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Skinny
03-19-2006, 07:46 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Mar-2006/23354-Indian_Girl.jpg
Based on a photograph by Ameenullah

I did this in Painter9, with the soft grainy brush and wet brush from the Artist's Oils category. Here are some actual size bits...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Mar-2006/23354-Indian_GirlA.JPG

and...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Mar-2006/23354-Indian_GirlB.JPG

justjean
03-19-2006, 07:57 AM
Kirsten other than the neck looking to thin this is terrific:thumbsup: where is the reference from ?

Skinny
03-19-2006, 08:39 AM
It's from morguefile.com, Jean. :wink2: The neck is way too thin...I was only trying to suggest it...think I should fill it out? Here's the photo...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Mar-2006/23354-Indian_GirlPH.JPG

krispee
03-19-2006, 08:39 AM
coming along very nicely, skinny, the neck doesn`t seem quite the right width and watch the shadows on the nose area and also those shadow colours, if that`s a shadow the hair then it might need to be curved around the nose to indicate the shape of the nose......like parts of the hair but the highlights at the back seem to be too blocked and may need a slight blending, or you could use a larger brush size and lesson the transparency...
other than that very well done....

krispee

Skinny
03-19-2006, 08:44 AM
Thanks, Krispee...good suggestions!

justjean
03-19-2006, 09:25 AM
what if you tried to blend the neck out into the b/g colour making it wider Kirsten

It's from morguefile.com, Jean. :wink2: The neck is way too thin...I was only trying to suggest it...think I should fill it out? photo...

krispee
03-19-2006, 10:01 AM
to be honest we`re not really seeing the front of the neck just the back, that`s what`s throwing us off, just fill out the front especially where her left shoulder is and that should give us a better idea of what`s going on.....

btw i haven`t seen J Coop around here lately.....

krispee

wiscojaydub
03-19-2006, 10:40 AM
:thumbsup: awesome..just awesome!:clap: :clap: :clap: jaydub:wave:

Skinny
03-19-2006, 11:02 AM
Thanks, Jean and Jaydub! Krispee, I'm going to rework that neck...:wink2:

Skinny
03-19-2006, 12:15 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Mar-2006/23354-Indian_Girl2.JPG

Okay, here she is a bit more filled out. Gosh, it's helpful to have lots of eyes to see the flaws!

LadyAlba
03-19-2006, 01:25 PM
Looking good! You might want to hit the right (our left) cheek with the soft blender to give it a little more roundness where it goes into the shadow...make it more gradual...also , maybe it is my monitor but the shadow on the nose and under the eye seems a bit muddy.

krispee
03-19-2006, 01:45 PM
i did mention the shadow before, actually the shadow in the ref is quite distinct so you can afford to be bolder and sharper with the shadow.....but it makes much more sense now that you`ve added in the shoulder, much better......

krispee

Skinny
03-19-2006, 02:03 PM
Thanks Marge and Krispee...your observations will really help me put on the "finishing touches".

beebluefern
03-19-2006, 03:03 PM
Wow, this is fantastic! I really love this portrait...her hair is so well done...all of it is! Beautiful work!:thumbsup:

cpart
03-19-2006, 04:28 PM
Wonderful :D

maria_khurram
03-19-2006, 05:17 PM
WOah, Kristen, this is awesome.:thumbsup:

Chiers
03-19-2006, 06:33 PM
The second is much better Skinny. The first kind of looked like a head on a stick. I think I would work on the nose a bit more. The shadow makes it look like it is dented instead of in shadow. I think the photograph also does that somewhat but this is where the artist can be superior to the camera.

Skinny
03-19-2006, 08:33 PM
Thanks, Marge, Jaydub, Pam and Stu! Good suggestion, Sherry...:rolleyes: What a great group we have here! :)

del m
03-19-2006, 08:59 PM
is the nose off ? or is it me ? looks like one nostrile is a bit short. Still a lovelly piece, she very pretty

Skinny
03-19-2006, 09:33 PM
No, it's not just you, del m. Here's what Sherry said...
"...I think I would work on the nose a bit more. The shadow makes it look like it is dented instead of in shadow. I think the photograph also does that somewhat but this is where the artist can be superior to the camera."

Soooo, there's still work to do! :wink2:

justjean
03-19-2006, 11:10 PM
Her neck looks great Kirsten and I'll be back for the GRAND finish :thumbsup:

fugitive
03-19-2006, 11:22 PM
Shadows are not good on nose, forget the ref, as art is illusian, do away with all the grays and use brown but darkend skintones for shadow, also prints better. The left corner of the mouth, that I looked at, is too hard, use lightly smudge it. A very nice step up for you;-))

Skinny
03-20-2006, 06:34 AM
Many thanks, Greg....good suggestions! :)

TracyN
03-20-2006, 06:51 AM
That's awesome! Great job!

PSPertje
03-20-2006, 09:08 AM
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JCoop
03-20-2006, 10:11 AM
btw i haven`t seen J Coop around here lately.....
krispee

Krispee, I'm here... thanks for looking out for me.:)

Kristen, you've been given so much to think about... so i'll just say, great job all the way around! Once you address a few minor things that were mentioned, you can take a well deserved bow.:)

Skinny
03-20-2006, 11:01 AM
Thanks, Tracy, Pertje and Joel! It's not perfect, but at least I'm developing a somewhat more painterly look...:rolleyes:

TxAggieDarlin
03-20-2006, 12:13 PM
Great JOB!! You fixed that neck and it is wonderful.

Skinny
03-20-2006, 05:17 PM
Thanks, Aggie!

omniartz
03-20-2006, 06:21 PM
Looks great to me! I like the shadows, so hard to do, you've done them very well! Wow! :D

Skinny
03-20-2006, 06:53 PM
Thanks, Kirk! :)

In this version, I tried adding hints of the individual strands of hair to the shadows....not sure I like it, though. ???

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Mar-2006/23354-Indian_Girl.jpg

To me, it just looks "dirty"....maybe I over-softened those strands.

fugitive
03-20-2006, 06:59 PM
Thanks, Kirk! :)

In this version, I tried adding hints of the individual strands of hair to the shadows....not sure I like it, though. ???

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Mar-2006/23354-Indian_Girl.jpg

To me, it just looks "dirty"....maybe I over-softened those strands.
Who said you needed hair strand shadows, uh, uh, sorry, but no one does that, a lot of them only sugest hair lites and other details, look at the big picture,, fix the nose.

jhercilia
03-21-2006, 01:14 AM
Awesome, Skinny. This is one of your best!
Just the nose need some work.

Grant Cross
03-21-2006, 05:34 AM
Its looken good Skinny : ), look at the shapes of the shadows, in your painting there different, are you going for accuracy? you might want to add in the back ground color also, that will add a lot to your piece, just paint what you see : )

Grant Cross

barryt
03-21-2006, 06:42 AM
This is a wonderful painting Kristen, just don't let the shadows degrade the underlying color too much.

Skinny
03-21-2006, 07:26 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Mar-2006/23354-Indian_Girl3.JPG

Thanks, Greg...I do tend to lose the forests for the trees!

Janet...:heart:

Grant...I used the wet brush to add the background color to the shadows....THANKS FOR THE TIP! :thumbsup:

Barry...That's the danger of too much smudging, huh?

Elvira
03-21-2006, 09:39 AM
Skinniy, I'd say you've got it now it looks great!
Edie

justjean
03-21-2006, 10:01 AM
:) :clap: :thumbsup:

Skinny
03-21-2006, 10:02 AM
Thank heavens, Edie! :cool: Why is it so difficult to spot one's own mistakes? (and sometimes to know how to fix them)...:o

waheednasir
03-21-2006, 11:43 AM
hi there skinny....this looks real fine...well done...:). i might just add a bit of bounce light though, but even without that this looks good...:).

:wave:.

krispee
03-21-2006, 12:14 PM
actually i`d have to disagree with fugitive on the hair shadows, i`ve seen and painted hair shadows as sharp as a razor before, but if you`re looking for a softer shadow on your girl(not sure lol, looks like a girl) then you`ve got it.......the nose looks ok as well now and you`ve painted out her shoulder area with as much detail as needs to be to make sense....well done, good work!

krispee

LadyAlba
03-21-2006, 01:55 PM
:thumbsup:

Jon
03-21-2006, 02:32 PM
She's beautiful! Wtg, skinny!
Jon

barryt
03-21-2006, 02:36 PM
Brilliant Kristen, well done

JCoop
03-21-2006, 05:20 PM
Kristen, you've done a marvelous job here... and your willingness to learn, see and grow is so refreshing. IMO, you should move on, and work on the insights that you've gleaned here in your next portrait.

...It's easy sometimes to begin to over-correct if we revisit the same piece too many times. You'll gain the perspective and the fresh eyes you need by moving on to your next project.:)

Skinny
03-21-2006, 05:48 PM
Thanks all for your willingness to stay with me until I got this right! :cat: Waheed, what's "bounce light"?

fugitive
03-21-2006, 05:53 PM
I was gonna post my redo of yours, but the puter locked up as I was installing my image, so I changed my mind, except that I did mail one last nite. You do like Joel said.

Skinny
03-21-2006, 06:13 PM
Thanks, Greg! I can'y wait to see your redo...:heart:

fugitive
03-21-2006, 06:28 PM
You may not get it, as it's been many hrs

Skinny
03-21-2006, 07:56 PM
Zoot! My email has been arriving by burro...:mad:

digistyle
03-21-2006, 08:03 PM
I'm glad you stuck with this. It turned out really well. It's calling out for a background, though!

digistyle

Grant Cross
03-21-2006, 08:44 PM
Hey Skinny I did a little paint over on your painting I hope you don't mind? but if you add in the back ground colors and textures I think it will add a lot to your piece : ), I also roughly painted in the shape of the shadow on her shoulder and some of the white shapes in her hair and stuff heh, but by adding in those shapes your piece will look more like the photo : ) you might want to also add in the strands of her hair that go over her nose and stuff, just paint what you see ; )

paint over on the left photo on the right heeh

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Mar-2006/78865-repaint_C.jpg


Grant Cross

jhercilia
03-22-2006, 03:27 PM
I would get rid of the shadow on top of her nose. It is not necessary because the hair that is casting that shadow wasn't included in the painting. So there is no justification for that cast shadow there since there is nothing casting it.

waheednasir
03-23-2006, 08:06 AM
skinny wrote:
Waheed, what's "bounce light"?

hi skinny, this looks fine...good work...:).

introducing bounce light is not a necessity in some situations, its only if u like to and if it is required. though at times is it important and crucial to have it according to the situation/condition of the scene.
bounce light comes from the surrounding, reflected from other objects. here in your painting, i would have it on her hair (at our right side) and on the back of her neck...:).

:wave:.

fugitive
03-23-2006, 08:37 AM
Bet you never got the pic in Mexico, what a country. Anyway, Re; light, bounced or reflected lite. Did you know, that because of the wonderous proclivites of lite, there's even reflected lite in shadows, hope I'm using the right terms, mind tends to phase in and out. You can have a shaded area, say under a persons chin, neck, and if you look you can see a reflection from a shirt or scarf. Even jewelery can reflect onto skin. It's also colored by the clotheling. I now look at films diff, and am always looking for something new, or something, I'd like to capture on my puter. Enough blab for now.