslanderNL]

Robin, I'm sorry your mother is having problems. I can say I understand as I go through similar problems with my 82 year old mother. It will all fall into place, but it is stressful.

As for perspective and me, well I really don't know if its my cup of tea or not. I have to admit that elements of it interest me, but more elements of it frustrate me too. I know that's part of the learning process, to push yourself outside of your comfort zone. I don't mind the discomfort, but I wonder what use I will make of the knowledge when and if I ever get it. :) I'll see what happens as the next few days unfold. I just seem to be balling up pieces of paper for firestarters with this so far.

Technical drawing is very different and a unique form of art. You have that gift and are sharing it. Thank you.

[Striver]

All STUDENTS

Seems to me that our ROBIN needs some time out so how about a few days off for us all and give her a chance to get her breath. Remember she is a working lady and mother as well as looking after us lot. Has Family pressures as well as occupation responsibilities.
If there is a relief teacher to hand for say a week, OK. Otherwise lets have a long week end of from school so robin can catch her breath.
If I dont hear otherwise I intend stepping out until the 7th April so she has one less to worry about. I can spend that time reading up on one point and doing my drawing. Seems also to me this class involvement needs more time for the teacher to correct, lets step back a bit and smell the roses. Is it going to fast?
Concerned for Robin
Les

[Judi1957]

I think that is a good idea Les!:thumbsup:

Robin-I hope all will improve for your Mom. Take it easy please! :heart:

[myrairving]

Les.. I'm with you on the break.

Robin, I hope the situation improves with your mother, and that you remeber to rest. :)

[Fireman's kid]

I still have a portrait and a cp drawing to finish so a break works for me. :)

[Mary Woodul]

Les, I'm with you. I think this class is very time consuming for the teacher and the C&Cs take a lot of drawing work together with careful observation.

First things first Robin, I think we can all use the extra time.:thumbsup:

[Morph46]

I'm okay with taking a little longer. Need time to redo the right side of my drawing. :)

[bairam]

Robin so sorry to hear about your mom. You know you won't be any good to her if you don't take care of yourself. We can all wait until you are ready to start this again. As for me I've got irons in the fire and that will give me time to try a few "two point perspectives"

A little hint that may help clear up some confusion. One point perspective is where you see the front of a building, object, etc. Two point perspective is where you see two sides of the same. Kind of simplifying it but it help me to think of them this way.

See you all later. :)

[Robin Neudorfer]

Thank you everyone, you are a wonderful bunch to be associated with. Mom has bumps and bruses everywhere, and is still waiting for neurological tests, but she has been moved back home and is being monitored. We will know more soon I hope.
We are trying to do a 12 wk course in a few. I think we were going at a frantic pace. So continue to ask questions about specific areas of trouble. We can slow down, and hopefully enjoy the process... well I can hope can't I?
Again... you all are great.

[Judi1957]

Well there is no reason for a frantic pace is there? I think valuable information that you have tucked in your head may not get relayed to us if you are rushed. You take care of your Mom and yourself as those are the important things. Class can continue at a slower pace right now. I think a lot of us can take this time to clear the deck of some unfinished work that has been there for a bit.
We love ya Robin!
:grouphug:

[JayD]

Robin, this is an intense class--you can set it for as many weeks as you would like. There is NO rush here--everybody wants to learn--we DONT want to kill you.

[Robin Neudorfer]

Hi again - I think I caught a little bug and that is why I crashed a bit. But also knowing we can slow down is a good feeling. I think I may come up with a little take home quiz, to see if you all have understood this first concept. I have to figure out a way to make it so you don't look at your neighbor's paper while my back is turned.We need to be sure that you understand one point before we move to two point. Keep working and posting I am around and enjoy the challenges.
Thank you again for all of your kind words.

[Mary Woodul]

Robin, take care! I'm off to the ranch with my homework and I think I am beginning to see the light. Anyway I will practice and practice this weekend and see if I do.:D :wave:

[*Deirdre*]

:grouphug: Make sure you get rid of the bug before you comeback to class Robin...and when you do...please set your own pace...deal with us one or two at a session...no more! It's easier in a real class where you can just speak and impart your knowledge visually...but try to type, describe, refer back, refer to notes, download pictures then type, describe, refer back, refer to notes, download pictures and then on to the next type, describe, refer back, refer to notes, download pictures then type, describe, refer back, refer to notes, download pictures and then on to the next,type, describe, refer back, refer to notes, download pictures then type, describe, refer back, refer to notes, download pictures and then on to the next,type, describe, refer back, refer to notes, download pictures then type, describe, refer back, refer to notes, download pictures and then on to the next,type, describe, refer back, refer to notes, download pictures then type, describe, refer back, refer to notes, download pictures and then on to the next...that little example has dealt with about 5....how many are in the class?:p

[Robin Neudorfer]

You are very funny Dee, and an extremely caring person. I am feeling better, and working on a way to convey this subject, to many different levels of experience. In a classroom, you can see the look on a students face and know if you have explained a subject clearly. Sometimes just using different words helps. Othertime picking up the chalk and drawing, gets a few more to understand, and then others working directly one on one. I don't have that luxury here, and with many distractions it is difficult to stay focused on the needs of the individual students. I appreciate your understanding.
Your not killing me JayD, it just is a new experience and I am trying to follow in the footsteps of some of the great instructors. Not an easy act to follow.
I am considering a small assignment to double check each students basic knowledge. It will give me an idea of where everyone is, in their basic perspective education. Sound okay to everyone?

[*Deirdre*]

Exams already!:eek: :eek: http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2006/33616-7231-6659008.gif OK...I'm ready!:evil: :p http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2006/33616-33973-10074-MexicanWave.gif http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2006/33616-33973-10074-MexicanWave.gif http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2006/33616-33973-10074-MexicanWave.gif
How about the rest of you?

[Anita Murphy]

EEEK!! Now the truth will out - and I will be sent to the corner with the dunce's cap on!

Think I better go out and stock up on more chocolate!

Dee - I hope you are going to share some of whatever it is you are drinking there!

[Africanart]

Well let's go for it...how else are we going to find out if we paid attention in the classroom.....(watch now I will probably be the first one to fail:lol: )

Mary

[Robin Neudorfer]

first a field trip... this is too good not to share... and yes it can be your perspective.

http://www.kerismith.com/WishJarTales/artlife.htm

[*Deirdre*]

EEEK!! Now the truth will out - and I will be sent to the corner with the dunce's cap on!

Think I better go out and stock up on more chocolate!

Dee - I hope you are going to share some of whatever it is you are drinking there!
What??????:smug: The first is gin, the second vodka, the thirsh ish whishky, the ford ish the killer sunrish, de fifffth ish aw heck whursh de fiffth? Didyoonickmadrink?:mad: :mad:Whaddyallhave? I'm on the floor! :D :lol:

[JayD]

For those of you who never did the 101 classes, there is an exam over there-about midway through-its a tradition here--Robin, feel free to also utilize the POP Quiz--we've not had those before!:evil: :D :evil:

[*Deirdre*]

I'm not much up on American PoP...but I do like Black-eyed Peas!:p :lol: They're cheeky aren't they?:lol:
PS...Jay...love that Avatar! Haven't forgotten your pic...just have to fix the eye then send it!

[Striver]

Anita, No, you cant have the DUNCES hat, its mine I have worn it too long to give it up, get your own.
Ill have a malt thank you
Les

[JayD]

Dee, in the New-Nited states, a Pop Quiz is a surprise test that the teacher just springs up from nowhere!! I like the black eyed peas as well. I had thought about drawing Fergie (the girl pea) but then realized that was a bit too mid life crises.

[*Deirdre*]

Pop up out of nowhere...I see....when would that be?:evil: :lol:
I like Fergie's 'attitude'...mid life crises...nah! Not you!:wink2:

[Anita Murphy]

Oh boy - this class is getting completely out of hand!!! Black eyed peas - next there'll be red hot chilli peppers!

Les that dunce's hat is big enough for the both of us!

[Robin Neudorfer]

Dee, that is the point. You never know when the teacher is going to pull one on you. Usually when the class is completely out of hand....
...just kidding, it is wonderful to see some life back in this place. It was getting a bit too serious. Craft project: dunce hats decorated to show your personality.

[Fireman's kid]

Craft project: dunce hats decorated to show your personality.
Okay, craft project making dunce caps. :clap: This I can do. :D But a pop-quiz on perspective... :eek: :eek:
psst, Judi, can I copy off your paper. :evil: please :o

[Robin Neudorfer]

Stacy,I bet your kids will love to see you in a time out with your dunce cap on.

[*Deirdre*]

I found one that perfectly describes me....
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2006/33616-leprechaun_dunce.jpg

[Anita Murphy]

Next she'll be wanting the dunce hats in perspective!!! :eek:

[Robin Neudorfer]

Wonderful suggestion Anita.
Very cute Dee.

[Fozbot]

Robin, so sorry to hear about your Mom! hope all will be well soon. ((hugs))

[Anita Murphy]

Wonderful suggestion Anita.


No no no I didn't say it - it wasn't me, I'm innocent! :angel: :angel: :angel: :rolleyes:

[*Deirdre*]

No no no I didn't say it - it wasn't me, I'm innocent! :angel: :angel: :angel: :rolleyes:
Hmmmm! Do I believe that? Let's see....who else was there? Hmmm...shuffles off to bed! Mutter, mutter mutter

[Anita Murphy]

It was Dee - I heard her, she just sneaked it in under my name!

[mauricar]

I go away for a while and look what happens. The entire class has become full of jockularity.........

[JayD]

I go away for a while and look what happens. The entire class has become full of jockularity.........

There's a powder for that!:evil:

[*Deirdre*]

I just got up for a glass of water - and it's a good job I did! SOME people - not mentioning any names...but you know who you are....and that the first letter of your name starts the alphabet...and you share the name with my elder daughter.... and a film star called Eckberg....need to watch out because your nose will grow!:evil:

[mauricar]

Rotfl.

[Anita Murphy]

OK who is it whose nose is growing?????? *looking round to see*

[bairam]

Not mine...I'm just the shy, girl sitting in the back of the class.

[*Deirdre*]

OK who is it whose nose is growing?????? *looking round to see*
I wonder!!!:evil: :evil: :evil: :p
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Apr-2006/33616-anita-nose.jpg

[Anita Murphy]

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Apr-2006/58769-11410-30494-11613-laugh1.gif

But Dee - you didn't draw it in perspective!!! :clap: :clap:

[Judi1957]

ROTHLMAO!:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[*Deirdre*]

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Apr-2006/58769-11410-30494-11613-laugh1.gif

But Dee - you didn't draw it in perspective!!! :clap: :clap:
Oh yes I did...you just can't see further than your own nose!!!!!:p :p :smug:

[Anita Murphy]

Bur where is the VP and the HL?????

See what happens the minute teach leaves the room - chaos!!!!!! :lol:

[Anita Murphy]

Is anyone drawing any perspective at all in here? I am going to do my chairs (goodytwoshoes) after I have been for my run. :angel:

[Judi1957]

I will be later Anita:angel:
-have to visit Mom and go to work again for a few hours.

[Anita Murphy]

Any of you new people in here, don't forget to add your pictures to the class yearbook. Dee, that includes you!!!!

[*Deirdre*]

Heh heh! http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Apr-2006/33616-anita-nose1.jpg
Here's lookin' at you kid!:p

[*Deirdre*]

Any of you new people in here, don't forget to add your pictures to the class yearbook. Dee, that includes you!!!!
I didn't come down in the last shower of rain!:lol: :p

[addicted2jesus]

Hey everyone, ummm not trying to stop all the fun ur having:D, but if I want to take this class can I just jump right in or are there any requirements? Sorry for being late to class but I haven't had much time to draw...

[Anita Murphy]

A2J - if you feel you are up to the nightmare :p just jump straight on in. Read the write up that Robin gave us at the beginning. We are still on week1 which is one point perspective. Looking forward to seeing your work.

[Robin Neudorfer]

What a fun way to wake up to business. You gals/guys are great!
Welcome A2J, glad to see you again. How is school?
We do need to get some work done here. Study up because there will be a pop-quiz this week.

[JayD]

Robin and everybody, please dont forget to place your picture in the class yearbook thread. Anybody who is taking any of the class can post there--also you can see (if you dare) what we all look like!

[karstenbuch]

Thinky something is wrong with this perspective ----- not sure what.
Please HELP.:confused: :confused:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Apr-2006/71908-perspfault.jpg

[*Deirdre*]

Karsten...it's because your name is Buch...and not Escher!:evil: :p
Well done though! :thumbsup: I love your pictures!:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[bill1051]

Robin, I am very new around WC and still trying to find my way around. I am following your class with interest and would like to join if its not too late. I have had drawing I and II College courses, however I believe there is so much more I need to learn. I just got this interest late in life, so I need to hurry up. If I may join, will the following image be OK?
The street is going down hill.
Bill

[Robin Neudorfer]

Bill Welcome to Wet Canvas! I am glad that you have picked up the bug. Have you learned anything about perspective in your college courses?
This looks like a great example of one point perspective, as long as the roof lines are kept horizonta. You might even just stick with the second build, because there is enough to draw there with the arches etc. After you understand that then maybe add the next building. I see that you have found the HL, and VP. That is a good beginning.

Now for the benefit of the others: How do you know that the street is going downhill?

Karsten - aren't you clever! You are now on the subbie list, and we will see you in the advance class.

[bill1051]

Thanks Robin, Yes I have learned something about perspective, but I need some hands on experience.

[floralchick]

Robin, I'm also new to WC and would love to have a go if it's not to late?
Floralchick.

[Anita Murphy]

Floralchick - welcome to D&S and WetCanvas. Please feel free to join in. All the classes are ongoing so you can do any of them at any time.

[Robin Neudorfer]

Welcome floralchick (makes me think of the 70's, as I was a flower child... nothing more than a flower in my hair and beads)

I am working on a "pop" quiz assignment, for my out of control students here.
They think that they can sit back an relax, but I have something else in mind.

[floralchick]

Thanks guys and I'm looking forward to having a go at just about anything. I have started my one point perspective drawing how do i physically go about posting it?

[floralchick]

Oh by the way I'm in Australia so forgive any time boo boos on my behalf.

[Anita Murphy]

Floralchick - go to "Go Advanced" under the quick reply window. There on the right you will see the little yellow square with the mountains in (image loader) - click on that and then browse to your file and select. When it loads it will show in the window and you just click on that and it will insert itself into your reply. Your image cannot be more than 500 x 600 pixels.

[Robin Neudorfer]

floralchick (...do you have a real name we can use?)
You will just have to carry on the night classes with Les, and...need to go check out the seating chart.
Hi Anita!!! how are those mango's? Did you save any? Have you ever had mango leather?

[Anita Murphy]

Hi Robin! Mango leather? No - sounds revolting! I bought eight mangos - only 4 left! Going to have to go and get more Tuesday! I could live off them.
Sorry I didn't do my chair today, wanting to finish off the classically garbed lady with the bunch of roses. How was the sketch crawl?

[floralchick]

Robin,
Please my name's Amanda. Sorry I guess it is a bit cheesy (and I'm talking the blue vien variety.
Amanda:wave:

[Robin Neudorfer]

We deserve the weekend off, don't you think?
Mango leather is good - pureed mango (if you can't eat them before they go to waste) and dry it. I got mine from a friend in Thailand.
The sketch crawl was wonderful. Though I think I did more talking than drawing. I was home about an hour and my husband came home, he had a bicycle accident. A little boy bike rider cut him off at the beach and he hit the pavement with his head and shoulder.
Ok ...that is the third bad incident this week. It is someone else's turn now.

[Anita Murphy]

Robin - thats your lot - they come in threes. So relax!

[Robin Neudorfer]

phew!

[Striver]

Floralchick, Amanda. My you are lucky, the back row is full however the smell of blue cheese eased you in, we are crackers enough here, Anita will pass you a chocolate if you are a good girl, two if you are bad.
Les

[floralchick]

I quite like chocolate will try my best to be good or bad I'm not to sure which way to go now. Thanks Les

[lls1309]

Hi Robin
I'm back!! I've been working so haven't had time for drawing. Anyway, I've started. What do you think? I'm a bit stuck on the top half of the photo. Is the bottom half OK? Also, how do I upload the image as a thumbnail or is it better to keep going as I am? Thanks for your help. Lynn:wave:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Apr-2006/66155-Drawing_1.jpg

[Robin Neudorfer]

Good Morning Lynn. It really is a help when you upload the two together.
When you click repy, you will get the advanced reply. Underneath the reply box there is a button called Manage Attachments. It will place thumbnails into your reply box. It won't show up as code into your messeage, but will show up listed under the manage attachments if you have uploaded correctly. Remember that the size cannot be larger than 500 x 600.

[cmwynn]

Robin - I am stuck. You said that the back entrance looked about 1 foot wide. The reference is fairly vague, but there is definitely a wall on the left side and some clutter, including a pole, on the right side. I just don't have enough information to figure out how to make the entrance wider. Can you give me a reference to help with this?

[Robin Neudorfer]

While I am at work this morning please study up, finish other projects, and sharpen your pencils. I will return.

[Robin Neudorfer]

Connie - did I say the back entrance? I am sorry, I think from my recollection that it is the first arch looked like it was about 1 ft "thick"/wide/deep. The architectural term is not coming to me this morning. It then jogged back a bit in the RI. Also did you understand my notes on your door frames/mouldings? To make them realistic, where they jog back at the top they also have to jog back at the bottom. Does that make sense? Please don't hesitate to ask me questions if I have not made myself clear.

[Judi1957]

Hey All:wave:

Anyway-I decided to see how far I can get with THIS (http://www.wetcanvas.com/RefLib/showphoto.php?photo=56058). I am thinking it is not as complicated as it is alot. Will do this on BIG paper-lol.

[bairam]

Are we starting up again. If so....here is my finished drawing on one point perspective.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Apr-2006/2194-prespective.1.jpg_006_copy.jpg

C & C Welcome

[Anita Murphy]

Judi - now that is what I call ambitious!!! :thumbsup:

[Morph46]

:wink2: While I am at work this morning please study up, finish other projects, and sharpen your pencils. I will return.

Wait a second, I'm at work now too. Hope the boss isn't looking. :wink2:

[Mary Woodul]

Lots of nice drawings here!

Robin, I hope I corrected this right. My VP got cut off by my camera!:(

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Apr-2006/43096-IMG_5252.JPG

[Fireman's kid]

Judi - now that is what I call ambitious!!!
Anita - I was thinking of another word...crazy! :evil:
It is a beautiful picture Judi, but would drive me insane. I know you'll do it and make it look easy, peasy pumpkin pie. :)

Mary - looks like you worked hard this weekend. I worked hard too, only I was cleaning the house instead of drawing. :crying: I'll have to go back and study the instructions you got for doing arches. I have arches in my new reference.

Maria, you've been busy too. I like your kitchen drawing. I can't comment on the perspective. Need to leave that up to the experts. :D

While I am at work this morning please study up, finish other projects, and sharpen your pencils. I will return.
That sounds vaguely like a threat. :eek:

[Mary Woodul]

Stacy, these links that Dee and Judi posted for me and Robin's instructions finally made me understand the arches a little.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/ArtSchool/Toolbox/LearningHowToDraw/Perspective10/

http://studiochalkboard.evansville.edu/lp-diminish.html

You can figure out the arch two different ways. Either find the 3D shapes above the arch and draw that as a rectangular cube, and then figure the arch in perspective, or draw the arch as if it is an elipse tipped on it side. So you draw a square that the elipse will fit into, find the squares midpoint and then the curves can be figured in each quadrant. I will draw that next if you don't understand my late night chatter.

Speaking of housecleaning, you have been a good girl, that is what I should be doing.

[Robin Neudorfer]

Oh my...
Mary first... I don't even know what I wrote in that quote above. Gibberish. It is so clear in my head and comes out so garbled online. How is that? It did make me chuckle though. It is good to laugh at oneself, right?
You have worked hard my friend. One issue I have is with the thickness of the archway.
1. You need to establish the thickness in one.
2. The thickness will be shown by drawing a horizontal on each column, this will give the pillar thickness. This right now is following the perspective line.
3. You must draw through your subjects as if they were clear. That way you will find the left sides of the pillars and the backsides. Then you will know where your arch is to curve to. Right now they appear to be different thicknesses. Once you establish the right back corner you can construct another perspective line to the VP. This will be the bottom of your back wall.
Still gibberish?

Judy- Challenging, for what I know of you and your work, you are not one to walk away from a difficult situation. You will have a nice drawing. Great reference.

Maria - the one thing I want you to check, it could just be how this was scanned. All horizontal lines should be exactly 90 degrees to the verticals. Exactly perpendicular, for one point perspective. If the photo is distorted, you have to create the correct image (if I am not seeing this forgive the instruction) The backdoor, and the lines on the fridge appear to be dropping off to the right a bit.

Morph - forgot the name, sorry...
Tell the boss that you are supporting the ARTS. Isn't that tax deductable or something?

Heads down: clear the noggins for a minute please, or do some silent reading for a while.

[Mary Woodul]

Thank you Robin! My mind works so akwardly, Robin :D but do you mean for me to cube the column for the thickness?

[Robin Neudorfer]

Please stop at this post, answer questions, before continuing on.

POP QUIZ
please do not look at your neighbors paper, you came here to learn.
If you are more concerned with looking "right" than with understanding the subject, that is no longer my concern. Cover your work, please.


1. The Eye Level is:
a. horizontal
b. vertical
c. diagonal
d. none of the above

2. What is another name for EL?
_______________________

3. How many VP's are in a one point perspective?
_______________________

4. Where is the VP located in a one point perspective?
a. above the HL
b. below the EL
c. on the HL and EL
d. it is based on where you are standing

5. A perspective drawing possesses which of the following characteristics:
a. overlappping of forms
b. diminution of size
c. convergence of parallel lines
d. foreshortening
e. all of the above

6. The position and orientation of the observer is called a:
a. ground line
b. station point
c. picture plane
d. angle of vision

7. All lines lying within the picture plane retain their true length (to scale) and direction.
True / False

8. All lines parallel to the picture plane retain their true direction but increase in apparent length as they come in front of it and decrease in apparent length as they recede from it.
True / False

9. All lines and planes not parallel to the picture plane are never shown in true size (to scale), shape or direction.
Ture / False

10. Using a 8.5 x 11 piece of paper, I want you to construct:
a.) draw one rectangle in the center that is 2" high and 3" wide.
b.) measure the height off into 8 equal units (make light ruler marks along one side line)
c.) Find the HL at 5.5 units
d.) Place the VP along the EL
e.) Draw four perspective lines from the four corners
f.) Place a door in the back wall that is 7 units tall and 3 units wide
g.) On the left wall place a window anywhere that is 3 units tall and 2 units off of the floor
h.) On the right side of the room, place a bookshelf on the floor that is one unit deep, and 4 units tall, length is up to you. No books yet please.
i.) place a rectangular rug in the center of the room
j.) draw a light fixture centered over the rug


Congratulate yourself for attempting the above.
It is more of a lesson of how I can help you with some of the basics.
Please post your results.
If you are shy, you may PM me with the answers.
Thank you all for participating in this POP Quiz.
I have 32 on my roll sheet.

[Robin Neudorfer]

Mary That is exactly what I mean. We always need to know the blind side of an object to truly understand its existance.

[Mary Woodul]

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Apr-2006/43096-4_9_91.gif I will go do my test!:angel:

I

[*Deirdre*]

Robin...is it me...or have you only given instructions for 2d rather than 3d?

[Anita Murphy]

Robin - how long do we have to complete this test?

[Anita Murphy]

Jeepers Creepers - this is worse than being back in school!

Pssst Mary - do you know the answers?

[Robin Neudorfer]

Dee- all of this relates to one point for now. We have not begun 2point or 3point yet.

Anita - basics my friend, take your time. This should keep you quiet for a while. Treats on me when you are done.

[*Deirdre*]

Sorry Robin...I'm just not understanding it properly. I have a rectangle...but no other walls
I may as well show my answers...probably ALL WRONG!:eek:
POP QUIZ
please do not look at your neighbors paper, you came here to learn.
If you are more concerned with looking "right" than with understanding the subject, that is no longer my concern. Cover your work, please.


1. The Eye Level is:
a. horizontal


2. What is another name for EL? Horizon
_______________________

3. How many VP's are in a one point perspective? 1
_______________________

4. Where is the VP located in a one point perspective?

c. on the HL and EL


5. A perspective drawing possess which following characteristics:

e. all of the above

6. The position and orientation of the observer is called a:

d. angle of vision

7. All lines lying within the picture plane retain their true length (to scale) and direction.
True

8. All lines parallel to the picture plane retain their true direction but increase in apparent length as they come in front of it and decrease in apparent length as they recede from it.
True

9. All lines and planes not parallel to the picture plane are never shown in true size (to scale), shape or direction.
/ False

10. Using a 8.5 x 11 piece of paper, I want you to construct:
a.) draw one rectangle in the center that is 2" high and 3" wide.
b.) measure the height off into 8 equal units (make light ruler marks along one side line)
c.) Find the HL at 5.5 units
d.) Place the VP along the EL
e.) Draw four perspective lines from the four corners
f.) Place a door in the back wall that is 7 units tall and 3 units wide
g.) On the left wall place a window anywhere that is 3 units tall and 2 units off of the floor
h.) On the right side of the room, place a bookshelf on the floor that is one unit deep, and 4 units tall, length is up to you. No books yet please.
i.) place a rectangular rug in the center of the room
j.) draw a light fixture centered over the rug



http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Apr-2006/33616-robbin.jpg
Excuse the smudges...which aren't that evident IRL...I had to enhance the image to get the lines to show!

[Mary Woodul]

Jeepers Creepers - this is worse than being back in school!

Pssst Mary - do you know the answers?

Anita, I can't do the drawing.:crying: Dee, promise I'm not looking at your answers, I'll post mine in a minute but I have to honestly say I didn't understand the drawing part because I thought it had to fit inside the rectangle.:o

[Mary Woodul]

POP QUIZ
please do not look at your neighbors paper, you came here to learn.
If you are more concerned with looking "right" than with understanding the subject, that is no longer my concern. Cover your work, please.


1. The Eye Level is: a
a. horizontal
b. vertical
c. diagonal
d. none of the above

2. What is another name for EL? HL
_______________________

3. How many VP's are in a one point perspective? one

4. Where is the VP located in a one point perspective? d
a. above the HL
b. below the EL
c. on the HL and EL
d. it is based on where you are standing

5. A perspective drawing possesses which of the following characteristics: c
a. overlappping of forms
b. diminution of size
c. convergence of parallel lines
d. foreshortening
e. all of the above

6. The position and orientation of the observer is called a: c
a. ground line
b. station point
c. picture plane
d. angle of vision

7. All lines lying within the picture plane retain their true length (to scale) and direction. T
True / False

8. All lines parallel to the picture plane retain their true direction but increase in apparent length as they come in front of it and decrease in apparent length as they recede from it. T
True / False

9. All lines and planes not parallel to the picture plane are never shown in true size (to scale), shape or direction. F
Ture / False

Oh, this is so embarrassing how I will fail this.:crying:

[Mary Woodul]

I'll come back with the drawing!:confused:

[Robin Neudorfer]

You must be tired Dee... you have been waiting for this pop quiz all day. This is a wall you are facing. The side walls will be created by the perspective lines. I am sorry I am going to make you work for this one. There is another way to created this room. Go look at a wall head on, and see what the side walls are doing. I know you can figure this out.

[Fireman's kid]

Okay here are my answers for the first nine...
1. a. horizontal
2. horizon line
3. one
4. c. on the HL and EL
5. e. all of the above

I was okay up to question 5 (or at least I think I am :o ) but I admit I didn't know the answer to #6. I wanted to say c. picture plane, but if the observer is in the picture plane, how in question #8 could lines come in front of the plane? :confused: So I picked choice b even though I don't think I've ever heard that term before. :rolleyes: And if b is the correct answer, I don't know the definition of "picture plane"

6. b. station point
7. T
8. T
9. T

Here is the drawing for #10...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Apr-2006/31442-WC_102_L1_quiz_drawing.jpg

I promise that I tried my hardest and didn't copy anyone else's answers. :angel: Do I get treats now? :D Or did I fail and get kicked out of class? :crying: The suspense is killing me. :eek: :lol:

[Judi1957]

POP QUIZ
1. The Eye Level is:
a. horizontal

2. What is another name for EL?
eye level = horizon line

3. How many VP's are in a one point perspective?
one

4. Where is the VP located in a one point perspective?
c. on the HL and EL

5. A perspective drawing possesses which of the following characteristics:
e. all of the above

6. The position and orientation of the observer is called a:
c. picture plane


7. All lines lying within the picture plane retain their true length (to scale) and direction.
True
8. All lines parallel to the picture plane retain their true direction but increase in apparent length as they come in front of it and decrease in apparent length as they recede from it.
True
9. All lines and planes not parallel to the picture plane are never shown in true size (to scale), shape or direction.
True

10. Construction Drawing:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Apr-2006/37258-pop_quiz.jpg

[*Deirdre*]

Here's hoping! I think it was the perspective lines that threw me off...I though there were the imaginary lines drawn to show perspective...and not the wall s of the house.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Apr-2006/33616-robbin1.jpg

[Judi1957]

The door didn't have to be centered did it? I didn't see that written.:eek:

[*Deirdre*]

I can see that Stacy has understood the question! I wonder how many more variations there will be?:eek:

[Robin Neudorfer]

Isn't it like 3 am there Dee?
You are a glutton for punishment. I like serious students.

I am not going to give online answers yet, waiting for those other variations.

[*Deirdre*]

2.30am...I'm off to bed! Do I get credits for being keen?:p :D :lol: :wave:

[Anita Murphy]

Here's my drawing - Teach has marked my questions (I thought I had to PM her with the answers!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Apr-2006/58769-perspec2.jpg

[*Deirdre*]

Here's my drawing - Teach has marked my questions (I thought I had to PM her with the answers!


:p :p Teacher's pet! Teacher's pet!:p :p :p :lol:

[binkie]

Wow! Hope I'm not jumping in over my head. I have a lot of trouble with perspective although several teachers have tried to explain it to me. Anyway, below are the pics I selected and drew (tried anyway) to draw the VP lines.

I apologize for the roughness of the sketch;:confused: I'll try to do better next time.

binkie

[Fireman's kid]

Dee - GO TO BED!

If you keep staying up like this people will start talking. They'll call it an addiciton. Addicted to perspective...think what that rumor would do to your reputation. :eek:

Nighty night! :wave: Sweet dreams. :)

[Anita Murphy]

Binkie - welcome to the torture chamber!! Teach will come and check your drawing. There is a pop quiz a couple of pages back if you want to do that! :p


Dee - I just thought that we were supposed to - that way I didn't look at everyone else's answers before I did them! :angel: More like I was too embarrassed I would get them all wrong!

[Mary Woodul]

Robin, I'm sorry I had to go out without solving the drawing but I will work on what I have and post in the morning. I've seen the others but I'll try to work with what I have.:D :confused:

[myrairving]

Here's my drawing. took me a few to figure out, dorky me had it taller rather than wider at first. heh.

http://static.flickr.com/37/122971842_79d279d8f8_o.jpg

[Robin Neudorfer]

At least you are willing to state the truth. Please... there is no reason for anyone to be embarassed about this. I considered doing it that way, but we either want this or we don't. I can't force someone to learn it.
I find the brain fascinating. Some see heightened color, some see 3D clearly, some crop images exquisitely, etc. To find the level of comfort is our goal.

You may not scare away the new students though.
Binkie Anita has lost her recess today, so she is a bit grumpy.
She may try to slip you some chocolates, but beware...
Nice drawing, and a good RI of one point perspective.
If you would like, you can follow the directions in the Pop Quiz. It came to my attention, that people were able to pick a nice picture, but they didn't truly understand how to construct a one point drawing.
Why don't you give it a shot. It is on pg. 29

[Robin Neudorfer]

Anita not a huge blooper, except for the architect... you hung your bookshelf on the wall rather than placing it on the floor.
Are you skimming my directions? The final is going to be a bit more tricky.

Myra I think you did a great job on this. From where you were the other day, I think you have a feel for this today.

I have answered by PM to each of you, so if you have not yet taken the quiz, please know that I am not here to embarass you. I will talk with you privately, if you are struggling.

[bairam]

Well here it goes. I hate tests....:mad:

Pop Quiz

1. horizontal
2. horizon line
3. one
4. c
5. e
6. c
7. true
8 true
9 false

Now the drawing. I ran into trouble right away. I miss read the instructions.
I tried to do everything within that 2 x 3" square. When it came to putting a rug on the floor, I realized that I'd done something wrong.

After looking at a few examples in this thread, I saw that I was supposed to extend the prespective lines out to make the room....oops....:o

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Apr-2006/2194-test.jpg

Thanks

[*Deirdre*]

Hi Robin, are you able to give me any feedback on my last drawing( not the test!) as I hope to continue with it. I thought, as I tend to get those sort of drawing very smudged when I use a ruler, that I might go over the correct bits in black ink, then erase the graphite...any thoughts?:)

[lls1309]

Hi Robin

I've re-posted my drawing with two photos. The photo without the lines is the one I'm working off (although it now has lines on it). The scanned photo for some reason missed some bits out. I've got an old scanner from my Dad so will have to work out how to use it better!! I've been at work today and out tonight so haven't had time to do any further work on my drawing. Would appreciate your comments though. Thanks Lynn

[Fireman's kid]

Lynn, I think you have your VP a little too high. I see that front doorway as sloping down, not up. Lines above the VP will slope down, lines below it will slope up. Height wise, I think your VP is about in the middle of the arch on the back wall.

[Robin Neudorfer]

Dee, I am sorry but I have gone back 5 pages and I can not seem to find it. Will you please help me out.
I personally don't like erasing. I don't like what it does to the paper. I don't like what it does to the quality of the ink either. I always like a very smooth surface for my ink work, and a slightly vellum surface for my drawing. So for me I would take the drawing and using a lightbox, or some other means of transferring it I would work on another paper. That is why construction drawings are usually done on tracing paper, or very thin low quality paper. It is like a rough draft in writing, or scratch paper in math.
You could take a felt tip, drawing type pen, and work over the graphite and use the two together. I have seen that work beautifully. I don't know the quality of your paper, but I also like graphite and watercolor.
Oh the choices we artists have to make. Preplanning is a good idea, but those happy accidents are exciting as well.

[Robin Neudorfer]

Lynn, Stacy is correct, you don't seem to have established your VP. It is possilbe it might be higher if you the viewer are standing on a higher level to take the picture. But your VP's even taking that into consideration are not making this believable yet. All of your perspective lines, the doorways, windows, bottom door step, should all go to the Same VP which is on your Eye Level or Horizon Line (these are one and the same).
Keep going you are almost there.

Good Morning, Stacy! TY
How is PA today?
I hope you have a great day today. Talk to you later.

[Anita Murphy]

Robin - I like my bookshelves on the wall! :mad: Then I don't have to bend over to get the books out!

[*Deirdre*]

Dee, I am sorry but I have gone back 5 pages and I can not seem to find it. Will you please help me out.
I personally don't like erasing. I don't like what it does to the paper. I don't like what it does to the quality of the ink either. I always like a very smooth surface for my ink work, and a slightly vellum surface for my drawing. So for me I would take the drawing and using a lightbox, or some other means of transferring it I would work on another paper. That is why construction drawings are usually done on tracing paper, or very thin low quality paper. It is like a rough draft in writing, or scratch paper in math.
You could take a felt tip, drawing type pen, and work over the graphite and use the two together. I have seen that work beautifully. I don't know the quality of your paper, but I also like graphite and watercolor.
Oh the choices we artists have to make. Preplanning is a good idea, but those happy accidents are exciting as well.
Thanks Robin...it was 336 (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4489104&postcount=336)

[IslanderNL]

Well let's see how I did on this. I didn't peek honest.

1. A
2 Horizon Line
3 One
4. C
5 E
6 D
7. True
8. True
9. True
10. I'm at work and don't have time to do this right now and can't find my ruler either! I'll do it tonight and post it provided I figure it out!

[*Deirdre*]

Robin..forgot to say...paper is18x24 250gsm Stonehenge, vellum finish so should take erasing in it's stride!:wink2:

[Morph46]

Okay, here it is.
1. horizontal
2. Horizon Line
3. One
4. on the HL and EL
5. all of the above
6. station point
7. False
8. True
9. True
10. Using a 8.5 x 11 piece of paper, I want you to construct:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Apr-2006/6612-Basic102_quiz01.jpg

[binkie]

Thanks for the welcome, Anita. A pop quiz?! YIKES!! I thought tests were behind me. Building up the courage to post my drawing amid all your accomplished artists was really tough. And now a test too?! Breathe deeply so the panic attack will stop. Okay, that's better. When I get the nerve up I'll sneak a peek at it.

binkie

[Striver]

Ah , the test! Off the cuff then without diligent study!

1 = a
2 = HL
3 = 1
4 = c
5 = e
6 = d
7 = True
8 = True
9 = wonder what this means
10 = To follow

Les

[Mary Woodul]

Hi Robin and everybody!:wave: I'm sorry I left yesterday without turning in the drawing but I had to go out. Please forgive my dirty scanner. I increased the contrast for the lines and the mess on my scanner increased too.:o

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Apr-2006/43096-Quiz.jpg

[Anita Murphy]

Robin - I have a problem. I retook my ref pic - one chair, with the camera pointed at eyelevel not down at the chair. I then drew my eyelevel line and proportionally drew the floor and the front edge of the seat and front legs of the chair. The back of the chair is narrower than the front of the chair - how do I allow for the difference in the drawing because the perspective lines do not follow the actual lines of the chair?

[Mary Woodul]

OOOps, Robin, I made a mistake with the bookshelf. I forgot to bring the side down to the floor.:o

[Mary Woodul]

I'll do this over again Robin, my diagonals don't meet the outside rectangle. Lesson, never do things in a hurry!!!!:(

[Mary Woodul]

I just fixed the bookshelf but realized I was wrong about the perspective lines meeting with the oustside rectangle. You can tell how much I know about all of this.:o
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Apr-2006/43096-Quiz_1.jpg

[floralchick]

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Apr-2006/79944-street.jpg
Robin,
This is the first picture and my first image post for that matter. Will attempt Quiz and and test later today. Does this mean I'll get detention?
Amanda:angel:

[IslanderNL]

Ok, I've done the drawing, but I know now that I look at it, that the bookshelf is at the wrong angle. All the books will fall out of that for sure.

I'm not sure how I measure the angle of the end pieces, Robin, to correct that. Yes one unit wide but where's the angle come from? The bottom of the end wall?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Apr-2006/67422-perspectivetest.JPG

[IslanderNL]

I think I've answered my own questions here and have adjusted the bookshelf. So here's the updated version.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Apr-2006/67422-perspective_test_2.JPG

[floralchick]

Here's most of my pop quiz except the drawing wont be able to upload that till hubby gets home as my laptop is not happy today.
Amanda

1.A
2.eye level
3.1
4.C
5.E
6.D
7.True
8.True
9.False (I think?)

[Fireman's kid]

Hi Amanda! I took a quick look at your drawing since I'm not sure when Robin will get here. The one thing I notice is that all of your lines should converge at a single vanishing point. (I tried to show you what I mean on your drawing, but it was beyond my computer saavy. :rolleyes: )

After you are done your quiz, look at the construction lines in Jeanette's (IslanderNL) quiz drawing. See how when extended they all intersect at the same point. If you extend the lines on your drawing they should do the same thing.

I hope that makes sense.

By the way, good job figuring out how to post. The first time is always the toughest. :clap:

[Robin Neudorfer]

Hi everybody, I am back from class. I'll try not to spill dinner on your drawings.
Jeanette - I am so proud of you for figuring out your problem. In a one point perspective, all lines parallel to the picture plane will be horizontal.
good job on the light fixture, but please double check it with my description to Mary below.

Stacy - thank you

Amanda - Stacy is right the problems I see also with your drawing is that the perspective lines are not following through the ONE vanishing point.
Also all the people of average size should have their eyes placed on or near the EL = eye level, children will be below the EL.
The answer for #6 is Station Point
and #9 is True - the lines that are not parallel to the picture plane are never shown in true size , shape or direction. The have to be foreshortened and angled to create the size difference we experience.


Mary I admire your willingness to take on this challenge. A couple things to note:
1. The lines from the VP through the corners of the back wall are not stopped by another rectangle. What you have done is drawn a line where a mat or picture frame would go, or where you would want to cut out your drawing.
2. The one line on the upper left should be from the corner to the edge of your paper.
3. Usually the lines we draw as construction lines are light, and the darker lines are used to define the planes.
4. The light over the rug is at the edge of your picture plane. Instead you would find the center of the rug, by doing two diagonals, and draw a straight line up to the ceiling. Then you would project the rug onto the ceiling by drawing verticals from the corners of the rug on the floor to the ceiling.
To find the end lines of the rug on the ceiling, draw a horizontal from the edge of the rug on the floor over to one wall, and carry it vertical up the wall and then horizontal over onto the ceiling. You are lightly constructing a rug on the ceiling, and then running two diagonals to find the center. That will place the light centered over the rug.
Boy I hope this makes sense

[Striver]

As Dr Spock said "It's Logical"
Les

[IslanderNL]

I think I've interpreted this correctly Robin. My question is why do the image of the rug on the ceiling when the centre line found in the rug on the floor brings you to the same point?

No scrap that question. I see that its the same centre but the position is changed on the ceiling.

That's whay I get for doing perspective at 5:30am! I couldn't sleep so its come to this! :lol:

Here's the update. Pleae let me know if I'm heading in the right direction on this light centre concept.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2006/67422-perspective_3.JPG

[Striver]

Here is my effort, babysitting for a few days now, so its a marathon endurance test for a go9lden oldie.
Enjoy life
Les

[floralchick]

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2006/79944-1_point.JPG

Quiz is done. Hoping this is better.

Amanda:confused:

[Mary Woodul]

Robin thank you! Yes that made sense and I will do those changes to learn.

Jeanette, I have enough trouble just posting at 5:30AM but I would never be able to draw something as nicely as you have, at that hour.:eek:

[lls1309]

Hi Robin

Here are my test answers and drawing. I found the test drawing much easier than the one I'm attempting to draw for the lesson which is giving me grief!!

1. (a)
2. Horizon Line
3. one
4. (c)
5. (e)
6. (d)
7. True
8. True
9. False
10. Drawing attached.

[lls1309]

Hi Robin & Stacy

Thanks Robin and Stacy for your tip re VP. I think I might be on the right track now although it's starting to drive me crazy. Maybe I'm just tired! Anyway, if you could let me know if I am on the right track I'll then attempt the top half of the photo. Sorry to be so slow - I'm a bit out of my depth I think as I'm really only a beginner but if you don't mind I'll persevere.

Lynn

[Robin Neudorfer]

Since this is where I am expected to be I am going to post here, rather than five different PM's and posts.
Dee this is for you too.

after a very long day, work and school, I thought I could get to bed early, said I would answer some posts and then hubby was having a rough go of it. The world was spinning everytime he went to lay down. I didn't want to play around after the spill off of his bike, so we headed off to ER. He had a CT scan for his head, and an Xray for his elbow, The head is ok, a concussion, and his heart rate is low, and BP high (he had a heartattack 3 yrs ago), so anti dizzy meds are to be taken, and he has a fracture in his elbow.
8 hrs later we are home it is 6:20 am and I am dizzy myself. I am going to sleep now I am so sorry if I have put you off. This really was unexpected.
I appreciate your patience.
Hugs to all of you
it is pouring literally.
Robin
[

[IslanderNL]

Poor you Robin and your husband. You really have had your share of problems this past week haven't you?

Rest and take it easy for a few days, there's nothing here that won't wait. We're a patient bunch - a bit rambunctious at times, but patient. :)

Anita, time to go to the store for more chocolate I think. A crisis always requires chocolate.

[*Deirdre*]

Robin,,,go rest in your nest at our request,
We'll do our best, in our quest to attest,
to your test, which you behest, will make us best!:p :lol:

Now if that little lot doesn't tire you out...I don't know what will!:evil:

[Anita Murphy]

The Chocolate cupboard is refilled! :clap:

[Mary Woodul]

Robin, I'm so sorry to here about what happened but I feel relieved no injury to the head. You take your time and take care of yourself too. Hope your DH is feeling better. The last two weeks I was fighting with my blood pressure, somedays too low and others too high but they finally got the meds back on track and my dizziness has finally disappeared. Take care!:thumbsup:

Thank you, Anita!http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2006/43096-8_8_361.gif

[IslanderNL]

ahhhh chocolate....good for the soul

[Fireman's kid]

Robin, you are really in a rough patch. Nothing like medical problems to throw you off your game. Believe me...I know. :rolleyes: Please rest, take care of your family and take care of yourself. Anita and her chocolate will take care of us while you are gone. Just try not to think of the sugar buzz we'll all be on when you get back. :lol:

Pass those chocolates please!

[Africanart]

:eek: :wave: :lol:

This is so funny but fun to do.

1) d
2) Abreviation for Eye level or horizon line
3) one
4) c
5)e
6) d
7) True
8) True
9) False


10)http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2006/69011-popquiz.jpg

Robin, tough times I know, but keep your chin up and stress levels low, we aint going anywhere. Take your time to take care of your family and yourselve.

Mary

[Striver]

Robin, it is fully endorsed we all are behind you and supportive tho far away, do hope you derive some comfort from that. We appreciate that this work can take your mind off the pressures around, however we also are giving you pressure. Your normal art work can be healing and helpful for you apart from us.
Now while you are aware we are'nt in a rush and gratefull for your assistance do you need us around at this moment in time.
Is it better for you to take some time out and let the dust settle around you.
Why not put this class on hold for a period and pick it up later, last thing we and your family want is you stressed out and in hospital or ill.
Do hope your fellow guides and moderators are talking with you about this.
Concerned
Les

[*Deirdre*]

Robin is well aware we don't want her to overdo it...and she should take things easy and at her own pace...now if we could just force feed her some of that chocoalte - she be so stuffed full she couldn't move!:evil: :p

[viking57]

Hi Robin,
Been away finishing a project up and looks as if everyone else is here in class! I'm late!
Here's my answers...
1.A
2.Horizon Line
3.1
4.C
5.E
6.D ( looks like the best answer because the Picture Plane is what you see right?)
7.True
8.True
9.False
( insert your vision of sweating artist here....)
Here's my pic...(note- there is a solid line on the bottom of my book shelf, caught it after scanning...and that's a bay window and yes, I forgot to darken the bottom line on that too!)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2006/1949-Homework.jpg
Hope that works. Good luck with all that's happening over at your house right this moment. I'd say "when it rains it pours" but we've both had lots of that in the last couple of days too huh?. Hang in there!.
and Mary...the first time I started this drawing I did the same thing...drew inside the box! hahaha!
Ron

[Anita Murphy]

and that's a bay window
:eek: Ron - you're showing off!!!!

[Mary Woodul]

Ron, but you worked it out beautifully and I posted thinking it was right.:lol: :lol: :p Oh well, I'll never be an architect.:D

[Robin Neudorfer]

Ron you are first tonight only because your drawing is in front of me. I am not sure why the horizontal plane on the window is angled down. My only thought is that you tried to eyeball the line and your eyeballs were tilted. That line as well as the top of the bookshelf should be a precise horizontal line.
The other thing that is wrong is the width of the bookcase. Your one unit measurement should be taken at the back wall line. You can't move forward in the picture and expect the same unit of measure to be the same width (or height) as the back wall.

[Robin Neudorfer]

Dee To answer your question, I do believe your drawing is correct from your point of view. It isn't what I had in my head, but when i gave the directions I did not see this view point as a solution. It is but would not make a great drawing. It would definitely help someone visualize the over all space of a room however. The other methods of what you have been seeing, Stacy's being the (sorry everyone) best example is what would be used in a future drawing. This is where you are standing at the picture plane, at the edge of your paper, looking in. Does that make sense.
Go ahead with your drawing with all of this information in mind. I think you understand more from seeing the process of this exercise (pop-quiz).

Les - Hi there!!! You are so wonderful to take care of me. I really appreciate it. I think my "self" is back on track. Your answers were right except for #6 which is Station Point, and #9 which is true. The lines drawn in perspective never appear true to size,and direction. They are always forshorten, or angled in one way or another.
You need to revisit your drawing again. Just one observation to start, and you are not the only one that has drawn it this way. It is not wrong, but it is rare that you would draw a room with your VP exactly in the center of the back wall. Leave it for now, but ususally you would be standing off center (especially after a beer).
I am not sure your measurements are taken from the units that were established on the back wall. Make sure the measurement for the bookshelf and the window are established on the one wall and then each seperately brought forward from the VP through that unit of measure to place them in your picture.
Those kids will muddle any thinking I am trying to draw from you. Blame it on them. It is all their fault. Worth it wouldn't you say?

Jeanette I just revisited your drawing and I saw it with clearer eyes. I want you to look at the width of your door. Using the unit measurement that you set up for the back wall, I think that door was to be 3 units wide. Also take a look at your book shelf. The unit of measure should be taken from the back wall forward. So the one unit should be measured on the back wall and the perspective line brought forward through that point, and that would make your shelves a bit wider. Do you see that?

You all are doing a great job! I really appreciate you being such good sports about my quiz.
Still remember, this is not a down hill race. Make sure you balance out your art education with other projects around the forum. This can drive you nuts if that is all you are focusing on. Think about the drawing that you had in mind and go ahead an begin fresh again, with knowledge you have gained and how you can visualize the space.

[Robin Neudorfer]

Amanda I am not able to click on your attachment and enlarge your picture for easy viewing. However I do notice that you HL is very low. You are either about 8 yrs old or in a wheel chair, which is understandable. I think I asked (my brain is fuzzy so maybe I didn't), for you to place the HL at 5.5 units for an average. Then it looks like maybe you didn't use the measurements along the back wall to bring forward the items that are closer to you. Try again.

Lynn Bookshelf is too low, and Light is not centered over the rug.

MaryR The light is wrong You need to try constructing where the rug is mirrored on the ceiling and then you will be able to place the fixture centered over the rug.