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Nickel
01-28-2006, 05:31 PM
Lets give everyone a big round of applause for four weeks of classical art journeys!!!!:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

I canít believe how fleeting the weeks are as we begin week five. So far we have seen a beneficial bounty of knowledge and goodwill shared by our many talented, daring explorers! If you havenít joined us so far, you are more than welcome to come along! We would love to meet you! The sails are hoisted, straining, puffed out from the tonic breeze. Her sweet songs, the sailorsí love, the sea, she calls our name. It is time to go; week #5 starts now.

Nickel, Rose, and Barb :wave:

mauricar
01-28-2006, 05:57 PM
Since it starts now I will be the first.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Jan-2006/71456-wooden_basket.jpg
A study of "A Wooden basket of Calawba Grapes" - by William Michael Harnett. My rendition is in colored pencil on bristol vellum. Thanks for looking.

AriadneArts
01-28-2006, 07:17 PM
Just lovely, Midge. Another perfect basket. Very nicely done.

AriadneArts
01-28-2006, 11:39 PM
Here is my study for Week #5--Rembrandt's 'Woman in North Holland Costume.'

Original:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Jan-2006/6306-Woman_in_N,Holland_Costume-Rembrandt_rz.jpg

My Study:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Jan-2006/6306-Woman_in_N_Hoilland_Costume_rz.jpg

This was great fun to do, so I'm planning on doing more drawings from Rembrandt.

mauricar
01-29-2006, 12:53 AM
Aw! I like this. You did well Eileen. I have a hard time finding a picture that is good enough quality to see detail. Perhaps it is just that my eyes are not that good.

tyree
01-29-2006, 10:00 AM
midge,,beautiful colour and composition, well done!!! eileen, great pencil study , very accurate..hats off to you!!!! tyree:clap: :wave:

tyree
01-29-2006, 10:06 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Jan-2006/65063-1=29.jpg graphite on strathmore bristol vellum, 8x8...Judity Leyster 1635, self portrait...I believe I would have titled this okay, you try painting in this outfit..:evil: tyree

Chloe_1
01-29-2006, 10:44 AM
Midge ,This reminds me of nice warm summer afternoon..eating fresh fruits. Nicely rendered~
AriadneArts ,Nice pencil sketch!!!
Tyree, Nice rendition~ Yes, wasn't that quite the style in those days. :-)))

AriadneArts
01-29-2006, 11:55 AM
Thanks so much, Midge, Tyree and Chloe.

Tyree, I'd never heard of this painter. Wasn't she quite the woman in those days? I wonder if there were more like her whom we've not heard of....

Very nice study. And thanks for the intro to this artist.

Nickel
01-29-2006, 11:57 AM
Oh sweet! You girls are rocking good!!!!

Midge I just love how you have an eye for perspective! Your very good at it!
Nice to see a basket this week too!

Eileen, Your Rembrandt is lovely! You have a great eye for detail too!

You all do and it amazes me, makes me work so much harder to show what I see!!! It is really interesting to see everyones work.

Hi Tyree! Great Job and you just crack me up laughing! Yeah, they should make me wear a collar like that when I eat too! :D Great Job!!!

Hi Chloe, what are you working on? I am really itching to do a larger size painting. I feel better now after my two week cold :rolleyes: Still gloomy outside, but I really want to do something big and beautiful. I'll invite you all to join me! :D Nickel

mauricar
01-29-2006, 01:37 PM
Tyree- when I was a little girl my dad put a toilet paper roll on my arm to keep me from biting my fingernails. I think your artist's father got a little carried away (lol). I almost did that one also for the classical MOM. What a hoot. You did a good job.

PushingPixels
01-30-2006, 12:22 AM
tyree, I remember seeing this painting last week when I was browsing for a subject. VERY GOOD likeness.
Adriadne as usual a supurb job. You are so accurate, I am envious, can't you see I'm green :)
Lovely mauricar, lovely textures and lovely perspective. Looks like another banner week so far!

Chloe_1
01-30-2006, 12:26 AM
Well nickel I went gung ho..with 3 different artists. The first one is an inspiration from italian painter Filippino Lippi (1457-1504), called the two angels. Well I ended up with The Two sisters~colored pencil~ . All are ACEO'S 2.5x3.5 http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Jan-2006/68155-IMG_0022.JPG

The second one is an inspiration by Carlo Dolci (1616-1686) called The Poet.. I decided to call him The Poet~ Wisdom Man . This was done in black and terracotta indian ink.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Jan-2006/68155-IMG_0046.JPG

The last one is an inspiration by artist Aristide Maillol .. French Art Nouveau/Nabis Movement (1861-1944) Woman with a Parasol ~Colored Pencil and gouache. Added a boat in the first distant and bird.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Jan-2006/68155-IMG_0110.JPG :wave: :wave:

Chloe_1
01-30-2006, 05:43 PM
The last one is an inspiration by artist Aristide Maillol .. French Art Nouveau/Nabis Movement (1861-1944) Woman with a Parasol ~Colored Pencil and gouache. Added a boat in the first distant and bird.
I've taken the picture in daylight. The other one I posted is not near to the colors as this one. When you post in the gallery please post this one. Tks.:wave:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Jan-2006/68155-IMG_0113.JPG

PushingPixels
01-30-2006, 10:07 PM
This week I selected a work from "the Renaissance Man" himself Leonardo. Everyone thinks of Mona Lisa but this is my personal favorite by him.

http://www.wisdomportal.com/Stanford/LadyWithAnErmine.html

Leonardo composed his paintings using geometric proportions, and mathematical principles discovered by the ancient Greeks; this was typical of Renaissance painters. In this painting the pyramid is the invisible base upon which he built. Particularly interesting about the design of this painting is the lack of straight lines. It is composed almost entirely of curves which carry the eye from the woman's head, down to the right, across the ermine and then back up the other sleeve. The only almost straight lines to be seen are the band on her head and the square-cut neckline on her dress.

Leonardo (1452-1519) painted this portrait while in Milan working for Duke Ludovico Sforza one of the wealthiest and most powerful princes of Renaissance Italy. Cecilia Gallerani is the sitter, a lady-in-waiting who became the duke's mistress in 1489. The ermine she holds, a weasel in Greek is galee, an obvious play on "Gallerani", Cecilia's family name. The ermine also refers directly to Duke Ludovico himself. He received the insignia of the chivalric Order of the Ermine from the King of Naples in 1488. So Leonardo rightfully painted her holding an Ermine.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Jan-2006/44004-GirlwithErmineFinal.jpg

tyree
01-30-2006, 11:20 PM
chloe, great work, but, my favorite is the POET..his striking pose, the red and black ink you chose, and great expression...pushingpixels..a wonderful rendition, great likeness... very very well done!! can you imagine a painting of yourself going thru the ages..holding a ermine...:eek: ...tyree

obxladybear
01-31-2006, 11:05 AM
Actually getting here early this week...while waiting for one of my paintings to dry a little, I figured I'd get a jump on it....

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Jan-2006/30099-week-5.JPG

I am trying each week with these pieces to use a different medium to see which ones I like to work with.....this week was my first pastel....have to say...not quite my thing....kindof messy...I will give it another try, though, in a few weeks to see if I can do it without making such a mess....unfortunately, with this one, I think I may have added 10 years to her face...she looks more mature in my version...maybe I should become one of those artist that can show what a person will look like in the future...:D

PushingPixels
01-31-2006, 10:41 PM
tyree... looks more like a weesel or a ferit. I think they can be quite vicous so I bet Leonardo painted it in after the sitting. No way I'm holding one of those.

xxladybear this is lovely! You must try the Wallis pastel papers they will actually send you a free sample at their web site. At first I did not care for pastel but this paper just sucks up the chalk and it spreads like butter on bread (well ok maybe powdered sugar). They should be listed in partners here on wetcanvas. How do you draw so small?

One of the reasons I like the computer is that I can zoom into the image as much as I want and I can erase as much as I want.

Chloe - my fav is woman with a parasol... I'm a sucker for the clothes of different time periods. I like the blue one best. Now I must look up your artist I've never met this one!

Chloe_1
02-01-2006, 12:24 AM
tks Tyree and PushingPixels... Acturally the blue one is the right one. The first pic of the lady with Parasol..was taken in nite light, and it isn't the right colors.;-))

Nickel
02-01-2006, 12:50 AM
Chloe, yes you did go gung ho! Good Job, very inspiring to see all your work! Noted which Woman with Parasol you want in the gallery. I like them both to be honest! Youíve really some good eye and mind with your artistic talent!!!

Barbara thanks for sharing the lesson principles Da Vinci used from the Greeks. Very interesting notes on curves and lines with your Leonardo! Is this pastel? You are multi-talented. You rendered the veil nicely! What color did you use for the background? Overall very very nice rendition!

Charlene, great job! And you are funny too! I have a hard time with ages myself. Making someone young enough is hard but I think you did a good at making her look approximately the same age. Very nice, and congrats on getting here early!!! I am way behind this week :eek: Have fun with all the choices of art materials.

:wave:

Nickel
02-01-2006, 07:02 PM
Hey you are all invited to come paint a classical Valentine with me :D

Paint a classical Valentine with us here: http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=323973

:wave: Nickel

Fish<><
02-01-2006, 11:04 PM
Wow! I've gotta get in here more often. I can't keep up!!! LOL Greatwork everyone. I'm pounding away at a Rembrandt this week in honor of the fact that I just heard there is going to be an exhibit of his work at the Cincinnati Art Museum soon. Hope to make it down there when it opens.

I'll try to keep up with you guys now.... maybe... if I can... :)

PushingPixels
02-01-2006, 11:39 PM
Barbara Is this pastel? You are multi-talented. You rendered the veil nicely! What color did you use for the background? Overall very very nice rendition!
:wave:


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Feb-2006/44004-pallete.jpg

I reverted to computer art again this week. I use photoshop 7.0 but other programs have similar tools (corel painter, Gimp to name a few,)
Above is the pallete I started the background with - a medium hunter green and dark red brown. I then used a fairly smooth brush and the finger painting tool and blended them together. I chose the green as an undercolor to compliment the burgandy gown.

I'm glad you liked it-- thanks for the kind compliment. :)

Nickel
02-02-2006, 06:53 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Feb-2006/44004-pallete.jpg

I reverted to computer art again this week. I use photoshop 7.0 but other programs have similar tools (corel painter, Gimp to name a few,)
Above is the pallete I started the background with - a medium hunter green and dark red brown. I then used a fairly smooth brush and the finger painting tool and blended them together. I chose the green as an undercolor to compliment the burgandy gown.

I'm glad you liked it-- thanks for the kind compliment. :)

Thanks Barbara, I would not have known. That is a cool way to create a dark background. Those colors work well! :wave:

Nickel
02-02-2006, 09:03 AM
I posted this in the classical studio thread but wanted to make sure you all saw this too!

A must see list:

ARC has listed 225 out of over 5,000 of the top names in all of art history viewed on their site:

http://www.artrenewal.org/articles/2005/Reasons/museum1.asp

rhysyllanfair
02-02-2006, 02:51 PM
Here's Week #5 in my series of 5"x7" o/c portraits. It's my version of Odilon Redon's 'Closed Eyes'. You can view the original here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image%3ARedon.yeux-clos.jpg

I'm far from content with either the painting or my photograph which seems to draw out the blues more than in the painting, but I can't improve on either. The subtlety of Redon's colors and brushstrokes is really humbling. Reproductions of his painting have a quality of pastel about them IMO, which I find very hard to duplicate. I worked with Liquin for the first time to speed up the drying time, but I wasn't as happy with it as the linseed oil I have been using. I'm going to try it some more to see if it grows on me.

Hope this fits the category of classical. Redon is hard to categorize - s Symbolist or just one of a kind. I love a lot of his works.

Robert

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Feb-2006/49654-Redon.JPG

Fish<><
02-02-2006, 08:04 PM
Here's mine this week. I never realized that life and divorces and the likes could get so messy until I started reading a timeline of Rembrandt's life (click HERE (http://www.royalacademy.org.uk/?lid=130) if you'd like to see it) I am looking forward to seeing an exhibit of his work starting later this month! My ref can be viewed here (http://www.fitzmuseum.cam.ac.uk/opac/catalogue_detail.php?&priref=81244&_function_=xslt&_limit_=10), but here's what I did...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Feb-2006/54332-Rembrandt_wk5.jpg
Christ at Emmaus, 1634, Pen & Ink, approx 8 x 10.

I have been staying away from anything that can't scan cause my camera doesn't want to cooperate :)

Fish<><
02-02-2006, 08:06 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Feb-2006/49654-Redon.JPG

Wow Robert! Beautiful work and great likeness of the original!:clap:

tyree
02-03-2006, 07:37 PM
robert,, its a beautiful piece..very well done, love the mood to it...keith..great great pencil work, very accurate!!! tyree:wave: :clap:

Chloe_1
02-03-2006, 07:41 PM
Wonderful sketch..Fish;-))
Nice rendition rhysyllanfair;-))

PushingPixels
02-03-2006, 08:28 PM
I posted this in the classical studio thread but wanted to make sure you all saw this too!

A must see list:

ARC has listed 225 out of over 5,000 of the top names in all of art history viewed on their site:

http://www.artrenewal.org/articles/2005/Reasons/museum1.asp
WONDERFULL Site Nickel THANKS

PushingPixels
02-03-2006, 08:36 PM
Here's mine this week. I never realized that life and divorces and the likes could get so messy until I started reading a timeline of Rembrandt's life
Interesting reading Fish... what a hard life it would make an excellent movie I think.

Fish<><
02-03-2006, 09:51 PM
That's true Pixel! I hadn't thought of that but it sounds kind of like the daytime soaps. :)

Fish<><
02-03-2006, 09:58 PM
WONDERFULL Site Nickel THANKS

I'll second that! Great site. I'll be over there a while. :wave:

Nickel, don't leave me again!:D

rosebard
02-04-2006, 08:08 AM
Hi guys!! How is the journey?? I had a so busy week preparing myself for something I have to. But anyway, couldnt believe today is Saturday already!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: Time is indeed flying. From this week on I will switch back to oils at least for while, because I came across a landscaper that really felt in love with. His Style, colors, brushstrokes... I love everything I see on his work. He is known as a naturalist painter, Daniel Ridgway Knight. He studied under a french academic classical painter, Alexandre Cabanel. Charles Cleyre, a swiss academic classical painter. Also, Jean-Louis Ernest Meissonier, French Romantic painter. And also two impressionist: Sysley and Renoir. And definetely not hard to see the influence of each of them through his work.

http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/databa...aid=138&page=8

Does anyone know about any info from this artist or naturalism, please let me know. :)

Now, let me catch up with you guys!!

Midge another very nice basket. I came across this artist this week, his realism is impressive. Lovely perspective and deepth on your cp drawing. If you add more layers you will get the realism of Harnet for sure. :)

Eileen very nice drawing after Rembradt. Looking forward to see more. Well done!! :)

Tyree, I wonder how you get those really black shades with graphite. Your tones are just great. Yeah, I can see the point. I have being thinking about my artist selfportrait and about the clothes to use for it. I am not sure how come I could dress up for it. I guess that is that lady's case. LOLOL :)

Chloe, I enjoy specially your use of colors. They are always so soft and calm. How do you like using ink? I have never tried to use it for drawings. Just once really to go through over my rose painting. It seems like an interesting media for drawings. :)

Barb, lovely work on DaVinci lady. Really great likeness and superb digit rendition. I get amazed with Digital painters. YOu really good on it too. :)

Charlene, the fresh tones has soft colors. You did pretty well. That happens to all of us from time to time. Love the features on yours, it has that sweet childish look. :)

Robert great job on capture the essence of this painting. Taking pics to post is my worse nightmare, lololo, so you definetely not alone. At first I didnt like liquin and to be honest I dont use it much, just when wanna speed things up really. But for that Just few drops on the pile of paint I want to use. When glazing I would go for adding a bit more. Anyway, enjoying seeing your approach. :)

Keith another great drawing. You really good with the pen and ink. :)

I am going to post later a pre drawing of my first landscape from Daniel R. Knight. So next week journey I have the painting ready to post by Saturday as I intend to use small stretched canvas, should be ok. I will tone the canvas, apply a transparent underpainting in brownish, and then blok in colors, then glazes and opaque. I will probably use liquin so it should be ok. :)

See you later!! :)

Nehalenia
02-04-2006, 05:10 PM
Hello everybody!:wave:

Due to a bout of 'flu I haven't been abe to keep up with this thread, but I still wanted to show what I had done before the fluebug got me. Not finished yet and in very early stages, self portrait of Flemish painter Michael Sweerts (1618-1664) (date of the painting not yet determined, probably somewhere between 1656 -1660), Northern Dutch/Flemish Baroque (VERY Baroque, I might add). As usual: PSP 9 and Wacom (art media pencil, original resolution is huge, because I want to use this as a cartoon for an oilpainting :) ).

Will read the rest of the thread now as I've seen great work again. :) :clap:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Feb-2006/67591-michaelsweerts.jpg

Nehalenia
02-04-2006, 05:52 PM
Midge: Very good perspective and color. I especially like the cheery brightness of the color in your drawings.

Eileen: I had to look twice a moment. You've captured the values extremely well as well as the looseness of line. I've seenthe costumes often. Your drawing is very convincing, I recgnize it as a woman of North Holland. :)

Tyree: You painted my favorite "Haarlem" paintress!! I feel honoured. And your comment made me lol, same thing I thought when I saw it first. She's showing off, for sure!

Chloe: Wow, 4 paintings! I can't make up my mind, I like them all!

PushingPixels: This is well executed, the renaissance style is well captured.

Charlene: Well done! Bouguereau is a very difficult painter to copy, but your rendition is lovely.

Robert: As such, maybe Redon can't be classified as a classical painter, but then again, neither can Hieronymous Bosch who was very much a symbolist with a technique that was radically different (if not outrageous) for his time. In art, the dividing lines are never sharp and clear-cut. To me, the alienation of Redon is there in your rendition, but your judgement is more important than mine.

Keith: For me, understanding a painters' life is important. Rembrandt's life was "messy" but far from unusual for that time. I'm fascinated how in the midst of all this, the lowlands (including the war and famine ravaged Flanders/Southern Netherlands) could still be a place where artists could develop to incredible heigths of artist expression.
My favorite is Titus in a Monks' Robe. I think you may understand why when you read Rembrandts' biography.
Thanks for honouring the great master of Amsterdam. An outstanding job on copying the shading!

Margie

rosebard
02-04-2006, 05:55 PM
Margie sorry to hear about the flu. That is pretty cool start of Sweerts portrait. I can wait for you to get a cam somehow and start showing your oil paintings. :)

Sorry guys, I fell to come up with my landscape this week. :( I have started a sketch of the landscape I will start painting tomorrow. But didnt really got inspired to draw today, so I left it to work on the orchid underpainting from the valentine thread. I would rather start on the landcape directly on canvas, it works best this way for me anyway. It will be pretty small size though.

:) So see you all on the new thread that starts tomorrow!!!!

Nickel
02-04-2006, 08:33 PM
Robert, I think you did a great job with the modeling. She looks very much like the original. Good rendition! Another option you may want to try if you can find it and donít have a problem with walnut oil in particular is the M. Graham Walnut Alkyd Medium, it is just alkyd resin and walnut oil. I do not notice a smell either other than just oil. It dries to a gloss.

Keith, you are working hard with this Rembrandt. You have done a very nice pen and ink drawing! I enjoyed seeing it! Those are really difficult to do and you have done a great job!!! I like how you did the dog too!!!

Glad you liked viewing the ARC site Barbara and Keith, they have lots of valuable information and large images of many great painters.

Keith, grab your hat for week 6. You are going to need it!

Hi Margie, glad you got started and are feeling better! That flu bug is a rotten bug! I will look forward to seeing your Sweerts painting soon! Nice start on your cartoon!

Rose, I understand! But still I am sad and will wait patience for the landscape.


All you folks that are missing, you are missed :wave: Nickel

Nickel
02-04-2006, 08:41 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Feb-2006/39040-Image010.jpg

Elisabetta Sirani

3.5x4"

#2 pencil, vine charcoal, color pencils on sketch paper

This is a crop of her self portrait.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Feb-2006/39040-39040-sirani_1638-65.jpg

"Elisabetta Sirani was born in Bologna and was primarily a painter of religious and historical themes. Her father Giovanni Andrea Sirani was a painter and Elisabetta demonstrated early in her girlhood that she was gifted not only with artistic talents but those in music and poetry. By the age of seventeen she is reputed to have produced over a 190 pieces of art. Sirani died at the age of twenty-seven under mysterious circumstances and a posthumous trial failed to reveal whether there were grounds for the accusation put forth by her father that she had been poisoned."

rosebard
02-04-2006, 08:44 PM
Rose, I understand! But still I am sad and will wait patience for the landscape.


Ok I make a deal. I will work on two as they are pretty small for landscapes tomorrow, so I dont get behind again. :D Maybe three, four.. lololol, Dont worry I will have something by this week on as the landscapes going to be part of a personal project aswell. :) :) :) ;)

Nickel we crossposted. What a sad story!! Loved the way you applyed the soft colors there. Nice sketch!! :)

rhysyllanfair
02-04-2006, 09:39 PM
Thanks for your comments, Margie. I don't know nearly enough about Redon's life and thought, and your views are as valid, or more, than mine. He may have been alienated, as your comment suggests; one the other hand, as I view his paintings, I see him reaching into a spiritual world that we all might share if we were less conventional in our way of viewing life - and painting in a way that is trying to open us to that world. When I look at some of his flowers and horses - and this face - I feel like I am entering into a new way of seeing, like the blinders have been removed. Anyway . . .

Nickel, I'm going to try the walnut alkyd medium. Thanks for the suggestion. I love the smell of walnut anyway, so what's the danger.

Robert

tyree
02-04-2006, 10:13 PM
nehalenia..wonderful line drawing, love this painting!!! nickel...delightful!!! such a sad ending for the young woman...tyree:wave: :clap:

Nickel
02-04-2006, 10:28 PM
Thanks Rose, don't work too hard tomorrow! :)

Robert, hope you will like the medium, it is maybe more to your liking if you just normally like oil. Good luck on the hunt to buy it! I bought mine at a college bookstore that sells paint supplies. I looked online but didn't see anyplace right off-hand that sold it. These three places did not list this medium.(Dicks nor CheapJoes or Jerry's) :confused:

Thanks Susan! :wave:

PushingPixels
02-04-2006, 11:22 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Feb-2006/39040-Image010.jpg

Elisabetta Sirani

3.5x4"

#2 pencil, vine charcoal, color pencils on sketch paper

This is a crop of her self portrait.

"
excellent rendition Nickel AND I just LOVE a good mystery don't you! Do you thing a jealous admirer did it? I have an overactive imagination did I tell you that? LOL

PushingPixels
02-04-2006, 11:37 PM
I view his paintings, I see him reaching into a spiritual world that we all might share if we were less conventional in our way of viewing life - and painting in a way that is trying to open us to that world. When I look at some of his flowers and horses - and this face - I feel like I am entering into a new way of seeing, like the blinders have been removed.
Robert
Robert thanks for sharing this facinating artist - I found a link that has a number of his works... http://www.thinker.org/index.asp
they are quite unique.
In some way he reminds me of Marc Chagall the essence of a dreamlike state of mind so to speak.

PushingPixels
02-04-2006, 11:43 PM
Ok I make a deal. I will work on two as they are pretty small for landscapes tomorrow, so I dont get behind again.

Rose do not worry your mind - we all understand what it is like to be under the gun so to speak.
Nehalenia - I'm so sorry you have been sick (get better soon!) very nice study You've got going there :) :)

I normally have my next project lined up by now but I'm lax today. Went to the Santa Barbara Film Festival today instead. Saw 4 foreign shorts (all exellent). I'll get on track tomorrow.
barb

Nehalenia
02-05-2006, 08:37 AM
He may have been alienated, as your comment suggests;
Robert

Oops! I used a wrong word, I think. :o I literally translated a word from Dutch that means something like "dreamlike"/from another world, much as you describe. :)

Margie